Who's the Best Composer of All Time!?
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This battle would look very different if they were pianists instead of violinists
Yess lol
Yes I agree, especially for chopin! But tbh I would still pick Bach as my number 1 haha
it's so true.
I got so triggered when they chose Tchaikovsky over Liszt. Tchaikovsky is so overrated and the only piece which could match Liszt is his 6th symphony
Yess lol i am so offended by their choices
If there were cellists doing this Bach would win automatically. Idea: maybe you guys can get a bunch of other musician friends to serve as the judges, and you each take turns trying to convince them who's better.
Lmao yes, it was easily Bach for me no matter who came up, except Beethoven
@@GhostGamer123Ghost same
If it were pianists, Chopin would probably win (orchestration being a category didn’t seem fair)
444th like lets go
@@astroneural yep, Chopin for me.
I love how they started so formal, dividing compositional and overall skill to individuals, and halfway through they were tired of it.
Your on point description reminds me of their bubble tea review.
TSV: Spends 80% of video on Bach vs. Debussy.
Also TSV: Spends 1 second on Bach vs. Mozart.
Spends 0.1 seconds on Liszt vs Tchaikovsky
@@zzedixx IKR!
Reasonably so. Bach was a better composer, composed a wider range of pieces in terms of instrumentation and style, and had a greater impact on music than Mozart did. I still love Mozart's music, but Bach was better.
@@WorldifySanity yeah, but Don Giovanni tho
@@zzedixx Spends 0.00000000000001 seconds on Brahms vs Haydn
We forgot who the real best composer is
Brett Yang.
Notable pieces:
Relaxing chill beats Lo-Fi to study
Random horror movie piece
I don't even know
The best composer is the friends we made along the way
Can’t forget Jordon He
Notable pieces:
CABBAGE
CAFE
BBT
Edit:Fantasia✨❤️
Truth bomb!
Don't forget "I'm Giving Up"
They made it sounds like a boxing match between composers LOL
Who would win the boxing match though?
@@giftenjoyer3664 rachmaninoff
@@se_mesta Carlo Gesualdo. Already killed 2 ppl.
i guess they were inspired by the creator clash hosted by idubbbz
I would pay to see that
I loved everything about this video but the casual dismissal of Rach and Chopin struck deep into my pianist's heart lol
Chopin and Rach are great for Friday night's when you're throwing a small party.
But for the bigger stages we need something abit more robust.
@@Lasse3 literally the most popular competition is the Chopin competitions
@@itskxmi i just wrote a comment, I hardly know these composers 🤣
@@Lasse3 If Rach's Symphony No. 2 and his magnum opus Symphonic Dances aren't "robust" then I don't know what is.
@@Lasse3 if you don’t know what you’re even talking about then you should refrain from making such comments. Some people are gonna attack you like you never knew before
„Bach composed for God. Mozart for the World. And Beethoven for freedom.“
-some famous person who I can’t remember
But Mozart wrote for royalty, not for the world.
Chopin. and different quote tho.
That's why Bach's music is godlike.
@@WorldifySanity 'Die Zauberflöte' was composed for the wider public.
0:00 Wagner ride of the valkyries
0:28 Dvorak new world symphony 4th mvt
0:42 Bach Toccata and fugue
0:50 and 1:17 Debussy La Mer 1st mvt
2:30 Debussy Clair de lune
2:49 Bach air on the G string
3:05 Mozart symphony No.25
3:18 Mozart queen of the night aria
3:23 Chopin etude op.25 no.6
3:47 Mozart violin concerto no.3
4:05 Chopin ballade no.1
4:11 Mozart eine kleine nachtmusik
4:32 Mozart symphony No.41
4:51 Chopin etude op.10 no.4
4:59 Mozart symphony No.25
5:08 Paganini la campanella
5:18 Vivaldi summer
5:33 Vivaldi spring
5:36 (Brett’s singing) Paganini violin concerto no.1
5:42 Vivaldi autumn
6:14 Vivaldi winter
6:23 Shostakovich symphony no.5
6:38 rachmaninoff prelude op 23 no 5
6:50 Shostakovich 8th string quartet
7:35 Shostakovich symphony no.4 finale
7:46 Beethoven symphony No.5 1st mvt
7:59 Beethoven symphony no.9 (ode to joy)
8:35 Beethoven symphony no.6 1st mvt
8:50 Beethoven symphony no.4 finale
9:03 Schubert unfinished symphony
9:43 Brahms tragic overture
9:49 Tchaikovsky swan lake
9:56 Dvorak new world symphony 4th mvt
10:04 Bach prelude from cello suite no.1
10:15 Bach jesu joy of man's desiring
10:27 Shostakovich symphony no.11 2nd mvt
10:35 Beethoven symphony no.9 2nd mvt
11:09 Brahms violin concerto 1st mvt
11:40 Bach harpsichord concerto No.7 in g minor, BWV 1058 III.Allegro
11:47 Beethoven symphony no.8 finale
12:18 Bach double
do you know what 0:28 is? it's on the tip of my tongue 😭
@@lov5293 dvorak new world symphony
@@Arcenmh7718 thank you!!
