Is Esteban Ocon a Bad Teammate?
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I like the guy but he had conflicts with every single teammate he ever had, let's stop pretending that that's a coincidence
He didn't with Ricciardo.
And let's not act like Fernando wasn't the shittiest teammate Lewis ever had.
And Checo was at fault for most of the incidents with Ocon
@@LesGrosPiedsDeDeejay Lewis is just like Ocon. He cant handle being beaten, he has had beef with everyone who has been better than him. Alonso, Button, Rosberg, and now Verstappen. He is just a sore lozer.
@@xenonn7275didn't really see much of that with Russell huh, or maybe that's because he wasn't beaten
@@jamesvowlesbutnotreally Russel will come, just wait.
@@LesGrosPiedsDeDeejay Lewis is same as Alonso. both were shit teammates.
Fernando might not be the best teammate, but things are mostly political with his Team than with his teammates on track. Whereas for Ocon its always on track; crashing into your teammates or opponents unnecessarily(Max Verstappen crash while lapped) . I think Fernando tried his best to avoid downfall with his team mate this time. Even when Ocon was aggressive in Jeddah, he played it down. But things really got heated when he started having reliability issues one race after another. Because as far as he is concerned, he was losing time unnecessarily fighting with teammate when he has the pace to fight for positions higher in the order; Hungary was one such example. IMO, the fact that the team didn't do much to address his issues (reliability + Ocon defense) made him burst out . Because, this season Ocon never really had the pace in comparison with Fernando if not for the reliability issues
+1
The Max Ocon incident had Max not been a baby and shoved him. I'd say racing incident.
1) Ocon was faster than Max (He was on Sorts, Max was on Mediums)
2) Max regardless if it's a car on the lead lap or lapped doesn't have the right to cut someone's nose off.
3) Do I really think the penalty was justified at Ocon and not Max? Maybe but that would answer Reason 2
4) I do think though in Max's defense Ocon was being too optimistic in the Senna S because, he would've gotten DRS on the run to Turn 4.
+1
Exactly. Alonso will pull over if his teammate is faster. Ocon won’t. Also, Alonso will never focus on just blocking one competitor. That’s all Ocon focused on with Checo and Alonso n
Fernando's constant reliability problems could have been a catalyst for ocon's problems in which he would have to carry the team
The narrative around Ocon being a bad teammate is overblown imo. Yes, Ocon sometimes fights needlessly hard for positions. However, most of the incidents at Force India were caused by Checo. At Alpine, he's paired with Alonso who doesn't have the best track record when it comes to harmonious teammate relationships. 2007 showed us how much he can get rattled when a teammate matches or is faster than him. Ocon definitely should pick his battles more wisely but he's definitely not a 'bad' teammate in any sense.
Mentioning 2007 without mentioning all the shithousery that went down, and pinning it on Alonso from the looks of your comment, is fun to me LMAO
@@96wtfomg and your point is?
You are mentioning a season 15 years ago to prove your point. And you are ignoring all the shit Alonso suffered from McLaren.
Someone's forgetting the spygate too?
That season means shit.
Even if anything was true, it was 15 years ago. Move on
Nice of you to point out Force India wasn't Ocon's fault while blaming 100% of what went on at McLaren in 2007 on Alonso.
People love to ignore that majoity of the crashes at force India where Perez’s fault, now yes ocon had his moments, Baku especially was just silly. But he and pascal got along pretty well, he and Ricciardo where amazing together, he and latifi and Fuoco all got along really well. Ocon is very aggressive, too aggressive at times, he fights too hard, but blaming it all on him is completely wrong and I have no idea why so many people hate him for it
Because Perez is very popular. So is Alonso actually, despite what his fanbase would have you believe.
Guys like Ocon are present in literally every sport everywhere. People who know that they will always be average both in skill and placement and instead of trying to improve themselves to change their situation they focus more on trying to fight and be petty towards those who are better than them. Ocon is a classic example of a petty average professional in his profession.
No he's not!
Let's not pretend like Alonso hasn't left a team in shambles before.
Yeah, but Alonso is kind of person with very high expectations from the team that he is in actually
Yes, Ocon is a dogshit teammate. It is undeniable. What do you need, 6 MORE crashes into teammates? More stupid defenses that cost the team points? What excuse can you give that cuck of a driver
He never burnt bridges with any team apart from the ron dennis led mclaren in 2007 that was pushing for hamilton. He left ferrari at the end of 2014 because mattiaci pushed him off.
