It's important for some horses to stretch down and do horse yoga without the weight of a rider on their back. As long as the horse is comfortable with it and it ISN'T TOO TIGHT I have found it helpful, especially with horses that have tightness in their lower back.
I have this training aid ,and my 5 year old ottb mare works really well with it at the walk but at the trot and canter she just pulls at it ,not matter wat my trainier does or wat ever ring we put it on ,any advice plz thanks :P
Hi Danny is your system on the longest setting for your mare? if she is giving you resistance and lagging on it allow her a longer rein, I have found this really useful I have a young wb gelding that is croup high and very unbalenced and has also had stifle surgury on both back legs from locking when he was younger so when i ride him it makes it harder to find his own balance and mine and he trips alot with this he is using himself well long anf low and building up the strength to carry himself
the Equiami is a better system as it works on a loop, this allows the horse to find balance, and instantly gives with the horse. No set or rigid lines, so the horse cannot lean. This does help the horse to balance and so is a true aid as it is a flexible system, and not a 'set' system. The horse finds balance naturally, as it gives and adjusts through the entire loop. Because of the system being a loop, it also only needs to be adjusted on one side.
I know you posted this months ago, but hopefully this helps if you’re still struggling- no, I would not start with this. Has the potential to really set your horse up for failure and more anxiety by trapping them in the pressure before they’re ready. To start, make sure you can hold your horse on a short lead and crack the lunge whip on the ground anywhere around the horse without them moving, ideally with them showing relaxation. Then you should get them comfortable swinging the tail of the whip over their neck/back with quick (not painful, no hitting!) movements. Then start swinging the whip around their legs in the same repetitive motions until they show signs of relaxation. Once they are comfortable with first two steps there’s usually no fuss about legs/hind end being touched. You can do all this with a rope instead of a lunge whip if your horse is scared of that specifically. Just be careful with how you swing it on the legs, it has potential to wrap and “catch” on the legs for a moment which can be really scary at first for a nervous horse! Eventually you should catch it on the legs on purpose to get them totally placid with the whole thing. If your horse is cool with all this on the ground, then throw em in the Pessoa
The lunge rope from bit over the head is good for control. Love the system. Some equine folk need to do a productive lunge indoors..makes the horse think about it!
Wrong. If you are positioned correctly slightly behind the horse it has a backward influence on the bit instead of a forwards and round influence that the centre ring on a cavesson has.
I dont ask him to canter with this on and hes just not ready to canter in this frame well, I ask him to leg yeild from the inside of the circle to the outer track using the lunge whip just asking him to step across the change in his gait and topline the last few months has been great i lunge him 20 mins every 2-3rd day in this system otherwise we go for a hack out down the road keeps him happy and not bored upload a video of your girl lunging and i might be able to help :)
Not convinced. Sensitive horses will not tolerate that thing behind the backlegs like that, even if they accept it they will be very stiff through the back and neck as a result and there will be less reach of the forelegs. Similarily quieter horses will completely ignore it after a few rounds so its affect will be minimal. The best way to get a young unbacked horse if it doesnt already engage its hinds is long reining with steadily increased collection and half halts. No short cuts Im affraid.
Don't like the lunge line onto the bit ring over the top of the head. Poor horse how many bits of kit are asking him to do what with the bit? Why not use a caves son
My pet hate too! If you are positioned correctly slightly behind the horse it has a backward influence on the bit, instead of a forwards and round influence that a centre ring on a cavesson produces. People are SO lazy these days and think nothing for the horse's discomfort ☹️
Check out art to ride instead, the book tug of war is also good. This horse is clearly not working correctly, especially the neck is looking bad. One should long rain, og use long siderains to develop a healthy self engaging topline instead of a forced, stiff and crooked topline.
try to lower the speed of going this will put your horse more on hindquarter motion instead what i think she is doing is going on forehand. any horse that pulls is most commonly carrying most of his weight on front legs.other tip (consider if it fits your horse in age,aids she knows and sencitivity)good way to stop form pulling is to loosen noseband trough one hole lower than you ussually put. that makes her to think and realise that she is actually pulling herself, not you or pessoa.msg me4more
Collection starts with relaxation of the topline...That has to come first....then engagement of the core....simple but beyond most british trainers understanding.
