I'm hoping you are doing alright, looking forward to watching more of the completing of the 650. I built a wind vane off your old video, works well. Thanks Ron
I'm publishing this video a day early as we are expecting a big storm tonight and tomorrow which may knock out our power. Enjoy and Merry Christmas from all of us at Rover HQ.
We drove back from Boston today, a doctor's appointment for my wife. I had a post op visit with my surgeon yesterday. All is well but I keep forgetting that my "mature" body needs time to heal. After taking some acetaminophen, I got to sit down and watch a Wave Rover episode. The pain is now gone. Such are the powers of Wave Rover! 😉 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Mrs. Wave Rover! We're watching that storm, too.
I like the shortened intro. After watching a lot of TH-cam, I've reached the conclusion that very quick title sequences are the best. My favorites are the ones that simply tell the viewer what channel they're on for like 3 seconds or less, and then get on with it. Like the Wave Rover herself, smaller is better.
I’m a fan of your cockpit-less design; it will shed water fast and add strength. I suggest your lifelines/rails are up-sized to increase the protection factor against being swept off the aft deck. Add some height with an extra rail/line surrounding the aft section. Also ensure ample bulwarks. These will make your movements to & from your favoured aft seat safer, by having a decent sized protective enclosure.
The sound of that cold wind blowing is just miserable. As a South Floridian, I can't imagine living in those conditions. I can hear the motiving factor for building a boat to sail to warmer places.
Alan, another great video! I'm a big fan of a small opening ports built into the hatchway for when it gets lively. The actual opening can be determined by donning your bulky foulweather gear and seeing what is required for an easy but safe passage into and out of the cabin. The camber and the angle of that bulkhead are so very nice and I agree will make for a strong structure. Blondie Hasler is smiling down on you with this modification. In closing for now ,Merry Christmas to you both, weather this next big blow safe and warm in the new homestead.
Bios a cardboard mock up of the hatch arrangement, see how easy it is to get through and open. Keep in mind a side hinge hatch may be harder to close on one tack. The hatch hinged at the top , though it may be heavy it could be self closing to some degree.. Perhaps a split set of door style, for the hatch might be considered too.
I highly recommend mocking up your hatch/ladder/handhold layout in cardboard or plywood and trying it out yourself. You’ll be doing it many times per day in all weather as you know. Maybe it’s worth the physical testing to be sure it works for your ergonomics.
As long as you are happy thats all that matters, "Wave Rover" is YOUR vessel after all, not ours. Have a fantastic holiday season and may 2023 be a most awesome one for you and the family.
I have a side opening hatch on my boat. It really doesn't get in the way when open and gives me a handy half-way-out position for taking a quick look outside. Also I have a useful grabrail immediately above it which is a big help with egress/ingress. It opens to port and I will be able to reach through to my starboard mounted radio to starboard. It is an alloy/tinted acrylic Gebo deck hatch and gives a good view of the cockpit when closed.
I like the way the cabin is evolving. If you go for a side opening hatch, then the step you propose could also act as a doorstop. Also, when you suggest making the step double up as deck storage my first reaction is to make that storage for lines such as the halyard which you will have to keep neat and tidy when the sail is hoisted, you may have plans for this already though. Have you considered having a Hasler-McLeod style pram-hood observation hatch on the cabin top right above where you were standing in the video? It could prove very versatile and useful.
The question that comes to mind for the hatch opening direction is, which gives you the most weather protection. I’m visualising a mini spray hood that can be secured away during extreme weather. The vertical style opening like Wave Rover One vs door style opening? Vertical style opening appears to have a balance regardless of tack and can be held ajar with its weight for ventilation. Happy Christmas to all at WR HQ.
You might want to consider a double opening hatch. A bit easier to reach to close and less likely to be caught by the wind. The downside is getting a water tight seal in the middle. The convenience might be worth the additional complexity
I've been thinking yeah dangerous but if you could build in dorade vents into your deck boxes would add strength and more important in a small boat dry air. I still like the idea of the hatch box yes it is more work but could be made in a way that gives you a place to sit braced drinking your morning cuppa. Thoughts from New Zealand
The cambered cabin top definitely adds some elegance, especially against the hard chines which can make a boat look boxy. Note: I know you're in a tight space, but can you try zooming the camera out so that we can see the cabin and the entire hull in the shot? Sometimes I got confused as to the whether I was looking forward or aft.
