Repairing and Testing an old Bally Solenoid Driver Board - 1978 Strikes And Spares Pinball Machine
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"Ladies and gentlemen, this is Joe's Traffic Video Games back with another cool parallel parking video for you this evening."
You got to stay on your toes around here, they're coming at us from every direction! I've almost got them surrounded!!!!
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I really appreciate in depth practical and systematic repair like this. You’re very funny and educational! Thanks for bringing these beautiful machines back to life!
Hands down best pinball content on TH-cam or any other platform IMO!! You sir are the Teacher I always wanted in my school days!! I new nothing about fixing issues on these time capsules and now because of your videos and explanations I can maintain my own pins without having to find or pay someone to do so. I Thank you for your time to help out this great hobby and community. Can’t wait for next one!! Thumbs way up on next and future vids!! Awsome!
Thank you Slowride77 that's very nice of you to say, I'm glad you are able to take care of your machines, that's kind of what I'm trying to do, show people if I can do it anybody can do it! See you on the next one!
I've watched you repair these boards many times over the years, and i still find it interesting. Great video Ron, looking forward to the next ones.
But Simon, I don't know what I'm doing! I don't know what to call a transistor, I'm not doing the replacement pins right, I'm not doing the grounds right, I don't even talk right! Just ask all the folks sitting on their couches watching me work
@@LyonsArcade Ron it doesn’t matter whether some of the terminology is wrong, the point is you explain what you are doing and why and it makes sense, simple as that, don’t worry about the negative comments, can they do better? I think not!
Trying to fix a bally fireball solenoid driver board. Thanks for this!!
Systematic approach. That’s how you do it. I have learned so much watching your videos. Thanks Ron.
These vid’s are awesome, especially liked the ground modification to link all of the grounds together. I just did it to my xenon board and also liked the test bench connector to your power supply that you did in a different vid. Thanks again for putting these out there.
Thank you for watching! Glad it helped.... see you on the next one!
Thank you Ron! Your the best! You make it fun!
I love watching you work. The EM machines always fascinated me because how the engineers came up with a solution for the problems. Namely the analog logic. I know and understand digital logic, and those machines fascinate me, too. Cool stuff.
Thank you Chris, these early digital games are really cool because everything is very logical and simpler, you can see how they simply stepped over into digital with the ideas of the analog stuff...
Impressed by the logical and meticulous work, ensures most problems are solved en-route rather than having to figure out stuff when everything is plugged in. Looking forward to the finished article and new board in place.
Thank you for watching Peter, we appreciate it! See you on the next one, we'll finally get it flipping :)
Love watching your videos! Great seeing you breath life into these works of art! I've learnt some valuable tips from you so thanks so much for sharing your skills and knowledge!
Thank you for watching Geoff!
Awesome to hear you describe the small things making up the soul of these machines! Not enough people see these machines for the littlest details of the classic hardware (like the glow of the uninitialised plazma displays). Those little details, can seem irrelevent to the practically minded, but understanding how they really make the experience of the system is something that's a joy to hear you explain (whilst also not missing that you don't have to have them, and that others might not care).
Thanks SO much for making these, keep ignoring the naysayers, you do a fantastic job here and really glad you call out those who miss that with small time commentary about not saying about commenting (or thinking its only said for money). Big fan here Ron :D.
I'm going to be 'that guy', Ronnie! Your multimeter isn't dirty enough! The sign of a well used multimeter is how dirty it is, and I can still see patches of bright yellow on it :P
I'm trying to get it respectable but unfortunately that's as dirty as I can get it so far, I'm going to start using it on my truck repairs more often in the hopes it won't be so embarassingly clean :)
Dirty multimeter Clean Mind..pretty sure George Jones sang that 😆
It's just good old basic troubleshooting. Great stuff!
i like the teaching / learning style of this video excellent
That's very nice of you to say Robotron 2084!
I love these old boards so much personality!
Yeah they're really cool designs. You can kind of see the engineer's ideas in them.
You got it Ronnie. …that’s two boards down, with a few to come. I’m looking forward to you conquering the playfield. I know you hate Mylar, so it should be real exciting. Great work so far.
I need these videos. Thank you for making them. I have a 1993 Rocky & Bullwinkle. Thank to you I can fix bad light sockets, adjust switches and bumpers and kickers. Thanks for the videos.
Thank you Scott! I think we used one of your Frank Sinatra records in one of our jukeboxes earlier this week, by the way!
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Graeme!
Thank you for taking the time to film, every time. It's appreciated!
Thanks for filming. I like you too.
See you on the next one!!!
Good luck with it. That Strikes & Spares seems to need A TON of work to get It back alive.
We're gonna get it man :)
"Yeah, one of the wires burned up and got loose."
"You stuck something in the plug?"