This system might be okay, if the rope at the hindlegs wasn`t directly connected to the bit. This is cruelty, because with every stride they take, the strap jerks the bit. A horse will learn to stretch without any aids, of you just invest the time it takes. I would never lunge with a bit either.
Nightgrauen. No it's not. Unlike traditional side reins, the rope feeds through the ring on the sircingle and gives with every stride. It's a very kind way to teach a horse to seek and stretch to contact.
Confusion of a rider on their back? Thinking about their hind legs? The sales pitch just didn't compute for me. There is just no end to the "gizmos". All the talk about hindquarters yet everyone is riding the head. Like another commenter said: "Bah! Learn how to ride".
Terri Reuser the original developer suggests only issuing it twice a week and was only developed to help the house find balance in the walk and transition into the canter. this is not hooked up correctly in this video acc it's too loose on the stifle and too tight on the bit
Tiffany Wallett It's still a bunch of silliness. Like I said, no end of gizmos (and marketing) designed by those who don't ride to sell to people who don't ride. People always looking for something and really, the answers come from within. Focus on understanding the horse and learn to ride. Sadly, most want to focus on winning and will take any "short cut" they believe necessary, including buying crap like this.
The best of British training.....UG......lack of knowledge..use useless equipment....only ads stiffness to the horse...no muscle development....does not understand what collection is.
Load of restrictions. Stop convincing yourself or others that it is right or even needed to use. Shame on business getting into everything, life without compassion or caring for living beings.
It's important for some horses to stretch down and do horse yoga without the weight of a rider on their back. As long as the horse is comfortable with it and it ISN'T TOO TIGHT I have found it helpful, especially with horses that have tightness in their lower back.
There is a reason these are not used anymore. You can see how uncomfortable the horse is even standing still.
I have this training aid ,and my 5 year old ottb mare works really well with it at the walk but at the trot and canter she just pulls at it ,not matter wat my trainier does or wat ever ring we put it on ,any advice plz thanks :P
Hi Danny is your system on the longest setting for your mare? if she is giving you resistance and lagging on it allow her a longer rein, I have found this really useful I have a young wb gelding that is croup high and very unbalenced and has also had stifle surgury on both back legs from locking when he was younger so when i ride him it makes it harder to find his own balance and mine and he trips alot with this he is using himself well long anf low and building up the strength to carry himself
the Equiami is a better system as it works on a loop, this allows the horse to find balance, and instantly gives with the horse. No set or rigid lines, so the horse cannot lean. This does help the horse to balance and so is a true aid as it is a flexible system, and not a 'set' system. The horse finds balance naturally, as it gives and adjusts through the entire loop. Because of the system being a loop, it also only needs to be adjusted on one side.
When connected to the loop in between the legs is the action similar to the action of draw reins?
My horse freaks out and takes off whenever i try to put a rope behind his hind legs. Will this system help him desensitize to that?
I know you posted this months ago, but hopefully this helps if you’re still struggling- no, I would not start with this. Has the potential to really set your horse up for failure and more anxiety by trapping them in the pressure before they’re ready. To start, make sure you can hold your horse on a short lead and crack the lunge whip on the ground anywhere around the horse without them moving, ideally with them showing relaxation. Then you should get them comfortable swinging the tail of the whip over their neck/back with quick (not painful, no hitting!) movements. Then start swinging the whip around their legs in the same repetitive motions until they show signs of relaxation. Once they are comfortable with first two steps there’s usually no fuss about legs/hind end being touched. You can do all this with a rope instead of a lunge whip if your horse is scared of that specifically. Just be careful with how you swing it on the legs, it has potential to wrap and “catch” on the legs for a moment which can be really scary at first for a nervous horse! Eventually you should catch it on the legs on purpose to get them totally placid with the whole thing. If your horse is cool with all this on the ground, then throw em in the Pessoa
The lunge rope from bit over the head is good for control. Love the system. Some equine folk need to do a productive lunge indoors..makes the horse think about it!
