thanks for demonstrating this. the crosley autoclub actually has the manual for the IcyBall on their website. when its fully charged it whistles like a teakettle.
After doing some research people have reconstructed this design to include pressure gauges, check valves, and isolation valves. Sadly nothing on TH-cam yet. The solar heater concept would be a great addition to revisit their upgraded version of the icy ball. Maybe even automate the cooling with a geo thermal recirculating loop to minimize the cooling tank size with an additional heating tank to run the system continuously when the other is down.
I wonder if we can make solar thermal to cooling campervan. Maybe it s like a glass tube with parabolic inside to gain heat from sun light then the cooling system is able to cool inside car.
@@aanplg I've heard that without the chiller box the temperature of the cold side dissipates rather quickly compared to the 8 hours it claims to cool for. The chiller box is maybe a 2.5 cubic feet. compared to a much larger van with inferior insulation I'd imagine you'd need multiple of them to even have an affect. However adding a manifold with multiple reaction tanks would seem possible.
absolutely love that you presented this, i have been meaning to look into ammonia boil off cooling thing and now here it is. THIS and the 'zeer pot' are the only 2 off-grid cooling methods i am aware of. again thank you filling in this piece of missing info for me.
If you're looking to use this off grid, be mindful of the fact that ammonia will eat copper in the presence of air and oxidation. (it forms Tollen's reagent for the chem savvy.) Other things can be used, but ammonia is prefered in vintage systems because it forms a mixture with water that can get very cold before freezing and was one of the first chemical compounds known. The youtube channel "Applied Science" has a method for doing this that involves rubber bands, if you're interested.
If a Stirling motor is rotated by an external energy source (windmill?), one side will warm and the other will cool; that might qualify as an "off-grid" method to provide actual refrigeration.
Nice demo. There's one of these on display (along with an original ad and a diagram of how it works) in the permanent Crosley exhibit at the National Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting in West Chester, OH, close to Cincinnati.
I'd also be interested in videos about Einstein refrigerators (RV), and adsorption coolers (ammonia and a dessicant as opposed to water). I've researched all of this at one point but I'd love to actually see it done.
I love it! My grandparents, then parents, and now I, have the one pictured in your video. They said they always heated it on the wood cook stove. I tried to get it to work, but never got the ball to frost. I have heard the chest freezer type was a more commonly sold.
There’s a whistle on the cold ball that sounds off when the pressure reaches 250 PSI during the recharge cycle that tells you when the recharge (heating) is complete.
This is appallingly dangerous, to be leaking- and by design no less! Ammonia was not as known back then as it is now, to be so poisonous. It killed many families and workers, and so had to be regulated. Requires a licence now.
Way cool. I found one and immediately wanted to test it 😂. I will, but with safety in mind. Also: A 24oz can of Modelo Chelada fits nicely in the "ice-hole" seems a little coincidental.
I never knew Absorbtion Fridges could work that way. Without the regenerator loop. I have wanted to make one that runs on Ammonia distilled from urine for a while now and this way would be a lot simpler to construct. As well as more practical for a simple concentrated solar rig. No need to use heat transfer fluids of have the focal point aimed at the fridge.... Thanks for sharing! Imagine how cool a fridge that uses sunlight and pee would be!
Hey about the RV fridge, why not doing a thermal pannel the size of the fridge, giving all its heat true a heat tube to the flame heating point ? You've got almost all the material !!
You can actually use different working fluids for this besides ammonia, but, for vintage purposes, ammonia is alright. That ball looks like steel. Is it stainless or just cast iron?
pretty much how I made my solar absorption chiller solar lense superheats oil drum that has ammonia filled coils with a return that goes into my water tank , great for our aussie summers and costs nothing to keep my rooms at 25 C ( 38-45 deg without it ..)
50 years ago we had a refrigerator that ran on natural gas. Is this the same RV Refrigeration that you mention in the video? When it finally broke we bought an electric one. Love your videos, going to build a Solar heater for my Green house using your ideas and methods. Thinking about installing a black granite slab inside the collector so it will store and release heat at night. What do you think?
Hi Meno, If it used gas then it was absorption process. We had one in an RV when I was a 3 years old. The slabs are a great idea. Anything with mass works great. We have used 50 gallon drums of water and flat mirrors on the north side to add surface area to the interior. No need for concentrated light with a big area like a greenhouse.
