If you honestly think one single vehicle consisting of two officers stopping a car at the roadside for 5-10 minutes is the reason there's not enough officers... then I honestly don't know what to tell you. The real reason is because police are dealing with calls that frankly they should not be dealing with. Why is a mental health call a police officer's job? Why is someone threatening suicide the job of the police to attend? Why is someone actively self harming inside their flat, or house, a police call? Why is a civil dispute between two neighbours over 1 foot of land a police call? Why is a 15 year old who has gone missing for the 10th time in a week, a police job? Who else is going to be forced to deploy to those calls? That's right, only the police, the buck stops with them. I know of an incident some years back where a serial complainer called the police to report her neighbour.... (she was calling numerous times each day, every day).... when she was told police had been twice already that day to her, and they would not be deployed again, she then said "Fine, i'm going to kill myself"... cue a police vehicle driving on blues and siren to her address ready to kick her door down and potentially have to save her life. Again, is this a police call? Having been sat with mental health patients many times in hospital, for hours and hours on end, the real reason isn't because a unit is stopping a car for 5-10 minutes somewhere... it's because every job nowadays is apparently the responsibility of the police. Go back 30 years, I guarantee you wouldn't see 8 police officers sat in hospital with detainees claiming to have swallowed drugs, or feeling unwell, or having hit their head on arrest or having smacked their head on the cage in the van...guarantee 30 years ago there were far less people placed under mental health act sections, far less people going missing. People seem to forget that the majority of police time is actually spent with prisoners at hospital or on a constant supervision in a cell - because the person has stated that if they are left alone in a cell they will try to hang themselves, or slit their wrists, or smack their head repeatedly.... that doesn't even factor things like crime scenes and victim continuities. It's mostly a generational thing, kids nowadays wander off to the other side of the country with their phone in hand, to meet someone they met on TikTok... they become a "high risk missing person" because they are believed to be being sexually exploited and now the police have to throw a LOT of resources at it (often including a helicopter) to attempt to locate them. Do you think that stuff went on anywhere near as regularly as it did 30 years ago? That's the main problem. Many people are comparing the police from 20-30 years ago to today.... nowadays very few incidents we actually deal with are actually police matters or involve some form of crime.
@thefiestaguy8831 exactly. What you report from your experience I can confirm in my last 2 careers also( A&E, road traffic) . People can not use their own brains anymore. It all started with television screens and no mobile screens.
I’m glad this was caught on camera… Absolutely pathetic, they thought she was too young to drive then once they found out she was the legal age to drive proceeded to try and get her on something else, insurance, MOT, etc.
Sounds like a new police officer is being tutor'd. In fairness, they're not trying to "get her" on anything - if a vehicle is stopped it is also the responsibility of the police to check / ensure that the documents are in order and that those driving have a license and are also insured on the vehicle.
They weren't trying to get her over anything. They stopped the car because it seems they thought the instructor was possibly too young to be supervising. In fairness i've driven past some people driving cars before who looked about 12... but are clearly old enough to drive by themselves. It also isn't a typical learner car with a headboard, it's just a normal car with an L plate displayed. Many criminals nowadays drive around in a small car displaying L plates because they know they are unlikely to be stopped by doing so. When stopped, they are supposed to check MOT, insurance and driving license details, additionally they will check if the person is currently wanted... it might surprise you to know that colleagues of mine have caught people wanted for Robbery, Burglary, Kidnap and Rape as a result of a simple road traffic stop. I dealt with one case some years back whereby at a routine stop near a port in the South of England, a suspect I had circulated was caught.... he was wanted for GBH - hardly a "minor offence". If the officers don't do the checks, and the person is unlicensed, uninsured, etc, then they are liable if there is a collision further up the road. Again, no doubt you are unaware that officers can quite easily be sacked when they don't do their job correctly - yet when they do their job thoroughly, the public complain. I was once investigated for 18 months because somebody else decided to take their own life.... they gave me no indication of this and just simply decided to commit suicide. 18 months of investigation and I nearly lost my job over it. Does that sound like a typical job to you... or fair? Almost losing your job because somebody else decides to do something. I have zero criticism nowadays for officers who are thorough, it only takes one job to not be done properly, and for something to go wrong - and there goes the officer's job.
@@alvina69 Easy to say when you've got a full video to look at. You've got to remember they likely only caught a passing glimpse. You also forget that appearance is interpretable differently, someone could look at someone and say they were 40, someone else might say they were 30... I work with people who look easily mid to late 20's but are actually early 20's. Some people can guess my age to within a few years, others say I look 10-15 years younger than I am.
@@NickF14 then why werent they pulling over someone who was actually breaking the law or someone that they had reasonable grounds to believe they had broken the law. This was total abuse of power.
4:40 "HAVE EITHER OF YOU BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH THE POLICE" ???, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK THAT, ON A ROUTINE TRAFFIC SPOT CHECK, ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE, SHOCKING BEHAVIOUR
Goody, goody, goody. No officer, pathetic, pathetic and even more bloody pathetic. "Have either of you ever been in trouble with the police"? No wonder they're so hated. Totally embarrassing for them.
How unsafe was that? They have the big vehicle with flashy lights, and they pull in front of you, leaving you exposed to that traffic. That's so unsafe and very dangerous.
As an ex-roadside assistant ( breakdown recovery ) you are absolutely correct! They couldn’t have picked a safer place to pull you but if they had to pull them there they should have stayed behind them and shielded them with the van Absolutely shocking and some of the questions that were asked 🤦
This was ridiculous. Pulling a learner over could have absolutely destroyed her confidence and put her off ever going near a vehicle again I don’t think, as a tutor, I’d have been anywhere near as calm as she is
Weird comment to make. Has it never occurred to you that drug dealers and gang nominals have been known to drive around in a small car with L plates displayed? By your logic they should never stop a car displaying an L plate... won't be long before anyone involved in crime sticks an L plate on the car and drives everywhere with at least 2 people in the vehicle.
@@thefiestaguy8831 I think it's weird for you to think that having an l plate Gives an officer reasonable grounds to pull someone over. It's not even like she matched the description of anyone.
@@sm0g-810 You didn't read any of the previous comments did you. "Reasonable grounds to pull someone over".... what on earth makes you think they need "reasonable grounds" to pull someone over? The legislation literally does not state anything about grounds or reasoning. Any vehicle can be stopped without reason. The requirements are that it is a mechanically propelled vehicle being driven on a public road and that the officer is in uniform.
In my experience riot vans don’t usually make a habit of pulling learner drivers over because they "look young". The checks they did to try and cover their asses were BS, they should have just admitted up front they made a mistake.
The stop was obviously a training exercise for one of the officers. 1. They should not have conducted this on a student clearly learning to drive. It shows poor EQ. 2. Noting they have pulled over a student, they should have directed them to pull over to a safer location (The car park ahead would have been an obvious option) 3. They should have been clearer about why they have pulled them over (and stated this was to train the female officer, the statement about thinking to tutor was “young” was bullshit)
Ever wondered why the real crime clear up rate is less than 5% ? With number plate recognition the status of the cars, Tax, MOT and Insurance is almost instantly available. Presumably the Police Van is not so equiped. Nothing more than a fishing trip. "Have you ever been in trouble ?"........."Yes Officer, I have a dead body in the boot, a handgun in the glovebox and 3 kilos of cocaine under the drivers seat"......."You had better call your Supervisor" 😂😂😂
You're using a flawed logic. Are you aware of just how few vehicles are fitted with ANPR technology? A small percentage. Police carriers like the one in this video are not fitted with it, because they are generally used in public disorder situations. Most general policing cars don't even have dashcams, let alone ANPR. Only pursuit vehicles and those that belong to traffic have ANPR typically. I've seen plenty of firearms vehicles (who can all pursue vehicles) that don't have ANPR either. Also ANPR ONLY tells you about the vehicle. It does not tell you who is driving it, whether the driver is drunk, uninsured, unlicensed, or has just stolen the car and the owner has not realised it yet. I once went to a vehicle theft, whereby the stolen vehicle had taken a pursuit, crashed, and officers caught both suspects. We went to the registered keeper's address and said to him "Your car...." he said "Yeah it's outside on the drive"... he was completely unaware it had been stolen, thus no stolen marker on the vehicle.