@@lov5293 Its the 3rd mivement
@@mr.m4524 it’s the 4th not 3rd🤔
10:46 Fun fact: Tchaikovsky once disliked Brahms as he thought his music was too formal and didn't have enough expression of emotion. However, after meeting Brahms in person and drank with him, he changed his opinion on his personality and thought he was a nice person, but remained disapproved on his music.
I always thought Brahms of someone who obviously wanted to sound like Beethoven but fell well short.
Brahms' music always feels stern to me. At times it does feel a bit formal. But that doesn't take away from what the music has to offer.
Man I can't even imagine what it would be like them seeingmost of the modern mainstream songs now lol
@@dudeabides69 then you don't know what Brahms is really like. I imagine you might get that impression from listening to Brahms' first symphony, which was his homage to Beethoven. But his own lyrical language is quite different, and very profound in a non-Beethoven-like way. I particularly enjoy his 3rd symphony and his double concerto for violin and cello. Also German Requiem is very epic.
@@reepicheepsfriend I'm not sure who knows what Brahms is really like. I just know I don't care for him. I sense a great deal of desperation and insincerity in his music. It's a mess as far as I can tell. If you like him that's great.
Here is the money I saved from not drinking bubble tea today lol This is for my tuition fee here at Twoset Academy! Thank you Prof Chen and Prof Yang, for lecturing me about these awesome composers and for lowering my consumption of bubble tea (too much sugar lah lol) And of course, for pushing me to practice!
nice!!!
:)
The fact that im drinking bubble tea when i saw this comment
PS: some boba tea places offer different options for sugar (30% sugar, no sugar, 100% sugar, etc)
@@justsomethingiguess lol true
Shostakovich is my fave not only for the sheer drama but also because of the pettiness of this man, not releasing his 10th Symphony after the death of Stalin (albeit, it is said that he wrote it after Stalin’s death). He stood against Stalin and was denounced twice by the regime. I can feel the despair in this man. Breathtaking.
ur my fave too
@@DmitriShostakovichDSCH lol sir 😅💜
Shit music though... like Schonberg... and Britten...
*THIS fantasy about Shostakovich opposing/being oppressed by Stalin was invented in the Cold War era as a propaganda tool against the USSR.*
In reality, the USSR/Stalin has provided free education, free concert halls, free orchestras, free radio waves for Shostakovich to use, paid him good wages and fees, etc. Yes, he was critiqued in the press a couple of times, but there was nothing to it. Just ask Mahler who was critiqued and suppressed endlessly, and yet no one is inventing BS about him confronting Western regimes. Shostakovich, just as Prokofiev, Khachaturyan and many others had many chances to leave the USSR, but always chose to stay, they felt the support of the government and the people, despite what “dissidents” put in their mouths for the sake of their anti-Soviet StateDept propaganda.
This is my favourite type of TwoSet content. Nerding about classical music and going in depth about why they rate things a certain way! It's just a pity this video is so short!
Going in depth = "Don't actually like carnival of the animals" 😂
@@sunsunsunh Yeah, I know, not for every match. I definitely wish they'd done it even more. But this is much more in depth than some of their earlier stuff when they'd rank things without explanation.
I would have liked a two parted series of this format, going more in the detail as they did in the beginning.
Nerding at this level validates my existence.
TwoSet: This video is getting long
Us: Have you MET us!?
Beethoven himself said it best: "Nicht Bach, sondern Meer sollte er heißen."
"Bach" is also the german word for a small river, so this roughly translates to "He shouldn't be called Stream, but Sea."
Brook more than stream.
@@henrykaspar3634 Sei zuversichtlicher! Du hast Recht.
i did say that
@@ludwigvanbeethoven4111 yessir my guy
OMG when is your next album coming out?
Chopin: Invents the mirror reprise in the Ballades, arguably the most critically acclaimed variation on sonata form in history
Eddy: "I'm not that familiar with Chopin's form"
I agree. I think Chopin should've gotten that point, except they're violinists so they probably didn't know.
I mean, he didn't really invent it. Mozart's Piano Sonata no. 9 in D major first movement has a reversed recapitulation and was written way before Chopin's Ballades. And I'm sure it exists in Haydn too.
Chopin actually WORSHIPPED Bach.
I wouldn't have minded a 30 minute video 😅 The analysis you were doing at the beginning was fine and informative, I think you could have continued, especially for the finale! But it was a great video, as usual!
My pianist bias really showing😅 Justice for Chopin, Rachmaninoff and Liszt!
Absolutely! Especially Rachmaninov considering the colours in his composition.
Yooo amen… they didn’t even consider Liszt to make it to the next round 😢
Nah Liszt was better than rach and Chopin
The shouldn’t rank Liszt since they are violinists in the first place
Down with Tchaikovsky!! Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this
Well, after all he's a "master of polyphony, structure and tonality". You can even say he's "in a different league, you can't even touch him".
I wonder, what would "Mozart vs Chopin" diss track would sound like...
Chopin: *sick dis*
Mozart: hahahahahahahahah kiss my arse
That line (polyphony, structure, and tonality) is my favourite in their video.
Wait till you hear of Scriabin
@@pierrelawson941 actually Scriabin was influenced by Chopin. That's why they had a similarities
@@pierrelawson941 scriabin had a chopin body pillow (he was down bad for the man's music)
4:58 of course ,violinists.
