If I were to be honest here I enjoyed hazbin hotel coming from someone that never watched the pilot (ironic I know) but at the same time I agree with the issue regarding pacing and character motivations. because on one hand Charlie wanting to give folks some sort of redemption seems like a solid concept but the show barley focuses on the hotel and we never see why Charlie is so passionate about this goal along with the whole war with heaven thing like this should've had more build up if anything but it's just revealed that she's killed by some nobody which we barley see like bruh
The war I think is a way to show it's viable. In order for a plan to work you have to show it can be done, and defeating the exorcists and ascending pentious did that.
My problem is that with Alastor, they tried building up all this mystery and mystique without ever really...well....introducing him properly? They never give you any time from the start to see him faking sincerity. He's always in "wow, kinda suspect" mode all the time past the pilot
They BODIED Alastor. He went from sinister and southern charm to bratty and sass queen. Lìke.....he's supposed to be manipulative? He's SO OBVIOUS. If he's a deal demon it's a miracle he made it to overlord status being a deal maker, because he's not charming or convincing at all.....
@@roxycauldwell544 Yeah. In the pilot, they took him way less serious which I think is the best way to handle a character like Alastor. You can tell he was a bit sketchy, but he didn't come off as flat out sinister as he did in the full show. He lost his charm
@@roxycauldwell544some people said that happened because Viv didn't wanted him to be morw popular than Charlie so they changed him so people will be less interested in him and more in Charlie, if this is true I think it is hilarious that Charlie is still not the first character people think of when someone says "Hazbin Hotel" 😂
@@karentorresalfaro3371wow if that's true then that REALLY sucks. I said before if you have to water down or dumb down your characters then, I don't think that's good writing or characterization. Besides, so many shows have likeable main characters but side characters leave a bigger impact on the audience. That wasn't necessary to do because Alastor was probably her best character, but now he's just a bratty sassy edge lord who probably suffers from "daddy issues" too. Pilot Alastor takes the cake for me
@@karentorresalfaro3371the fact that characters that have one or two episodes are more popular than her and viv quite literally destroyed other characters to make her the center of attention (which didn’t work) is so funny to me💀💀💀
I very much agree about your point about Charlie in heaven to stop the extermination and then Sera was like 'No one should know about the extermination' Like why are you talking about this in court full of Angels. It could have just been a private meeting with her and Adam (and Lute) 11:53 I just noticed how that plot doesn't really make sense. Even if in the court , lets say Adam wasn't even there, it will still reveal the extermination because of Charlie. Or Adam is just there for the Vaggie Angel reveal i guess.
she came to heaven to talk about the hotel and how sinners can be redeemed .and it was lucifer who set up the meeting and all the higher ups were called
@@Lost_G4mingthat doesn't discount their points. The Extermination would be necessarily discussed as the Hotel is specifically a proposed alternative... Sera knew this would be happening, made sure Adam didn't discuss it, yet still allowed all the other court angels appear despite this knowledge... All the while she could have teleported Charlie and Vaggie away just like she did with Adam and Lute, talking about the Hotel proposal, observing Angel Dust, and dismissing them as he isn't there as a redeemed Winner, all the while keeping Exterminations a secret from Heaven and most importantly Emily.
Despite me loving this show to death, (No pun intended!)I’m not denying for a second it’s flawed. The break-neck pacing and amount of cramming in a single episode can get SUPER overwhelming. Great vid Cent!
Well thats not exactly the creators fault, its more that Amazon only allowed 8 episodes, which I think its more impressive that Viv was able to do so much with that is amazing. Generally a standard season is about 12-13 episodes, so she got a bit… shafted there I think. So its not something I’ll hold against the creator.
Agreed. No fault on Viv, you can tell by the passion she tried her absolute best to make it work. Edit: This is just about the episode count and runtime, the amount of characters and plot lines introduced was up to her.
Nah full fault on the show's creative team. Please stop making excuses for them having a badly paced season. They could have done much more with an 8 ep 20 min season- they decided though to have it be speed rushed as priority was placed on the Heaven war plotline. It could still have been as successful with a slice of life/character drama and sin exploration feel with that same time limit.
@@Kye9842 Sure but such a story wouldnt generate the same views or… profits most likely, aside from the core Pilot fans. Its on Amazon not the creators, most standard animation industry gives 12-13 as a minimum, some shows have been given 24-26 episodes for a season. Amazon cheaped out a bit.
@xXFluffers vaggie an ex angel/ exorcist not knowing angels/exorcist could be hurt buy angelic weapons despite her having her eye ripped out by an angelic sword?, or how we ate supposed to believe that all the exorcists being ridiculously murderous got into heaven? Did they only jist become that way after heaven? Or how they kept the extermination a secret despite hundreds if not thousands of angels being exorcists did they all never once mention that? And that's just a few
@@xXFluffersaccording to vivzie, sinners can only truly “die” by angelic weapon, if not they just respawn, the hellborn can’t be hurt by angelic weapons (as brought up by Lute “the only reason you’re still alive is because daddy gave you and your hellborn subjects a pardon from an exorcist blade.”) and angels can’t be hurt at all by anything other than angelic weapons. There are multiple instances where this is completely ignored, especially in the battle scene. 1. Razzle, one of Charlie’s hellborn dragon pets, is killed by an exorcist blade 2. Lute gets her arm ripped off after being trapped under some rubble 3. Adam almost kills Lucifer AND Charlie with an exorcist blade 4. The lineup for Sir Pentious’s death, Pentious tries to kill adam with a lazer knowing damn well he can only be hurt by angelic weapons
@@Theomorispider I'll respond to these one by one 1. The idea isn't that hellborn are immune to angelic weapons, it's that heaven agreed to not harm any hellborn in their exterminations. We know that hellborn are in fact very susceptible to angelic weapons because we see them being used by hellborn to kill other hellborn in helluva boss. 2. This is a valid point, although I think the disbelief can be pretty easily suspended here. To be totally fair, she technically ripped her own arm off, it was trapped under rubble and she pulled until it tore off. I don't think the intention was to portray as angels as actually invincible from an objective standpoint, just that no one in hell knew angels could be hurt, period. It's possible that angels aren't invincible at all, they're just really damn tough. 3. I don't really understand this point. Adam broke the deal that heaven made with hell. That's the whole point of his attack, he's defying the will of heaven over a personal vendetta. 4. It's possible that his lazer was powered by some kind of angelic energy. Angelic weapons also take the forms of guns and explosives, so I don't see why an angel laser beam is out of the question.
Great vid Cent! The "duet" between Carmilla and Vaggie in "Whatever it takes" would have been a great foreshadowing betwen the interaction of both but the uneven Pacing of the story makes their subsequent meeting feel less impactful. The story instead of feeling like a larger cohesive one feels like we do take pitstops to see each of the characters develop, then move on to the next thing. I can understand why the show is popular and let's hope the second part, season (?) does fix those issues.
Hazbin Hotel is a huge disappointment It could've been a fantastic show... and it nearly scratched the surface And I hate people using the excuse "oh they were screwed by the studio! They didn't know they would have a second season" Shut up. Just shut up. No matter how many episodes you have, you work with what you got. It doesn't matter if they would have a second season or not. You make a proper plot first and develop more later The show isn't flawed because of the studio or because they had 8 episodes. No, the show is flawed because is like nobody in that team seen to know how to write
I wish they didn’t give Alastor an obvious ego that people can sometimes take advantage of and other times can’t. like he negatively reacts to Lucifer calling him an has-been and when he gets told his idea for the hotel name is stupid, which should be extremely trivial for someone with his supposed status and renown. he also gets offended when Carmella doesn’t care where he’s been, which doesn’t really make sense because why would he care what she thinks if he’s so sure of himself? Isn’t his whole persona a smile that “keeps his enemies guessing” and keeps him in control? if he can be so easily hurt by simple digs at his character, then why does anyone fear him? insecurity in villains shouldn’t be shown until like big moments in their arcs, such as at the end where his ego almost got him killed by Adam and he’s understandably freaking out. you show cocky villains at their best before tearing them down to their actual level. he barely did anything this season besides talk about how dangerous he is, and kill a few low level demons before getting destroyed by one guy in arguably his debut fight scene. he’s like King in One Punch Man, someone who has all this credit to their name for killing monsters, when really it’s just an act that people believe which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy whenever his strength is challenged, so I don’t feel like his renown is justified in the slightest
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Right, Alastor was done so dirty. He was literally built up to be a dangerous and manipulative character. He talked a big game throughout the season only to get folded minutes later. People are saying it's because he doesn't have his full power but if that's true then it was handled poorly. I don't know any villain (serious villain) who runs his/her mouth and not be able to back it up. Thanos, evaporated half of the universe, Ganondorf, wielder of the triforce of power, Dio, Aizen, Eren. Like, these are heavy hitting villains who can talk the talk and walk the walk. If Alastor knew he wasn't at his full strength then he shouldn't have been running his mouth and getting offended by trivial matters. How is he in control of things when someone could literally say something as small as "you look horrendous in red" and he throws a hissy fit? How was anyone threatened or charmed by him? He's one of the most annoying characters now
When the main audience of indie animations are confused children and adults who refuse to act with tact in real life much less their digital lives. You get the success of Hazbo Hotel.
My main bug with the show happened when i watched Epsiode 6. I first listened to You Didn't Know cause many people st my school were listening to that; and decided I might as well give a shot at the epsiode (mainky becauss I didn't care for it enough to watch the whole thing, and I already watched the pilot years ago) And, well... The song felt underwhelming at best and in the way at worst. Cant say just how disappointed I was when I got into it My main problem was that Vaggie got revealed to be an Angel at the beginning/middle of the episode, when the song made it look like nothing about that was said at first. It neutralized the impact of the song so much more than probably intended.
