how to choose your dungeon crawl
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- Comparing d100 Dungeon, Four Against Darkness, 2d6 Dungeon and Ker Nathalas.
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It's pretty great how spoiled for choice we are these days with all of these amazing games!
Thank you so much for featuring Ker Nethalas again in one of your videos, and comparing it with these other amazing games (which I own and love, as one could imagine). I'm super happy by how much you like Ker Nethalas! If I had to pick a favorite from these four that isn't Ker Nethalas, it would have to be D100 Dungeon, simply because I'm a sucker for crunch and the game with all the expansions is just a thing of beauty.
Thank you for introducing me to Ker Nethalas! The game is amazing!
Glad you like it!
Yeah, me too!
I’m afraid this comment is going to be damning with faint praise, so you have my apologies up front. I haven’t watched all your videos, but of the ones I have, I think this is the most straightforward explanation of your internal thoughts you’ve put to video yet. You told us what you were going to discuss in the video and then you stuck to that throughout. Very organized of you this go round and very informative; I really appreciate it and especially the topic you’ve covered here. I’ve tried 4AD, 2d6 Dungeon and D100 Dungeon. I’ve had my virtual finger hovering over the “buy” button for Ker Nerthalas this week after your first video about it. I think I may have to stop hovering and (virtually) press that button.
Comparing apples to apples isn’t easy, especially when your audience is comprised of a horde of people that all like slightly different things about apples. ;-) You’ve done an excellent job avoiding the (pit-) traps of claiming (A) is better than (B) because of (X). Thank you for this one! :-D
I knew this would be a video for me when I saw the opening screenshot was of games I own! (4AD, 2D6 Dungeon, Ker Nethalas and D100 Dungeon). As always, love your content!
Any input on what which you prefer and why?
Super helpful video. Really appreciate being able to see the different game books as you talk through them and hearing your thoughts. I'm one of those people on the outskirts of dungeon crawling games -- curious but more comfortable with the more controlled world of board games, but i'm so curious about keeping my eye open for a more hybrid game. Keep the videos coming!
I think the dungeon crawling aspect in ker nethalas was left open on purpose so one can add either existing maps or other dungeon creation engines! The whole video thru I was screaming at the screen 'combine it with 2d6 Dungeons Tables or the d100 Dungeon maping game!' and in the end I was rewarded! 😅 I also beliebe in the new Zine for Ker there are actual new premade dungeons/domains which actually opens up so many design possibilities and maybe adresses your issue with the room descriptions! P.s.: if you would want to combine 2d6 with ker which books would you need? Just the one with the tables? Thx
I am not sure how the designer sells the 2d6 books, but the rules book is separate from the tables book, called the “Codex.“ If you were just going to use the tables, you would only need the Codex book, assuming he sells them separately.
Indeed, I always assume (maybe wrongly) that folks are going to homebrew and take my games apart, so I love it when I see them actually doing so and mixing things up with other cool games and systems.
There are tonnes of videos out there, as you say. But, this video is one of the best I've seen. It's a shame it took several days of research to find it. Just the right amount of information for what I, a beginner, need to know. Thank you. :)
So glad you found it! Not sure the TH-cam algorithm often favors my channel. :)
I am all-in D100 with all of the accessories and expansions and I think that it is truly superb. It also has the benefit of being around a bit longer with more expansions and content. However, it’s good to see more variety.
This is a great video! I decided to start my solo dungeon crawling with Four Against Darkness and so far I am loving it and will definitely be picking up expansions. I’m going to check out the other ones in this video as well.
I personally consider 4AD the best game to introduce folks to the world of solo gaming in general. Super easy to pick up and learn.
Thank you for helping me get into the solo ttrpg hobby - your videos, and those of a handful of others, have been a tremendous source of information and encouragement. And I love the crochet hook! I am starting with 2D6 dungeon and have Ker Nathalas and 4AD waiting. Also a fan of ShadowDark so will work on soloing that as well. I haven’t looked too closely at D100 yet.
