Made the switch to a Sequoia three months ago and never looked back. Absolutely love the comfort and power behind it. Besides the higher price point and lower mpg, I love it.
I have them both and they both rock, 4Runner(wifes car) gets about 17 MPG with KO2's and Sequoia(Big Daddies) gets about 14.5 with KO2's. Good tires is what makes both these yodas shine. Super happy with them both. Thanks guys
I have had both. They arent really for the same market. I LOVED the cabin of the sequoia. Its much roomier and and comfortable. quieter too. That said my 4runner felt like my fj off road. The 4runner is really a competitor for the wrangler for folks who dont want to be smashed into a cramped cabin and not put up with american made reliablity.
@@Rhtcc_Dtcrtc I don’t think American cars are terribly unreliable in the near term, so I agree with you there. However my family had always owned American cars and once they started 15 maybe 20 years old, they would just fall apart. Door mirrors would fall off, door handles would fall off, the stereo would quit working, the headliner ALWAYS would fall down. Don’t get me wrong the engine and transmission were usually reliable but the rest of the car was just such a saggy mess with so many things falling apart it often went to the junkyard. My Mom had a 1986 Chevrolet Blazer and it set itself on fire in the driveway, the electrical system wasn’t happy. That had no modification, not even an aftermarket stereo, completely stock and set itself on fire. My Mom had a 1999 Ford Explorer, the horn quit working a bunch of times, the center console lid broke often, the window regulators kept failing, her drivers door latch kept getting stuck closed so she would have to climb in from the passenger side, the door locks would also fail so you would go over bumps and get to your destination and sometimes you couldn’t get out of one of the doors. It also had electrical gremlins, the rear windshield wiper would just randomly spray and wipe. The engine and transmission made it to nearly 225,000 miles with basic maintenance but everything else on the car was just beat.
@@stxnational9102 that is true, I think though the company cultures different a little. I worked for an American based conglomerate corporation in the aerospace industry and aerospace is about documentation and traceability so there can be assurances parts are made the same as the prototype that was tested thoroughly. Well, at the American company it was hard to find a shred of paperwork and if there was an issue with the part often times you were shoved aside and a supervisor “bought it off” with their stamp to just move it down the line. All illegal stuff. If you reported it to leadership you were retaliated against. Well, I went to to work at a British owned aerospace company at a location in the US in the same state as the American owned company. The British company had penalties for falsifying documents at every work station, audits of paperwork daily, and a process to STOP and document any defects as well as get engineering review and approval before moving the part along down the assembly line. I think there is a certain ruthless lack of ethics in American companies. It’s more of a let’s get it done quickly today to show a finished product and turn a profit, who cares about tomorrow. The workers themselves just do what they are told and work with what they have. Lol one more example the American based company was behind on shipments to the US Air Force and instead of being honest they were caught by the government taking defective parts out of the scrap bin and sticking serial numbers on them then shipping them out as the parts they were behind on just to get paid.
The sequoia would do better offroad, just watch their video of the Tahoe and rhe expedition fx4. Both sucked offroad. The Tahoe couldn't make it over a tiny obstacle, the expedition 4wd system failed and the same thing happened when Engine Adventures tested it.
@@hotrod7603 that’s a bold statement. Pretty much everybody else would disagree with you. GM would have the worst reliability by far. We owned a Yukon Denali and it was junk. Upgraded to a 2012 Expedition and put over 140k miles on it with the only issues being rust bubbles forming on the rear hatch and under the hood. Just traded that in for a Sequoia TRD Pro.
Sequoia is best value for money on the 2nd hand market though. I had a 2016 4Runner I bought new and never fully used all the off-road goodies, well, when Lexus announced the V8 LS was finished I scrambled to buy a 2017 LS460 and traded in my 4Runner. From time to time I need an SUV to haul things from the hardware store, and from time to time where I live and travel I need a 4x4. However the reality is I don’t NEED something like the 4Runner. So I was looking on the used market for something to buy with all cash and the 2008+ sequoias are a steal. I got a 2008 1 owner 4x4, California vehicle for $12,500 with 122k miles, all dealer service records since new. It does what I need it to do. I probably wouldn’t buy one new but the Sequoia is really good value for money on the 2nd hand market.
