Staci D agreed but in my opinion whenever Ian, Liz and Chloe are together the three of them are just perfect for each scene it’s just the 3 of them or if it’s Daisy and Jemma or daisy and Fitz then Fitz-Simmons it’s just so perfect since the three of them have been w/ each other since day 1
@@pyr1412 I'll never forget when all 3 of them were brand new SHIELD agents riding in the back of the car getting shot at yelling at each other about rolling down the window, all the while May and Ward are trying to get them to be quiet
Is it really that big of a difference? I could easily see him doing everything he has done outside of the frame work the two main difference are 1)who he loves 2) his rationality
Season 4 is still the best for me. Watched it in a day, because the storyline is so interesting and I couldn't stop myself. The returns were perfect... and yea this was Simmons' peak. I adore Simmons, but S4 her got me feeling some sort of way
Radcliffe is such a well-written character. All he wanted to do was save himself and his dying girlfriend, also try to make a better life for his friends. But in the end he lost everything. Still, he got to make amends.
Pointing a gun at her Still happy to see him Shoots her leg Still tells him she loves him Threatens her life Still holds on to the fact that real Fitz loves her Gets hit in the face after everyway he hurt her Still feels bad for him BEST. GIRLFRIEND. EVER. (Just like Real Fitz is B.BF.E)
Considering he almost drowned saving her which led to his brain injury, and crossing the universe to save her again she better step up be there for him when he needs her most.
Kudos to the AoS writers for inventing and fabricating a whole new alternate reality just to insert this ~darkness~ inside of Fitz and create this rift between Jemma and Fitz. Imagine being this extra
Even though he came back, Fitz was never the same after the framework. After this, and especially his time in prison, he felt separated from the team in a way that couldn't be repaired. The final season really shows how Fitz has moved on from the team long before everyone else did.
I don't think people realize... Radcliffe made a huge sacrifice by doing this. Aida had promised him that he could build himself a new body if he gave up the location of where all the agents had gone. Radcliffe had an opportunity to come back to life, and he sacrificed it for Fitz
Everyone woke up in the Framework Besides Fitz which is why I kind of think he is still confused about what's real or fake because in the real world he still called Aida 'Ophelia'
That's because she WAS Ophelia, she made herself a real person. She was no longer artificial, so the name AIDA doesn't work. He remembers making the machine so he also remembers who she is.
Love how they gave evil Fitz the Richard Spencer "I'm a Nazi douchebag" haircut. Although admittedly Iain de Caestecker is the only man who's ever looked good with an undercut hairstyle.
John Hannah’s character of Holden Radcliffe is so underrated. The end of this scene is where I truly believe he redeemed himself. Such a sad ending for such a sad character 😢
im rewatching season 4 for like the 24679977880432789th time and i still cry during this scene. i knew he wouldn’t kill her but for a second i panicked and though he would and ugh i have such a love hate relationship with this part of the showwww!!!
I have to be honest: despite knowing that May was in the framework for half the season, I was happier when Fitz was finally pulled out of the framework, even though he was traumatized by the actions he did in there.
I would like to see a mystical like episode where Fitz is trapped in his own mind & he has to fight his Framework HYDRA persona. I mean, both versions of Fitz are 2 completely different but they both share 1 thing. A body.
Anyone wonder why Aida didn’t make an lmd in the framework and name it aidan since she hates any mention of her old life and would have probably made one as a way to torment Radcliffe by making an lmd similar to herself but making it be hydras protector and her assistant in getting back to the real world I feel like she would have done that since she hates Radcliffe and doesn’t want her old life to be mentioned in the framework including her original name and why she gets so mad whenever anyone calls her aida instead of calling her Ophelia not to mention wouldn’t some scientist in hydra want to have an lmd be a protector to help agents in dangerous situations or at least as an unstoppable soldier in hydras conquest
even after fitz become old fitz again he still does blame himself in the real world but Radcliffe told fitz don't blame yourself it was all my fault he right fitz can't blame himself it was all Radcliffe fault blame him he would want fitz to blame everything on him
it doesn't really matter anymore does it because none of this was ever real in the first place and he needs to wake upand that dark version of him was never real in the first place evil fitz is not real and he never will be
Okay so can someone here explain to me this season and the framework? I don’t watch AoS but I watch Flash and i’ve seen a bunch of people say that the framework storyline was essentially a better more developed Flashpoint storyline
It is way better. The plot was that Fitz and Radcliffe made this artificial reality and a robot who turned evil and put all the main characters into the artificial reality and wiped out their biggest regret. That changed the entire world so that hydra could take over and Fitz became evil. I think it was better because it had more time like about 6 episodes and it also had some huge lasting impacts on especially Fitz.
