Budget Engine Honing
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- Perform a Budget Engine Honing job at home with a $45 Flex-Hone Dingle Ball/Dingleberry/Bottle Brush Hone. If you are building a budget engine, it might not need an expensive trip to the machine shop. Honing with a ball-style hone, might be all that's need to freshen up the block on your budget engine. You this build, I only had about 0.001" of taper and out of round on the 350 chevy small block. So i planned to just throw a set on fresh piston rings after honing the bores. This hone called for a 500-800 RPM speed, so my Dewalt Cordless Drill was perfect on low speed. With a 500RPM rotational speed, one stroke per minute in the cylinder bore produced the perfect 45 degree crosshatch pattern. I used transmission oil as a lubricant, but a thin engine oil would work just fine, as well as the Flex-Hone Honing Oil. I honed for about 30 seconds on the first bore, and the hone became a little less abrasive as I went along. So i ended up honing the the last cylinder in the engine for nearly a minute. The honing removed less than 0.0005". That's 5 ten-thousandths of an inch, not 5 thousandths. So you don't have to worry about removing too much material. Just follow the instructions, use plenty of oil, and ensure you are using the appropriate bore strokes per minute to get the 45 degree crosshatch. And most importantly, clean the bores and the rest of the engine thoroughly before assembly. Engine honing produces very fine particulate matter that does not play nice with bearing surfaces.
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Has anyone confirmed this isn’t Bert kreischer doing a bit?
Burnt Chrysler 😉
😂😂😂
He's not squealing, moronic and shirtless so no, not Bert.
@@lukenewjersey you think I won’t??? I’m The Machine!!! (In Russian Accent)
@@freedomworx LOL 🤣🤣
Yo Burt has a side hustle
The Machine!!!!
Brent is every where.
@@89gt5.0 good ole bruce
It's like an amorph between Tom and Bert
Damn, he's pretty smart once he sobers up
Used that exact hone to re build the 170k mile lt1 in my 93 vette, 7 yrs later, it still runs like a top and dosent burn a drop of oil.
Ever had to deal with a rich condition? I've been chasing it around for maybe a half-year now. It's the gremlin in my Buick.
@frikyouall not really is fuel injected and tuned. I'd say it runs a bit rich, but it has no cats and slightly larger injectors. Why do you ask?
@@jumpinjimmyg2164 In hopes to find someone with a stock engine who fixed it, I suppose. Dang thing has almost entirely new ignition components at this point, and the gremlin's still in there. Might have to take the cats off soon, myself, because they're gonna burn if the thing keeps vomiting fuel.
Oh well. 'Vette sounds like a fun time, bud. Congrats on the good work. 🇺🇸
@@frikyouall you have an lt1?
@@jumpinjimmyg2164 Yup. '94 Roadmaster. OBD1, but not the kind you wire jump. P.O. didn't lift a finger to maintain the thing.
Back in the early 80's I worked at a garden tractor repair shop, and we'd hone Tecumseh and Koehler engines out like that all day after re-ringing them and replacing the bearings. They run like new.
Not perfect...but good enough! 😎
I wouldn’t do this on a road vehicle but tractors and that kinda stuff can probably handle this
@@RedHaloManiac95 a cylinder is a cylinder 🤷🏻♂️. It’s good enough for this application 👍
@@freedomworx a cylinder is not a cylinder lmao. So a top fuel is the same as a smart car? Nope not even close. Difference cylinder pressures different compression different rings different linings different compression chambers different everything
@@RedHaloManiac95 interesting that you bring up Top Fuel… those teams use these hones on their cylinders between every round 🤷🏻♂️. And yes, a cylinder is a cylinder. Some are thicker, some are made of different materials, but they are all the same shape… A diesel tractor makes a lot more cylinder pressure than a Chevy Small Block…So the choice to do this to a tractor but not a low compression gasoline engine is silly.
Nice job.
I like BRM Hones.
I have been using them for over 39 years.
They have a hone and a grit for every job.
In the early day they did alot of engineering and tests and magnification of surface finishes.