@@jongrossman2276 New Toyota Sequoia MSRP $50,500 (base)… plus $10,000 over MSRP… $60,500… minus $12,500 down payment which equates at 0% interest at 72 month financing gives you a $666.66/month payment… I paid cash for my sequoia $12,500 no monthly payments, low insurance, it’s a Toyota, it’s doing the same things as a new one would for me. Again, I’m glad you have the money to burn! 🤣 if something does what I need it to do I’m a happy camper.
Based on past reviews on this channel, there were no surprises. For someone using their vehicle to tow, the 4Runner has a limit with its 500 pound tongue weight limit. I think both SUV's will last a long long time and hold resale value vs. other brands and there is a lot of off market stuff available, especially for the 4Runner for overlanding. Both vehicles are solid choices for a capable long lasting vehicle. Thank you
I wish you could get the motor from the Sequoia in the 4Runner. The one thing I hate about my 4Runner is that 4.0 V6. No low and power, and when it revs up it sounds terrible.
I had a 13 Tacoma...the 4 litre tries hard but the Tundra with the 5.7 is almost a rocket ship. Insane power. The fuel consumption of the 5.7 is barely worse than the V6. I get 12.9 litres to 13.4 litres on the hiway. Not that bad really.
I would take the sequoia any day. That 5 7 will go 1mill miles no problem and you can fit a family of 7 no problem. Plus everything else while pulling an rv. 4 runner is for the small family or singles
I’m with Roman on this one Andre 4Runner it would be for me. Great video and thanks to all of you at TFL for all the great reviews, videos and hard work. You guys are the best.
When Andre was on the rock moguls the Atrac (traction control) got him out which was activated by the center diff button. The torq split (front to rear) didn’t seem to do it alone.
Me too, but then the third row seats would be on the floor and the people sitting back there would have their knees in their chest like in the tahoe/yukon/suburban before the newest ones come out last year.
Biggest difference between the two isn’t the third row. Rather the solid rear axel in the 4RUNNER vs the Sequoia IRS that Toyota started using on the 2nd generation .
They are both beautiful cars. The Sequoia color is awesome. I love my SR5 ‘18 black sequoia. It’s has all the goodies and enough 4x4 for the snow in NJ. The space is awesome for my family and dog. She’s thirsty but I don’t drive much so it’s not bad at all.
I'm curious to see the comparison video with the Bronco, Defender, Wrangler and 4runner now that all the major players have a vehicles in the Off-road market now.
4Runner vs Sequoia was a hard choice for me when I was in the market. I have a family of 5 and needed the room which is why I upgraded from my Tacoma. While the Sequoia is VERY NICE for comfort, features, space, I knew me and my kids would and do spend far more time offroad. The 4Runner was the clear winner for our lifestyle. If I could, I would own both! Sequoia for family trips and around town, 4Runner for exploring and overlanding.
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4Runner for hard offroading, Sequoia for Overlanding. If you need a big vehicle, because you have a big family or need the towing capacity, the Sequoia will get you to about 90% of the places a stock TRD Off-road 4Runner will, even if it struggles more.
I Have a 4.0 in my 2006 TACO. It has less than 95,000 miles on it. My Dream Vehicle is a 4 RUNNER! Still made in Japan still has That Bullet Proof 4.0!
This is why I love you guys! I know it's not "apples to apples." But I've had 4runners, and I know how well they do. As a dad with 4 kids, a 4unner isn't really practical for me. So my question is: Could a Sequoia do enough to be the family-man's version of a 4runner? And how do I answer that? I turn to TFL. Thanks - as always!!!!
2nd gen Sequoias have the largest interior space in the Seqouia line-up, my family has had all 8 seats occupied, and it’s also great for long road trips in terms of comfort for 6 adults (driver included), and can tow quite a bit of load as well.
I'm with Roman, since I don't tow heavy trailers. I do not like those Bridgestone Duelers on the T4R though. I've had them on both a Nissan Frontier 4x4 (bought new in 2010) and a 2016 T4R (bought used with 28K miles in 2018). The wet handling and braking were horrible, and dry wasn't much better. Both had the same weird cupping type wear on the treads too. Bridgestone must give a really, really friendly price to manufacturers since so many trucks come with Duelers as OEM despite their awful performance. Keep up the great reviews guys!