Elizabeth Henstridge and Iain de Caestecker are amazing actors on their own, but when they're together, holy hell they are a powerhouse
Staci D their chemistry both as friends and in the framework is stong
Staci D agreed but in my opinion whenever Ian, Liz and Chloe are together the three of them are just perfect for each scene it’s just the 3 of them or if it’s Daisy and Jemma or daisy and Fitz then Fitz-Simmons it’s just so perfect since the three of them have been w/ each other since day 1
@@pyr1412 I'll never forget when all 3 of them were brand new SHIELD agents riding in the back of the car getting shot at yelling at each other about rolling down the window, all the while May and Ward are trying to get them to be quiet
Whatcing this and fitzsimmons in season 1, me : 😥😓😭😢😪😰😩
Yes
I love how the actor can play such polar opposite personalities to the same character
Is it really that big of a difference? I could easily see him doing everything he has done outside of the frame work the two main difference are 1)who he loves 2) his rationality
The framework arc is the best part of the whole season. AND IT OPENED WITH GHOST RIDER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
It was just a great season all around.
Season 4 is still the best for me. Watched it in a day, because the storyline is so interesting and I couldn't stop myself. The returns were perfect... and yea this was Simmons' peak. I adore Simmons, but S4 her got me feeling some sort of way
Season 4 is the best! I dont know how Season 7 will surmount this season
@@arcturus4939 Maybe not, but I know the last season will leave fans satisfied.
best arc of the whole show its amazing
Radcliffe is such a well-written character. All he wanted to do was save himself and his dying girlfriend, also try to make a better life for his friends.
But in the end he lost everything. Still, he got to make amends.
Yeah
And that part where the framework ends with Radcliffe is emotional
So this is how the world ends: not with a bang but with a… 🥃
None of that was entirely his fault, the Darkhold corrupted his mind, and his robot
Radcliffe finally did a good deed.
Pointing a gun at her
Still happy to see him
Shoots her leg
Still tells him she loves him
Threatens her life
Still holds on to the fact that real Fitz loves her
Gets hit in the face after everyway he hurt her
Still feels bad for him
BEST. GIRLFRIEND. EVER.
(Just like Real Fitz is B.BF.E)
So true
YOU JUMPED THROUGH A HOLE IN THE UNIVERSE FOR ME!!!
Considering he almost drowned saving her which led to his brain injury, and crossing the universe to save her again she better step up be there for him when he needs her most.
@@subman23 what does that mean?
@@afrabanu1706 it's something Simmons yelled at Fitz in the moment of passion... Because he did go through the monolith to rescue her
Kudos to the AoS writers for inventing and fabricating a whole new alternate reality just to insert this ~darkness~ inside of Fitz and create this rift between Jemma and Fitz. Imagine being this extra
gleamofhope
Ya unlike CW writers there not afraid to go the distance when Turing friends into enemy's
Howyaduing even though this was far more temporary than anything CW has ever done
popeye697
May had been temporary but still well executed
@@Howyaduing Ward was definitely not temporary though
Icybubba ya showed what a person with a “REAL” Split personality is like
Lookin at you killer frost!!!
“This was never. My. Intention.” Love Radcliffe
Even though he came back, Fitz was never the same after the framework. After this, and especially his time in prison, he felt separated from the team in a way that couldn't be repaired. The final season really shows how Fitz has moved on from the team long before everyone else did.
I don't think people realize... Radcliffe made a huge sacrifice by doing this. Aida had promised him that he could build himself a new body if he gave up the location of where all the agents had gone. Radcliffe had an opportunity to come back to life, and he sacrificed it for Fitz
but then again ghost rider would have come for him
Ian Lim
Good point
Ian Lim I don’t think so, his mind was fine in the framework and his new body wouldn’t have read that book.
Conmattang he didn’t take the opportunity because there was no agnes
@@ian2182 Well Radcliffe didn't know that tbh, so it's still a big personal sacrifice from his position.
That season was sick. One of the best
Everyone woke up in the Framework Besides Fitz which is why I kind of think he is still confused about what's real or fake because in the real world he still called Aida 'Ophelia'
Summer K in pretty sure she messed with his mind more than the others so he could build the machine or whatever
Keyla Salas Yeah he was too close with her and he wouldn't move out the way so May could take the shot
That's because she WAS Ophelia, she made herself a real person. She was no longer artificial, so the name AIDA doesn't work.
He remembers making the machine so he also remembers who she is.
He technically did live a whole life with her in the framework. She was real to him.
Love how they gave evil Fitz the Richard Spencer "I'm a Nazi douchebag" haircut. Although admittedly Iain de Caestecker is the only man who's ever looked good with an undercut hairstyle.