Proving the technology works.
Still used in Top Fuel freshen ups.
Thanks for sharing. 👍
Thank you for watching 👍
Still have mine. 320 silicon carbide. Used it for a 3.0 in my 96 ranger
Content like this really shows how it’s not the skills or strength but the knowledge to apply. Really inspires me to stay in the car scene and wait for my time despite being broke as a saltine for now.
Great vid
Thanks. I did it this way for that exact reason. To inspire folks to try and make the best of what they have. Don’t let perfect get in the way of good enough 👍
Mate, being broke is probibly howvsome of the best mechanics got so good at their craft..
Keep those hands busy & you will learn & then earn..
Cheers man..
You both are awesome as hell
Haha “broke as a saltine!” Loved that! Gonna be saying that shit now thanks.
Everyone’s broke in the car scene lol
I love the way the cylinder and crosshatch markings turn out with a ball hone
Good enough for Gubment Work 😎
I probably did 100 engines with a hone like this and none of them had a problem. I had one guy come back almost 300k miles later to say he was only using a quart of oil between changes. Sometimes you just have to know which is the right tool for the job.
Yep. And sometimes you have to ignore the internet experts and just give things a try 👍
@@freedomworxWe would do this after about 3 practice sessions on the road race track with 4 cylinder Datsun engines after honing and a re ring you could feel the difference in power. Then those engines would go hundreds of laps problem free.
Yeah it would get costly trying to do a full engine build that frequently. 👍
@@donziperk the example I gave on my last post was a Nissan / Datsun 4 banger.
@@freedomworx It wasn’t a full build just a ring set and head gasket and pan gasket. Being over head cam there isn’t much to hone, clean and reassemble.
You are about the only TH-cam guy ive seen achieve a proper angle cross hatch..
Congrats on following direction..
I watched those sloppy mechanics guys run it at 3000 rpm there was no angle.
Thanks. I got lucky with my combo on the first try. Dewalt on low speed setting (trigger completely depressed) and one stroke in and out of the bore per second. I've seen people try to modulate the drill speed with the trigger, and that's just one more variable you have to try and control while you are doing it. I need wide open throttle on the drill so I can concentrate on my "1 Mississippi's" 😉🤓
Always used the 3 stone hones, and they work great. Even dry. The better ones have a stiff spring and you can adjust the diameter they will hone with a nut.
Nothing wrong with a 3 stone. But my personal opinion is that they don't offer any benefit over a ball hone for breaking cylinder glaze
@@freedomworx Depends on why you're doing the block up. If you have a high mileage block where the cylinders may have uneven wear that needs to be addressed with a bore, the ball hone doesn't highlight those problems.
@@freedomworx what the other guy said. The balls just conform to the shape of the cylinder
@@freedomworxt the other guy said about what the other guy said about what you said about a 3 stone hone. But I will add that it probably depends on what you are rebuilding. If it is something that has lots of hard miles etc. And you want a good finish product. When you're putting money into rebuilding an engine. I would spend the money taking block to a machine shop test for cracks surface the deck and hone cylinders and new progessional crosshatch to seat the rings right. They can even do the crank shaft straightness. It is only my opinion though.
The ball hone is better for someone who isn't hugely experienced building engines, in my opinion. It makes decent pattern every time. The 3 stone ones can be a lot more fussy to use in my experience.
This is the way I learned to home a block back in MY day. lol >.
Not good, but good enough! 😉
use the stones and not the dingleball hone. the stones will reveal any low spots in the cylinders and will let you know if the cylinder needs machining. however, in a pinch the ball hone works if you are broke.
I used a bore gage on all the cylinders. Wouldn't have taken it to machine shop even if there were a low spot 😉
I suppose it's ok if you own it
@@jeremysmith1339 I don’t build for other people.
I am broke so the cheap way it is for me lol
Most times if I’m doing this? I sure the hell ain’t paying for machining, what do I look like I got money falling out my a$$? Fact I’m using a 20yo dingle should say it all
I use a cylinder honing tool at work. I've noticed if I take it out too much from the block, then the top becomes wider.
