Wow! Yes, rather than humbling themselves to take a closer scientific look at "present policies and thoughts" to see if their leading societies in peaceful direction. They just double down to try and force "present policies and thoughts" even if scientific evidence shows great damage to individuals' freedoms etc..
I just look at the national debt in the West, it's crumbling economy and the cultural void that was created this last 50-100 years and I see very little hope. People aren't going to vote for a party (if one even existed) to reverse the damage because it will mean going without and self discipline, instead they'll keep on voting for freebees paid for by our grand children. 2019 is going to be an interesting and potentially frightening year, 10 years after the 2008 crisis we're about to slide back into recession again...what happens then? The decline of our values in the west has also taken place at a shocking pace, I'm middle aged and I remember a country (the UK) that was quite nice, a bit poor but much more cohessive than today.
Right above these comments! Here: Cray Fishe Cray Fishe 4 weeks ago He used to. Not now. He says what he is allowed to say. That goes for us all, though. However, most of us are not allowed to say much. He can say more than us - but it makes no difference, does it? Unless the final answer is said, what's the point of posing the problem? "Final answer" is in the last sentence.
Use to think Peter was a posh twat when I was a teenager, the older I get, the more I agree with and admire him. Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing.
Yes he is a good interviewer because he is prepare to listen. If P Hitchens were interviewed by any of the usual suspects on in the BBC he would be constantly interrupted and talked over, to the point of tedium, because he would be challenging their core beliefs and they cannot cope with that.
The prescience of Peter's recalling the film 'Contagion' to highlight the coming breakdown of social order is chilling. The coronavirus may well prove to be the final nail in fiat currency's coffin.
Incredible foresight..he's unfortunately bang on the money. His stance against the Government's reaction to COV-19 since March brought me here. Last of the great political history intellects, I'm afraid. Learn from him what you can whilst he's still here, active and ALLOWED to have a voice.
James McKay the Con of a virus is the cover for that collapse. But who controls the replacement is the battle now. Trump and a new gold standard. Or the Globalists and a Keynesian Bancor based on the SDR ?
It's now July and this was written in April or May. Man how things have changed. In light of what's happened, I agree with your comment, but my fear is what comes next - YIKES!
David Rhodes Dekulakisation - Make it impossible for small businesses to survive, so wiping out all competition to the Corporates. “ Everything for the state. Nothing against the state. Nothing outside the state”. After the complete financial collapse, depending on the results of USA election, either a new system, using a Crypto currency based on gold. Or a not so crypto digital currency based on the SDR - Like Keynes original Bancor.
John Anderson is one of the greatest intervjuers nowadays, surely rivaled only by Peter Robinson at the Hoover Institution. This was a brilliant intervjue, Peter Hitchens is surely prophetic, God help us all
I don't know actually. I find China interesting but it seems to have the same issues previous empires in the past had and that was too high authoritarianism and a lack of sentimentality for the places they conquer. For example Malaysia (usually a one party state) for the first time has elected a different party led by a 90 year old on the basis of fighting Chinese expansionism into their country. China has invested huge amounts of money into Malaysia but at the expense of the Malaysian people ( for example a new city named forest city has been built based on Chinese money but the residents are mainly Chinese and not even the old Chinese families that have lived there for generations) and an old anti Chinese ethos has started to develop there. China will expand I have no doubt, it needs to because there is very little resource wealth there and there is that public will which Peter Hitchens spoke about driven a lot by the shame of the century of humiliation. However it runs over the nations around it with very little regard whereas the American Empire leaves foreign cultures with a lot of autonomy but less military. Japan for example spreads the American sphere of influence through military bases as punishment for WW2 but at the same time there isn't an anti American sentiment there and Japan has say in all its domestic matters other than military. China is expanding through debt traps disguised as foreign investment and has a very Chinese supremacist mindset. So I think it will fail due to it pissing off all the countries it needs to prosper from. I agree with Peter though it is inspiring but deeply unsettling to see its rise.
@@RiksFunStuff China has a population of 1.4 billion - more than America, Eastern & Western Europe combined. It only need to half-succeed to utterly dominate. I too went to China, and I saw the same colossal factory Peter saw. It is a gigantic airport terminal where nobody is really at home. The people worship money. They need not fully succeed. They have a very low bar to clear. The only thing that is more powerful is Western ideals; and these are not nearly strong enough even within the West, let alone against he coming Eastern onslaught. I am an Australian. You can already see Chinese influence *everywhere* here.
@@MasterSimpkins I think the Chinese influence is only let in rather than forced in though. So in general I think people will wake up to what the Chinese empire is shaping up to be and stop it when it starts to expand as Malaysia has started to do now realizing Chinese "investment" has a bit of a catch. I think Australia banned Huawei phone masts recently due to security concerns recently too or something along those lines. Something to do with data and such. (I might be wrong on the exact details but I remember it was over security concerns about Chinese companies and state influence). So I think in general the countries China seeks to influence just simply won't trust it and that is fatal as China has no modern resources at its disposal. It needs oil from the middle east, hard materials from Africa and has a large population it needs to provide a modern lifestyle for. All while the current government is oppressive to its people and still have the atrocities of Mao looming over their heads. I think if China experiences any negative growth or a stall in the economy which does seem to be looming, the political situation will get quite bad for the communist party and that coupled with its Chinese supremacist attitude to the countries it needs under its belt will lead to its crumbling. I think if China adopted Western political ideals however it would be quite unstoppable. Like Japan on steroids. If China approached empire like the Americans do they would easily rule the world with the Chinese work ethic behind ideals of freedom.
Riktor - China does have some important resources, like coal, but more importantly it has an almost monopoly on the World supply of Rare Earth materials (in case you don't know, Rare Earth is essential in the production of electronics. No Rare Earth materials = no electronics). But yes, China is expanding in to numerous Third World Countries because those countries have the raw materials that China wants. "The American Empire leaves foreign cultures with a lot of autonomy" - I think you meant countries, not cultures. The American Culture has infiltrated and permeated practically every country on the planet through Hollywood movies, TV, clothing (I am wearing jeans - out of choice - as I write this), music, technology (all the computers used in the World use either Microsoft or Apple Operating Systems). There's probably other examples but I think you get the picture. Oooops! I've just remembered the USA involvement (usually through the CIA) in the change of governments of many countries throughout the World since WW2. Examples include, but are not limited to, Iran (1953), Chile (1973), many Sub-Saharan African and Latin American countries as well as supporting brutal dictators in South Korea, The Philippines, Saddam Hussein in Iraq (while it suited them) and even my own country of New Zealand in 1974. For the most part there may not be anti-American sentiment in Japan but the women that have been occasionally raped over the years by the American servicemen stationed on Okinawa may disagree. As for the Huawei thing: The USA, Australia, New Zealand and (I think) Canada banned Huawei from operating in their countries because of its link to the Chinese military and they see this as a way of setting up spying equipment within those countries communication networks (in other words, if you make a call on a Huawei phone the Chinese government may be listening). I would like to see China become a democracy as you seem to want but the instrument of the Chinese state is too strong for that, at least for the foreseeable future. However 2026 is the year of the Fire Horse and if you want to know the significance of that then the pervious Fire Horse years were 1966 (Cultural Revolution) and 1906 (lots of demonstrations and protests in China).
Keep up the good work John, pity you aren't still a politics here as a reasoned and sound mind against the madness though i think you know what would happen to you if you were still in politics and expressed these views. Though there is still strength left in the world of men... The men of the West might arise from their slumber and fight for all that is good and green in the world or the whole world will turn to darkness...(I'm paraphrasing Tolkien here of course). If people do not have the intellect to see what is coming or the will to fight it then people will get what they deserve... But as Peter said it is the civilised who will suffer but only for a short time as there won't be any civlised people left before long..
Peter seems decidedly black pilled, while at the same time there are moments of rebellious hope ( such as 39:40 ) that John manages to excavate. A great interview, thankyou to all involved.
Yes he’s quite openly done with trying to change anything, he tried for years and found it futile and is just going to watch it all burn. A pity, he’s a great man.
We need to embrace our Christian culture and heritage. Rejecting multi culturalism, feminism, no fault divorce, pornography. And embrace the classic teachings again. Virtue, morality, responsibility and Christian family.
Most people would have voted for the nazi party in pre war Germany. When money becomes useless, political violence in the streets, a nation forced to denigrate there own nation and pay a unbelievable reparations. And one party promises to restore order and pride you’d vote for it. That’s why I don’t view the average 1930s German as a monster.
i'm hoping this channel gets a lot more viewers. i'm centre-left and for anyone not far left or far right. reasonable political points of view are hard to find online.
