Yeah, from other flights I've seen with the helion it seems less efficient, even without a comparison I looked at the amp usage and thought that doesn't seem any better... Id say unless your constantly flying in unpredictable winds all the time the chimera seems the say to go.
Yeah, particularly the Helion gets pushed back a lot and becomes slower in the wind, but the image seems more stable. But then we have Gyroflow for stabilization.
Awesome video! Built a 13500mAH 6s3p pack out of Molicel P45b cells and I still need to do the range test but I'm shooting for 30km on the helion. Running analog setup
Thanks Jojo. What weight will that be? And may the quad be with you after that. 😊The danger of loss is so great during these tests because that’s when you push it to the limit.
I'm a little disappionted :D I got only 15min out of 90km/h cruising out of it. So a bit over 20km travel distance. Well I guess if flown slower the range increases, but I want to go fast
That's super helpful. Thanks for sharing your experience. At the moment i enjoy flying my low budget 7" walksnail quad. It seems to fly well with two 4000mah in parallel. Next project will be 10" again low budget for even more than 8000mah mountain surfing. Greetings from Kanton LU ;-)
Interesting comparison but missing the most fun part - when the voltage drops and you have to increase throttle to keep pushing :) maybe for next time, along with max possible distance on a li-ion. 23km total on a 9AH is a bit underwhelming
Well considering the consumption is close and the hellion being a much larger drone would mean the hellion won as it will be able to carry a much bigger battery without being as affected. Tbh a 10 inch drone should be able to carry probably two of those battery's. But the DJI link would probably limit your range first. Its easier to long range very long distances with walksnail by using some very good directional antennas.
Yea def could use bigger battery. I use 12000mah li-ion on an 8" I am expecting if I build a 10" I can run bigger for times I need to cover a lot of distance.
I wonder how big of a battery iFlight and 2Raw had in mind when they design the Helion. The biggest lipo iFlight that is selling right now for the Helion is the Fullsend E 60c 8000mAh at 990g (Probably it’s the weight they thought the tune could handle before the quad starts ignoring most of your fine inputs). BTW: iFlight’s biggest battery would have perished on the Helion before the end of this test. I think We need to look elsewhere for batteries that can do mega range.
Wow, nice side by side, i thought the hellion was kind of a bit over kill, but you can definitely see that its just way more stable in the wind and holds the image alot better, the 7 inch is all over the place...
That's the case, the 7 struggles with stability in the wind (bad for cinematics). While on the other side the 10 has poor speed and efficiency in the wind. (it uses so much power to push through).
I cannot beleive you managed to keep flying with just 1 or 2 mbps on the chimera feed. It's oustanding how well the o3 performs. I keep seeing helion flights and I think it's a rushed out product. I wouldn't buy it to replace my p399 superG or add it to the fleet.
Great video and beautiful landscape :-) Using the same battery this result is what is to be expected i guess. The magic happens when you use a 6s3p or 624p on the Helion, which the 7“ could never carry :-)
Something is missing in the equation. With Helion you covered the same distance in about 1.5 minutes less. If you do the math, it means that you’ve flown about 7% faster. This doesn’t necessarily means that you can cover 7% more distance, because flying slower means also covering less distance, but shows how the two quads have different efficiency points in terms of speed. Probably flying the Helion at 50kmh would have brought to you much more distance (remember that Helion is bigger and makes more resistance to the air - and resistance goes with the soeed^2). All in all I think Helion has already shown its efficiency by weighing much more, but still being able to cover the same distance in less time.
Not just the speed sweet spot, but also the battery weight. Our next test is designed to find the Helion's sweet spot on the battery weight, I suspect it might be higher than the 9000mAh 100c I used and definitely higher that what iFlight has on offer.
@@Phoenix.-for me the sweet spot is the 8400 mah li-ion from bronto 21700/ 849 grams battery weight. Got amazing range,approx 2500 mah on 10 km range (one way) 5400 mah totally on 20km with the helion.
This Hélion drone really tempts me to go to the mountains 🗻, now it is clear that with a 5 inch a lion has 4000mah without GoPro just the 03 dji to film in 4k 30 FPS is going really well 👍. we can last 15 minutes. I think that this Hélion drone is really intended mainly for long distances. It’s something to think about 🤔.
@@PitsFlyingEye how is a 5 inch not smooth and stable enough? It's actually smoother because tuning is easier. Also everyone who buys a Helion relies on Gyroflow anyways.
interessant zu sehen was die setups bringen. Es sieht so aus, wie wenn man die 10Zoll nicht genug nutzen kann, das müsste viel besser sein. Denke die Regler haben noch ein zu scharfes setup, die müssten evtl. träger eingestellt werden. Das spart Strom. Die Setups sind auch noch recht schnell ausgelegt, kv wird noch um die 900-1000 liegen, oder? Wir sind ja vor 10 Jahren auch schon 10 Zoll geflogen, die quads waren aber nicht so schnell, haben mit 3S 2600 doch schon 12minuten gehalten. Mit meinem Explorer LR 4 Zoll kann ich auch um die 20min fliegen, vermutlich nicht ganz so schnell und long range tauglich ist das setup nicht. Denke man wird nur richtig lang fliegen, wenn man es schafft das framegewicht einiges zu drücken. Aktuell gibts sowas nicht fertig, der einzige Frame den ich kenne, ist der Tube Frame von Nic. Eigenbau und in der Größe nach oben keine Grenzen, stabil und enorm leicht.
