@@fpvangel4495 Business idea: simple links to a known website that's only host conversations, like discord but complete anonymity. It could cancel out the big corpo/gov' censorship.
Beau and Sargon are very well read on mainstream history but it would do them well to learn more about prehistory. Having STJ on Epochs is a great idea
I recently got a pair of in-ear monitors for work. Listening to lotus eaters on those has really made me appreciate the production value of this operation. That islander ambiance is amazing, and the mic set up sounds better than just about any other I've listened to. Bravo on your production.
Great high-quality content 🙂 Pomponius Mela, Geography, 3.18: “The Celts possess eloquence and maintain their own teachers of wisdom in the Druids. These men claim to know the size and shape of the earth and the universe. They interpret the movements of the sky and stars and claim to know what the gods intend. Their education is a secret and prolonged process extending across twenty years.” (The better known comments are by Caesar, Gallic War, 6.14).
Fascinating. I think modern technology has more to show of our history. Four thousand years ago, our ancestors had the same capacity to learn compared to today
I've always liked Tom but when he says that Homer is much better than Virgil, i want to hang out and go down the pub with him. Keep up the good work with STJ.
There's a very big mistake often made about civilian defensive positions. (At this stage in history, these types of) Forts, and castles for that matter, aren't signs of war or even thoughts of aggression nor even control over "outside others". They're signs of prolonged, several generations long, periods of peace and growth of wealth, and of people dreading the loss of what they're building and accomplishing together, in an area that is uncontentedly theirs. The people weren't preparing for something specific, they were hoping "nothing" would ever happen if they were prepared enough. A (at this stage of history, not part of a large established country/empire, but a rather self sufficient) community can only spend 2-5-10-25-50-+ years building something if everyone is living together peacefully and providing for these great projects to be completed. City defenses aren't about the short "war times" when they are needed to be used defensively against an outside force, they're signs of peaceful, coordinated, internal development right up until that (sometimes sadly final) point. Aggressive peoples focus on training soldiers from a young age naturally by having it ingrained in their way of life, not on having societies that have enough prosperity that there's enough freedom of labour to have forts and castles build.
@@davelowe1977 Yup, it's a big mental switch about the perception of the medieval ages, that sadly a lot of people can't make because of how the those centuries get made to look as if it was all about kings besieging castles all the time. It's history activity bias. We tell history based on the active events, not on the large periods of nothing happening in between. Hell, we call the first couple hundreds years of peace "the dark ages", as if it was some sad dark period of war and violence, but it's literally just called "dark" because so little happened, all while people were actually just living happily together, after being dominated by actual warlike/aggressive cultures that left no permanent presence, for hundreds of years before. The fact that Europa is littered with forts and castles isn't because there were lots of wars, it's because there was lots of long periods of peace in which those forts and castles could be build. It's the areas/continents that have had people living there for thousands of years, WITHOUT forts and castles, that are the places were people war/raid each other back into nothingness constantly, every generation.
Hillforts were placed in locations aligned with each others . They create complicated grid of lines . Some examples of geometric connection : Glastonbury Tor- Silbury Hill - Wittenham Clumps Little Solsbury - Cley Hill - Badbury Rings Maiden Castle - Eggardon Hill fort - Pilsdon Pen Maiden Castle - Figsbury Ring - Beacon Hill Cissbury Ring - Silchester - Bodbury Ring
@Survivethejive We have an iron age hill fort, or fairy fort as we call it ! on our farm in Co. Tyrone. It's marked on the old archaeological survey map. A huge megalithic standing stone nearby, along the old trackway to Knockmany Passage Tomb 10 miles away, was smashed to bits in the 1960's by another disgruntled farmer ! The fort is almost perfectly aligned with Grianán of Aileach in Donegal and it has astrological /solar alignments with the solstices . It has never been excavated and it is protected on private land.
In the premodern era, heads of cattle is the main descriptor of anyone wealth. It's not warriors, it's not weapons, it's not grains, it's not serfs, it's not cloth, it's not land, it's not metal. It's CATTLE. You do realize money is an extremely recent invention (appeared VIIth BC), to say nothing of banknotes (appeared in XVIIth). To iron age people, piece of metal meant absolutely nothing, the most you could batter with was a head of cattle. Where do you put your money ? In a safe. So, where would you put your precious cattle ? Hillforts are oversized kraals, end of story.