JapanJohnny2012 I’m far more right, but I’m always drawn to these discussions, because we need to discuss the difficult issue full on, debate and dissect them, even when they are painful.
One of my favorite anecdotes: After the battle for Cherbourg was over, German prisoners were paraded through the city on their way to detention. The local French people stood by the side of the road, cursing them and spitting on them. The Americans were very amused by this until some fellow GI's told them that just the week before, the Germans were parading American prisoners through the city, and the local French people stood by the side of the road cursing them and spitting at them. Most people simply follow whoever appears to be winning at the time, they have no guiding principles or morals.
I've followed a number of interviews of Peter Hitchens and watched snippets of him on UK TV, but this 44 minutes is simply the best of the lot, so far.
Peter Hitchens is a highly intelligent man, but I'm amazed Mr Anderson doggedly continued to ask questions in the face of such overwhelming pessimism. I almost sense he gets a perverse pleasure in his negative stance vis a vis the future.
I share Hitchen's pessimism. The foundations of our civilization have already crumbled. Any number of things could finish it off, but don't look to politicians for salvation. I only hope that I don't live long enough to experience the end.
It won’t be pretty. I’m 40 and I see it approaching like a wildfire. You have to look beyond his pessimism though. As should he. Letting it play out. If he truly believed in scripture from front to back? He’d be comforted in knowing it’s almost over. Armageddon anyone? What comes after is where hope is sustained.
@@TheYanbibiya, and how do you know he is bemused by what he is hearing? Could it be that that's your reaction to what you are hearing, and not the interviewers by any chance?
Wether you agree or disagree with Peter Hitchens views. He continues to bring a different viewpoint and challenges you to rethink and research history. He is always clear and concise in debate and does not try to push his views down your throat. He tells it as he sees it and lets you make up your own mind. I can see why both left wing and the right wing tend to despise him. Mr Hitchens is always interesting to listen to. Thank You Mr Hitchens for sharing your views.
Astro Peanut You are quite right I despise him for writing for that rag of a newspaper. I despise him for denying man made climate change. I despise him for wanting to teach the alternative theory to the Theory of Evolution in our public schools. He appears to think that the UK was a much better place when we were building all our own stuff and wants to impose protections so that we can once again do that. I was around during those early post war days when working conditions were dire and health and safety along with other social conditions were dreadful. Hitchens says we would take a knock in our living standard to do so but it would be worth it. Note the use of the word WE in fact it would have very little affect on Hitchens living standards but a drastic affect on the vast majority of working people. If he wants to worship some magic man in the sky good luck to him but don't push it onto other people who don't believe such nonsense.
Another brilliant interview , some days I am as pessimistic as this gentleman other days my faith rises and I know in my heart curve balls can come at any time and maybe God is not done with us just yet. Very interesting times we find ourselves living in though, very interesting, it is as they say, always darkest before the dawn.
Peter is entirely correct about the seeming obliviousness of our cultural elite to our predicament. In fact if you work for the BBC or The Guardian you probably think that the good times are just getting started. Some will come over to our way of thinking as harsh realities crystallise but others will blame us for the failures of their utopian visions. They shall think that if only we did not protest and resist they would have that which they desire. And so they will not adjust their expectations but instead intensify their hatred directed towards us.
They aren't oblivious and you're a fool if you think they genuinely are. Remember that when we talk of "elites" we are talking about some of the most intelligent, educated, and well-informed people this side of the world has to offer, and I find it impossible to seriously accept that these people don't know exactly what they're doing.
@@50centpb7 elites are all you say they are, but ignorant as well in that many also believe incorrectly, that their expertice extends to many areas outside their field.
Reason cannot be expected to choose between good and evil infallibly because the will has been corrupted. We all understand how little control we have over our lives, at least we have all have placed in a situation where we see how quickly it all could collapse. But if we survive, if we continue to live our humdrum lives without total disaster, we tend to develop this false confidence that it will all work our in the end. In the end, of course, we are all dead. If we reject the notion of the Resurrection, I think it is because we don’t want to be judged for all the evil we have done or the good we have not done. Most of us are pathetic versions of what we might have been. The irony is that we all, looking back, fail to see where we we went wrong.
Judy S. Thought provoking comment. Would have liked to know what your starting point is, use of language makes me think a religious one? I think many of us have an inclination of where we went wrong but very few us have the humility and the courage to let it surface to our consciousness, because once you acknowledge it then you have the unenviable and difficult task of rectifying it and who needs that? It is a lot easier to point out other people’s wrong doings!! Be well.
Great interview. Challenging. I would like to hear some perspective on the movement of Chinese Christians particularly their migration to the West. From my vantage point it seems the next wave of hope that John presses for seems to be the rise of the Chinese Christian community. Within next 15 years, will they hold seats of political and educational power and influence?
The only way Chinese Christians could attain seats of political and educational power and influence in China is to become members of the Chinese Communist Party. Can you realistically see that happening?
Exactly what Peter says at 13 minutes. People are so frustratingly gullible. Countless times I've held discussions where I think I'm getting through to someone only for them to carry on spouting the same mindless leftist drivel the very next day. People I care about and for whom I hold respect. Absolutely infuriating, but this is the curse we carry.
I was born in Southampton went to Freemantle CofE School and was in the choir in 1966 for 7 years WE visited Mayflower Park often, watching the Liners like RMS Queen Elizabeth & Mary. We are listening to you Peter.
I do agree with Peter how gullible people are.But can you blame them the amount of rubbish we are fed day in day out you come to a point not knowing what to belief.if so many of our population are struggling to survive,Be it decent housing health and social care.so many children with a poor education or grow up without any ground rules soceity will change.Christianity kept people in a certain fear.God will punish you if you do wrong.That is what we were taught when I was a child.This soceity isn't bothered about fear live for today to hell with tomorrow.I am more worried about the harm we are doing to our planet and I'm not so sure if we are that civilised with our modern technology.We have poor leadership and when these leaders open their mouths so much are lies.We see young children die in unnecessary wars all for the love of power and money.Don't you forget we are the goodies they are the baddies we are told regularly.I don't care if somebody is Moslim Christian or a humanist We live a short time on this planet let's try to do it together in peace..
People are waking up and noticing things are changing. Problem is, they've forgotten, and don't know how to debate subjects deeper, or more complex, than who'll win the Super Bowl.
I have noticed that when Mr. Hitchens brings up the ease of modern “no fault” divorce and the usurpation of ethics and morality by secular subjective civil authority, It is almost always brushed aside, as though lacking any importance.
What has struck me lately in conversations with politically left leaning friends, family and acquaintances, is it is virtually impossible to get them to stay on topic with an issue they are uncomfortable about. Rather than attempt to expose the weaknesses or flaws in my point, fact or expose'. They always shift the discussion to another unrelated topic, person, or immaturely just insist I am wrong, without any context as to why. When I attempt to draw them back to the topic, person, etc. in question, they inevitably accuse me of being or supporting something I am not. If in their estimation I support this, person or position, they feel justified in ignoring what I am saying. This has happened numerous times lately. The most common accusation thrown at me is, "Well you are a Trump lover". I am Canadian, my friends, family and acquaintances are Canadians. Yet inevitably this accusation is thrown at me, when I begin proving the failings of socialism, the utter insanity of Black Lives Matter groups tearing down Canadian memorials of our historical figures, or the destruction left in the aftermath of their allegedly peaceful protests even here in Canada. This is becoming one of the darkest moments in history, because it is the most idiotic. Only one person has ever got back to me and said, "Calling you a Trump lover, was a real stupid thing for me to say. I thought about I conversation later, and it began to bother me, insomuch that I could not believe the only reply I could think of at the time was, you are a Trump lover. I am sorry". US media, is doing a great disservice to people everywhere, by laying all the problems occurring in North American at the feet of one person, to the point where their obsession for vilifying President Trump, is becoming infectious. So much so, that it seems to be influencing the ability of people everywhere to engage is civil discourse.