@@johnlau6749 exactly. Hamilton and verstappen blame the team on the radio as soon as their team messes up pitstop or strategy. Imagine giving an unreliable engine and car for 3 years to them, will they praise the team and say everything is cool?
Fernando never blamed mclaren, he blamed the unreliable honda engine that wasted his time, energy and talent.
A proven WC champion made to struggle to finish races and struggle to get to points in average backmarker/midfield cars when he could still win races and championships, year after year. That's just downright depressing.
2 French drivers, both race winners, in a French team. Of course it's going to end badly.
To sum it all up, yes, hes a bad teammate.
Question should be is alonso bad teammate? Agreed estaben also in same category.. Nobody mentions it because another old GOLDEN BOY
I think people forgetting that not every driver needs to be the next Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen. Some drivers (Gasly, Ocon) are good mid fielders. F1 needs good mid fielders, F1 will never have all 10 teams fighting for wins or podiums. So drivers like Gasly and Ocon should always stay in a mid field team like Alpine. The new drivers should start in a Williams or similar (like Russell) and if they prove themselves worthy they can get a seat in a top team. If there are decent they can replace an old or an ok driver in a mid field team (like Vettel retiring). If they are beaten badly (in the Williams or similar) by their teammate they should lose their F1 seat.
I think it really is a strong pairing, performance wise. But I can't shake the feeling that they won't live up to their expectations, causing the team to end lower than they "should be". Mainly because of beef that's going to be triggered because of the history they share. But I hope I'm wrong for thinking that.
We'll see what this season is going to bring us.
It's really no coincedence that Alonso didn't have a problem with Ocon until after it was announced that he was leaving Alpine for Aston Martin.
I don't get how Ocon was in anyway a problem. The only time I saw some sort of issue was in Brazil on the first lap where Alonso got out of shape and hit Ocon and then tried to blame Ocon for the error.
Never liked Alonso. Unjustified arrogance.
Alonso is on another level of performance. Ocon Will end Up being remebered as another Takuma Sato or Khartikeyan, just an average garbage driver.
yes.
No
Maybe
And an update there getting on fine actually, also I think Alonso has a history of not getting on with anyone including the teams he’s had in the past, and also Perez not as much but he used to be very stubborn until he went to Red Bull
Well this video just became a bit more relevant following Japan '23 😬
It won’t be late for him to make an enemy out of Gasly. He is such a bad looser. He just can’t accept others are just better than him. The only reason driving for alpine is he is French.
Controversial opinion.
Ocon > gasly.
Only slightly but still.
I have no doubt, that Ocon and Gasly are going to make the french revolution seem like a peaceful and civilised debate compared to the catastrophes they’re going to cause fighting each other in the lower midfield
Unless Gasly absolutely washes Ocon like Ricciardo did in Renault.
I mean, we said that about Max vs Charles, and the first half of 2022 was tamer than Hakkinen vs Schumacher.
You mean the reign of terror....
Completely right after the disaster at Australian GP xd
@@antonioprosper7584 Add to that the Hungarian GP lolza
He is a good driver but doesn't know his priorities. I feel like he wanted to beat Fernando bad because he feels he has something to prove. It's okay to be competitive, but on the same circuit your teammate puts up one of the best defensive drives in history of the sport to gift you your first victory, you go and almost crash him into a wall, all the while leaving space open for Hamilton to overtake you both... Doesn't know his prioritites
a) Alonso always tries his best against Lewis
b) Alonso is a lewis hater (right from their first season together as teammates)
c) If Alonso didn't hold up lewis for as long as he could, he's basically not good enough in his own mind
Pretty much the reason for Alonso's defensive driving with the icing on the cake--- made him look like he's a great team player that helped Ocon get his first win. All hail Alonso!
What exactly would he gain by letting Lewis through?
Cult LH44 follows me even when Hamilton isn't relevant to the discussion
@@TheM5guy Lewis would have won that race had Alonso not defended so hard. Lewis was significantly faster than everyone else.
Regardless of Lewis' and Fernando's relationship. Alonso played a huge role in Ocon's win.
@@TheM5guy even if you were some master mind reader, which you are not, this doesn't matter. The point is one of them was professional enough to respect their teammate and help them out, and the other felt the need to drive him off the track to feel superior (and yet still end up losing the position anyways).