I guess it's possible. I removed less than 0.0005" doing this.
It’s a wander that DeWalt drill, made it through the honing process
The honing was no problem....priming the oil system...different story! 😂
Milwaukee guy I assume?
@@RealJerb I need a Milwaukee sponsorship 😉
They work amazing. I use them all the time on small engines.
I take a lot of balls to use one of these 🤓
You need a flat 3 stone hone if you are fleshing up an old motor to help correct the uneven bore taper, ball hones are only for recently built motors to put a cross hatch back in when say changing pistons
Neither are effective at straightening a cylinder that isn't true. They just aren't accurate or robust enough to do it properly. If you need to straighten a bore, you need to take it to the machine shop. I'm just adding the proper surface finish to break in new rings. This hone took off less than 0.0005" in a minute. That isn't going to fix much of anything.
if ur cyclinder walls have low spots ur going to have to have it punched out or have the block resleved... u would spend a month trying to hone that out and still wouldnt get much anywhere.....
@@freedomworx but WILL exaggerate a problem. Do it again and emphasize that you were not "rebuilding" an engine. This is already a good engine just getting a freshen-up
They work for a ring job. Just knocking the glaze off.
@@ridestreet20 don't be pedantic. The engine is tore down and rebuilt, wether honed or bored.
Used a flex Hone on my 2015 yamaha yz250f during rebuild. Fantastic product
YZ250.3F now 😉
Nice demonstration 👍👍🇺🇸
Thanks for watching 👍
Used those for 50 years, they work just fine.
Yep. The internet engine builders like to bash them though 🤷♂️
Those overalls are fresh to death homeboy and thanks for the info og
Only problem with these overhauls...is that any gaseous emission released inside them, hit you right in the face as soon as you bend down or lean forward. 💩💨
@@freedomworx slap a purge valve on 'em and you're good to go. No more excess and unwanted gasses 🤣👍
I've always wondered about those. Pretty darn nice looking results.
The internet is very divided on brush hone vs 3 stone hone. But in my opinion, these are the way to go. All you should be doing with these is breaking the glaze so you can seat a new set of rings. And these do a better job of that. Neither is intended to straighten out a tapered or out of round cylinder.
What you want to do to get a perfect 45 Degree Cross Hatch is put the Hone in the cylinder then actuate the drill slowly until you get 1 revolution to 1 stroke down and 1 revolution to 1 stroke up!! And as Far a lubricant/ cutting fluid, Marvel Mystery oil with 1/4 Mineral Spirits! After 30 years As An Industrial/ Marine Diesel/ Natural Gas Engine Mechanic I Found This Is The Closest To What Is Done By The Manufacturer's!!!
That would give you a 90 degree crosshatch, 45 degrees from horizontal... and that's not what you are trying to achieve. You want a 45 degree crosshatch that is 22.5 degrees from horizontal.
That's what I did on my 351w. There want a ridge or cylinder wear and I could still see cross hatch. Unless the engine has damage to the cylinders where it need to be bored .010 over, this works just fine to clean it up and re-ring
Not good, but good enough 😎
They work great and been using one for years
But the internet says you need a 3 stone 😂😂
@@freedomworx the internet doesn't know everything! If your bore is pretty true and nothing major these stone ball hones or glaze busters are awesome!
@@forrestmanueljr9196 agreed 👍
Yeah we use them in the machine shop all the time. They work mint. I've even programmed them into the CNC being lazy not wanting to deburr my parts.
Uncommon to here a machine shop approve of them. They usually bash them 👍
@Freedom Worx I guess it depends on what you're doing. Yeah the by the book way is you're supposed to put the block up on a honing machine. They work awesome for taking the sharp edge off a drilled hole though. I mean I'd be lying if I said I've never used them like you are though lol. What could happen is that you create a bellmouth at the top of the cylinder.
There was just a study done and the ball hones do surprisingly well, especially on a moderate build. They found through surface texture measurements that they got acceptable results and no need for a machine shop trip.