“A crowd has a mental life inferior in intellectual quality and emotionally less under voluntary control than the mental life of each of its members in isolation. The mental life of a group is not inferior, either intellectually or emotionally, to the mental life of the individuals composing it and may, in favourable circumstances, actually be superior. The significant psychological facts about the crowd are as follows. The tone of crowd emotion is essentially orgiastic and dionysiac. In virtue of his membership of the crowd, the individual is released from the limitations of his personality, made free of the sub-personal, sub-human world of unrestrained feeling and uncriticized belief. To be a member of a crowd is an experience closely akin to alcoholic intoxication. Most human beings feel a craving to escape from the cramping limitations of their ego, to take periodical holidays from their all too familiar, all too squalid little self. As they do not know how to travel upwards from personality into a region of super-personality and as they are unwilling, even if they know, to fulfill the ethical, psychological and physiological conditions of self-transcendence, they turn naturally to the descending road, the road that leads down from personality to the darkness of sub-human emotionalism and panic animality. Hence the persistent craving for narcotics and stimulants, hence the never-failing attraction of the crowd. The success of the dictators is due in large measure to their extremely skilful exploitation of the universal human need for escape from the limitations of personality. Perceiving that people wished to take holidays from themselves in sub-human emotionality, they have systematically provided their subjects with the occasions for doing so. The Communists denounce religion as the opium of the people; but all they have done is to replace this old drug by a new one of similar composition. For crowd around the relic of the saint they have substituted the crowd at the political meeting; for religious procession, military reviews and May Day parades. It is the same with the Fascist dictators. In all the totalitarian states the masses are persuaded, and even compelled, to take periodic holidays from themselves in the sub-human world of crowd emotion. It is significant that while they encourage and actually command the descent in sub-humanity, the dictators do all they can to prevent men from taking the upward road from personal limitation the road that leads towards non-attachment to the ‘things of this world’ and attachment to that which is super-personal. The higher the manifestations of religion are far more suspect to the tyrants than the lower - and with reason. For the man who escapes from egotism into super-personality has transcended his idolatrous loyalty, not only to himself, but also to the local divinities - nation, party, class, deified boss. Self-transcendence, escape from the prison of the ego into union with what is above personality, is generally accomplished in solitude. That is why tyrants like to herd their subjects into those vast crowds, in which the individual is reduced to a state of intoxicated sub-humanity.” - Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means, An Enquiry into the Nature of Ideals and into the Methods employed for their Realization, 1938.
32:37 - This is what irks me about Peter Hitchens, he assumes atheists are thinking certain things and no matter how many times one denies this, he will simply claim we are indeed thinking those things. For example when he claims that atheists are unwilling to discuss why we would want to live in a universe which has no god, he has presented a question which has a serious flaw, that is an atheist doesn't believe in god, want never comes into it and so it's quite impossible to discuss a motivation we do not possess. Then he goes on to claim a belief in god is a moral choice and it cannot possibly be based upon reason, well again he has presented a malformed question as it is the person who makes the positive claim who has to provide proof. There is no evidence for a god, therefore I don't believe in god, this is the same for fairies, elves and ghosts. Peter wants to frame this as a moral question because he can then insinuate that his opponents are not moral people, it's a roundabout ad hominem and his argument is the same one which has been dismantled many times over the centuries. I respect the mans intellect, he is well read and has a great deal of knowledge and experience, but the issue of god will always come back to the simple problem of there being no evidence of such a beings existence.
Pavel Trofimovich Morozov (Russian: Па́вел Трофи́мович Моро́зов; 14 November 1918 - 3 September 1932), better known by the diminutive Pavlik, was a Soviet youth praised by the Soviet press as a martyr. His story, dated to 1932, is that of a 13-year-old boy who denounced his father to the authorities and was in turn killed by his family. His story was a subject of reading, songs, plays, a symphonic poem, a full-length opera and six biographies. The apotheosic cult had a huge impact on the moral norms of generations of children, who were encouraged to inform on their parents.[1] There is very little original evidence related to the story, much of it hearsay provided by second-hand witnesses. According to modern research, the story (denunciation, trial) is most likely false, although Pavlik was a real child who was killed. Morozov's story was the basis of Bezhin Meadow, an unreleased film from 1937 that was directed by Sergei Eisenstein, as well as the 2015 Latvian film Dawn.
Love Hitchens, but am frustrated by remarks like th-cam.com/video/V7K1A8jgF1w/w-d-xo.html. There is a third choice: you can live in a world dictated by rationality and *still* have a moral obligation to humanity. Our biological make-up defines a set of behaviors that maximize our survivability as a species. These behaviors include interactions at the individual, community, and societal levels. That is morality -- and it's a morality that exists whether or not one believes we were created by God or the product of random atoms crashing together.
His politics may have changed but Hitchens' position about the infallibility of his own self-righteousness has not changed since his Bolshevik days. Arrogance personified, he's found his proper home nestling in the pages of the Daily Heil.
Hitchens is a miserable git... but I fear he's more right than wrong. But cheers for the interview gentlemen was a pleasurable if a pessimistic discussion and i personally hope and pray that the technology of this age may enrich people with enough wisdom to pull them from there malaise(i wish i didn't keep thinking of Huxley's Brave New World while writing this) and engage fully with the troubles of our times.
Unfortunately the technology of this age is a double-edged sword (as these things usually are). Alexia seems to be listening in to peoples conversations even when she is turned off (?!), computer operating systems are becoming out-of-date faster and Cell Phones are becoming a necessity rather than a luxury.
Whenever I watch Peter I feel like I don't agree with him on much but at the same time I agree with everything. I come at it from a very different perspective, but never the less I believe his projections need to be taken very seriously. The judgmental side of me sees (on the surface) an out of touch Christian who's views seems colonial and somewhat draconian. But I honestly believe this guy just really cares and can clearly see the damage of to much liberal leftism. My moral compass is very left leaning, I'm an atheist and a INFP personality type. Basically I'm live and let live and a bit of a dreamer. Thing is the way all this mental stuff if playing out we are going to be crying out for a return to our grandparents world of respect and social responsibility. I was always a big fan of his brother but I have to say, go Peter! and for what it's worth he has my respect.
I do like P Hitchens but his constant interruption of JA's question before he's finished throughout this interview is persistently irksome. Just politely hear him out. Not difficult.
“Men have gods in Heaven and gods on Earth, but Heaven is for gods and earth for men. Thus did we write our own doom.” - The Kolbrin, Wisdom Of The Ages, The Book Of Scrolls formerly called The Book Of Books Or The Lesser Book Of The Sons Of Fire this being The Third Book Of The BronzeBook, Chapter Thirty-Three, The Scroll of Herakat.
For almost two generations young people, in significant numbers, have been leaving school with no religion and no understanding of history; not even of their own family’s origins. Commercial media tell them what to think, tertiary education is an assembly line of modules teaching vocational skills shorn of the key elements necessary for the ability to think independently. Consumerism is the new religion; the shopping mall the temple. Professional politicians have been co-opted by the media and advertising industries, offering minor celebrity status in return for the opportunity to dip deep into the public purse. The system may not be corrupt according to the letter of the law but promotes, nevertheless, ambition, venality and self-interest over public service. The phrase “moral compass “ is much in vogue but where is it and what is it? Grounds for pessimism there may well be but never for defeatism; the Creator moves in mysterious ways ;). We live in interesting times.
I am forever impressed with Mr. Anderson; he is a gentleman, a gentle man, intelligent, articulate, well read, a reasoned thinker, and a gracious host to his guests. I admire him tremendously. I admire Mr. Hitchens intellect but hate listening to him speak; he always seems to be muttering to himself - difficult to hear and difficult to understand. And he's not an easy interview as Mr. Anderson found out in this session. Quite frankly, if Mr. Anderson decided he needed to make a video of himself reading the Sydney telephone book, I'd probably watch - at least through the Cs.
What Peter does is modulate his speaking. A lot of middle-class English men seem to do it. Just watch the BBC male newsreaders and you'll see what I mean.
Peter's _"absence of Christianity = less social trust"_ argument stops just short of addressing the real basis of social trust: Ethnic/Racial homogeneity - of which Religious homogeneity is just one product.
It's such a pity that Peter Hitchens has effectively given up to try to make a difference. I can't understand why he would simply allow decline without taking some kind of action other than being a prophet of doom.
@@nickbarton3191 I am not advocating sitting on the sidelines. I am merely pointing out that whatever we do. The end result is that most will reject Christ. Matt 7:13 says, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
@@stuartmenziesfarrant yes but I don't think most people have a clue as to what is happening and why it's happening so I think we are helpless to stop this train wreck that's coming.
What Peter is seeing is the 'political' situation predicted in Biblical eschatology... but what he doesn't seem to see is that same eschatology tells us of an unnumbered multitude of ordinary people standing against tyranny even unto death. There are a greater number of people in this world who are seeing through the lies of the leftist ideologues than he supposes. Humility is a necessity, but what measure of perfection do we measure ourselves to attain humility? Ourselves? Is there a man who is pure truth that we can measure ourselves against?
Humanity has fallen again in it's search for the utopian paradise. Dreaming of a future that will never come. Living in the present that never will be. Trying to remember a past that will never return. Amazing interview. I always enjoy listening to Mr. Hichens insights.
