Had a chance to play 3 games post ban. Games are undeniably slower. Not only the busted starting hands are not there anymore but also I look at my tutors and I'm not sure what to tutor for. All that being said, I think this is a good reset and we're all relearning. Personally and particularly I don't enjoy long games (1h +), but they are still fun for the most part
This is the first post ban video to hit my algorithm so thanks for posting - and keeping a post ban Etali, really didn't think that was possible - can't wait to watch
Alan you were one of the first people I thought of when the bans were announced. I know how much you love big Dino so I’m hoping you can make it work bro, I love seeing that deck in action
at 5:42, could have changed veggie's pact to his own top. Then waffle's pact would have still fizzled, and veggie would have had to pay pact in his next upkeep :D I've done that with a breach once. was glorious.
@@MentalMisplay mine is same as it ever was, we running Winota stax out here just with a whole boat load of new burn effects to get over mid range hell 🔥😈
on one hand i am sad for the cards we lost, but my god if we get to see new brews and maybe even some old ones like here pop up again i would be extatic. hey alan between selesnya stax players, maybe this is our chance. maybe it is time!
Love the positive vibes. Glad the bans happen for both casual and competitive. Casual gets rid of the feels bad and competitive gets a shakeup. Can't wait to see how this goes down for the future.
My deck of choice in cedh is Liberator, Urza's battlethopter. It was kinda hurt by the liss of crypt and lotus, but my deck plays roughly 70 artifacts and docksde was a constant threat against every red deck that is now not a threat.
The problem with this test is that your commanders are all fairly middling to late game in their speed. The game itself is not indicative of what a game vs RogSi or Kinnan would probably look like, so is it fair to think this is not an accurate example of what most cEDH games will look like going forward?
@@Rannulfus unclear. I don't play a lot of tournament cEDH. I play it for entertainment. So we are still banging cEDH decks into each other and they are doing great. We will see what happens when playing against "top tier" decks. 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻 It's an accurate reading of CEDH, but my stream and channels has never been an accurate representation of tournament EDH or "tEDH" We have always optimized for entertainment.
My primary deck is Toxrill. It got hurt a bit given how expensive she is, and losing jlo, crypt, and even dockside (for clones) hurts, but its also a deck that wants to slow the game down and does well later game, so pretty fine overall I'd say. Mostly disappointed about bans bc deck variety (specifically more expensive commanders or dockside loop decks) might be lower, but maybe some new decks will come into the meta!
Elsha doesn't suffer *NEARLY* as bad as Etali. 5cmc commanders are probably fine, especially if they are in blue. Counterspells and control keeps them safe without needing ramp. But yeah, Etali's old shell is 100% dead. Edit: wow, 5 whole minutes and Elsha proved my point. She is one of the first 5 commanders that I started working on a list for literally on the day of the ban. The others were Tayam, Breya, TnT, and Rog/Si because *NONE* of them were impacted by the changes.
I personally am not a big fan of these bans but since they are here regardless I am thrilled to see ho the format will change and if new decks will rise up. Especially that we will see a decent amount of enchantments return to cedh.
I haven't played in a couple months and the bans have definitely not encouraged my return. But im keeping an eye on how the meta shakes up. I do feel like Etali was hit potentially the hardest of all by the bans. Dino needs mana. And without Dockside in the game, clones will be phased out quite a bit which also hurts the big chain potential. We will all see how WOTC handles things in the future, but regardless your content is always bangin' and I'll be watching your videos when they show up. :)
Fun game. I think the Ban was a good one. People where letting those explosive cards bleed into the casual format at lgs's and made things wierd. What would you think of a commander/standard match up where you played commander with just new stuff? Do you think it would ve fun? Also how cranked up do you think decks could be?
I'm mixed on the bans (mostly cause of my sad Etali deck) but I agree about those cards leaking into and skewing casual games. I think EDH decks with all new cards are strong. It's HARD To avoid that.
@@jeffreysmall1087I absolutely play casual. Casual big Etali could be interesting. I would probably put it in the 99 and try and build a polymorph deck with it. Here's some of me playing casual tho! th-cam.com/video/_Wsd8T3GmVE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k1nJGuObJaPm-8hG
Dockside being gone opens the meta up but I still see no point in mana crypt and Jeweled lotus being banned as it’s just made it harder to play the larger commanders
Agree. And decks that relied on red and it’s explosiveness will likely see similar struggles. My three pet red decks - Etali, Riyona , and Dargo/Jeska - are nearly unplayable. They were already fringe, but they had a chance to - now I don’t think they can even be considered fringe. I think they are nearly (not 100% convinced yet) unplayable. Riyona may be playable…but barely.
