Dr Brown is more matured. I appreciate his calmness and the manner he was asking questions. I don't necessarily negate anything that the caller said. Excellent work on both of them. Respect 👏👏👏👏👏👏🤝
Dynamite conversation. Great analytical dialog from both parties based on the scriptures.We know that "there is only One (God)". Makes me think of the example of one prism that shines the full spectrum of light. Thank you both.
I think about the reason why God has to teach Israel the Shema. Only reasonable cause is that He is manifest in multiple forms, like his Word, his Spirit, but He is still one. Like when you look at the sky, one see it blue, one see it stormy, but it is the same sky. Shema Israel, there is one sky.
Interesting conversation. I wonder what his take would be on Daniel 7 regarding the one like a son of man sitting at the right hand of the Ancient of Days.
Its a misunderstanding to object how could you divide the infinte? Because he's not divided, but you can divide infinity. You could divide the odd numbers from the even numbers but they're both infinite sets.
I am a Christian. There are lots of things God can’t do. He can’t lie, steal (as he owns everything), or do other sins. He can’t murder, as all life belongs to him so he can take it when he wants. Right?
@@utubelittlebagofeverything5844 Correct. God is not a man. God came into his creation and put on human flesh. He did that (show me anything that says he can’t enter his creation) so that he could have a human experience (setting aside his deity powers) to concur sin and death and show us the way so we could be saved through his righteousness and his perfect life by dying for our sins as he had none to die for. We are not saying God changed into a man or was created by birth. He has always existed and he chose to put on human flesh, like you put on a shirt. That did not make him less of deity, he still was fully God and fully man.
God can't make a four sided triangle. To do so would return the universe to chaos. Some things are hidden by God (why do the innocent suffer) to be revealed at the end of days. But things are logical impossibilities.
dr. brown really has been called to his position. you can't fake that kind of patience. and you cannot fake the desire to be appealing. for me i just recognize that it's foolish to try and put god in a box and say he must do this he must do that and he cannot do that. for me it's easy to just say god does what he wants to do when he wants to do it. i don't see why everyone can't believe that way, but i'm clearly in the minority and i have to accept that.
Dr. Brown brings in Gen. 18 the inference that God came in human form. What i don't understand with every Jewish scholar who reads this passage is that they assume that the three men are considered God and two angels, when the plain reading could go further. Gen 18 could very well refer to the physical manifestation of three men; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and not just God and two angels. Dr. Michael Brown, can you agree that Gen. 18 could be a physical manifestation of the Trinity or not, and why not?
Heard a preacher once say that when Moses said, show me your glory, that he was translated to the mount of configuration and seen Jesus in all His glory!
@@DJRoll15 - The Trinity, Godhead, 1 What and 3 Who's is an orthodox Christian doctrine, this is an essential issue! Of the 2,5 billion "Christians" (God knows their heart) , non-triniterians amounts to around 60 million... Should be 0 million.
Presence in Hebrew is the word for face; paneem. It's hard to then argue that His presence is not actually God Himself. Unless ofcourse His face also isn't actually God either.
In Genesis 32:30 we see that my father Jacob understood that the man with whom he was wrestling was God manifested in the flesh, in fact he called the place where that event took place פניאל peniel (panim + el) and said he saw God פנים אל־פנים (face to face) in fact the word פנים indicates "face" or "presence" depending on the context. What is certain is that the struggle in Ge 32:30 was between Jacob and God manifested in the flesh, and the Lord as a loving father was teaching Jacob something, telling him for the first time that he would no longer be called Jacob but Israel. And as a Christian of Jewish origin I tell you that some manifestations of God in the flesh are described in the OT. The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh, there is no trinity doctrine in the Bible. Michael Brown is a false teacher *God is One, Jesus Christ is God*
The person on the phone said exactly what trinitarians believe. "Jesus' essence was co-eternal and his body was created ", which is exactly that Jesus was fully man and fully God. The caller missed it.
Interesting discussion Father Son and Holy Spirit God revealed in 3 persons equals 1 God Father creator Jesus our Salvation Holy Spirit our teacher are all 1 God Hallelujah
An expression of God is God limiting himself to human understanding, so that He may communicate with us. We would get mad, if not destroyed, otherwise.
The way people ask questions on the this topic you can tell they don't study there bible. In my early years as a child of God I know of the bat that God is triune they ask questions they themselves can not answer. I admire bro Brown patience.
if Christians say "1 being in 3 being" that's contradiction or "1 person in 3 person" that's also another contradiction but christian was not like that, the christian doctrine is "1 being in 3 person" is not contradiction because you have to define first what is the ontological definition of "being", being means is a nature or essence of existence which you can apply to definition of how many kind of human being and there's onkt 1 kind of human being due to nature abd essence of existence, for example if the person has son and wife, all of them are the same human being because they are the same in nature or essence of existence but they are different person as a "who". also the word "Elohim (means God) in the old testament is not ontologically defined as DEITY but ontological definition of word "Elohim" depends on the context of the bible, for example Genesis 1.1 Elohim word used on this bible verse means powerful Being but "elohim"used in Exodus 7.1 means not DEITY because YHWH made Moses elohim to pharoah. YWHW is ELOHIM but not all Elohim is YHWH for example Genesis 1.1 vs Exodus 7.1 it's very hard for jews, muslims, or unitarian this but TRI-UNITY (TRINITY) is the name of the conclusion derived from Deductive reasoning in the Old Testament if premisds are true then the conclusuon is true for example in Exodus 3.2 MALAK YHWH appeared to Moses and then v4, v5, v6 , v15 MALAK YHWH become I AM GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and v16“Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, “I am indeed concerned about you and what has been done to you in Egypt. " abother passage is Isaiah 48.12-16 where Me ik Isaiah 48.12 is the first and the last and who stretched in heaven but in Isaiah 48 16, the "Me and Spirit were sent by LORDH OF HOST but Me in Isaiah 48.12-13 is the the first and the last and stretched heane5and founded the foundation of earth. i would suggest to read the whole chapter of Genesis 18 & 19. for example if you will compare Genesis 18.3 and Genesis 19.18, from masoretic text, they are the same because of kamatz under "N" of ADONAY in hebrew and compare Genesis 18.3 and Genesis 19.28 vs Genesis 32.5 where the meaning of ADONAY or adoni, depends of nikkud. this is how masoretic text differentiates between DEITY and human master using different nikkud as my example genesis 18.3 & genesis 19.18 vs genesis 32.5. Abraham bowed down to 3 men and Lot bowed down to MALAKIM and masoretic text used the same DEITY for ADONAY in Genesis 19.18. please check in interlinear biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/18-3.htm & biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/19-18.htm vs biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/32-5.htm
God is all, but the holy spirit is his presence through his spirit, his air (ruaj) and Yehoshua is the meshiah, he spoke to Abraham, was to Jerusalem on a donkey, was dead and resurrected from the seol on 3 days, he is still alive sitting at right of God. He had to suffer and die crucified because was in the scriptures, but the king David wrote on salm 16; 8-11 that the meshiah died but would not know the corruption of his body and neither the seol. He will come back at the olives mountain at Jerusalem in the ends of times on the final judge. Sorry for my bad english.
Through me you will arrive to my father (said Yehoshua), they were one, because by Yehoshua was made the will of God. But this is not easy to understand, and the ruaj hakodesh is the wifi connection with God, if someone has wifi connection is connected with God through the ruaj hakodesh and you speak with the words of Hashem and do what he wants that you do in that moment. You will heal, you will see the future, you will speak in languages because you will can touch the heart, the heart is the door and the knowledge, number 5 like the Torah. And the emuná the faith lives in the heart and in your homes (bodies) if you do something with the power of your heart you will do it.