The desperation in Anderson's face as the interview progresses, as Hitchens talks over his questions with a relentless barrage of negativity. What does the latter actually offer? Anyone can relentlessly call the end of times. It doesn't take any particular insight.
Not everyone can explain the fall of western civilisation as originating in WW1, saying how & why, then go on to the end of Britain being so clearly shown during the Suez debacle, then outline every aspect of cultural marxism that finished off the process from the '60s to date.
The soviet union actually reinforced traditional family values banning homosexuality and abortion and placing many legal barriers to divorce, Peter is definitely wrong on that point. I like Peter and respect his views but he needs to realize that left and right is an oversimplification and that not all left wingers are violent revolutionaries bent on overturning every aspect of traditional society. I am definitely left wing and I do respect reasonable non violent conservatives as well as opposing irresponsible left wingers. We need to all work together and learn to compromise.
Surprising that the interviewer did not pursue the contradiction between Hitchens' sense of hopelessness and his belief that we live in an ordered, designed Universe. What does Hitchens think God is doing as our civilisation collapses? Or does he believe that God cares only about the next world?
Peter Hitchins is pessimism personified. He strives ceaselessly to become the most miserable bugger on the planet and has turned this particular vocation of his into an art form. Together with Jordan Peterson, Hitchens rightly recognises that all human life is a struggle between good and evil in a world of suffering, much of it self-inflicted, contradiction and conflict. Unlike Dr Peterson however, Hitchens solution is to moan ad nauseum about the futility of it all and give up. That's why he has no time for the proactive, meaningful, hopeful and liberating message of Dr Peterson. How many lives has Mr Hitchens turned around and inspired to make a difference with his baleful message of doom and gloom without hope this side of the grave?
Well done, J.A., and well said P.H. I was not familiar with Anderson as Deputy PM (I'm a Yank; I'd only see him on the news during some Australian crisis), but nice to see he's now working to enhance the voices of people like Hitchens. This is the first I've seen of Anderson's podcast--impressed enough to subscribe and delve into it further.
Mr Hitchens view of Christianity is rather intriguing. As a the Catholic, I may draw attention to the fact that we have survived the Roman Empire, the Soviet Empire, the spread Islam, Attila the Hun, Alexander the Great, the plague, the French revolution, the enlightenment, the reformation, Darwin, freemasonry. The Catholic Faith remains, and numbers twice what we did in 1970. Matthew 16:18. Ne Timeas.
“There will be persecutions and wars, riots and looting, all manner of deceit and oppression will be practised in the name of angry and revengeful gods. Worse still, all this will be practised in the name of good and men will blindly accept what they are told and execute orders running contrary to their natures. When spirituality has reached its lowest ebb and religion has decayed, the wheel will turn again. Man will either rise up with an influx of spiritual regeneration, or go down and utterly perish in the dark depths of moral degeneracy. The world cannot be permitted to remain a spiritually festering sore failing to serve any purpose.” - The Kolbrin, Wisdom of the Ages, The Book Of Lucius rewritten from The Book Of Pemantris of unknown origin, Chapter Eleven, The Vision of Evening.
@@EmilyRose1 "Men believed that if they kept a dead body so that it remained whole, the soul would not finally enter the Sphere of Accounting. Such was the knowledge of their wickedness and fear of their fate that they used every art to prevent the body falling apart and entering decay. They may have believed that until the soul entered the sphere above Earth it remained flexible and capable of acting to counter some of the ill-effects of a life of wickedness and ignorance. A nation was once made from the blood of kings and it became great and good. The light of Truth was revealed to this nation and it rejoiced in the light, but in a few generations it accepted the light as being something to which it was entitled by heritage. So the nation became careless in the preservation of the light, it was kept in a poorly built and neglected shrine. The winds of adversity came and the light was blown out. Still another nation was made out of slaves and they lit a lamp from the Eternal Flame which belongs to all men. Because they had no veil over their light they were blinded and thought it the only light. They became arrogant and called themselves ‘The Chosen of God’. But it was they who made the choice not He. Though their god was a god above Earth, he was not the God of Mankind, and though he serves The Supreme Spirit he is not The Supreme Spirit.
“They haven’t learned that they’re wrong, they’ve learned how to be wrong better”
I'll do one better. A good liar will always be right when debating a timid honest individual.
@@user-kb1hw2yq2f that's brilliant
Wow! Yes, rather than humbling themselves to take a closer scientific look at "present policies and thoughts" to see if their leading societies in peaceful direction. They just double down to try and force "present policies and thoughts" even if scientific evidence shows great damage to individuals' freedoms etc..
Hes right on many things, but his schtick of pessimism should be seen as a wake-up call, not absolute destiny.
I just look at the national debt in the West, it's crumbling economy and the cultural void that was created this last 50-100 years and I see very little hope. People aren't going to vote for a party (if one even existed) to reverse the damage because it will mean going without and self discipline, instead they'll keep on voting for freebees paid for by our grand children. 2019 is going to be an interesting and potentially frightening year, 10 years after the 2008 crisis we're about to slide back into recession again...what happens then? The decline of our values in the west has also taken place at a shocking pace, I'm middle aged and I remember a country (the UK) that was quite nice, a bit poor but much more cohessive than today.
I agree, Smith.
I don't think its a schtick. I do think its a bit tiresome but I think that's actually how he is. He doesn't care enough to pretend to be otherwise.
How are you feeling now?!?! Destiny my friend?
@@jacobvanveit3437 Im not feeling good. I didnt realise our nations were so weak.
Peter hitchins calls it straight which isn’t very popular in a society in denial
@Cray Fishe
What is this mysterious "final answer" that you seem privy to, but which is somehow denied me? Care to enlighten me?
Right above these comments! Here:
Cray Fishe
Cray Fishe
4 weeks ago
He used to. Not now. He says what he is allowed to say. That goes for us all, though. However, most of us are not allowed to say much. He can say more than us - but it makes no difference, does it? Unless the final answer is said, what's the point of posing the problem?
"Final answer" is in the last sentence.
@Cray Fishe LOL
Philip Martin Hammond Hitchens *
si What is your ideal immigration policy?
There was something about John Anderson that Peter liked, so he opened up and gave one of his best interviews.
Because he was calm and smelt Peter speak his mind fully without interrupting
He could tell that he was intelligent and asked thoughtful questions
he saw a fellow gentleman
yeah proper questions
Use to think Peter was a posh twat when I was a teenager, the older I get, the more I agree with and admire him. Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing.
Wonderful, wise, compassionate Peter Hitchens. Great interview. Thank you.
Your interviews are fantastic and enlightening John. I’m glad you can do these without the biased MSM.
Yes he is a good interviewer because he is prepare to listen. If P Hitchens were interviewed by any of the usual suspects on in the BBC he would be constantly interrupted and talked over, to the point of tedium, because he would be challenging their core beliefs and they cannot cope with that.
The prescience of Peter's recalling the film 'Contagion' to highlight the coming breakdown of social order is chilling. The coronavirus may well prove to be the final nail in fiat currency's coffin.
I had to look at the upload date twice. I was shocked as to what I was listening to
Incredible foresight..he's unfortunately bang on the money. His stance against the Government's reaction to COV-19 since March brought me here.
Last of the great political history intellects, I'm afraid. Learn from him what you can whilst he's still here, active and ALLOWED to have a voice.
James McKay the Con of a virus is the cover for that collapse. But who controls the replacement is the battle now. Trump and a new gold standard. Or the Globalists and a Keynesian Bancor based on the SDR ?
It's now July and this was written in April or May. Man how things have changed. In light of what's happened, I agree with your comment, but my fear is what comes next - YIKES!
David Rhodes Dekulakisation - Make it impossible for small businesses to survive, so wiping out all competition to the Corporates. “ Everything for the state. Nothing against the state. Nothing outside the state”. After the complete financial collapse, depending on the results of USA election, either a new system, using a Crypto currency based on gold. Or a not so crypto digital currency based on the SDR - Like Keynes original Bancor.
John Anderson is one of the greatest intervjuers nowadays, surely rivaled only by Peter Robinson at the Hoover Institution. This was a brilliant intervjue, Peter Hitchens is surely prophetic, God help us all
Totally agree!
Per Person no this man is doom and gloom and god is love
"I don't do temporal hope". What a depressing, if enlightening, interview.
He believes in everlasting hope. 😊
@@1969cmp Amen, Jesus is THE only hope ultimately.
Peter should talk about China more often. Absolutely spot on.
I don't know actually. I find China interesting but it seems to have the same issues previous empires in the past had and that was too high authoritarianism and a lack of sentimentality for the places they conquer.