Ker Nethalas is great! 4AD is pretty cool too! Have fun delving into the dungeons! I can confirm that Shadowdark is great to solo
@@AmazingAaxor I watch your videos also! I am looking forward to StarForged - I backed it too. The cursed oracle tables really caught my interest.
Wow, fantastic walkthrough of the four systems- thank u!
I do like your mapping and notebook style, very creative.
I have and like 4AD and D100D.
I love D100D Mapping Game.
D100 Dungeon supplies I deem essential
A Solo Adventuring Game (a must have)
like A Players guide
The Lost Tome Extraordinary like
Players handbook
The Dragons Return
like Monster manuel.
Mapping Game for the mapping tiles
Ive been searching up and down for a system you had covered. Though you didnt care for the "clues" mechanism very much I found it to be just what I was looking for! The book had those "pachment" colored pages and as clues were aquired you would roll a % to see if you discovered the answer, which would increase as you found clues. I know you've cover so much I dont expect youd recall.. but just in case!! Thank you for all the direction and inspiration you provide 🙏
Hmmm so sorry! I have 440+ vids! I can’t recall but maybe someone else will. Glad you enjoy my content
Very good video, I have all of these games and love them all but I think the break down is perfect.
I agree with your takes on 4 Against Darkness. I really like your house rule for leveling up. Nothing feels more defeating when you work hard to meet the requirements and fail your roll.
Totally! It is not a design choice I ever would have made!
I didn't know these existed until the last few days, when I came across Ker Nathalas. I am 4 rooms in and it's pretty good. I appreciate your video showing some other options.
I was really looking forward to such a video! Thank you!
excellent video,,,
What a wonderful video! I’ve just started with my first solo dungeon crawl, Ker Nethalas, and have ordered 2D6 Dungeon for my second adventure. Thanks for the great explanations and reviews! Looking forward to more of your work!
I have a couple of vids already posted on 2d6 if that interests you.
@@GeekGamers01 absolutely!! I’ll definitely take a look. Again, excellent job with your content and presentation! Keep up the great work!
I hope you enjoy Ker Nethalas!
Just started into Ker Nathalas and am getting set for my first play - i own 4 Against Darkness and ordered 2D6 weeks back thinking i would like that one more. After playing games like Notorious and other quick lite journal games (boring); i really need something that has depth and can grab me to continue playing. I almost bought D100 but with So many extras, just as you stated, i myself thought the game was now re-writing to expand rules to what it should have been over 8 books instead of 1, (if that makes sense). I own DragonBane and Coriolis (starforged, ironsworn, Cairn, Glide, etc...) on the sidelines, but am hoping Ker Nathalas is what i want. Thanks again for all your video reviews as they help the community and my own idiocy to find a game we all love.
I think you will really like Ker and suspect you made the right choice about d100. Will be interested to know how you feel about 2d6. I maybe in the minority in terms of how boring I think it is mechanically tho the tables are gems.
@@GeekGamers01 Have yet to receive 2D6 to play, but at least it should be better than Notorious and Outlands :) - Was going to ask if youve played something (Than i searched on your channel and saw you have videos on it all) Going back now and watching your Forbidden Lands, StarForge/Ironsworn, Scarlet Heroes, Etc.. . . I am coming into all these games late as I am a big Boardgame player and collector (1100+ games) and just started the ttrpg tunnel.
Hey there! I wanted to thank you for your contents. I recently have been sick and stuck in bed for weeks, but your videos and your voice kept me company and entertained me so much.
I started my first solo rpg using the Blade Runner rpg rules and your GM emulator book, and ir work like a charm. Keep those great contents going, and thanks for the many hours of entertainment you gave me during this hard moment ❤
Oh wow that is such a lovely comment to read and thank you for taking the time to write it. I’m so glad my work could help a bit when you have been sick and I do wish you all the best in a full recovery. Glad too to hear that you found my book of use and you were able to get enjoyment out of solo RPGing when you were stuck in bed. Here’s to healthier days in the future to you !