7:38 of course ,violinists.
9:50 of course ,violinists. (Kinda agree though)
I know they’re violinists, but if Paganini is given a fair chance against Vivaldi, then Liszt deserves a fair chance against Tchaikovsky.
@@ShaunakDesaiPiano But Paganini only got one vote, and that was it's fun to watch live performers mastering his difficult pieces. -- But I agree. He doesn't belong here. And in my opinion, neither does Tchaikovsky. Like comparing Pergolesi/Wagner/Rossini with Puccini.
If you don't think mozart is a better composer than chopin ur tripping balls bro
If I'm gonna have to die on this hill alone then I will LMAO, Liszt is a really great composer and was really impactful on music. He was also reallt versatile and was indeed able to not only write for piano but also for orchestra (symphonic poems and some symphonies)
A push for the the piano gang here: can we just appreciate how the vast majority of the most well-known composers in classical music were pianists and/or significant composers for the piano (yes, keyboard for baroque composers?
Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Liszt, Mozart, Chopin, Prokofiev, Rachmaninov, Shostakovich, Tchaikovsky, Schubert, Schumann, Schönberg, Stravinsky, Mendelssohn, …
Yep. Keyboard rules. It's probably a better tool for composing, I don't know. With piano you can have simultaneously melody, harmony, rhythm/percussion (using dynamics). Its kind a mini-orchestra, someone said.
@@chmendez yeah for sure - apparently when composing orchestral pieces, often composers would first write reduction scores for solo piano or two pianos or piano four hands. I suspect it’s why for instance a piano four hands arrangement of Tchaikovsky 6 exists even though he died mere days after the premiere of the orchestral version. There’s also a two piano reduction of Holst The Planets and of course probably many other pieces.
And that’s without mentioning the truckloads of piano transcriptions made of other composers’ orchestral works - Liszt was famous for that.
Debussy and Ravel, too.
@@Siljamaarit can’t believe I missed them!
tbh even tho they are well known, most the composers you mentioned make doo doo bad music
Bach is always our number 1, but I was so offended about Rachmaninoff lol, guys you should listen to that composer more. His harmonies, techniques and just overall music is astonishing and ingenious !
So true!!!!!
I have always thought Rachmaninoff is so underrepresented on the channel. I am a pianist tho and the undeniable fact is that I think every pianist has probably fallen in love with Rach. Rachmaninoff genuinely changed the way I thought about music, made me hear things and feel things I didn’t know were possible. Rach will always have a special place in my heart.
I'm just totally agreed with you
Liszt too man
rachaninoff is good, but he is not great, he has a few good pieces but he is essentially just a dumbed down chopin. Scriabin, a contemporary of his was far greater.
Props to Editor-san giving the whole video a pokémon-game vibe.
Anyone else notice that Dvoark's 9th symphony started playing as background for the quarterfinals? Seems like a nod to Dvorak since he wasn't considered at all.
Should of been!
4th. And in the beginning (0:27) as well
yeh but dvorak fucking sucks at composing
Bach transcends his time and frankly classical music like no other before or after him.
Agreed. His music is just grand, on the most literal meaning of the word. It moves me like no other. When I listen to Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Vivaldi I love it but when I listen to Bach I'm transported into another dimension. Usually Heaven
Beethoven definitely would have won for me, but this was a lot of fun to watch. As others have mentioned, you should repeat this but with specific subgenres (symphony, concertos, piano, violin, etc) or with musicians who play different instruments!
Beethoven is way in front of the rest, to my mind.
Same
@@peace-now Beethoven's better than Bach? Nah. But I respect your opinion.
Beethoven for me too
Eyyy notif gang. Also, IM STILL IN LOVE WITH THE SET UP
Chopin was quite the master with forms. He explored a massive variety of forms, especially waltzes, mazurkas, etudes, polonaises, sonatas, concertos and scherzos. More about that last one - he basically pushed the definition of Scherzo beyond a simply small light jokey work.
Loved this video but Haydn over Brahms. Haydn was the mentor to Beethoven AND Mozart. He essentially created the standard for string quartets and was a master of form for future generations of composers.
A very tough decision between Bach and Beethoven but I would put Beethoven as the winner. To do what he did musically while deaf is beyond my imagination. A true genius and phenomenal composer.
I also would put Haydn over Brahms. Haydn invented the sonata form, symphony, and string quartet. I also personally prefer Haydn's sense of taste and beauty and the flow of his works over what I perceive to be the abrupt transitions of Brahms.
@@MayaRavichandran I don't think he invented the symphony and sonata form, but was probably the most influential in it's development.
I felt my heart crack when they said "Brahms, no question." Both are great, but Haydn was probably the most influential composer of the Classical period. But I respect 2set's opinion.
Also Chopin over Mozart
@@tgcccc the "no question" confused me. Like, I think there's an argument to be made for either of them to win this round, but saying "no question" feels weird to me (and honestly - no hate to TwoSet, but still - indicates to me that they haven't really delved into or much thought about Haydn's musical output and his role in literally the entire music development that came after him.
Me as a Pianist, really love Chopin. For me, he’ll always be the number one of all time. His music is not just technically challenging but also musically really challenging.
I am absolutely sure, that if they were pianists, they’ll appreciate Chopin more as well.