I found it strange that episode one started with a meeting with Heaven. I know the "7 deadly writing sins" Hazbin video described a way the court session in Heaven could've been moved to episode one to first establish a need for the hotel, but Heaven and those from Heaven feel like they should've been endgame, not right out the gate. It's fine to have multiple antagonists, but usually they differ in function to the main plot and characters. Both the Vees and Heaven oppose the Hotel (albeit for different reasons) but it would've been nice to introduce the Vees and other overlords more gradually and just generally keep the focus in Hell, its (Charlie's) people so we understand why Charlie cares about them so much because we're given reasons to ALSO care beyond our main cast, Hell's struggles both on a mundane and a wider political level, etc. Just Hell centered. Maybe have episode 1 first show a yet relatively undamaged Hellscape but an eerie quiet as people hide before the extermination. A few stragglers here and there who maybe died in the last week so don't know what's about to happen. Along with some sinners clearly staying out deliverately in a very self-destructive manner. THEN the extermination hits. We see the carnage and the aftermath. No dialogue. (I maaaaay be ripping the openning scene of Arcane episode 1 off just a little, and I feel it would be appropriate, Hazbin shouldn't be copying Arcane but it isn't exactly NOT a tale of two cities)
As someone who hadn't seen either series, I started with Hazbin Hotel and I just had NO idea what was going on the entire time. There was very little worldbuilding and things seemed to be happening just to happen with no real explanation or complete story beats. I quit around episode 4 or 5 because I was, quite honestly, completely disoriented and had no idea what the point of anything was. Contrast that with Helluva Boss, which I started a few weeks after, wherein I had a blast pretty much right away and binged the entire series (thus far). I might return to Hazbin Hotel now that I have more of an understanding of wtf is going on and what world I'm in, but, yeah I would say Hazbin Hotel is not very newbie friendly at the very least...
Great review on Hazbin Hotel!👍 I think Hazbin Hotel could've been so much better if the plot cuts out the elements that could've been used for next season and just focus on our main cast more if the series has to have 8 episodes. Cut out Adam, the moving of the extermination closer conflict, the heaven plot, and the war battle and save it for next season. I think Season 1 should've just focus on our main cast and let the Vees be the main antagonists, but then again it'll go into clear rewrite territory, but it goes to show that the show's pacing is a mess. But... I still really enjoyed myself watching for what we did get and it is an adult show that feels new and refreshing to see instead of just another clone of another show. I consider Hazbin Hotel an enjoyable mess that I do have a personal connection with in terms of myself being a fan.
Well I hate to say it, but I dont think the show would have gotten much of a second or third season if they tried to do that. It may not have generated enough views and money to be kept on by Amazon. Amazon only allowed 8 episodes, which I think its more impressive that Viv was able to do so much with that is amazing. Generally a standard season is about 12-13 episodes, so she got a bit… shafted there I think. So its not something I’ll hold against the creator.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist General problem is, what is the main plot? Let's say that timeline stays the same, quicker extermination and final battle If redeeming sinners, it should mostly focus on hotel and their growth, so the redemption seems earned, and Charlie will get past "we can talk about it" so they will still fight at the end (then not only would Sir Pentious death be like, woah, he's alive! But also first glimps for the new location) If hells hierarchy, powerplays of Overlords, Lucifer, and fallouts of exterminations should be explored. We get to see shitty ones like V's and what they do, questionable ones like Carmilla and if they will be against the hotel or not. If the whole hell vs heaven conflict, just get rid of Overlords subplot and focus on this one. You can make a story which could be closed in such short time (after all, it is a musical, you can get whole story in 2 hours, and she got 4 to work with), but still be expanded if another season will be greenlit. Like, what type of mentality is that? "Yeah, we might never get the story done if we get cancelled, that's why we will do unfinished one so you will never know the ending if it won't get season 2"? XD
Honestly, from the intro I really thought you were gonna tear into this show, but you were very charitable. I thought you were gonna say you disliked most of it, but you pointed out a lot of things you liked.
Justice for Adam, he doesn't deserve hate at all unlike valentino. It's clear the way Adam is right now, can't be in heaven, and angels don't choose which souls get to heaven, the souls getting in heaven or hell automatically. So Adam wasn't evil soul ten thousands years ago, he may have good soul, but he was just a selfish person,not evil, who doesn't have any knowledge about morals, what's right or wrong, good or bad, he is first man in the environment that morals didn't existed for humanity yet. He didn't ate fruit of knowledge. He get so spoiled in heaven, and become a frat bro. Like common, I love Adam, he is funny, a prankster and troll. He has funny lines that made me laugh "hot as f tho" "guitar solo" and "low blow karen". He doesn't bully anyone in heaven, and doesn't even care about hiding a secret about extermination, if he almost didn't spel the beans in town, and then spel the beans in court, he himself doesn't understand why hiding a secret, he is hiding a secret only because it's Sera's order, but he doesn't understand why, and why winners would care about sinners. In hell sinners that not any better than Adam are more than sinners who deserves a second chance. Alex Brightman voices him. He never voices terrible character, always great, Beetlejuice, Pugsly, Fizzarolli and Sir Pentious. Adam is great and underrated character, he is terrible person, but Alastor, Vox, Velvette are terrible people too, but we love them being evil and fun.
@jeispace9960 where's a difference between between love to hate and hate seriously. Valentino is type of a villain you hate him seriously. Adam is funny and entertaining villain, and you having fun love to hate him and laughing at his funny lines, if you know that's the actual point of Adam. Many people don't get it, they think he was in that way before he get to heaven. But if you pay attention to Adam's story, he is actually an understandable character.
Adam is one of my favorite characters, to me, he is well written villain. Vivienne and some animators and writers wrote on Twitter that he is one of their favorite characters, and how fun they have writing him. A charismatic funny cocky toxic spoiled misogynistic sexist based douchebag that you have fun love to hate. And there is a reason why he is that evil. He wasn't evil when he was alive, he was just a selfish person who fought his wife was made for him in his eyes, because she appeared a little bit later after his birth, and he wanted her to do what he wants, he demanded control, let's not forget that he is first human, he didn't have parents who could teach him a discipline and what's right and wrong, he grew up in the environment that morals for humanity didn't existed yet, when he get to heaven, angels didn't make him realize that he made mistakes in life, becauseif he get automatically in to heaven, angels like "well if he get to heaven that means he is good, let' smake him an archangel because he's first human soul in heaven", and the fact that Lilith didn't submit his will, and later with lucifer exposed earth to the root of all evil, and perhaps possessed his new wife Eve, in Adam's eyes that makes his actions, his idea "that woman are not equals as him but a man's additions who should submit him" look good, when Lilith and Lucifer are villains in his point of view. Also in hazbin hotel he didn't ate the fruit of knowledge, because of this, he didn't gain knowledge, did not allow him to realize his mistakes, and cannot find the difference between good and evil, so he has black and white views. And then angels gave him a royal fancy live, that he will get anithing he wants on the silver platter, and not facing a consequences of his mistakes, and he lived like Kuzco, without love and discipline reveling in power in ten thousands years, so what's why he is so spoiled frat bro and has God complexes, because of the fact he get from angels that he is the first human, a special who gave birth to humanity, reason why Adam is so evil is due to him being spoiled rotten because of how he had the whole world in his favor on how he wanted to see it fit, making him labeled to be too special for his benefit, ironically this makes him more in line with how the original biblical Devil is than Lucifer, having his perfection corrupt him. In first episode what he sayed, he was wrong, but he didn't lied because he genuinely believes in that.
I have no clue why "daddy issues" is such a focus on Charlie. Compared to all other characters made by Viv, Charlie's is more awkwardness than actual daddy issues we tend to see in other shows. Lucifer was literally beyond excited and wanting to do anything for her until her ask of getting a meeting with the Seraph. Her mentioning "But my own father doesn't." is so common with moody teenagers.
@@ragsrare3771 We don't know if they truly plan on making Lilith a villain, which that by itself makes no sense to me in most capacity, but I'm not gonna bother with season 2 to find out. The distant relationship only makes sense in the old pilot 4 years ago.
Well if you watched Helluva Boss, you would know that "daddy issues" seem to be a prevalent theme for Viv's writing, so her writing Charlie this way seems to be her trying to shove Charlie into a box that she's comfortable writing characters into, regardless of if it makes sense or not.
@@ryancarson6962 I have watched, which is why I said *"Compared to all other characters made by Viv"* if you paid attention. Just cause she's "comfortable" writing issues that don't exist, it's not an excuse for terrible writing.
I saw someone mention it seems less like Charlie has daddy issues and more Lucifer has daughter issues. He clearly wants to try to bond with her and she's the one who seems to be trying to avoid doing that because she feels he doesn't understand her, but the fact he's making efforts to kinda makes the term "daddy issues" unfitting for their relationship.
Sir Pentious and his egg squad are the best! And yeah I'm hoping they ante up in the next season. Felt like the first season was them covering everything they could in eight episodes, especially with how condensed these episodes were.
Well thats not exactly the creators fault, its more that Amazon only allowed 8 episodes, which I think its more impressive that Viv was able to do so much with that is amazing. Generally a standard season is about 12-13 episodes, so she got a bit… shafted there I think. So its not something I’ll hold against the creator.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 8 episodes is still enough to at least set the core premise of the Hotel itself and introduce some characters. Instead of focusing on that and main cast, we get nearly 3 different arcs and sub arcs that could've easily been awesome for a whole season on their own. This is plain as day, Viv was impatient with her story and jamming in characters in a clown car and Hazbin is suffering for it.
That is because for some readon Viv work's tend to change the whole premise just because they want even though they have already sold us something completly different. Aparently Viv and his cowriter do it out of nostalgia because when they were kids he and Viv watched lots of telenovelas with their moms (so they changed Helluva to become a telenovela instead of the "The office" kind of comedy about assasins) and Viv watched lost of musicals (and aparently the classic musicals have a lot of info dumps in the songs but it works better because they have more songs to get the public invested too) but it seems the didn't find a balance to make it work after the readjustment because when people critize Viv's work objectively this is what comes out the most.
@@samjohnson1813 yep, the shows have great potential, but still she chose to do this changes because she is the one who wanted to do them, the only detail we can really justify is the pacing because 8 episodes is way too litle for anything so this may have complicated stuff for her, so there is nothing to do about it.
11:00 THANK YOU !!! IVE LITERALLY BEEN SAYING THIS there is literally no reason to have carmilla in this season at all imo cuz like they set up this mystery , reveal it an episode later to be this new character that we've only seen once in the pilot , and then shes not mentioned until episode 7 , which ALSO feels really unearned and out of nowhere , and then shes gone again !!! and the whole "you need to be out or love" thing ? the one with the entire song ? she literally things about how "ill protect you no matter what and ill be your other" in whatever it takes ? yknow ? WITH CARMILLA ????
tbf I am just there for the colours and characters being goofy, I can't even listen to the songs and it has worse whiplash than helluva boss because of the pacing, as well as a few contrivances due to being so short and needing convenient reasons for why the plot can continue. but again, I am there for the colours first and foremost.