Police van with blues on comes up behind, you’re not expecting it to be for you so you pull over to allow it to overtake safely. Once you stop and it becomes clear they are in fact wanting you, you can’t move off again! The police van should have then directed them to a safer place in my opinion.
Out of all the comments - this is the one I agree with most. Personally (I'm in the job) I wouldn't have stopped the car there, but equally I don't understand half of the complaints on these comments.
Typical Quality Police work. Blocking the highway by requesting the stop at this point and then adding to the issue by leaving a large gap to make traffic impossible to pass. Why haven't the police suggested follow me to a safe place
Why on earth did they pull around the front of the car? Much more dangerous than staying behind with blue lights flashing. And why that final question? "Have either of you been in trouble with the police?" My response would have been, "None of your business!"
Easy for you to say - you've no idea how daft some people can be. Got behind someone the other day.. tried to stop them.... must have sat behind them for a good 60 seconds, lights flashing, siren blaring. They constantly indicated left to pull over, but kept driving. Eventually when they pulled over as I got out, they started to drive off again.... eventually when they did stop (after almost 2 minutes) it transpires it was a non-british national who clearly didn't know how to drive correctly. Does it really surprise you that sometimes they stop in front of you?
@@jonathanstone.. That's not how it works, you are legally required to provide them at the roadside if requested. Running the car through the system does nothing but tell them who owns the car and who's insured on it.... it doesn't mean you are the owner.... and it most certainly does not tell them your name. Also having put cars through numerous times in 7 years, if a car is on finance or hire purchase it actually shows the owner as the finance company - not the keeper. So claiming "you know who I am as you've run the car through" won't always work - unless your name is "Black Horse finance" or "Volkswagen financial services limited".
What's the crap about MOT and Insurance? They already KNOW the vehicles is insured and has a valid MOT. My first question would be 'why have you stopped me?'
And their answer would be "because section 163 of the Road Traffic Act allows it" Why have people got such a problem with the police. Let them do their job, don't be an arse, and you'll be on your way.
This was such bs, it's like it was the officer's first week on the job so they were giving her pulling over experience. Asking if you're a "tik tok" instructor was so rude as well 🙄
Sorry - How is it rude to ask if someone is a "Tik Tok" instructor? They're asking a question....nothing rude about it. When I was learning, my instructor certainly didn't record lessons nor have any cameras in their car (not even a dashcam), neither did any of my mate's instructors either, granted this was back in 2012 and now it's a lot different but it's not that common. I see a lot of learner drivers using the road in learner school cars and the majority I see don't have any cameras in, so to these officers it's a bit unusual hence they asked a question. Not sure what's rude about that.
@@thefiestaguy8831 It's just a bit condescending in my opinion, they questioned whether she was a legit and qualified driving instructor just because she makes videos for tik tok. I get it's their job but just asking for her badge would've been fine
It is worth mentioning that any driver over 25 years old with a full driving license can sit with Learner providing the car is road legal, insured for the learner and displaying L Plates.
@@raejae5565 I'm pretty sure they did check her ADI badge. They're only asking a question... I really don't get some of these comments. They literally asked a question. They weren't rude, abusive or derogatory about her.... if the police who are expected to investigate and ask questions to check people are legal to drive, can't ask a question without being viewed as "condescending" then what hope have they got? As I mentioned on another comment, you don't typically see many driving school cars recording their lessons. My instructor certainly didn't and none of my mate's did. I see a lot of driving school cars where I live and work and I've yet to see a single one with a GoPro mounted to the windscreen recording it, most that I've seen don't even have dash cams.
I've seen many a cop driving terribly. They need to look at themselves before pulling people over. They drive like I'm king of the road driving on the bus only lane without lights,I've even seen them driving down the wrong way without lights on. Remember, they are not your friends, just money collectors.
Hannah's now an official baddie! Or has been for over a year! Imagine her telling all the girls and boys in her social group. Lads gonna feel outdone 😂
Unsafe traffic stop. Any passing cehicle cannot see much past stopped van. Looks more like police doing a training day for own officer / apprentice. Who pays if some inattentive driver hits the 2 ladies jn learner car?? There are alwasy attention diverted drivers. Same wirh those 2 " officers".
It was uncomfortable watching the police do this traffic stop. Surely the police van should of stayed behind the car to protect all parties and what a place to do a traffic stop. I think some re training is required.
I suspect they pulled in front because she tried to move off again. So they wanted to "block" the car in and stop them moving off again, hence why the female officer quickly jumped out when the vehicle was stopped at an angle on the road in front of the camera car.
@@DemiGod.. Yep, because the majority of UK officers don't have firearms, they simply don't want them. The law doesn't protect them enough and everyone criticises them so they feel that if they use them they would be "hung out to dry". Just look at how British police are treated when a driver they are chasing kills someone.... let alone if they ever had to shoot anybody. 2 years ago in the force I work in they conducted a survey about what would happen if officers were given the choice to carry a firearm, 78% of officers who responded said they wouldn't carry one, 12% of officers said they would resign if they were forced to carry one and only 10% said they would happily carry one. Google "PC Ed Welch" and you'll see what I mean. That's the reason most of the people I work with openly refuse to ever chase anyone in a vehicle.
UK policing has become far more aggressive why is that I mean asking "Have you been in trouble" becoming more and more like America which is not a good thing!!
I remember when I pulled up at a petrol pump and the lady refused to authorise the petrol use. She came out and told me I was too young to fill up the car, I told her I was 17 and was legal. May as well up the legal age to 21
I’m not sure if one of the police officers was training up the other one but it seems like they were looking for any reason to get you done, well done for switching off the engine, rule 123 of the Highway Code, engine idling law, the driver and the environment, you must not leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road, generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution, however, it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults, they could of got you done for that if you kept the engine running, also, always think about the road markings, you were absolutely fine to stop on that road because they’re not double white lines but remember, stopping on a road with double white lines is not allowed, the only exceptions are to stop to pick up and set down passengers and to load and unload goods.
This is infuriating, i found them patronising to both of them but particularly the instructor. Asking are you a qualified instructor they should be aware of the ADI badge. And im sure they could of run the checks they did drom the number plate, and the place they stopped them was unsutible aswell
That's the only bit I don't understand. I serve myself and we can often do checks ourselves, the only time might be if the Police National computer (PNC) is down or suffering an outage.
@@thefiestaguy8831 that's it mate, imagine if the young lady had of been in her test, I'm sure it would have affected her nerves. I'm an examiner and they have enough nerves to deal with.
@@holly123140 Thing is, as much as I agree that this wasn't the "best" place to stop them, lawfully it's fine, as was the stop. Like I said nothing they did here was "wrong" on any level, especially not on a "legal" standpoint. I'm serving myself but i'll always point out when another officer says or does something that in my view was either excessive, rude or abhorrent, I'm always courteous and respectful no matter who i'm dealing with. Even when faced with some career criminal hurling abuse at me i'm still polite and just ignore it.
@@thefiestaguy8831 oh no, I agree legally there was nothing wrong with the stop at all and you have my up most respect, that's a great attitude that you have and I'm not so sure I could refrain if I was being abused and spat on ect. It just seemed a little unnecessary. The bit that got me was when they asked the instructor if she was a professional instructor, when her Adi badge was in the window where it was me to be. I go on tests and find them in glove boxes and all sorts and I have to take the Adi number off it.