Thanks Kevin and I will try to get wider shots for sure. On a different note, we are expecting 40-50kt gusts this evening on PEI whilst you are enjoying sunny weather. Merry Christmas my friend.
I'm thinking of a hatch door that is something like a bank vault. The hinges can be arms which extend well past the opening. This will enable a much better seal when the hatch is closed.
Yeah! Takin advance of suitable weather is a good idea up here in north! I would probably make some kind of small bump right on the hatch area to make it easier to climb up an allow standing straight even on small area. But I’m bit longer than you. Watertight door sounds good. That bulkhead wall seems to be much steeper than on your previous boat, is it? (harder to open and manage upright openable hatch?). But especially if you make the side steps, it’s important to think over how you can open and secure them well on open or closed position. I would (and will) make them with double doors. Smaller and lighter leaves that open to either side and easier to manage. But extra seam in the middle of course… Merry Christmas Alan! Keep up the good work!
Looking good Alan. I was thinking. Now you have done away with the cockpit, why not move the aft face of the cabin back a bit. This will give you greater internal volume plus the hatch will be between the longitudinals where the cockpit was going to be. You could add a short bulkhead at the forward end of this area to restrict any water that comes in through the hatch and stop it entering the main cabin area. Just a thought. Wishing you and Mrs Rover a fantastick Christmas and a productive and successful New Year.
Happy Holidays to all the rovers and of course Mr &Mrs Rover from Cape Cod⛄🎄🎅🙋🙏🙏the wind in the background reminds me of that Christmas special with Burl Ives the snowman telling the story😁 " Oh , wake me when it's over " 😅
Regarding the 20" width for the hatch you asked for feedback on: I feel that the opening should be wider to accommodate when you're wearing heavy weather gear. Seems 20" is pretty narrow for regular clothing, anyway. Add that heavy stuff, and... tight or impossible fit.
Thank you again for all of the videos you have provided to us out here in YT land Alan. Have a very Merry Christmas. Hunker down and stay warm and safe with Mrs. Wave Rover and Mr. Speckles.
It do not matter what people think about the size of the hatch, you're the one that has to climb in and out of the boat in full gear many time a day while the boat is pitching and rolling. Also someone has to get you out of it in an emergency. By putting the hatch on the bulkhead the way you have it water can possible get in coming over the stern. Better to build it out a foot or so with a reverse coaming at bottom to direct the water away from bottom of hatch.
Now I see the design change with the angled bulkhead and hatch. Very practical, functional and strong. My only question would be that if you would find yourself twisting your way in and out through the hatch. Maybe if you can go 2 - 4 more inches wide? And yes, a porthole is definitely a must on the hatch. Wishing you and Mrs. Rover a very Peaceful and Merry Christmas.
The hatch door could by lexan or plexiglas in the thickness of the plywood with a gasket frame on perimeter allowing view through the hatch and extreme strength
Merry Christmas from Victoria! Happy Holidays to the Wave Rover family. Rest up well because we're all hoping for great progress in 2023. Your sails will be singing and winging you across blue waters in the very near future. We so enjoy watching you bring us all along on the build and then the Adventure!
Merry Christmas to you and yours, I would go for a door that will be large enough for you to get thru with your heaviest clothes and life jacket on keep those in mind!
Merry Christmas to you and Mrs Rover- thank you for sharing all your creations during 2022 and I am sure we are all looking forward to an amazing 2023 cracking on with success.
@@RoversAdventure I see the latest released video, filmed sometime last month already, has arrived to this point! This idea comes from Thomas E. Colvin's book "Cruising wrinkles" so I can't take the credit. He was also a fan of deleting the cockpit for a stronger structure and more usable internal volume. I tried to link to a scan of the relevant section in the book but it doesn't look like hyperlinks are enabled in the comment section. Perhaps I shall try sending a separate message.