Also, I actually think, that they forgot Mendelssohn… I just love his music.
What upset me most is that they didn't even give Liszt a chance
So you think he is the best composer because his music is challenging? Nah man, Chopin is great but he is not even close.
but... the well tempered clavier books 1 and 2?
Bruckner, Schumann, Dvorak, Prokofiev…. They would have needed a quali
if that is the metric that you'd use, they should've picked paganini. But they didn't because they weren't supposed to pick the most technically difficult composer. Sorry for my English.
I'm recently listening to Vivaldi's 12 concertos and man I love ALL OF THEM!!! I know Vivaldi is famous but mostly because of his four seasons, and there are just many more of his work that the world should appreciate!!
I'm learning A minor :P its so fun
here early before your 5th comment under the video 😂
which sets of 12 concerti, estro armonico, or other opuses ?
He composed hundreds of concertos.
I have to admit, I started listening to classical music thanks to four seasons. But as I explored more, I found so many pieces worth listening too. Been listening to oboe and cello concertos
Mozart always makes me feel happy and at ease. Even if his pieces weren’t the most complex or dramatic, to me they all have this perfect quality to them. Maybe other composers were capable of more, but Mozart didn’t even need more. And that is why he is the best in my book.
check out my Mozart playlist, I think most people have this shallow view of Mozart
Requiem, c minor mass, clarinet concerto, the piano concertos in minor keys (c, d), Don Giovanni, even portions of the Magic Flute - Mozart isn't always happy and at ease, and he certainly can be complex.
Who says that Mozart is easy and happy, is an idiot
Me tooooooo! I think perfect music just flowed out of him!💙🎶
@@henrykaspar3634 sorry, never check my replies! I just meant he isn’t the MOST complex. Of course his music can be complex!
Brett choosing Shostakovich & Mozart, Eddy choosing Bach & finding ways to praise Paganini.....this video is the origin story of B2TSM.
When the third matchup is the Devil’s Violinist vs. literally a Catholic priest…
That's pretty sad that people only see in Rachmaninoff a good pianist, but they don't care of his outstanding symphonies and concertos
He was a great composer!
he was pretty great but Shostakovich is pretty much a different league
In fact some studies find out that Rachamninoffs harmony is most original... even more original then Bachs and Beethowen doesnt even come close acourding to that study. Rach was also evolving throughout his life the most...
Not to mention Rachmaninov's instrumental chamber music.
lol he trash compared to bach
As soon as you see Bach on the list, the winner is obvious!
I feel like Haendel, Mendelssohn, or Palestrina could have made one of the brackets though.
Exactly, right? Why even bother fighting, Bach will win any day.
yeh, schubert and brahms could have been removed honestly, maybe add Hummel as he is comparable if not better than beethoven in the classical-romantic style
I think Wagner or Dvořák could've made the list, because, well, their music was literally heard in the video.
tchaikovsky
@@tgcccc wagner is a writer, dvorak is uneducated.
as a harpsichord player, i'm really happy that you guys chose Bach. he is my favourite composer and i really enjoy playing his music. :)
Lol, shouldn't he be everyone's favorite composer?
@@ranonampangom2185 yup
@@ranonampangom2185 He is my favorite composer by far & the greatest Western composer imho. I'm a pianist but I still really like his usage of the tools of the Baroque period. Most may even say he was ahead of his time.
Although I can acknowledge that other people have different opinions, Bach will always be #1 in my heart.
@@ranonampangom2185 Yes he should.
@@ranonampangom2185 not for me. Bach, even Mozarrt and Beethoven, are fairly low down on my list of best composers. My own preferences llie with Bartók, Ginastera, Yoshimatsu, Hindemith, Stravinsky and Corigliano.
Brett never forgets to say "Don't forget to practice".
And it is unusual to watch your video from the new studio.
He doesn't always say it! The 'playing the Strads' vid or the 'bows' vid or both, come to mind but there have been other occasions too!
Bach can definitely be dramatic and very expressive. I’d reccomend listening to the St. Matthew Passion which is his greatest work. It is very introspective and heavy but easing at the same time. For a work a bit easier to get into I’d reccomend the St. John Passion which is a bit more dramatic than the St. Matthew. Also his Mass in B minor is great and he has about a 100 other great cantatas, organ works and concertos which are top level. If you’re interested, go to the Netherland’s Bach Societys channel. They have ad-less periodically accure presentations of many of Bach’s repetoire and a lot of informative videos about baroque music and intruments in general.
Bach also wrote beautiful concertos :)
Yes, just love St Matthews passion
I sang in St Matthew's Passion and loved it, however I listen to it and barely enjoy more than a few "songs" (if that's the right word)
Absolutely agree!! And his cantatas (there are soooo many of them) are like little mini-operas, too.
Erbarme Dich from the St Matthew passion is one of the most beautiful pieces ever written!
"Mozart is the incarnation of music."
Joseph Haydn
"If we cannot write with the beauty of Mozart, let us at least try to write with his purity."
"The fact that most people do not understand and respect the very best things, such as Mozart's concertos, is what permits men like us to become famous."
Johannes Brahms
"I have always reckoned myself among the greatest admirers of Mozart, and shall do so till the day of my death."