I expected better writing and show would learn from its Pilot and Helluva Boss, turns out it's just as juvenile, pseudo adult and like Helluva. I knew if Viv had any control, it would severely impact it and it is literally that. Viv had not improved or took the good faith criticism to heart and improve. Have fun, I'm not gonna be there for shows continuing, already unsubbed from her channel.
You know what would have helped streamline the show considerably? Cut out everything to do with the Overlords outside of our main cast (and those directly tied to them like Valentino & Carmilla) Cut out everything regarding Cannibal Town. Have the Extermination happen but limit the Angels that attack the Hotel to Lute & Adam. They are muscle enough for the entire main cast. There. Now you have a fair chunk of screentime to dedicate to actually fleshing out the main cast and the A-Plot of preparing for the Extermination as well as working towards Charlie's goal that Sinners can be redeemed.
It really makes me happy to see that even people who weren’t fans of/had problems with the show, they couldn’t help but enjoy and appreciate Sir Pentious.
This show was fun, but it does have it's fatal flaws, tbh the only thing that is keeping me on this show is episode 4 with Angel and Husk, that was fun
Just like the last comment, this show is my life (I'm exaggerating), but there are some things that really bother me. I love how you express your opinion without criticizing or just being rude in general. What a great guy! The fact that he even suggested we check it out anyway was awesome!! Cent's not only clear and stating facts, he's a good sport too. Underrated TH-camr overall.
I’m a huuuuge fan of the show but believe me I have major issues with a lot of a the narrative and how easily they coulda done things differently to really reach the shows full potential. I found myself agreeing with almost all of your points and even had ones to spare of my own that you didn’t mention. Prolly also cuz if you did the video would be more than an hour long lol. The show itself is so comforting and interesting to me and I personally love most of the characters but I can definitely tell when something I love has major flaws. So thank you for not sugar coating anything but also giving praise when praise is due. (One example of a flaw that gets under my skin is how Vaggie never thought to even think angels could get hurt by other angels when guess what? She got hurt my another angel and had her eye permanently gouged. Yet she tells Charlie she had absolutely no idea. Like how can she not put two and two together and think that well I was angel and I was hurt by another angel so that means there is a way for an angel or even the weapons and hands of angel to harm other angels WOW. I feel if anyone would know that angels could get hurt and aren’t completely invincible like most of hell thinks they are is a FALLEN ANGEL. Another flaw is Carmillas motivations. She doesn’t want her family hurt so she keeps the secret of the angel dying at her hands so as to not start up a war, yet she sells weapons that could START A WAR even Velvette mentions this. Not to mention she says keeping her family safe is her first priority yet it takes Vaggie less than 2 minutes to convince her to help, seeing as carmilla is a smart overlord I’m guessing she has to know that if she aids in the rebellion heaven is gonna put way more focus on her business jeopardizing her family, business, status as an overlord etc. maybe she just gave in to Vaggie because she really wanted to help but for the the motives that the shows builds up for her it doesn’t make much sense for her to then do the very thing that could have heaven target her specifically like they did the hotel next time. Yes Vaggie says that the hotel can stand beside her but carmilla seems like the type that doesn’t trust easily so it’s weird how that all played out definitely an issue due to the pacing and how carmilla had to be convinced in that short amount of time or the plot wouldn’t move forward. There’s many other details, just wanted to point out some examples.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist oh no I do too, but like it’s said in the video the writers an viv coulda tried to improvise, they could’ve adjusted their story to fit the 8 episode season instead it feels as though they wrote story as they were getting 15-20 episodes. Also I quite like fast paced shows sometimes, that’s why the pacing of hazbin doesn’t bother me that much, but when it leads to underdeveloped moments and characters it’s just a bit of a let down because you just know that if they had a few episodes more those underdeveloped moments and characters coulda reached their full potential. As for the plot holes I noticed that could just be explained away as Carmilla was being nice and Vaggie just didn’t realize, they are still kinda weird details tho. Again I love the show but because I do I notice a lotta flaws.
Can i say that despite being a person that really enjoyed season 1 of Hazbin i mostly agree with your point, and also i really like how grounded your review was, if that makes sense, also 19:12 Sir Pentious is a Overlord wannabe not an actual overlord
I like Hazbin Hotel but there are issues 1 I think they killed off Adam WAY too early imagine if he learned to be more serious with is planing and not to underestamate his enimies and he changes into multiple monsterous variations overtime. 2 While I don't care about cursing it doesn't automatically make your show mature It didn't work for The 2019 Harley Quinn show,not for Ledgends of Chamberlain Hights,and not for Allen Gregory 3 I like Viv's artstyle and this show and Helluva are so far the best looking adult cartoons I've seen as WAY TOO MANY just rip of the Family Guy artstyle but as fellow TH-camr Zerex pointed out in his also really good essay on Hazbin Hotel a lot of the character's wear red and kinda have the same facial and body structres like for example Lucifer,Alaster,Adam,an Sir Pentous all make this shit eating grin Lucifer,Vorx,and Sir Pentous all wear the same buissness suit including a tie Most of the characters have these pointy chins I get it's in Hell but not EVERYTHING needs to be red for example you can make Husk yellow,you can make Angle green,you can make Nifty purple ect 4 I don't really care for some of the side charcters like the Egg Bois who for some reason got an episode instead of someone like Nifty or Husk 5 Nifty just got ROBBED in this season having NO focus episodes and under 20 minutes of screen time which sucks as she was the most entertaining part of the show for me. 6 I think there should've been more of a horror theme Alaster seems PERFECT for this but we never get to see what he can truly do I get it's season one so they didn't want to spoil everything but at least give us SOMETHING SO while I don'i hate this show some of the problems with it still circle around it
18:22 I feel like people forget and I could be wrong but in the first episode of hazbin in the commercial Alastor made he has said “followed by Lucifers delusional daughter Charlotte Morningstar” while that isn’t really anything it kinda makes sense for Charlie as a character???
I'm glad Helluva Boss was around to lower the fandom's expectations. Also, idk why the writers thought introducing Mimzy in Alastor and Lucifer's duet was a good idea. Took a good scene and ruined it.
I agree with you pretty much across the board. Big character moments are predictable yet unearned. It needed about 10 more episodes to flesh everything out. my only disagreement is Sir Pens death, im not torn lol it was almost hate crime. The moment builds for absolutely nothing! The writers wanted their cake and to eat it too. They should have just decided if it needed to *sad* or *funny* going for both was a massive fail
Adam is one of my favorite characters, to me, he is well written villain. Vivienne and some animators and writers wrote on Twitter that he is one of their favorite characters, and how fun they have writing him. A charismatic funny cocky toxic spoiled misogynistic sexist based douchebag that you have fun love to hate. And there is a reason why he is that evil. He wasn't evil when he was alive, he was just a selfish person who fought his wife was made for him in his eyes, because she appeared a little bit later after his birth, and he wanted her to do what he wants, he demanded control, let's not forget that he is first human, he didn't have parents who could teach him a discipline and what's right and wrong, he grew up in the environment that morals for humanity didn't existed yet, when he get to heaven, Sera didn't make him realize that he made mistake, and the fact that Lilith didn't submit his will, and later with lucifer exposed earth to the root of all evil, and perhaps possessed his new wife Eve, in Adam's eyes that makes his actions, his idea "that woman are not equals as him but a man's additions who should submit him" look good, when Lilith and Lucifer are villains in his point of view. Also in hazbin hotel he didn't ate the fruit of knowledge, because of this, he didn't gain knowledge, did not allow him to realize his mistakes, and cannot find the difference between good and evil, so he has black and white views. And then Sera gives him a royal fancy live, that he will get anithing he wants on the silver platter, and not facing a consequences of his mistakes, and he lived like Kuzco, without love and discipline reveling in power in ten thousands years, so what's why he is so spoiled frat bro and has God complexes, because of the fact he get from Sera and Elders that he is the first human, a special who gave birth to humanity, reason why Adam is so evil is due to him being spoiled rotten because of how he had the whole world in his favor on how he wanted to see it fit, making him labeled to be too special for his benefit, ironically this makes him more in line with how the original biblical Devil is than Lucifer, having his perfection corrupt him. In first episode what he sayed, he was wrong, but he didn't lied because he genuinely believes in that.
I would have loved it in the show if there was a sinner where he wants to join the hotel but gets constantly killed, ignored or pushed out of the picture. Not only would that be funny and creates a on goin character gag
I like the show, LOVE the music. But honestly I completely agree with you. The show was held back by the limited number of episodes. Pacing is blink & you'll miss it. Events happen in such a way you feel like you've missed half a season, & characters get super limited development; if any at all. It needed more episodes to really live up to the obvious vision that was there. It was like they edited a novel to fit inside a greeting card.
I have to disagree with the husk and angel part, husk shouldn’t have been pointing out everyone’s problems. Like u want ppl to open up to u but go out of ur way to expose them to everyone and basically make them feel like shit. Angel dust needs to stop treating everyone like shit and also learn what boundaries r and not sexually harass husk and act all innocent abt it like like he did nothing wrong, his trauma doesn’t give him an excuse to do that and the fact he got mad at husk for pushing him off after he literally violated those boundaries pissed me tf off. Also the loser baby song although fire it’s pretty offensive and doesn’t take the SA/r@pe situation seriously 🤦🏽♀️
3:55 You want a problem that is a better example of that or this case worse? Watch Rooster Teeth’s failed show Gen:Lock. I want someone to analyze it cause of the controversy surrounding it and how besides RWBY, no one really talks about it that much
I am a HUGGGEEEE fan of hazbin hotel, but I actually heavily agree with MOST of the things you say here! One of the biggest ones being episode 5 where Charlie's "daddy issues" get resolved within a single episode. I even asked myself out loud how that could happen when I watched it. I also agree with the cherri bomb x sirpentious thing. Yeah, sure, it's cute and all. Enemies turned lovers or whatever. But it's very overused and we JUST got used to sirpentious as a character in season 1. And now he serves a whole other purpose when it comes to character development. The pacing was also pretty bad. Anyway, in conclusion, Im a huge fan of hazbin hotel and love itl but it has flaws. Out of all the characters, Sirpentious probably has the best character writing and I like niffty's writing as well simply because there ISNT any and that she's just super simple as of now.