@@holly123140 I appreciate that, thank you. I think sometimes we come across as "rude" when actually it's just a general inquisitive question - you have to remember we are expected to be nosey. A police officer who doesn't go out looking for crimes or turns a blind eye to everything isn't a good one. Being nosey is unfortunately part of it, as much as sometimes I don't like asking a lot of questions. Also, in my personal opinion, driving standards now are appalling. I've nearly had a head on collision when a "professional" driver (private hire) turned right, ignoring a "no right turn" sign, and then proceeded to drive the wrong way down a dual carriageway with a posted 40 limit, ignoring two "NO ENTRY" signs, and nearly having a head on collision with me, I saw him and slowed right down, he swerved around me and onto a grass bank, before he rejoined the road and proceeded to cross a literal tram road crossing on the wrong side of the road (with the traffic lights controlling the traffic facing the other way - so he couldn't see the lights because he'd driven the wrong way up the road). On the motorway the other day - plenty of middle lane hoggers, even worse numerous people sat in lane 3 or 4 doing 40-50mph in a non-restricted zone and refused to move. I don't expect people to drive perfectly, as nobody's perfect. But sometimes I think people just get in a car, "zone out" and stare blindly ahead, never looking in their rear-view or wing mirrors.... I was taught to check my rear view mirror every 5-6 seconds if safe to do so when I was learning.
Ridiculous! They know if it’s insured and MOT easy for them to check all that. Don’t volunteer information to them and always challenge why they stopped you, why they need such details
This was a valuable lesson. She learned that bored cops will use and abuse sec 163 of the road traffic act to get their. Have you got ID fix and satisfy their ego.
It’s a driving lesson,as if the instructor would allow someone to drive her car without license,insurance etc,if I were the instructor I would be very offended that they pulled us over
Meanwhile an old man at number 54 has just been robbed. A 17 year has just dealt drugs on his electric bike and a child has just been potentially kidnapped …. Good job officers 👍🏼👍🏼
If they want to train officers, do it on their own time and not at the expense of others. The police Instructor should have asked the constable what are your grounds for further queriers once Hannah's provisional had been verified.
They identified two young people to stop and practice on. I remember this when I was young and started driving . Perhaps it's just the way the world is .
Ridiculous, haven’t they got anything better to do? And stopping them in a dangerous place 😡 the police with their blue lights should’ve been behind them to protect them.
From reading another comment, it would appear that it might be a plain car without a headboard, displaying L plates on the front and presumably the rear. So it wouldn't immediately be obvious to the officers that it was a "driving instructor" and could just be "a relative" or "friend" teaching.
@@135Ops Another person commented elsewhere here stating that it wasn't a marked up learner's car, it's just a plain car with L plates, or words to that effect.
@@alanhindmarch4483 "Waistline"... wasting? To be honest, I think the learner driver is going to experience far more distressing situations on the road in their driving life... Do you think they're never going to be subjected to road rage, or an aggressive driver tailgating them for miles, beeping them and flashing them to get out of the way? If you honestly think the police should NEVER stop a learner driver in case they "put them off driving for life" then there's bigger issues....
Where I serve we DO investigate Burglaries. We always deploy to them if the person reporting it wants us to, (sometimes they don't), and they get passed to a burglary and robbery team who are office based and deal with them, they do also go out and conduct enquiries and make arrests once a suspect's identity is confirmed.
I think the Police officer was trying to Pull Debbie and not the car hence he said she looked so young. He was complimenting her on her good looks as the chat up line but forget to get her phone number as the camera put him off. It was a compliment stop on Debbie that didn't pan out as he had hoped.
Police left you in danger, they should park behind you ! On a busy road they should be concerned about your safety , big fail ! Then asked if either you 2 had been in trouble with the police , that not relivent and none off their business, no wonder auditor give the police a hard time, if your 2 nice they take advantage!
I also want to make you aware that the police are also stopping the flow of traffic by blocking a busy highway as well as coming up with some bullshit excuse as to why they've been pulled over.
@@135Ops Yep, and they chose to make it. Not sure why all the comments criticising. If it wasn't a learner driver, would you all still be complaining? No. If it was a learner driver who wasn't phased by it at all, would you complain? They literally did nothing legally wrong here, roadside stops happen literally all the time across the country... there's nothing extreme about this, they weren't rude and did the checks they were supposed to and let them go on their way. If you think this is "rude" or "wrong" you want to see some of the people we deal with.
Regardless for the reasons for pulling you over the police should of moved you on to a far safer location. Copper is standing in the road with cars trying to overtake a couple of feet away. Surely the police should do a risk assessment of the location when they first stop you and think "hang on a minute lets get them to follow us to a car park or a bus stop". Even Debbie said "are we okay staying here" In other words it doesn't look overly safe to me!
Pulled a driving instructor and pupil over…. Nice to know that all burglaries and knife and drug related crimes seem less important… only in this country 😂😂😂
That was pathetic, traffic should be handled by traffic officers, what the hell these guys were doing is beyond me. A traffic officer would have already done a PNC check, if that came back good no probable cause so no stop.
Seriously!!; this is so not needed,, obviously real crime is not a high priority,,oh well I'm off to rob a bank in the knowledge that the police will be stopping learner drivers!!
Nothing wrong at all with that. Considering 10% of cars are uninsured they were just doing their jobs. However I wish they would go and concentrate on towns like Blackburn, Burnley and Preston where a large percentage of the population doesn't think UK laws apply to them.
Unfortunately it's common here too where I am, south of the country. Plenty of youngsters and typically middle aged people driving around, on the phone, totally careless. Interestingly I've never actually ever seen an older person using the phone whilst driving.
Except they can establish whether a vehicle is currently insured with their ANPR. So, why were they stopped? Strange they pulled up behind with their lights and hazards on, a good safety position to warn other road users approaching from behind but then move to the front leaving the small car exposed. Great police work. They would be better employed concentrating on the, now, countless drivers who ignore traffic lights on red.
Insurance details,MOT and Tax are ALL instantly available from their data base, No offence had been committed,no reason at all for these questions or extra information.
@@manu-tonyo9654 Tax doesn't always display, often MOT doesn't either. Insurance will usually show but not always especially if the policy has just been taken out. I've checked PNC enough times and usually MOT or Tax, and sometimes both just shows "no data held".
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 Did you see ANPR on the police vehicle? I didn't. Majority of police vehicles (especially police "carriers" like this one) don't have ANPR. In the force I serve at my station literally 2 cars in our entire fleet of about 20 vehicles have ANPR. ANPR also doesn't tell you who's insured to drive it... it just tells you there is an existing insurance policy on that vehicle. Also, ANPR technically won't "flag" this car at all. ANPR only "flags" vehicles that don't have insurance or have other markers on them (stolen, used in crime, occupants believed wanted, firearms markers etc). Whilst ANPR does record all registrations that pass through and stores them in a database as a "read" it doesn't actually "Flag" or alert anyone to anything until it reads a registration that either has a marker on it as above or is not insured. I could go out and steal my mate's car whilst he's abroad, I'd never flag up on ANPR despite the fact I've stolen his car and I'm not insured to drive it - because the car is insured so it won't flag up on any ANPR until he were to report it stolen. People don't actually know how ANPR works....
What an absolute pathetic waste of resources. This was just a blatant abuse of power by bored police officers. To pull over a learner in this way is just bullying abusive behaviour, it could shatter the confidence of any learner driver to be stopped like this. "Have either one of you been in trouble with the police before" is again another way to intimidate unnecessarily and is just the male officer massaging his ego. Pathetic. Meanwhile burglaries continue to go on without investigation due to "lack of resources".