Ludwig van Beethoven
"Mozart is sweet sunshine."
Antonin Dvorak
"Oh Mozart, immortal Mozart, how many, how infinitely many inspiring suggestions of a finer, better life you have left in our souls!"
Franz Schubert
"Does it not seem as if Mozart's works become fresher and fresher the oftener we hear them?"
Robert Schumann
"Mozart is the highest, the culminating point that beauty has attained in the sphere of music."
"Mozart is the musical Christ."
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
"Give Mozart a fairy tale and he creates without effort an immortal masterpiece."
Camille Saint-Saens
"Mozart's music is particularly difficult to perform. His admirable clarity exacts absolute cleanness: the slightest mistake in it stands out like black on white. It is music in which all the notes must be heard."
Gabriel Faure
"I believe in God, Mozart, and Beethoven."
"Certain things in Mozart will and can never be excelled."
"The most tremendous genius raised Mozart above all masters, in all centuries and in all the arts."
Richard Wagner
"The most perfect melodic shapes are found in Mozart; he has the lightness of touch which is the true objective ... Listen to the remarkable expansion of a Mozart melody, to Cherubino's 'Voi che sapete', for instance. You think it is coming to an end, but it goes farther, even farther."
Richard Strauss
"I owe very, very much to Mozart; and if one studies, for instance, the way in which I write for string quartet, then one cannot deny that I have learned this directly from Mozart. And I am proud of it!"
Arnold Schoenberg
"Play Mozart in memory of me."
"Mozart encompasses the entire domain of musical creation, but I've got only the keyboard in my poor head."
Frederic Chopin
"In Bach, Beethoven and Wagner we admire principally the depth and energy of the human mind; in Mozart, the divine instinct."
Edvard Grieg
"Beethoven I take twice a week, Haydn four times, and Mozart every day."
"Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is the only musician who had as much knowledge as genius, and as much genius as knowledge."
Gioachino Rossini
"Mozart, prodigal heaven gave thee everything, grace and strength, abundance and moderation, perfect equilibrium."
Charles Gounod
(copied from a comment in Inside The Score's "Why is Mozart a Genius? Part 2")
Me: My dentist plays Mozart to keep his patients calm.
Bach is the only possible winner.
@@manuellayburr382 Read the comment until you absorb it :)
Maybe you should listen to some of Bach's music until you absorb it!
That's nice. Do those composers know how much inspiration he took from Bach?
Here's my quote:
"Bach is Bach."
Where is Dvorak??
This being TwoSet, I knew that Chopin, Rachmaninoff, and Liszt wouldn't stand a chance in this :)
But, Bach rules! His chamber music, the Brandenburg concertos, and the Italian concerto, ... I can listen to them forever!
Rachmaninov deserves no 1 and I’m a violinist.( I just like him lol , there’s no other reason to it )
even if they were pianists bach woukd still wins pretty easily, especially against those three
yk those pieces were highly influenced by vivaldi who two set never gives credit to
Samme her. Uansett hvem en spør, musiker eller musikkelsker, så vil en få forskjellige svar. Det avhenger helt av den enkeltes smak.
@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz At least he got a win 😁
You should do this for specific pieces in different genres of music! Like the battle of the Sibelius violin concert vs Tchaikovsky violin concerto;) I had fun watching, thanks for posting!
As always, Twoset (and the comments!) leave me hungry for great performances of wonderful classical pieces. I spend the night chasing down great Mozart arias, Beethoven quartets, Mahler symphonies, Brahms Lieder. Always an inspiration.
Hello TwoSet
Thank you for your videos. It has inspired me to learn to play violin. I promise to practice 40 hours a day. Hope to share myself playing a piece by the year end. Kudos, keep up the good work
I think they should do this in a poll, so that twosetters and the audience will a contribution and interaction with the votes... The real winner should be decided through a vote!!
Good idea, but no matter the method, the real winner is Bach 😂
With a poll i think Chopin would win 😅
A POLL? Beethoven, hands down!
Absolutely YES!
The more famous(overate) composer gonna win anyway
Nah we all know Brett is the best composer. I mean, look at all the shit he's made man. Fucking masterpieces.
yeah, all the shit for real!!!
Vote Brett for the best horror composer lmaooooo
oh yeah especially his lofi music😭🤌
When I told my mom to listen to Brett's Lo-fi, she said "It's very nice, doesn't sound like horror"
I still wonder why she said that.
The thing about Bach is that the harmony and poliphony are so modern in a way, that musicians of all styles can enjoy playing his music. His music can be played staccato, rubato, using pedals or none, if you just manage to hear clearly the harmonies and voicings, it's simply outstanding. Probably most other composers are more constricted to their time and style. So Bach has a HUGE advantage over all other musicians regardless of their style and taste. Just messing around with his pieces amd then messing around and improvising is just pure joy to me.
Felt like I just had a buffet of composers served up to me - this video is such a treat😍 Love Twoset’s nerdy music content!