For example Malaysia (usually a one party state) for the first time has elected a different party led by a 90 year old on the basis of fighting Chinese expansionism into their country. China has invested huge amounts of money into Malaysia but at the expense of the Malaysian people ( for example a new city named forest city has been built based on Chinese money but the residents are mainly Chinese and not even the old Chinese families that have lived there for generations) and an old anti Chinese ethos has started to develop there.
China will expand I have no doubt, it needs to because there is very little resource wealth there and there is that public will which Peter Hitchens spoke about driven a lot by the shame of the century of humiliation. However it runs over the nations around it with very little regard whereas the American Empire leaves foreign cultures with a lot of autonomy but less military. Japan for example spreads the American sphere of influence through military bases as punishment for WW2 but at the same time there isn't an anti American sentiment there and Japan has say in all its domestic matters other than military.
China is expanding through debt traps disguised as foreign investment and has a very Chinese supremacist mindset. So I think it will fail due to it pissing off all the countries it needs to prosper from. I agree with Peter though it is inspiring but deeply unsettling to see its rise.
@@RiksFunStuff China has a population of 1.4 billion - more than America, Eastern & Western Europe combined. It only need to half-succeed to utterly dominate. I too went to China, and I saw the same colossal factory Peter saw. It is a gigantic airport terminal where nobody is really at home. The people worship money. They need not fully succeed. They have a very low bar to clear. The only thing that is more powerful is Western ideals; and these are not nearly strong enough even within the West, let alone against he coming Eastern onslaught. I am an Australian. You can already see Chinese influence *everywhere* here.
@@MasterSimpkins I think the Chinese influence is only let in rather than forced in though. So in general I think people will wake up to what the Chinese empire is shaping up to be and stop it when it starts to expand as Malaysia has started to do now realizing Chinese "investment" has a bit of a catch.
I think Australia banned Huawei phone masts recently due to security concerns recently too or something along those lines. Something to do with data and such. (I might be wrong on the exact details but I remember it was over security concerns about Chinese companies and state influence).
So I think in general the countries China seeks to influence just simply won't trust it and that is fatal as China has no modern resources at its disposal. It needs oil from the middle east, hard materials from Africa and has a large population it needs to provide a modern lifestyle for. All while the current government is oppressive to its people and still have the atrocities of Mao looming over their heads. I think if China experiences any negative growth or a stall in the economy which does seem to be looming, the political situation will get quite bad for the communist party and that coupled with its Chinese supremacist attitude to the countries it needs under its belt will lead to its crumbling.
I think if China adopted Western political ideals however it would be quite unstoppable. Like Japan on steroids. If China approached empire like the Americans do they would easily rule the world with the Chinese work ethic behind ideals of freedom.
Riktor - China does have some important resources, like coal, but more importantly it has an almost monopoly on the World supply of Rare Earth materials (in case you don't know, Rare Earth is essential in the production of electronics. No Rare Earth materials = no electronics).
But yes, China is expanding in to numerous Third World Countries because those countries have the raw materials that China wants.
"The American Empire leaves foreign cultures with a lot of autonomy" - I think you meant countries, not cultures.
The American Culture has infiltrated and permeated practically every country on the planet through Hollywood movies, TV, clothing (I am wearing jeans - out of choice - as I write this), music, technology (all the computers used in the World use either Microsoft or Apple Operating Systems). There's probably other examples but I think you get the picture.
Oooops! I've just remembered the USA involvement (usually through the CIA) in the change of governments of many countries throughout the World since WW2. Examples include, but are not limited to, Iran (1953), Chile (1973), many Sub-Saharan African and Latin American countries as well as supporting brutal dictators in South Korea, The Philippines, Saddam Hussein in Iraq (while it suited them) and even my own country of New Zealand in 1974.
For the most part there may not be anti-American sentiment in Japan but the women that have been occasionally raped over the years by the American servicemen stationed on Okinawa may disagree.
As for the Huawei thing: The USA, Australia, New Zealand and (I think) Canada banned Huawei from operating in their countries because of its link to the Chinese military and they see this as a way of setting up spying equipment within those countries communication networks (in other words, if you make a call on a Huawei phone the Chinese government may be listening).
I would like to see China become a democracy as you seem to want but the instrument of the Chinese state is too strong for that, at least for the foreseeable future. However 2026 is the year of the Fire Horse and if you want to know the significance of that then the pervious Fire Horse years were 1966 (Cultural Revolution) and 1906 (lots of demonstrations and protests in China).
“It’s extraordinary how gullible people are”
Keep up the good work John, pity you aren't still a politics here as a reasoned and sound mind against the madness though i think you know what would happen to you if you were still in politics and expressed these views. Though there is still strength left in the world of men... The men of the West might arise from their slumber and fight for all that is good and green in the world or the whole world will turn to darkness...(I'm paraphrasing Tolkien here of course). If people do not have the intellect to see what is coming or the will to fight it then people will get what they deserve... But as Peter said it is the civilised who will suffer but only for a short time as there won't be any civlised people left before long..
That Tolkien reference is very apt. We hold on to The Shire for as long as we can.
Hahahaha! John Anderson was completely stumped near the end. You gotta love Hitchens.
Hitchens is pretty much spot on about everything ...never heard him before this but I could listen to him muse all day every day.
Peter seems decidedly black pilled, while at the same time there are moments of rebellious hope ( such as 39:40 ) that John manages to excavate. A great interview, thankyou to all involved.
Yes he’s quite openly done with trying to change anything, he tried for years and found it futile and is just going to watch it all burn. A pity, he’s a great man.
John Anderson is fantastic and immensely pleasurable to listen to, from the UK 🇬🇧
We need to embrace our Christian culture and heritage. Rejecting multi culturalism, feminism, no fault divorce, pornography. And embrace the classic teachings again. Virtue, morality, responsibility and Christian family.
@Australian Meditations already am subscribed check out VertigoPolitix TH-cam channel
You can't be serious to say embrace our Christian culture
@@slurmcarey3069 Idiot
@@slurmcarey3069 Christianity is our (the west's) culture.
@@joanketelby752 And you think we should embrace it? I dont think so
Great interview! Hes really the better Hitchens ..
Indeed. Peter grew up, Christopher never did. Though Peter is a lesser conversationalist to put it mildly
I still enjoy both, because they were educated thinkers
Christopher was by far the more gifted rhetorician and had a greater wit but Peter possesses a rare moral wisdom.
He's nowhere near the intellect of the late great Christopher.
Sure he is .... Christopher just had more charisma and fluffy poise.
Not even going to wait to watch it before giving it a thumbs up. *Edit* - I was right. Absolutely outstanding.
14:04 John "I would have joined the hitler youth" Anderson, cant wait for this to be taken out of context.
In a Totalitarian country you don't have any choice in these matters.
Most people would have voted for the nazi party in pre war Germany. When money becomes useless, political violence in the streets, a nation forced to denigrate there own nation and pay a unbelievable reparations. And one party promises to restore order and pride you’d vote for it. That’s why I don’t view the average 1930s German as a monster.
i'm hoping this channel gets a lot more viewers. i'm centre-left and for anyone not far left or far right. reasonable political points of view are hard to find online.
Oh yes, the good old centre-ground. A place where everyone's miserable.
JapanJohnny2012
Prove it, using mathematics. I expect references to the Minsky Moment, or Ito’s Lemma
Good luck !
JapanJohnny2012 I’m far more right, but I’m always drawn to these discussions, because we need to discuss the difficult issue full on, debate and dissect them, even when they are painful.
Try the Rubin report and Hoover institution on TH-cam
francescop1
Yes. Excellent spots to listen and learn from!
One of my favorite anecdotes:
After the battle for Cherbourg was over, German prisoners were paraded through the city on their way to detention. The local French people stood by the side of the road, cursing them and spitting on them. The Americans were very amused by this until some fellow GI's told them that just the week before, the Germans were parading American prisoners through the city, and the local French people stood by the side of the road cursing them and spitting at them.
Most people simply follow whoever appears to be winning at the time, they have no guiding principles or morals.
No prophet is honored in his own land....
I've followed a number of interviews of Peter Hitchens and watched snippets of him on UK TV, but this 44 minutes is simply the best of the lot, so far.
In 1882 Nietzsche declared that god is dead..The wave that Peter is describing has been rolling towards the shore ever since..
Conspiracy Dave God aint dead. People who denies Him are dead
@@appalachiahiker853 Which god is dead?
The one that neitzche referred to.