So ist es. Meine Beobachtung ist, dass die 900-kV-Motoren des Helion effizienter sind als die 1250-Motoren des Chimera 7. Aber - und jetzt kommt das Aber - das etwas höhere Gewicht des Helion macht den Effizienzvorteil der 900-kV-Motoren wieder zunichte und der Chimera hat, wie man sieht, die Nase vorn. Und die Tatsache, dass der Helion 10 so groß ist, macht es noch schwieriger, ihn durch den Wind zu schieben. Selbst wenn man ihn also leichter macht, reicht das vielleicht nicht aus. Wir haben jedoch noch einen zweiten und finalen Test vor uns, also stay tuned. 😊
@@Phoenix.- in den Bergen brauchst wegen Wind und Böen einfach Masse, die will aber nicht lang fliegen. Um nen guten Wirkungsgrad zu erreichen, sollte der Prop möglichst groß sein, der ist dann wieder windanfälliger. bei dem was ich so erfolgreich fliegen sah und auch wir am Klausenpass - Hufeisen oben geflogen sind ist ein schweres Setup ok, wo die akkus das Gewicht machen und props um die 8 Zoll. Schätze 10 Zoll geht auch noch, 7 war zu wenig. Bin mit meinem 7zoller fast gleich lang geflogen wie mit dem 4 Zoller.... halt ruhiger und etwas schneller und höher. Hat sich auf jedenfall besser angefühlt. Dabei war das Wetter ja noch perfekt :-) Thermik hatten wir auch, dann wackelt er..
Nice comparison, I'm just getting into the LR thing, just a 6" now with a diy 4300mah, yeah from what I've seen the helion isn't really any more efficient, seems to be a little more stable in the wind. I think I'll split the difference and am going for the speedybee Mario fold 8" I like the idea of being able to make it a little more compact while traveling.
For now this seems the way to go. But we`re planning to do some more tests, with different props, different battery sizes (even bigger) to see if we can find the sweet spot.
In the description it says he's using a custom 9000mah lipo, they would be too heavy for a 5"..., if you want to get longer flight times on your 5" you could go with something like a 2500mah lipo, or could get a 4000mah li-ion for cruising longer not good for flips and stuff. The helion 10s biggest advantage seems to be that it can handle the wind a little better
Ich stimme ugpfpv361 zu, die 5" frame ist nicht gut für die 9000MAH Lipo geeignet, weil sie u.a. zu kurz ist und generell nicht für LR geeignet. Die Vorteile von Helion 10: 1.) Geht beim crash nicht leicht kaputt (gilt nicht nicht für die Props; die brechen, wenn man sie schief anschaut 🙂) 2.) GoPro-freundlich (man kann den Strom direkt vom Dronen-Akku beziehen) 3.) ist zwar stabiler, aber wird langsamer als 7" im Gegenwind
@@Phoenix.- Ist der 10 Zoll Quad mit höherem Gewicht nicht auch gefährdeter wenns um Crashs geht? Gibts eigentlich Ersatzteile für den Frame vom Helion?
this is amazing. Could you please share the settings of the googles and the O3 system? since you were at 25 Mbps at the beginning and not 50. I use goggles integra and after 500m of free sight the video signal is gone, ... so I am just wondering how? thanks
Thanks! Do the FCC hack, check out some stuff from Mads Tech (f.e. DJI O3 FPV System FCC Hack How-To) among many others. Then in your goggles menu (while connected to your quad) go to “transmissions” > channel mode and set it to manual, go below channel mode, then you click on “bandwidth”, select 20MHz and then you get up to 7 channels and select one (or let the system select one) and then you`re set.
Great video and very interesting discussions in the comments as well. I have a similar foxeer aura 10, and the really light aura7. So far the 7 gives me better flights because no jello and similar flighttime (better actually). The aura7 is 100g lighter than the chim7 (that I also have). The aura10 will be superior in high wind and gust situations up in the mountains for sure! Greets from Austria, br, Mario
@@Phoenix.- a bit more stable for sure (especially on high gusts where the 7 would be blown away) but way less efficient ;) (bu I also use larger battery and much more weight).
Well happy to see the chinera 7 doing good, I have one and honestly 2 stacks died on them, now I use HGLRC specter in the chimera as that was one of the only stacks fitting with sideplates. As much I hate the electronics iFlight makes I love how their drones look as my Evoque F6 is an amazing drone, maybe I was just unlucky. Great video mate you actually inspired me cause I was planning to do a battery test of the new ovonic 4500mah 6S and I didnt know what measure to us so I fly the battery on 7inch and on my 7.5 chimera but I see distance covered is the one to use . Subscribed!
i have SucceX-D Mini F7 and switched on my explorer LR 4 also to this upgrade. running hard 2 seasons now with maybe 30hrs on both stacks. smaller one is a tadpole with minimum one hard crash a day and the LR4 is always flying at the upper powerlimit with too much cells. i should throttle limit it, but for now i took care enough woth full cells. Am Klausenpass hab ich nicht aufgepasst, da ging er runter, nix kaputt. prop verbogen.... ich mag iflight auch nicht besonders, aber meine stacks sind ok.
@ixography: Good to know and thanks for the sub. As far as iFlight reliability is concerned, you are not alone there. I think the company is missing a few steps in quality control. We have received a few quads from them that just died a few weeks later and to make matters worse the local iflight support (Europe) is not that great especially if made a few mods on the quad itself.
@@Phoenix.- yes exactly this my iFlight commando broke down and it is since november at the store cause iFlight takes its time to ship the replacement parts😀 a total joke sometimes
What kind of License do you need to drive a Dragster on a Highway? Doing this stuff is anyways fully illegal, because BLOS and Cam onboard. With a license you just proove that you KNOW that it's illegal. Not holing any license at least gives you the (lame) excuse, you didn't know about it. Fuck it, don't follow this stupid law insanity they are creating every week.
@@WDZaphod By not being registered as a pilot you give them a very easy possibility to fine you, no license, clear violation of law, case closed. (B)VLOS is super fuzzy, most of the time you easily get away with it. Let them prove you or your spotter didn't see the drone.