I would just put something like Lewmar Ocean series deck hatch opening upwards. It’ll be watertight and it covers the opening when opened. Gives you good visibility too
Merry Xmas to you and Mrs Rover. Regarding the hatch, it should be watertight, easy to open/close even in the dark and even with your best hand disabled (ask the cops about training to shoot with the weak hand !) and very strong to cope with a big wave. Of course, the size will fit your body when equipped with foul weather gear. Maybe the shape could have an influence on the overall strengh (rounded better than square ?). Being able to see through might be useful 😄
Given the style and intent of this boat the hinged hatch door seems like a good idea. You could design and make (or buy) two or thee swivel cammed latches to dog it down nice and tight and waterproof. After your last “unscheduled bath” at sea I’m sure you’re into that idea! 😅
I too like the Hasler-McLeod pram hood concept. However - regarding your door with a porthole idea. Makes good sense. Would a perspex or clear acrylic door work?
Hello, I like what you are doing. I just saw some videos of people who are sailing going through the Panama canal and they had to bring on four people to handle the ropes and one advisor for getting through both parts of the canal locks. How is boat going to accommodate this? I have sailed on twenty six foot boat and that was on a great lake. They also needed to motor through the process sometimes attached to another boat maintaining about six knot's. Are you going to be able to handle this with your setup?
I like the original Compagnionway best. You enter and exit vertically, which is much easier, especially in rough seas or when your body is not as fresh and fruity due to fatigue. Your new idea requires you to be a contortionist
When I think about entrance, there are a couple of important things to me: 1. Water protection; 2. Can I look through it? 3. Can I close it quickly, seeing wave? 4. Can I stand in it, staying inside? Will I have a good access to everything I need? 5. Can I lock it in open state? 6. Can I see all of the instruments, when I'm both inside and outside? 7. Does it eats space outside when it's open? There are a lot of examples of good hatches in globe 5.80 community and a lot of them are actually good. Door is great, when you have steps inside and sloped entrance bulkhead and you think about all of the instruments accessible from both deck and cabin. And I would just cut an hole and buy some door-style acrylic hatch 🙂. P.S. Happy holidays! 🎄
I'm medium sized (maybe 2 inches taller than you) and I've just measured my shoulders and they are 20 inches wide with no shirt. If I was wearing warm clothes and foul weather gear I think that a 20 inch hatch would be too small. Have you got an old piece of sheet material that you can cut to make a 20 inch wide hatch and then dress up as you would for going on deck in a storm to try the fit? If it's too tight make it an inch wider and try again until you get a comfortable fit without being so wide that it starts impacting on the strength of the structure. I would be tempted to put portlights either side of the hatch to get more light and slightly different viewing angles. Have a great Christmas.
I'm hoping you are doing alright, looking forward to watching more of the completing of the 650. I built a wind vane off your old video, works well. Thanks Ron
Happy to hear that!
I'm publishing this video a day early as we are expecting a big storm tonight and tomorrow which may knock out our power. Enjoy and Merry Christmas from all of us at Rover HQ.
batten down those hatches. Have a great xmas , thanks for the video.
We drove back from Boston today, a doctor's appointment for my wife. I had a post op visit with my surgeon yesterday. All is well but I keep forgetting that my "mature" body needs time to heal.
After taking some acetaminophen, I got to sit down and watch a Wave Rover episode. The pain is now gone. Such are the powers of Wave Rover! 😉
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Mrs. Wave Rover!
We're watching that storm, too.
The wind howling in the background is awesome.
I like the shortened intro. After watching a lot of TH-cam, I've reached the conclusion that very quick title sequences are the best. My favorites are the ones that simply tell the viewer what channel they're on for like 3 seconds or less, and then get on with it. Like the Wave Rover herself, smaller is better.
The wind is music in my ears. Nature pure.
I’m a fan of your cockpit-less design; it will shed water fast and add strength. I suggest your lifelines/rails are up-sized to increase the protection factor against being swept off the aft deck. Add some height with an extra rail/line surrounding the aft section. Also ensure ample bulwarks. These will make your movements to & from your favoured aft seat safer, by having a decent sized protective enclosure.
Really like the new intro, excellent!