So Ker Nethalas will be!! They have released the first official issue with new content yesterday…
Nice illustration on these popular pen & paper games. I have them all but honestly drawn to 4AD and have house ruled it to add some of the advantages of the other games. I just love running a party over an individual. My imagination runs deeper with the concepts of reliance of a team. I've added surprise, initiative, armor depletion on a Defense 1 result, certain equipment that adds advantage against specific traps or encounter creature types... and many other house rules. I also added some oracle functions from Mythic GME 2.0. I also added encounter twists that get triggered on the 2nd round if a 1 is rolled on a Twists Check. Now I have a robust experience and still have 4 characters.
you ruined me with your Fantasy Trip recomendation for solo haha, can`t find anything as fulfilling and I always end up playing Death test and the old Metagame programmed adventures. I will forever be grateful for that video of yours!
An oldie but a goodie video. Thanks!
Another fantastic video. Its ker nethalas all the way for me although i will use your suggestion from your Ker Nethalas review and use 2d6 dungeon's tables to beef out the rooms.
I feel the same about D100 Dungeon. It's a fantastic forever game. But once you get past your first half-dozen dungeons it can really feel like a grind with little to look forward to--other than more-dangerous monsters to roll. However, I do think that the dungeon tiles are essential to the game. I've played it quite a bit just rolling on Table M and the repetition is not as beneficial to gameplay as a set of tiles that you can only draw once per dungeon.
I’ve played all of these. Mechanics are, ultimately, what distinguishes them. Some I like, some I don’t - and that’s why I’ve cobbled together my own hybrid with the mechanics I like. I only keep buying more of these games in hopes of finding new mechanics to integrate into my homebrew. And although it took some time, making a game with only my own preferences was well worth it
Amazing video, thank you!
My favorite dungeon crawl game is and will prob alway be Notequest. It's so simples and so much fun, I just love it!
Glad you enjoyed the video and I love Notequest too. I’ve done a vid featuring it…but I can’t remember what I called that vid. Unfortunately it didn’t have Notequest in the name… I do remember that
I’m very excited for this video! It’s just the right length 😂
4:40, you're so wrong! Character sheets really do it for me 😂
Haha! Lol! Love it!
haha I'm glad I'm not the only one who salivates at the sight of a good character sheet!
Really interesting to hear you say d100 has interesting combat with more variance. The complete lack of variation in combat is what made me peter out on the game. Every single attack is exactly the same, and there are no options for what to do… In 2d6 Dungeon, at least you can use your brain a little bit to manage the shifts. Overall, I have the same complaint about 2d6 Dungeon-both are just using basically the same attack & weapon over and over again, but it was weird to hear you praise one over the other. I like that Ker Nethalas at least gives you special powers to choose from (d100 has spells, but they're so situational & costly). I hope there'll be someday be a procedurally generated solo game (1 character) that actually lets me feel like I'm making strategic decisions during conflicts. REAP is great, except that the scenarios are consumable.
I think the combat Ker Nathalas is far and away the best of all of them. The combat in D100 is (IMO) much better than that of 2D6. That said, it is not as good as the combat in four against darkness. So I would put the combat as best in Ker, followed by 4AD, and then down to d100 and 2d6.
I tried to add interesting twists to combat in Ker Nethalas, and I think I reached the limit of what's possible while keeping it abstract or TotM. Anything more complex and we must get into actual tactical combat, with positioning and that sort of thing (which I love, as a matter of fact my "space dungeon crawler" Across a Thousand Dead Worlds offers that sort of combat).
You could make my choice :) I own all four of the designs seen in the opening. Four Against Darkness if you absolutely must have a cliche 'party'. D100 if you just want it to be your dude against the game. Both are solid purchases. Recently got Ker Nathalas. Looking forward to it. I think after getting the game, the next best decision if pick a fun quiet place to enjoy your game time.
2D6 Dungeon offers our favorite combat system, of the games discussed in this video.
I love Four Against Darkness! I can't wait to get more books for it!
I know the feeling! I keep buying new books in the series….I believe that is how it slowly became the game I have spent the most money on.
@@GeekGamers01 The only book that I am not sure about is the adventure about the 3 rings. It slowly just got a bit boring. I right away had to change some things, and found some errors in the book that slowed down the flow of the game. Other then that I still want to play it!