@@blacksheeep4634 Flying with a home build copter of 1.5kg, several km away, while filming - are you able to explain the actual situation in Germany? But hurry on, in 2 weeks it might be completely different again. This whole bullshit is INSANE. We have serious problems in the world, and they are breaking the balls of a very few guys with a hobby, with didn't cause a single death in the last decades, and less risk of hurting people whan playing golf or soccer. All the mess and stupidity for plain NOTHING. What can you improve with all this nonsense? I refuse to join this bullshit. I fly the whole bandwidth of FPV, from Whoop to X-Class, from Mini Race Wing to Big Drak. Long Range, 20+km. Just take care, don't bother people, and keep your brain switched on. Like we RC people do since 50+ years.
In a way that breaks warranty - if such a thing exists in fpv.😊 Short answer: directly attached to the case/cover at the back. I will highlight all the modes in the upcoming and final comparison video.
Was meinst du, ist die Moz7 oder die Chimera7 Pro v2 besser für long range? habe gehört der receiver für die moz7 ist nicht gut platziert und deshalb kommt sie nicht so weit…
Beim Moz7 bin ich mir nicht sicher, da ich noch nicht damit geflogen bin. Aber die Platzierung des receivers ist nicht so wichtig. Es geht darum, wie die Antennen angebracht sind. Hast du Diversity? Du kannst den receiver auch woanders platzieren, wenn Du das Gefühl hast, dass es dort, wo er montiert ist, zu viel Rauschen gibt, und ihn woanders platzieren.
@@CaptainKazi We are in post now on that one. I have crashed the Helion over 5 times at speeds above 70kph without arm braces and it's still going. it's built like a tank.
@phoenix Please Help me! i have one Chimera 7 And one LION FULLSEND 8.000 BATTERY! What do you Think? There is a bigger And more eficient BATTERY for LONG RANGE? Please help me… And Please send me the name and link for this 8.400mah BATTERY! Thanks
Hi Filipe The batteries I used for this test were custom made but if you already use iflight batteries: then the two below should be good. 1. Fullsend 6S 8000mAh Li-Ion Battery 35A (35c) 2. Fullsend E 6S 8000mAh LiPo Battery (60c)
@@Phoenix.- Max discharge 35A and 60A not C rating.. Fullsend can`t give out such a huge current! 35С is 280A and 60C is 480A. It's stupid marketing! My friend have this battery and have very strong voltage sag after 40A pushin.... Only Lipo Bonka 1800mah 200C can give out 360A. I have some proofs. 2 x batteries = 560A and 391km/h
Sure you would want to fit a bigger battery on the helion 10. Look at the helion 3110 motor vs the 2809 chimera motor. You will see both make a maximum thrust of 2900g at 49A. The chimera7 has 7.5" props instead of the 8" from the diagram, but it's negilible. So according to the thrust data of both, you cant really carry a much larger battery on the helion regarding thrust. 3115 motors make the new 10" standard to really take advantage of the 10" props with thrust and efficiency. Maybe just add some weight to the helion to see how much it can handle and still fly well. Then you make a short track to see how many mAh were used and efficiency decreases. Grüße
@@Phoenix.-welche karte gibt es für die schweiz um die erlaubten flug Zonen zu sehen? Bin gespannt auf dein nächstes test video. Ich vermute mit einem 6s2p 21700 akku wirst du die gleiche flugzeit wie beim 6s2p 21700 bekommen. Das extra gewicht macht die erhöhte Kapazität zu nichte mit verlust der Effizienz beim tragen des gewichts.
@@chrisbee5481 Die Flugkarten findest du auf der BAZL Website: www.bazl.admin.ch/bazl/de/home/drohnen/general/drone-maps.html. Ja, das extra Gewicht hat immer sein Preis 🙂
I will be running more tests to find the sweet spot on the battery size. I’m rooting for the Helion to do better just by it’s shear size. My aim with the Helion is to do some takes beyond 10km from home, I hope it can manage that at sizeable weight to retain agility.
None with GoPro, though for cinematic flights a GoPro is going to be a must for the Helion because otherwise you`ll have props in view. but for the second test the Helion will have a GoPro connected internally.
@@Phoenix.- I think both should have GOPro's because everyone will fly them with GoPro. I'm guessing with a GoPro, the Helion will be more efficient. Hope your next test is with gopro. It was really nice video to watch, thanks!
Interesting. So I don't have to save up to get a Helion. Do you put the battery below the Chimera? 9Ah must be pretty big. What about top speed with both of them? Subbed as well.
you may need to watch the second episode of this comparison before you make up your mind @seb-depp. The battery fits on both beds (it's 18cm in length) so it's up to your style that defines where you want it.
@@seb-depp same conclusion, the Helion is for those who need this extra extra range. Chimera is propably going to be the perfect tool for 99% of the time.
buddy, you should do another test when its no wind,the helion is more stable, but more drag in the wind vs the chimera.. also try to mount the batteries on the helion so its within the sides of the canopy, so it gets the best aero.. i did a (10+10) km test with my helion , and i did 2500 mah at 10 km, 6300 mah totally on 25 km. with a 8400 li-ion 859 gram battery!
