The part of the video showing the train leaving the quarry is a good demonstration of Harmonic Rock the often occurs around 15~18mph depending on the length of the car and rails. The cars near the locomotives are stabilized by the strain on the couplers which dampens the rocking of the cars. But as you go back through the train, the strain is less and the rocking is more pronounced. But that last car with no cars behind to help dampen the rocking is left to rock as much as it wants, hence it's wild rocking.
The last car doesn't only spill stones, the wheels are lifting-off from the (shitty) track when rocking. A derailment is a matter of time. Apart from this, the cars aren't loaded equally.
Why do so many trains seem to deliberately travel at the exact speed that harmonic rocking occurs? A 5mph increase or decrease in speed seems to eliminate the rocking, yet you see these trains frequently just loafing along rocking themselves almost off the rails for extended periods.
@@scdevon Assume all trains are the same, a train at line speed will have a certain harmonic and cause damage matching this harmonic. Any further train similar train at line speed also matches the harmonic.
@@scdevon I assume the harmonic rocking causes the track to dip in places which emphasise it even more. Especially when the rolling stock is identical every time.
This constant rocking is hard on equipment too especially the suspension and springs. These cars may have only rocked for a short time, but they rock all day on some other lines.
Awesome job! Thank you for your time and effort chasing the stone train. It’s not often anyone shows a train from start to finish. This has got to be one of the best train uploads on TH-cam!! Thank you!
Love the way it just cuts across the road at Westminster, MD . A few great shots of progress there. So often you don't get a full shot showing how many wagons are on, but you surely delivered. ( also good that we only get the true loco sound and not any stupid music that wouldn't do it justice anyway.😅👍
This is the first time I saw any of your videos and I was amazed at the quality of your photography and all the beautiful scenery absolutely some of the best I've seen, just one video, and I have already subscribed. Thank You
Great catch of the Maryland Midland GEEPS working hard pulling that HEFTY consist of Rock Cars! Have to say they're very lucky that last car didn't go over bcuz that could've been a domino effect for other cars! I like how it ran right through the town of Westminister! I'm a BIG FAN of "STREET RUNNING" as well as of the colors of those GEEPS! Thanks again for sharing your videos with us along with your time and effort CP!
Most all of the cars on this train are improperly loaded as not properly spread in the car. Hopefully they where not going to interchange. Quite a few even appear to be overweight. I see these type on the GNRR on a regular basis hauling marble.
The rear axle, last wheel, got some air, about an inch, with those low joints (cross level defects). GOOD TRACK!! Good for 20mph!! LOL That's like knocking the head off a beer before it is taken to the table, but in this case before it rolls across the country.
Nice catch. I sometimes do some work at the Lehigh Cement plant and catch a couple of engines switching cement covered hoppers around down at the bottom of the hill, but this was nice to see some of the spots I drive by, but never get to catch them at. What you saw where the last car launched some stone was the 14 (and later 28) mph harmonic oscillation that sets up with jointed track and the spring rates of the cars. The fact the track was worse than average, and the cars were loaded I'd suspect well above their max fill level which further raises the center of gravity exacerbating the oscillation problem, you almost caught a wreck on film. If they had started their acceleration out of the quarry 2 engine lengths sooner, they'd have likely been on the ground.
@Ronald Lee Kuehne You know they changed the line into the plant now? It no longer runs through town, it goes out on the opposite side of the plant, up and over a huge hill down to the main on a new wye that was put in at a farm. I think that's why they have so much more power on the line, to make those moves possible.
Yeah, the driver could of crawled out of the quarry, he had to know about that poor track going in to pick up the train, so he should have made allowances for it, a couple of extra minutes at a slower speed may save a future derailment there.
The rock was caused by the crappy track work right before the crossing, you can see there’s a few low joints in a row, with the way they are spaced (every 19.5 ft with 39 ft rail) 13 mph will cause what’s called harmonic rock, the cars aren’t overloaded just cause they are loaded over the top, as long as they aren’t over weight. The low joints right before the crossing caused the cars to harmonic rock across it, spilling the rock, not the fact they were loaded over the top. The shortline I work for we have ballast cars loaded up like that, never had spillage issues unless it was across really bad rail
Nice K3LA horn! Sounds exactly like Winchester Western's 576. I'm surprised that the crossing where the stone spilled didn't have the crossing bells working.