I think we should feel comfortable telling Jews: "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." - 1 Corinthians 8:6 Believing in the doctrine of the Trinity isn't required to become a Christian. It's ok to say their is One God, the Father, and that Jesus Christ is the Father's only begotten Son and Jesus is the Messiah and our Lord. The Bible says so many times that there is One God the Father. We should be telling this to Jews. You're keeping Jews out of the kingdom of God over something you don't have to believe to be a Christian. It's really sad.
The Triune belief is not Jewish, but rather Hebrew. Most Jews that we, as Western Americans, are exposed to are European and it's not surprising that there is a disagreement between the Messianic and Orthodox beliefs.
*The Supernal Triad of the Kabbalah* is the source of the Trinity doctrine and not the Bible. It was populorized by *Philo of Alexandria* and adopted by the so called church fathers. Now these *THREE are ONE,* KETHER - CHOKMAH - BINAH, and they form the first Triad of *the Tree of Life,* which is called the *SUPERNAL TRIAD.* The SECOND TRIAD was derived from this by REFLEXION, for as *these Three are One,* so this *"One-in-Three"* again reflected Itself, reversing as in a mirror. Thus we obtain *two further Sephiroth harmonized in a third.* www.spellsandmagic.org/supernal-triad/chapter-one.html There are verses deliberately translated incorrectly to push this Babylonian religion. That's why they have to use eisegesis and philosophy (which the Bible forbids Col 2:8) to explain away the obvious verses. Trinitarians act like, there is a hidden message in Scripture about the identity of Jesus Christ. He is not the Son of God but actually Almighty God Himself. So the Trinitarians got the secret Gnosis and the rest is ignorant. Pure esoteric Babylonian mysticism mixed with Scripture. *Trinity World has another Jesus.* John 10:36 Say ye of him, *whom THE Father hath SANCTIFIED,* and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because *I said, I AM the Son of God?*
When Christians try to express the diety of Christ through the trinity it becomes ironic because they use scripture like genesis 18 which supports modalism. God coming down from the heavens in the form of a man is modalism. Because you can’t go anywhere in genesis and prove that god in heaven and the Holy Spirit which is the ruach are coexisting in a unified way in this instance. No. In genesis 18 it’s one god operating as one entity, without the mention of any god or spirit aiding him.
I don't understand how Christians think the father God has a mental multiple personality disorder. How can a sane son of God pray to himself, give himself something, send himself somewhere, have an alter personality that says not my will but yours, be on earth and project his voice to come down from heaven, etc. I believe when Yeshua said my father and I are one, he was using echad, as he quoted in what he said was the most important commandment.
All atributtes in God is God He is all that he is . He is confusing attributes with expression. The heavens and earth could be expression of him being the creator but they are not his attributes. Presence is an attribute , means the very God . God is his own essence and on his essence there are all his atributte. So they trying to separate his atributte from his essence.
The name of the Father is Jesus John 5:43 Jesus came in his Father's name, which is Jesus. Matthew 1:21 Mary was told she would have a Son, and his name would be called Jesus. John 14:26 the comforter would come in the name of Jesus, so in the new testament the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus.
This is not the case, and it is clear that Dr Brown wouldn't debate a Unitarian on this Trinity because he knows that his religion is false 1) Yeshua is not Yehovah God, Yehovah God is in Yeshua John 14:10, Colossians 2:9, Acts 2:22 ... GOD THROUGH THE MAN not JESUS IS A MEAT SUIT... Yeshua is a man John 8:40, who God did miracles through as we showed just before...
3 never is one in this universe or any other. There I'd one God the father .and one lord Jesus Christ 1 cor 8.6. Also John 17.3. This is eternal life to know you the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom he has sent. Sometimes words mean what they say. Especially when words of GOD.
Do we worship the Holy Spirit? I mean I personally call Him, Eternal Father, Jesus Christ. For me HE is one and the same, I might be missing something.
@@waitstill7091 is your statement a direct representation of you, can your direct speech affect things, can you separate yourself from your own speech?
@@agis230 6I am the Lord your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.7You shall not have the gods of others in My presence. Deuteronomy 5:6-7
Opinions don't matter ... For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5 7 KJV
1 John 5:7 is a textual variant and does not belong in the Bible because the original codex did not contain the Comma Johanneum (in 1 John 5:7), but it was added by a later hand on the margin.  en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Joh... Johannine Comma - Wikipedia
Oy Vey! He takes the bait and is snared; yet he knows not. Manny should read the TANAK and not those things that say what it means. I pray for his conversion to Christ.
Brown didn't make a very good rebuttal either. If Shekhina is not God than your walking Shekhina is not to be Worshiped. It doesn't say God doesn't have an Image...it only Says you have not seen one... Okay... And that's why you Should not worship any Image Make or Female. So if you can't worship it than it's Idolatry!
Dr Brown, to say that God is a “complex unity” is not compatible with historic Trinitarianism. Please look into that. The listener correctly “got you” on this point.
If you’re not careful using analogies you might represent a heretical view. When you say it that way, you’re saying that the persons in the Trinity are parts of one God, but the belief is that there is One God in Three Persons, all co-eternal, co-equal. From the Athanasian Creed: 3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; 4. Neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance. 5. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Spirit. 6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal. 7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit. 8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. 9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. 10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. 11. And yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal. The word “catholic” means universal, it is not refering to the church that is in communion with the Bishop of Rome/Pope.
To sum the whole creed up, One Essence Three Persons or One God Three Persons. Note that the word “persons” does not imply what you think it might imply, it’s just because languages are finite and we have no other words to represent what we are trying to get across.
Enjoyed both sides of this discussion. But ultimately "whoever has the Son has the Father and whoever has not the Son has not the Father." The New Testament really does reveal things that are hidden in the Old Testament.
The "orthodox Jew" is doing everything he can to twist God's word into something opposite of what it clearly implies. God has appeared to His people in the form of a "man" in several cases in the Old and New testament. Old covenant and New covenant. Sounds worse than debating a mormon or jw; willfully ignorant and deliberately ignoring the obvious interpretation. Sad.
Romans 10 kjv 1. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6, But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7. Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Caller puts all his faith in mathematics yet kurt Godel proved with his incompleteness theorems the limitation of pure mathematics to derive certainty consistently
Great dialog, but Dr. Brown smashed ol buddy's logic...it's always surprising to me every single time how humans try to apply the laws of physics as humans know and understand the laws of physics on GOD who created the laws of physics 😆
@@carolinee4709 I believe he means that the beliefs espoused by the man would be problematic if he were an Orthodox Christian, because it's not Trinitarian 😂
*The Supernal Triad of the Kabbalah* is the source of the Trinity doctrine and not the Bible. It was populorized by *Philo of Alexandria* and adopted by the so called church fathers. Now these *THREE are ONE,* KETHER - CHOKMAH - BINAH, and they form the first Triad of *the Tree of Life,* which is called the *SUPERNAL TRIAD.* The SECOND TRIAD was derived from this by REFLEXION, for as *these Three are One,* so this *"One-in-Three"* again reflected Itself, reversing as in a mirror. Thus we obtain *two further Sephiroth harmonized in a third.* www.spellsandmagic.org/supernal-triad/chapter-one.html There are verses deliberately translated incorrectly to push this Babylonian religion. That's why they have to use eisegesis and philosophy (which the Bible forbids Col 2:8) to explain away the obvious verses. Trinitarians act like, there is a hidden message in Scripture about the identity of Jesus Christ. He is not the Son of God but actually Almighty God Himself. So the Trinitarians got the secret Gnosis and the rest is ignorant. Pure esoteric Babylonian mysticism mixed with Scripture. *Trinity World has another Jesus.* John 10:36 Say ye of him, *whom THE Father hath SANCTIFIED,* and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because *I said, I AM the Son of God?*
@@JudeOne3Four Only Protestants starting 500 years ago began to be bound to the Scriptures. Orthodox Christianity emerged directly out of Judaism at the time of Christ, and there is a continued Tradition of wisdom and writings by good teachers.
