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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- One matchup that tends to spark discussion amongst Greninja players is Snake. Because of his unique playstyle and complexity as a character, many are quick to dismiss this matchup as a losing one, if not Greninja's worst. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for this opinion to reach newer players and discourage them from learning how to play against Snake. While there are many intricacies to the Greninja-Snake matchup, Greninja has more than the tools necessary to hold his own and still come out on top.
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Twitter: / apolotion
Twitch: / apolotion
My Discord Server: / discord
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Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
3:01 Neutral- Grenades
10:22 Neutral- Shield
20:35 Neutral- Setup Moves
22:39 Neutral- Long Range
30:04 Neutral- Dealing with Approaches
34:43 Neutral- Approaching Snake
38:01 Neutral- C4
39:48 Neutral- Log Uses
41:01 Advantage- Nade Pulls
47:27 Advantage- Juggling
55:22 Advantage- Edge Guarding
1:01:36 Advantage- Cypher Mixups
1:15:43 Advantage- Ledge Trapping
1:31:53 Advantage- Combos
1:35:44 Outro
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Resources:
Greninja Discord Server: / discord
Snake Discord Server: / discord
Greninja Frame Data and Hitboxes: ultimateframedata.com/greninja
Snake Frame Data and Hitboxes: ultimateframedata.com/snake
Character Cards: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/fo...
Counter Range: Apolotion/status/...
Upwards Substitute Kill Percents: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Grenade and C4 Hitboxes: media.discordapp.net/attachme...
Move Data Viewer: rubendal.github.io/ssbu/#/
Snake Up Tilt Kill Percents: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Snake Cypher Tumble Percents: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Shadow Sneak Untechable Percents: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Ledge Getup Attack Ranges: Apolotion/status/...
Aerial Footstool Dair Chart: Apolotion/status/...
PoppinSwiss' Channel: / @poppinswiss
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Other Anti-Snake Guides:
Venia: drive.google.com/open?id=1XEv...
Ramses: • Twitch VOD: How to DOM...
JTails: • How To Beat SNAKE - Sm...
BananaBoySSB: • Video
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Frenzy Light: • How to beat Snake in S...
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Special Thanks:
Snake Discord
@PoppinSwiss (Snake resources)
@AdumAdumAdum (Interaction simulations)
@JforJonas (Video production)
@jujujoestar (Video production)
@Anarchy302 (Competitor feedback)
@lilcrossv2 (Competitor feedback)
@Ice_Greninja_ (Competitor feedback)
@iStudying (Competitor feedback)
@JayGRNT7 (Competitor feedback)
@Keekay__ (Competitor feedback)
@AeroCobalt (Competitor feedback)
@NinjaLink (Competitor feedback)
@professor_mgw (Competitor feedback)
@TarikDee (Competitor feedback)
@King_Venia (Competitor feedback)
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Songs Used:
Lightning Pandemonium (Tempest Peak) - Rivals of Aether OST
Flamingosis - Write Down My Name
Captain Qubz - I'm a Lover Boy
Ratatat - Wildcat
Engelwood - A New Feeling (with Flamingosis)
AGST - Fights
Zeb - plants vs zombies walnut mini game theme (trap remix)
Sunny Fruit - Siberian Summer
HOME - Dream Head
Seu Jorge - Amiga Da Minha Mulher (Renzyx Remix)
saib. - Agua
X Files - Theme Song
Tuxedo - Doin' My Best
saib. - Find My Way
Jeopardy! Theme Song
Epifanía - Brazilian Flavah
Antônio Gurgel - Um lindo dia vai nascer (Brazilian Lofi Remix)
GabrielMzero - obá obá obá
Vantage - 10 Sunset
Yung Bae - I Can Tell
Sunny Fruit - WEEKANDS
Vantage - Count What You Have Now
dillow - Pais Tropical (Lofi Remix)
Bleu Toucan - Ananas
Giants' Nest - Labor Life
Bleu Toucan - Hanoï Café
Gavinco - Amour Fou
HOME - Pyxis
Dj Quads - The Improv
Dj Quads - Those Nights
TRINIX x ANGÈLE - Moi… Lolita (Remix)
GabrielMzero - tempo livre e um sample
Yung Bae - Welcome to the Disco (feat. Macross 82-99)
Dj Quads - Missing someone
Outro: Jensation - Joystick - เกม
Could you imagine if there were people like Apolition for every character? This game would be light-years worth of meta ahead of where it is now
Yeah, I'm actually a little jealous now.