I tend to agree with you Cattle has many more uses than say.. Grains Therefore, worth more in value My mother's maiden name is STORER The keepers of the Agricultural and textile stores We have a Coat of Arms .. Knight's helmet with an Ergot perched on top... And our motto is one of the most famous ones.. DUM SPIRO SPERO While I have breath I HOPE 🤗💚🛡
@umwha grains can't pull a plough Or turn water, grain mill wheels. Cattle hide has many applications - clothing - civilian, work, and military. water pouches. musical instruments ( drum skins and drum bone sticks), Food The list goes on Grains applications are... Just food and yes currency.. So yes, I think Beast had more value than grains
Doesn’t explain why one population would build (forts) while the other didn’t. It’s not a tit-for-tat, cattle raiding conflict, there’s some other dynamic going on.
@@Inquisitor_Vex Each of these forts were built, rebuilt and re-rebuilt over many hundreds of years. The first generation has a wooden hut with a turf roof. Not much to do at the weekends, so they sling up a circular earth mound to prevent the cattle and pigs from getting out. The next generation make it bigger. The grandkids add an outer ditch and mound. Their extended family add a further ring. Conspicuous wealth makes them a target for any clan whose crops have failed, so they need a defensive structure. 3,000+ forts means 3,000+ family-clans.
@@Inquisitor_Vex Nobody compelled you to read it. 3,000+ hillforts seems like a lot. Every hill fort started very small and was rebuilt over many hundreds of years. 3,000+ doesn't seem a lot any more.
Thank you for being willing to look at modern-day accomplishments as justifications for greatness, rather than the false and oft silly theories about the origins of the British folk. So many folks who rely upon silly details and false stories just cannot seem motivated to do great things themselves, and pointing to modern-day accomplishments, apart from being a virtue of avoiding false history, is a great way to remedy that.
The Germanic claim concerning writing isn't entirely true, in Viking Novgorod there was poems, ledgers, travel advice, shopping lists, contracts, IOUs etc... written on birch bark...
That indeed is a major question?! Also.. You'd have to have a very big, valuable herd to warrant others spending their time and resources, which were required, to carry out a successful siege I come from a town that was put under siege... Newark-on-Trent TH-cam- Under siege: Newark
Tap o Noth and Mither Tap. Impressive structures. First is vitrifried. Climate must of been much more forgiving, in that era. As during winter now. They are very unforgiving
There was significant climate change during the Iron Age - a 600 year cold period with some especially cold decades. This possibly led to competition for resources, and possibly the development of hill forts.
Prior to modern commerce there were only a few ways of gaining wealth and power one was producing food or natural resources like metals and another was raiding, pillaging, and conquest
Pretty clear to me. A travelling salesmen was pitching hillforts to everyone, like in the Simpsons episode about the monorail. Before long, everybody wanted one, because their neighbours had been sold one. 🏰 💰 🏴
My earliest ancestor is Harold the Dane, 1st Lord of Biaritz. He was a kinsman of Rollo (1st Duke of Normandy). If anyone wants their family tree done for free, I'm your man.
From the twentieth century there were more Tanks than before then, does that mean there was more war? Or does it just mean that technology, culture and society had had changed?
Personally, I think that people often tend to think of 'tribes' or ancient 'states' in competition with each other to try to explain why hill forts were built. But there are lots of fortified hilltop cities still in living existence in Europe. Such as Cortona, Monte Pulciano or Montalcino in Italy These were built originally, because they were situated in a patchwork of individual city states. Each fortified hilltop city looking after it's own defence, by situating themselves on top of hills and building curtain walls around themselves. And each city state in perpetual conflict with it's neighbours. Surely these are direct analogues to the more ancient form of what we now call 'hillforts', in Britain? And doesn't this offer a much more satisfying explanation as to why there are so many of them, sometimes quiet close together. Later on, in the immediate pre-Roman times these citadels fell out of use simply because the 'Celtic tribes' were formed, thus rendering the defences of the individual hill-top city states useless, as the organisation of the 'tribe' (such as the Catuvelauni for example) grew to the level of a Kingdom, under the jurisdiction and protection of a King and his warband, rather than lots of independent 'city states' all obsessed with their own defence and warring with each other?
Pastoralists v Agriculturalists. This sounds so much like the Aryan invasion of Europe. We can see how agriculture gods (Greek Titans & Norse Vanir) were superseded by Indo-European gods, like the Olympians & the Æsir.
these are centuries before land draining, same as ancient churches, all were islands more or less...you need to get an 18th Catury book about Welsh relics, it measures everything 'pre' and 'post' flood, with no reference to J.C at all.
Yup, lots of separate tribes fighting and raiding each other constantly for thousands of years. Of course there's going to hill forts all over the place.
Phenomenal amount of hard graft required to build those forts. I couldn't help thinking that tribes might pillage manpower from neighbours and force them to work on the ramparts. Of course once you start this sort of thing it escalates... ?
Acheogenetics could pinpoint humanity most violent genetic lineages. If the world is to be friendly and breeding becomes more and more algorithmically determined it would make sense not to proliferate excessively violent genetic lineages.