Goodonyas!
Thank you very much!
The sound of that cold wind blowing is just miserable. As a South Floridian, I can't imagine living in those conditions. I can hear the motiving factor for building a boat to sail to warmer places.
Gosh. That snowstorm outside sounds vicious.
I love the coffee mug!
Alan, another great video! I'm a big fan of a small opening ports built into the hatchway for when it gets lively. The actual opening can be determined by donning your bulky foulweather gear and seeing what is required for an easy but safe passage into and out of the cabin.
The camber and the angle of that bulkhead are so very nice and I agree will make for a strong structure. Blondie Hasler is smiling down on you with this modification.
In closing for now ,Merry Christmas to you both, weather this next big blow safe and warm in the new homestead.
Bios a cardboard mock up of the hatch arrangement, see how easy it is to get through and open.
Keep in mind a side hinge hatch may be harder to close on one tack. The hatch hinged at the top , though it may be heavy it could be self closing to some degree..
Perhaps a split set of door style, for the hatch might be considered too.
I like a hatch hinged at the top with gas struts so if a big one comes over the bow it will close the hatch automatically.
Gas Struts are too slow.
@@delukxy Yes, marine spring hinges are better.
I highly recommend mocking up your hatch/ladder/handhold layout in cardboard or plywood and trying it out yourself. You’ll be doing it many times per day in all weather as you know. Maybe it’s worth the physical testing to be sure it works for your ergonomics.
This is a good idea, a mock up will help you design the way out of this issue.
As long as you are happy thats all that matters, "Wave Rover" is YOUR vessel after all, not ours. Have a fantastic holiday season and may 2023 be a most awesome one for you and the family.
I have a side opening hatch on my boat. It really doesn't get in the way when open and gives me a handy half-way-out position for taking a quick look outside. Also I have a useful grabrail immediately above it which is a big help with egress/ingress. It opens to port and I will be able to reach through to my starboard mounted radio to starboard. It is an alloy/tinted acrylic Gebo deck hatch and gives a good view of the cockpit when closed.
I like the way the cabin is evolving. If you go for a side opening hatch, then the step you propose could also act as a doorstop. Also, when you suggest making the step double up as deck storage my first reaction is to make that storage for lines such as the halyard which you will have to keep neat and tidy when the sail is hoisted, you may have plans for this already though. Have you considered having a Hasler-McLeod style pram-hood observation hatch on the cabin top right above where you were standing in the video? It could prove very versatile and useful.
The question that comes to mind for the hatch opening direction is, which gives you the most weather protection. I’m visualising a mini spray hood that can be secured away during extreme weather. The vertical style opening like Wave Rover One vs door style opening? Vertical style opening appears to have a balance regardless of tack and can be held ajar with its weight for ventilation.
Happy Christmas to all at WR HQ.
Great observation Ray. I'm still thinking about it. I too liked the over head opening on the original Wave Rover. I'll have to check the clearances.
You might want to consider a double opening hatch. A bit easier to reach to close and less likely to be caught by the wind. The downside is getting a water tight seal in the middle. The convenience might be worth the additional complexity
I've been thinking yeah dangerous but if you could build in dorade vents into your deck boxes would add strength and more important in a small boat dry air. I still like the idea of the hatch box yes it is more work but could be made in a way that gives you a place to sit braced drinking your morning cuppa.
Thoughts from New Zealand
I am a proponent of the cabin door. Its a nice practical idea.
Merry Christmas!
Definitely a door style with a large port lite.
The cambered cabin top definitely adds some elegance, especially against the hard chines which can make a boat look boxy. Note: I know you're in a tight space, but can you try zooming the camera out so that we can see the cabin and the entire hull in the shot? Sometimes I got confused as to the whether I was looking forward or aft.
Thanks Kevin and I will try to get wider shots for sure. On a different note, we are expecting 40-50kt gusts this evening on PEI whilst you are enjoying sunny weather. Merry Christmas my friend.
@@RoversAdventure Tom says he had 40 knots, so looks like you're gonna beat him by 10. Lucky you. Merry Christmas! Yes, warm and sunny here.