@@isaiahpoe R.C. Sproul, in his book What is Reformed Theology? “the Reformers embraced the doctrines articulated and formulated by the great ecumenical councils of church history, *INCLUDING the doctrine of the Trinity AND of Christ’s person* and work formulated at the councils of Nicea in 325 and Chalcedon in 451.” Ch. 1 pg.28-29 Quess who the person is, the so called church fathers got their Trinity doctrine from? *The Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church (nr 234)* www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm
Scripture states that the Lord “ Yahweh” who was with Abraham looking upon the cities Sodom and Gomorrah, and Abraham asked the Lord will you destroy the cities if there are 50 righteous people and then on and on down to 10 righteous people for God said the cities wouldn’t be destroyed if there were even 10 righteous people. Then it says, “the Lord rained down fire and burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord in Heaven. - Genesis 19:24 So here we see that there are at least 2 Lords that are Yahweh which came to be known in mainstream Jewish theology as the Two Powers of Heaven. We also read about the Holy Spirit. So this actually makes a lot of sense when compared to the Christian Trinity. God also declares in the Shema “Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One “Echad”. That word for one “Echad” is used to describe Adam and Eve “for the TWO “Persons” shall become ONE/Echad flesh. God is telling us that while there is only 1 God, there are 3 Persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, Holy Spirit who are 3 in Persons but is 1 God “one essence, one nature, one in being”. 1 What with 3 Who’s. It is perfection. Within the very being of God is Love within the Father, Son, Holy Spirit! Glory to God Almighty!
“hear Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is ONE “. Being ONE is an attribute of God (not being 3). Like being immortal (cannot die), like being invisible (cannot be seen), like being eternal (cannot be begotten). God has never been shy throughout the Old Testament (Tanakh), He always clearly states who He is and what He wants. Why He never mentioned clearly that He was a Triune God (like He always does)? Why He never clearly mentioned that salvation is coming thru his son? If it was so clear, why Christians in the first 2 centuries after Christ debated and fought over the divinity of Christ and the concept of the trinity? If the meaning of the text was so obvious, why still having debates 2000 years later?… peace and blessings.
It's funny to listen to the Orthodox view and how at the basis of their view there is always a tap dance to explain away parts of Scripture that they can't explain plainly. You can hear when he is confronted with Scriptural truths how the Orthodox guy stammers to try to deny the fact of Yeshua as Elohim even though he kind of wants to agree with what he's hearing from Dr. Brown, but won't because of the tradition he was raised with.
When God can create all the universe, you think he needs to come to earth to save you it putting limits on God and make him so small that he has to come earth, no does not he can do every thing from above then when he can create everything's from up there, get your mind right because by saying that God came to earth is very disrespect to his holiness and power.
The body in which I live is the expression of who I AM so when you talk to me ME although you see the body (the expression ) you are actually talking to WHO I AM. so when we we talk to YESHUA we are not talking to the body ( human flesh ) but to who he is (THE I AM )
Did not the Lord say, Let us make man in His image! US! One God! Jehovah Elohim! Why is it plural if God is one! But He is one in three different persons, yes! Just cannot wrap my little mind about it! LOL!
That’s exactly what I believe: The essence of God, shared by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is eternal, they are coeternal, but the flesh of Jesus was created (by the Holy Spirit as Luke records). Jesus is one expression of God’s essence :)
But are they co-equal? That's one part of the definition of the Trinity I cannot reconcile? The Father is still clearly shown to have all the authority and granting the authority to Jesus after he completed his voluntary mission.
He says Holy Spirit GOD, the Memra are expressions of GOD but also says humans are expressions of GOD?? We're created and the others are not created. His definition of expression won't work for botn
@@digitalsublime by special revelation I mean the Bible. Trinity proofs would be Trinity appearing in Jesus' great commission, Baptism, Benedictions given in Corinthians, Trinitarian verses like Revelation 1:4-5. Not to mention indirect proofs
@@digitalsublime just because Christ voluntarily submits himself in a Son position doesn't make him categorically lesser than GOD. For example I submit to my earthly father but as a human I'm equal to him and superior to other creations like animals. Same way Jesus who existed before creation with GOD the Father in glory (John 17:5) submits himself voluntarily to the Father but is categorically equal to the Father. That's why Jesus always blesses, performs miracles directly without invoking GOD.
@@digitalsublime study Hebrew than you see the big picture. You will find the trinity on the OT also in the NT. GOD, Elohim is echad. Echad means more than 3.
It seems so obvious to me that Manny was using every manner of intellectual, philosophical and reasonable way of disregarding plain text. It also seems obvious that Manny is quite close to being a believer In Christ, except for that veil that is preventing him from having Christ. Not quite a reprobate but there is a barrier between him and belief.
as I listened one thing I noticed was the caller relied on peoples interpretation of scripture instead of what scripture says... this concept is similar to not thinking that the flood was worldwide despite having the fossils as proof on the mountain tops... the caller will admit to Isaiah being an old testament prophet yet can't read the words as meaning what they say... the bible says what it means and man tries to interpret what it really means.. many are blind because they choose to rely on man rather than God
I find some of the modern Jews quite rationalistic. I wonder about the resemblance between Protestants and post-temple Jewish thinking. The obvious point here was, as Brown said at the end: He takes things *literally*, while the caller was thinking *symbolically* (expressions etc). As I am approaching Catholicism these days, I see a faith that is more "fundamentalistic" than the Fundamentalists (= a particular Protestant view from late 19th century, to counter the rationalistic/secular culture). In particular when it comes to the Eucharist, but also in other things.
Why are these people using symbolism to depict the triune God. Don't they know that there is no symbolism in Christ. Not even a cross people are still wearing crosses round there neck. If you have the Holy Spirit you don't need rings and chains to prove you are a christian the triquetra is not a christian symbol in fact we don't have symbols in the Church of Jesus Christ
Yeshua was a Human as us, but where God made him to be born of Holy Spirit and God entered the body and spoke all those words out of His mouth. As Jesus says I speak nothing Myself but the Father that is in Me speaks everything. A ham flesh cannot say I am the Truth, the Life and the Way, here "the" being the definite article. Father that was in Him and spoke those words. If Jesus the flesh and blood was God, He would have never died. He wouldn't have said Eli, Eli Lama Sabbachthani. The Gather had left him The book of Hebrews says Jesus(flesh and blood) was in every way a man and endured all kinds of temptation. God cannot fall into temptation, let alone temptation He can by no means even be tempted. Only flesh and blood falls into temptation. John 17:1 Glorify thy Son(flesh). This statement is clarified by Paul in Philippians 2:9-10 The name above all names. Every knew shall bow and every tongue confess. Father sends the Holy Spirit on Jesus John 16 says I will send the Spirit "after" I go. I believe He says this because the Father, the Holy Spirit is in Him(flesh and blood) because He was a sinless Man.
I don't believe in the Trinity as a Christadelphian so I personally believe the LORD walking around speaking and being spoken to as God was the angel of His presence.
We dont worship the body of Jesus? I dont think Brown is right here. In the Incarnation God has become flesh, this entails worship of His flesh. There is in Jesus Christ no longer any separation between creation and deity. God became man that we may (through faith) become divine!
And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Ezekiel 1:26 KJV
THANK YOU! ...thus was the likeness of the glory(shekinah) of God! i think Christianity caused a massive reaction from the jewish side than eventually sidelined him as a figment of the imagination
Great video. Dr. Brown, you are right on point. By the way, I have been conversing with Dr. Al Garza, who told me he is your friend. He also says that you agree with him on Genesis 18. Dr. Al Garza claims that the Trinity is found in Genesis 18. I showed him one of your old videos where you teach that it was God and two angels. Dr. Garza claims that you changed your mind and agree with him. Is this true?
In Genesis 18 all three men were called Adonai and the two men who came to Lot as Messengers were also called Adonai, too. Hence, you have Genesis 19:24. All three were a manifestation of YHVH.