I love how Brett and Eddy agreed on almost every point even though they were mostly subjective decisions:)
Maybe they're subject to each other
Lol I won free tickets to see the Houston Symphony and I gave them as a gift to my parents for Mother’s Day, and when they came home from the concert, my mom told me, “You should get a degree in music, then try out for the Houston Symphony, or at least try out for the understudy.” 🤦🏽♀️ I’m never gonna give them free tickets again 😂
I LOVE THE HOUSTON SYMPH SO MUCH IVE BEEN THERE LIKE 10 MY WHOLE LIFE IM OBSESSED I LOVE THEM. NOW I CANT STOP SMILING 😄😄😄😄😄😄❤️❤️❤️
As a pianist, I love love love playing Chopin, but I would've chosen Mozart too
This is a cool format. You could do this with different categories Like violinists or pieces by specific composers
Because of this video, I can imagine all of these composers just fighting with their pieces as powers
😂
Like how 2 versions of Dr strange fought with each other using music pieces?
@@sharkenwonderswhy yes.
Classicaloid
That's a very ClassicaLoid moment.
As Russian, I feel really proud seeing two Russian composers in the semi-final. I mean, we all have already known who will be in the final so I feel like it's a big deal to see Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky go so far🥰
Im not russian but i just wanted to tell you that i looove russian composers and the overall russian sound.
@@Matt-sk1rc oh, thank you. I'm so happy to hear it from foreigners🖤
I do love me some Shostakovich... He really has so many wonderful things going on in all of his pieces.
Uraaaaaaaaa.........
For me Tchaikovsky is number two after Beethoven. I LOVE Tchaikovsky!
Seems like being enjoyable is a death sentence in this battle.
I knew who would win as soon as I saw the thumbnail! But I just had to watch anyway just for the enjoyment of it. Great video guys, loved the storytelling and commentary on why you made your choices.
If you can battle slowly, you can battle quickly
Hi TwoSet, i'm 11 years old and i recently got interested on learning the violin and you both were a great inspiration for me!
Thank you a lot!
(Sorry for spelling mistakes, i'm not a native english speaker)
If you're 11 and not native then your english is amazing! I think when I was 11 I wouldn't even wanna try speaking english to strangers on the internet.
Perfect English spelling!
Just popping in to say before finding your channel, I only knew what I liked to listen to in classical music, This has been an amazing and delightful peek into a world I was only vaguely aware of, and I am hooked. And every time you say GO PRACTICE I open my word doc and start "practicing" my story skills because that's my chosen art form! So thanks for the encouraging tyrannical command to be the best I can be. It's needed xD (also I listen to a lot of instrumental/classical music while writing because anything with lyrics and I start typing them in the work)
Editor-san was on point with the background music! Every new piece was just *chef's kiss*. Also, am I the only one who finds the 1st movement of Mozart Symphony no. 25 haunting?
OMG didn't expect a vid on Monday!!! Thank you so much!!!
But I really wish u guys wouldn't worry about the video getting too long as we love to hear you nerd about classical music!
And it's very bold of editor-san to use New World Symphony when Dvorak's not even on the list (sorry he's my favorite)
yeeeees I would like it so much if you made a 2 hours video about this guys!
The twoset mastermind *Jordon He* deserves more appreciation can I just say.
I can like this comment a hundred times! Yes!!!!
Jordon* ;-)
@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia sorry autocorrect
I am very new to classical music, and so found the stylistic comparisons between the composers at the beginning of the video very helpful. I was a bit sad when the decision was made to cut the better part of this analysis for brevity's sake...'Cause "everybody" already knows this. Speaking as an ulta-elite member of the unwashed, ignorant masses of "nobodies", we most definitely do not!
Love your content and looking forward to learning much more!
Well, i really disagreed that putting Shostakvich over Rachmaninoff though. Rachmaninoff's harmonies and probably the most impressive and sophisticated one in music history probably and his concertos and symphonies really proved that how good is his orchestration
I have a feeling you don't actually listen to Prokofiev. He's superior in almost every way compared to rach.
@@stravinskyfan of course I listen to Prokofiev but I still think Rachmaninoff’s Etude-tableaux is the greatest set of pieces in piano music history and his Op.42 and Op.43 are the greatest variations in music history.
and schostakovich uses a bunch of modernist harmony garbage that doesn't sound good nor work in any context at all, his form being really bad aswell.
Bach wasn't popular in his lifetime, it was over 50 years after his death until most of his works were even published. It would be an interesting exercise to see what composers were actually more famous after they died compared to those popular during their lifetimes.
I heard Bach became more popular because of Mendelsohn
most of them were pretty famous in their lifetimes dont worry
bach wasn't as not known as he is made out to be
Popular to the masses is a bit different than popular to the elite class (especially within the church), which Bach certainly enjoyed during his lifetime.
@@mmisheel8693 Yes, in a way, Bach was all but forgotten, his style of music was passé and Mendelssohn, studying ‘old’ manuscripts found Bach’s St Matthew Passion and directed 3 performances of it in 1829. Thereafter he persuaded musical publishers he knew to publish the complete score. Bach’s music was thus revived and all his works, that could be found, were subsequently published.
Same goes to many old legends of art. Van Goch is a prime example.
Bach composed so much, with so much complexity, he created so much from scratch and his music works in all instruments. He is the king.
JSB totally... and I'm a non musician... my very earliest memory of music is Bach. It has a kind of easy "order"(if that's the word) that makes it somehow very complete and yet also oddly infinite. Please do some more of these.