18:36 I think we'll wait at least really would help alistair's character here is give him that one moment that one moment of betrayal not need to be big but you didn't need to at least have her feel like that even if he's helping her out this dude still isn't a good guy different moment that Rick usually gives Morty when you think that he cares just a little but he does something either messed up or stupid they just make you really see who he is at the best example that I can give is that scene in season 3 vindicators episode when Morty will not ride the check if Rick really cares about him ultimately it was bull crap I give him a moment like that that is the best example that can give well the point that I'm trying to make entirely is he is not Charlie's friend he is her co-worker and doing this entirely out of his own benefit if he gets bored or don't care again just like that
The singing.....the DAMNED SINGING..... To me...having a musical number tossed in every damn episode is the mark of lazy writing....and if I remember correctly, THERE'S TWO PER EPISODE. Now dont get me wrong, there are musicals with excellent writing, but thats because theres enough of a break in between each song to get the story moving. Hazbin's just feel like a lazy cop-out and Jesus-H-Christ does it show. Also......as much as it kills me to say it, Lucifer and Alastor really disappointed me. I was looking forward to some serious badassery....we got goofballs.
As much as I like this show, I will admit that it’s flawed due to is pacing and how it focuses on other plots rather than the main plot of Charlie’s plan to redeem sinners, I wish Viv would learn to take criticisms and maybe some of these problems will be fixed
Wo ever said that the show was only about the redemption? I assumed it at the beginning too. But it was made clear that the exterminaton will be a huge thing multible times after Happy day in Hell. Charlie has the hopes of getting them redeemed but Adam crushes that more or less right in the first episode by telling her about the extermination. She's still trying but surviving is more important at this point of the story. The first episode is the worst of them. I agree on that. Actually for me the show really strts with episode 4. My bro tho who didn't see the Pilot didn't need explanations on the characters and the setup, so I think because some things are explained differently than in the pilot we think it's not undersandable, but the info is there, scattered into the first two episodes. I still am sad about the fact that the series was so rushed. It really takes away from it. But in my humble and unpopular opinion Mimzy fits very well into that episode.
It also doesn’t help that the swearing is so overused in HH I like Rick and Morty's comedy because they actually say funny things instead of just swearing 24/7
Well thought out and honest take. I respectfully disagree on some points. The vees are the reason Sir P. goes to the hotel. Emily is an angel (Entities created for a job while humans work jobs for love or necessary) she gives insight to what Charlie could have been(bring joy to human souls) and why she is like a sheep dog attempting to heard birds.
Could someone explain why, I haven't actually watched the show yet because I don't have prime and I've tried to learn all I can about the show via TH-cam
Hey, your video was pretty good, and enjoyable to listen to, but your speech impediment has been making it less enjoyable and has at times taken me out of "the flow" or something. I hope you can take care of that.
My problem with the show is that its premise is the destroyed from the 1st episode The designs are unappealing and the writing is mediocre. The pilot had none of these
I will completely say as a Christian and as someone who pays close attention to what's going on in popular culture, Hazbin Hotel is extremely disappointing and very poorly made, despite having enormous potential. On paper, Hazbin Hotel actually has a pretty good concept. Charlie the princess of hell wants to make peace with Heaven by opening a hotel to redeem sinners actually sounds like a pretty good idea. I thought it was working up until after the 6th episode, then the show became a complete mask off nightmare where it was clearly written by a morally and spiritually bankrupt, possibly agnostic, woke liberal feminists] who forgot that the plot of the show was about redemption from sin, and instead made it about justification for sin. The fact that she used demons as the protagonist of both her shows (This and Helluva Boss) is a massive warning flag I should have heeded. Further evidence that this show was written by a feminist who is a massive misandrist (redundant, I know) is that the "antagonist" of the show is Adam, the First Man and leader of the exorcist army who is chauvinistic, foul mouthed, prideful, and crass. Despite these objectively negative qualities, HH is desperately trying to paint him as a villain, but he comes off as the actual hero of the show. I can't see him as any other way, because the show wants to challenge me with a perception of demons being innocent victims and Angels be murdering monsters. NO. As a Christian that's not going to fly with me. Angels and good and demons are evil; only a godless liberal would think otherwise. I completely HATE the idea of demons being able to use Angelic weapons. The Angelic weapons should be like Holy Relics and burn them upon first touch, or the blessings from them should just disappear after use. There's no reason to give Angels their own version of kryptonite because of their own weapons. Clearly these crap writers never did any research on what really happens when demons interact with actual Holy Relics. They are burned by them and fear Holy things like fire. That's really what should have happened. Plus, after the unnecessary war with heaven and the slaughtering of Adam, the show destroyed its own plot, and made it completely pointless. Why would Charlie and the gang ever want to continue building a hotel to redeem sinners after, going to war with heaven, not getting their backing, and killing off the first man (a not so subtle message about taking down the patriarchy). Charlie could not get heaven's backing in the sixth episode, and why and how could she get it now? She can't. It's impossible now. They are are all war criminals and Heaven's greatest enemies now. They deserve nothing but punishment now. Plus, despite her wishes to redeem sinners, she can't do it by default of being the devil's daughter. Redemption only comes from God (who is bizarrely absent from the show altogether). No other way is possible. Makes me feel sorry for her in that way. Nothing about this show makes any sense, and it's completely pointless now. I know that a season 2 is in production, but there's no point to it. The season 1 finale played out like a series finale, and now it's a dead show.
I don’t agree with you calling Vivziepop a misandrist. Anyone familiar with her work is aware that she has received a lot of criticism for the treatment of her female characters. She gives her male characters way more focus, depth and attention than her female characters many who can usually be boiled down to a single word such as protector (Carmilla, Vaggie) or just a satellite to a male character (Millie). She cannot write female characters well. If anything she’s misogynistic lmao
Wait, so Adam's negative qualities make you feel as if he's the hero? Yikes #1. 2, how does having a male villain prove that Vivienne's a misandrist? If anything, she's more leaning toward misogyny with her work and it seems you are too.
this was copy-pasted either from or in another video about hazbin hotel. i believe it was you who copy pasted your own comment, but i can't imagine why.
@@MoonlightBrillance sexism is sexism, it's very rare for a person to be only a misogynist or only a misandrist. the two are usually interlinked to some capacity. so i can't say i agree with your assessment or at least this reasoning. that said i don't know viv very well para-socially and def not otherwise. so, admittedly, i can't say anything of value on her character.
I started thinking this season is bad when we got Charlie's and Lucyfer's song about their relationship, when we didn't get any of it before, only mentioning it and flashback in that song. It was so boring, it needed at least few episodes of development. And I didn't liked most of Charlie's songs, they were too boring and calm.
There are no Rick and Morty clones what are you talking about? the only thing that I can think of is solar opposites. "If you look at the broader visual landscape of Western television animation" if you actually watched a lot of adult Western animation you wouldn't say that. There's more to the West in America.
I liked it but it is flawed. Definitely needs more pacing. I like Charlie and the others, and the worldbuilding is awesome but it needs more time to grow. Hopefully season 2 gets that.
I thought this is another "Show Baddddd" clone, but you have rationally legit Criticism, like me preferring BCS over BrBa in everything, some people prefer BrBa and that's okay
Obviously this show was just on a time crunch, if Viv never put it toward a major streaming property they would have gotten more time on it if it were still on TH-cam, but it might end up being longer to make without marketing. (I haven't watched this video because I'm sick of reviewers on this topic without considering the hardships.) So blame the corporate and not Viv. We waited long enough.
0:30 so from the very start you knew its not for you, and thats fine, its ok, im not in to soap operas or politics, not everything need be for everyone, recognising that is healthy.
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'Cursing and adult jokes doesn't automatically make your show or your subject matter mature.'
THANK YOU!!!
I am so glad someone said this.
Craziest thing is that X-Men '97 despite being TV-14 actually seems way more mature ngl
YES
it honestly feels as if they took a kids show with mature themes (atla for example) and reversed it, making it an immature show for adults
If I were to be honest here I enjoyed hazbin hotel coming from someone that never watched the pilot (ironic I know) but at the same time I agree with the issue regarding pacing and character motivations. because on one hand Charlie wanting to give folks some sort of redemption seems like a solid concept but the show barley focuses on the hotel and we never see why Charlie is so passionate about this goal along with the whole war with heaven thing like this should've had more build up if anything but it's just revealed that she's killed by some nobody which we barley see like bruh
Yeah the show in it's current form was juggling a lot. But I feel in season 2 things may be smoother but we'll have to wait and see.
The war I think is a way to show it's viable. In order for a plan to work you have to show it can be done, and defeating the exorcists and ascending pentious did that.
Yep, "no build up, no pay off" is one of the most prominent problems of the show, it not only affect the plot but even the songs suffer from that.
My problem is that with Alastor, they tried building up all this mystery and mystique without ever really...well....introducing him properly? They never give you any time from the start to see him faking sincerity. He's always in "wow, kinda suspect" mode all the time past the pilot
They BODIED Alastor. He went from sinister and southern charm to bratty and sass queen. Lìke.....he's supposed to be manipulative? He's SO OBVIOUS. If he's a deal demon it's a miracle he made it to overlord status being a deal maker, because he's not charming or convincing at all.....
@@roxycauldwell544 Yeah. In the pilot, they took him way less serious which I think is the best way to handle a character like Alastor. You can tell he was a bit sketchy, but he didn't come off as flat out sinister as he did in the full show. He lost his charm
@@roxycauldwell544some people said that happened because Viv didn't wanted him to be morw popular than Charlie so they changed him so people will be less interested in him and more in Charlie, if this is true I think it is hilarious that Charlie is still not the first character people think of when someone says "Hazbin Hotel" 😂
@@karentorresalfaro3371wow if that's true then that REALLY sucks. I said before if you have to water down or dumb down your characters then, I don't think that's good writing or characterization. Besides, so many shows have likeable main characters but side characters leave a bigger impact on the audience. That wasn't necessary to do because Alastor was probably her best character, but now he's just a bratty sassy edge lord who probably suffers from "daddy issues" too. Pilot Alastor takes the cake for me
@@karentorresalfaro3371the fact that characters that have one or two episodes are more popular than her and viv quite literally destroyed other characters to make her the center of attention (which didn’t work) is so funny to me💀💀💀
I very much agree about your point about Charlie in heaven to stop the extermination and then Sera was like 'No one should know about the extermination' Like why are you talking about this in court full of Angels. It could have just been a private meeting with her and Adam (and Lute) 11:53
I just noticed how that plot doesn't really make sense. Even if in the court , lets say Adam wasn't even there, it will still reveal the extermination because of Charlie. Or Adam is just there for the Vaggie Angel reveal i guess.
she came to heaven to talk about the hotel and how sinners can be redeemed .and it was lucifer who set up the meeting and all the higher ups were called
@@Lost_G4mingthat doesn't discount their points. The Extermination would be necessarily discussed as the Hotel is specifically a proposed alternative... Sera knew this would be happening, made sure Adam didn't discuss it, yet still allowed all the other court angels appear despite this knowledge... All the while she could have teleported Charlie and Vaggie away just like she did with Adam and Lute, talking about the Hotel proposal, observing Angel Dust, and dismissing them as he isn't there as a redeemed Winner, all the while keeping Exterminations a secret from Heaven and most importantly Emily.