That was a great game. I think this is a good video to show us we’re gonna be fine post ban. Thanks!!!
THATS WHAT IM SAYINN N
Had a chance to play 3 games post ban. Games are undeniably slower. Not only the busted starting hands are not there anymore but also I look at my tutors and I'm not sure what to tutor for. All that being said, I think this is a good reset and we're all relearning.
Personally and particularly I don't enjoy long games (1h +), but they are still fun for the most part
From my experience, I noticed cEDH games went from turn 2-3 format to turn 3-4 format, it is slower but not by all that much really
the 5 mana turn 2 chain was gorgeous!
It's refreshing to see dramatic reversal isochron scepter combo coming in for the win.
This is the first post ban video to hit my algorithm so thanks for posting - and keeping a post ban Etali, really didn't think that was possible - can't wait to watch
I'm trying 😂. It might not be possible 😅😅😅
sick win line with the blind obedience. amazing game!
That shorikai build is very very similar to mine. Sweet
Bummed about the Crypt/Lotus ban, but excited to see how the format shakes out afterward!
format is CHILLIN i think the shakeup is GREAT
Love the bans! I was rocking Rog/Reyhan before and now I'm on Zur again. Getting Rhystic, Stealing Rhystic, Copying Rhystic - we are so back
As soon as I read about the bans my first thought was about etali. Oh lord i was scarred for you Alan, I love the dino.
I'm definitely struggling right now. Your sympathies at this time are very appreciated. 😭🤣😅
@@MentalMisplay I believe in you
That was quick! Cool to see the new meta!
I'm so excited to see what happens.
5 mana turn 2?
5 mana turn 2?
5 mana turn 2?
Carpet of Flowers 😂
UUGHHHHHHH It felt so bad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Alan you were one of the first people I thought of when the bans were announced. I know how much you love big Dino so I’m hoping you can make it work bro, I love seeing that deck in action
Fun game and awesome attitudes as always. Alan and veggie never stop having a good time and i really appreciate that.
You HAVE to. It's too easy to fall into shittyness
at 5:42, could have changed veggie's pact to his own top. Then waffle's pact would have still fizzled, and veggie would have had to pay pact in his next upkeep :D
I've done that with a breach once. was glorious.
@@nazgir5343 that stack was severely edited. We went thru all sorts of iterations 😅😅😅😅
@@MentalMisplay ah. I can imagine something like that getting messy :D And then it's something that's very easy to miss that you can do that.
That’s actually what ended up happening!
Shining example that you don't need those four banned cards to have a good fun game.
It's always nice seeing Veggie play more serious decks
Veggie shares the "funnyman play good" trait
@MentalMisplay Best way to play the game to be honest.
I left the game, sold my 29 year collection, and paid off my house. My spouse is very happy with the RC.
good thing you didn't overreact, whew. all jokes aside I'm happy you got to pay off your house
Let’s get spooopy with these new lists post ban update!
Right? I'm waiting to see that meta melting fiiiirreee
@@MentalMisplay mine is same as it ever was, we running Winota stax out here just with a whole boat load of new burn effects to get over mid range hell 🔥😈
Freedom is so good and magic!
Yes!! My boy zur is back and more myr then ever lol
Do you guys post decklists? I was looking to tune my shorikai list
TH-cam won’t let me post links, but you can look up “CEDH Shorikai Kitten Car” and it’ll come up!
No list for etali?
I took it apart thinking it wouldnt be playable
Got the Zur deck list somewhere?
We'll be great if we keep having fun!
on one hand i am sad for the cards we lost, but my god if we get to see new brews and maybe even some old ones like here pop up again i would be extatic.
hey alan between selesnya stax players, maybe this is our chance. maybe it is time!
Lists?
I wanna see tayam perform after the bans.. I think it will favor the stax decks and more slow/control gameplay
Great video! let the dino retire xD
Shorikai represent 💯
I'd like to see your new etali deck list. I started building it before bans but I'd like to see your spin
🔥🔥🔥
Riiiiiigghtt??.
Can i see the Dino go beep new list?
Love the positive vibes. Glad the bans happen for both casual and competitive. Casual gets rid of the feels bad and competitive gets a shakeup. Can't wait to see how this goes down for the future.
@@zandaman802 I'm seriously so excited for it.
Damn that shorikai list is tough, is there a decklist?
Shit is a banger for SURE. www.moxfield.com/decks/5twEasTrcE2s5DFioR3mAQ
I'd love to see what you're cooking with Etali right now. I got a buddy who's a diehard Dino fan and he's down on the deck right now.