@@howtosailoceans1423 sometimes the winner is really the loser. Great to hear that you are warm and dry.
I'm thinking of a hatch door that is something like a bank vault. The hinges can be arms which extend well past the opening. This will enable a much better seal when the hatch is closed.
I love this guy.. Alan, you are the man! Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas Alan!!!
Yeah! Takin advance of suitable weather is a good idea up here in north!
I would probably make some kind of small bump right on the hatch area to make it easier to climb up an allow standing straight even on small area. But I’m bit longer than you.
Watertight door sounds good. That bulkhead wall seems to be much steeper than on your previous boat, is it? (harder to open and manage upright openable hatch?).
But especially if you make the side steps, it’s important to think over how you can open and secure them well on open or closed position. I would (and will) make them with double doors. Smaller and lighter leaves that open to either side and easier to manage. But extra seam in the middle of course…
Merry Christmas Alan! Keep up the good work!
Looking good Alan. I was thinking. Now you have done away with the cockpit, why not move the aft face of the cabin back a bit. This will give you greater internal volume plus the hatch will be between the longitudinals where the cockpit was going to be. You could add a short bulkhead at the forward end of this area to restrict any water that comes in through the hatch and stop it entering the main cabin area. Just a thought. Wishing you and Mrs Rover a fantastick Christmas and a productive and successful New Year.
Happy Holidays to all the rovers and of course Mr &Mrs Rover from Cape Cod⛄🎄🎅🙋🙏🙏the wind in the background reminds me of that Christmas special with Burl Ives the snowman telling the story😁 " Oh , wake me when it's over " 😅
Regarding the 20" width for the hatch you asked for feedback on: I feel that the opening should be wider to accommodate when you're wearing heavy weather gear. Seems 20" is pretty narrow for regular clothing, anyway. Add that heavy stuff, and... tight or impossible fit.
She’s beautiful! Merry Christmas to Mrs. Rover and You. Also to the poultry!
Thank you again for all of the videos you have provided to us out here in YT land Alan. Have a very Merry Christmas. Hunker down and stay warm and safe with Mrs. Wave Rover and Mr. Speckles.
It do not matter what people think about the size of the hatch, you're the one that has to climb in and out of the boat in full gear many time a day while the boat is pitching and rolling. Also someone has to get you out of it in an emergency. By putting the hatch on the bulkhead the way you have it water can possible get in coming over the stern. Better to build it out a foot or so with a reverse coaming at bottom to direct the water away from bottom of hatch.
Now I see the design change with the angled bulkhead and hatch. Very practical, functional and strong. My only question would be that if you would find yourself twisting your way in and out through the hatch. Maybe if you can go 2 - 4 more inches wide? And yes, a porthole is definitely a must on the hatch.
Wishing you and Mrs. Rover a very Peaceful and Merry Christmas.
The hatch door could by lexan or plexiglas in the thickness of the plywood with a gasket frame on perimeter allowing view through the hatch and extreme strength
Can't wait to see
Maybe put an arch in the top of the hatch door that's the same as the camber of the roof? And radius corners would add durability.
Merry Christmas from Victoria! Happy Holidays to the Wave Rover family. Rest up well because we're all hoping for great progress in 2023. Your sails will be singing and winging you across blue waters in the very near future. We so enjoy watching you bring us all along on the build and then the Adventure!
Hey, Alan!
I hope, storm will not be too bad!
🌟Merry Christmas 🎄to you and your family! ☃️
Same to you!
Really like the new opening. Merry Christmas and happy New Years to you and Mrs. Wave Rover 🎄🍾🇨🇦
Merry Christmas to you and yours, I would go for a door that will be large enough for you to get thru with your heaviest clothes and life jacket on keep those in mind!
Merry Christmas to you and Mrs Rover- thank you for sharing all your creations during 2022 and I am sure we are all looking forward to an amazing 2023 cracking on with success.
Thanks so much Bernard. It's always such a pleasure to read your comments. Merry Christmas my friend.
The deck boxes you mentioned could also serve as dorade vents.
That's a great idea. I will be giving that a bit of a think.