"So the men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before YHWH." (Genesis 18:22) As we can see here the Torah differentiates between the other two men (angels) who were with Abraham and the LORD Himself (the Memra of the LORD). Stating that Abraham stayed with the LORD. "And YHWH appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth" (Genesis 18:1-2) According to verse 2 there were three men who appeared to Abraham. Verse 22 says the men left but Abraham stayed with the LORD. This indicates that one of these three was an appearance of God (a theophony). We as Christians believe these appearances of the LORD is the "Logos" or "Memra" (the Word). Further confirmation of this is in the next chapter. "Then YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from YHWH out of heaven." (Genesis 19:24) We see here verse 24 of chaper 19 says the LORD rained down fire from the LORD out of Heaven! What could this mean? Targum Jonathan and Targum Jerusalem on Gen 19:24 both state that the Memra of the LORD Himself rained down fire on Sodom and Amorah. "And the Word of YHWH Himself had made to descend upon the people of Sedom and Amorah showers of favour, that they might work repentance from their wicked works. But when they saw the showers of favour, they said, So, our wicked works are not manifest before Him. He turned (then), and caused to descend upon them bitumen and fire from before YHWH from the heavens." (Targum Jerusalem on Genesis 19:24)
Targum Jonathan on Genesis 19:1 also calls the men who left in verse 22 the two angels... Again Abraham stayed there before the LORD because one of the three men was the Memra of the LORD.
@@jonathananderson4542 YHVH said he would go down and see their cries. Then the men left to go down. In Genesis 19:2 and 19:18 Lot called the two messengers “Adonai.” All three are Adonai which means “My Lords” in Hebrew. Sorry, you need to read the Hebrew.
@@dralgarza God is always referred to as "Adonai" and not "Adoni"... That has nothing to do with there being three men. Abraham uses "Adonai" out of reverence for God. You are reaching with that!
infinity is not expressed by a numerical value, but picture with me a timeline. This timeline can stretch forward or backward forever. So we can divide the timeline in 2 equal parts using zero as the dividing line but both parts are still infinite. So we can see that it is possible to divide infinity and we can also see that all equal parts remain infinite.
@@agis230 The right one. 4Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4 5I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God... Isaiah 45:5
Dr Brown: I only take what the Text clearly Says... And it Says you have not seen... But it doesn't say God doesn't have an Image... Me: but the Text clearly Says therefore don't worship any form Male or Female. So Worshiping any Image and Form, is Idolatry. Worshiping Jesus is Idolatry. And that is Clear from Deuteronomy 13 a God you or you forefathers have not known... nobody knew Jesus as God before 30AD, which makes it clearly Idolatry. Good luck.
@@shhiknopfler3912 no, I kept on reading your words over and over and still nothing lol. What’s sad, pitiful and funny (all at the same time) is that is evident you think you have an argument, when you don’t. I pity you. BTW Jesus is YHWH of the Tanakh. Talk about again THEY didn’t know him.
@@AlexartCorp well go learn to read. Dr Brown claims that Jesus is YHVH with a form... Well that's exactly what the Tanakh warned not to worship. What exactly of my argument didn't you understand??? Btw I can tell you on anything that it's the YHVH of the Tenakh.. that is exactly the warning of Deuteronomy 13 because nobody knew the YHVH of the Tenakh as Jesus.. So the pity is on ppl who worship Idolatry. And violate God's Commandments. Lets be frank not even Jesus Mother thought he was the YHVH of the Tenakh Mark 3 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.” Nobody thinks of YHVH as going out of his mind. Get real.
@@shhiknopfler3912 You're not alone. John 17:3(YLT) _"and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee(the Father), the ONLY TRUE GOD, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ"_ It's amazing how hard they fight to justify their idolatry.
From the AskDrBrown Team: Actually, Rabbi Singer has refused to debate or dialogue with Dr. Brown for the last 30 years. See here for details: th-cam.com/video/U5-TJPz6Y94/w-d-xo.html. For Dr. Brown's series refuting the misinformation of Rabbi Singer, go here: realmessiah.com/answering-the-rabbis/
Dr Brown is more matured. I appreciate his calmness and the manner he was asking questions. I don't necessarily negate anything that the caller said. Excellent work on both of them. Respect 👏👏👏👏👏👏🤝
Dynamite conversation. Great analytical dialog from both parties based on the scriptures.We know that "there is only One (God)". Makes me think of the example of one prism that shines the full spectrum of light. Thank you both.
I think about the reason why God has to teach Israel the Shema. Only reasonable cause is that He is manifest in multiple forms, like his Word, his Spirit, but He is still one. Like when you look at the sky, one see it blue, one see it stormy, but it is the same sky. Shema Israel, there is one sky.
Interesting conversation. I wonder what his take would be on Daniel 7 regarding the one like a son of man sitting at the right hand of the Ancient of Days.
@@treksta2009 I wanna read it. Send it to me, please
He would just copout with some "feelings of God" nonsense.
Its a misunderstanding to object how could you divide the infinte? Because he's not divided, but you can divide infinity. You could divide the odd numbers from the even numbers but they're both infinite sets.
I find it interesting when people limit what God can and cannot do. I thought God could do whatever he want even if it's beyond my understanding
I am a Christian. There are lots of things God can’t do. He can’t lie, steal (as he owns everything), or do other sins. He can’t murder, as all life belongs to him so he can take it when he wants. Right?
@@sandina2cents779 God cannot do anything that goes against his nature, which will make him less than God…. Like being a man (numbers, Hosea).
@@utubelittlebagofeverything5844 Correct. God is not a man. God came into his creation and put on human flesh. He did that (show me anything that says he can’t enter his creation) so that he could have a human experience (setting aside his deity powers) to concur sin and death and show us the way so we could be saved through his righteousness and his perfect life by dying for our sins as he had none to die for.
We are not saying God changed into a man or was created by birth. He has always existed and he chose to put on human flesh, like you put on a shirt. That did not make him less of deity, he still was fully God and fully man.
@@utubelittlebagofeverything5844
God absolutely can be a man. He was a man several times throughout the Bible . God can be whatever He wants to be.
God can't make a four sided triangle. To do so would return the universe to chaos. Some things are hidden by God (why do the innocent suffer) to be revealed at the end of days. But things are logical impossibilities.
dr. brown really has been called to his position. you can't fake that kind of patience. and you cannot fake the desire to be appealing. for me i just recognize that it's foolish to try and put god in a box and say he must do this he must do that and he cannot do that. for me it's easy to just say god does what he wants to do when he wants to do it. i don't see why everyone can't believe that way, but i'm clearly in the minority and i have to accept that.
That was super awesome conversation and hope you guys do a part 2
The term 'Homousious' was used to explain the unity of father, son, and holy spirit.
Dr Brown, you are a great bible scholar! Impressive. Regular Christians would not be able to answer this man....
@ASKDrBrown imposter, false teacher
@@zhihanlim3500 how is he a false preacher
@@zhihanlim3500Don't be a chicken nugget. Dr Brown is far from false.
Mimonedes's 13 principles of faith? I don't remember reading about those in the Tanakh!
My GOD BLESS YOU DR BRONW ❤ yeshua is king 👑 👑
Dr. Brown brings in Gen. 18 the inference that God came in human form. What i don't understand with every Jewish scholar who reads this passage is that they assume that the three men are considered God and two angels, when the plain reading could go further. Gen 18 could very well refer to the physical manifestation of three men; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and not just God and two angels. Dr. Michael Brown, can you agree that Gen. 18 could be a physical manifestation of the Trinity or not, and why not?
That was a good dialogue
Heard a preacher once say that when Moses said, show me your glory, that he was translated to the mount of configuration and seen Jesus in all His glory!
So the preacher said Moses was a time traveler???