Favorite crossing has to be Westminster, Maryland. What a unique crossing! The White and the brick building seems inches away from the train 🚆. It would be a great layout on a small model railroad layout, IMHO
im of the opinion any run thru residential commercial would also include weight limits that keep the load well off every car i see here loaded is easily off a mark perscribed, some look like they are 10,000lbs in difference by the attempts to pile it on....gotta wonder what the feed operators were on
The wheels of the last wagon never left the rails .it would have to tilt a lot farther than that before contact was lost and the rear wagons are loaded with quarry dust not stone
Look again at full speed. The wheels of the second truck of the last car did lift off the near rail about an inch for a fraction of a second, showing daylight between the wheel and rail.
Why do they blow the horn so many times? Those tracks at the first intersection need repair plus loading the cars so high the center of gravity becomes higher and more likely to derail and cause a turn over. Those hopper cars look like they have never seen any maintenance in 20 years.
That’s what’s known as careless overloading. The quarry can be slammed with a massive fine and the railroad can get slapped by a huge fine for not stopping the overload and and potentially causing a derailment due to continuing the trip with a severely overloaded train. In all of my years driving I have never seen a fellow engineer to have zero respect for his/her job.
That was one of those self-leveling/load limiting cars. They rock back and forth like that to either level the load or to kick off extra weight. They were really popular back in.......NEVER!!!
That train is awfully loud -- I mean, the screeching cars are louder than the diesel locomotive! Was that normal? Did the screeching come from the bearings, or were the flangs constantly hitting the rails? The way I've understood it, the flangs are only supposed to hit the rails at tighter "corners". Also, do trains over there constantly blare the horn? I live some 200 meters from tracks in Finland, and pretty much the only thing I hear is the diesel engine a couple of times per day. A train horn is heard maybe once a month. I think they only use it if there's someone or something on the tracks. Though, to be fair, the trains around here rarely carry stone, so I don't know how they would sound like under a really heavy load like that.
Rockin' and Rollin' RR style. I like it and hey, spreadin' a little grit on an icy road ain't all bad. Hey, is the rockin' and rollin' due to the road bed or the hopper suspension or both? What say you? It does appear that that last hopper was a bit too overloaded.
I wonder who loads their stone cars for them? It seems that a few choice words from their boss should get them to load the stone on the cars a little more safely. Oh well, maybe the management at the stone quarry doesn't care.
OMG, 😯😲😱😵that engineer needs to slow his ass down jus a bit, with those tracks a bit off level and off set overloaded cars, thats a receipe for disaster, my goodness, that was some scary shitt😱😵!!!! And of all places right at a crossing, that's jus bad, bad, BAD!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY YOU DONT STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROSSING, IVE SEEN TRAINS BOUNCE UP AND DOWN ON THE CROSSNS AS WELL, PRETTY SCARY STUFF I TELL YOU😭😭 THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME, great job.👍
If you have a roofing shingle manufacturer nearby, the grit used on the shingles comes in all sorts of shades. I used some for ballast in a yard and along the line. Scenery next.
At 5:35 another foamer is standing in a switch. Very easy mistake to make that can get you killed messing around on railroad property. Stuff like that is why the railroads dislike buffs.
After awhile you just don’t pay attention to them. Coal trains run by here twice a day. Never pay attention to them. You do hear them your brain just edits them into the background.
The part of the video showing the train leaving the quarry is a good demonstration of Harmonic Rock the often occurs around 15~18mph depending on the length of the car and rails. The cars near the locomotives are stabilized by the strain on the couplers which dampens the rocking of the cars. But as you go back through the train, the strain is less and the rocking is more pronounced. But that last car with no cars behind to help dampen the rocking is left to rock as much as it wants, hence it's wild rocking.
The last car doesn't only spill stones, the wheels are lifting-off from the (shitty) track when rocking. A derailment is a matter of time. Apart from this, the cars aren't loaded equally.
Yard track is usually bad, I wish rail companies changed that -_-
Why do so many trains seem to deliberately travel at the exact speed that harmonic rocking occurs? A 5mph increase or decrease in speed seems to eliminate the rocking, yet you see these trains frequently just loafing along rocking themselves almost off the rails for extended periods.