They are an antique, no one makes them anymore. I am selling this one for $1,200 (about the cost because it is an antique). A better option would be an RV refrigerator that runs on propane. You just need to know where to focus the light and use extreme caution. More of a novelty as a small fridge + some solar panels and an inverter (120v only) work great.
hey Dan I'm a broke college student and I'd love to get a fernel lens or parabolic mirror to play with. I've seen most of your videos and I'm completely jealous of how successful you seem to be when it comes to playing with light. I can't afford to order a big lens or mirror off your website is there somewhere I can go to buy a big solar toy in my price range?
Hi, Email me through our website. I have some "scratch and dent" lenses and mirrors. that are cosmetically challenged but work just as well as the mint lenses. We save them for college projects. Let me know what you need and I can see what I have.
Dear Dan and Denise, please reach out to the King of Random, Grant Thompson; he and his other TH-cam friends could use your knowledge with so many subjects. Plus together you guys can show viewers how to be responsible and to use these powerful items to make this world a better place. Thank you. Peace and love, ces
I was in contact with Grant in his early days of his channel. The group with viral videos have moved on and sort of do their own thing. Tried the viral format and it did not work out for us so we stick to our science projects.
It does not have the full volatile ammonia needed. This mirror is more than enough equalling 1000 watt equivalent of an electric burner and 9x what the kerosene burner can do. There was no safety valve so I do not like boiling things in sealed containers for obvious reasons. This is an antique and just a test.
Use an electromagnet to rotate a magnetic field and use Gadolinium to generate ultra cold temperature's that can pull Argon gas from a solid state sponge fuel cell and turn the Argon gas into a super cold liquid that fill's an insulated tank with the stirling cold gas cylinders inside the tank. Now design a V-6 stirling cold gas engine with two fly wheel's. Attach automatic transmission to each fly wheel. Rewire two large drum motor's into a electrical power generation configuration replace bearing's with magnetic bearing's and attach generator's to automatic transmission's. Use an organic carbon power cell to start the electrical power generator then have a circuit that flip's on to generate more liquid Argon gas powered off one of the electrical power generator's. Incorporate antivibrstion technology currently being used in Skill saw recipercating saws and add in magnetic bearing's to all moving part's on cold gas engine. Gadolinium magnetic bearing's on all moving part's. You should have an electrical power generator that power itself run for hour's that requires no fossil fuels or lubercant's. This concept can be modified to provide electrical power air conditioning water chilling water pumps for a hydroponic green house. 😊
DAN I see hobo videos not real true hobo they are more scenery tramps than actual hobo. They have cell phone, headlamp,cameras, and worse they encounter freezing literally below freezing temps high winds and just what they can carry to keep warm. I suggested they get an alternator C clamp and make it where the rubber wheel on the alternator can contact the wheel of the train that or the axle maybe a wind generator any of these could work or if they wanted to they could lower a belt in front the axle the belt would be blown back by the wind and they could then lower a magnet pull the belt up to the top and screw the belt on and hold on to their alternator this way. The alternator would recharge a lithium ion battery pack that has 110V AC out and can be used to jump start a car but you really want it for the power source to recharge cell phone lights and camera. I know a lightweight system can be made they are already putting out rechargeable lights that are the size of a AAA battery have portable way to recharge and are over 150 lumens. Dan should decide to take this mission you would have to set up a train hop situation and demonstrate how this can be done maybe some field work of getting near trains and finding the dimensions of a train. The way that would probably work best is the belt around the axle way it would be the safest in that you are lowering the belt in front the axle then use a stick and magnet to catch the belt that belt will sit there and not engage until you used your stick with alternator to get it to spin the moment it starts to spin you can collect power. A cane can serve as the mount for the alternator. You would not be recommending freight train hopping but you would show how people that are already doing this can have more power than they can use enough power to actually dump the extra power into a heating pad strapped to the back to warm core. Sure a train hopper can carry a solar panel but panels have very limited time to be used if you are in the snow and cold you are not going to get a panel to charge your stuff but if you are on a moving train you will have power as long as that train moves and if you watch the video these puppies really move.