Neat as that sounds, we have no biblically justifiable reason to believe that is what happened. Could have, but we have no reason to believe it did.
@@zachdavenport8509 ...sometimes preachers just like an idea so much...they preach it even if they know its not biblical.
@@shawnstephens6795 I know they do, but they ought not.
@@zachdavenport8509 that's fair
We may differ s bit in in-house non-essential issues, that said, what a blessing you and your work is. Peace of Christ be with you.
Wait, I don’t want to assume what you believe, are you calling the trinity a non-essential issue?
@@DJRoll15 - The Trinity, Godhead, 1 What and 3 Who's is an orthodox Christian doctrine, this is an essential issue!
Of the 2,5 billion "Christians" (God knows their heart) , non-triniterians amounts to around 60 million... Should be 0 million.
@ASKDrBrown fake account.
The Jewish guy is beating around the bush, sorry for the pun. Your 100% right Dr. Brown it's much more than an impression .
Presence in Hebrew is the word for face; paneem. It's hard to then argue that His presence is not actually God Himself. Unless ofcourse His face also isn't actually God either.
Exactly , his presence means his face and the other way around
Everything used to denie what is being written .
In Genesis 32:30 we see that my father Jacob understood that the man with whom he was wrestling was God manifested in the flesh, in fact he called the place where that event took place פניאל peniel (panim + el) and said he saw God פנים אל־פנים (face to face) in fact the word פנים indicates "face" or "presence" depending on the context. What is certain is that the struggle in Ge 32:30 was between Jacob and God manifested in the flesh, and the Lord as a loving father was teaching Jacob something, telling him for the first time that he would no longer be called Jacob but Israel. And as a Christian of Jewish origin I tell you that some manifestations of God in the flesh are described in the OT. The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh, there is no trinity doctrine in the Bible. Michael Brown is a false teacher
*God is One, Jesus Christ is God*
I hoped they discussed about *The Angel of The Lord*
The person on the phone said exactly what trinitarians believe.
"Jesus' essence was co-eternal and his body was created ", which is exactly that Jesus was fully man and fully God. The caller missed it.
Interesting discussion Father Son and Holy Spirit God revealed in 3 persons equals 1 God Father creator Jesus our Salvation Holy Spirit our teacher are all 1 God Hallelujah
22:04 He doesn’t have a problem with God being 3 yet 1 but have a problem with the Trinity?
An expression of God is God limiting himself to human understanding, so that He may communicate with us. We would get mad, if not destroyed, otherwise.
The caller wants a mathematical and scientific proof of God.
Here: Infinity + Infinity + Infinity = Infinity
Father + Son + Holy Spirit = God
The way people ask questions on the this topic you can tell they don't study there bible. In my early years as a child of God I know of the bat that God is triune they ask questions they themselves can not answer. I admire bro Brown patience.
The Jewish brother made the most sense!
Adam and Eve were clothed in glory when in the garden. They did not know they were naked until they fell.
"He fills the whole earth" and yet "His Presence is not G-d" ? What pray tell Akhi does He fill the whole earth with then?
if Christians say "1 being in 3 being" that's contradiction or "1 person in 3 person" that's also another contradiction but christian was not like that, the christian doctrine is "1 being in 3 person" is not contradiction because you have to define first what is the ontological definition of "being", being means is a nature or essence of existence which you can apply to definition of how many kind of human being and there's onkt 1 kind of human being due to nature abd essence of existence, for example if the person has son and wife, all of them are the same human being because they are the same in nature or essence of existence but they are different person as a "who".
also the word "Elohim (means God) in the old testament is not ontologically defined as DEITY but ontological definition of word "Elohim" depends on the context of the bible, for example Genesis 1.1 Elohim word used on this bible verse means powerful Being but "elohim"used in Exodus 7.1 means not DEITY because YHWH made Moses elohim to pharoah. YWHW is ELOHIM but not all Elohim is YHWH for example Genesis 1.1 vs Exodus 7.1
it's very hard for jews, muslims, or unitarian this but TRI-UNITY (TRINITY) is the name of the conclusion derived from Deductive reasoning in the Old Testament if premisds are true then the conclusuon is true for example in Exodus 3.2 MALAK YHWH appeared to Moses and then v4, v5, v6 , v15 MALAK YHWH become I AM GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and v16“Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, “I am indeed concerned about you and what has been done to you in Egypt. "
abother passage is Isaiah 48.12-16 where Me ik Isaiah 48.12 is the first and the last and who stretched in heaven but in Isaiah 48 16, the "Me and Spirit were sent by LORDH OF HOST but Me in Isaiah 48.12-13 is the the first and the last and stretched heane5and founded the foundation of earth.
i would suggest to read the whole chapter of Genesis 18 & 19. for example if you will compare Genesis 18.3 and Genesis 19.18, from masoretic text, they are the same because of kamatz under "N" of ADONAY in hebrew and compare Genesis 18.3 and Genesis 19.28 vs Genesis 32.5 where the meaning of ADONAY or adoni, depends of nikkud.
this is how masoretic text differentiates between DEITY and human master using different nikkud as my example genesis 18.3 & genesis 19.18 vs genesis 32.5.
Abraham bowed down to 3 men and Lot bowed down to MALAKIM and masoretic text used the same DEITY for ADONAY in Genesis 19.18. please check in interlinear
biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/18-3.htm
&
biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/19-18.htm
vs
biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/32-5.htm
I never saw any evidence of the trinity in the Bible
Because you dont want to accept truth.
Even atheist believe there is no God and say it has no evidence:)
1 Tim 3:16
John 1:1
God is all, but the holy spirit is his presence through his spirit, his air (ruaj) and Yehoshua is the meshiah, he spoke to Abraham, was to Jerusalem on a donkey, was dead and resurrected from the seol on 3 days, he is still alive sitting at right of God. He had to suffer and die crucified because was in the scriptures, but the king David wrote on salm 16; 8-11 that the meshiah died but would not know the corruption of his body and neither the seol. He will come back at the olives mountain at Jerusalem in the ends of times on the final judge. Sorry for my bad english.
Through me you will arrive to my father (said Yehoshua), they were one, because by Yehoshua was made the will of God. But this is not easy to understand, and the ruaj hakodesh is the wifi connection with God, if someone has wifi connection is connected with God through the ruaj hakodesh and you speak with the words of Hashem and do what he wants that you do in that moment. You will heal, you will see the future, you will speak in languages because you will can touch the heart, the heart is the door and the knowledge, number 5 like the Torah. And the emuná the faith lives in the heart and in your homes (bodies) if you do something with the power of your heart you will do it.
I think we should feel comfortable telling Jews: "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." - 1 Corinthians 8:6
Believing in the doctrine of the Trinity isn't required to become a Christian. It's ok to say their is One God, the Father, and that Jesus Christ is the Father's only begotten Son and Jesus is the Messiah and our Lord.
The Bible says so many times that there is One God the Father. We should be telling this to Jews. You're keeping Jews out of the kingdom of God over something you don't have to believe to be a Christian.
It's really sad.
The Triune belief is not Jewish, but rather Hebrew. Most Jews that we, as Western Americans, are exposed to are European and it's not surprising that there is a disagreement between the Messianic and Orthodox beliefs.
*The Supernal Triad of the Kabbalah* is the source of the Trinity doctrine and not the Bible. It was populorized by *Philo of Alexandria* and adopted by the so called church fathers.
Now these *THREE are ONE,* KETHER - CHOKMAH - BINAH, and they form the first Triad of *the Tree of Life,* which is called the *SUPERNAL TRIAD.* The SECOND TRIAD was derived from this by REFLEXION, for as *these Three are One,* so this *"One-in-Three"* again reflected Itself, reversing as in a mirror. Thus we obtain *two further Sephiroth harmonized in a third.*
www.spellsandmagic.org/supernal-triad/chapter-one.html
There are verses deliberately translated incorrectly to push this Babylonian religion. That's why they have to use eisegesis and philosophy (which the Bible forbids Col 2:8) to explain away the obvious verses.