Hi Chris, thanks for your feedback. I'm glad you went out and ran more tests on this subject matter. It is always good to compare. We have done more tests after this one and every time the conclusion was that: with this battery load at 1.2kg facing the same conditions the Helion is never going to beat the Chimera on efficiency, and yes, especially when it's windy. We will definitely be keeping the Helion, but for a different type of flights from the ones we tested here with the Chimera. Its efficiency point is achieved with a much higher battery load and its prop size makes it ideal for high altitude flights. This has been proven in the various tests we have done since. It is a different beast to the Chimera and I would fly it to complement the Chimera, not instead of it. Glad you are enjoying your Helion. Keep the FPV spirit alive! 😃
@@Phoenix.- i also have the chimera, the helion does the best range at 50-60 kmh NOT 70-80 kmh , in 50-60 kmh ,then you can reach 10-12 km on a 8400 pack, my chimera could not have done that... if you try flying in 50kmh at 32-35% throttle with the battery within the canopy sides for best aero, the helion is way better than the chimera, its all about the way you fly it.
@@christianmong-hansen1835 Great that you have both quads: can you please fly both quads in the same conditions: on the same day on the same battery (The Chimera can handle up to 15000mAH lion so 8400mAH should be peace of cake) and please post it. I'm curious how your quads will fair against each other.😁
@@Phoenix.- yes sure! The best is both on the 8400 mah battery, and the same speed and altitude, but I can for sure send my 10km vid to you if you want , then u can compare it to your results😏👌.
@ christianmong-hansen1835: Do you mean to do the tests in a closed space like a warehouse? Out there, there will always be wind, sometimes more, sometimes less. I think it`s great that the tests were done under realistic conditions, only then you know, how the quad will behave in real life.
@christianmong-hansen1835 Why are you laughing? I can send you several 4km one way flights, one with over 3000m altitude. And you can see that there is lots of battery left, 8km is just an antenna thing, not prop size or battery...
@@saturn_fpv because you can't compare a 5 to a 10 on LR , do you mean a 5 can do all the same stuff like a 10? NO wtf. 8km ? thats nothing , try 20-25 km. on my helion i can easy fit 16800 mah if i want. usually a 8400 can get me 26 mins of flight time, and 25 km range, easy 8-10 km ONE way.
I wouldn`t say the amp draw is too high, when you consider the weight of this battery which is over 200 grams heavier than that of an 8000 MAH li-ion. On an 8000 MAH li-ion the amp draw on this Chimera is more or less the same as yours, at that speed. Nice testing, btw 😉
Yes spend 1000 bucks on this....then wait until parts break and you have to basically buy another one and another one. Iflight makes cheap stuff...it breaks ALL the time for no reason and in the end it's a waste of money.. but yeah buy this so you can think you will make great videos....only after losing a few lol
Sorry, I hadn`t seen your question earlier 🙂 It always takes some time to tune them in and we`ve had quite some issues at the beginning. But it seems to be getting better now. We`ll be posting a short video soon with the mods we`ve made to it!
Yeah, from other flights I've seen with the helion it seems less efficient, even without a comparison I looked at the amp usage and thought that doesn't seem any better... Id say unless your constantly flying in unpredictable winds all the time the chimera seems the say to go.
I fly both 7 and 10 inch quads and the smaller quads usually get pushed around by the wind less.
Yeah, particularly the Helion gets pushed back a lot and becomes slower in the wind, but the image seems more stable. But then we have Gyroflow for stabilization.
Відео та порівняння дуже сподобалося, дякую, за цікаве порівняння та гарне відео!
💯💯💯Great video as always! Happy you're back!!💯💯💯
Thanks, the 2nd and final Episode to this video series is coming this week so if you like this type of content, stick around.
Awesome video! Built a 13500mAH 6s3p pack out of Molicel P45b cells and I still need to do the range test but I'm shooting for 30km on the helion. Running analog setup
Thanks Jojo.
What weight will that be? And may the quad be with you after that. 😊The danger of loss is so great during these tests because that’s when you push it to the limit.
I dont think you can do 30km range / 60km total. I can do 30km+ and 30min+ with my Chimera and 6s2p Samsung 50S. Let us know after test 🤞
I'm a little disappionted :D I got only 15min out of 90km/h cruising out of it. So a bit over 20km travel distance. Well I guess if flown slower the range increases, but I want to go fast
That is extremely bad result. I have done 15km total on P45B 6s1p on my Chimera 7. You have to fly slower, but the result is bad anyways.@@jojo42069
its possible, did 25 km yesterday! 27 min flight time, 10 km totally one way.
Awesome flight comparison and video 👍
Thanks! 👍
That's super helpful. Thanks for sharing your experience. At the moment i enjoy flying my low budget 7" walksnail quad. It seems to fly well with two 4000mah in parallel. Next project will be 10" again low budget for even more than 8000mah mountain surfing. Greetings from Kanton LU ;-)
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Interesting comparison but missing the most fun part - when the voltage drops and you have to increase throttle to keep pushing :) maybe for next time, along with max possible distance on a li-ion. 23km total on a 9AH is a bit underwhelming
Well considering the consumption is close and the hellion being a much larger drone would mean the hellion won as it will be able to carry a much bigger battery without being as affected.
Tbh a 10 inch drone should be able to carry probably two of those battery's. But the DJI link would probably limit your range first.
Its easier to long range very long distances with walksnail by using some very good directional antennas.
Yea def could use bigger battery. I use 12000mah li-ion on an 8"
I am expecting if I build a 10" I can run bigger for times I need to cover a lot of distance.
I wonder how big of a battery iFlight and 2Raw had in mind when they design the Helion. The biggest lipo iFlight that is selling right now for the Helion is the Fullsend E 60c 8000mAh at 990g (Probably it’s the weight they thought the tune could handle before the quad starts ignoring most of your fine inputs). BTW: iFlight’s biggest battery would have perished on the Helion before the end of this test. I think We need to look elsewhere for batteries that can do mega range.
hi from new Zealand, amazing videos man :-)
Thanks, mate! 🙂
Nice flight! Very informative!