That wasn't a safe place to pull over and do that. The lady actually checked that with the officer and she said it was safe whuch was actually more dangerous than why they pulled the car over
It almost sounds like the female officer was new to the job, at one point in the video you can hear the male officer explaining something in the background about "....this bit here shows that Debbie is over 18...& this bit here shows Hannah...."
Yes, over reach. Total BS. This sort of behaviour brings cops into disrepute and into disfavour with the public. They should stick to dealing with genuinely dangerous people.
I’m 17 but I look rlly young like 14 and I’m rlly scared of getting pulled over one day 😂 I always have my license with me now that I’ve started driving
How ridiculous someone learning to drive and they get stop by the police, I hope the police are is going to make up for lost time of the young lady's driving lesson time is money lost.
What a waste of time, not your fault but awfully dangerous place to make you stop. Meanwhile dozens doing 70 in a 50 just down the road. Totally embarrassing for the Police
And you wonder why people have no confidence in the police, what a waste of time. Pulling you over in an unsafe place, stopping all traffic this must come under inconsiderate driving, the police stopped all traffic in that lane of the road. They have inconvenienced all people on the that road, for no real reason.
You should challenge the police for the stop. If they tell you it is a random traffic stop, just give them what is asked for and decline any other questions. A lot of police use questioning that could result in you implicating yourself.
Please seek legal advice on this. Whoever authorised this stop needs a good talking to. Very, Very disappointed with this. Take them down town and book them Dano
A competence collecting exercise for a probationary officer. This would be fine if they would just be honest about it. There's a list they have to tick.
What the hell did they pull you over for? From what I saw they never actually explained it and then just resorted to scrambling to look for a reason why...
I assume they thought Debbie was too young to be supervisor of a provisional licence holder? They said something about her looking really young as they drove past 🤔 I believe if you're supervising a learner you've got to have your FULL license at least 3 years? (Aged 21 +?)
Should have told them to go and check on their system that the vehicle was insured, taxed and MOT, why should you do the job that they are getting paid for and the first thing you should have asked is the reason for the stop, they are just harassing you and fishing, don't help these police in any way, these are the bad police and train others how to intimidate people
Because they stopped a car? If they stopped you, would you have a problem with it? I'm in the job and I've also been stopped many times myself, personally I don't care. I'm on my way within 5 minutes. I think this was a newer officer being mentored. How do you expect new officers to learn if they aren't allowed to stop vehicles and perform the relevant checks? A learner car actually requires more checks to be conducted, so it's better practise. Yes it might not look "brilliant" but that's down to how the public perceive a police stop, as ultimately police officers in uniform can stop any motor vehicle being driven on a public road without any reason.
Yes Bud but the public would really prefer it if you actually got on with some actual work like getting the crime clear up rate above 5% ! Stopping law abiding citizens going about their lawful business because 17 year olds "look young" doesn't cut it !
@@garymoore2535 I think you misunderstood.... They stopped the car because the instructor (not the driver) looked young. They probably caught a glance of them as they drove past and thought she looked too young to be teaching. From reading the comments this isn't a "marked up" learner driving car it's only a normal car, displaying "L" plates with the relevant insurance, so as far as the police are concerned it might not even be an official instructor and might be a relative. If this was a fully marked up learner car I suspect they'd never have stopped it.
@@garymoore2535 I like the way you've assumed I don't deal with "actual work". I'm sure the victims of crime I've helped over the years would disagree. The thieves i've put in prison and the rapists i've arrested... Unfortunately - we don't make the laws. If they want to stop a "law abiding citizen" they can choose to do so. Personally I won't stop a vehicle unless I have a reason to do so, and I might stop perhaps 1 car a month as an average, so it's quite rare, that said I know officers who literally never stop cars and some who stop a lot. As I've said before in other comments, plenty of routine stop checks have revealed interesting results, including people wanted for murder, people wanted for domestic rapes, a car full of drugs and machetes and even one stop where a loaded firearm was found in the boot....
And meanwhile, some innocent child is having her mobile stolen, and some innocent guy is having his bike jacked.....and some innocent person is being stabbed.... No wonder no one trusts our policing
In the US in order to pull you over the police have to be able to articulate a reason. Like reckless driving, speeding, lights out or suspicious behavior. Just curious what the rules are there.
The reason they pulled them over was because they thought both the driver and instructor were under age. The woman said this in the video as she walked up. Once it was clear she was mistaken she really should have just let them go, but they were on a tick-box exercise at that point, making sure there was nothing else they could book them for.
Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act gives our Police the power to stop any vehicle on the road, and to obtain the driver's details. They don't need a specific reason for the stop or any sort of "reasonable grounds" or whatever.
This is why people get so frustrated… when you’re a victim of harassment or anti-social behaviour the police don’t have the resources to do anything, but they’ve apparently got time to pull over learner drivers and waste everyone’s time.
The young learner driver is telling the police far too much information, they are not being detained or arrested so don't need to tell them anything extra. Bully tactics by police, scaring people into saying anything
We're told there aren't enough police to tackle serious crime......maybe this is why. Pathetic.
If you honestly think one single vehicle consisting of two officers stopping a car at the roadside for 5-10 minutes is the reason there's not enough officers... then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
The real reason is because police are dealing with calls that frankly they should not be dealing with.
Why is a mental health call a police officer's job?
Why is someone threatening suicide the job of the police to attend?
Why is someone actively self harming inside their flat, or house, a police call?
Why is a civil dispute between two neighbours over 1 foot of land a police call?
Why is a 15 year old who has gone missing for the 10th time in a week, a police job?
Who else is going to be forced to deploy to those calls? That's right, only the police, the buck stops with them.
I know of an incident some years back where a serial complainer called the police to report her neighbour.... (she was calling numerous times each day, every day).... when she was told police had been twice already that day to her, and they would not be deployed again, she then said "Fine, i'm going to kill myself"... cue a police vehicle driving on blues and siren to her address ready to kick her door down and potentially have to save her life. Again, is this a police call?
Having been sat with mental health patients many times in hospital, for hours and hours on end, the real reason isn't because a unit is stopping a car for 5-10 minutes somewhere... it's because every job nowadays is apparently the responsibility of the police. Go back 30 years, I guarantee you wouldn't see 8 police officers sat in hospital with detainees claiming to have swallowed drugs, or feeling unwell, or having hit their head on arrest or having smacked their head on the cage in the van...guarantee 30 years ago there were far less people placed under mental health act sections, far less people going missing. People seem to forget that the majority of police time is actually spent with prisoners at hospital or on a constant supervision in a cell - because the person has stated that if they are left alone in a cell they will try to hang themselves, or slit their wrists, or smack their head repeatedly.... that doesn't even factor things like crime scenes and victim continuities.
It's mostly a generational thing, kids nowadays wander off to the other side of the country with their phone in hand, to meet someone they met on TikTok... they become a "high risk missing person" because they are believed to be being sexually exploited and now the police have to throw a LOT of resources at it (often including a helicopter) to attempt to locate them.
Do you think that stuff went on anywhere near as regularly as it did 30 years ago?
That's the main problem. Many people are comparing the police from 20-30 years ago to today.... nowadays very few incidents we actually deal with are actually police matters or involve some form of crime.
@thefiestaguy8831 exactly. What you report from your experience I can confirm in my last 2 careers also( A&E, road traffic) . People can not use their own brains anymore. It all started with television screens and no mobile screens.
Wow, the police were actively trying to extend this pointless interaction that they started.
Very busy people indeed...
@@thefiestaguy8831 you are cattle mate, you make me sick.
What about the missing girls who went missing 10 times in Rotherham where was you then? Pick and choose what you want to get involved in. Useless.