I was in the market for a 4runner, until I found out that I don't fit in them with sunroofs. I don't need sunroof but every one that was in stock had one. Ended up paying 3k more and got a Tundra instead.
KDSS is a $1,750 option on the Venture, and I think the same goes for all of the TRDs except the Pro where it isn't offered. Toyota would have most likely given them one with it, but who knows. I'm waiting for a '23, and hoping they stay true to the 4R in the next gen or I'll be looking for a used 5th gen.
@@Bada_Boom78 Hi Yuri lol don't be jealous it was a pain in the butt just to find a 4 Runner this year, with the chip shortage and pandemic restrictions. I really like it, but there is not many options for lift/level kits with KDSS compared to standard SR5.
I love my Sequoia, I know the 4runner is slightly more off road capable but I bought mine to go camping and little trailing. Nothing crazy but I have plenty of pulling power should I ever buy a camper too.
I got the Sequoia and put a three and a half inch total chaos long travel suspension on it with King 2.5 new gears front and rear electronic lockers front and rear Nike Clearance metal bumpers with 10,000 lb winch sitting on 35 by 12.5 by 17 Nitto Ridge Grapplers.. I'll take my Sequoia any day over a 4Runner.... after I put 36k into it LOL
Kind of off topic. I have a tundra with a trd sway bar. Should I take the sway bar off if I'm upgrading my rear shocks and bump stops? Would the upgrade in these components negate the need of a sway bar?
I do have to say - "Humongous" is a relative term, right? I do a lot of off-roading in a 2500hd Sierra with an 8' bed. It's makes a lot of other vehicles feel small.
Every test you ran the Sequoia was barley moving with no momentum. Every test you ran with the 4Runner you has more speed and thus more momentum. I call BS
@@dedalliance1 After they are 25 years old, usually for cash because banks won't give a person a loan for a vehicle that old for the cost of the vehicle AND the import fees. Besides I would want a brand new one that hasn't been beaten to hell or risk getting one that is rusty as heck because they drove it thru the surf at the beach.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt I have an Aunt in Sydney, Australia and have been working over logistics for a while. That and the 25 year mark. Turbo was an option, so most are slow af, nothing like the diesels we have in the U.S.
TFL - Could you do some testing. When a 4x4 lifts 2 wheels the amount of weight on the other 2 tires doubles, how does that compare to a 4x4 that has 4 wheels touching but less weight on each tire? (I know the vehicle will want to rotate left or right.) And what about total weight, heavy versus light when off road (maybe compare suv or pickup loaded vs unloaded) Something else I would love for you guys to cover is the torque converter lockup in automatic 4x4s and how that modulates power delivery and crawl ratio. Thanks.
It is the story for every generation. Just barely enough power to do what you need. New trans comes with new 3.5l that I am not a fan of, a truck should not feel like a old honda, gotta keep it above 3,500 RPM to go anywhere lol.
Combination of the transmission, and the motor makes very little low end torque, it's tuned for top-end power. I have one of these, and I can't express into words how much I hate this engine.
Can anyone explain why the 4Runner comes w a 5speed transmission? I was shocked when I found that out. Another gear would help it’s fuel economy and just about everything comes w a 6 or more??
The Sequoia is a beast, packs 380 hp and would leave the 4Runner for dead on the highway. Its the more comfortable car to drive and is just as capable as the 4Runner off road if you're experienced and know how to handle such big rigs off road. Those all calling for the 4Runner as the better rig are those that OWN 4Runners as they are by far more affordable and more popular due to their better looks. But don't all go calling the 4Runner the better of the two off road when you've never driven a Sequoia. And lastly i'll just add that a comparison of the two is not realistic as they are two quite different SUVS aimed at different markets, most people who pay the hefty price for the Sequoia aren't going to take them off road.
As someone who has owned both - the Sequoia in nowhere even near the 4Runner when it comes to off-road capability. By the way even on the highway the 4Runner wins. The Sequoia is limited at 115mph...the 4Runner shuts off around 119mph. ;)
@@northbee15 I own an LX 570 and 4Runner. The 4Runner is quicker feeling on the road than the 5.7 in our LX (and in the Sequoia). The 4Runner is phenomenally capable, the Sequoia was definitely built for a different purpose…to haul big families and all their stuff, but nothing more.