Why does almost every single main character have a bow tie
to avoid drawing necks I think?
its something dealing with the animation
They are all high class.
Hazbin Hotel really aged like milk to me. And I was looking forward to it after the pilot :(
Despite me loving this show to death, (No pun intended!)I’m not denying for a second it’s flawed. The break-neck pacing and amount of cramming in a single episode can get SUPER overwhelming. Great vid Cent!
My thoughts EXACTLY.
Well thats not exactly the creators fault, its more that Amazon only allowed 8 episodes, which I think its more impressive that Viv was able to do so much with that is amazing.
Generally a standard season is about 12-13 episodes, so she got a bit… shafted there I think.
So its not something I’ll hold against the creator.
Agreed. No fault on Viv, you can tell by the passion she tried her absolute best to make it work.
Edit: This is just about the episode count and runtime, the amount of characters and plot lines introduced was up to her.
Nah full fault on the show's creative team. Please stop making excuses for them having a badly paced season. They could have done much more with an 8 ep 20 min season- they decided though to have it be speed rushed as priority was placed on the Heaven war plotline. It could still have been as successful with a slice of life/character drama and sin exploration feel with that same time limit.
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Sure but such a story wouldnt generate the same views or… profits most likely, aside from the core Pilot fans.
Its on Amazon not the creators, most standard animation industry gives 12-13 as a minimum, some shows have been given 24-26 episodes for a season.
Amazon cheaped out a bit.
What irks me a lot is this show's lack of logic. Especially when it comes to the Exorcists
Yep, thanks to the lack of logic Vaggie is canonically stupid and Charlie doesn’t really knows how to read people's emotions or understand them.
What specifically did you find logically inconsistent or unusual
@xXFluffers vaggie an ex angel/ exorcist not knowing angels/exorcist could be hurt buy angelic weapons despite her having her eye ripped out by an angelic sword?, or how we ate supposed to believe that all the exorcists being ridiculously murderous got into heaven? Did they only jist become that way after heaven? Or how they kept the extermination a secret despite hundreds if not thousands of angels being exorcists did they all never once mention that? And that's just a few
@@xXFluffersaccording to vivzie, sinners can only truly “die” by angelic weapon, if not they just respawn, the hellborn can’t be hurt by angelic weapons (as brought up by Lute “the only reason you’re still alive is because daddy gave you and your hellborn subjects a pardon from an exorcist blade.”) and angels can’t be hurt at all by anything other than angelic weapons. There are multiple instances where this is completely ignored, especially in the battle scene.
1. Razzle, one of Charlie’s hellborn dragon pets, is killed by an exorcist blade
2. Lute gets her arm ripped off after being trapped under some rubble
3. Adam almost kills Lucifer AND Charlie with an exorcist blade
4. The lineup for Sir Pentious’s death, Pentious tries to kill adam with a lazer knowing damn well he can only be hurt by angelic weapons
@@Theomorispider I'll respond to these one by one
1. The idea isn't that hellborn are immune to angelic weapons, it's that heaven agreed to not harm any hellborn in their exterminations. We know that hellborn are in fact very susceptible to angelic weapons because we see them being used by hellborn to kill other hellborn in helluva boss.
2. This is a valid point, although I think the disbelief can be pretty easily suspended here. To be totally fair, she technically ripped her own arm off, it was trapped under rubble and she pulled until it tore off. I don't think the intention was to portray as angels as actually invincible from an objective standpoint, just that no one in hell knew angels could be hurt, period. It's possible that angels aren't invincible at all, they're just really damn tough.
3. I don't really understand this point. Adam broke the deal that heaven made with hell. That's the whole point of his attack, he's defying the will of heaven over a personal vendetta.
4. It's possible that his lazer was powered by some kind of angelic energy. Angelic weapons also take the forms of guns and explosives, so I don't see why an angel laser beam is out of the question.
Great vid Cent!
The "duet" between Carmilla and Vaggie in "Whatever it takes" would have been a great foreshadowing betwen the interaction of both but the uneven Pacing of the story makes their subsequent meeting feel less impactful. The story instead of feeling like a larger cohesive one feels like we do take pitstops to see each of the characters develop, then move on to the next thing. I can understand why the show is popular and let's hope the second part, season (?) does fix those issues.
Hazbin Hotel is a huge disappointment
It could've been a fantastic show... and it nearly scratched the surface
And I hate people using the excuse "oh they were screwed by the studio! They didn't know they would have a second season"
Shut up. Just shut up. No matter how many episodes you have, you work with what you got. It doesn't matter if they would have a second season or not. You make a proper plot first and develop more later
The show isn't flawed because of the studio or because they had 8 episodes. No, the show is flawed because is like nobody in that team seen to know how to write
Agreed. They needed to desperately cut out things that didn’t matter, and write over things that made no sense.
Exactly. You can tell that it would've had similar results even if they had more time, just look at Helluva Boss and its sporadic writing.
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Sporadic and repetitive, it has been reduced to a bad drama about Blitzo's love life and i am sick and tired of it!
Also, they did know. Because season two was mentioned in the first trailer for Hazbin. So they have literally no excuse.
@@beaniegorll2759 what things all things I saw in the show matter and make sense
I wish they didn’t give Alastor an obvious ego that people can sometimes take advantage of and other times can’t. like he negatively reacts to Lucifer calling him an has-been and when he gets told his idea for the hotel name is stupid, which should be extremely trivial for someone with his supposed status and renown. he also gets offended when Carmella doesn’t care where he’s been, which doesn’t really make sense because why would he care what she thinks if he’s so sure of himself? Isn’t his whole persona a smile that “keeps his enemies guessing” and keeps him in control? if he can be so easily hurt by simple digs at his character, then why does anyone fear him? insecurity in villains shouldn’t be shown until like big moments in their arcs, such as at the end where his ego almost got him killed by Adam and he’s understandably freaking out. you show cocky villains at their best before tearing them down to their actual level. he barely did anything this season besides talk about how dangerous he is, and kill a few low level demons before getting destroyed by one guy in arguably his debut fight scene. he’s like King in One Punch Man, someone who has all this credit to their name for killing monsters, when really it’s just an act that people believe which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy whenever his strength is challenged, so I don’t feel like his renown is justified in the slightest
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Right, Alastor was done so dirty. He was literally built up to be a dangerous and manipulative character. He talked a big game throughout the season only to get folded minutes later. People are saying it's because he doesn't have his full power but if that's true then it was handled poorly. I don't know any villain (serious villain) who runs his/her mouth and not be able to back it up. Thanos, evaporated half of the universe, Ganondorf, wielder of the triforce of power, Dio, Aizen, Eren. Like, these are heavy hitting villains who can talk the talk and walk the walk. If Alastor knew he wasn't at his full strength then he shouldn't have been running his mouth and getting offended by trivial matters. How is he in control of things when someone could literally say something as small as "you look horrendous in red" and he throws a hissy fit? How was anyone threatened or charmed by him? He's one of the most annoying characters now
Centrilo is right. The whole season is a flop but yet despite that, it is still popular. Maybe because people are desperate for new things.
When the main audience of indie animations are confused children and adults who refuse to act with tact in real life much less their digital lives. You get the success of Hazbo Hotel.
If you learn to observe then maybe you can start forming perspectives different from your own.
A flop? What… this show is probably one of the best things to come out this year.
Its a favorite of mine since stuff like Rwby, Owl House, She Ra.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist"RWBY" 💀 says enough about you being unable to know what good writing is
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What? Its a great show? I wont say there arent some things I think were badly handled but overall its amazing.
My main bug with the show happened when i watched Epsiode 6. I first listened to You Didn't Know cause many people st my school were listening to that; and decided I might as well give a shot at the epsiode (mainky becauss I didn't care for it enough to watch the whole thing, and I already watched the pilot years ago)
And, well... The song felt underwhelming at best and in the way at worst. Cant say just how disappointed I was when I got into it
My main problem was that Vaggie got revealed to be an Angel at the beginning/middle of the episode, when the song made it look like nothing about that was said at first. It neutralized the impact of the song so much more than probably intended.
I found it strange that episode one started with a meeting with Heaven. I know the "7 deadly writing sins" Hazbin video described a way the court session in Heaven could've been moved to episode one to first establish a need for the hotel, but Heaven and those from Heaven feel like they should've been endgame, not right out the gate.
It's fine to have multiple antagonists, but usually they differ in function to the main plot and characters. Both the Vees and Heaven oppose the Hotel (albeit for different reasons) but it would've been nice to introduce the Vees and other overlords more gradually and just generally keep the focus in Hell, its (Charlie's) people so we understand why Charlie cares about them so much because we're given reasons to ALSO care beyond our main cast, Hell's struggles both on a mundane and a wider political level, etc. Just Hell centered. Maybe have episode 1 first show a yet relatively undamaged Hellscape but an eerie quiet as people hide before the extermination. A few stragglers here and there who maybe died in the last week so don't know what's about to happen. Along with some sinners clearly staying out deliverately in a very self-destructive manner. THEN the extermination hits. We see the carnage and the aftermath. No dialogue.
(I maaaaay be ripping the openning scene of Arcane episode 1 off just a little, and I feel it would be appropriate, Hazbin shouldn't be copying Arcane but it isn't exactly NOT a tale of two cities)
You watched Roaming's video? I loved it! The intro was FIRE!!