@@appalachiahiker853 Secularism won the battle for control of mainstream Western culture. As a cultural force, God is dead.
city_of_compton 68 and so the nation and its culture
Peter Hitchens is a highly intelligent man, but I'm amazed Mr Anderson doggedly continued to ask questions in the face of such overwhelming pessimism. I almost sense he gets a perverse pleasure in his negative stance vis a vis the future.
Does the condemned man get perverse pleasure contemplating his death at the rising of the Sun?
@@petergregory8864 'Do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day'.
I share Hitchen's pessimism. The foundations of our civilization have already crumbled. Any number of things could finish it off, but don't look to politicians for salvation. I only hope that I don't live long enough to experience the end.
I've got 3 years to go until I retire, then about another 25-30 years of life after that.
It should be interesting to watch...
It won’t be pretty. I’m 40 and I see it approaching like a wildfire. You have to look beyond his pessimism though. As should he. Letting it play out. If he truly believed in scripture from front to back? He’d be comforted in knowing it’s almost over. Armageddon anyone? What comes after is where hope is sustained.
Incredible interview. Thank you.
This is how you conduct an interview. Ask good questions, listen to the answers, and respond on occasion to the answers given.
John isn't usually so bemused by what's he is hearing. Don't be a fool.
@@TheYanbibiya, and how do you know he is bemused by what he is hearing? Could it be that that's your reaction to what you are hearing, and not the interviewers by any chance?
Watching this on the 14/5/2020 and it is eerily accurate!
It's accurate because the Bible makes it clear. Read it.
Wether you agree or disagree with Peter Hitchens views. He continues to bring a different viewpoint and challenges you to rethink and research history. He is always clear and concise in debate and does not try to push his views down your throat. He tells it as he sees it and lets you make up your own mind. I can see why both left wing and the right wing tend to despise him. Mr Hitchens is always interesting to listen to. Thank You Mr Hitchens for sharing your views.
Astro Peanut
You are quite right I despise him for writing for that rag of a newspaper. I despise him for denying man made climate change. I despise him for wanting to teach the alternative theory to the Theory of Evolution in our public schools. He appears to think that the UK was a much better place when we were building all our own stuff and wants to impose protections so that we can once again do that. I was around during those early post war days when working conditions were dire and health and safety along with other social conditions were dreadful. Hitchens says we would take a knock in our living standard to do so but it would be worth it. Note the use of the word WE in fact it would have very little affect on Hitchens living standards but a drastic affect on the vast majority of working people.
If he wants to worship some magic man in the sky good luck to him but don't push it onto other people who don't believe such nonsense.
Tridhos - Peter said in this interview, and I have heard him say it in others, that he specifically does not want to turn the clock back.
So much of what Peter described in this interview is truer now, a year later. The mark of a truly great mind.
Yes!!
And truer still, 3 years later
Another brilliant interview , some days I am as pessimistic as this gentleman other days my faith rises and I know in my heart curve balls can come at any time and maybe God is not done with us just yet. Very interesting times we find ourselves living in though, very interesting, it is as they say, always darkest before the dawn.
Peter is entirely correct about the seeming obliviousness of our cultural elite to our predicament. In fact if you work for the BBC or The Guardian you probably think that the good times are just getting started.
Some will come over to our way of thinking as harsh realities crystallise but others will blame us for the failures of their utopian visions. They shall think that if only we did not protest and resist they would have that which they desire. And so they will not adjust their expectations but instead intensify their hatred directed towards us.
They aren't oblivious and you're a fool if you think they genuinely are. Remember that when we talk of "elites" we are talking about some of the most intelligent, educated, and well-informed people this side of the world has to offer, and I find it impossible to seriously accept that these people don't know exactly what they're doing.
@@50centpb7 elites are all you say they are, but ignorant as well in that many also believe incorrectly, that their expertice extends to many areas outside their field.
Watching this now... Wow. The writing on the wall seems clear and it's quite scary. I wonder what the future holds for us.
Reason cannot be expected to choose between good and evil infallibly because the will has been corrupted. We all understand how little control we have over our lives, at least we have all have placed in a situation where we see how quickly it all could collapse. But if we survive, if we continue to live our humdrum lives without total disaster, we tend to develop this false confidence that it will all work our in the end. In the end, of course, we are all dead. If we reject the notion of the Resurrection, I think it is because we don’t want to be judged for all the evil we have done or the good we have not done. Most of us are pathetic versions of what we might have been. The irony is that we all, looking back, fail to see where we we went wrong.
Judy S. Thought provoking comment. Would have liked to know what your starting point is, use of language makes me think a religious one? I think many of us have an inclination of where we went wrong but very few us have the humility and the courage to let it surface to our consciousness, because once you acknowledge it then you have the unenviable and difficult task of rectifying it and who needs that? It is a lot easier to point out other people’s wrong doings!! Be well.
I'd love to know what Peter Hitchens thinks of Oswald Spengler.
Excellent interview. Peter is a national treasure, even if he betrays a certain snobbery in his dislike of popularism, Trump, etc.
Great interview. Challenging. I would like to hear some perspective on the movement of Chinese Christians particularly their migration to the West. From my vantage point it seems the next wave of hope that John presses for seems to be the rise of the Chinese Christian community. Within next 15 years, will they hold seats of political and educational power and influence?
We have Chinese monks where I live. Have you ever wondered what happened to Tibetan monks?
The only way Chinese Christians could attain seats of political and educational power and influence in China is to become members of the Chinese Communist Party.
Can you realistically see that happening?
Because Wisdom and Knowledge are like East and West. You can know everything - but have zero wisdom on how to use that knowledge.
@An Deoscience
/ˈsʌɪəns/ Middle English (denoting knowledge): from Old French, from Latin scientia, from scire ‘know’.
I guess the meaning has changed
Thanks for all the work you put into these interviews, John. It’s much appreciated.
Exactly what Peter says at 13 minutes. People are so frustratingly gullible. Countless times I've held discussions where I think I'm getting through to someone only for them to carry on spouting the same mindless leftist drivel the very next day.
People I care about and for whom I hold respect. Absolutely infuriating, but this is the curse we carry.
Why is this only 45 minutes long?
I was born in Southampton went to Freemantle CofE School and was in the choir in 1966 for
7 years WE visited Mayflower Park often, watching the Liners like RMS Queen Elizabeth & Mary.
We are listening to you Peter.
I remember ads on TV during the 1960s for Shaw Savill liners going to and from the UK: The Northern Star and the Southern Cross.
I do agree with Peter how gullible people are.But can you blame them the amount of rubbish we are fed day in day out you come to a point not knowing what to belief.if so many of our population are struggling to survive,Be it decent housing health and social care.so many children with a poor education or grow up without any ground rules soceity will change.Christianity kept people in a certain fear.God will punish you if you do wrong.That is what we were taught when I was a child.This soceity isn't bothered about fear live for today to hell with tomorrow.I am more worried about the harm we are doing to our planet and I'm not so sure if we are that civilised with our modern technology.We have poor leadership and when these leaders open their mouths so much are lies.We see young children die in unnecessary wars all for the love of power and money.Don't you forget we are the goodies they are the baddies we are told regularly.I don't care if somebody is Moslim Christian or a humanist We live a short time on this planet let's try to do it together in peace..
Mr. Black pill himself, just like me.
People are waking up and noticing things are changing. Problem is, they've forgotten, and don't know how to debate subjects deeper, or more complex, than who'll win the Super Bowl.
He really did try to end on an optimistic note lol
What a brilliant starting analogy in the first 2 and a half minutes. Brilliant.
I have noticed that when Mr. Hitchens brings up the ease of modern “no fault” divorce and the usurpation of ethics and morality by secular subjective civil authority, It is almost always brushed aside, as though lacking any importance.
Something wrong with Peter's mike. I can hear you fine John but I'm straining to hear Peter.
What has struck me lately in conversations with politically left leaning friends, family and acquaintances, is it is virtually impossible to get them to stay on topic with an issue they are uncomfortable about. Rather than attempt to expose the weaknesses or flaws in my point, fact or expose'. They always shift the discussion to another unrelated topic, person, or immaturely just insist I am wrong, without any context as to why. When I attempt to draw them back to the topic, person, etc. in question, they inevitably accuse me of being or supporting something I am not. If in their estimation I support this, person or position, they feel justified in ignoring what I am saying. This has happened numerous times lately. The most common accusation thrown at me is, "Well you are a Trump lover". I am Canadian, my friends, family and acquaintances are Canadians. Yet inevitably this accusation is thrown at me, when I begin proving the failings of socialism, the utter insanity of Black Lives Matter groups tearing down Canadian memorials of our historical figures, or the destruction left in the aftermath of their allegedly peaceful protests even here in Canada. This is becoming one of the darkest moments in history, because it is the most idiotic. Only one person has ever got back to me and said, "Calling you a Trump lover, was a real stupid thing for me to say. I thought about I conversation later, and it began to bother me, insomuch that I could not believe the only reply I could think of at the time was, you are a Trump lover. I am sorry". US media, is doing a great disservice to people everywhere, by laying all the problems occurring in North American at the feet of one person, to the point where their obsession for vilifying President Trump, is becoming infectious. So much so, that it seems to be influencing the ability of people everywhere to engage is civil discourse.