Great video. You should do another one with the composers you missed (e.g. Ravel, Prokofiev, Schumann etc).
Got goosebumps when Eddy said: "Shostakovich had better command of Harmony."
It’s actually very interesting that the top composers that came after Bach always paid tribute to him in their pieces. His genius in musical composition is truly unmatched.
For me Beethoven is the best, he changed music forever, I know Bach is like the one who found the bases for music but Beethoven was a revolution…
That was very pretty cool. I need to read up on these composers though, and see what you guys see. I absolutely love the composers that I listen to, but I need to expand my knowledge to others. Thanks for that.
Upload a Monday? What a wonderful way to start my week before uni
the way we all watched a 13 minute video knowing the winner would be bach all along
It was really about the friends we made along the way
I have absolutely zero knowledge on classical music. I neither play an instrument nor know how to read scores. Still, this banter-like videos are my favourite. I so get excited hearing you talk so passionately about this subjects and in turn I end up learning a few things from them. It's very enjoyable hearing speak about what components make a piece perfect or composer brilliant, etc. Please keep posting these.
I am so impressed! one of my favourite channels. love every thing !!!
I say this as fondly as possible, but you're such violinists! Haydn, yes, "did write a bunch of symphonies" and "some nice quartets", but as a choir singer, I love him especially for his great choral works, his masses and oratorios. (Also, even apart from his quartets, his chamber music is lovely and he wrote a couple of great concertos for solo instruments that are not the violin) I'm not even dissing on Brahms, he actually also wrote great things for vocalists and his chamber music is beautiful (although for chamber music specifically, I prefer Haydn by a lot!), but there's more to music than iconic violin concertos and epic symphonies.
I'd genuinely love to know the music-related reasons behind why you immediately went "Brahms, definitely" instead of Haydn, or at least why it wasn't even a question - side note: your videos can never be too long, especially when you go into detail on your opinions about music, that's always so interesting and educational even if I don't always agree - because it was obvious even before this video that when it comes to which kind of music you personally prefer and enjoy playing or listening to, Haydn would always lose to Brahms, but in this video, you weren't really going for personal preference (I mean, you eliminated Debussy in the first round!)
Yes, I almost feel guilty for loving Haydn. And Handel didn't even qualify!
Yep, Haydn's symphonies are both historically important and musically pleasing. I think picking both Haydn or Brahms could be justified though.
@@cziffra-eg9st I agree, I don't think at all think it's "obviously Haydn", but at the same time, saying it's not even a question to choose Brahms over Haydn felt weird.
@@Casutama this was actually the most difficult choice I had to make in the whole video, so I'd agree with you. Even his quartets, which they dismissed, are important precursors to modern ones (and some of those quartets are great, e.g. the Fantaisia from the Op. 76 no. 6. I also happen to love Haydn's Sturm und Drang symphonies (La Passione and Trauer)). But then again, the last movement of Brahms' 4th symphonies is one of my absolute favorite symphonic movements, so it was hard to decide
Agreed, very weird to choose Brahms over Haydn. Haydn was foundational to the development of the classical era and everything that came after.
I love the way the guys broke down each category so it was a fair comparison. They didn't just choose their favourite composers each round, and it surprised me which composers got picked. Keep up the good work!
They did in the second half :D
@@FreddieStarWars my boy Liszt didn't even get a look in. :(
@@FreddieStarWars yeah but they already explained the strengths of each composer so it made sense (plus they said it was taking too long lol)
The one with higher enjoyment lost like 90% of the time. I find that interesting, like pop music today.
They mostly did, but for example Haydn - Brahms didn't really get a closer examination even though it would have benefitted from one
Brett and Eddie are my favorite TH-cam channel by far! They are light, funny and informative and always interesting. I was a pretty good drummer years ago and I haven't seen the guys do anything with percussionists. So?.....
I just discovered this channel yesterday and Ive been binge watching for 24 hours. These two guys are natural presenters. Im not a musician but I thoroughly enjoy this content. The channel is creative and informative and the hosts are quite funny, very personable and entertaining to watch.
I understand they're pretty good violinists, too.
In a way, I envy you...you have a wealth of TwoSet videos to watch for the very first time! Welcome to this wonderful community.
The audacity to use Dvorak and Wagner without putting them in the bracket.
@@Robert_1685 and Verdi at least. Opera is a significant TwoSet blind spot. Oh well, only Ling LIng knows everything
Tbf Wagner is the one composer I'm fine with not being included in these types of things bc... he's got good stuff but he's also Questionable AF politics that twoset probs doesn't want to bring up in lighthearted videos. For the others, yeah give us more not-as-popular composers.
@@Irys1997 same with 20th century classical music and woman composers tbh
@@RainbowAceOfSpades R. Strauss, Schoenberg, I am fond of Britten as well, but tbh even if all of them were there it would only serve to make a longer path to Beethoven v Bach in the end
@@Irys1997 Probably which honestly makes sense since the vast majority of *performance based* classical music education focuses on baroque, classical, and romantic periods with some but more minor emphasis on classical music that doesn't fall under those three. Music composition programs tend to be more open minded and experimental.