I’m glad this was caught on camera… Absolutely pathetic, they thought she was too young to drive then once they found out she was the legal age to drive proceeded to try and get her on something else, insurance, MOT, etc.
Sounds like a new police officer is being tutor'd. In fairness, they're not trying to "get her" on anything - if a vehicle is stopped it is also the responsibility of the police to check / ensure that the documents are in order and that those driving have a license and are also insured on the vehicle.
They weren't trying to get her over anything.
They stopped the car because it seems they thought the instructor was possibly too young to be supervising. In fairness i've driven past some people driving cars before who looked about 12... but are clearly old enough to drive by themselves.
It also isn't a typical learner car with a headboard, it's just a normal car with an L plate displayed. Many criminals nowadays drive around in a small car displaying L plates because they know they are unlikely to be stopped by doing so.
When stopped, they are supposed to check MOT, insurance and driving license details, additionally they will check if the person is currently wanted... it might surprise you to know that colleagues of mine have caught people wanted for Robbery, Burglary, Kidnap and Rape as a result of a simple road traffic stop. I dealt with one case some years back whereby at a routine stop near a port in the South of England, a suspect I had circulated was caught.... he was wanted for GBH - hardly a "minor offence".
If the officers don't do the checks, and the person is unlicensed, uninsured, etc, then they are liable if there is a collision further up the road.
Again, no doubt you are unaware that officers can quite easily be sacked when they don't do their job correctly - yet when they do their job thoroughly, the public complain.
I was once investigated for 18 months because somebody else decided to take their own life.... they gave me no indication of this and just simply decided to commit suicide. 18 months of investigation and I nearly lost my job over it.
Does that sound like a typical job to you... or fair? Almost losing your job because somebody else decides to do something.
I have zero criticism nowadays for officers who are thorough, it only takes one job to not be done properly, and for something to go wrong - and there goes the officer's job.
@@thefiestaguy8831 😂😂😂 Oh come off it, a blind man could that instructor was over 21, she looked to be at least in her 40’s.
@@alvina69 Easy to say when you've got a full video to look at. You've got to remember they likely only caught a passing glimpse. You also forget that appearance is interpretable differently, someone could look at someone and say they were 40, someone else might say they were 30... I work with people who look easily mid to late 20's but are actually early 20's. Some people can guess my age to within a few years, others say I look 10-15 years younger than I am.
@@NickF14 then why werent they pulling over someone who was actually breaking the law or someone that they had reasonable grounds to believe they had broken the law. This was total abuse of power.
4:40 "HAVE EITHER OF YOU BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH THE POLICE" ???, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK THAT, ON A ROUTINE TRAFFIC SPOT CHECK, ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE, SHOCKING BEHAVIOUR
Goody, goody, goody. No officer, pathetic, pathetic and even more bloody pathetic. "Have either of you ever been in trouble with the police"? No wonder they're so hated. Totally embarrassing for them.
I agree scare young girl
They've nothing better to do. Total power trip. Well, handled by the way.
How unsafe was that? They have the big vehicle with flashy lights, and they pull in front of you, leaving you exposed to that traffic. That's so unsafe and very dangerous.
As an ex-roadside assistant ( breakdown recovery ) you are absolutely correct! They couldn’t have picked a safer place to pull you but if they had to pull them there they should have stayed behind them and shielded them with the van
Absolutely shocking and some of the questions that were asked 🤦
I'd be making a complaint, there is no reason to stop you. Let alone in a dangerous place like that.
This was ridiculous. Pulling a learner over could have absolutely destroyed her confidence and put her off ever going near a vehicle again
I don’t think, as a tutor, I’d have been anywhere near as calm as she is
Weird comment to make.
Has it never occurred to you that drug dealers and gang nominals have been known to drive around in a small car with L plates displayed?
By your logic they should never stop a car displaying an L plate... won't be long before anyone involved in crime sticks an L plate on the car and drives everywhere with at least 2 people in the vehicle.
@@thefiestaguy8831 I think it's weird for you to think that having an l plate Gives an officer reasonable grounds to pull someone over. It's not even like she matched the description of anyone.
@@sm0g-810 You didn't read any of the previous comments did you.
"Reasonable grounds to pull someone over".... what on earth makes you think they need "reasonable grounds" to pull someone over?
The legislation literally does not state anything about grounds or reasoning. Any vehicle can be stopped without reason. The requirements are that it is a mechanically propelled vehicle being driven on a public road and that the officer is in uniform.
Yeah they both dealt with it well
@@thefiestaguy8831yeah but come on sad af tbh
In my experience riot vans don’t usually make a habit of pulling learner drivers over because they "look young". The checks they did to try and cover their asses were BS, they should have just admitted up front they made a mistake.
Piggys admit they made a mistake? More chance of them flying 😂
Idiot police putting people in danger. More training required.
The police have lost the plot. No wonder the crime rate is so high. Cannot even manage a simple traffic stop.
Glad to see my tax going to good use...
The stop was obviously a training exercise for one of the officers.
1. They should not have conducted this on a student clearly learning to drive. It shows poor EQ.
2. Noting they have pulled over a student, they should have directed them to pull over to a safer location (The car park ahead would have been an obvious option)
3. They should have been clearer about why they have pulled them over (and stated this was to train the female officer, the statement about thinking to tutor was “young” was bullshit)
Spot on
Ever wondered why the real crime clear up rate is less than 5% ?
With number plate recognition the status of the cars, Tax, MOT and Insurance is almost instantly available. Presumably the Police Van is not so equiped. Nothing more than a fishing trip. "Have you ever been in trouble ?"........."Yes Officer, I have a dead body in the boot, a handgun in the glovebox and 3 kilos of cocaine under the drivers seat"......."You had better call your Supervisor" 😂😂😂
You're using a flawed logic.
Are you aware of just how few vehicles are fitted with ANPR technology?
A small percentage. Police carriers like the one in this video are not fitted with it, because they are generally used in public disorder situations.
Most general policing cars don't even have dashcams, let alone ANPR. Only pursuit vehicles and those that belong to traffic have ANPR typically. I've seen plenty of firearms vehicles (who can all pursue vehicles) that don't have ANPR either.
Also ANPR ONLY tells you about the vehicle. It does not tell you who is driving it, whether the driver is drunk, uninsured, unlicensed, or has just stolen the car and the owner has not realised it yet. I once went to a vehicle theft, whereby the stolen vehicle had taken a pursuit, crashed, and officers caught both suspects. We went to the registered keeper's address and said to him "Your car...." he said "Yeah it's outside on the drive"... he was completely unaware it had been stolen, thus no stolen marker on the vehicle.
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I never fail to be embarrassed by the British police what an utterly utterly useless shower!!!
Police van with blues on comes up behind, you’re not expecting it to be for you so you pull over to allow it to overtake safely. Once you stop and it becomes clear they are in fact wanting you, you can’t move off again!
The police van should have then directed them to a safer place in my opinion.
Out of all the comments - this is the one I agree with most. Personally (I'm in the job) I wouldn't have stopped the car there, but equally I don't understand half of the complaints on these comments.
@@thefiestaguy8831 I was fully expecting the police to tell them to follow them.
What a complete joke of a stop. That’s not acceptable, there’s no good reason for that.
Typical Quality Police work. Blocking the highway by requesting the stop at this point and then adding to the issue by leaving a large gap to make traffic impossible to pass. Why haven't the police suggested follow me to a safe place
The practice of pulling up in a safe, legal and convenient place is taught by instructors but not recognised by police
Why on earth did they pull around the front of the car? Much more dangerous than staying behind with blue lights flashing.
And why that final question? "Have either of you been in trouble with the police?" My response would have been, "None of your business!"
So they cant drive off forwards I would assume
Because, they are thick, don’t care.
Easy for you to say - you've no idea how daft some people can be.