@@scdevon Assume all trains are the same, a train at line speed will have a certain harmonic and cause damage matching this harmonic. Any further train similar train at line speed also matches the harmonic.
@Dan C. Harmonic rocking causes derailments and rollovers in some cases. It's not as if you don't need to worry about it.
@@scdevon I assume the harmonic rocking causes the track to dip in places which emphasise it even more. Especially when the rolling stock is identical every time.
In some countries "lifting a wheels flange above the height of the top of the rail" is part of the definition of a derailment.
This constant rocking is hard on equipment too especially the suspension and springs. These cars may have only rocked for a short time, but they rock all day on some other lines.
Alaska Railroad would never let us fill our cars that full.
Awesome job! Thank you for your time and effort chasing the stone train. It’s not often anyone shows a train from start to finish. This has got to be one of the best train uploads on TH-cam!! Thank you!
Stone train become a pain in the ass to chase after the sun sets
Love the way it just cuts across the road at Westminster, MD . A few great shots of progress there. So often you don't get a full shot showing how many wagons are on, but you surely delivered. ( also good that we only get the true loco sound and not any stupid music that wouldn't do it justice anyway.😅👍
It was a happy train. I saw it wagging it's tail. Shipper overloads every car to offset transportation costs.
Legend has it that last car is still dumping stones to this day.
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Great catch of the Maryland Midland GEEPS working hard pulling that HEFTY consist of Rock Cars! Have to say they're very lucky that last car didn't go over bcuz that could've been a domino effect for other cars! I like how it ran right through the town of Westminister! I'm a BIG FAN of "STREET RUNNING" as well as of the colors of those GEEPS! Thanks again for sharing your videos with us along with your time and effort CP!
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The clumsy one after the bar:
Most all of the cars on this train are improperly loaded as not properly spread in the car. Hopefully they where not going to interchange. Quite a few even appear to be overweight. I see these type on the GNRR on a regular basis hauling marble.
The rear axle, last wheel, got some air, about an inch, with those low joints (cross level defects). GOOD TRACK!! Good for 20mph!! LOL That's like knocking the head off a beer before it is taken to the table, but in this case before it rolls across the country.
This is an industrial lead. For many industries....this is FANTASTIC track.
Absolute great work...True rail therapy
The orange plague. Love the 45’s though. Classic look.
Those close quarters and tight clearances in town just make the place seem inviting to me.
Nice catch. I sometimes do some work at the Lehigh Cement plant and catch a couple of engines switching cement covered hoppers around down at the bottom of the hill, but this was nice to see some of the spots I drive by, but never get to catch them at.
What you saw where the last car launched some stone was the 14 (and later 28) mph harmonic oscillation that sets up with jointed track and the spring rates of the cars. The fact the track was worse than average, and the cars were loaded I'd suspect well above their max fill level which further raises the center of gravity exacerbating the oscillation problem, you almost caught a wreck on film. If they had started their acceleration out of the quarry 2 engine lengths sooner, they'd have likely been on the ground.
@Ronald Lee Kuehne You know they changed the line into the plant now? It no longer runs through town, it goes out on the opposite side of the plant, up and over a huge hill down to the main on a new wye that was put in at a farm. I think that's why they have so much more power on the line, to make those moves possible.
Nice to see a couple of clean de-powered ‘45s. Too aggressive speed leaving the quarry and overloaded cars to boot. Great video!
I like these locomotives too
Yeah, the driver could of crawled out of the quarry, he had to know about that poor track going in to pick up the train, so he should have made allowances for it, a couple of extra minutes at a slower speed may save a future derailment there.
The entire train was rockin ,talk about being over loaded wow !
The rock was caused by the crappy track work right before the crossing, you can see there’s a few low joints in a row, with the way they are spaced (every 19.5 ft with 39 ft rail) 13 mph will cause what’s called harmonic rock, the cars aren’t overloaded just cause they are loaded over the top, as long as they aren’t over weight. The low joints right before the crossing caused the cars to harmonic rock across it, spilling the rock, not the fact they were loaded over the top.
The shortline I work for we have ballast cars loaded up like that, never had spillage issues unless it was across really bad rail
I was on the wrong side 😣 great editing job! ✔
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Great to see some Carroll County railroading. Thanks for posting !