For me, it will always be Beethoven as my top favorite. His iconic music pieces and tragic life story will always make the listener tearful..I'm a hopeless romantic, so Beethoven will always win in my heart. Mozart, Chopin, Debussy, and Rachmaninoff will also be some of my top faves.
As a pianist and Twosetter (who admits her biases lol), this hurt my soul a bit. I played both classical piano and violin growing up (but was much worse on violin lol), and I HAVE to 1000000% choose Liszt over Tchaikovsky. Same with Chopin over Mozart for me; also, clearly also Rach over Shosty… honestly, Rach over everyone, imho.
However, this is where I note that I recognize I’m def a better pianist (am a pro studio/touring keys player now and write classical crossover compositions) and was a subpar high school violinist at best / don’t even play violin anymore, so my choices are partially reflective of my instrument bias. I’m also a sucker for Romantic-era melodies, harmonies, and chord progressions, they’re just SO moving and beautiful to me and I have a ton of nostalgia tied to many Romantic-era compositions.
That said, I do agree with their assessment of choosing polyphony-king Bach over Debussy (despite my romantic-era composer love); I’m also a sucker for the Bach Double…
BUT Bach v Beethoven?! Easily Beethoven for me. Bro went DEAF and continued composing epic symphonies. (Also biased here bc I took a Beethoven class towards my music minor back in college and it was my fav class ever; learning how petty Beethoven could be -eg. Fur Elise - gave him points for me too, LOL).
Interesting concept of comparing such varied composers though …and nice background :)
"Rach over everyone, imho." You've just admitted that you have giant hands. 😁
@@stephanietakai9470 Haha, I WISH. My hands are pretty smol 🥺 (at least compared to my pianist friends’ hands!) and remember my piano teacher saying (when I was a teenager), “It’s too bad your hands aren’t bigger.” LOL. Basically, I can reach an octave no problem, but even 9ths are problematic for me.
I love how Rach sounds, the melodies, harmony and stunning chord progressions and modulations, but …can I play Rach as written? Absolutely not🥺. Can I even play Rach 2? (haven’t tried tbh… but most likely not 😭 but it’s one of my fav pieces to listen to ever, especially Yuja’s Berlin performance of it)
It was a surprise for me they chose Tchaikovsky over Liszt. Unheard of.
Rachmaninov makes me feel a way I can’t describe with words, maybe I’m biased but his 3 concerti give me chills every time I listen to them
They are judging the composers but hey "... don't judge us...".
I love it😁
i would watch the one hour version of this duel with detailed breakdown for sure owo
YES!!
What a glow up on the backdrop, looking so good!
I would totally listen to a very long video of yall discussing why each composer won or didnt win. I pick up so much background orchestra knowledge just from watching this channel it's very nice
I think they should do a contest between composers of the same period or nationality (baroque, classical, romantic. french, etc...). Because all of the composers were so different, it wasn't really fair.
I love how the comments break down into two camps. Either it's people talking about how unbiased they were, or it's us pianists grumbling about how neither Chopin, Liszt, or Rachmaninoff got in 🤣
To be fair, Rachmaninoff is really the only one who should have got a fair consideration. As much as I love the other two, Liszt and especially Chopin wrote basically exclusively for piano; I don't think it would be quite fair to seriously consider them.
@@Casutama liszt was prob the most influential composer of the period generally gosh, the only comparison would be wagner, and maybe brahms
rach isnt the same league as Shostakovich, it just isn't a competition how ahead shos is
@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz well, influence is only one parameter when comparing the two, and the more innovative composer might not necessarily be better.
Also, Tchiakovsky has been pretty much neglected by musicology until rather recently. And some of the most fervent critics (historically) of Tchaikovsky is Eduard Hanslick, who incidentally was a great fan of Brahms.
@@cziffra-eg9st I gave those parameters cuz thats what the video was talking about mostly and I dont want to go on and on about different aspects
and I would argue Brahms is still better in terms of harmony, orchestration, counterpoint etc.
@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz I think I would agree with you on those aspects. But why limit outselves to those aspects alone?
I’m biased because I was a ballet dancer. I just love the composers of the original classical ballets. (Mainly because it brings back fond memories I guess.)
This video has brought me so much joy and it’s just started
*_Honorable Mention: Jordon He, the genius composer_*
I would have swapped Saint-Saens with Profokiev! I missed Ravel too :/. This one was fun to watch :))
Where was Stravinsky?
I usually play the harmonica and guitar.
After watching 2set for so long. I finally brought my first violin.
It's just a cheap violin, about USD 80.
The strings are quite old right out of the box. When tuning it, as expected I broke the first string.
So I brought a new set of strings. Feeling quite proud to be able to string it up nicely. I must say it's a lot harder to string comparing to a guitar.
Would love to see a long, detailed video on the same topic
thank you guys !! you inspired me to play piano 4 years ago and i was practice 2 hours every day till now :D
2 hours???
@@John_Smith4 2 hours
You need to practice 20x more
Lingling is coming behind u with a stick
That's awesome, congrats!
I love how they played dvorak new world in the background during 10:00 and 11:36 and 11:53 when dvorak wasn’t even part of the brackets
Feel weird that enjoyment is always on the losing side
tkanks a lot TwoSet for the great content !
Absolute hat's off to editor-san. That captioning for each round *chef's kiss*