@@RoversAdventure I see the latest released video, filmed sometime last month already, has arrived to this point! This idea comes from Thomas E. Colvin's book "Cruising wrinkles" so I can't take the credit. He was also a fan of deleting the cockpit for a stronger structure and more usable internal volume. I tried to link to a scan of the relevant section in the book but it doesn't look like hyperlinks are enabled in the comment section. Perhaps I shall try sending a separate message.
@@sietuuba Thank you. I have been thinking about it since you mentioned it.
@@RoversAdventure I sent you an email! I hope it helps with some inspiration.
@@sietuuba Could you try resending. Check that you put a "b" between alan and mulholland . alanbmulholland@gmail.com
I would just put something like Lewmar Ocean series deck hatch opening upwards. It’ll be watertight and it covers the opening when opened. Gives you good visibility too
This! ^
Make the hatch large enough to be able to put a cooler or whatever will eventually go inside through the opening.
My old 26 ft macgregor 26x has full standing heath with a center walk path
Have a great Christmas and New Year! Personally, I like the idea of a hatch hinged at the bottom:-) I'd go for 30" wide:-)
Merry Xmas to you and Mrs Rover. Regarding the hatch, it should be watertight, easy to open/close even in the dark and even with your best hand disabled (ask the cops about training to shoot with the weak hand !) and very strong to cope with a big wave. Of course, the size will fit your body when equipped with foul weather gear. Maybe the shape could have an influence on the overall strengh (rounded better than square ?). Being able to see through might be useful 😄
Given the style and intent of this boat the hinged hatch door seems like a good idea. You could design and make (or buy) two or thee swivel cammed latches to dog it down nice and tight and waterproof. After your last “unscheduled bath” at sea I’m sure you’re into that idea! 😅
Curves look good but from kayak experience water sheds better from angled arches I.e. rounded isosceles triangles.
I would make the hatch as large as practical, thinking about bulky rain gear clothing.
I wonder if it's possible to make a water tight sliding door hatch?
I too like the Hasler-McLeod pram hood concept. However - regarding your door with a porthole idea. Makes good sense. Would a perspex or clear acrylic door work?
Hello, I like what you are doing. I just saw some videos of people who are sailing going through the Panama canal and they had to bring on four people to handle the ropes and one advisor for getting through both parts of the canal locks. How is boat going to accommodate this? I have sailed on twenty six foot boat and that was on a great lake. They also needed to motor through the process sometimes attached to another boat maintaining about six knot's. Are you going to be able to handle this with your setup?
The plan for now is to put WR on a trailer (will be easy as she is a bilge keeler) and have her transported the 30-40miles to the other side.
I like the original Compagnionway best. You enter and exit vertically, which is much easier, especially in rough seas or when your body is not as fresh and fruity due to fatigue. Your new idea requires you to be a contortionist
I second this. Also, I'm not a fan of split pairs of doors. They're not as easy to make properly watertight, as people tend to think.
When I think about entrance, there are a couple of important things to me:
1. Water protection;
2. Can I look through it?
3. Can I close it quickly, seeing wave?
4. Can I stand in it, staying inside? Will I have a good access to everything I need?
5. Can I lock it in open state?
6. Can I see all of the instruments, when I'm both inside and outside?
7. Does it eats space outside when it's open?
There are a lot of examples of good hatches in globe 5.80 community and a lot of them are actually good.
Door is great, when you have steps inside and sloped entrance bulkhead and you think about all of the instruments accessible from both deck and cabin.
And I would just cut an hole and buy some door-style acrylic hatch 🙂.
P.S. Happy holidays! 🎄
I'm medium sized (maybe 2 inches taller than you) and I've just measured my shoulders and they are 20 inches wide with no shirt. If I was wearing warm clothes and foul weather gear I think that a 20 inch hatch would be too small. Have you got an old piece of sheet material that you can cut to make a 20 inch wide hatch and then dress up as you would for going on deck in a storm to try the fit? If it's too tight make it an inch wider and try again until you get a comfortable fit without being so wide that it starts impacting on the strength of the structure.
I would be tempted to put portlights either side of the hatch to get more light and slightly different viewing angles.
Have a great Christmas.
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