This was a great video!
Carroll county best county
Very cool. Thanx for sharing!
Spill is at 3:00
I like the red brick building. Ancient architecture is soooo neat.
It’s not ancient. “Ancient” means “extremely old”, which no building in USA is.
best video I've seen in a long time! thank-you
Nice K3LA horn! Sounds exactly like Winchester Western's 576. I'm surprised that the crossing where the stone spilled didn't have the crossing bells working.
Wow, that was cool!
Agreed
Cool? Or coal? ;-)
Favorite crossing has to be Westminster, Maryland. What a unique crossing! The White and the brick building seems inches away from the train 🚆. It would be a great layout on a small model railroad layout, IMHO
Back in the western Maryland days Westminster was a big siding
Fun video to watch, thanks. Subscribed.
Classic example of harmonic rolling.
If there was a longer car at the end, do you think the effects would be mostly cancelled out?
@@spaceage1060 Not if it was loaded as badly as the rest of the cars in the train.
In Michael Angelis' voice: "Then there was trouble! The old truck wobbled and stone spilt everywhere!"
Hi Toby, where's your partner DIESEL, LOL👍
@@sd90mac61 Being bothered by the "troublesome trucks"!! LOL
I don't think it would have derailed but it sure was rocking.
The loader operator is at fault for overloading those cars
That, and the crew who needs to come by and fix the ballist!
im of the opinion any run thru residential commercial would also include weight limits that keep the load well off every car i see here loaded is easily off a mark perscribed, some look like they are 10,000lbs in difference by the attempts to pile it on....gotta wonder what the feed operators were on
Great video!!! Loved it, thanks for sharing
Great footage, really enjoyed watching - I Liked & Subscribed 👍😎
Those cars were getting half an inch of air there at 2:55. Kinda dangerous
OMG Did I see what I think I just saw ! ! ! I dont know if i'm going to be able to sleep at night anymore
Awesome sound and interesting service!
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Thanks 🙏 for your video
Welcome to the 4K gang!👌🏼
STFU nerd
@@kishascape STFU girl
Oh my! That was so exciting.
The wheels of the last wagon never left the rails .it would have to tilt a lot farther than that before contact was lost and the rear wagons are loaded with quarry dust not stone
Look again at full speed. The wheels of the second truck of the last car did lift off the near rail about an inch for a fraction of a second, showing daylight between the wheel and rail.
Why do they blow the horn so many times?
Those tracks at the first intersection need repair plus loading the cars so high the center of gravity becomes higher and more likely to derail and cause a turn over. Those hopper cars look like they have never seen any maintenance in 20 years.
One of the locomotives looks like a former SP locomotive
I know exactly where that keymar bridge is, I had no idea it was operational.
This was really fun to watch a 3x!
I never realized how much travel a train car truck suspension actually has. They usually seem very stiff.
I am new to the channel. Great stuff!
Good job and good shots
In the Netherlands it is not even allowed to load a wagon so full.
Awesome video
Damn.. Those things are filled up too high.
I'd love to live in some of these places that are on the tracks. They are distributing the coal for Christmas stockings.
That’s what’s known as careless overloading. The quarry can be slammed with a massive fine and the railroad can get slapped by a huge fine for not stopping the overload and and potentially causing a derailment due to continuing the trip with a severely overloaded train. In all of my years driving I have never seen a fellow engineer to have zero respect for his/her job.
thank you for detail video
Very good video!
Gravel train is rockin’ it to an old track.
That was one of those self-leveling/load limiting cars. They rock back and forth like that to either level the load or to kick off extra weight. They were really popular back in.......NEVER!!!
cool video and scenery ...
You get a little good-bye toot. Nice!
That train is awfully loud -- I mean, the screeching cars are louder than the diesel locomotive! Was that normal? Did the screeching come from the bearings, or were the flangs constantly hitting the rails? The way I've understood it, the flangs are only supposed to hit the rails at tighter "corners". Also, do trains over there constantly blare the horn? I live some 200 meters from tracks in Finland, and pretty much the only thing I hear is the diesel engine a couple of times per day. A train horn is heard maybe once a month. I think they only use it if there's someone or something on the tracks. Though, to be fair, the trains around here rarely carry stone, so I don't know how they would sound like under a really heavy load like that.