@@96wtfomgfunny you say that when you mentioned Hamilton in your original comment😂
He didn't have problem with Daniel in Renault. Maybe it is Daniel's character or simply the fact that Daniel outscored him in the championship by almost double points. I believe if Pierre clearly outscored him from the very beginning we will not witness such behavior. If this doesn't happen then Otmar need to put his foot hard on the issue and give strict orders preventing his drivers to fight each other.
He was close to Wehrlein and they didn't have problems . His gp3 teammates and Fuocco he got along fine on track too
@@timmynicolas8729 Wasn't aware of this mate. I have to admit I don't follow F2, or F3
@@TheodoreAggelopoulos with Wehrlein it was in F1 the rest in european F3 where he won the title and in gp3 where he also won it
@@timmynicolas8729 I had totally no memory of this one. Good to know.
I don't think he got near Daniel to trouble him. Perez and Alonso had problems with Ocon
I definitely want a Ocon-Verstappen partnership
2023 edit: didn’t expect this many likes and comments
What are you smoking
@@LordEthan2 nothing, just chaos
@@LordEthan2 we love drama
brilliant
WW3
Another problem Ocon will have teaming Gasly is that Gasly is much more charismatic, if any close racing incidents do occur between the two I'm sure more people would take Gasly's side
It's hard to quantify, but with how much the media appreciates Gastly right now, I do have to agree with you. I can only see Ocon being liked (by everyone) if he somehow manages to command and win a single race.
And that's the issue with part of the current F1 fanbase, they won't even try to look at race footage and get to conclusions with it, they will support whoever they feel is more likeable.
It sometimes feel more like a reality show than an actual sport.
Australia 2023 agrees with you 🙈
Having to fight your way to where they are, it must be tricky to turn that off even a little for your teammate. Ocon’s weaknesses are lacking that bit of pure pace that makes him something really special, and getting on with teammates
Gasly will Beat him.
ocon ego : always beat your teammate to prove for his team even if it hurts the team
@@bananna4486 yet he outscored Hulkenberg by 15 points when he stepped in his shoes. Most of Alonso's problems were strategy/pit crew and reliability. Fernando would only be 0.2-0.3 if luck and strategy were better. He was behind Ocon 8.65 to 8.25 in average race finish position.
@@mvd4436 i think max does that more mate, but you might be knew to f1 so
😅😮
Here after Monaco 2024 where he tried overtake Gasly before the tunnel
😂
I like his tenacity, you need to have this edge when he came up the way he did and had his seat taken by a lesser driver. Off the track tho he's the nicest guy and always respects his peers, that's most important. Work is work
In that case, I can't wait for him to become teammates with Stroll. That's one guy Ocon should definitely run off the road.
This is the best comment I’ve seen, people want this dude to be nicer to back off a little bit is if they don’t know that your chances in Formula One can disappear like smoke in a second. you must fight as if your life depends on it to be in the sport especially coming from where he comes from
@@mattroyce he could get dropped off easier if he keeps crashing and giving the team such amounts of damage
@@mattroyce it creates a very bad image for himself in general to see him ferociously fighting teammates meanwhile allowing others to whizz past. i understand that he wants to stay in f1 and keep his seat but even with all the defending he does, anyone with an unbiased, sane mind would see that alonso was still better especially in terms of race pace. that is what he should and needs to improve upon. he needed to be convincingly stronger and faster than alonso to appear better but he wasn't. ocon replying with herculean defense against strictly his own teammate does nothing apart from putting the spotlight on how he was comfortably outperformed by alonso in both 2021 and 2022.
I like Ocon, I like the story and the work to get to F1 he and the family took. Great driver, pretty stable but I really do sometimes shake my head and see him actively refusing to yield because he has a chip on his shoulder. I think if he just played a bit more of a team game life would be so much easier. What do I know, I dont have millions of dollars or an F1 contract...yet...I am only 34, there is time haha.
You a racing enthusiast?
I do think Otmar is a bigger part of the problem than people think. I think he honestly just reacts too late to these issues and cant do much once theyve spiralled out of his control. Ultimately, I think that perhaps its about time we ask these questions about Otmar.
He’s a hard teammate, last year both Alonso and Ocon worked as one, whether it’s Hungary or Losail they both worked as one which helped them a lot. That said Ocon has a motocross mindset. In moto when you are literally the provider of your family at such a young age, you almost develop like a parent cause in your mind “ that guy who passed me is taking food off our table”. You’re willing to be more aggressive and your teammate is the first person you wanna beat. A great documentary on it is Ryan Villopoto “ 2 to continued” you can find on TH-cam. When you’re racing with that mindset, it’s never enough as Ocon seen in 2019 your opportunities can leave just faster than they’re given.