Will become part of our roof rafter art:-) No plans of cutting. Thank you for the safety tip. These are really vintage and I have always been concerned someone would pick one up and test it in a camp fire or something. The RV fridge project is a lot smaller volumes and works better. Best Regards Dan
Greatly disturbed by how much you stated that is completely wrong son. God bless you that you didnt blow it and you up. "This side gets put into a bath of water". False. "Every 8 hours replace the kerosene heater or refill." False A parabolic, without smart control on temperature rise or limit? DANGEROUS. You took a great idea product, learned nothing of its nature or usage, and made it look silly... Total failure here.
Great video. It always amazes me the innovative ways that people got around the technological limitations of the time.
I have watched you for years. Always impressive!
thanks for demonstrating this. the crosley autoclub actually has the manual for the IcyBall on their website. when its fully charged it whistles like a teakettle.
Awesome find! I have only heard about these but never seen one. Thanks for sharing.
After doing some research people have reconstructed this design to include pressure gauges, check valves, and isolation valves. Sadly nothing on TH-cam yet. The solar heater concept would be a great addition to revisit their upgraded version of the icy ball. Maybe even automate the cooling with a geo thermal recirculating loop to minimize the cooling tank size with an additional heating tank to run the system continuously when the other is down.
I wonder if we can make solar thermal to cooling campervan. Maybe it s like a glass tube with parabolic inside to gain heat from sun light then the cooling system is able to cool inside car.
@@aanplg I've heard that without the chiller box the temperature of the cold side dissipates rather quickly compared to the 8 hours it claims to cool for.
The chiller box is maybe a 2.5 cubic feet. compared to a much larger van with inferior insulation I'd imagine you'd need multiple of them to even have an affect. However adding a manifold with multiple reaction tanks would seem possible.
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absolutely love that you presented this, i have been meaning to look into ammonia boil off cooling thing and now here it is. THIS and the 'zeer pot' are the only 2 off-grid cooling methods i am aware of. again thank you filling in this piece of missing info for me.
If you're looking to use this off grid, be mindful of the fact that ammonia will eat copper in the presence of air and oxidation. (it forms Tollen's reagent for the chem savvy.)
Other things can be used, but ammonia is prefered in vintage systems because it forms a mixture with water that can get very cold before freezing and was one of the first chemical compounds known.
The youtube channel "Applied Science" has a method for doing this that involves rubber bands, if you're interested.
thank you, i will look into this.
If a Stirling motor is rotated by an external energy source (windmill?), one side will warm and the other will cool; that might qualify as an "off-grid" method to provide actual refrigeration.
Great Info :D glad to have you making videos again! Cheers!!
wow very neat. I had no idea that these devices existed. What a *cool* piece of history.
Nice demo. There's one of these on display (along with an original ad and a diagram of how it works) in the permanent Crosley exhibit at the National Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting in West Chester, OH, close to Cincinnati.
I'd also be interested in videos about Einstein refrigerators (RV), and adsorption coolers (ammonia and a dessicant as opposed to water). I've researched all of this at one point but I'd love to actually see it done.
being able to use a parabolic trough reflector to supply the heat energy would make the einstein refrigerator an amazing tool
wow, super cool. glad i subscribed. never heard of a Crosley IcyBall before :U!
Fantastic video I would love to learn more about this or how to make one myself.
New subscriber 😁
I love it! My grandparents, then parents, and now I, have the one pictured in your video. They said they always heated it on the wood cook stove. I tried to get it to work, but never got the ball to frost. I have heard the chest freezer type was a more commonly sold.
There’s a whistle on the cold ball that sounds off when the pressure reaches 250 PSI during the recharge cycle that tells you when the recharge (heating) is complete.
This is appallingly dangerous, to be leaking- and by design no less! Ammonia was not as known back then as it is now, to be so poisonous. It killed many families and workers, and so had to be regulated. Requires a licence now.
Way cool. I found one and immediately wanted to test it 😂.
I will, but with safety in mind.
Also:
A 24oz can of Modelo Chelada fits nicely in the "ice-hole" seems a little coincidental.
I never knew Absorbtion Fridges could work that way. Without the regenerator loop. I have wanted to make one that runs on Ammonia distilled from urine for a while now and this way would be a lot simpler to construct. As well as more practical for a simple concentrated solar rig. No need to use heat transfer fluids of have the focal point aimed at the fridge.... Thanks for sharing!
Imagine how cool a fridge that uses sunlight and pee would be!
You can also use parabolic mirrors to cool things on clear nights, using the sky as an Infra-red heat sink by channelling heat outwards into space.