As someone who hadn't seen either series, I started with Hazbin Hotel and I just had NO idea what was going on the entire time. There was very little worldbuilding and things seemed to be happening just to happen with no real explanation or complete story beats. I quit around episode 4 or 5 because I was, quite honestly, completely disoriented and had no idea what the point of anything was.
Contrast that with Helluva Boss, which I started a few weeks after, wherein I had a blast pretty much right away and binged the entire series (thus far). I might return to Hazbin Hotel now that I have more of an understanding of wtf is going on and what world I'm in, but, yeah I would say Hazbin Hotel is not very newbie friendly at the very least...
Great review on Hazbin Hotel!👍
I think Hazbin Hotel could've been so much better if the plot cuts out the elements that could've been used for next season and just focus on our main cast more if the series has to have 8 episodes. Cut out Adam, the moving of the extermination closer conflict, the heaven plot, and the war battle and save it for next season. I think Season 1 should've just focus on our main cast and let the Vees be the main antagonists, but then again it'll go into clear rewrite territory, but it goes to show that the show's pacing is a mess.
But... I still really enjoyed myself watching for what we did get and it is an adult show that feels new and refreshing to see instead of just another clone of another show. I consider Hazbin Hotel an enjoyable mess that I do have a personal connection with in terms of myself being a fan.
Well I hate to say it, but I dont think the show would have gotten much of a second or third season if they tried to do that.
It may not have generated enough views and money to be kept on by Amazon.
Amazon only allowed 8 episodes, which I think its more impressive that Viv was able to do so much with that is amazing.
Generally a standard season is about 12-13 episodes, so she got a bit… shafted there I think.
So its not something I’ll hold against the creator.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist General problem is, what is the main plot? Let's say that timeline stays the same, quicker extermination and final battle
If redeeming sinners, it should mostly focus on hotel and their growth, so the redemption seems earned, and Charlie will get past "we can talk about it" so they will still fight at the end (then not only would Sir Pentious death be like, woah, he's alive! But also first glimps for the new location)
If hells hierarchy, powerplays of Overlords, Lucifer, and fallouts of exterminations should be explored. We get to see shitty ones like V's and what they do, questionable ones like Carmilla and if they will be against the hotel or not.
If the whole hell vs heaven conflict, just get rid of Overlords subplot and focus on this one.
You can make a story which could be closed in such short time (after all, it is a musical, you can get whole story in 2 hours, and she got 4 to work with), but still be expanded if another season will be greenlit. Like, what type of mentality is that? "Yeah, we might never get the story done if we get cancelled, that's why we will do unfinished one so you will never know the ending if it won't get season 2"? XD
Honestly, from the intro I really thought you were gonna tear into this show, but you were very charitable. I thought you were gonna say you disliked most of it, but you pointed out a lot of things you liked.
Justice for Adam, he doesn't deserve hate at all unlike valentino. It's clear the way Adam is right now, can't be in heaven, and angels don't choose which souls get to heaven, the souls getting in heaven or hell automatically. So Adam wasn't evil soul ten thousands years ago, he may have good soul, but he was just a selfish person,not evil, who doesn't have any knowledge about morals, what's right or wrong, good or bad, he is first man in the environment that morals didn't existed for humanity yet. He didn't ate fruit of knowledge. He get so spoiled in heaven, and become a frat bro. Like common, I love Adam, he is funny, a prankster and troll. He has funny lines that made me laugh "hot as f tho" "guitar solo" and "low blow karen". He doesn't bully anyone in heaven, and doesn't even care about hiding a secret about extermination, if he almost didn't spel the beans in town, and then spel the beans in court, he himself doesn't understand why hiding a secret, he is hiding a secret only because it's Sera's order, but he doesn't understand why, and why winners would care about sinners. In hell sinners that not any better than Adam are more than sinners who deserves a second chance. Alex Brightman voices him. He never voices terrible character, always great, Beetlejuice, Pugsly, Fizzarolli and Sir Pentious. Adam is great and underrated character, he is terrible person, but Alastor, Vox, Velvette are terrible people too, but we love them being evil and fun.
Yeah to be honest, only continued to watch the show for Adam. Now I've gotta stay for Lute.
lol adam is designed to be a beloved hateable character. go online anywhere you’ll see people hating to love him. not sure what you’re going on about.
@jeispace9960 where's a difference between between love to hate and hate seriously. Valentino is type of a villain you hate him seriously. Adam is funny and entertaining villain, and you having fun love to hate him and laughing at his funny lines, if you know that's the actual point of Adam. Many people don't get it, they think he was in that way before he get to heaven. But if you pay attention to Adam's story, he is actually an understandable character.
Adam is one of my favorite characters, to me, he is well written villain. Vivienne and some animators and writers wrote on Twitter that he is one of their favorite characters, and how fun they have writing him. A charismatic funny cocky toxic spoiled misogynistic sexist based douchebag that you have fun love to hate. And there is a reason why he is that evil. He wasn't evil when he was alive, he was just a selfish person who fought his wife was made for him in his eyes, because she appeared a little bit later after his birth, and he wanted her to do what he wants, he demanded control, let's not forget that he is first human, he didn't have parents who could teach him a discipline and what's right and wrong, he grew up in the environment that morals for humanity didn't existed yet, when he get to heaven, angels didn't make him realize that he made mistakes in life, becauseif he get automatically in to heaven, angels like "well if he get to heaven that means he is good, let' smake him an archangel because he's first human soul in heaven", and the fact that Lilith didn't submit his will, and later with lucifer exposed earth to the root of all evil, and perhaps possessed his new wife Eve, in Adam's eyes that makes his actions, his idea "that woman are not equals as him but a man's additions who should submit him" look good, when Lilith and Lucifer are villains in his point of view. Also in hazbin hotel he didn't ate the fruit of knowledge, because of this, he didn't gain knowledge, did not allow him to realize his mistakes, and cannot find the difference between good and evil, so he has black and white views. And then angels gave him a royal fancy live, that he will get anithing he wants on the silver platter, and not facing a consequences of his mistakes, and he lived like Kuzco, without love and discipline reveling in power in ten thousands years, so what's why he is so spoiled frat bro and has God complexes, because of the fact he get from angels that he is the first human, a special who gave birth to humanity, reason why Adam is so evil is due to him being spoiled rotten because of how he had the whole world in his favor on how he wanted to see it fit, making him labeled to be too special for his benefit, ironically this makes him more in line with how the original biblical Devil is than Lucifer, having his perfection corrupt him. In first episode what he sayed, he was wrong, but he didn't lied because he genuinely believes in that.
Adam is annoying 2 dimensional character. I don't know why people still love him
I have no clue why "daddy issues" is such a focus on Charlie. Compared to all other characters made by Viv, Charlie's is more awkwardness than actual daddy issues we tend to see in other shows. Lucifer was literally beyond excited and wanting to do anything for her until her ask of getting a meeting with the Seraph.
Her mentioning "But my own father doesn't." is so common with moody teenagers.
If her mom didn’t turn out to be villain then this hold distance relationship with Lucifer would not make sense
@@ragsrare3771 We don't know if they truly plan on making Lilith a villain, which that by itself makes no sense to me in most capacity, but I'm not gonna bother with season 2 to find out. The distant relationship only makes sense in the old pilot 4 years ago.
Well if you watched Helluva Boss, you would know that "daddy issues" seem to be a prevalent theme for Viv's writing, so her writing Charlie this way seems to be her trying to shove Charlie into a box that she's comfortable writing characters into, regardless of if it makes sense or not.
@@ryancarson6962 I have watched, which is why I said *"Compared to all other characters made by Viv"* if you paid attention. Just cause she's "comfortable" writing issues that don't exist, it's not an excuse for terrible writing.
I saw someone mention it seems less like Charlie has daddy issues and more Lucifer has daughter issues. He clearly wants to try to bond with her and she's the one who seems to be trying to avoid doing that because she feels he doesn't understand her, but the fact he's making efforts to kinda makes the term "daddy issues" unfitting for their relationship.
damn hazbin hotel straight up rwby once again
Pacing issues is the main cause most people indicated, and I agree
Sir Pentious and his egg squad are the best! And yeah I'm hoping they ante up in the next season. Felt like the first season was them covering everything they could in eight episodes, especially with how condensed these episodes were.
It would be nice to see Sir Pentious and how he is doing in heaven. Pretty sure that's a given for the next season.
Well thats not exactly the creators fault, its more that Amazon only allowed 8 episodes, which I think its more impressive that Viv was able to do so much with that is amazing.
Generally a standard season is about 12-13 episodes, so she got a bit… shafted there I think.
So its not something I’ll hold against the creator.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 8 episodes is still enough to at least set the core premise of the Hotel itself and introduce some characters.
Instead of focusing on that and main cast, we get nearly 3 different arcs and sub arcs that could've easily been awesome for a whole season on their own.
This is plain as day, Viv was impatient with her story and jamming in characters in a clown car and Hazbin is suffering for it.
I lost any interest after watching both. What we got seemed completely different from the pilots.
Yeah to be honest, it feels so odd and off. I feel like the pilot is better written and charming than the actual series.
That is because for some readon Viv work's tend to change the whole premise just because they want even though they have already sold us something completly different. Aparently Viv and his cowriter do it out of nostalgia because when they were kids he and Viv watched lots of telenovelas with their moms (so they changed Helluva to become a telenovela instead of the "The office" kind of comedy about assasins) and Viv watched lost of musicals (and aparently the classic musicals have a lot of info dumps in the songs but it works better because they have more songs to get the public invested too) but it seems the didn't find a balance to make it work after the readjustment because when people critize Viv's work objectively this is what comes out the most.
@@karentorresalfaro3371 yeah. I gathered all that. It was a shame to see this happen to Viv.
@@samjohnson1813 yep, the shows have great potential, but still she chose to do this changes because she is the one who wanted to do them, the only detail we can really justify is the pacing because 8 episodes is way too litle for anything so this may have complicated stuff for her, so there is nothing to do about it.
11:00 THANK YOU !!! IVE LITERALLY BEEN SAYING THIS there is literally no reason to have carmilla in this season at all imo cuz like they set up this mystery , reveal it an episode later to be this new character that we've only seen once in the pilot , and then shes not mentioned until episode 7 , which ALSO feels really unearned and out of nowhere , and then shes gone again !!!
and the whole "you need to be out or love" thing ? the one with the entire song ? she literally things about how "ill protect you no matter what and ill be your other" in whatever it takes ? yknow ? WITH CARMILLA ????