Got behind someone the other day.. tried to stop them.... must have sat behind them for a good 60 seconds, lights flashing, siren blaring. They constantly indicated left to pull over, but kept driving. Eventually when they pulled over as I got out, they started to drive off again.... eventually when they did stop (after almost 2 minutes) it transpires it was a non-british national who clearly didn't know how to drive correctly.
Does it really surprise you that sometimes they stop in front of you?
My response would of been you've jutted looked up my details so you already know
@@jonathanstone.. That's not how it works, you are legally required to provide them at the roadside if requested. Running the car through the system does nothing but tell them who owns the car and who's insured on it.... it doesn't mean you are the owner.... and it most certainly does not tell them your name.
Also having put cars through numerous times in 7 years, if a car is on finance or hire purchase it actually shows the owner as the finance company - not the keeper. So claiming "you know who I am as you've run the car through" won't always work - unless your name is "Black Horse finance" or "Volkswagen financial services limited".
They pulled her over because they thought she was a secondary school kid. What a slow day for them.
What's the crap about MOT and Insurance? They already KNOW the vehicles is insured and has a valid MOT. My first question would be 'why have you stopped me?'
And their answer would be "because section 163 of the Road Traffic Act allows it"
Why have people got such a problem with the police. Let them do their job, don't be an arse, and you'll be on your way.
@@sidwills the point is why are the police such assholes?
@@stu176mmm funny, they're always perfectly polite and pleasant to me. Maybe you get back what you put in...?
@@sidwillswhat a stupid comment.
This was such bs, it's like it was the officer's first week on the job so they were giving her pulling over experience. Asking if you're a "tik tok" instructor was so rude as well 🙄
@darcie_ the police were obviously the Karens in this situation but nice try
Sorry - How is it rude to ask if someone is a "Tik Tok" instructor? They're asking a question....nothing rude about it.
When I was learning, my instructor certainly didn't record lessons nor have any cameras in their car (not even a dashcam), neither did any of my mate's instructors either, granted this was back in 2012 and now it's a lot different but it's not that common. I see a lot of learner drivers using the road in learner school cars and the majority I see don't have any cameras in, so to these officers it's a bit unusual hence they asked a question. Not sure what's rude about that.
@@thefiestaguy8831 It's just a bit condescending in my opinion, they questioned whether she was a legit and qualified driving instructor just because she makes videos for tik tok. I get it's their job but just asking for her badge would've been fine
It is worth mentioning that any driver over 25 years old with a full driving license can sit with Learner providing the car is road legal, insured for the learner and displaying L Plates.
@@raejae5565 I'm pretty sure they did check her ADI badge. They're only asking a question... I really don't get some of these comments. They literally asked a question. They weren't rude, abusive or derogatory about her.... if the police who are expected to investigate and ask questions to check people are legal to drive, can't ask a question without being viewed as "condescending" then what hope have they got?
As I mentioned on another comment, you don't typically see many driving school cars recording their lessons. My instructor certainly didn't and none of my mate's did. I see a lot of driving school cars where I live and work and I've yet to see a single one with a GoPro mounted to the windscreen recording it, most that I've seen don't even have dash cams.
Police embarrassed themselves there.
Perfect example of police wasting the police’s time..😂
I've seen many a cop driving terribly. They need to look at themselves before pulling people over. They drive like I'm king of the road driving on the bus only lane without lights,I've even seen them driving down the wrong way without lights on. Remember, they are not your friends, just money collectors.
Hannah's now an official baddie! Or has been for over a year! Imagine her telling all the girls and boys in her social group. Lads gonna feel outdone 😂
Glad the comments are echoing so many others...they wonder why nobody respects authority anymore when they act like this 🤦🏻♂️
I'm amazed they said, yeah this is an ok place to pull over. Wtf! It absolutely is not.
Unsafe traffic stop.
Any passing cehicle cannot see much past stopped van.
Looks more like police doing a training day for own officer / apprentice.
Who pays if some inattentive driver hits the 2 ladies jn learner car??
There are alwasy attention diverted drivers.
Same wirh those 2 " officers".
It was uncomfortable watching the police do this traffic stop. Surely the police van should of stayed behind the car to protect all parties and what a place to do a traffic stop. I think some re training is required.
This was my thought. Either that or tell them to pull into a safe place further along. Especially as there are hatchings alongside.
I suspect they pulled in front because she tried to move off again. So they wanted to "block" the car in and stop them moving off again, hence why the female officer quickly jumped out when the vehicle was stopped at an angle on the road in front of the camera car.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Atleast they don't draw their guns like they do in america.
@@DemiGod.. Yep, because the majority of UK officers don't have firearms, they simply don't want them. The law doesn't protect them enough and everyone criticises them so they feel that if they use them they would be "hung out to dry". Just look at how British police are treated when a driver they are chasing kills someone.... let alone if they ever had to shoot anybody.
2 years ago in the force I work in they conducted a survey about what would happen if officers were given the choice to carry a firearm, 78% of officers who responded said they wouldn't carry one, 12% of officers said they would resign if they were forced to carry one and only 10% said they would happily carry one.
Google "PC Ed Welch" and you'll see what I mean. That's the reason most of the people I work with openly refuse to ever chase anyone in a vehicle.
Can't have been dangerous or the cops would have put on hi-viz jackets as per regs. Oh.
UK policing has become far more aggressive why is that I mean asking "Have you been in trouble" becoming more and more like America which is not a good thing!!
That’s an utter misuse of authority
I remember when I pulled up at a petrol pump and the lady refused to authorise the petrol use. She came out and told me I was too young to fill up the car, I told her I was 17 and was legal. May as well up the legal age to 21
I love the woman’s smile, it’s definitely one of I’ve done nothing wrong how many ways do I prove that 🙄
I’m not sure if one of the police officers was training up the other one but it seems like they were looking for any reason to get you done, well done for switching off the engine, rule 123 of the Highway Code, engine idling law, the driver and the environment, you must not leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road, generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution, however, it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults, they could of got you done for that if you kept the engine running, also, always think about the road markings, you were absolutely fine to stop on that road because they’re not double white lines but remember, stopping on a road with double white lines is not allowed, the only exceptions are to stop to pick up and set down passengers and to load and unload goods.
This is infuriating, i found them patronising to both of them but particularly the instructor. Asking are you a qualified instructor they should be aware of the ADI badge. And im sure they could of run the checks they did drom the number plate, and the place they stopped them was unsutible aswell
That's the only bit I don't understand. I serve myself and we can often do checks ourselves, the only time might be if the Police National computer (PNC) is down or suffering an outage.
@@thefiestaguy8831 that's it mate, imagine if the young lady had of been in her test, I'm sure it would have affected her nerves. I'm an examiner and they have enough nerves to deal with.
@@holly123140 Thing is, as much as I agree that this wasn't the "best" place to stop them, lawfully it's fine, as was the stop. Like I said nothing they did here was "wrong" on any level, especially not on a "legal" standpoint.
I'm serving myself but i'll always point out when another officer says or does something that in my view was either excessive, rude or abhorrent, I'm always courteous and respectful no matter who i'm dealing with. Even when faced with some career criminal hurling abuse at me i'm still polite and just ignore it.
@@thefiestaguy8831 oh no, I agree legally there was nothing wrong with the stop at all and you have my up most respect, that's a great attitude that you have and I'm not so sure I could refrain if I was being abused and spat on ect. It just seemed a little unnecessary. The bit that got me was when they asked the instructor if she was a professional instructor, when her Adi badge was in the window where it was me to be. I go on tests and find them in glove boxes and all sorts and I have to take the Adi number off it.