"Yup. Nailed it"
Joe, thank you ever so much for tying your brain to your mouth! I do not mean this as something bad, but actually very great. The videos that you have created and I watched are real world and true to what I, as a DIYer, deal with as I try to being back to life a Williams 1990 Diner. Believe it or not, I need to see how you analyze issues, begin you repair, find that it is may be something else and then move forward to the next step to find the issue(s). Even when you find that what you believed to be the issue and it is not, I have learned a lot about how to understand the testing of anything else that might be a similar issue.
Keep of the Great Work and Videos ! ! ! !
Regards,
Chuck
Thank you for taking the time to video your work, I know it takes more time to do the work while reaching around a camera.
For any Electronic Hobbyist, these videos are Golden! I know just enough about electronics to understand and often times these videos help fill in the blanks. Thanks Ronnie!! LOL Shimmie Shimme Coco Puff The Glow like an old vacuum tube, Ambience. :)
I've been corrected about 20 times in the comments of this video so far, people are crazy
@@LyonsArcade Keep doing what you do it works and I like it! There are always people that think know know better. I like your troubleshooting methodology.
Fantastic!! I wish this guy was one of my professors when I was getting my BSEE! 🙂
A diode that is only shorted when passing current is something I've never seen before. I'm used to where either it works, or as Joe says, It's broke.
Your a saint in removing memories. Thankyou
I've done a pin replacement and I must say the nail method is for the impatient repair tech. LOL.
Customer: "Oh, and I fixed a power connector. "
Ron: "YOU NAILED IT!!! sigh, yeah"
C'mon, people, at least use ring shank
I'm just glad they didn't hit it in there with a hammer :)
It reminded me of uxwbill another youtuber here when he reviewed old classical computer when he tries to start up the computer and screamed smoke test. I've always smiled when he mentioned it. You brought a smile on mine on tonight's episode of this classic arcade pinball game. 😂😂😂
Thanks for another great video Ronnie! I'm surprised that high voltage shield isn't totally yellowed. I was cringing when you were sticking your probe under that. I have 2 rectifier boards to re-pin and I'm dreading it. BTW, marco sells a solderless rectifier board with screw terminals going to the transformer, kinda weird. Can't wait for the next video!! ✌️
yeah the potential of shorting things out doing that is pretty high especially if you have a camera in one hand, LOL
I've fixed probably a hundred of these Ballys and only had to replace that rectifier board once.... there's not much to them, unless it's caught on fire.
@@LyonsArcade Fortunately they work fine but the connectors are pretty toasty. 🤞
I would solder the screw terminal to the pad on the output lead of the regulator. When the resistance goes up between those two points it causes heat and the regulator to blow. Unless there is a lock or star washer under the head of the screw.
I can tell I've seen this one because I remember the nail in the plug. Guess I missed clicking "thumbs up" on it, 'cause that's usually how I know. I think because "it was full of spiders" I watched it again. TNX!
As George said..It's Finally Friday 🎉
whatsdatsupposeda mean???
@@LyonsArcade I'm free again..I got my motor running for a wild weekend 😁😆
@@LyonsArcade I uploaded a video on my channel just now..specially for you lol
yes, this content is amazing i really want to know how you even go about starting this, you are saying words ive heard and kind of know to use all my life but never really know what it actually meant.
Nice machine. I'll take it.
You con fused me talking about fuses, sorry bad pun. Great vid
there's no such thing as a bad pun :)
Really shimmy shimmy coco pop, It been really long time I heard the phrase. Ron
Let's have more arcade games need to be repaired like "Phoenix ", "Space Fury", "Carnival", etc.
Come on people!...
The pinball machines just take longer to fix so we get several videos out of those, but the arcade games we usually fix in 1 video so we can't put up as many of those :)
Keeping the grounds separate from the logic avoids imposing noise on the logic. Come on people
Riiiiiight
I think that was a 14 amp fuse and not a 1/4 amp. Admittedly 14 amps seems like a weird rating but the filament in it was very thick.
Yeah it sure looked like it said 14!
24:51 That is a LV (12-24V) fuse on the right for use in cars or caravans, looks like a 6 or 10A. See how thick the fuse "wire" is in it. The left one is 5x20mm I assume, which is most common.
That little glow in a plasma display is probably to keep the gas ionised that makes the displays turn on faster._
Yes, there would be a hold voltage at work so the displays work rapidly enough.
Vintage regulators. Haven’t seen them in a while.
A process of elimination i love it
Just for info:
The 7805 is not a transistor, but a complete integrated circuit acting as a 5 V voltage regulator. This special casing in a TO3 transistor case allows higher currents than the T0220 cased ones because of the better termal connection to the heat sink. I guess this one goes up to 1,5 A instead of 1 A.
You corrected me calling it a transistor, then said the 78H05 is capable of 1.5amps when it's capable of 5amps...
I obviously don't know what I'm talking about but you've exposed that neither do you... only one of us wanted to correct the other one, though
My theory with those diodes or any components is, these are literally 50+ years old. Now, when you put electricity through them after a long period of time, they could just blow up, or short themselves. If they don't they're usually good for a while longer.
The "blow up" part could be the "popcorn theory." So it is possible that moisture or whatever condenses inside or something. Then when you power it up years later, you may find exploding parts.