I don't even agree with Peter Hitchens on a lot of things, but I'm about ready to throw myself into a volcano after that.
Excellent video!
Commenting to give it a boost in the TH-cam algorithm
Same!
Not afraid to speak his mind and very smart. 183,000 views shows people aren't spending much time thinking these days or examining their own beliefs.
“A crowd has a mental life inferior in intellectual quality and emotionally less under voluntary control than the mental life of each of its members in isolation. The mental life of a group is not inferior, either intellectually or emotionally, to the mental life of the individuals composing it and may, in favourable circumstances, actually be superior.
The significant psychological facts about the crowd are as follows. The tone of crowd emotion is essentially orgiastic and dionysiac. In virtue of his membership of the crowd, the individual is released from the limitations of his personality, made free of the sub-personal, sub-human world of unrestrained feeling and uncriticized belief. To be a member of a crowd is an experience closely akin to alcoholic intoxication. Most human beings feel a craving to escape from the cramping limitations of their ego, to take periodical holidays from their all too familiar, all too squalid little self. As they do not know how to travel upwards from personality into a region of super-personality and as they are unwilling, even if they know, to fulfill the ethical, psychological and physiological conditions of self-transcendence, they turn naturally to the descending road, the road that leads down from personality to the darkness of sub-human emotionalism and panic animality. Hence the persistent craving for narcotics and stimulants, hence the never-failing attraction of the crowd. The success of the dictators is due in large measure to their extremely skilful exploitation of the universal human need for escape from the limitations of personality. Perceiving that people wished to take holidays from themselves in sub-human emotionality, they have systematically provided their subjects with the occasions for doing so. The Communists denounce religion as the opium of the people; but all they have done is to replace this old drug by a new one of similar composition. For crowd around the relic of the saint they have substituted the crowd at the political meeting; for religious procession, military reviews and May Day parades. It is the same with the Fascist dictators. In all the totalitarian states the masses are persuaded, and even compelled, to take periodic holidays from themselves in the sub-human world of crowd emotion. It is significant that while they encourage and actually command the descent in sub-humanity, the dictators do all they can to prevent men from taking the upward road from personal limitation the road that leads towards non-attachment to the ‘things of this world’ and attachment to that which is super-personal. The higher the manifestations of religion are far more suspect to the tyrants than the lower - and with reason. For the man who escapes from egotism into super-personality has transcended his idolatrous loyalty, not only to himself, but also to the local divinities - nation, party, class, deified boss. Self-transcendence, escape from the prison of the ego into union with what is above personality, is generally accomplished in solitude. That is why tyrants like to herd their subjects into those vast crowds, in which the individual is reduced to a state of intoxicated sub-humanity.” - Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means, An Enquiry into the Nature of Ideals and into the Methods employed for their Realization, 1938.
32:37 - This is what irks me about Peter Hitchens, he assumes atheists are thinking certain things and no matter how many times one denies this, he will simply claim we are indeed thinking those things. For example when he claims that atheists are unwilling to discuss why we would want to live in a universe which has no god, he has presented a question which has a serious flaw, that is an atheist doesn't believe in god, want never comes into it and so it's quite impossible to discuss a motivation we do not possess.
Then he goes on to claim a belief in god is a moral choice and it cannot possibly be based upon reason, well again he has presented a malformed question as it is the person who makes the positive claim who has to provide proof. There is no evidence for a god, therefore I don't believe in god, this is the same for fairies, elves and ghosts. Peter wants to frame this as a moral question because he can then insinuate that his opponents are not moral people, it's a roundabout ad hominem and his argument is the same one which has been dismantled many times over the centuries. I respect the mans intellect, he is well read and has a great deal of knowledge and experience, but the issue of god will always come back to the simple problem of there being no evidence of such a beings existence.
Peter is a God send... I admire his resilience👌🔝🔝
This is deep and true. Dont look for hope in Politics is a great Fact . Thank god we dont live forever.
Pavel Trofimovich Morozov (Russian: Па́вел Трофи́мович Моро́зов; 14 November 1918 - 3 September 1932), better known by the diminutive Pavlik, was a Soviet youth praised by the Soviet press as a martyr. His story, dated to 1932, is that of a 13-year-old boy who denounced his father to the authorities and was in turn killed by his family. His story was a subject of reading, songs, plays, a symphonic poem, a full-length opera and six biographies. The apotheosic cult had a huge impact on the moral norms of generations of children, who were encouraged to inform on their parents.[1]
There is very little original evidence related to the story, much of it hearsay provided by second-hand witnesses. According to modern research, the story (denunciation, trial) is most likely false, although Pavlik was a real child who was killed. Morozov's story was the basis of Bezhin Meadow, an unreleased film from 1937 that was directed by Sergei Eisenstein, as well as the 2015 Latvian film Dawn.
A technical point. Peter mumbles and speaks very quietly. It would have been better if his mic volume was turned up a bit more.
Great interview - Peter Hitchens saying it the way it is - speaking the truth.
God help us !!!
Love Hitchens, but am frustrated by remarks like th-cam.com/video/V7K1A8jgF1w/w-d-xo.html. There is a third choice: you can live in a world dictated by rationality and *still* have a moral obligation to humanity. Our biological make-up defines a set of behaviors that maximize our survivability as a species. These behaviors include interactions at the individual, community, and societal levels. That is morality -- and it's a morality that exists whether or not one believes we were created by God or the product of random atoms crashing together.
His politics may have changed but Hitchens' position about the infallibility of his own self-righteousness has not changed since his Bolshevik days. Arrogance personified, he's found his proper home nestling in the pages of the Daily Heil.
Hitchens is a miserable git... but I fear he's more right than wrong.
But cheers for the interview gentlemen was a pleasurable if a pessimistic discussion and i personally hope and pray that the technology of this age may enrich people with enough wisdom to pull them from there malaise(i wish i didn't keep thinking of Huxley's Brave New World while writing this) and engage fully with the troubles of our times.
Jess Montgomery what makes you think he’s miserable ? He’s said in the past he doesn’t smile because he thinks he has an ugly smile lol
Unfortunately the technology of this age is a double-edged sword (as these things usually are).
Alexia seems to be listening in to peoples conversations even when she is turned off (?!), computer operating systems are becoming out-of-date faster and Cell Phones are becoming a necessity rather than a luxury.
HItchens is perhaps my favorite intellectual in the world right now.
Whenever I watch Peter I feel like I don't agree with him on much but at the same time I agree with everything. I come at it from a very different perspective, but never the less I believe his projections need to be taken very seriously.
The judgmental side of me sees (on the surface) an out of touch Christian who's views seems colonial and somewhat draconian. But I honestly believe this guy just really cares and can clearly see the damage of to much liberal leftism. My moral compass is very left leaning, I'm an atheist and a INFP personality type. Basically I'm live and let live and a bit of a dreamer. Thing is the way all this mental stuff if playing out we are going to be crying out for a return to our grandparents world of respect and social responsibility. I was always a big fan of his brother but I have to say, go Peter! and for what it's worth he has my respect.
JPS JPS live and let live unless you have an opinion that’s different than mine...must be silenced! (E.g the transgender issue)
There is no live and let live in leftism.
He dislikes democracy and wants the church to have more authority. Basically he wants theocracy, like Iran or Saudi Arabia.
I do like P Hitchens but his constant interruption of JA's question before he's finished throughout this interview is persistently irksome. Just politely hear him out. Not difficult.
“Men have gods in Heaven and gods on Earth, but Heaven is for gods and earth for men. Thus did we write our own doom.” - The Kolbrin, Wisdom Of The Ages, The Book Of Scrolls formerly called The Book Of Books Or The Lesser Book Of The Sons Of Fire this being The Third Book Of The BronzeBook, Chapter Thirty-Three, The Scroll of Herakat.
Predicting COVID 7:45
JA and PH a dream conversation - note JA didn't ask where the coal China uses comes from....
China has its own coal, but I know what you mean. Both New Zealand and Australia export coal to China.