The agriculture industry took hold in lowland Scotland first, spreading eventually into the Highlands, this was relatively recently but the lands were cleared. The common people lost their ancestral lands and we entered into the tax, slave Crown system. Before that we had many invaders from the likes of the vatican. Our history is a mess and very convoluted since we have already been through 2 or 3 resets with another upon us.
Multi reasons can be yes defence for sure but also inundation from cataclysm's hence why so high up remember you can also defend lower areas. but very high hill forts is not a good area to live except if a real reason. Also after cataclysm like if likely will occur soon small bands will be predatory in nature but also survival. `Hill fort to me is a safe place to retreat the centre like a bunker.
Those forts were built over a period of perhaps a thousand years. That's only three per year. The forts were like cathedrals. They weren't built in just a few years. They were built, rebuilt and re-rebuilt over many hundreds of years.
Sounds like they might just be toll booths set up by early entrepreneurs, even the grain stores don't predispose they were part of the sedantry farmers society directly.
Were the Hillforts built providentially by British ancestors in order to provide sanctuaries for English girls seeking safety and security from foreign raiders seeking to groom them?
Supposedly, we're the offspring of Polyphemus and Galatea, or the offspring of the Cyclopes. "Appian credited them with three children, Celtus, Illyrius and Galas, from whom descend the Celts, the Illyrians and the Gauls respectively." Wiki article on Polyphemus. The word, Cyclops, it is thought, did not define a person with one eye, but a horse lover. The Yamnaya that spread through Europe domesticated the horse, and rode them.
I'm familiar with the Polyphemus/Galatea story, but I'm genuinely curious if you can cite the etymological source of Cyclopes meaning "horse lover"? My understanding is "kuklos" is the root, meaning circle.
Do not watch this, instead read Anything by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett, Regarding the History of Brittania. The Khumry/Cymru/Welsh/Brittish. Anglo Saxons arrived after a comet of 562 AD into a devastated land. The Britts went to Brittany for a decade. The time of Arthur the 2nd.
No Celts in Britain. Peace / Heddwch from the Cymru who were here since the receding of the ice around 10000 ago. Celt is only a term conceived to sow otherness. Many of those who were to become the English have been in the island for as long as the Cymry.
You must remember that the Belgae & other tribes of NW Gaul; & Britain, i e Parisi?; were not 'Celtic', Tacitus does not call any Gauls or Britons 'Celts', but rather these are more German, having 'crossed the Rhine in recent times'. The more western Gauls, Iberians, western Britons & Irish may well have been 'Celts', indeed the ONLY people name 'Celts' are the Celtiberians of the Iberian peninsula. It is therefore likely that the 'Celtic' branches of the Indo- European languages arose/developed on the Atlantic coastal fringe regions, spreading, with the people of that culture from what is now Spain & Portugal along the coast northward through western Gaul, into western Britain, Ireland, up into the northern isles. The eastern parts of Britain was occupied by those peoples, related to them, opposite them across the North Sea & Channel, which means the 'half German' Belgae, & fully German tribes of the Rhineland, through to north Germany & the Jutland peninsula. There is no reason to suppose that Britain, or even mainland Europe, was monoglot at this time, or at any time. It is perfectly possible. & highly likely, that different regional groups, & tribes spoke different languages, & various dialect forms within those, & that some were as likely to have been Germanic, or proto-Germanic, as proto-Brythonic or 'Celtic'. It is NOT clear in the ancient sources that 'Gallic' equates with 'Celtic', for this is nowhere stated, though it seems to have been readily assumed by modern 'scholars' without real questioning. However, there is no problem in stating that 'Druids' had to learn their 'craft' in Britain, so they had to have a common language, as long as in some part of Britain that was true. It still does not need to be the language of all Britons, or even all 'Gauls'. If, as I suspect, a Germanic language had long been the tongue of much of lowland & eastern Britain, this would be reinforced by the centuries of the recruitment of Germanic Auxiliary troops to serve in the Roman army in Britannia, intensified again by the further employment of Germanic Mercenaries from the 4th century on, & maybe allowed the final, fatal invitation of the legendary 'Hengist & Horsa', in the early 5th century. There would have been no need for the supposed dramatic language shift among the Romano-Britons, from a Brythonic/Celtic tongue to a new proto-English one, which always seemed somewhat far fetched, because these people were well known to each other & indeed were related through centuries of migration from the same regions.