Uh... what?
cool. there are actually plans floating around online on how to make them.
Hi Dan, did you get around to making a video showing solar running an RV refrigerator? Couldn't find it if you did...
Awesome, you real know how to build up suspense.
happy new year!
Have you found a way to store that heat?
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Excellent !!!!
Right on Dan great video! have you ever tried a thermal block with stacked TEG plates?
did search... did not see RV absorption fridge / parabolic mirror set up yet. Interested ...
Have not done it. Looking for a used DOMETIC. local. The cost needs to be sub $300 as the videos we do on youtube are no longer profitable.
@@GREENPOWERSCIENCE Would love to see that video even if it is somewhere else instead
@@GREENPOWERSCIENCE badadbadeeeee lol.... still interested in this
Hey about the RV fridge, why not doing a thermal pannel the size of the fridge, giving all its heat true a heat tube to the flame heating point ? You've got almost all the material !!
You can actually use different working fluids for this besides ammonia, but, for vintage purposes, ammonia is alright. That ball looks like steel. Is it stainless or just cast iron?
pretty much how I made my solar absorption chiller
solar lense superheats oil drum that has ammonia filled coils with a return that goes into my water tank , great for our aussie summers and costs nothing to keep my rooms at 25 C
( 38-45 deg without it ..)
Nice !! Is it possible to see any plan on your device ? I'love to realise one myself !!
Great vids! Btw, where are you guys located?
Very interesting!
Plus, I forgot to tell you that I love you and Denise. I would love to come visit and tell you about what I do. Thank you.
Cool. I want to build one.
Very interesting.
50 years ago we had a refrigerator that ran on natural gas. Is this the same RV Refrigeration that you mention in the video? When it finally broke we bought an electric one. Love your videos, going to build a Solar heater for my Green house using your ideas and methods. Thinking about installing a black granite slab inside the collector so it will store and release heat at night. What do you think?
Hi Meno,
If it used gas then it was absorption process. We had one in an RV when I was a 3 years old. The slabs are a great idea. Anything with mass works great. We have used 50 gallon drums of water and flat mirrors on the north side to add surface area to the interior. No need for concentrated light with a big area like a greenhouse.
GREENPOWERSCIENCE please make a telescope with one of your mirrors
Thanks i've never seen one of those. How did it work in the cabinet? It doesn't look like the balls con be reversed.
Hi Brian,
Just the cold side was placed inside. The heating process usually took place in a water bucket and small burner outside.
Very cool!
Install a pressure gauge on there.
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A pressure relief valve that vents to an overflow tank of some type would help as well if you’re worried about the pressure getting too high
Definitely built, designed pre- OSHA....... 😮
HI ¡
Where can I buy that refrigerator?
They are an antique, no one makes them anymore. I am selling this one for $1,200 (about the cost because it is an antique). A better option would be an RV refrigerator that runs on propane. You just need to know where to focus the light and use extreme caution. More of a novelty as a small fridge + some solar panels and an inverter (120v only) work great.
thanks
hey Dan I'm a broke college student and I'd love to get a fernel lens or parabolic mirror to play with. I've seen most of your videos and I'm completely jealous of how successful you seem to be when it comes to playing with light. I can't afford to order a big lens or mirror off your website is there somewhere I can go to buy a big solar toy in my price range?
Hi,
Email me through our website. I have some "scratch and dent" lenses and mirrors. that are cosmetically challenged but work just as well as the mint lenses. We save them for college projects. Let me know what you need and I can see what I have.
run the dumps or classifieds, eventually you'll find a projector tv for cheap or free, inside is the gold your after
Dear Dan and Denise, please reach out to the King of Random, Grant Thompson; he and his other TH-cam friends could use your knowledge with so many subjects. Plus together you guys can show viewers how to be responsible and to use these powerful items to make this world a better place. Thank you. Peace and love, ces
I was in contact with Grant in his early days of his channel. The group with viral videos have moved on and sort of do their own thing. Tried the viral format and it did not work out for us so we stick to our science projects.
all I can think about is how your hands must smell like metal after touching that
Hola Dany por favor un vídeo en español.😀🎅🙏🙏🙏🙏 para este año.
rv fridges will run off a frinell lens?!
does anyone know the value of this item
LINK ME SOME PAPERS PLEASE!