Top fuel teams use them between runs... 🤷♂️
Awesome work! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching 👍
the honing scratches need to be roughly at a 45 degree mark which means you'll need to lower the speed or increase how fast you go in/out
in the short hand it'll work regardless as long as the cylinder walls aren't out of round but the closer you are to 45degrees the longer the home rebuild will last due to oil retention in the cylinder.
The 45 degree angle is relative to the intersecting cross-hatches of the bore. The cross hatch individual lines need to be approximately 23 degrees from horizontal.
I heard from an old timer 45 in and 75 out.
@@yerbeilisready8562 they are 45 to 60 in relation to the deck.
"honing scratches"... you mean the "crosshatch honing pattern"... ?
Good Jobs my brother
Thanks for watching 👍
Nice crosshatch! There is nothing wrong with a dingleberry hone job!
But the internet said... 😂😉
I put a vertical scratch in a cylinder scared the hell out of me I thought the cylinder was cracked
Pucker moment 😂
Most fun part of building my motor
We be stroken!!!
I see the Bert kreischer comments but that beard is giving me Captain Spaulding vibes
That's hurtful! 😂
I've always used Gunk engine cleaner. It lubricates and cleans the grooves. Works excellent
I've had a few recommendations for Dollar Tree Oven Cleaner. 🤷♂️
The ole small chev cheaply build love it !
It’s good enough 👍
Wow, great job… looks awesome
Thanks for watching 👍
"Lube those balls." Hahahahaha. Hilarious.
It just felt right 😂
Lovely SBC you got there
Thank you. It wakes whiney noises now 😎
Always heard from Armchair mechanics that these ball hones will “destroy your engine” and “don’t use them if you want your engine to last”. Good to see that these have their use!
NHRA Top Fuel Teams use then between rounds in 11,000HP nitromethane engines. And those engines last an entire minute 😂
I didn't know what honing was until a few months back. Now i know that even if the finish is not like the ones you find in a machine shop, it will be better than having the cylinders crystilized.
@@freedomworx Maybe Dumb & Dumbers Team.....
I’ve used this method and hone on dozens of motors most mine some I built for others always worked great
@@freedomworx crazy that they tear down and hone between every pass, how many times can they expect to do that before they run into other problems, i.e. the threads pulling from the block during constant assembly/disassembly or something like that???
Also the people saying these destroy your engine dont know what they're talking about, , for light honing they're fine. Yes they don't have a rigid side like the insert style hones and thus can tend to follow imperfections in the cylinder wall like taper and stuff like that, as opposed to using something that's cylindrical which will cut uniformly, not sure home much of a difference it really makes
I didn't know that about honing. Thank you!
Just making crosshatches 😎
Those hones are worth every penny, and regular old cutting/tapping fluid works perfect.
It appears that transmission fluid works fine as well 😉
Used the same hone on my 6.0 LS motor with WD40... works like charm
It's good for several engines. 👍
You know WD is water displacement, right? Like it's not a lubricant. It's wet, that's about it.
@Steven Johnson what does it displace water with and how does it displace it? Oil, albeit a very light oil... oil and water don't mix so it displaces water with oil which is a lubricant.
Those hones work great!
Makes shiny cylinders dull again 😎
That Hobart welder is a gem!
It’s a nice unit 😎
Instructions are clear and thank you for repeating the spinning part!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I made a custom cylinder honing tool using a buffing wheel/ball, covered with Magic Erasers. I think it provides the best/smoothest finish, 2nd only to a full machine shop.
My advice is worth every penny you paid for it.
That's the thing though, you aren't looking for a smooth finish. You are looking for the appropriate finish to seat your rings. And that differs based on the type of ring you are installing. These were cheap, cast rings. So 240 was the appropriate grit. 👍
Well done 👍
Good enough 👍
Got the same toolbox man!! Great video keep them coming!
Thanks. I've had this box for 20 years. Might have to upgrade and pass it down to my boys before too long. I outgrew it a long time ago 😂
Looks good from my house 🏠
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Those do work. Well worth it.