I found that my Norse ancestors as seen on the Bayeux tapestry introduced the Motte and Bailey mountain fortress to Britain and it was introduced to Gaul or France by Bjorn ironside from Thor also known as Bjorn and the Motte and Bailey is a sacred mountain fortress comprised of a mountain of Jord the earth mother with a hall modelled after the hall of Odin the Yule father called Valhalla and the Motte and Bailey is associated with the burial mound of Bjorn iron side, it is most possible that the sacred Norse highlander chieftains of Scotland and the Dane law who are freedom fighters allied to the the sacred Norse chieftain of the Northmen of North money in France who were helping each other save the defeated Saxon empire of Widukind that lives in North money also had a few of their own sacred highlander Motte and bailey castles that i associated with the Scottish title highlander which may refer to the Norse ancestors of Scotland being Valkyrie blooded from Valhalla the hall of the fallen or brave.
"In the Gaelic regions of the British Isles the Irish.." - seems to stick in his throat that the Irish lived in their own independent country of Ireland, and not in a British sub-region
I've seen a website which claims 60k for Ireland, and also another which has listed them all as 4k for both islands. I would guess definitions differ. :D
This guy needs to catch up to the 21st century. Genetic evidence has debunked the theory of large-scale Celtic migration from the mainland. The people of the British Isles sre descendants of native Bell Beaker people who adopted Celtic language and culture.
People went from living in unenclosed settlements to building massive ditched enclosures around themselves. I highly doubt this was for anything other than protection and a show of might.
In 2024 to learn about your heroic ancestors and the history of your ancestral homeland is a revolutionary act.
Wow they blocked my reply!
@@fpvangel4495 YT is impossible to converse on
@@ShermanistDruid Indeed it is, i have very important info related to this topic.
@@fpvangel4495 Business idea: simple links to a known website that's only host conversations, like discord but complete anonymity.
It could cancel out the big corpo/gov' censorship.
@@ShermanistDruidConverse in the real world and build something
I think we might need to recommission those Forts soon to defend against the tyrannical Labour Party . . .
Already planning and organising honey, you and others should be doing the same 👌
"Be prepared" is a sensible motto 😊
We could also do with re learning the art of the sling. An ancient tool that is impossible to ban by government legislation.
Labour and the Tories are building an army of colonists.
Know thy enemy....not Labour in particular, but Globalists in general.
Begins fortifying pubs...
This is the best series ever. Please do more topics like this.
Know your history.
Someone doesnt like this topic already, theyre blocking my comments.
Absolutely this
@@fpvangel4495 it's you, I'm shadow banned on Labrador training pages 😅. it happens when you speak too much logic or reasoning.
@@BOAR-yv9nj Yes i am seeing that, talk about suppressed.
One forgotten part of life back then was the large predators - wild boar, wolves, and bears - as well as other people stealing your cattle.
Beau and Sargon are very well read on mainstream history but it would do them well to learn more about prehistory. Having STJ on Epochs is a great idea
Always happy to see Tom!!!
Tom is a gem
Survive the Jive - The description needs updating to promote Tom and his channel more.
I recently got a pair of in-ear monitors for work. Listening to lotus eaters on those has really made me appreciate the production value of this operation. That islander ambiance is amazing, and the mic set up sounds better than just about any other I've listened to. Bravo on your production.
Great high-quality content 🙂 Pomponius Mela, Geography, 3.18: “The Celts possess eloquence and maintain their own teachers of wisdom in the Druids. These men claim to know the size and shape of the earth and the universe. They interpret the movements of the sky and stars and claim to know what the gods intend. Their education is a secret and prolonged process extending across twenty years.” (The better known comments are by Caesar, Gallic War, 6.14).
Thanks
I've got a funny feeling that we will need to start living in them again soon.
Fascinating. I think modern technology has more to show of our history. Four thousand years ago, our ancestors had the same capacity to learn compared to today
Oooh i love seeing STJ content, Tom is the goat 🐐
I've always liked Tom but when he says that Homer is much better than Virgil, i want to hang out and go down the pub with him. Keep up the good work with STJ.
Peter Griffin is better than Homer.
This is a nice change of pace you should do more of it. Thanks.
Try reading the Charters of the Kings from Wales. Feels like the works of Wilson & Blackett would blow your friggin minds.
Will they build forts during the Machete age?
This is how they erase history.
Yes, they’re called mosques.
Honor you forebears by standing up!
Only towards the end when all has been lost. Defensive structures always portent eventual defeat.
@@Jack10016 Mosques are rarely in easily defendable positions and are built on cheap land with little use to anyone else.
There's a very big mistake often made about civilian defensive positions. (At this stage in history, these types of) Forts, and castles for that matter, aren't signs of war or even thoughts of aggression nor even control over "outside others". They're signs of prolonged, several generations long, periods of peace and growth of wealth, and of people dreading the loss of what they're building and accomplishing together, in an area that is uncontentedly theirs. The people weren't preparing for something specific, they were hoping "nothing" would ever happen if they were prepared enough.