Thank you! Part II is coming soon 🙂
Would you share your osd cli for the helion. It's perfect :) please 😊
No problem, please look in the community tab. 👍
you are awesome, man, respect 👍👍👍👍
Thanks!
Wow, nice side by side, i thought the hellion was kind of a bit over kill, but you can definitely see that its just way more stable in the wind and holds the image alot better, the 7 inch is all over the place...
That's the case, the 7 struggles with stability in the wind (bad for cinematics). While on the other side the 10 has poor speed and efficiency in the wind. (it uses so much power to push through).
It’s like flying a tank once you update the PID
I cannot beleive you managed to keep flying with just 1 or 2 mbps on the chimera feed. It's oustanding how well the o3 performs. I keep seeing helion flights and I think it's a rushed out product. I wouldn't buy it to replace my p399 superG or add it to the fleet.
It's easier to justify buying this quad if you have a particular use for it in mind which you could not otherwise fulfill with the rest of your fleet.
23 km traveled. 8 km distance. 22 mins flight time... the dream
Great video and beautiful landscape :-) Using the same battery this result is what is to be expected i guess. The magic happens when you use a 6s3p or 624p on the Helion, which the 7“ could never carry :-)
all I can say at this point is that the chimera 7 is a heavily underestimated quad, :-) please do stick around for episode 2.
Something is missing in the equation. With Helion you covered the same distance in about 1.5 minutes less. If you do the math, it means that you’ve flown about 7% faster. This doesn’t necessarily means that you can cover 7% more distance, because flying slower means also covering less distance, but shows how the two quads have different efficiency points in terms of speed. Probably flying the Helion at 50kmh would have brought to you much more distance (remember that Helion is bigger and makes more resistance to the air - and resistance goes with the soeed^2). All in all I think Helion has already shown its efficiency by weighing much more, but still being able to cover the same distance in less time.
i totally agree.
Not just the speed sweet spot, but also the battery weight. Our next test is designed to find the Helion's sweet spot on the battery weight, I suspect it might be higher than the 9000mAh 100c I used and definitely higher that what iFlight has on offer.
@@Phoenix.-for me the sweet spot is the 8400 mah li-ion from bronto 21700/ 849 grams battery weight. Got amazing range,approx 2500 mah on 10 km range (one way) 5400 mah totally on 20km with the helion.
Yes, this is physics higher average velocity means more energy to achieve.
This Hélion drone really tempts me to go to the mountains 🗻, now it is clear that with a 5 inch a lion has 4000mah without GoPro just the 03 dji to film in 4k 30 FPS is going really well 👍. we can last 15 minutes. I think that this Hélion drone is really intended mainly for long distances. It’s something to think about 🤔.
If you have to compare with a 5", than Hélion drone is a clear winner, yes. But this is not clear, with 7". But, yes, it is a drone for the mountain.
@lemonoid6156 No, 5inch wins, because you save a lot of money, it fits in your backpack and it has enough time to go up any mountain.
@@saturn_fpva ten inch is way more smooth and stable for long distance flights
@@PitsFlyingEye how is a 5 inch not smooth and stable enough? It's actually smoother because tuning is easier. Also everyone who buys a Helion relies on Gyroflow anyways.
@@saturn_fpv ok try to fly with a 5inch at an Altitude over 3000m and more and you will see the difference .
interessant zu sehen was die setups bringen. Es sieht so aus, wie wenn man die 10Zoll nicht genug nutzen kann, das müsste viel besser sein. Denke die Regler haben noch ein zu scharfes setup, die müssten evtl. träger eingestellt werden. Das spart Strom. Die Setups sind auch noch recht schnell ausgelegt, kv wird noch um die 900-1000 liegen, oder? Wir sind ja vor 10 Jahren auch schon 10 Zoll geflogen, die quads waren aber nicht so schnell, haben mit 3S 2600 doch schon 12minuten gehalten. Mit meinem Explorer LR 4 Zoll kann ich auch um die 20min fliegen, vermutlich nicht ganz so schnell und long range tauglich ist das setup nicht. Denke man wird nur richtig lang fliegen, wenn man es schafft das framegewicht einiges zu drücken. Aktuell gibts sowas nicht fertig, der einzige Frame den ich kenne, ist der Tube Frame von Nic. Eigenbau und in der Größe nach oben keine Grenzen, stabil und enorm leicht.
So ist es. Meine Beobachtung ist, dass die 900-kV-Motoren des Helion effizienter sind als die 1250-Motoren des Chimera 7. Aber - und jetzt kommt das Aber - das etwas höhere Gewicht des Helion macht den Effizienzvorteil der 900-kV-Motoren wieder zunichte und der Chimera hat, wie man sieht, die Nase vorn. Und die Tatsache, dass der Helion 10 so groß ist, macht es noch schwieriger, ihn durch den Wind zu schieben. Selbst wenn man ihn also leichter macht, reicht das vielleicht nicht aus. Wir haben jedoch noch einen zweiten und finalen Test vor uns, also stay tuned. 😊
@@Phoenix.- in den Bergen brauchst wegen Wind und Böen einfach Masse, die will aber nicht lang fliegen. Um nen guten Wirkungsgrad zu erreichen, sollte der Prop möglichst groß sein, der ist dann wieder windanfälliger. bei dem was ich so erfolgreich fliegen sah und auch wir am Klausenpass - Hufeisen oben geflogen sind ist ein schweres Setup ok, wo die akkus das Gewicht machen und props um die 8 Zoll. Schätze 10 Zoll geht auch noch, 7 war zu wenig. Bin mit meinem 7zoller fast gleich lang geflogen wie mit dem 4 Zoller.... halt ruhiger und etwas schneller und höher. Hat sich auf jedenfall besser angefühlt. Dabei war das Wetter ja noch perfekt :-) Thermik hatten wir auch, dann wackelt er..