You should try the firs generation of the grand Cherokee Laredo 4.0 command trac (1993-1995) and compare it to the new grand Cherokee off roading. I have been waiting for that almost a year 😂😂😭
Yeah an ike gauntlet with a 4runner would be great and is waaaay past due. Ive seen here in Colorado people towing horses in the mountains with v6 4runners. I have a v8 4runner. A 4runner ike video would blow up
Yeah, the transfer case in these has an open Center differential, so you can put it in 4 high and operate it on dry pavement like a full-time 4WD vehicle.. You could actually do the same with 4low, could be handy when trying to head up a really steep road or pulling a boat up a slippery boat ramp. I wish the 4runner had this feature. It's funny, twenty-year-old 4Runners had it, but the latest generation doesn't.
Again... keep it simple and give us a package that is actually MADE for off road: front, center, and rear lockers, more suspension, an on-board air compressor, factory ko2/wildpeak/open country tires, factory front and rear winch points, rubber floor mats and washable seats, heavier axles with low gearing, a manual option, etc... keep the "crawl control" bullshit for the mall crawlers. Shift every version down and give us the true off-road version as an actual option when ordering. If someone wants to overland than good on 'em. But, for actual off roading, give us something we can sink our teeth into and make it a 7-15k option package.
I agree, if I was buying new I would go with the 4Runner! BUT I was buying used, knowing I don’t do any crazy off-roading, a little snow, the occasionally muddy deeply rutted dirt road and for the price on the used market, you can get a heck of a deal on the sequoia. I got a 2008 (current body style) with 4wd and the center locker, 1 owner, California vehicle, 122,000 miles for $12,500. I couldn’t touch even a 1990’s 4Runner 4wd for that price in good condition. I wouldn’t want to pay the premium used to get a bunch more stuff I really don’t need. Don’t get me wrong, it’s satisfying to say you have it with the 4Runner BUT you did ask why buy it lol. I bought it because on the used market they are super cheap compared to the 4Runner and if I’m honest with myself do everything I need it to do. Oh and for a little background I did have a 2016 4Runner I bought new, I traded it in because I didn’t use it much and bought a 2017 LS460 new which I use way more and it was probably my last chance to buy a V8 LS. I loved the 4Runner, great build quality too. BUT I never used it enough and was looking for a 4X4 suv used to pay cash for and not feel bad if I don’t use it much, besides the seldom off-road trip it’s used as a truck to go to Lowes and get home repair stuff from time to time. It would break my heart if I spent $40,000 on a 4Runner and used it for that. I hope that sums up why I got a sequoia.
I would take the 4Runner, not just instead of the current Sequoia, but very likely above ever other high-clearance, low-range four-wheel drive vehicle on sale in the U.S.A. today.
@Pro4x Trdpro that would be great. I hate the 4.0 on my 5th gen, the lack of torque is really frustrating. I have no idea why Toyota thought tuning these for top-end power was a good idea. Yeah, the numbers look good on paper, but in real world you never see them unless you drive it like you stole it.
@Pro4x Trdpro I think they hit the nail on the head here, the only way to make a real Improvement is to supercharge. Yeah the air intake and exhaust may net a couple horsepower, but they're going to be up at the top-end anyway, where it doesn't need anymore. Somebody posted a Dyno chart in the 4Runner Group after doing an exhaust and intake, the thing still only made about 150 foot pounds at 2000 RPM, it added the power in the high range. Edit, sorry replying to this while watching a video where they're supercharging a 4Runner, LOL. Speed Academy is building a 5th gen, they added a Magnuson supercharger to it and was just reviewing it. Looks like the way to go! 6K though just for parts.
@Pro4x Trdpro I'm kind of curious about a cold air, I like the S&B. If anything, at least the added intake noise might cover up the engine sound, that would be a win LOL.
I spent months and months doing the pros and cons to which 4x4 for a well rounded reliable, capable, comfortable machine and the TRD 4Runner beat everything hands down. Could not wait another 4 years for Ford to maybe come out with the Bronco and maybe meet my expectations. And from what I have seen of the new Bronco's, I am still confident I made the right choice. (Bronco's are a great toy, but let's see their reliability in 3 years)
Those are not off road tires. That didn't seem to limit these vehicles much but really says a lot about there capability to go through te Rocks and moguls with not great tires.