A (at this stage of history, not part of a large established country/empire, but a rather self sufficient) community can only spend 2-5-10-25-50-+ years building something if everyone is living together peacefully and providing for these great projects to be completed.
City defenses aren't about the short "war times" when they are needed to be used defensively against an outside force, they're signs of peaceful, coordinated, internal development right up until that (sometimes sadly final) point.
Aggressive peoples focus on training soldiers from a young age naturally by having it ingrained in their way of life, not on having societies that have enough prosperity that there's enough freedom of labour to have forts and castles build.
Very interesting.
@@davelowe1977 Yup, it's a big mental switch about the perception of the medieval ages, that sadly a lot of people can't make because of how the those centuries get made to look as if it was all about kings besieging castles all the time.
It's history activity bias. We tell history based on the active events, not on the large periods of nothing happening in between. Hell, we call the first couple hundreds years of peace "the dark ages", as if it was some sad dark period of war and violence, but it's literally just called "dark" because so little happened, all while people were actually just living happily together, after being dominated by actual warlike/aggressive cultures that left no permanent presence, for hundreds of years before.
The fact that Europa is littered with forts and castles isn't because there were lots of wars, it's because there was lots of long periods of peace in which those forts and castles could be build. It's the areas/continents that have had people living there for thousands of years, WITHOUT forts and castles, that are the places were people war/raid each other back into nothingness constantly, every generation.
@@DutchFurnace No castles in Africa then.
Nah, defensive fortifications were needed to protect their stolen stockpiles from the agricultural farmers they stole from.
@@flamesintheattic What are you even talking about?
Thank you gentlemen
Interesting!!
Could the forts be not only for war but to protect communities from wild animals?
Hillforts were placed in locations aligned with each others . They create complicated grid of lines . Some examples of geometric connection :
Glastonbury Tor- Silbury Hill - Wittenham Clumps
Little Solsbury - Cley Hill - Badbury Rings
Maiden Castle - Eggardon Hill fort - Pilsdon Pen
Maiden Castle - Figsbury Ring - Beacon Hill
Cissbury Ring - Silchester - Bodbury Ring
@Survivethejive We have an iron age hill fort, or fairy fort as we call it ! on our farm in Co. Tyrone. It's marked on the old archaeological survey map. A huge megalithic standing stone nearby, along the old trackway to Knockmany Passage Tomb 10 miles away, was smashed to bits in the 1960's by another disgruntled farmer ! The fort is almost perfectly aligned with Grianán of Aileach in Donegal and it has astrological /solar alignments with the solstices . It has never been excavated and it is protected on private land.
Tom Rowsell is great! Have him on a lot more pls.
In the premodern era, heads of cattle is the main descriptor of anyone wealth.
It's not warriors, it's not weapons, it's not grains, it's not serfs, it's not cloth, it's not land, it's not metal. It's CATTLE.
You do realize money is an extremely recent invention (appeared VIIth BC), to say nothing of banknotes (appeared in XVIIth). To iron age people, piece of metal meant absolutely nothing, the most you could batter with was a head of cattle.
Where do you put your money ? In a safe.
So, where would you put your precious cattle ?
Hillforts are oversized kraals, end of story.
Fascinating. You’d think that cattle would appear more prominently in our culture and mythology wouldnt you?
@@umwha
It does..
All hail Steak 🥩
I tend to agree with you
Cattle has many more uses than say.. Grains
Therefore, worth more in value
My mother's maiden name is STORER
The keepers of the Agricultural and textile stores
We have a Coat of Arms ..
Knight's helmet with an Ergot perched on top...
And our motto is one of the most famous ones..
DUM SPIRO SPERO While I have breath I HOPE 🤗💚🛡
@@grahamfisher5436 yet grains are a lot more prominent in our mythology. Perhaps your estimation of the usefulness of cattle and grains is reversed
@umwha grains can't pull a plough
Or turn water, grain mill wheels.
Cattle hide has many applications - clothing - civilian, work, and military.
water pouches. musical instruments ( drum skins and drum bone sticks),
Food
The list goes on
Grains applications are...
Just food
and yes currency..
So yes, I think
Beast had more value than grains
Young men going cattle raiding was almost a pastime... not hard to think of this as an escalation of that phenomenon.
@@lazzymclandrover4447 it was a way of life. Look at how far we've fallen 😥
Doesn’t explain why one population would build (forts) while the other didn’t.
It’s not a tit-for-tat, cattle raiding conflict, there’s some other dynamic going on.