Yeah, apolotion is the only reason I play greninja. If anybody else explained a character like he does that I liked more I would play them lol, but he has turned me to the frog side
so true!
IT’S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!!!!
Dont worry about getting a part two out super fast, its not like im ever gonna get into disadvantage against snake with this excellent advice.
“Gren + Nade = Grenade” made me stop thinking we lost the MU
I never knew I needed this until now. Good to have you back Mr. Apolotion.
same
This tutorial probably has more info about snake than any snake guide online. Congrats man, I didn't realize you could out-detail your previous guides, but you did it.
Amazing. Watching this video is like reading a skill book in a video game that levels you up. I swear I leveled up like 23 levels watching this!
Can't wait for this video. I don't even play Greninja but I just like learning what options and tech different characters have
just watched this all the way through and my thoughts are: you are fucking insane, this was a goddamn knowledge shower on a matchup I've been personally struggling with as of late (actually amazing timing for that)
amazing job, as always (even though this video was probably the best one you've done so far)
Thanks so much! A ton of effort has gone into this video, so I'm incredibly proud of the end product. I agree with you, that it might be one of my best videos yet hahaha. Hopefully my feature length film can help you learn to beat Snake :)
When the frog army needed him most……
I’m a Brazilian Gren main and I kinda freaked out when Seu Jorge randomly started singing lol.
Thanks for the great vid!
Absolutely loved the intro. the setups made me visually pog.
Bro I know this is a greninja guide but seeing how insanely long and well crafted this video is it should work for everyone
An entire movie just for fighting snake
This was an amazing video! Was honored to be one of the snakes to help grind it out!
HE’S NOT DEAD. LESSGOOOOOOOOO
not only is this a good guide for the greninja snake mu, but it also serves as a how to fight against snake guide, thanks so much! fantastic video
Huge respect for actually going over all the people who helped and not just plugging in the description. Also taking all this time to provide proper guide on how to fight a character is super nice, there was so much I watched this is like 7 stages and dont even remember the first things which is crazy
Huh! Just as I'm done watching all the guides and seeing that you're not active on TH-cam anymore I see this, must be fate or somethin' lmao
Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you. I'm so glad to have one of the most dedicated labbers ever play my favorite character. Not just for the information, but for the amount of time, effort, and love you put into this character and into the content you create. We need more people like you in the Smash community
I don’t even play smash with any snakes but this is still so enjoyable to watch
I watched 7 mins of this and it made the world of difference. I’d never think of using substitute like that. Works like a charm.
Yoo, the quality of this video (and all your other vids as well) is just insane! Thank you so much for all the hard work you put in for us Greninja mains. Now it is up to us frogs all over the world to learn from this and put Gren on the rise!
Thank you so much for all the work you do. This really feels like everything i need to know and more about the matchup.
To me Snake is the ultimate cheese character. With fermentations so convoluted that he still trips even the top players up. Only Apolition could do something like this. This information could truly put the matchup to bed. Maybe even knock Snake down a tier.
As a g&w main and a gren secondary, I am truly terrified of future matchup guides. There are a LOT of common tactics that take advantage of fear and general ignorance.
And once you figure a few things out about g&w, that matchup feels very dangerous and frustrating for him.
Ayo thanks for going this in depth. Greninja is a secondary that I'd normally wouldn't think of choosing for this matchup, but you made it sounds so fun I wanna give it a shot now
I started playing Smash Ultimate around Christmas again after a long pause, wanting to learn it for real this time and thought of Greninja as a nice Character to Main... Then I found your Videos of the last Years about Greninja Yesterday, watched them all in one session, just because i was so amazed by the depth of Greninja. I wanted to say thank you so much for all the enormous effort you put into your videos, blasting it with this movie. I wish you a healthy and fun 2023.