Trinitarians act like, there is a hidden message in Scripture about the identity of Jesus Christ. He is not the Son of God but actually Almighty God Himself. So the Trinitarians got the secret Gnosis and the rest is ignorant. Pure esoteric Babylonian mysticism mixed with Scripture.
*Trinity World has another Jesus.*
John 10:36 Say ye of him, *whom THE Father hath SANCTIFIED,* and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because *I said, I AM the Son of God?*
@ASKDrBrown Yeah whatever smh
Dude was trying to weasel his way out of answering things. He knew you were right. He just didn't want to admit it.
So he would claim that Jesus and the holy spirit are expressions of God?
@ASKDrBrown Scammer.
Your caller you are talking to about the Trinity said that the Jewish people should sacrifice it he believe that then way don't he
The greek testament is NOT a holy text !!!!!! Shalom Klal Yisrael !!!!!!!!!
Right, so now what?
When Christians try to express the diety of Christ through the trinity it becomes ironic because they use scripture like genesis 18 which supports modalism. God coming down from the heavens in the form of a man is modalism. Because you can’t go anywhere in genesis and prove that god in heaven and the Holy Spirit which is the ruach are coexisting in a unified way in this instance. No. In genesis 18 it’s one god operating as one entity, without the mention of any god or spirit aiding him.
There are factors of infinity.
@ASKDrBrown Who are you giving this message to?
Pantheistic jew? Hmmm
I don't understand how Christians think the father God has a mental multiple personality disorder. How can a sane son of God pray to himself, give himself something, send himself somewhere, have an alter personality that says not my will but yours, be on earth and project his voice to come down from heaven, etc. I believe when Yeshua said my father and I are one, he was using echad, as he quoted in what he said was the most important commandment.
All atributtes in God is God
He is all that he is .
He is confusing attributes with expression.
The heavens and earth could be expression of him being the creator but they are not his attributes.
Presence is an attribute , means the very God .
God is his own essence and on his essence there are all his atributte.
So they trying to separate his atributte from his essence.
Since every person has a spirit and a name, what is the Name of the Holy Spirit?
Jesus Christ is the name
The Holy Spirit it’s his name. We all have a spirit, but the Holy Spirit is the eternal God, in the same essence as the Son and Father.
The name of the Father is Jesus John 5:43 Jesus came in his Father's name, which is Jesus.
Matthew 1:21 Mary was told she would have a Son, and his name would be called Jesus.
John 14:26 the comforter would come in the name of Jesus, so in the new testament the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus.
YHVH
@Desire Of All Nations explain what the Holy Spirit is
His claim of God as being an expression is quite strange.
This is not the case, and it is clear that Dr Brown wouldn't debate a Unitarian on this Trinity because he knows that his religion is false 1) Yeshua is not Yehovah God, Yehovah God is in Yeshua John 14:10, Colossians 2:9, Acts 2:22 ... GOD THROUGH THE MAN not JESUS IS A MEAT SUIT... Yeshua is a man John 8:40, who God did miracles through as we showed just before...
From the AskDrBrown Team: th-cam.com/video/L2gf9gO4bGc/w-d-xo.html
3 never is one in this universe or any other. There I'd one God the father
.and one lord Jesus Christ
1 cor 8.6. Also John 17.3. This is eternal life to know you the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom he has sent. Sometimes words mean what they say. Especially when words of GOD.
The 2 become one flesh.
Do we worship the Holy Spirit? I mean I personally call Him, Eternal Father, Jesus Christ. For me HE is one and the same, I might be missing something.
1+1+1=3
@@waitstill7091 is your statement a direct representation of you, can your direct speech affect things, can you separate yourself from your own speech?
@@waitstill7091 One egg plus one ounce of flour plus one cup of milk equals one cake, not three cakes
@@agis230 6I am the Lord your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.7You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.
Deuteronomy 5:6-7
Genesis 32 24-30 even better
They believe in a presupposition .. and invent their own philosophies to make it seem evident..
Opinions don't matter ... For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5 7 KJV
1 John 5:7 is a textual variant and does not belong in the Bible because the original codex did not contain the Comma Johanneum (in 1 John 5:7), but it was added by a later hand on the margin.

en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Joh...
Johannine Comma - Wikipedia
Oy Vey! He takes the bait and is snared; yet he knows not. Manny should read the TANAK and not those things that say what it means. I pray for his conversion to Christ.
I came down in a car
Lol I'm sorry but this man is dancing around simple semantics to try to create an argument and prove his point.
Brown didn't make a very good rebuttal either.
If Shekhina is not God than your walking Shekhina is not to be Worshiped.
It doesn't say God doesn't have an Image...it only Says you have not seen one...
Okay... And that's why you Should not worship any Image Make or Female. So if you can't worship it than it's Idolatry!
Dr Brown, to say that God is a “complex unity” is not compatible with historic Trinitarianism. Please look into that. The listener correctly “got you” on this point.
One God: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Like one three leafed clover ?
Okay. I'm not so bright . I dont know how to communicate clearly what I'm trying to express.
If you’re not careful using analogies you might represent a heretical view. When you say it that way, you’re saying that the persons in the Trinity are parts of one God, but the belief is that there is One God in Three Persons, all co-eternal, co-equal.
From the Athanasian Creed:
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal.
The word “catholic” means universal, it is not refering to the church that is in communion with the Bishop of Rome/Pope.
To sum the whole creed up, One Essence Three Persons or One God Three Persons. Note that the word “persons” does not imply what you think it might imply, it’s just because languages are finite and we have no other words to represent what we are trying to get across.
Enjoyed both sides of this discussion. But ultimately "whoever has the Son has the Father and whoever has not the Son has not the Father." The New Testament really does reveal things that are hidden in the Old Testament.
Amen. End of story.
@@joshuanadeem8898 , so what do you mean ? Please explain !!!
Yes..
@@carolinee4709 what didn't you understand
I would like this but, I want to keep this at 66 likes.
And God appeared , Well He didn't really appeard ... And Abraham saw... Well Abraham didn't really saw ... Oh For GOD 😭
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@@autumn_b905 at this point nothing is real everything is symbols
The "orthodox Jew" is doing everything he can to twist God's word into something opposite of what it clearly implies. God has appeared to His people in the form of a "man" in several cases in the Old and New testament. Old covenant and New covenant. Sounds worse than debating a mormon or jw; willfully ignorant and deliberately ignoring the obvious interpretation. Sad.
Romans 10 kjv
1. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6, But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7. Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Caller puts all his faith in mathematics yet kurt Godel proved with his incompleteness theorems the limitation of pure mathematics to derive certainty consistently
Echad does not only mean one but also unity as in man and woman when married
Great dialog, but Dr. Brown smashed ol buddy's logic...it's always surprising to me every single time how humans try to apply the laws of physics as humans know and understand the laws of physics on GOD who created the laws of physics 😆
No, you were just too dim to understand "ol buddy". God, at the beginning, created a universe of order out of chaos. So, no four sided triangles.
@@marchess286 commenting on a comment from three years ago...find a hobby clown
Oooh I thought the guy calling was an Orthodox **Christian** and I was like "What is happening?" xD
Hahaha :D that would be “problematic”
@@pontification7891 Why ? What is wrong with Eastern Orthodox or the early church fathers teachings ???
@@carolinee4709 I believe he means that the beliefs espoused by the man would be problematic if he were an Orthodox Christian, because it's not Trinitarian 😂
@@isaiahpoe , but Eastern Orthodox does have 3 in one God beliefs 🤔
@@isaiahpoe , oh I see , they meant that it would not make sense because of what the Eastern Orthodox church teaches 😂
So the caller believes no one can understand Him and live?