@@Inquisitor_Vex Each of these forts were built, rebuilt and re-rebuilt over many hundreds of years. The first generation has a wooden hut with a turf roof. Not much to do at the weekends, so they sling up a circular earth mound to prevent the cattle and pigs from getting out. The next generation make it bigger. The grandkids add an outer ditch and mound. Their extended family add a further ring. Conspicuous wealth makes them a target for any clan whose crops have failed, so they need a defensive structure. 3,000+ forts means 3,000+ family-clans.
@@FredScuttle456 you just explained what a hill fort is? How/why is that relevant/ why @ me for that?
@@Inquisitor_Vex Nobody compelled you to read it.
3,000+ hillforts seems like a lot.
Every hill fort started very small and was rebuilt over many hundreds of years.
3,000+ doesn't seem a lot any more.
No doubt ancient old grown trees limited pasturage making open fields a magnet for migrating herdsmen who followed trad paths.
Not to mention the cost of clearing forests for fields! Massive competition for open pasture for grazing vs growing
'Miss Marple' might suspect migrants followed river systems with their herds finding pleasant pasturage on flood line flats.
Trees don't grow on high ground, the weather and ground conditions prevent.
Great speaker and topic.
Thank you for being willing to look at modern-day accomplishments as justifications for greatness, rather than the false and oft silly theories about the origins of the British folk. So many folks who rely upon silly details and false stories just cannot seem motivated to do great things themselves, and pointing to modern-day accomplishments, apart from being a virtue of avoiding false history, is a great way to remedy that.
If I lived in the Iron Age and I’d sorted survival. I wanna build something, may as well build forts.
Careful with STJ. You might have too much to think.
Love the videos
Cissbury ring has been my stomping ground for over 35 years!
Brilliant!
Toms is brilliant and sooo easy on the eye!!! LOL
The Germanic claim concerning writing isn't entirely true, in Viking Novgorod there was poems, ledgers, travel advice, shopping lists, contracts, IOUs etc... written on birch bark...
Most of those were in Greek-derived Cyrillic script, recording east Slavic language.
@@copperlemon1 Not at first, later this is true, but the inhabitants of what was Holmegaard and became Novgorod wrote them using runes.
Remember history, or repeat the mistakes.
Read books while you can folks ! Can't get into the memory hole, when it's gone, it's gone.
Cheers 😔
the biggest mystery about the hillforts is that most of them don't have a water source. They wouldn't be able to withstand a siege.
That indeed
is a major question?!
Also..
You'd have to have a very big, valuable herd
to warrant others spending their time and resources, which were required, to carry out a successful siege
I come from a town that was put under siege...
Newark-on-Trent
TH-cam-
Under siege: Newark
This is very interesting to me, because I live right next to an iron age hill fort, thanks for the video.
Tap o Noth and Mither Tap. Impressive structures. First is vitrifried. Climate must of been much more forgiving, in that era. As during winter now. They are very unforgiving
Getting Evil Dead vibes off those closing shots through the woods.
Ayyyyyy! STJ!
I didn't know there were that many, wow.
Cant it just be what its says on the tin a safe place where you can live and not have your goods or animals or people taken as slaves ?
There was significant climate change during the Iron Age - a 600 year cold period with some especially cold decades. This possibly led to competition for resources, and possibly the development of hill forts.
There had to be a massive element of "bro let's build this awsome fort for all the bros" involved. And that is a good thing.
Prior to modern commerce there were only a few ways of gaining wealth and power one was producing food or natural resources like metals and another was raiding, pillaging, and conquest
Pretty clear to me. A travelling salesmen was pitching hillforts to everyone, like in the Simpsons episode about the monorail. Before long, everybody wanted one, because their neighbours had been sold one. 🏰 💰 🏴
MONO!....doh!
I live very close to two iron age hill forts; mam tor, and castle naze in the peak District, Derbyshire.
My earliest ancestor is Harold the Dane, 1st Lord of Biaritz. He was a kinsman of Rollo (1st Duke of Normandy). If anyone wants their family tree done for free, I'm your man.
Now that is a very generous offer
From the twentieth century there were more Tanks than before then, does that mean there was more war?
Or does it just mean that technology, culture and society had had changed?
there is 800 plus hillforts in southern Scotland alone
Personally, I think that people often tend to think of 'tribes' or ancient 'states' in competition with each other to try to explain why hill forts were built. But there are lots of fortified hilltop cities still in living existence in Europe. Such as Cortona, Monte Pulciano or Montalcino in Italy These were built originally, because they were situated in a patchwork of individual city states. Each fortified hilltop city looking after it's own defence, by situating themselves on top of hills and building curtain walls around themselves. And each city state in perpetual conflict with it's neighbours. Surely these are direct analogues to the more ancient form of what we now call 'hillforts', in Britain? And doesn't this offer a much more satisfying explanation as to why there are so many of them, sometimes quiet close together. Later on, in the immediate pre-Roman times these citadels fell out of use simply because the 'Celtic tribes' were formed, thus rendering the defences of the individual hill-top city states useless, as the organisation of the 'tribe' (such as the Catuvelauni for example) grew to the level of a Kingdom, under the jurisdiction and protection of a King and his warband, rather than lots of independent 'city states' all obsessed with their own defence and warring with each other?