My deck of choice in cedh is Liberator, Urza's battlethopter. It was kinda hurt by the liss of crypt and lotus, but my deck plays roughly 70 artifacts and docksde was a constant threat against every red deck that is now not a threat.
The hair is looking good!
Wher new Dino list :'(
Love the game, love the energy!
The problem with this test is that your commanders are all fairly middling to late game in their speed. The game itself is not indicative of what a game vs RogSi or Kinnan would probably look like, so is it fair to think this is not an accurate example of what most cEDH games will look like going forward?
@@Rannulfus unclear. I don't play a lot of tournament cEDH. I play it for entertainment. So we are still banging cEDH decks into each other and they are doing great. We will see what happens when playing against "top tier" decks. 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
It's an accurate reading of CEDH, but my stream and channels has never been an accurate representation of tournament EDH or "tEDH"
We have always optimized for entertainment.
What format is this? Casual commander?
New bans forced me take off worldfire from my Etali deck :((
My primary deck is Toxrill. It got hurt a bit given how expensive she is, and losing jlo, crypt, and even dockside (for clones) hurts, but its also a deck that wants to slow the game down and does well later game, so pretty fine overall I'd say. Mostly disappointed about bans bc deck variety (specifically more expensive commanders or dockside loop decks) might be lower, but maybe some new decks will come into the meta!
Elsha doesn't suffer *NEARLY* as bad as Etali.
5cmc commanders are probably fine, especially if they are in blue. Counterspells and control keeps them safe without needing ramp.
But yeah, Etali's old shell is 100% dead.
Edit: wow, 5 whole minutes and Elsha proved my point. She is one of the first 5 commanders that I started working on a list for literally on the day of the ban. The others were Tayam, Breya, TnT, and Rog/Si because *NONE* of them were impacted by the changes.
I personally am not a big fan of these bans but since they are here regardless I am thrilled to see ho the format will change and if new decks will rise up. Especially that we will see a decent amount of enchantments return to cedh.
I haven't played in a couple months and the bans have definitely not encouraged my return. But im keeping an eye on how the meta shakes up.
I do feel like Etali was hit potentially the hardest of all by the bans. Dino needs mana. And without Dockside in the game, clones will be phased out quite a bit which also hurts the big chain potential.
We will all see how WOTC handles things in the future, but regardless your content is always bangin' and I'll be watching your videos when they show up. :)
Fun game. I think the Ban was a good one. People where letting those explosive cards bleed into the casual format at lgs's and made things wierd.
What would you think of a commander/standard match up where you played commander with just new stuff? Do you think it would ve fun? Also how cranked up do you think decks could be?
I'm mixed on the bans (mostly cause of my sad Etali deck) but I agree about those cards leaking into and skewing casual games.
I think EDH decks with all new cards are strong. It's HARD To avoid that.
@@MentalMisplay would you ever try building an edh deck. And trying a pod of edh decks built with the standard formats card pool?
@@jeffreysmall1087I absolutely play casual. Casual big Etali could be interesting. I would probably put it in the 99 and try and build a polymorph deck with it. Here's some of me playing casual tho! th-cam.com/video/_Wsd8T3GmVE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k1nJGuObJaPm-8hG
Dockside being gone opens the meta up but I still see no point in mana crypt and Jeweled lotus being banned as it’s just made it harder to play the larger commanders
Where are the deck lists
Sweet game!
Weirdly enough I didn’t really care about cEDH in a Dockside / Crypt world but the format looks fun now.
5 mana on turn 2? In this economy? 😅
Sorry Dude but without mana crypt and jeweled lotus Etali is really bad
Agree. And decks that relied on red and it’s explosiveness will likely see similar struggles. My three pet red decks - Etali, Riyona , and Dargo/Jeska - are nearly unplayable. They were already fringe, but they had a chance to - now I don’t think they can even be considered fringe. I think they are nearly (not 100% convinced yet) unplayable. Riyona may be playable…but barely.
And Dockside too obv
Yea, I'm STRUGGLING
Unfortunately, Wizards has moved in and took over. The complaining and threats were enough.
Look at all these decks that are now more balanced for casual play! I bet they will all celebrate when somebody slams these at FNM
Huh?
@@MentalMisplay I need to touch grass, don’t worry about it lol
@@Davedave3303 I try and get to a beach and touch water. I'm on new England tho so Idk what I'm gonna do all winter 😭😭😭
Don’t be mad at the RC?
@@uscgckatwalker yea.
You can be mad, just channel that into something productive and don’t @ them on twitter or do anything else that just nets you an eyeroll and a ban.
@@mkill572 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