Trains are loud in maryland
Looks like some of the rock could have spilled into the flangeway of the crossing.
most flangeways in these operations are always full of rock
Rockin' and Rollin' RR style. I like it and hey, spreadin' a little grit on an icy road ain't all bad. Hey, is the rockin' and rollin' due to the road bed or the hopper suspension or both? What say you? It does appear that that last hopper was a bit too overloaded.
Nice chase but Genesee & Wyoming gets unfriendly pretty quick if people are filming while standing in the gauge, even if its a yard track.
Yeah but Maryland Midland employees are cool
The loader operator needs to learn how to balance a load
I don’t think it’s as much as the load and more just the speed on that type of tracks
@@fastcsx1412 Someone needs to fix the ballast!
Man, they sure do load those cars.
I wonder who loads their stone cars for them? It seems that a few choice words from their boss should get them to load the stone on the cars a little more safely. Oh well, maybe the management at the stone quarry doesn't care.
if you look closely, the last wheel of the last car, grabs a little air at the joint
Them SD40M-2 were painted in Lyons, Georgia on the Georgia Central.
So the SD45's were downgraded to SD40? I guess that makes sense, they didn't need that kind of power on those rough tracks.
@@norbertdx yeah class 3 short lines normally don’t and considering the last track replacement was in 1999
OMG, 😯😲😱😵that engineer needs to slow his ass down jus a bit, with those tracks a bit off level and off set overloaded cars, thats a receipe for disaster, my goodness, that was some scary shitt😱😵!!!! And of all places right at a crossing, that's jus bad, bad, BAD!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY YOU DONT STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROSSING, IVE SEEN TRAINS BOUNCE UP AND DOWN ON THE CROSSNS AS WELL, PRETTY SCARY STUFF I TELL YOU😭😭 THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME, great job.👍
I am getting sea sick watching this train!
It was just pouring one out for the homies
Spilled stone = free ballast
A little over filled in the back half of the car.
GP38's I have been to the Union Bridge yard
Did you notice he wasn't waving as he went by the first time?
That train was geting its rocks off
Little more sway in them springs
Signals at New Windsor must've seen better days.
oh yes
Harmonic Rockin!
Last car over-filled on the end, person doing the loading not capable of doing their job, or (most likely) doesn't care...
Very odd! I've never seen an SD40-2 in that configuration. Normally, SD40-2s have large decks at each end. Not so with 3451.
These are former SD45 rebuilds, as evidenced by the flared radiators.
@@trainzguy2472 Makes sense. I was thinking they look more like SD 45s.
These cars look very old and tired; that surprises me as I thought trains were well kept.
New cars are more expensive, that is why the MMID bought secondhand CSX cars.
@@iandenton1406, I didn't understand that sentence but ok.
Nice
What is the location at 7:22 ? That would be a cool scene for a model diorama.
Westminster Md. Liberty street or Ridge Rd and main Street. Looking across from parking lot at Sherwood square
@@8QUAU Thanks!
How did that rock car spilled it’s stone
Free Model railroad scenery material!
If you have a roofing shingle manufacturer nearby, the grit used on the shingles comes in all sorts of shades. I used some for ballast in a yard and along the line. Scenery next.
this horn looks like mrs, all, brado, vli, vll brazilian railway company
Was that my wife driving......damn.....she just said she was going out for groceries.........
At 5:35 another foamer is standing in a switch. Very easy mistake to make that can get you killed messing around on railroad property. Stuff like that is why the railroads dislike buffs.
I would say a little fast for that much weight on jointed rail
Are you stalking that last car, sure seems to be.
It’s like a whip😂😵
Awesome Video
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MOW problem at the yard.
So dull waiting for a derail ?
The last car had a little to much drinks
Need to reset the ties
Frn. Green T-shirt. Standing in between rails on yard lead. Safety First!!-! Please don't,t spoil it for the rest of us.
with permission. we knew which way the train was going.
They need a slow order on that section of track until it can be repaired.
It's on now 🤣
ok
How do people sleep at night when them horns blast like that.
After awhile you just don’t pay attention to them. Coal trains run by here twice a day. Never pay attention to them. You do hear them your brain just edits them into the background.
We sleep with a smile on our face