Pastoralists v Agriculturalists.
This sounds so much like the Aryan invasion of Europe. We can see how agriculture gods (Greek Titans & Norse Vanir) were superseded by Indo-European gods, like the Olympians & the Æsir.
And tbe Tuatha de Danan coming to Ireland supplanting the Formorians and firbolg
Sounds like the farmers were the agressors in this scenario, maybe even stealing people from the nomad types to use as slave labour in the fields.
these are centuries before land draining, same as ancient churches, all were islands more or less...you need to get an 18th Catury book about Welsh relics, it measures everything 'pre' and 'post' flood, with no reference to J.C at all.
WHY??? In ancient Britain was a dangerous place.
Yup, lots of separate tribes fighting and raiding each other constantly for thousands of years. Of course there's going to hill forts all over the place.
Phenomenal amount of hard graft required to build those forts. I couldn't help thinking that tribes might pillage manpower from neighbours and force them to work on the ramparts. Of course once you start this sort of thing it escalates... ?
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I blame them fekkin Beaker People with their pots.
Ancient hill forts, very based
When things advance, you will want to defend it or fight for it, no mystery
Acheogenetics could pinpoint humanity most violent genetic lineages.
If the world is to be friendly and breeding becomes more and more algorithmically determined it would make sense not to proliferate excessively violent genetic lineages.
The agriculture industry took hold in lowland Scotland first, spreading eventually into the Highlands, this was relatively recently but the lands were cleared. The common people lost their ancestral lands and we entered into the tax, slave Crown system.
Before that we had many invaders from the likes of the vatican. Our history is a mess and very convoluted since we have already been through 2 or 3 resets with another upon us.
IMO, the Bell Beakers were Q-Celtic speakers. Transhumance is still a thing among the Gaels.
You have *it* in you.
Champion!
They probably built alot more forts due to the increase in violence and raids in the period/s leading up to the idea to built fortifications.
In b4 the booty bots.
Worship of meteorites, eh? Wonder where that comes from...
Multi reasons can be yes defence for sure but also inundation from cataclysm's hence why so high up remember you can also defend lower areas. but very high hill forts is not a good area to live except if a real reason. Also after cataclysm like if likely will occur soon small bands will be predatory in nature but also survival. `Hill fort to me is a safe place to retreat the centre like a bunker.
Tribes, there would have been many rivals.
3,300 forts, that seems impressive. Has there been any studies to see how that works out per capita?
About 300 people per fort in the height of the iron age.
Caesar's Gallic War could give you indications. The population figures that draw the most interest are: Julius Caesar, Gallic War, book 1, passage 29.
Those forts were built over a period of perhaps a thousand years. That's only three per year.
The forts were like cathedrals. They weren't built in just a few years.
They were built, rebuilt and re-rebuilt over many hundreds of years.
Old school. Build 3000+ forts. Still stand today
New school. Plan to build 1.5 million homes. (That will be falling down in 10 years)..... 😂
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Sounds like they might just be toll booths set up by early entrepreneurs, even the grain stores don't predispose they were part of the sedantry farmers society directly.
Locate their rainbows and let me know their GPS coordinates - and you shall find out.
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@@electricelf-music This was my 2nd comment, thanks for letting me know.
Were the Hillforts built providentially by British ancestors in order to provide sanctuaries for English girls seeking safety and security from foreign raiders seeking to groom them?
Supposedly, we're the offspring of Polyphemus and Galatea, or the offspring of the Cyclopes.
"Appian credited them with three children, Celtus, Illyrius and Galas, from whom descend the Celts, the Illyrians and the Gauls respectively." Wiki article on Polyphemus.
The word, Cyclops, it is thought, did not define a person with one eye, but a horse lover. The Yamnaya that spread through Europe domesticated the horse, and rode them.
The Gauls are not the Celts. Interesting.
I'm familiar with the Polyphemus/Galatea story, but I'm genuinely curious if you can cite the etymological source of Cyclopes meaning "horse lover"? My understanding is "kuklos" is the root, meaning circle.
Do not watch this, instead read Anything by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett, Regarding the History of Brittania. The Khumry/Cymru/Welsh/Brittish. Anglo Saxons arrived after a comet of 562 AD into a devastated land. The Britts went to Brittany for a decade. The time of Arthur the 2nd.