Which battery is best to use for long distances with the chimera 7 pro?
It depends; what distance and what altitude from home do you have in mind?
with 16 000mah you can fly over 46-48km! Reach O3 unit limit and return home :))
Nice comparison, I'm just getting into the LR thing, just a 6" now with a diy 4300mah, yeah from what I've seen the helion isn't really any more efficient, seems to be a little more stable in the wind. I think I'll split the difference and am going for the speedybee Mario fold 8" I like the idea of being able to make it a little more compact while traveling.
For now this seems the way to go. But we`re planning to do some more tests, with different props, different battery sizes (even bigger) to see if we can find the sweet spot.
Mit welchem Lipo bist du ganz genau geflogen ? Könnte ich den auch auf meiner Nasqul F5 einsetzen?
Was ist der grösste vorteil an der neuen Helion 10?
In the description it says he's using a custom 9000mah lipo, they would be too heavy for a 5"..., if you want to get longer flight times on your 5" you could go with something like a 2500mah lipo, or could get a 4000mah li-ion for cruising longer not good for flips and stuff.
The helion 10s biggest advantage seems to be that it can handle the wind a little better
Ich stimme ugpfpv361 zu, die 5" frame ist nicht gut für die 9000MAH Lipo geeignet, weil sie u.a. zu kurz ist und generell nicht für LR geeignet.
Die Vorteile von Helion 10:
1.) Geht beim crash nicht leicht kaputt (gilt nicht nicht für die Props; die brechen, wenn man sie schief anschaut 🙂)
2.) GoPro-freundlich (man kann den Strom direkt vom Dronen-Akku beziehen)
3.) ist zwar stabiler, aber wird langsamer als 7" im Gegenwind
@@Phoenix.- Ist der 10 Zoll Quad mit höherem Gewicht nicht auch gefährdeter wenns um Crashs geht? Gibts eigentlich Ersatzteile für den Frame vom Helion?
@@cbash1337 Ja, man kann bei iFlight Ersatzteile kaufen, aber unserer Erfahrung nach kann es einiges aushalten, ohne zu brechen.
@@Phoenix.- das klingt gut. Würdest du sagen der Helion ist stabiler als die chrimera?
this is amazing. Could you please share the settings of the googles and the O3 system? since you were at 25 Mbps at the beginning and not 50. I use goggles integra and after 500m of free sight the video signal is gone, ... so I am just wondering how? thanks
Thanks!
Do the FCC hack, check out some stuff from Mads Tech (f.e. DJI O3 FPV System FCC Hack How-To) among many others. Then in your goggles menu (while connected to your quad) go to “transmissions” > channel mode and set it to manual, go below channel mode, then you click on “bandwidth”, select 20MHz and then you get up to 7 channels and select one (or let the system select one) and then you`re set.
@@Phoenix.- Thanks a lot. gonna try that once the weather is dry again ;) greetings from Austria
Is it better to use 50 or 25mbps for long range?
@@dewhoop use 20mhz channel 7 , better for long range.
@@christianmong-hansen1835 yes 20mhz is the way to go.
Great video and very interesting discussions in the comments as well. I have a similar foxeer aura 10, and the really light aura7. So far the 7 gives me better flights because no jello and similar flighttime (better actually). The aura7 is 100g lighter than the chim7 (that I also have).
The aura10 will be superior in high wind and gust situations up in the mountains for sure!
Greets from Austria, br, Mario
Thank you @Rcschim! Is your 10 more stable or more efficient than the 7?
@@Phoenix.- a bit more stable for sure (especially on high gusts where the 7 would be blown away) but way less efficient ;) (bu I also use larger battery and much more weight).
Well happy to see the chinera 7 doing good, I have one and honestly 2 stacks died on them, now I use HGLRC specter in the chimera as that was one of the only stacks fitting with sideplates. As much I hate the electronics iFlight makes I love how their drones look as my Evoque F6 is an amazing drone, maybe I was just unlucky. Great video mate you actually inspired me cause I was planning to do a battery test of the new ovonic 4500mah 6S and I didnt know what measure to us so I fly the battery on 7inch and on my 7.5 chimera but I see distance covered is the one to use . Subscribed!
i have SucceX-D Mini F7 and switched on my explorer LR 4 also to this upgrade. running hard 2 seasons now with maybe 30hrs on both stacks. smaller one is a tadpole with minimum one hard crash a day and the LR4 is always flying at the upper powerlimit with too much cells. i should throttle limit it, but for now i took care enough woth full cells. Am Klausenpass hab ich nicht aufgepasst, da ging er runter, nix kaputt. prop verbogen.... ich mag iflight auch nicht besonders, aber meine stacks sind ok.
@ixography: Good to know and thanks for the sub. As far as iFlight reliability is concerned, you are not alone there. I think the company is missing a few steps in quality control. We have received a few quads from them that just died a few weeks later and to make matters worse the local iflight support (Europe) is not that great especially if made a few mods on the quad itself.
@@Phoenix.- yes exactly this my iFlight commando broke down and it is since november at the store cause iFlight takes its time to ship the replacement parts😀 a total joke sometimes
What kind of certification do you have to hold to pilot these >1kg drones?
Go for the A2. It`s safer since drone laws seem to be changing every day in this part of the world (at least if you live in Europe). 🙂
What kind of License do you need to drive a Dragster on a Highway? Doing this stuff is anyways fully illegal, because BLOS and Cam onboard. With a license you just proove that you KNOW that it's illegal. Not holing any license at least gives you the (lame) excuse, you didn't know about it.
Fuck it, don't follow this stupid law insanity they are creating every week.