For almost two generations young people, in significant numbers, have been leaving school with no religion and no understanding of history; not even of their own family’s origins. Commercial media tell them what to think, tertiary education is an assembly line of modules teaching vocational skills shorn of the key elements necessary for the ability to think independently. Consumerism is the new religion; the shopping mall the temple. Professional politicians have been co-opted by the media and advertising industries, offering minor celebrity status in return for the opportunity to dip deep into the public purse. The system may not be corrupt according to the letter of the law but promotes, nevertheless, ambition, venality and self-interest over public service. The phrase “moral compass “ is much in vogue but where is it and what is it? Grounds for pessimism there may well be but never for defeatism; the Creator moves in mysterious ways ;). We live in interesting times.
I am forever impressed with Mr. Anderson; he is a gentleman, a gentle man, intelligent, articulate, well read, a reasoned thinker, and a gracious host to his guests. I admire him tremendously. I admire Mr. Hitchens intellect but hate listening to him speak; he always seems to be muttering to himself - difficult to hear and difficult to understand. And he's not an easy interview as Mr. Anderson found out in this session.
Quite frankly, if Mr. Anderson decided he needed to make a video of himself reading the Sydney telephone book, I'd probably watch - at least through the Cs.
Welcome to the posh version of the English accent... Your reaction is entirely subjective and should not detract from the message.
What Peter does is modulate his speaking. A lot of middle-class English men seem to do it. Just watch the BBC male newsreaders and you'll see what I mean.
@@kiwitrainguy It's rather an odd affectation, isn't it? With all due respect, Kiwi, I'll pass on watching the BBC. Thanks for you kind comment.
Peter's _"absence of Christianity = less social trust"_ argument stops just short of addressing the real basis of social trust: Ethnic/Racial homogeneity - of which Religious homogeneity is just one product.
looking at what has happened this past year Peter speaks truth.
It's such a pity that Peter Hitchens has effectively given up to try to make a difference. I can't understand why he would simply allow decline without taking some kind of action other than being a prophet of doom.
Yes, there is no "use by date" on the Great Commission (Gospel of Matthew Chapter 28, verses 18-20)
The great commission is a call to save as many as possible, but most will run toward eternal destruction. Read your Bible again.
@@stuartmenziesfarrantwe're also called to be "salt" to preserve and to do good to all men, not just to sit on the sidelines.
@@nickbarton3191 I am not advocating sitting on the sidelines. I am merely pointing out that whatever we do. The end result is that most will reject Christ. Matt 7:13 says, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
@@stuartmenziesfarrant yet He will bring many sons to glory - Hebrews. It's not all doom thankfully, actually far from it. 😃
jesus christ...HE'S RIGHT
Jesus Christ is our ONLY hope.
@@stuartmenziesfarrant yes but I don't think most people have a clue as to what is happening and why it's happening so I think we are helpless to stop this train wreck that's coming.
What Peter is seeing is the 'political' situation predicted in Biblical eschatology... but what he doesn't seem to see is that same eschatology tells us of an unnumbered multitude of ordinary people standing against tyranny even unto death. There are a greater number of people in this world who are seeing through the lies of the leftist ideologues than he supposes.
Humility is a necessity, but what measure of perfection do we measure ourselves to attain humility? Ourselves?
Is there a man who is pure truth that we can measure ourselves against?
Humanity has fallen again in it's search for the utopian paradise.
Dreaming of a future that will never come.
Living in the present that never will be.
Trying to remember a past that will never return.
Amazing interview. I always enjoy listening to Mr. Hichens insights.
I place my hope in the general collapse that is coming.
Let it happen. And soon, soon.
THEN we can rebuild our civilization.
damn this is real depressing, saying this as a depressed person..
"If you're going through hell, keep going." Strength and honor, my friend.
Diet causes depression.
Avoid industrially processed grain or seed oils, refined carbs and processed foods.
M@ - That's a goods quote. Similar to the one: "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".
They should have cast Peter Hitchens as Gandalf in LOTR. The series would've lasted 20 mins after Gandalf told Frodo not to bother.
Well that was quite depressing.....thanks Peter.
he is so much like his Brother , great thinkers with spine both of them
What an interview. A great guest demands an amazing interviewer.
We all would have been part of the communist pioneers in Russia in 1917 as well. Idealism ideology is so tempting.
The desperation in Anderson's face as the interview progresses, as Hitchens talks over his questions with a relentless barrage of negativity. What does the latter actually offer? Anyone can relentlessly call the end of times. It doesn't take any particular insight.
Not everyone can explain the fall of western civilisation as originating in WW1, saying how & why, then go on to the end of Britain being so clearly shown during the Suez debacle, then outline every aspect of cultural marxism that finished off the process from the '60s to date.
Thank you and God bless you Peter.
The soviet union actually reinforced traditional family values banning homosexuality and abortion and placing many legal barriers to divorce, Peter is definitely wrong on that point. I like Peter and respect his views but he needs to realize that left and right is an oversimplification and that not all left wingers are violent revolutionaries bent on overturning every aspect of traditional society. I am definitely left wing and I do respect reasonable non violent conservatives as well as opposing irresponsible left wingers. We need to all work together and learn to compromise.
A great interview thank you
Jaw dropping candor. Thank you.
Surprising that the interviewer did not pursue the contradiction between Hitchens' sense of hopelessness and his belief that we live in an ordered, designed Universe. What does Hitchens think God is doing as our civilisation collapses? Or does he believe that God cares only about the next world?
Brilliantly pragmatic and morbid! Peter Hitchens always great. Poor John..the pauses kept getting longer and longer.
Peter Hitchins is pessimism personified. He strives ceaselessly to become the most miserable bugger on the planet and has turned this particular vocation of his into an art form. Together with Jordan Peterson, Hitchens rightly recognises that all human life is a struggle between good and evil in a world of suffering, much of it self-inflicted, contradiction and conflict. Unlike Dr Peterson however, Hitchens solution is to moan ad nauseum about the futility of it all and give up. That's why he has no time for the proactive, meaningful, hopeful and liberating message of Dr Peterson. How many lives has Mr Hitchens turned around and inspired to make a difference with his baleful message of doom and gloom without hope this side of the grave?
To understand why, listen to or read Christopher Hitchens talk about their early lives and their education prior to university.
Well done, J.A., and well said P.H. I was not familiar with Anderson as Deputy PM (I'm a Yank; I'd only see him on the news during some Australian crisis), but nice to see he's now working to enhance the voices of people like Hitchens. This is the first I've seen of Anderson's podcast--impressed enough to subscribe and delve into it further.
Mr Hitchens view of Christianity is rather intriguing. As a the Catholic, I may draw attention to the fact that we have survived the Roman Empire, the Soviet Empire, the spread Islam, Attila the Hun, Alexander the Great, the plague, the French revolution, the enlightenment, the reformation, Darwin, freemasonry. The Catholic Faith remains, and numbers twice what we did in 1970. Matthew 16:18. Ne Timeas.
Will it survive Vatican II?
I think I'm "woke" up!
“There will be persecutions and wars, riots and looting, all manner of deceit and oppression will be practised in the name of angry and revengeful gods. Worse still, all this will be practised in the name of good and men will blindly accept what they are told and execute orders running contrary to their natures.
When spirituality has reached its lowest ebb and religion has decayed, the wheel will turn again. Man will either rise up with an influx of spiritual regeneration, or go down and utterly perish in the dark depths of moral degeneracy. The world cannot be permitted to remain a spiritually festering sore failing to serve any purpose.” - The Kolbrin, Wisdom of the Ages, The Book Of Lucius rewritten from The Book Of Pemantris of unknown origin, Chapter Eleven, The Vision of Evening.
Amazing !!!!
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"Men believed that if they kept a dead body so that it remained whole, the soul would not finally enter the Sphere of Accounting. Such was the knowledge of their wickedness and fear of their fate that they used every art to prevent the body falling apart and entering decay. They may have believed that until the soul entered the sphere above Earth it remained flexible and capable of acting to counter some of the ill-effects of a life of wickedness and ignorance.
A nation was once made from the blood of kings and it became great and good. The light of Truth was revealed to this nation and it rejoiced in the light, but in a few generations it accepted the light as being something to which it was entitled by heritage. So the nation became careless in the preservation of the light, it was kept in a poorly built and neglected shrine. The winds of adversity came and the light was blown out.
Still another nation was made out of slaves and they lit a lamp from the Eternal Flame which belongs to all men. Because they had no veil over their light they were blinded and thought it the only light. They became arrogant and called themselves ‘The Chosen of God’. But it was they who made the choice not He. Though their god was a god above Earth, he was not the God of Mankind, and though he serves The Supreme Spirit he is not The Supreme Spirit.
You are welcome.
@@EmilyRose1 Interesting FuTube or 'John' will not allow the full text to be presented.