@messenger3478 I never bought that one…
I want to recommend you check out the module for OSE "Escape from Miklagard", which plays like "Gardens of Yinn" or "Castle Gargantua" but the premise is to have a collapsing and rioting fantasy metropolis as a dungeon.
Respectfully disagree on the 2d6 combat. I thought the shift mechanism gave a real organic feel to combat and represented fighting skill very well. That laborer with one shift point is noticeably less able to hit than mighty adventurer me with 2. Only one weapon feels like a limitation, but as you mention you get more and better maneuvers, and shift ability, so progress feels very real. Suggest people check out an actual play to see it in action.
4AD was my first solo dungeon crawl. I think it's a very friendly entry point system.
2d6 Dungeon has replaced D100 Dungeon for me. D100 has too much to track for me and it also suffered for having so many expansion books, with half the modules I didn’t want to include. It just took too much effort and space to flip through all the books to find the rules or tables I needed.
Just started my journey with 4AD. Going to start slow and add expansions as I go. I don't have D100...yet? 2D6 and Ker Nethalas will be next. Really looking forward to Ker Nethalas. Not sure I'll be as big on 2D6. Time will tell. P.S. I just ordered the Solo GM's Guide. Can't wait.
Thanks for your support!
Right from the start the video quality seems improved. Did you get new gear?
Thanks for noticing! I recorded with a different setting for improved quality…
@@GeekGamers01 very nice!
Once again, great video! You're always intelligently informative.
Thank you!
Thanks, this comparison video is timely and useful... my analysis paralysis has been cured 😅
Question: what would be your suggestions to making Mork Borg a full fledged dungeon crawl game?
Glad you enjoyed the vid and you ask a timely question. MB, as you may know, grew out of a dungeon crawl called Dark Fort. I have plans on doing a Dark Fort+ video very soon, maybe even next.
I didn't know MB's origin... looking forward to your next vid 😊
Ah, you DO have Five Leagues From the Borderlands, I see it over there! Are you going to play it?
I personally think Parsecs would fit your style of games better. It's less dense and more flexible, and one can enjoy a lot of it even by restricting/limiting/summarizing the tabletop encounter part.
Ah good spotting! I do have it! I bought it a little while ago tho it was hard to find. I have played it a bit and enjoyed it but never made a vid. It’s on the list tho…
I've started playing 4 against darkness and I'm having a blast and also have ker nethalas but haven't started yet. I don't like the dungeon design of D100. Great video.
Ker Nathalas is your favourite, bu you use 2d6 Dungeon rules..?
I use 2d6 TABLES, not rules… I don’t care for the 2d6 rules very much. So I use all of Ker and supplement it with tables and flavor from 2d6 + the “inventive usage” rule to provide a way to have mechanized interaction with the environment based on a die role.
Sorry, I meant tables. Ok so there’s not an all in one solution. I already have 4AD and 2D6D (though I’ve not played 2D6D yet) so I guess I need to get Ker Nathalas now 😅
hooray!!
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2D6 Dungeon - I skip it because I believe the combat wasn't going to be interesting...
4 Against Darkness - Too many expansions to invest... Simplified gameplay, abstracted combat, I guess?
D100 Dungeon - Most old school among others... Less spells, more physical combat...?
Ker Nathalas - I like Skill Based system; combat seems like advanced Fighting Fantasy; not much spells; no Ranged attack; plays like Traditional Roguelike (Rogue | Hack | Moria | Larn | Omega)...
Also Ker Nathalas is newer, not too much investment, but I wonder if designer will continue to expand the game or not... I hope all the flavors will get effects on gameplay, especially character's background, dungeon surroundings... Really hope characters can manipulate surroundings during combat... More real unique spells, and Ranged weapons system...
I agree with you that I hope the designer will stick with KN to create more specific content for it & you make some great suggestions as to ways to do that.
@@jupiterloner999 there's a zine released for Ker Nethalas already, and I am definitely planning on expanding it for years to come!
@@blackoathentertainment5617 Wow good day! Do you visit BGG frequently? I do wish to suggest some ideas... 😅