Then there is the older tech issue. Some things used selenium diodes. I don't think those are made anymore. So you end up substituting parts, and one thing to keep in mind is that the voltage drop is different. The silicon ones may cause a different, possibly lower voltage drop.
Joe's reality TV!!
For those playing at home, you should replace both sides of the connectors (Headers and Housing and Pins). The newer headers are square and you should use the Trifurcon pins so that you make contact on 3 sides rather than just one side. Reduces resistance and heat.
Completely unnecessary
@@LyonsArcade We'll agree to disagree on that one :)
What's with all the quarters? Looks like your heading to the arcade back in the day 🙂
We work on arcade games, helllloooooooooooo
I thought maybe you charged money to play your awesome games : )
Hey Joe! Great video - I’m learning a lot and have even gotten a few things repaired on my new (1984) Eight Ball Deluxe. Recently i had a single flipper go dead. Briefly. I believe one of the wires has lost some girth at the base of the solenoid for said flipper. When the flipper started working again, now the house lights are starting to dim a tiny bit any time i hit the flipper. Can you think of anything?
I’ve had diodes fail like that where they check fine but when voltage is applied they short.
Nice recovery. I use a Dim Bulb Tester to check for shorts after tinkering on a circuit. I wonder if that would be a way the test for shorts saving the fuses and allowing for troubleshooting on these pinball machines?
Question, kind of a weird situation. Tri zone. I'm working on it. Sat in a barn. Main mou corroded bad so I replaced it with a rotten dog mpu327 combo board for Williams system 6, recapped both the power supply and sound board it just because. I still need to put new displays because only player 2 and 4 work. Not ball/credit, player 1 or 3. So when I turn it on sometimes I only get gen illum no displays and no flash/attract. But sometimes if I flip the switch off then on 2-3 times I'll get the 2 displays and flashing to kick on and the coin door coil to fire. What might cause this?
I would say it's the connector that plugs into the top of the power supply board, or the connector that plugs into the left top corner of the new MPU. I'll bet when it doesn't boot if you check the board the 5 volts will be missing or low.
@@LyonsArcade awesome. Thanks Ron, I'll look into it. I do mostly em games so I don't get much exposure to ss.
39:16 yeah you can send 40 volts but it will make a lot of heat and it will affect the service life.
What part did you replace Q20 with? These are exceedingly difficult to find. Marco's wants $70, which is a huge nope. I've found LM323's from several places at varying costs from around $14 up to $70.
I didn't know they'd gone up that high, I bought all mine for 3 or 4 bucks. I'd probably carefully order a batch from china on ebay if I needed some before I paid 70 bucks each.
So, white smoke means your pinball game is being fixed. I always thought it had something to do with Popes. ; )
My old Marantz stereo did more than smoke I had fire
JOES, Why is that Resistor Value such a very low resistor value across that Transistor/regulator component? it was measuring a short in circuit. Also what do you mean by "Power Train" ?
Those connectors were never designed to take the power used by general illumination, that's why they burn up. AC or DC doesn't matter, it's the constant load. They are fine for intermittent loads, such as solenoids or controlled lamps, but the GI just is a bit too much for them
Ron, could you PLEASE put the backglass somewhere safe! I get the creeps seeing you working directly above it ...
AxelBe could you please go worry about shit somewhere else, thx
@@LyonsArcade Thank you for the friendly and thoughtful answer.
Out of curiosity is there an adapter or something you could use to allow you to install a fuse like you and I would use in our Square Body Chevy trucks?
probably, but then you'd have to find out what size adapter to get and if you figure that out, you might as well just order the correct fuse instead of the adapter :) Thanks for watching sou6900!!!
That's a unique triple gang box outlet cover plate. I have never seen one of these. Double gang box cover plates are common, but I worked as an electrician and I never saw one. Never even heard of one. We usually would do a double or two singles and put the 6 outlet adapter into them to give 12 outlets or run the 4 foot power strips with 12 outlets. That is what I have in my house to power everything
Very interesting
Was this in the store before you took ownership or did you have it installed ? Is that the only one or did you have multiple ones installed ?
I find the 4 foot strips are really nice for the A/C D/C adapter wall warts.
Look outside it got dark on you
I got here a little late so it's not too bad! Thanks for watching Jeff!
I remember
I played robotron a lot.
a NAIL? c... come... come on people... You can't do that!
It's a regulator not a transistor
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Lmao
Come on people!
Diodes can be tricky. If they burn, they can assume a temporary resistance of 400-500 ohms and test like a nice junction drop. Until you run some current through them, then they burn some more or blow the fuse. When they break in half so easily when you remove them, that's a tell.
Not to nit pick, but the 5 volt regulator is an integrated circuit and not a transistor, but it looks like one.
Can you repair robotron,?
I've fixed a few of them, great game! I've never done a video of one though.
Definitely 'oh five' not 'zero five'
Thank you for watching Samantha James!
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On a carport... SMH 😐
it happens!