But the internet engine builders say they don't work because they don't straighten out your cylinders. Let's you know how much of an engine builder they are when they think a hone is supposed to straighten a cylinder 😂
Well really it’s for scuffing the walls up. And if the block has surface rust and needs to be cleaned it. They are also known to increase oil pressure. Notice how he’s pulling it in and out in a certain way it helps oil rings out when in operation. I bought a used bock and did that and it really help the performance over all. Granted it’s not gonna help if there are gouges on the walls. More or less it freshened up the block.
Budget is the optimal word here.
Yep. Not perfect, but good enough...sometimes 😉
I always installed the main caps to torque to load the block.. I have occasionally installed the heads and honed from the bottom side..poor man's blueprinting 😁
Now that is innovation 😎
Nice job buddy
Thank you. And thanks for watching 👍
Good if you know the cylinders are straight. Re ringed an old 351 and used a ball home. Still smoked like a chimney.
If you use a stone hone it’ll blow your mind on a well used engine
These have their place, I’ve used it many times on low mile engine swapping piston tops. But not on 100k mile plus, I learned my lesson!
I measured the bores and they were round and straight enough.
Dingle berry hone lol, I never heard it be called that.
I heard it on the interweb 🤓
p well I guess you've been around a real machine, I've been called that since
Crazy how some of these old, tried and true methods are still being applied, even if they call it budget methods.
It doesn't have to be perfect...Just good enough! 👍
It's crazy how many commenting one should use a ball hone, it's got to be ignorance or they think every build is a top tier build.
Flawless, good stuff. You may want to try a cordless drill, the more consistent power delivery is ideal IMO. You get the benefit of the fore grip for the torque and rpm dial with some.
I used the DeWalt only because I knew the RPM would be in the proper range. My drill doesn’t have a Taco-meter 😉
You can put a sock over the balls and place it in the cylinder if you’re having issues with the oil flinging out.
Probably wouldn’t cut too well with a happy sock in there 😉
i bought one of these at a yard sale for $2 without knowing its intended purpose! I use it to clean lint from my dryer vent tube.
I’ve got one of those too 😂😂
For a budget garage build I don’t have a problem at all. For any other build I would want a shop with a machine doing this with a straight edge cylinder honing tool.
I bet your local machine shop has a couple of these laying around 😉
Excellent!! I use Marvel Mystery oil myself, just needs some kind of lube. 👍
That should work just fine 👍
I still have one of those from the last motor I put together 22 years ago.
I'll never be able to wear this one out unless I start building motors on the regular!
@@freedomworx I think mine lost one or two stones on previous motors, but it will be a heirloom for generations. 😂
"yesterday i didn't know how to spell machinist, now today i are one,"
TH-cam Certified 😎
You is😅
Good luck on your build bro. Make sure you pay close attention to timing during initial startup . You don't wanna ruin your build with continuous dry starting.
The engine was fully primed before it went into the truck. So that helps.
@@freedomworx Great work. 👍💯
Just wiping trans fluid on the hands sheesh that smell won’t go away haha
I did that to get the gear oil smell off 😂
Use the straight stones on a budget build. Ball hone is only good for a known good and previously machined cylinder you want to refresh.
How much material are you planning on taking out with a 3 stone hone?
@Freedom Worx same as a ball hone. Just in the right places. A doesn't wear as a perfect circle, more so like a pear shape. Wider in the center than top and bottom. A ball hone just wears it out more in the same shape. Use a 3 stone and you'll see your wear spots appear and you'll know if you need proper machine work. Removing 5/10s can show you alot if you do it right.
@@Jake39019 then why bother with the straight stone hone? Start with a straight edge in the cylinder, ball hone if close enough, machine if not.
Straight hones are useless.
You'r balls are doing great 👍
Just gotta keep 'em lubed 😎
The Dingle ball hone in my neck of the woods lol
Not good...but good enough 😉
As a machinest we use these all the time, but on a drill press.