Wrong. If you are positioned correctly slightly behind the horse it has a backward influence on the bit instead of a forwards and round influence that the centre ring on a cavesson has.
almost crap myself when she started talking i didnt image that voice with her lol
where can i by the training surcingle
I dont ask him to canter with this on and hes just not ready to canter in this frame well, I ask him to leg yeild from the inside of the circle to the outer track using the lunge whip just asking him to step across the change in his gait and topline the last few months has been great i lunge him 20 mins every 2-3rd day in this system otherwise we go for a hack out down the road keeps him happy and not bored upload a video of your girl lunging and i might be able to help :)
Not convinced. Sensitive horses will not tolerate that thing behind the backlegs like that, even if they accept it they will be very stiff through the back and neck as a result and there will be less reach of the forelegs. Similarily quieter horses will completely ignore it after a few rounds so its affect will be minimal. The best way to get a young unbacked horse if it doesnt already engage its hinds is long reining with steadily increased collection and half halts. No short cuts Im affraid.
Don't like the lunge line onto the bit ring over the top of the head. Poor horse how many bits of kit are asking him to do what with the bit? Why not use a caves son
My pet hate too! If you are positioned correctly slightly behind the horse it has a backward influence on the bit, instead of a forwards and round influence that a centre ring on a cavesson produces. People are SO lazy these days and think nothing for the horse's discomfort ☹️
This is wrongly set up!
There is an actual TH-cam video of Nelson himself using it. The pullies go on the roller on the d rings not on the bit!
Check out art to ride instead, the book tug of war is also good.
This horse is clearly not working correctly, especially the neck is looking bad.
One should long rain, og use long siderains to develop a healthy self engaging topline instead of a forced, stiff and crooked topline.
You dont have it on correctly!! The pulley is not to go on the bit, check out video of nelson passoa explanation on how to use the aid he invented!!!
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try to lower the speed of going this will put your horse more on hindquarter motion instead what i think she is doing is going on forehand. any horse that pulls is most commonly carrying most of his weight on front legs.other tip (consider if it fits your horse in age,aids she knows and sencitivity)good way to stop form pulling is to loosen noseband trough one hole lower than you ussually put. that makes her to think and realise that she is actually pulling herself, not you or pessoa.msg me4more
Poor horse. He is constantly trying to get rid of it. Can't believe it's connected to the bit????
Collection starts with relaxation of the topline...That has to come first....then engagement of the core....simple but beyond most british trainers understanding.
it's not a streatch down if the horse is tied there
It's called a roller... Not a circingle , a circingle is elasticated.
Maybe where you are from but it's definitely a circingle where I live
It's a roller. And it's surcingle not circingle. A surcingle is a single strap used for added security around a rug or a racing saddle
This system might be okay, if the rope at the hindlegs wasn`t directly connected to the bit. This is cruelty, because with every stride they take, the strap jerks the bit.
A horse will learn to stretch without any aids, of you just invest the time it takes. I would never lunge with a bit either.
Nightgrauen. No it's not. Unlike traditional side reins, the rope feeds through the ring on the sircingle and gives with every stride. It's a very kind way to teach a horse to seek and stretch to contact.
Thats why rubber bits are made for..
I feel sad watching this.
Confusion of a rider on their back? Thinking about their hind legs? The sales pitch just didn't compute for me. There is just no end to the "gizmos". All the talk about hindquarters yet everyone is riding the head. Like another commenter said: "Bah! Learn how to ride".
Terri Reuser the original developer suggests only issuing it twice a week and was only developed to help the house find balance in the walk and transition into the canter. this is not hooked up correctly in this video acc it's too loose on the stifle and too tight on the bit
Tiffany Wallett It's still a bunch of silliness. Like I said, no end of gizmos (and marketing) designed by those who don't ride to sell to people who don't ride. People always looking for something and really, the answers come from within. Focus on understanding the horse and learn to ride. Sadly, most want to focus on winning and will take any "short cut" they believe necessary, including buying crap like this.
Been schooling horses young and old for 20 years, dont like these. Still would never stand directly behind a horse like she did.
I feel so sorry for this horse...
I dont like this system. I prefer a cavesson also.
As the saying goes That dog don’t hunt.
Totally dislike the pessoa system it is terrible.
The best of British training.....UG......lack of knowledge..use useless equipment....only ads stiffness to the horse...no muscle development....does not understand what collection is.
What a load of crap....
Work on Pilars! Dont use this crap!
This is terrible. What a load of crap
This is ridiculous
Load of restrictions. Stop convincing yourself or others that it is right or even needed to use. Shame on business getting into everything, life without compassion or caring for living beings.