Piss poor character development, a story that can't stay focused on its main plot, and mix messaging. Those are my gripes with this show.
tbf I am just there for the colours and characters being goofy, I can't even listen to the songs and it has worse whiplash than helluva boss because of the pacing, as well as a few contrivances due to being so short and needing convenient reasons for why the plot can continue. but again, I am there for the colours first and foremost.
I expected better writing and show would learn from its Pilot and Helluva Boss, turns out it's just as juvenile, pseudo adult and like Helluva. I knew if Viv had any control, it would severely impact it and it is literally that. Viv had not improved or took the good faith criticism to heart and improve.
Have fun, I'm not gonna be there for shows continuing, already unsubbed from her channel.
totally understand 👍
You know what would have helped streamline the show considerably?
Cut out everything to do with the Overlords outside of our main cast (and those directly tied to them like Valentino & Carmilla)
Cut out everything regarding Cannibal Town. Have the Extermination happen but limit the Angels that attack the Hotel to Lute & Adam. They are muscle enough for the entire main cast.
There. Now you have a fair chunk of screentime to dedicate to actually fleshing out the main cast and the A-Plot of preparing for the Extermination as well as working towards Charlie's goal that Sinners can be redeemed.
It really makes me happy to see that even people who weren’t fans of/had problems with the show, they couldn’t help but enjoy and appreciate Sir Pentious.
I liked it, it was great. Excited for season 2!!
This show was fun, but it does have it's fatal flaws, tbh the only thing that is keeping me on this show is episode 4 with Angel and Husk, that was fun
Just like the last comment, this show is my life (I'm exaggerating), but there are some things that really bother me. I love how you express your opinion without criticizing or just being rude in general. What a great guy!
The fact that he even suggested we check it out anyway was awesome!!
Cent's not only clear and stating facts, he's a good sport too. Underrated TH-camr overall.
Thanks! Even if I'm not a fan of the thing I'm critiquing I try to be as fair and good faith as possible.
I’m a huuuuge fan of the show but believe me I have major issues with a lot of a the narrative and how easily they coulda done things differently to really reach the shows full potential. I found myself agreeing with almost all of your points and even had ones to spare of my own that you didn’t mention. Prolly also cuz if you did the video would be more than an hour long lol. The show itself is so comforting and interesting to me and I personally love most of the characters but I can definitely tell when something I love has major flaws. So thank you for not sugar coating anything but also giving praise when praise is due. (One example of a flaw that gets under my skin is how Vaggie never thought to even think angels could get hurt by other angels when guess what? She got hurt my another angel and had her eye permanently gouged. Yet she tells Charlie she had absolutely no idea. Like how can she not put two and two together and think that well I was angel and I was hurt by another angel so that means there is a way for an angel or even the weapons and hands of angel to harm other angels WOW. I feel if anyone would know that angels could get hurt and aren’t completely invincible like most of hell thinks they are is a FALLEN ANGEL. Another flaw is Carmillas motivations. She doesn’t want her family hurt so she keeps the secret of the angel dying at her hands so as to not start up a war, yet she sells weapons that could START A WAR even Velvette mentions this. Not to mention she says keeping her family safe is her first priority yet it takes Vaggie less than 2 minutes to convince her to help, seeing as carmilla is a smart overlord I’m guessing she has to know that if she aids in the rebellion heaven is gonna put way more focus on her business jeopardizing her family, business, status as an overlord etc. maybe she just gave in to Vaggie because she really wanted to help but for the the motives that the shows builds up for her it doesn’t make much sense for her to then do the very thing that could have heaven target her specifically like they did the hotel next time. Yes Vaggie says that the hotel can stand beside her but carmilla seems like the type that doesn’t trust easily so it’s weird how that all played out definitely an issue due to the pacing and how carmilla had to be convinced in that short amount of time or the plot wouldn’t move forward. There’s many other details, just wanted to point out some examples.
Well… I blame part of it on Amazon only giving 8 episodes.
A standard season is usually 12-13 episodes.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist oh no I do too, but like it’s said in the video the writers an viv coulda tried to improvise, they could’ve adjusted their story to fit the 8 episode season instead it feels as though they wrote story as they were getting 15-20 episodes. Also I quite like fast paced shows sometimes, that’s why the pacing of hazbin doesn’t bother me that much, but when it leads to underdeveloped moments and characters it’s just a bit of a let down because you just know that if they had a few episodes more those underdeveloped moments and characters coulda reached their full potential. As for the plot holes I noticed that could just be explained away as Carmilla was being nice and Vaggie just didn’t realize, they are still kinda weird details tho. Again I love the show but because I do I notice a lotta flaws.
I liked it but you’re still right about everything
Can i say that despite being a person that really enjoyed season 1 of Hazbin i mostly agree with your point, and also i really like how grounded your review was, if that makes sense, also 19:12 Sir Pentious is a Overlord wannabe not an actual overlord
I like Hazbin Hotel but there are issues
1 I think they killed off Adam WAY too early imagine if he learned to be more serious with is planing and not to underestamate his enimies and he changes into multiple monsterous variations overtime.
2 While I don't care about cursing it doesn't automatically make your show mature It didn't work for The 2019 Harley Quinn show,not for Ledgends of Chamberlain Hights,and not for Allen Gregory
3 I like Viv's artstyle and this show and Helluva are so far the best looking adult cartoons I've seen as WAY TOO MANY just rip of the Family Guy artstyle but as fellow TH-camr Zerex pointed out in his also really good essay on Hazbin Hotel a lot of the character's wear red and kinda have the same facial and body structres like for example
Lucifer,Alaster,Adam,an Sir Pentous all make this shit eating grin
Lucifer,Vorx,and Sir Pentous all wear the same buissness suit including a tie
Most of the characters have these pointy chins
I get it's in Hell but not EVERYTHING needs to be red for example you can make Husk yellow,you can make Angle green,you can make Nifty purple ect
4 I don't really care for some of the side charcters like the Egg Bois who for some reason got an episode instead of someone like Nifty or Husk
5 Nifty just got ROBBED in this season having NO focus episodes and under 20 minutes of screen time which sucks as she was the most entertaining part of the show for me.
6 I think there should've been more of a horror theme Alaster seems PERFECT for this but we never get to see what he can truly do I get it's season one so they didn't want to spoil everything but at least give us SOMETHING
SO while I don'i hate this show some of the problems with it still circle around it
18:22 I feel like people forget and I could be wrong but in the first episode of hazbin in the commercial Alastor made he has said “followed by Lucifers delusional daughter Charlotte Morningstar” while that isn’t really anything it kinda makes sense for Charlie as a character???
I'm glad Helluva Boss was around to lower the fandom's expectations.
Also, idk why the writers thought introducing Mimzy in Alastor and Lucifer's duet was a good idea. Took a good scene and ruined it.
I don’t look at it like. Tv show, to me it’s one very long musical meant to be watched back to back. A broadway adaptation would be cool haha
I agree with you pretty much across the board. Big character moments are predictable yet unearned. It needed about 10 more episodes to flesh everything out. my only disagreement is Sir Pens death, im not torn lol it was almost hate crime. The moment builds for absolutely nothing!
The writers wanted their cake and to eat it too. They should have just decided if it needed to *sad* or *funny* going for both was a massive fail
Adam is one of my favorite characters, to me, he is well written villain. Vivienne and some animators and writers wrote on Twitter that he is one of their favorite characters, and how fun they have writing him. A charismatic funny cocky toxic spoiled misogynistic sexist based douchebag that you have fun love to hate. And there is a reason why he is that evil. He wasn't evil when he was alive, he was just a selfish person who fought his wife was made for him in his eyes, because she appeared a little bit later after his birth, and he wanted her to do what he wants, he demanded control, let's not forget that he is first human, he didn't have parents who could teach him a discipline and what's right and wrong, he grew up in the environment that morals for humanity didn't existed yet, when he get to heaven, Sera didn't make him realize that he made mistake, and the fact that Lilith didn't submit his will, and later with lucifer exposed earth to the root of all evil, and perhaps possessed his new wife Eve, in Adam's eyes that makes his actions, his idea "that woman are not equals as him but a man's additions who should submit him" look good, when Lilith and Lucifer are villains in his point of view. Also in hazbin hotel he didn't ate the fruit of knowledge, because of this, he didn't gain knowledge, did not allow him to realize his mistakes, and cannot find the difference between good and evil, so he has black and white views. And then Sera gives him a royal fancy live, that he will get anithing he wants on the silver platter, and not facing a consequences of his mistakes, and he lived like Kuzco, without love and discipline reveling in power in ten thousands years, so what's why he is so spoiled frat bro and has God complexes, because of the fact he get from Sera and Elders that he is the first human, a special who gave birth to humanity, reason why Adam is so evil is due to him being spoiled rotten because of how he had the whole world in his favor on how he wanted to see it fit, making him labeled to be too special for his benefit, ironically this makes him more in line with how the original biblical Devil is than Lucifer, having his perfection corrupt him. In first episode what he sayed, he was wrong, but he didn't lied because he genuinely believes in that.
where did you get all this from?
@@christopherbravo1813head canon
@@michaelortiz1561 XD
I would have loved it in the show if there was a sinner where he wants to join the hotel but gets constantly killed, ignored or pushed out of the picture. Not only would that be funny and creates a on goin character gag
and everytime charlie's about to accept him into the hotel, another character pushes them aside (most likely alastor) or funni thing happens
I like the show, LOVE the music.
But honestly I completely agree with you. The show was held back by the limited number of episodes.
Pacing is blink & you'll miss it. Events happen in such a way you feel like you've missed half a season, & characters get super limited development; if any at all. It needed more episodes to really live up to the obvious vision that was there.
It was like they edited a novel to fit inside a greeting card.