In a way, you're definitely right about the motocross mindset. Like some motocross pros, Ocon didn't start his career with "f-k you" money unlike 18 of the 20 current drivers (the other being Hamilton, who is one of the most paid now). So, he feels that had he stay in Formula 1, he has to race hard all the time, even teammates. While many have put that against him, Alonso (Ocon's now-former teammate) is kinda the same way; the aggressive driving style and the "my way or the highway" approach. When those two personalities bump into another, 99/100 there will be drama.
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance 18 of 20 is definitely false, you have Vettel, Russell, Bottas, Tsunoda, Gasly, Alonso, Ricciardo who all didn't come from wealth or had famous motorsports athletes in their family
That being said Ocon did say in a beyond the grid interview that his father sold his old house to finance his early Karting career so there was definitely pressure to perform on Ocon
great insight, thanks mate
@@coin5207 all these guys you listed had richer family than most of us combined mate . Them not being billionaire doens't mean they don't come from wealth
@@timmynicolas8729 Bruh what? Where exactly did you pull this information from, your imagination??
Vettel's father was a carpenter
Russell's father was a "small-time business owner dealing in beans and peas"
Bottas' father has a small cleaning company, mother was an undertaker
Tsunodas father was a race car mechanic
Alonso's father was a mechanic working with explosives, mother worked at a department store
What exactly about these jobs screams wealth to you? All of these people had sponsorr early on.
Ricciardo and Gasly seemed to be more well off than the other's on this list but that's still not "f--- you kind of money"
And that's just the 2022 grid. Kimi, (Michael) Schumacher and I'm sure some other legends also came from non-wealthy backgrounds and were supported by sponsors along the way
If you think smashing into your teammate constantly as a positive, then no he's not a bad teammate.
Ocon’s a decent driver. But it’s not coincidental when the only year he hasn’t had a major team incident was when he had his ass handed to him on a plate. Thing is after a couple years of this Alpine are probably getting fed up (having lost two drivers), Ocon’s coming into his last year, and if Esteban can’t match Gasly while making up with Pierre in the process he’s out imo. Being French and decently quick can only get you so far
Except Ocon will wipe the floor with Gasly next year, mark my words.
Ocon has a contract until 2024 included
@@TheM5guy Na Gasly=Ocon. If Ocon doesn't get rid of his ego, things could get ugly between those two.
Decent driver? Are you on drugs? He's one of the top drivers of the planet, come on now
@@Ale-hh1xz definitely not a championship winning driver
What a useless video... I thought we would have some fact checkings, like a list of Ocon's conflicts/collisions, who was to blame, the times when Ocon helped his teammates or his teammates helped him (like Alonso who admitted that he didn't particularly wanted to help Ocon in Hungary but juste wanted Lewis to stay behind him), the context regarding who were his teammates, his behavior in front of the press... but no, just another video of "I think that...". Thanks mate, another useless F1 video on youtube.
I kinda understand Ocon. F1 is a sport where half the grid makes it there by being someone else's son, brother or niece. Many of them just have daddy buy them a spot in detriment of someone who actually earned the position. Ocon is a working class guy, his family literally sold their house so they could pay for his young career. Nobody important cares about him, he has to fight for his seat every single year. Proof of that is daddy Stroll buying Racing Point just to kick Ocon out and put Lance in, even though Ocon was twice the driver Lance was.
It's not easy to make it to a place that is basically a rich kids' club when you are in there because of merits, not money; especially when you are not the best, just better than the rich kids. The only way to make it is by being relentlessly competitive and proving every single time that you are just so much better. And I say this as an Alonso fan - it's sad how their relationship ended up but I don't want to blame anyone.
He's got an ego problem, and its cost Force India and Alpine a lot of points, and I have no doubt it will cost them a lot of points this year
Gasly is an emotional guy, but Ocon is a cunning one
Oh no comments here yet! I m a Pierre Gasly fan, I hope Ocon doesn't get in his way, the guy finally has a car where he can prove himself in 🤞
agreed
Prepare yourself...
I just hope they can avoid causing each other trouble as much as possible, they probably could get alpine to 3rd in the teams championship even if done in a competitive and unhappy manner. I fear that will be difficult to achieve.