Well I'm pressing a drill... so pretty much the same thing 😉
Spin in both directions after machine honing to take the peaks off the tear out burrs from the machine hone
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Looks good
All the crosshatch!
I need to buy a Dingle Hone. I always use the Stone Hones just to make sure the cylinder is perfectly strait. But a Ball home would be good to use to finnish it off.
Most people argue one way or the other. You on the other hand, want both! A man of culture 👍
@@freedomworx For sure. It just makes more sense to use a stone on first and then run it didn't go on through it. But yes both are what I wan't.
Not a fan of these but damn that looks good! Very well done. Hope the project works out :)
100% good enough 😉
Honer = stones
Balls = glaze breaker
In my days anyways
I was just trying to make some scratches 😉
"Lube those balls" with great enthusiasm!
I know what I like 😂
They're great
Tony the Tiger!?!?!
If the cylinder has much wear to it a 3 stone hone will will give a straighter cut.
If a cylinder has enough wear to matter…it should go to a machine shop 🤷🏻♂️
@@freedomworx A dingleberry hone is for idiots that tear up three stone hones.
@@jimandskittum bold of you to assume I’ve ever owned a 3 stone hone.
@@jimandskittum what torque plate do you use with your 3 stone?
@@asherdie A 3 stone will leave witness marks as it works. A dingleberry cuts down the valleys as much as it does the peaks. What torque plate do you use with your hone, DS?
beautiful
I’m basically a machinist now 😂
I'll now call you Uncle Dingleball.
I’ve been called worse 🤓
Look's awesome.
Thanks. I’m a TH-cam Certified Machinist. 😂
Learned to do this properly years ago when I was 21
I’m doing it properly at 42 🤷🏻♂️
Bert does know a lot about dingle berries
Burnt Chrysler 😎
Fanally someone doing it right
I read a book 😉👍
I still have the ball hone for my 3.0 ranger
Ford Freakin Ranger!!!
Works great if cylinder has little to no wear
Mine had a thou of taper and was a thou out of round… good enough 😉
Your teaching me new shit bro..
With thanks
Thanks for watching 👍
I use avocado oil. 🥑 it's great on my knuckles
Lubricants the bore and the skin 👌
you should really hone with a stone three prong block 1st to knock down the high spots then use that for a crosshatch finish
If there are high spots, it’s going to the machine shop. This is just for adding cross hatch to seat new rings. No home use hone is suited to straighten a cylinder. Bores were within 0.001 for straightness and taper, so I have it the Dingleballs 😎
Ok for deglazing, but a finger hone can actually improve the roundness and taper while the ball hone can only improve surface finish.
No DIY hone will improve the roundness of a cylinder. I don’t care what Uncle Tony said.
They are good on hydraulic cylinder tubes
Lots of applications! 👍
"Dingleberry hone." Perfect.
It’s like a Dingleball Hone, except it smells worse. 😷
When do you actually do this is it when its to smooth? Do you actually need new rings when you do this? Please let us know Thanks
It should be done if you need new rings or if the cylinder bore is glazed. If you do one, you do the other.
awww yeah.. thats it. just like that.
You enjoyed that video way to much 😂
I've seen those before but never knew what it was
Dingle Ball!!
2023 and people are still using these damn hones. Dingle ball hones conform to all the warpages of the cylinder. Use a tri stone hone. They are much better
Much better for doing what? I’m knocking the glaze off the cylinders so the new rings will seat. A 3 stone will not do that better 🤷🏻♂️. I’m not trying to straighten a bore with any kind of hone 🤷🏻♂️
I used to dunk it in oil
If I'd had a bucket of decent oil, I would have dunked it.
The Machine working on machines.
Burnt Chrysler 😎
I used the heck out of that type of hone. I grew up thinking it was called a dingle berry hone. Lol
Excellentce
Not perfect. but good enough! 😉
I'm gonna guess you're either an auctioneer, or you write children's songs for your side gig.
This is my side gig. You’ll sleep better at night not knowing what my real job is 😂
Is the guy from V.G.G. kin 2 you?
4th Step-Cousin in Law 😉