@@holly123140 I appreciate that, thank you. I think sometimes we come across as "rude" when actually it's just a general inquisitive question - you have to remember we are expected to be nosey. A police officer who doesn't go out looking for crimes or turns a blind eye to everything isn't a good one. Being nosey is unfortunately part of it, as much as sometimes I don't like asking a lot of questions.
Also, in my personal opinion, driving standards now are appalling. I've nearly had a head on collision when a "professional" driver (private hire) turned right, ignoring a "no right turn" sign, and then proceeded to drive the wrong way down a dual carriageway with a posted 40 limit, ignoring two "NO ENTRY" signs, and nearly having a head on collision with me, I saw him and slowed right down, he swerved around me and onto a grass bank, before he rejoined the road and proceeded to cross a literal tram road crossing on the wrong side of the road (with the traffic lights controlling the traffic facing the other way - so he couldn't see the lights because he'd driven the wrong way up the road).
On the motorway the other day - plenty of middle lane hoggers, even worse numerous people sat in lane 3 or 4 doing 40-50mph in a non-restricted zone and refused to move. I don't expect people to drive perfectly, as nobody's perfect. But sometimes I think people just get in a car, "zone out" and stare blindly ahead, never looking in their rear-view or wing mirrors.... I was taught to check my rear view mirror every 5-6 seconds if safe to do so when I was learning.
Ridiculous! They know if it’s insured and MOT easy for them to check all that. Don’t volunteer information to them and always challenge why they stopped you, why they need such details
This was a valuable lesson.
She learned that bored cops will use and abuse sec 163 of the road traffic act to get their.
Have you got ID fix and satisfy their ego.
It’s a driving lesson,as if the instructor would allow someone to drive her car without license,insurance etc,if I were the instructor I would be very offended that they pulled us over
What a pathetic stop. I don't know how you were so patient and polite. Pretty sure I wouldn't have been.
Meanwhile an old man at number 54 has just been robbed.
A 17 year has just dealt drugs on his electric bike and a child has just been potentially kidnapped ….
Good job officers 👍🏼👍🏼
If they want to train officers, do it on their own time and not at the expense of others. The police Instructor should have asked the constable what are your grounds for further queriers once Hannah's provisional had been verified.
They identified two young people to stop and practice on.
I remember this when I was young and started driving .
Perhaps it's just the way the world is .
Ridiculous, haven’t they got anything better to do? And stopping them in a dangerous place 😡 the police with their blue lights should’ve been behind them to protect them.
Hold your licence and insurance upto the glass then ignore them, never speak to police, they are not your friends
If this is a marked drivers learning school car, this is bang out of line.
From reading another comment, it would appear that it might be a plain car without a headboard, displaying L plates on the front and presumably the rear. So it wouldn't immediately be obvious to the officers that it was a "driving instructor" and could just be "a relative" or "friend" teaching.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Which ill informed comment are you using as evidence in attempt to bolster your lack of objectivity and balance?
@@135Ops Another person commented elsewhere here stating that it wasn't a marked up learner's car, it's just a plain car with L plates, or words to that effect.
@@135Ops calm down. He already quoted his source.
I hope part 3 has an apology ❤
For what? they did nothing wrong.
@@alanhindmarch4483 "Waistline"... wasting?
To be honest, I think the learner driver is going to experience far more distressing situations on the road in their driving life...
Do you think they're never going to be subjected to road rage, or an aggressive driver tailgating them for miles, beeping them and flashing them to get out of the way?
If you honestly think the police should NEVER stop a learner driver in case they "put them off driving for life" then there's bigger issues....
@@alanhindmarch4483stop talking bollocks 😂
In the US, the cops will instantly draw their guns the moment you reach for your handbag. Then bam, bam ...😂
Pathetic waste of police resources whilst burglaries go un-investigated.
Where I serve we DO investigate Burglaries. We always deploy to them if the person reporting it wants us to, (sometimes they don't), and they get passed to a burglary and robbery team who are office based and deal with them, they do also go out and conduct enquiries and make arrests once a suspect's identity is confirmed.
And in one of the armoured vans. Was it really necessary.
I think the Police officer was trying to Pull Debbie and not the car hence he said she looked so young. He was complimenting her on her good looks as the chat up line but forget to get her phone number as the camera put him off. It was a compliment stop on Debbie that didn't pan out as he had hoped.
Police left you in danger, they should park behind you ! On a busy road they should be concerned about your safety , big fail ! Then asked if either you 2 had been in trouble with the police , that not relivent and none off their business, no wonder auditor give the police a hard time, if your 2 nice they take advantage!
I also want to make you aware that the police are also stopping the flow of traffic by blocking a busy highway as well as coming up with some bullshit excuse as to why they've been pulled over.
It's the driver's choice where they pull over and they don't need a reason.
@@BaldMancTwat It's the Police's choice as to when and where they make the stop, have a day off!
@@135Ops Yep, and they chose to make it.
Not sure why all the comments criticising. If it wasn't a learner driver, would you all still be complaining? No.
If it was a learner driver who wasn't phased by it at all, would you complain?
They literally did nothing legally wrong here, roadside stops happen literally all the time across the country... there's nothing extreme about this, they weren't rude and did the checks they were supposed to and let them go on their way.
If you think this is "rude" or "wrong" you want to see some of the people we deal with.
Regardless for the reasons for pulling you over the police should of moved you on to a far safer location. Copper is standing in the road with cars trying to overtake a couple of feet away. Surely the police should do a risk assessment of the location when they first stop you and think "hang on a minute lets get them to follow us to a car park or a bus stop". Even Debbie said "are we okay staying here" In other words it doesn't look overly safe to me!
This is reason why people hate the police
Pulled a driving instructor and pupil over…. Nice to know that all burglaries and knife and drug related crimes seem less important… only in this country 😂😂😂
Thought they were going to look for an autograph or selfie with Debbie lol
That was pathetic, traffic should be handled by traffic officers, what the hell these guys were doing is beyond me. A traffic officer would have already done a PNC check, if that came back good no probable cause so no stop.
Seriously!!; this is so not needed,, obviously real crime is not a high priority,,oh well I'm off to rob a bank in the knowledge that the police will be stopping learner drivers!!
Nothing wrong at all with that. Considering 10% of cars are uninsured they were just doing their jobs. However I wish they would go and concentrate on towns like Blackburn, Burnley and Preston where a large percentage of the population doesn't think UK laws apply to them.
Unfortunately it's common here too where I am, south of the country. Plenty of youngsters and typically middle aged people driving around, on the phone, totally careless. Interestingly I've never actually ever seen an older person using the phone whilst driving.
Except they can establish whether a vehicle is currently insured with their ANPR. So, why were they stopped? Strange they pulled up behind with their lights and hazards on, a good safety position to warn other road users approaching from behind but then move to the front leaving the small car exposed. Great police work.
They would be better employed concentrating on the, now, countless drivers who ignore traffic lights on red.
Insurance details,MOT and Tax are ALL instantly available from their data base, No offence had been committed,no reason at all for these questions or extra information.
@@manu-tonyo9654 Tax doesn't always display, often MOT doesn't either. Insurance will usually show but not always especially if the policy has just been taken out.
I've checked PNC enough times and usually MOT or Tax, and sometimes both just shows "no data held".
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 Did you see ANPR on the police vehicle? I didn't. Majority of police vehicles (especially police "carriers" like this one) don't have ANPR. In the force I serve at my station literally 2 cars in our entire fleet of about 20 vehicles have ANPR.
ANPR also doesn't tell you who's insured to drive it... it just tells you there is an existing insurance policy on that vehicle. Also, ANPR technically won't "flag" this car at all. ANPR only "flags" vehicles that don't have insurance or have other markers on them (stolen, used in crime, occupants believed wanted, firearms markers etc). Whilst ANPR does record all registrations that pass through and stores them in a database as a "read" it doesn't actually "Flag" or alert anyone to anything until it reads a registration that either has a marker on it as above or is not insured.