I am in the awkward position where I like both drivers in their own ways I like that aggression and tenacity of Ocon and the perseverance and persistence of Gasly, one is a fighter who wont back down and the other is much more textbook and polished but is always looking for improvement.
While I do agree he's not the dream teammate, I also think he is easier to point out as the issue because people don't really relate to him/like him since he's barely involved in social media.
Alonso has had issues with a lot of teammates, and while he gets pointed out for that as well, he gets equally defended by his fans something Ocon can't get
I had similar thoughts. One of Alonsos bad traits is how he lets his ego lead, he is willing to go far in self preservation and self realisation. I feel Ocon has a streak of the same trait, and I'm not at all surprised of how their span as teammates went.
Alonso's only issue as teammate was with hamilton. Alonso is friends to this day with fisichella, and guys like massa and trulli have gone on beyond the grid to say they never had any personal problems with fernando. No problems for nelson piquet jr, button or kimi raikkonen or stoffel as well.
Felipe was his longest teammate, and the only issue he had was that fernando became the team's centre stage and felipe was sidelined. If that's the case for judging how bad a teammate is, then michael schumacher was a bad teammate to rubens barrichello and lewis hamilton was a bad teammate to valtteri bottas.
Fernando has never been a bad teammate. Its just that 2 apex drivers could never survive in the same team for long, like mansell-piquet and senna-prost, so the same thing happened with hamilton-alonso
ocon ego : always beat your teammate to prove for his team even if it hurts the team
Alonso is such a bad teammate that the only victory in F1 Ocon has is thanks to Alonso🤙
Watch him on promo material...
Incredibly fake cheerful attitude.
Almost Dolores Umbridge-level
Anybody here after Monaco 2024?
Well aside from the another Red Bull reject (Danii Kvyat) and well Toro Rosso / Alphatauri having either reject or rookies. Gasly has no real idea how good he is.
Ocon on the meanwhile has had competitive team mates. Checo, Alonso, Riccardo. Drivers who have either A. Been solidified as F1 material or prospect or B. A champion
Do I think it's unfair to compare them? Yes.
But, does that really mean Ocon is a bad teammate. Not necessarily, as said. Growing up with not a lot of wealth and being middle class similar to Hamilton. Who grew up in Stevenage (I might've said it wrong) which is 32 miles or roughly 55 km north of London. Gives you a mentality to perform. No doubt.
So you can clearly see the frustration, the determination and how easy blood can boil.
Yes, it does make his reputation negative but simultaneously. Do you really have a choice to not back down espically coming from humble and unforgiving times?
I'm open to other views this isn't being biased to anyone it's trying to out people on both sides of the coin. How one can percieve someone compared to someone else's view.
Ocon is falling victim to the same thing many passionate artists and athletes do: he's so dedicated to his craft that he doesn't realize when he needs to stop or reign himself in or alternatively, almost worse still, he realizes it but can't stop himself from going on anyways, even at his own expense.
I personally think he is an outstanding driver and does his best with regards to the team. People usually overlook him but he is always consistent
I dont mean to hate at all, but i don't think anything about him is outstanding. He preforms exactly as the car preforms. Which is a great gift and asset to the team, but what qualities do you see in him that set him apart from other drivers? He almost never has stellar drives. He reminds me of lance stroll, does a solid job most of the year, turns up once or twice, but thats it. I think this is what makes people overlook both of them.
@@calvinchesler7604 Nah he's been really good last season. He matched Alonso
@@calvinchesler7604 He is a definitely better driver than stroll. He performs almost all the time but I feel he has always been the second driver to more popular figures. First checo and then alonso, the limelight has always been on them and usually nobody gives a thought to him and most of his performances go unnoticed. Ocon finished ahead of alonso this year but no one notices that.
@@joshflynn2173 Nah, the only way he "matched" Alonso was because Alonso's reliability was atrocious. Race pace he was getting his ass handed to him on a platter, much like how Ricciardo did during his stint in Renault. Ocon is consistent, but he ain't fast.
@@paulbenjamin6597 He only finished ahead of Alonso because Alonso's reliability was a disaster (I think the worst in the grid if I'm not mistaken). Race pace Alonso was beating him consistently.
I can imagine the pairing of Ocon and Gasly will be basically Ocon vs Verstappen Brazil 2018 on a daily basis.
When you have to fight for everything since you started karting, I can understand with him thinking "the only thing I can do is beat the other guy"
Like everybody else. Bullshit argument.