What Radcliffe did, it was almost like making a sacrifice play.
I just noticed the 1:25 huff. Good act, a final sign of resignation to the situation, even if not the hope for (real) Fitz.
IM STILL NOT OKAY
John Hannah’s character of Holden Radcliffe is so underrated. The end of this scene is where I truly believe he redeemed himself. Such a sad ending for such a sad character 😢
Evil Fitz and evil Ward were awesome
don't you mean good ward because the real ward secretly worked for hydra within shield like john garrett
Yeah that's what he meant basically evil hydra ward@@gilnech9310
Her acting was so good holy crap 💖😱
im rewatching season 4 for like the 24679977880432789th time and i still cry during this scene. i knew he wouldn’t kill her but for a second i panicked and though he would and ugh i have such a love hate relationship with this part of the showwww!!!
goodbye my precious heart 😭💔
This moment was unhealthy for my heart!
is it really cold blood if she shot him because he was strangling her?????
No, that would be Self-Defense.
Renew Agents of SHIELD Please!!!!
I have to be honest: despite knowing that May was in the framework for half the season, I was happier when Fitz was finally pulled out of the framework, even though he was traumatized by the actions he did in there.
1:00 this is too pain to watch.
First of all, RUDE. Second of all HOW DARE YOU. I did not sign up for this.
RENEW AGENTS OF SHIELD PLEASE!!!!!
I believe the good and bad version of Fitz are mess up on his mind, and also the bad version of comes from framework
straight up best season of the show
THIS WAS TOO MUCH FOR ME
Renew Agents of SHIELD!!!!!!!! 😀☝️☝️☝️😌😌😌😌😏😏
I would like to see a mystical like episode where Fitz is trapped in his own mind & he has to fight his Framework HYDRA persona. I mean, both versions of Fitz are 2 completely different but they both share 1 thing. A body.
Alex Schloesser then you need to watch episode 5x14 it’s a killer
RegalBeliever Fitzsimmons trust me. I did. What a twist. It was so cool
6x06 I'm sure Is that episode
It just feels so wrong!
RENEW AGENTS OF SHIELD PLEASE!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
Iain de Caestecker should play a villain in a gangster movie
@@reesewithoutaspoon he has this cold calculating behavior that would make a great villain, like lex luthor
What if an avatar passed the portal? Like, grant ward.
Its likely that it just gets deleted or nothing happens they remain in the framework. It would be cool if they became AI like Jarvis.
Anyone wonder why Aida didn’t make an lmd in the framework and name it aidan since she hates any mention of her old life and would have probably made one as a way to torment Radcliffe by making an lmd similar to herself but making it be hydras protector and her assistant in getting back to the real world I feel like she would have done that since she hates Radcliffe and doesn’t want her old life to be mentioned in the framework including her original name and why she gets so mad whenever anyone calls her aida instead of calling her Ophelia not to mention wouldn’t some scientist in hydra want to have an lmd be a protector to help agents in dangerous situations or at least as an unstoppable soldier in hydras conquest
Agents of SHIELD > Disney Plus MCU.
even after fitz become old fitz again he still does blame himself in the real world but Radcliffe told fitz don't blame yourself it was all my fault he right fitz can't blame himself it was all Radcliffe fault blame him he would want fitz to blame everything on him
it doesn't really matter anymore does it because none of this was ever real in the first place and he needs to wake upand that dark version of him was never real in the first place evil fitz is not real and he never will be
I hated this fitz, he always had a fetish for Aida in the real world its just gotten worse here.
Jacob Qarooni TRUE
Renew Agents of SHIELD Please!!!!!!!!!!
Okay so can someone here explain to me this season and the framework? I don’t watch AoS but I watch Flash and i’ve seen a bunch of people say that the framework storyline was essentially a better more developed Flashpoint storyline
Yup way better
It is way better. The plot was that Fitz and Radcliffe made this artificial reality and a robot who turned evil and put all the main characters into the artificial reality and wiped out their biggest regret. That changed the entire world so that hydra could take over and Fitz became evil. I think it was better because it had more time like about 6 episodes and it also had some huge lasting impacts on especially Fitz.
@@anjaliravichandra1708 prior to escaping the framework, she was really only the enslaved enforcer for radcliffe's twisted fantasy.
Marvels agents of shield
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NOTHING THAT YOUVE DONE Has been an accident... YOU WANNA DESTROY ME YOU WANNA DESTROY THIS WORLD YOU WANT TO DESTROY THE WOMEN THAT I LOVE
wtf did I just watch?
Michale Frantz I'm a season behind (half way through 3) and very confused
YOU NEED TO CATCH UP!!! This Season 4 is freaaaakiiin AMAZING!
You guys are kinda dumb watching spoilers...