@@WDZaphod By not being registered as a pilot you give them a very easy possibility to fine you, no license, clear violation of law, case closed. (B)VLOS is super fuzzy, most of the time you easily get away with it. Let them prove you or your spotter didn't see the drone.
@@blacksheeep4634 Flying with a home build copter of 1.5kg, several km away, while filming - are you able to explain the actual situation in Germany? But hurry on, in 2 weeks it might be completely different again. This whole bullshit is INSANE. We have serious problems in the world, and they are breaking the balls of a very few guys with a hobby, with didn't cause a single death in the last decades, and less risk of hurting people whan playing golf or soccer. All the mess and stupidity for plain NOTHING. What can you improve with all this nonsense? I refuse to join this bullshit. I fly the whole bandwidth of FPV, from Whoop to X-Class, from Mini Race Wing to Big Drak. Long Range, 20+km. Just take care, don't bother people, and keep your brain switched on. Like we RC people do since 50+ years.
@@WDZaphod Agreed. Nevertheless, police in Switzerland did not ask about VLOS nor Spotter. Just drone registration, online quiz and weight.
Did you attach one or two batteries, and what mAh were they? I have a GEPRC 7" Crocodile for long range, and just acquired a Helion. Thanks
Just one battery. A custom made Lipo 9000 MAH at 100C
@@Phoenix.- Thanks for reply
how much does it weight@@Phoenix.- ;)
@@Phoenix.-wow big battery! How do you make them?
How did you reposition the Helion antennas? I’d like to do that!
In a way that breaks warranty - if such a thing exists in fpv.😊
Short answer: directly attached to the case/cover at the back. I will highlight all the modes in the upcoming and final comparison video.
is the HELION 10 Fpv repairable? could you replace the entire frame of it and motors if you wanted?
You can buy parts for it when it breaks.
Was meinst du, ist die Moz7 oder die Chimera7 Pro v2 besser für long range? habe gehört der receiver für die moz7 ist nicht gut platziert und deshalb kommt sie nicht so weit…
Beim Moz7 bin ich mir nicht sicher, da ich noch nicht damit geflogen bin. Aber die Platzierung des receivers ist nicht so wichtig. Es geht darum, wie die Antennen angebracht sind. Hast du Diversity? Du kannst den receiver auch woanders platzieren, wenn Du das Gefühl hast, dass es dort, wo er montiert ist, zu viel Rauschen gibt, und ihn woanders platzieren.
@@Phoenix.- Ah guter Punkt mit dem Receiver!
@@Phoenix.- Hast du Instagram? Hätte da noch paar Fragen zur Chimera :)
How did you mount the bard pole?
we are releasing the mods video sometime end of this week in detail. it should give you a good view of the mount.
Awesome, Will there be a print file available? I also saw Visma moded his with lateral arm braces. @@Phoenix.-
@@CaptainKazi We are in post now on that one. I have crashed the Helion over 5 times at speeds above 70kph without arm braces and it's still going. it's built like a tank.
I found the camera on the Chimera most of the times better.
There the same camera
@phoenix Please Help me! i have one Chimera 7 And one LION FULLSEND 8.000 BATTERY! What do you Think? There is a bigger And more eficient BATTERY for LONG RANGE? Please help me… And Please send me the name and link for this 8.400mah BATTERY! Thanks
Hi Filipe
The batteries I used for this test were custom made but if you already use iflight batteries: then the two below should be good.
1. Fullsend 6S 8000mAh Li-Ion Battery 35A (35c)
2. Fullsend E 6S 8000mAh LiPo Battery (60c)
@@Phoenix.- thanks a Lot ! This LIPO 8.000 Mah Would be better for dives or flips, And rolls? i know that one lion is just for cruze flat flights
@@filipehenry4340 Yes, that should give you all the punch to do that 💪
@@Phoenix.- Max discharge 35A and 60A not C rating.. Fullsend can`t give out such a huge current! 35С is 280A and 60C is 480A. It's stupid marketing! My friend have this battery and have very strong voltage sag after 40A pushin.... Only Lipo Bonka 1800mah 200C can give out 360A. I have some proofs. 2 x batteries = 560A and 391km/h
Sure you would want to fit a bigger battery on the helion 10.
Look at the helion 3110 motor vs the 2809 chimera motor. You will see both make a maximum thrust of 2900g at 49A. The chimera7 has 7.5" props instead of the 8" from the diagram, but it's negilible.
So according to the thrust data of both, you cant really carry a much larger battery on the helion regarding thrust.
3115 motors make the new 10" standard to really take advantage of the 10" props with thrust and efficiency.
Maybe just add some weight to the helion to see how much it can handle and still fly well. Then you make a short track to see how many mAh were used and efficiency decreases.
Grüße
This is exactly the subject matter of the second episode to this video coming this week. please watch this space: I have a feeling you may enjoy it. 😁
@@Phoenix.-welche karte gibt es für die schweiz um die erlaubten flug Zonen zu sehen? Bin gespannt auf dein nächstes test video. Ich vermute mit einem 6s2p 21700 akku wirst du die gleiche flugzeit wie beim 6s2p 21700 bekommen. Das extra gewicht macht die erhöhte Kapazität zu nichte mit verlust der Effizienz beim tragen des gewichts.
@@chrisbee5481 Die Flugkarten findest du auf der BAZL Website: www.bazl.admin.ch/bazl/de/home/drohnen/general/drone-maps.html. Ja, das extra Gewicht hat immer sein Preis 🙂
But Helion should be able to carry a bigger battery. Like i run a bigger battery on my 7" LR than i do my 5" LR
I would of loved to seen throttle %
I will be running more tests to find the sweet spot on the battery size. I’m rooting for the Helion to do better just by it’s shear size. My aim with the Helion is to do some takes beyond 10km from home, I hope it can manage that at sizeable weight to retain agility.