You gotta grow up if you wanna be an F1 champion. He's not a kid anymore. That excuse is lame
He is not a kid anymore... And most of his incidents could have been avoided. He just doesn't know how to do his job
Ocon is a scrappy guy, if he's mean it's because he came up in F1 fighting for his chances. Most relatable driver on the grid and I can forgive/relate to an "attitude problem"
The short answer is: "Yes"
The long answer is: "Yes, and a bad second driver AS WELL"
When you are not in a top Three team, the teamwork is extremely needed.
The guy seems to have a lot of problems with his ego. This year can be his last season.
Hindsight here, you were close. It's this season.
Alpine is going to be a fabulous Parisian Soap Opera next season!
the truth is he only fights dirty with teammates
Further evidence that driver pairings need couples therapy 😂
Ocon + Gasly = Recipe for disaster. I don't think this will end well at all.
“And, Ricciardo being terrible.”
To hear as a Ricciardo fan, this is sad to hear, yet too true to disagree with.
Alonso runs into the back of Ocon in Brazil then blames ocon.. I dont blame Ocon for falling out with a guy that behaves like this. Underrated driver at least
I think its not like he is backstabing everyone or trully hate his team mate. But he has a little too much of an ego. The Fernando or young Seb type of ego. The problem is, he doesnt have Fernando or Seb level of skill.
I think he has Alonso and Seb level of pace, but not quite the control under pace.
Can you blame Ocon for having that sort of tenacity? The dude has had to literally earn his way through his entire career. I don't think he'd let all that work slip by becoming a push over.
Not trying to crash with your teammate (that btw has given you your only win by defending you like mad on the track...) isn't "becoming a push over"
@@TheChzoronzon why would a driver try and crash with their team mate would it would have a high chance of meaning a retirement for themself? Lol
@@TheFatSandwhich Have even seen all the footage of Ocon savagely cutting his team mates lines, "lol"?
Fat pls
@@TheChzoronzon Oh yes, totally purposely going to crash with my team mate to cost myself and him points..
@@TheFatSandwhich You keep missing the point... you aren't the brightest star of the nightsky, are you? :D
them going hard against each other is justified isnt it? i mean ocon is young and cant be outdone by an old driver and alonso wants to prove he's still got it so he cant be outdone by ocon who is young and not as seasoned
Funny how the guy has had problems with every team mate, he was always "doing all the work" yet most of the time he underperformed compared to those same drivers he downplayed😂😂 Esteban Bocon, lacking in class and performance in equal measures as always
He didn't have any conflicts with Ricciardo manly because he was always behind him in races and the rest of his teammates he was was on level terms with them and that's where the conflict occurred
Back when Gasly and Mick where rumored to drive for Alpine, Esteban said in an interview he preferred to have Mick as his teammate. If this is not red flag for the partnership, I don't know what else.
Of course. Ocon's ego will be crushed by Gasly. Mick is an easy choice
@@HibiTeamQueso You say that but both Pierre and Mick struggled this year. With Pierre just having na over all better package of a car and some much higher moments (Baku). Pierre's probably better just due to experience but Mick isnt that far behind. H
@@diegoleonardia5358 Pierre still destroyed Yuki. I think that the Alpha Tauri was just trash this year
Wasn't that way before Gasly was actually rumored ? From memory, he said he'd like Mick as a team mate, but I don't think it was over anyone specifically.
Mick an ocon are really good friends, like they visit each other a lot, so I feel that was more of a helping a friend out
comapred to the gasly-tsunoda partnership (or parent-child relationship) which is one of the best....
Crazy thing about all of this now is if Ocon posts even a picture of his dog on Twitter or Instagram, he'll get called every obscenity in the book.
It’s crazy the hate he gets
that is just not right. Even if someone doesn't like him, no need to treat him like that.
Guess who's loosing and getting even more agressive and shit-talking ?
I don't think he is
But he does have some patience issues
I hope he can work well with Gasly in Alpine
So do I, albeit I just know they will have their scuffles. I hope that they can keep it together enough to actually be a beneficial pairing overall, they don't have to be friends or to always get along on the track they just have to know how not to constantly wreck each other and how to keep their attention on the race as a whole. I know Gasly can do that I haven't seen Ocon do so as much yet hence this video being focused on Ocon and not the pairing as a whole.
They have been issues. Gasly's body language doesn't lie. After Japanese Gp, Gasly turned off the radio and vented about letting Ocon passed by. The team is heatiing up.