I could go out and steal my mate's car whilst he's abroad, I'd never flag up on ANPR despite the fact I've stolen his car and I'm not insured to drive it - because the car is insured so it won't flag up on any ANPR until he were to report it stolen.
People don't actually know how ANPR works....
What an absolute pathetic waste of resources. This was just a blatant abuse of power by bored police officers. To pull over a learner in this way is just bullying abusive behaviour, it could shatter the confidence of any learner driver to be stopped like this. "Have either one of you been in trouble with the police before" is again another way to intimidate unnecessarily and is just the male officer massaging his ego. Pathetic. Meanwhile burglaries continue to go on without investigation due to "lack of resources".
That wasn't a safe place to pull over and do that. The lady actually checked that with the officer and she said it was safe whuch was actually more dangerous than why they pulled the car over
They have nothing better to do. This is why a lot of people hate the police.
It almost sounds like the female officer was new to the job, at one point in the video you can hear the male officer explaining something in the background about "....this bit here shows that Debbie is over 18...& this bit here shows Hannah...."
Yes, over reach. Total BS.
This sort of behaviour brings cops into disrepute and into disfavour with the public. They should stick to dealing with genuinely dangerous people.
I’m 17 but I look rlly young like 14 and I’m rlly scared of getting pulled over one day 😂 I always have my license with me now that I’ve started driving
Officers getting trained....let's pullover and I'll show you how to run checks.
Thats the A337 and A336 Cadnam/Bartley. Thats my daily commute!
How ridiculous someone learning to drive and they get stop by the police, I hope the police are is going to make up for lost time of the young lady's driving lesson time is money lost.
What a waste of time, not your fault but awfully dangerous place to make you stop. Meanwhile dozens doing 70 in a 50 just down the road. Totally embarrassing for the Police
HISTORY BOOKS HAVE IT SHE STILL THERE 😂😂
And you wonder why people have no confidence in the police, what a waste of time.
Pulling you over in an unsafe place, stopping all traffic this must come under inconsiderate driving, the police stopped all traffic in that lane of the road.
They have inconvenienced all people on the that road, for no real reason.
You should challenge the police for the stop. If they tell you it is a random traffic stop, just give them what is asked for and decline any other questions. A lot of police use questioning that could result in you implicating yourself.
Meanwhile there are actual crimes that need urgent investigation. 🙄
Poor policework, from the abrupt and dangerous stop location, to the multiple passive aggressive comments. This was embarrassing...
Totally out of Order the Moment they knew her Age the Stop was over 😢😢
Please seek legal advice on this.
Whoever authorised this stop needs a good talking to.
Very, Very disappointed with this.
Take them down town and book them Dano
A competence collecting exercise for a probationary officer. This would be fine if they would just be honest about it. There's a list they have to tick.
Any other ID what an absolute melt. Driving license is one of your 2 main identification documents.
Dangerous place to pull over
Certain areas of Birmingham where police turn off their ANPR as so many cars don't have insurance
What the hell did they pull you over for? From what I saw they never actually explained it and then just resorted to scrambling to look for a reason why...
I assume they thought Debbie was too young to be supervisor of a provisional licence holder?
They said something about her looking really young as they drove past 🤔
I believe if you're supervising a learner you've got to have your FULL license at least 3 years? (Aged 21 +?)
They don't need a reason to pull people over.
Because they were bored 🤷♂️
@@JenSai319 presumably though she had the learner box on the car. That would've been a strong indication.
I assume so too 😅
All the speeding drivers they missed!!!!!!!!!!!
give it time, the yellow cameras will be everywhere soon. Soon be a revolt, and i love to see that happen in my lifetime
Yeah let’s just put more stress on a learner driver. This is what police get paid to do.
Should have told them to go and check on their system that the vehicle was insured, taxed and MOT, why should you do the job that they are getting paid for and the first thing you should have asked is the reason for the stop, they are just harassing you and fishing, don't help these police in any way, these are the bad police and train others how to intimidate people
They should have stayed behind for the safety of the driver and passenger. On a road that slim...
Is it any wonder many people end up having no respect for the police?
Because they stopped a car? If they stopped you, would you have a problem with it?
I'm in the job and I've also been stopped many times myself, personally I don't care. I'm on my way within 5 minutes.
I think this was a newer officer being mentored. How do you expect new officers to learn if they aren't allowed to stop vehicles and perform the relevant checks?
A learner car actually requires more checks to be conducted, so it's better practise. Yes it might not look "brilliant" but that's down to how the public perceive a police stop, as ultimately police officers in uniform can stop any motor vehicle being driven on a public road without any reason.
Yes Bud but the public would really prefer it if you actually got on with some actual work like getting the crime clear up rate above 5% !
Stopping law abiding citizens going about their lawful business because 17 year olds "look young" doesn't cut it !
@@garymoore2535 I think you misunderstood....
They stopped the car because the instructor (not the driver) looked young. They probably caught a glance of them as they drove past and thought she looked too young to be teaching. From reading the comments this isn't a "marked up" learner driving car it's only a normal car, displaying "L" plates with the relevant insurance, so as far as the police are concerned it might not even be an official instructor and might be a relative.
If this was a fully marked up learner car I suspect they'd never have stopped it.
@@garymoore2535 I like the way you've assumed I don't deal with "actual work". I'm sure the victims of crime I've helped over the years would disagree. The thieves i've put in prison and the rapists i've arrested...
Unfortunately - we don't make the laws. If they want to stop a "law abiding citizen" they can choose to do so. Personally I won't stop a vehicle unless I have a reason to do so, and I might stop perhaps 1 car a month as an average, so it's quite rare, that said I know officers who literally never stop cars and some who stop a lot.
As I've said before in other comments, plenty of routine stop checks have revealed interesting results, including people wanted for murder, people wanted for domestic rapes, a car full of drugs and machetes and even one stop where a loaded firearm was found in the boot....
@@thefiestaguy8831 got to have a reasonable cause anyway, or don't you read your OWN guidelines? You sad excuse
What rubbish is this??? Sac that police driver right now
For what? No laws were contravened, S164 Road Traffic Act 1988.
Unbelievable hope they got a few choice words off there seniors
Pulling over an innocent learner driver , while dealing with them about 5 cars have gone past as suspected drug dealers, two tier police at its best
Good training for a learner, for the crap the police will give her as a qualified motorist later.
And meanwhile, some innocent child is having her mobile stolen, and some innocent guy is having his bike jacked.....and some innocent person is being stabbed....
No wonder no one trusts our policing
In the US in order to pull you over the police have to be able to articulate a reason. Like reckless driving, speeding, lights out or suspicious behavior. Just curious what the rules are there.
The reason they pulled them over was because they thought both the driver and instructor were under age. The woman said this in the video as she walked up. Once it was clear she was mistaken she really should have just let them go, but they were on a tick-box exercise at that point, making sure there was nothing else they could book them for.
Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act gives our Police the power to stop any vehicle on the road, and to obtain the driver's details. They don't need a specific reason for the stop or any sort of "reasonable grounds" or whatever.
Question at 1:10 - Offence; driving while appearing to be 12 years old 😂
I would absolutely go no comment to the coppers. Pulled you over with no valid reason
Police just finding any reason to lose people’s trust these days
This is why people get so frustrated… when you’re a victim of harassment or anti-social behaviour the police don’t have the resources to do anything, but they’ve apparently got time to pull over learner drivers and waste everyone’s time.
I think the police need to go after the boy and girl racers instead of this good young girl driver.
The young learner driver is telling the police far too much information, they are not being detained or arrested so don't need to tell them anything extra.
Bully tactics by police, scaring people into saying anything
Was your ADI licence on display in the window?