Hehe, good catch :)
Exactly my thoughts
Shalom Form Germany. Thank you Dr Brown and thank you for the Work you do for Jesus
*The Supernal Triad of the Kabbalah* is the source of the Trinity doctrine and not the Bible. It was populorized by *Philo of Alexandria* and adopted by the so called church fathers.
Now these *THREE are ONE,* KETHER - CHOKMAH - BINAH, and they form the first Triad of *the Tree of Life,* which is called the *SUPERNAL TRIAD.* The SECOND TRIAD was derived from this by REFLEXION, for as *these Three are One,* so this *"One-in-Three"* again reflected Itself, reversing as in a mirror. Thus we obtain *two further Sephiroth harmonized in a third.*
www.spellsandmagic.org/supernal-triad/chapter-one.html
There are verses deliberately translated incorrectly to push this Babylonian religion. That's why they have to use eisegesis and philosophy (which the Bible forbids Col 2:8) to explain away the obvious verses.
Trinitarians act like, there is a hidden message in Scripture about the identity of Jesus Christ. He is not the Son of God but actually Almighty God Himself. So the Trinitarians got the secret Gnosis and the rest is ignorant. Pure esoteric Babylonian mysticism mixed with Scripture.
*Trinity World has another Jesus.*
John 10:36 Say ye of him, *whom THE Father hath SANCTIFIED,* and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because *I said, I AM the Son of God?*
@ASKDrBrown What does this have to do with what i have posted?
@@JudeOne3Four Only Protestants starting 500 years ago began to be bound to the Scriptures. Orthodox Christianity emerged directly out of Judaism at the time of Christ, and there is a continued Tradition of wisdom and writings by good teachers.
@@isaiahpoe R.C. Sproul, in his book What is Reformed Theology? “the Reformers embraced the doctrines articulated and formulated by the great ecumenical councils of church history, *INCLUDING the doctrine of the Trinity AND of Christ’s person* and work formulated at the councils of Nicea in 325 and Chalcedon in 451.” Ch. 1 pg.28-29
Quess who the person is, the so called church fathers got their Trinity doctrine from?
*The Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church (nr 234)*
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm
i am so appreciative of Dr Brown
Scripture states that the Lord “ Yahweh” who was with Abraham looking upon the cities Sodom and Gomorrah, and Abraham asked the Lord will you destroy the cities if there are 50 righteous people and then on and on down to 10 righteous people for God said the cities wouldn’t be destroyed if there were even 10 righteous people. Then it says, “the Lord rained down fire and burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord in Heaven. - Genesis 19:24 So here we see that there are at least 2 Lords that are Yahweh which came to be known in mainstream Jewish theology as the Two Powers of Heaven. We also read about the Holy Spirit. So this actually makes a lot of sense when compared to the Christian Trinity. God also declares in the Shema “Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One “Echad”. That word for one “Echad” is used to describe Adam and Eve “for the TWO “Persons” shall become ONE/Echad flesh. God is telling us that while there is only 1 God, there are 3 Persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, Holy Spirit who are 3 in Persons but is 1 God “one essence, one nature, one in being”. 1 What with 3 Who’s. It is perfection. Within the very being of God is Love within the Father, Son, Holy Spirit! Glory to God Almighty!
“hear Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is ONE “. Being ONE is an attribute of God (not being 3). Like being immortal (cannot die), like being invisible (cannot be seen), like being eternal (cannot be begotten). God has never been shy throughout the Old Testament (Tanakh), He always clearly states who He is and what He wants. Why He never mentioned clearly that He was a Triune God (like He always does)? Why He never clearly mentioned that salvation is coming thru his son? If it was so clear, why Christians in the first 2 centuries after Christ debated and fought over the divinity of Christ and the concept of the trinity? If the meaning of the text was so obvious, why still having debates 2000 years later?… peace and blessings.
It's funny to listen to the Orthodox view and how at the basis of their view there is always a tap dance to explain away parts of Scripture that they can't explain plainly. You can hear when he is confronted with Scriptural truths how the Orthodox guy stammers to try to deny the fact of Yeshua as Elohim even though he kind of wants to agree with what he's hearing from Dr. Brown, but won't because of the tradition he was raised with.
When God can create all the universe, you think he needs to come to earth to save you it putting limits on God and make him so small that he has to come earth, no does not he can do every thing from above then when he can create everything's from up there, get your mind right because by saying that God came to earth is very disrespect to his holiness and power.
The body in which I live is the expression of who I AM so when you talk to me ME although you see the body (the expression ) you are actually talking to WHO I AM. so when we we talk to YESHUA we are not talking to the body ( human flesh ) but to who he is (THE I AM )
modern judaism has turned God into a figment of the imagination in response to christianity. sad
No one can see The Almighty God and live
Did not the Lord say, Let us make man in His image! US! One God!
Jehovah Elohim! Why is it plural if God is one! But He is one in three different persons, yes! Just cannot wrap my little mind about it! LOL!
That’s exactly what I believe: The essence of God, shared by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is eternal, they are coeternal, but the flesh of Jesus was created (by the Holy Spirit as Luke records).
Jesus is one expression of God’s essence :)
But are they co-equal? That's one part of the definition of the Trinity I cannot reconcile? The Father is still clearly shown to have all the authority and granting the authority to Jesus after he completed his voluntary mission.
He says Holy Spirit GOD, the Memra are expressions of GOD but also says humans are expressions of GOD?? We're created and the others are not created. His definition of expression won't work for botn
@@digitalsublime because the Bible says it's 3. I agree that without special revelation you can't know some facts about GOD like Trinity.
@@digitalsublime by special revelation I mean the Bible. Trinity proofs would be Trinity appearing in Jesus' great commission, Baptism, Benedictions given in Corinthians, Trinitarian verses like Revelation 1:4-5. Not to mention indirect proofs
@@digitalsublime just because Christ voluntarily submits himself in a Son position doesn't make him categorically lesser than GOD. For example I submit to my earthly father but as a human I'm equal to him and superior to other creations like animals. Same way Jesus who existed before creation with GOD the Father in glory (John 17:5) submits himself voluntarily to the Father but is categorically equal to the Father. That's why Jesus always blesses, performs miracles directly without invoking GOD.
@@digitalsublime study Hebrew than you see the big picture. You will find the trinity on the OT also in the NT. GOD, Elohim is echad. Echad means more than 3.
@@digitalsublime so do yo believe in God the son. God the spirit and God the father?
It seems so obvious to me that Manny was using every manner of intellectual, philosophical and reasonable way of disregarding plain text.
It also seems obvious that Manny is quite close to being a believer
In Christ, except for that veil that is preventing him from having Christ.
Not quite a reprobate but there is a barrier between him and belief.
as I listened one thing I noticed was the caller relied on peoples interpretation of scripture instead of what scripture says... this concept is similar to not thinking that the flood was worldwide despite having the fossils as proof on the mountain tops... the caller will admit to Isaiah being an old testament prophet yet can't read the words as meaning what they say... the bible says what it means and man tries to interpret what it really means.. many are blind because they choose to rely on man rather than God
YHWH came down IN the cloud! The cloud was not YHWH, YHWH is YHWH!
I find some of the modern Jews quite rationalistic. I wonder about the resemblance between Protestants and post-temple Jewish thinking. The obvious point here was, as Brown said at the end: He takes things *literally*, while the caller was thinking *symbolically* (expressions etc). As I am approaching Catholicism these days, I see a faith that is more "fundamentalistic" than the Fundamentalists (= a particular Protestant view from late 19th century, to counter the rationalistic/secular culture). In particular when it comes to the Eucharist, but also in other things.
You will see God as a consuming fire...if you don't see God as Savior Messiah.
Poor guy, the questions made him nervous.
He doesn't want to look at scripture so he points to the teachings of kabala...