What I find funny was at the beginning of last year he was saying how he didn't understand why other drivers said alonso was a bad teammate lmao
Unless Alpine make a title winning car both drivers will support each other. People are forgetting that they are already done with fighting, so they will not fight as badly as Rosberg - Hamilton, because Merc pair never fought before and lashed out everything in a title winning car.
However if Alpine makes a damn good car, things will spice up, as is the case with any driver pairing. Don't you think Alonso is relentless or Max. It's the basic trait of a F1 driver, so blaming Ocon for that is NOT justified.
I doubt Alonso, vettel, Prost, Hamilton, Schumacher or Senna were good teammates.
I think both Gasly and Ocon will be level on points next year.
Come back to this video, Gasly outscored Ocon by 4 points (62-58)
Gasly will probably outscore Ocon by about 20 points by the end of the season
@@LouSassol69er loooooooooool
If his team mates think like Alonso that they'll come into Alpine and walk all over Ocon then they are in for a rude surprise. He'll keep racing no matter what hype/reputation they have so they better be prepared to race hard.
In the case with Checo, I don't really see Esteban as the villain one, because as far as I remember, Checo used to be a real toxic teammate as well. He was lucky that Jenson really held himself up for not throwing toxic comments to the media because otherwise, his career would be over before he knew it.
hahahahaha XD McLaren was the toxic there. Checo only was too young and aggressive. Honestly McLaren almost finished with Checo's career.
Pretty sure a McLaren was the problem back then. They were dragging anyone associated with them down Checo, Jenson, Honda, Alonso...
McLaren were definitely the problem then. They were totally clueless and in utter disarray.
@@ilichio was toxic? McLaren are still toxic now favouring Lando from day one over Ricciardo, then they wonder why Danny doesn’t perform for them. Renault tried its drivers equally when Danny was there and he did well. The move to McLaren came too soon in Checo career and he struggled to deal with team in chaos and decline in McLaren with Ron Dennis. They’ll never win another WDC or CWC.
imagine Ocon being teammate with Ocon.. they would murder each other
This is propaganda from the Alonso press team. Alonso had problems with Hamilton, with Piquet by cheating in Singapore, with Massa, with Button, with Vandoorne and now with Ocon. Esteban had problems only with Perez but Perez had problems with Kamui, Button, Hulkenberg, Ocon and Max. So Ocon is based in facts the less conflictive of them 3.
The issue is all of Esteban's teammates have been some of the most popular F1 drivers and some of the best on the grid. At Force India, Esteban was only at fault for Baku. However at Hungary, Spa, the team orders at Canada, and Singapore, you can all put those on Checo. But people revise this history to say Ocon was the centre of it. Maybe because majority of fans now didn't watch F1 in 2017/18, or maybe because Checo has become loved ever since Racing Point dropped him, but no one recognizes this. He had no issues with Daniel. And Alonso's toxic fanbase overblow every little incident between Alonso and Ocon to make Ocon the bad guy and it works because they're the bigger fanbase. Sure he can be over aggressive and it's a flaw but he's not a bad teammate. He just drives very hard because that's what he's had to do his entire career, and it's not as if Alonso and Perez are saints
Exactly. Now suddenly Perez and Alonso are saints to their teammates. And that's just wrong. Probably 90% of teammates were glad nando left. That's not a coincidence...
between Ocon and alonso, i think the fault is about 50/50
But we must remember that for ocon, those two years were very important, because your partner is someone who is recognised, and if he did get behind, he ould get classified as a second rate driver, and once that happen, you are done
So normal that Ocon did go against Alonso with all he have, everyone in his position would do that.
@@dther6314 yeah. Otherwise he would have been Vandoorne'd... 100%
Honestly this goes both ways. People tend to always like Alonso which leads to them pinning all the blame on Ocon. The reality here is that Alonso can and became pretty notorious for poor teamwork throughout his career, especially when close on points with his teammate, so you can’t pin this to one driver without also recognizing the part that the other driver also played
It's true that Alonso hasn't been the best teammate throughout his career, but I do think he's matured with time
If it had only been Alonso (which would have some pass since he kinda is hard to work with) it would make sense, but he had problems with most if not every teammate he's been with. If one person hates you they might be the problem, if 10 people hate you then you have to start thinking that maybe you are the problem.
Honestly I don't see it as he's a bad teammate it's more of he's doing exactly his job. As a driver except if you're the designated #2, it's your job to beat the guy in the other side of the garage. He's your main rival even more so than the guys around you in the standing. It's not your job as a driver to be buddy buddy with the guy who's also supposed to be your main rival on track.