Did you fly both with a GoPro?
None with GoPro, though for cinematic flights a GoPro is going to be a must for the Helion because otherwise you`ll have props in view. but for the second test the Helion will have a GoPro connected internally.
@@Phoenix.- I think both should have GOPro's because everyone will fly them with GoPro. I'm guessing with a GoPro, the Helion will be more efficient. Hope your next test is with gopro. It was really nice video to watch, thanks!
Interesting. So I don't have to save up to get a Helion. Do you put the battery below the Chimera? 9Ah must be pretty big.
What about top speed with both of them?
Subbed as well.
you may need to watch the second episode of this comparison before you make up your mind @seb-depp. The battery fits on both beds (it's 18cm in length) so it's up to your style that defines where you want it.
@@Phoenix.- Still waiting to upload?
@@seb-depp Hi, the edit took longer than anticipated 😅 but it`s up and running now: th-cam.com/video/sVuwjbkyp1s/w-d-xo.html
@@Phoenix.- Yes, I already watched it. Still not enough to win me over. 7" are enough for me.
@@seb-depp same conclusion, the Helion is for those who need this extra extra range. Chimera is propably going to be the perfect tool for 99% of the time.
buddy, you should do another test when its no wind,the helion is more stable, but more drag in the wind vs the chimera.. also try to mount the batteries on the helion so its within the sides of the canopy, so it gets the best aero.. i did a (10+10) km test with my helion , and i did 2500 mah at 10 km, 6300 mah totally on 25 km. with a 8400 li-ion 859 gram battery!
Hi Chris, thanks for your feedback. I'm glad you went out and ran more tests on this subject matter. It is always good to compare.
We have done more tests after this one and every time the conclusion was that: with this battery load at 1.2kg facing the same conditions the Helion is never going to beat the Chimera on efficiency, and yes, especially when it's windy.
We will definitely be keeping the Helion, but for a different type of flights from the ones we tested here with the Chimera. Its efficiency point is achieved with a much higher battery load and its prop size makes it ideal for high altitude flights. This has been proven in the various tests we have done since. It is a different beast to the Chimera and I would fly it to complement the Chimera, not instead of it. Glad you are enjoying your Helion. Keep the FPV spirit alive! 😃
@@Phoenix.-
i also have the chimera, the helion does the best range at 50-60 kmh NOT 70-80 kmh , in 50-60 kmh ,then you can reach 10-12 km on a 8400 pack, my chimera could not have done that... if you try flying in 50kmh at 32-35% throttle with the battery within the canopy sides for best aero, the helion is way better than the chimera, its all about the way you fly it.
@@christianmong-hansen1835 Great that you have both quads: can you please fly both quads in the same conditions: on the same day on the same battery (The Chimera can handle up to 15000mAH lion so 8400mAH should be peace of cake) and please post it. I'm curious how your quads will fair against each other.😁
@@Phoenix.- yes sure! The best is both on the 8400 mah battery, and the same speed and altitude, but I can for sure send my 10km vid to you if you want , then u can compare it to your results😏👌.
@ christianmong-hansen1835: Do you mean to do the tests in a closed space like a warehouse? Out there, there will always be wind, sometimes more, sometimes less. I think it`s great that the tests were done under realistic conditions, only then you know, how the quad will behave in real life.
Just put a Liion on your existing 5" and save the money.
If it’s less windy, a 10 to 12km LR stint works on a 5inch with a 4000mAh Li-ion, I could never make it further.
do it , and send me a video proof of 8-10 km(one way)20 km totally and 1000 meters altitude ! LOL
@christianmong-hansen1835 Why are you laughing? I can send you several 4km one way flights, one with over 3000m altitude. And you can see that there is lots of battery left, 8km is just an antenna thing, not prop size or battery...
@@saturn_fpv because you can't compare a 5 to a 10 on LR , do you mean a 5 can do all the same stuff like a 10? NO wtf.
8km ? thats nothing , try 20-25 km.
on my helion i can easy fit 16800 mah if i want. usually a 8400 can get me 26 mins of flight time, and 25 km range, easy 8-10 km ONE way.
@@saturn_fpv
lol, ofc its about prop size and battery! bigger prop will give better flight times , and a bigger prop can support a bigger battery.
Max speed with 1800 kv motors please
But why? 😊 I don`t quite understand your request ... For which quad?
MBPS was seriously low whole time
Location 👍
something wrong with chimera, amp draw is too high. th-cam.com/video/xvWImr9iY00/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Twiac-MDFZKCLoTi
I wouldn`t say the amp draw is too high, when you consider the weight of this battery which is over 200 grams heavier than that of an 8000 MAH li-ion.
On an 8000 MAH li-ion the amp draw on this Chimera is more or less the same as yours, at that speed.
Nice testing, btw 😉
whats weight of 9000?@@Phoenix.-
1823g total weight my drone@@Phoenix.-
@@AlexJaniashvili The battery alone is 1150g vs the 880g of the 2x 4000mAH Li-ion packs.
@@AlexJaniashvili The total weight is unfortunately over 2000g even after my attempts to lower it.
Yes spend 1000 bucks on this....then wait until parts break and you have to basically buy another one and another one.
Iflight makes cheap stuff...it breaks ALL the time for no reason and in the end it's a waste of money..
but yeah buy this so you can think you will make great videos....only after losing a few lol
welcome to FPV
have used the helion for 40 hours now, not a single issue? also had the chimera for 1 year, no issues there too..
I guess it's designed for single use payload... 😂
Sorry, I hadn`t seen your question earlier 🙂 It always takes some time to tune them in and we`ve had quite some issues at the beginning. But it seems to be getting better now. We`ll be posting a short video soon with the mods we`ve made to it!