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No Celts in Britain. Peace / Heddwch from the Cymru who were here since the receding of the ice around 10000 ago. Celt is only a term conceived to sow otherness. Many of those who were to become the English have been in the island for as long as the Cymry.
My forbears the Cymry are the only population group to write in a highly
Formulaic Celtic Language it is Kel-o to hide not Celt.
Britain's secret history?
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Who is this? I'm not tech save and can't find the guest's name or channel anywhere
His YT channel is called, Survive The Jive
It's 'Survive the Jive'.
But thanks for pointing that out... I'll get the back office bods to sort it.
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@@HistoryBro back office bods, ooh lah-de-dah!
Just kidding mate
You must remember that the Belgae & other tribes of NW Gaul; & Britain, i e Parisi?; were not 'Celtic', Tacitus does not call any Gauls or Britons 'Celts', but rather these are more German, having 'crossed the Rhine in recent times'. The more western Gauls, Iberians, western Britons & Irish may well have been 'Celts', indeed the ONLY people name 'Celts' are the Celtiberians of the Iberian peninsula. It is therefore likely that the 'Celtic' branches of the Indo- European languages arose/developed on the Atlantic coastal fringe regions, spreading, with the people of that culture from what is now Spain & Portugal along the coast northward through western Gaul, into western Britain, Ireland, up into the northern isles. The eastern parts of Britain was occupied by those peoples, related to them, opposite them across the North Sea & Channel, which means the 'half German' Belgae, & fully German tribes of the Rhineland, through to north Germany & the Jutland peninsula. There is no reason to suppose that Britain, or even mainland Europe, was monoglot at this time, or at any time. It is perfectly possible. & highly likely, that different regional groups, & tribes spoke different languages, & various dialect forms within those, & that some were as likely to have been Germanic, or proto-Germanic, as proto-Brythonic or 'Celtic'. It is NOT clear in the ancient sources that 'Gallic' equates with 'Celtic', for this is nowhere stated, though it seems to have been readily assumed by modern 'scholars' without real questioning.
However, there is no problem in stating that 'Druids' had to learn their 'craft' in Britain, so they had to have a common language, as long as in some part of Britain that was true. It still does not need to be the language of all Britons, or even all 'Gauls'. If, as I suspect, a Germanic language had long been the tongue of much of lowland & eastern Britain, this would be reinforced by the centuries of the recruitment of Germanic Auxiliary troops to serve in the Roman army in Britannia, intensified again by the further employment of Germanic Mercenaries from the 4th century on, & maybe allowed the final, fatal invitation of the legendary 'Hengist & Horsa', in the early 5th century. There would have been no need for the supposed dramatic language shift among the Romano-Britons, from a Brythonic/Celtic tongue to a new proto-English one, which always seemed somewhat far fetched, because these people were well known to each other & indeed were related through centuries of migration from the same regions.
Is that a toupee?
He knows very little of cows, cows were regaurded as wealthy investments, a cow is food in the winter when vegetables run out, they were not outcasts
I found that my Norse ancestors as seen on the Bayeux tapestry introduced the Motte and Bailey mountain fortress to Britain and it was introduced to Gaul or France by Bjorn ironside from Thor also known as Bjorn and the Motte and Bailey is a sacred mountain fortress comprised of a mountain of Jord the earth mother with a hall modelled after the hall of Odin the Yule father called Valhalla and the Motte and Bailey is associated with the burial mound of Bjorn iron side, it is most possible that the sacred Norse highlander chieftains of Scotland and the Dane law who are freedom fighters allied to the the sacred Norse chieftain of the Northmen of North money in France who were helping each other save the defeated Saxon empire of Widukind that lives in North money also had a few of their own sacred highlander Motte and bailey castles that i associated with the Scottish title highlander which may refer to the Norse ancestors of Scotland being Valkyrie blooded from Valhalla the hall of the fallen or brave.
More Word salad?
"In the Gaelic regions of the British Isles the Irish.." - seems to stick in his throat that the Irish lived in their own independent country of Ireland, and not in a British sub-region
Some people say that those hills are remains of Doggerland....
How rude. I wonder how much money they offered him to speak considering they paywalled the conversation.
More Ringforts/Raths in Ireland. 45,000
I've seen a website which claims 60k for Ireland, and also another which has listed them all as 4k for both islands. I would guess definitions differ. :D
@@Halbared A book i read about Raths say 45,000 or more mate
This guy needs to catch up to the 21st century. Genetic evidence has debunked the theory of large-scale Celtic migration from the mainland. The people of the British Isles sre descendants of native Bell Beaker people who adopted Celtic language and culture.
This dude hates christanity
Very discerning of him
People went from living in unenclosed settlements to building massive ditched enclosures around themselves. I highly doubt this was for anything other than protection and a show of might.