Now I really want to see Ocon and verstapen in the same team
Fernando helped him win a race it says a lot about Ocon
A year after Alonso gifted him that win 😂
Ocon tried his best as well in Qatar
@@paperplane1471 alonso kept him behind for 8 laps u sure about that
@@espo9505 loool
@@paperplane1471 watch that race properly not sure ur watching the correct race
Ocon is a fanstastic driver, very talented and deeply underrated in my opinon. That said, his mentality is trash. He has zero spotsmanship values and zero charisma on top of that and always acts like a little man. It's really difficult to get any positive feelings about him, really.
Well Ocons only F1 win was 98% Alonsos work...
Ocon fights for his spots thats the reality. The last time he was on a team he lost his seat basically for no reason. He is someone who is hungry and is eager to prove he can be a number 1 driver, I don't think that should suggest he is a bad teammate. When your mindset is to drive to keep your job and prove yourself he has no reason to yield.
Whilst Ocon definitely crossed the boundaries of how hard you can race your teammate with Alonso, I think most of Alonso's problems with Alpine aren't his fault.
Alonso was hoping for a team that was serious about winning the title and Alpine are not willing to address their shortcomings rn. I think what upset Alonso most was the lack of faith Alpine showed in him, be it in Otmar blaming Alonso errors for his lack of points when Alonso blamed reliability issues or Alpine being unwilling to give him a multi-year deal because of his age. It's pretty clear that Alpine preferred Ocon to Alonso which seemed to be due to age and nationality rather than performance.
And he just crashed with Gasly :)
Is not bad.... Is the worst
The last time Renault/Alpine had 2 french drivers was back in the early 80s with Rene Arnoux and Alain Prost.......which we all know didn't end well even though they had a championship winning car those years
i do believe gasly is a little better than we think. He was basically wiping the floor with Kvyat and i do rate kvyat higher than Tsunoda. I don't think he will beat ocon in the first year, but it is possible in 2024.
lot of drivers are beasts, once their helmet is on. if esteban is a gentleman outside the car, it only prove its perfect mentality and determination.
im comenting just from a minute in the video, ocon made him self so important to the team, while ruining everything on track, and its not just alonso, he had issues with perez too.
Ocon on his own is a decent driver but he's not one to yield if he's dead set on outmatching someone in the sport. I like his tenacity as a person especially given that he's making full use of his 2nd chance in F1, but he needs to choose his battles next year. He can't try to fight everyone.
I like ya videos lad but can you please stop exaggerating your voice to an annoying level, just chill out fella
Yes. Typical coworker fake smiling every second but you know he will stab you whenever he has the opportunity.
Ocon? If you mean him its probably not fake his on and off track self are differnt look at Danny Rick obviously not as aggrressive but he'll scrap if he has to. He's way too aggressive with his teamates I'll agree
its not ocon's fault, he just should not have team mates
I have to disagree… I felt Perez was at flat fat more often than Ocon during their spell at Force India together. I think the ‘reputation’ Ocon is being given is harsh.
Seems every teammate Ocon has had ( DR no history in public anyway) has ended with problems. I'm betting the Gasly pair will end in tears it's just a matter of time.
Ocon and Alonso when they work together can do great things. Sad to see the relationship broke down at the end.
More like Alonso working for ocon...
He's French...
Am I the only one who likes Ocon a lot more then Gasly?
Yes u are
Alonso gave ocon a win by defending against ham and ocon always holds his teammates back by not getting out of the way
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeees
I don't get the point of this video. If Ocon's comments on him doing 98% of the work are accurate, and for some reason i believe it is (i mean did anybody see ad campaigns and the like with Fernando this year?) then it's Fernando that proves (once more, shall i add) that he is perhaps the most toxic driver ever to come out of F1, and, arguably, the worst teamate ever (even JB wanted to pee in his seat, says a lot really)
Probably just to make excuses for ALO, like pretty much all F1 media do now. I mean, all the garbage about Ocon being a bad teammate and a bad driver are coming from a driver who literally fake-retired his car at McLaren when his races were going poorly.
Any driver who is competitive to him in the same team is going to have issues the only time he was fine was Danny Ric who was always way ahead of him on track.
7:35 I thought he peed himself
French+Spanish the worst combination ever?
It's BTW !! think about it .. this sponsor is a curse
It's literally just "west France"
With the same pronunciation 😂