Why are these people using symbolism to depict the triune God. Don't they know that there is no symbolism in Christ. Not even a cross people are still wearing crosses round there neck. If you have the Holy Spirit you don't need rings and chains to prove you are a christian the triquetra is not a christian symbol in fact we don't have symbols in the Church of Jesus Christ
Shalom from Brazil !
Br here too I really like Dr Brown.
Yeshua was a Human as us, but where God made him to be born of Holy Spirit and God entered the body and spoke all those words out of His mouth. As Jesus says I speak nothing Myself but the Father that is in Me speaks everything.
A ham flesh cannot say I am the Truth, the Life and the Way, here "the" being the definite article. Father that was in Him and spoke those words.
If Jesus the flesh and blood was God, He would have never died. He wouldn't have said Eli, Eli Lama Sabbachthani. The Gather had left him
The book of Hebrews says Jesus(flesh and blood) was in every way a man and endured all kinds of temptation. God cannot fall into temptation, let alone temptation He can by no means even be tempted. Only flesh and blood falls into temptation.
John 17:1 Glorify thy Son(flesh). This statement is clarified by Paul in Philippians 2:9-10
The name above all names. Every knew shall bow and every tongue confess.
Father sends the Holy Spirit on Jesus
John 16 says I will send the Spirit "after" I go. I believe He says this because the Father, the Holy Spirit is in Him(flesh and blood) because He was a sinless Man.
Bring "Manny" back as a guest, please.
I don't believe in the Trinity as a Christadelphian so I personally believe the LORD walking around speaking and being spoken to as God was the angel of His presence.
We dont worship the body of Jesus? I dont think Brown is right here. In the Incarnation God has become flesh, this entails worship of His flesh. There is in Jesus Christ no longer any separation between creation and deity. God became man that we may (through faith) become divine!
And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Ezekiel 1:26 KJV
THANK YOU! ...thus was the likeness of the glory(shekinah) of God!
i think Christianity caused a massive reaction from the jewish side than eventually sidelined him as a figment of the imagination
The character likes math, here's a question for him, if one plus one is two, how much does one infinity plus one infinity equal?
Nobody saw God nor seen his shape that a bible verse
THAT YOUNG MAN SPEAK BECAUSE HE WANT LISTEN OWN VOICE .HASHENA IS PRESENT OF. GOD BUT NO GOD????? .
Great video. Dr. Brown, you are right on point. By the way, I have been conversing with Dr. Al Garza, who told me he is your friend. He also says that you agree with him on Genesis 18. Dr. Al Garza claims that the Trinity is found in Genesis 18. I showed him one of your old videos where you teach that it was God and two angels. Dr. Garza claims that you changed your mind and agree with him. Is this true?
From the AskDrBrown team: We very much appreciate Dr. Garza and his work, but Dr. Brown's view on Gen 18 remains the same: YHWH and two angels.
Dr Brown is invested too much in the trinity doctrine he can’t hear what the caller is saying.
Infinity divided by infinity is still infinity.
In Genesis 18 all three men were called Adonai and the two men who came to Lot as Messengers were also called Adonai, too. Hence, you have Genesis 19:24. All three were a manifestation of YHVH.
"So the men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before YHWH." (Genesis 18:22)
As we can see here the Torah differentiates between the other two men (angels) who were with Abraham and the LORD Himself (the Memra of the LORD). Stating that Abraham stayed with the LORD.
"And YHWH appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth" (Genesis 18:1-2)
According to verse 2 there were three men who appeared to Abraham. Verse 22 says the men left but Abraham stayed with the LORD. This indicates that one of these three was an appearance of God (a theophony). We as Christians believe these appearances of the LORD is the "Logos" or "Memra" (the Word). Further confirmation of this is in the next chapter.
"Then YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from YHWH out of heaven." (Genesis 19:24)
We see here verse 24 of chaper 19 says the LORD rained down fire from the LORD out of Heaven! What could this mean?
Targum Jonathan and Targum Jerusalem on Gen 19:24 both state that the Memra of the LORD Himself rained down fire on Sodom and Amorah.
"And the Word of YHWH Himself had made to descend upon the people of Sedom and Amorah showers of favour, that they might work repentance from their wicked works. But when they saw the showers of favour, they said, So, our wicked works are not manifest before Him. He turned (then), and caused to descend upon them bitumen and fire from before YHWH from the heavens." (Targum Jerusalem on Genesis 19:24)
@@jonathananderson4542 Sorry, the Hebrew is clear that all three men were Adonai, plural.
Targum Jonathan on Genesis 19:1 also calls the men who left in verse 22 the two angels... Again Abraham stayed there before the LORD because one of the three men was the Memra of the LORD.
@@jonathananderson4542 YHVH said he would go down and see their cries. Then the men left to go down. In Genesis 19:2 and 19:18 Lot called the two messengers “Adonai.” All three are Adonai which means “My Lords” in Hebrew. Sorry, you need to read the Hebrew.
@@dralgarza God is always referred to as "Adonai" and not "Adoni"... That has nothing to do with there being three men. Abraham uses "Adonai" out of reverence for God. You are reaching with that!
The irony here is that as this man claims that you have a mathematical paradox. The reality is that infinity divided by three = infinity.
Can you break that down for me? What number is infinity?
infinity is not expressed by a numerical value, but picture with me a timeline. This timeline can stretch forward or backward forever. So we can divide the timeline in 2 equal parts using zero as the dividing line but both parts are still infinite.
So we can see that it is possible to divide infinity and we can also see that all equal parts remain infinite.
@@revolverguy I'll give you an "A" for effort.
@@waitstill7091 What kind of answer are you looking for exactly?
@@agis230 The right one.
4Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4
5I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God...
Isaiah 45:5
Great video Dr Brown! You and I differ in a lot of the "non essentials" But I love listening to you and have the utmost respect for you. Take care.
Me too, love Dr. Brown, disagree on many “non essentials”
Dr Brown: I only take what the Text clearly Says... And it Says you have not seen... But it doesn't say God doesn't have an Image...
Me: but the Text clearly Says therefore don't worship any form Male or Female.
So Worshiping any Image and Form, is Idolatry.
Worshiping Jesus is Idolatry.
And that is Clear from Deuteronomy 13 a God you or you forefathers have not known... nobody knew Jesus as God before 30AD, which makes it clearly Idolatry.
Good luck.
Wow!! Nothing you said makes sense. You’ve accomplished to ramble on with empty words and say nothing at the end. That’s something hard to do!
@@AlexartCorp huh than you saw yourself in the Mirror.
@@shhiknopfler3912 no, I kept on reading your words over and over and still nothing lol. What’s sad, pitiful and funny (all at the same time) is that is evident you think you have an argument, when you don’t. I pity you.
BTW Jesus is YHWH of the Tanakh. Talk about again THEY didn’t know him.
@@AlexartCorp well go learn to read.
Dr Brown claims that Jesus is YHVH with a form...
Well that's exactly what the Tanakh warned not to worship.
What exactly of my argument didn't you understand???
Btw I can tell you on anything that it's the YHVH of the Tenakh.. that is exactly the warning of Deuteronomy 13 because nobody knew the YHVH of the Tenakh as Jesus..
So the pity is on ppl who worship Idolatry. And violate God's Commandments.
Lets be frank not even Jesus Mother thought he was the YHVH of the Tenakh
Mark 3
21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”
Nobody thinks of YHVH as going out of his mind. Get real.
@@shhiknopfler3912 You're not alone.
John 17:3(YLT)
_"and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee(the Father), the ONLY TRUE GOD, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ"_
It's amazing how hard they fight to justify their idolatry.
Mr brown is afraid of Tovia Singer you tube channel.
From the AskDrBrown Team: Actually, Rabbi Singer has refused to debate or dialogue with Dr. Brown for the last 30 years. See here for details: th-cam.com/video/U5-TJPz6Y94/w-d-xo.html.
For Dr. Brown's series refuting the misinformation of Rabbi Singer, go here: realmessiah.com/answering-the-rabbis/