Still the only one doing this?
"unless you know what your doing , you could really hurt yourself"....... that's what she said..
I could see you working with therealmartian channel
I bet you watch Cody's lab too! Love science.
I would say it didn't work like it was suppose to. The temperature he got was nowhere near making ice. which he said it should do. Just saying.
It does not have the full volatile ammonia needed. This mirror is more than enough equalling 1000 watt equivalent of an electric burner and 9x what the kerosene burner can do. There was no safety valve so I do not like boiling things in sealed containers for obvious reasons. This is an antique and just a test.
built a new one yet
Come back Dan-O
Info very good. But don't ya wish?
Use an electromagnet to rotate a magnetic field and use Gadolinium to generate ultra cold temperature's that can pull Argon gas from a solid state sponge fuel cell and turn the Argon gas into a super cold liquid that fill's an insulated tank with the stirling cold gas cylinders inside the tank. Now design a V-6 stirling cold gas engine with two fly wheel's. Attach automatic transmission to each fly wheel. Rewire two large drum motor's into a electrical power generation configuration replace bearing's with magnetic bearing's and attach generator's to automatic transmission's. Use an organic carbon power cell to start the electrical power generator then have a circuit that flip's on to generate more liquid Argon gas powered off one of the electrical power generator's. Incorporate antivibrstion technology currently being used in Skill saw recipercating saws and add in magnetic bearing's to all moving part's on cold gas engine. Gadolinium magnetic bearing's on all moving part's. You should have an electrical power generator that power itself run for hour's that requires no fossil fuels or lubercant's. This concept can be modified to provide electrical power air conditioning water chilling water pumps for a hydroponic green house. 😊
watch mosquito coast Harrison Ford explains it all ice from fire
DAN I see hobo videos not real true hobo they are more scenery tramps than actual hobo. They have cell phone, headlamp,cameras, and worse they encounter freezing literally below freezing temps high winds and just what they can carry to keep warm. I suggested they get an alternator C clamp and make it where the rubber wheel on the alternator can contact the wheel of the train that or the axle maybe a wind generator any of these could work or if they wanted to they could lower a belt in front the axle the belt would be blown back by the wind and they could then lower a magnet pull the belt up to the top and screw the belt on and hold on to their alternator this way. The alternator would recharge a lithium ion battery pack that has 110V AC out and can be used to jump start a car but you really want it for the power source to recharge cell phone lights and camera. I know a lightweight system can be made they are already putting out rechargeable lights that are the size of a AAA battery have portable way to recharge and are over 150 lumens.
Dan should decide to take this mission you would have to set up a train hop situation and demonstrate how this can be done maybe some field work of getting near trains and finding the dimensions of a train. The way that would probably work best is the belt around the axle way it would be the safest in that you are lowering the belt in front the axle then use a stick and magnet to catch the belt that belt will sit there and not engage until you used your stick with alternator to get it to spin the moment it starts to spin you can collect power. A cane can serve as the mount for the alternator.
You would not be recommending freight train hopping but you would show how people that are already doing this can have more power than they can use enough power to actually dump the extra power into a heating pad strapped to the back to warm core.
Sure a train hopper can carry a solar panel but panels have very limited time to be used if you are in the snow and cold you are not going to get a panel to charge your stuff but if you are on a moving train you will have power as long as that train moves and if you watch the video these puppies really move.
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you are gravely mistacken if you think that device is not under preasuer just because it is not being heated...
It cooled (cooling process), pressure drops. Not saying it is at atmospheric pressure, but not high.
Weight changes too from one side to the other.
just didnt want u 2 cut in to it or anything, amonia gas is hihly compressable.. and highly corrosive, but be honest i reallly do not know ...
Will become part of our roof rafter art:-) No plans of cutting. Thank you for the safety tip. These are really vintage and I have always been concerned someone would pick one up and test it in a camp fire or something. The RV fridge project is a lot smaller volumes and works better.
Best Regards
Dan
Greatly disturbed by how much you stated that is completely wrong son. God bless you that you didnt blow it and you up.
"This side gets put into a bath of water". False. "Every 8 hours replace the kerosene heater or refill." False
A parabolic, without smart control on temperature rise or limit? DANGEROUS.
You took a great idea product, learned nothing of its nature or usage, and made it look silly... Total failure here.
I keep getting unsubscribed
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