Every apolotion video is an event you gotta be present for
Even tho i don't know if I'll be able to implement all this in my gameplay, it's always relaxing watching your vods
Good to have you back man
Goated. I really appreciate all the detail you put into your videos
Thanks, haven't watched yet, but I've got enough from the Greninja guides and vods that it's warranted without the watch ( so far )
This is insane
I just wished this channel existed for Sheik or Lucas
The Albert Einstein of frog
He has returned
Very VERY much appreciated 🙏 amazing information and amazing video editing 👍
Thank you so much for the effort you put in to advance the gren meta
just wow... this community is pure gold. thank you for your dedication and love for this frog!!!
The amount of effort and time you put in these videos brings a tear to my eye. Apolotion the GOAT
As a 3-4 year Greninja main, this is becoming really helpful. I don't verse that many Snakes, but the things I'm learning here are still helpful. The hard part is putting them into practice.
Awesome! Thank you this is my personal hardest matchup.
The fact you kept a video about knowledge entertaining for an HOUR AND 40 MINUTES is actually incredible, love u Apo
A video worth watching the ads on
Dude, best smash content ever. Loved this video.
How have you been man? Missed the old days where we played Minecraft and tf2 thanks for the fun times back then. ❤
Yo this guy's alive?
About time lol
AMAZING job bro
The region I'm in has 3 really good snakes, and I've been losing to ALL of them for about 2 years now. This helped a ton :)
i feel like back throw would always be the move for you guys when the snakes holding a nade since youre gonna be jumping quickly after the back throw to get the nade combo anyways, so it falling to the ground isnt all too big of a deal 🤔
GOD
FUCKING
DAMN IT
I CAN'T BELIEVE THE ELUSIVE SNAKE VIDEO IS FINALLY REAL
while watching this im like omg this is so much info. thanks for making the video
Nice vid bro
This man will take us into space
I've felt fairly comfortable with this matchup for a while given a friend I play with often mains snake. But got damn I learned so much from this lol
love the intro clips that was very epik and was kool doit more.
yoooooo he's back
Banger video
If you struggle against a certain character, go play that character for a week or two. You learn a lot about a character’s weaknesses when you experience those weaknesses
AMAZING, JUST AMAZING!
How does slingshotting help greninja specifically? you mentioned it during the upthrow-upair segment, but I'd love to see some more uses for it on greninja
needed this ngl
8:01 THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM
If I’ve got one piece of advice it’s this.. stop rolling. Especially when getting tech chased. Jumping and dashing in n out are both are better options for MOST characters in neutral. Also neutral getup has less endlag and a lot of times opponents will dash right thru u. You can win many games just by calling out which way the opponent will roll.. cuz they will
I really enjoyed the pacing of the video. Long guides like this are typically stripped out of a stream with no cuts which ruins the pacing if they're not getting the right interaction or they keep pausing when talking. I also enjoyed that you had relevant clips being used and the structure of the video flowing well. Didn't feel like an hour and 40min for me when watching
Thank you! I don't like to upload content that I wouldn't personally sit down and watch myself. A lot of effort has gone into highlighting relevant interactions, scriptwriting, and making edits to keep engagement. I'm super happy that you enjoyed the video!
So that was frickin' awesome
Apolotion, PLEASE do this with game and watch
if the snake matchup was losing before, not anymore
Gostei do seu Jorge, ótimo vídeo
As someone who cant decide which one to main im even more confused who to choose
13:06 TAKANAKA? LETS GOOOOOOO
IT WAS A REMIX NOOOOOO 😭
W vid
Nice
9:35 u can just unshield then substitute
do you reproduce DI out on dash attack when labing ? :(
underdog boost tech 🧐
Is their going to be a part 6 for 🐸🥷
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1:13:27 yooo it’s acid.
Dthrow > (nade explosion) > Footstool, Dair > Drag down Uair > D. Attack tech chase > IDJ Fair?
I better not ever hear someone say Greninja loses this matchup ever again, especially after this video, I fucking swear to God.
I swear greninja main are the best
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Lmao this "are you serious? " comment was SO salty its insane
i too like rivals of aether music
2:09 not lil pump? :(
Ey yo did this guy get hacked?
Comment for algorithm
Hi
This is too long for me personally. I would have liked a tl;dr at the beginning instead of just hopping right into it for the more casual viewers.
Cool so just don’t get hit? Got it.