I have to disagree with the husk and angel part, husk shouldn’t have been pointing out everyone’s problems. Like u want ppl to open up to u but go out of ur way to expose them to everyone and basically make them feel like shit. Angel dust needs to stop treating everyone like shit and also learn what boundaries r and not sexually harass husk and act all innocent abt it like like he did nothing wrong, his trauma doesn’t give him an excuse to do that and the fact he got mad at husk for pushing him off after he literally violated those boundaries pissed me tf off. Also the loser baby song although fire it’s pretty offensive and doesn’t take the SA/r@pe situation seriously 🤦🏽♀️
3:55 You want a problem that is a better example of that or this case worse? Watch Rooster Teeth’s failed show Gen:Lock. I want someone to analyze it cause of the controversy surrounding it and how besides RWBY, no one really talks about it that much
That's a bold title
I am a HUGGGEEEE fan of hazbin hotel, but I actually heavily agree with MOST of the things you say here! One of the biggest ones being episode 5 where Charlie's "daddy issues" get resolved within a single episode. I even asked myself out loud how that could happen when I watched it. I also agree with the cherri bomb x sirpentious thing. Yeah, sure, it's cute and all. Enemies turned lovers or whatever. But it's very overused and we JUST got used to sirpentious as a character in season 1. And now he serves a whole other purpose when it comes to character development. The pacing was also pretty bad. Anyway, in conclusion, Im a huge fan of hazbin hotel and love itl but it has flaws. Out of all the characters, Sirpentious probably has the best character writing and I like niffty's writing as well simply because there ISNT any and that she's just super simple as of now.
18:36 I think we'll wait at least really would help alistair's character here is give him that one moment that one moment of betrayal not need to be big but you didn't need to at least have her feel like that even if he's helping her out this dude still isn't a good guy different moment that Rick usually gives Morty when you think that he cares just a little but he does something either messed up or stupid they just make you really see who he is at the best example that I can give is that scene in season 3 vindicators episode when Morty will not ride the check if Rick really cares about him ultimately it was bull crap I give him a moment like that that is the best example that can give well the point that I'm trying to make entirely is he is not Charlie's friend he is her co-worker and doing this entirely out of his own benefit if he gets bored or don't care again just like that
The singing.....the DAMNED SINGING.....
To me...having a musical number tossed in every damn episode is the mark of lazy writing....and if I remember correctly, THERE'S TWO PER EPISODE.
Now dont get me wrong, there are musicals with excellent writing, but thats because theres enough of a break in between each song to get the story moving. Hazbin's just feel like a lazy cop-out and Jesus-H-Christ does it show.
Also......as much as it kills me to say it, Lucifer and Alastor really disappointed me. I was looking forward to some serious badassery....we got goofballs.
As much as I like this show, I will admit that it’s flawed due to is pacing and how it focuses on other plots rather than the main plot of Charlie’s plan to redeem sinners, I wish Viv would learn to take criticisms and maybe some of these problems will be fixed
Wo ever said that the show was only about the redemption? I assumed it at the beginning too. But it was made clear that the exterminaton will be a huge thing multible times after Happy day in Hell. Charlie has the hopes of getting them redeemed but Adam crushes that more or less right in the first episode by telling her about the extermination. She's still trying but surviving is more important at this point of the story. The first episode is the worst of them. I agree on that. Actually for me the show really strts with episode 4. My bro tho who didn't see the Pilot didn't need explanations on the characters and the setup, so I think because some things are explained differently than in the pilot we think it's not undersandable, but the info is there, scattered into the first two episodes.
I still am sad about the fact that the series was so rushed. It really takes away from it. But in my humble and unpopular opinion Mimzy fits very well into that episode.
Its not she did the better she could with the number of episodes that they gave to her, it was a good series
It also doesn’t help that the swearing is so overused in HH
I like Rick and Morty's comedy because they actually say funny things instead of just swearing 24/7
I only really liked the songs, Husk, and Adam if I’m being honest.
Wiat isnt Sera Emilys sister?
Well thought out and honest take. I respectfully disagree on some points. The vees are the reason Sir P. goes to the hotel. Emily is an angel (Entities created for a job while humans work jobs for love or necessary) she gives insight to what Charlie could have been(bring joy to human souls) and why she is like a sheep dog attempting to heard birds.
Hey I enjoy hazbin hotel happy to find someone with a different opinion
Adam is such a nuanced and sympathetic villain that people mistake him for the protagonist.
Could someone explain why, I haven't actually watched the show yet because I don't have prime and I've tried to learn all I can about the show via TH-cam
it somewhat won me over
but the more i see its gaping flaws that don't involve its animation the more it loses me
Hey. That’s ok that you didn’t enjoy it that much. We all got our opinions
I hate Hazbin Hotel, everything, you *CAN’T* change my mind, Jesus is way better than this show.
Hey, your video was pretty good, and enjoyable to listen to, but your speech impediment has been making it less enjoyable and has at times taken me out of "the flow" or something. I hope you can take care of that.
I personally like Helluva Boss more and I heard that Villainous is really good.
My problem with the show is that its premise is the destroyed from the 1st episode The designs are unappealing and the writing is mediocre. The pilot had none of these
The designs are literally the same (except Charlie and Velvette which we're just updated)
Wasn't for me
16:40 ah
I will completely say as a Christian and as someone who pays close attention to what's going on in popular culture, Hazbin Hotel is extremely disappointing and very poorly made, despite having enormous potential.
On paper, Hazbin Hotel actually has a pretty good concept. Charlie the princess of hell wants to make peace with Heaven by opening a hotel to redeem sinners actually sounds like a pretty good idea. I thought it was working up until after the 6th episode, then the show became a complete mask off nightmare where it was clearly written by a morally and spiritually bankrupt, possibly agnostic, woke liberal feminists] who forgot that the plot of the show was about redemption from sin, and instead made it about justification for sin. The fact that she used demons as the protagonist of both her shows (This and Helluva Boss) is a massive warning flag I should have heeded.
Further evidence that this show was written by a feminist who is a massive misandrist (redundant, I know) is that the "antagonist" of the show is Adam, the First Man and leader of the exorcist army who is chauvinistic, foul mouthed, prideful, and crass. Despite these objectively negative qualities, HH is desperately trying to paint him as a villain, but he comes off as the actual hero of the show. I can't see him as any other way, because the show wants to challenge me with a perception of demons being innocent victims and Angels be murdering monsters. NO. As a Christian that's not going to fly with me. Angels and good and demons are evil; only a godless liberal would think otherwise.
I completely HATE the idea of demons being able to use Angelic weapons. The Angelic weapons should be like Holy Relics and burn them upon first touch, or the blessings from them should just disappear after use. There's no reason to give Angels their own version of kryptonite because of their own weapons.
Clearly these crap writers never did any research on what really happens when demons interact with actual Holy Relics. They are burned by them and fear Holy things like fire. That's really what should have happened.
Plus, after the unnecessary war with heaven and the slaughtering of Adam, the show destroyed its own plot, and made it completely pointless. Why would Charlie and the gang ever want to continue building a hotel to redeem sinners after, going to war with heaven, not getting their backing, and killing off the first man (a not so subtle message about taking down the patriarchy). Charlie could not get heaven's backing in the sixth episode, and why and how could she get it now? She can't. It's impossible now. They are are all war criminals and Heaven's greatest enemies now. They deserve nothing but punishment now.
Plus, despite her wishes to redeem sinners, she can't do it by default of being the devil's daughter. Redemption only comes from God (who is bizarrely absent from the show altogether). No other way is possible. Makes me feel sorry for her in that way.
Nothing about this show makes any sense, and it's completely pointless now. I know that a season 2 is in production, but there's no point to it. The season 1 finale played out like a series finale, and now it's a dead show.
I don’t agree with you calling Vivziepop a misandrist. Anyone familiar with her work is aware that she has received a lot of criticism for the treatment of her female characters. She gives her male characters way more focus, depth and attention than her female characters many who can usually be boiled down to a single word such as protector (Carmilla, Vaggie) or just a satellite to a male character (Millie). She cannot write female characters well. If anything she’s misogynistic lmao
Wait, so Adam's negative qualities make you feel as if he's the hero? Yikes #1. 2, how does having a male villain prove that Vivienne's a misandrist? If anything, she's more leaning toward misogyny with her work and it seems you are too.
Based and well said.
this was copy-pasted either from or in another video about hazbin hotel.
i believe it was you who copy pasted your own comment, but i can't imagine why.
@@MoonlightBrillance sexism is sexism, it's very rare for a person to be only a misogynist or only a misandrist. the two are usually interlinked to some capacity. so i can't say i agree with your assessment or at least this reasoning.
that said i don't know viv very well para-socially and def not otherwise. so, admittedly, i can't say anything of value on her character.
I started thinking this season is bad when we got Charlie's and Lucyfer's song about their relationship, when we didn't get any of it before, only mentioning it and flashback in that song. It was so boring, it needed at least few episodes of development.
And I didn't liked most of Charlie's songs, they were too boring and calm.
There are no Rick and Morty clones what are you talking about? the only thing that I can think of is solar opposites. "If you look at the broader visual landscape of Western television animation" if you actually watched a lot of adult Western animation you wouldn't say that. There's more to the West in America.
It had some plot holes but it was actually really good. I didn’t pay attention to the flaws rlly. But I understand that it’s not for everyone.
out of all the characters in hazbin hotel besides husk vox feels misplaced.
I enjoyed the show but understand there were multiple flaws. You did a great video.
I liked it but it is flawed. Definitely needs more pacing. I like Charlie and the others, and the worldbuilding is awesome but it needs more time to grow. Hopefully season 2 gets that.
Pentious thing makes no sense my guy
2:28
False, they kill demons because hell is too full
So a garbage video where Centrilo throws a temper tantrum over fictional series for petty reasons.
I thought this is another "Show Baddddd" clone, but you have rationally legit Criticism, like me preferring BCS over BrBa in everything, some people prefer BrBa and that's okay
Ok and
I mean the show is meant to be like a Broadway performance not a typical cartoon show.
Honestly Hazbin isn't even a good musical. For a while it had me thinking "maybe I just don't like musicals" until I watched Wicked and a few others.
I despise slow pacing, so it was awesome to me.
Obviously this show was just on a time crunch, if Viv never put it toward a major streaming property they would have gotten more time on it if it were still on TH-cam, but it might end up being longer to make without marketing. (I haven't watched this video because I'm sick of reviewers on this topic without considering the hardships.) So blame the corporate and not Viv. We waited long enough.
0:30 so from the very start you knew its not for you, and thats fine, its ok, im not in to soap operas or politics, not everything need be for everyone, recognising that is healthy.
Booo
@@dulcemendoza3526 im hearing that you dont agree... oh well no big deal.