I thought that it was understood that, while surely you CAN go off-roading in a Sequoia, that is not it's strong suit, mainly due to its huge size. I always looked at it like the Sequoia is primarily a super-reliable, "people" mover, especially if you're chauffeuring around a child or 3, and their sports equipment, pianos, and their friends.
paid 4k for a first gen tree .. rebuilt engine and trans.. 50% more room than my runner.?. V8 gets 1 MPG less... 16 ish. rear locks in low first gear. still nice at 340k
Not sure why u guys keep whinning about how slow the 4liter is its better than the new 3.5 in my opinion much more tq down low like a truck should have ,I would say a updated 4L with a 6 speed would sell like hotcakes in the new updated 4runner
Totally agree we have both 4Runner PRO and 2021 Tacoma in DC OR 4x4 I’ve taken them on same trails and Tacoma does the trails waaaay easier ... plus the bed you can put all your gear back there and have plenty of room with a nimble truck..
Couldn't help but notice on all the obstacles you took the 4 runner through faster than the big girl. I don't know if that was on purpose or you're mentally being more careful with such a classy rig?
Made the switch to a Sequoia three months ago and never looked back. Absolutely love the comfort and power behind it. Besides the higher price point and lower mpg, I love it.
I have them both and they both rock, 4Runner(wifes car) gets about 17 MPG with KO2's and Sequoia(Big Daddies) gets about 14.5 with KO2's. Good tires is what makes both these yodas shine. Super happy with them both. Thanks guys
You’re a lucky man, I only get 12.5mpg in my Sequoia
I have had both. They arent really for the same market. I LOVED the cabin of the sequoia. Its much roomier and and comfortable. quieter too. That said my 4runner felt like my fj off road. The 4runner is really a competitor for the wrangler for folks who dont want to be smashed into a cramped cabin and not put up with american made reliablity.
You have a great taste in vehicles.
Also, the wrangler feels like a "soft f-250" to me, while the 4runner drives more like a car.
@@Rhtcc_Dtcrtc I don’t think American cars are terribly unreliable in the near term, so I agree with you there. However my family had always owned American cars and once they started 15 maybe 20 years old, they would just fall apart. Door mirrors would fall off, door handles would fall off, the stereo would quit working, the headliner ALWAYS would fall down. Don’t get me wrong the engine and transmission were usually reliable but the rest of the car was just such a saggy mess with so many things falling apart it often went to the junkyard. My Mom had a 1986 Chevrolet Blazer and it set itself on fire in the driveway, the electrical system wasn’t happy. That had no modification, not even an aftermarket stereo, completely stock and set itself on fire. My Mom had a 1999 Ford Explorer, the horn quit working a bunch of times, the center console lid broke often, the window regulators kept failing, her drivers door latch kept getting stuck closed so she would have to climb in from the passenger side, the door locks would also fail so you would go over bumps and get to your destination and sometimes you couldn’t get out of one of the doors. It also had electrical gremlins, the rear windshield wiper would just randomly spray and wipe. The engine and transmission made it to nearly 225,000 miles with basic maintenance but everything else on the car was just beat.
Pretty sure almost every Toyota, except for the 4Runner is made in America. So.....
@@stxnational9102 that is true, I think though the company cultures different a little. I worked for an American based conglomerate corporation in the aerospace industry and aerospace is about documentation and traceability so there can be assurances parts are made the same as the prototype that was tested thoroughly. Well, at the American company it was hard to find a shred of paperwork and if there was an issue with the part often times you were shoved aside and a supervisor “bought it off” with their stamp to just move it down the line. All illegal stuff. If you reported it to leadership you were retaliated against. Well, I went to to work at a British owned aerospace company at a location in the US in the same state as the American owned company. The British company had penalties for falsifying documents at every work station, audits of paperwork daily, and a process to STOP and document any defects as well as get engineering review and approval before moving the part along down the assembly line. I think there is a certain ruthless lack of ethics in American companies. It’s more of a let’s get it done quickly today to show a finished product and turn a profit, who cares about tomorrow. The workers themselves just do what they are told and work with what they have. Lol one more example the American based company was behind on shipments to the US Air Force and instead of being honest they were caught by the government taking defective parts out of the scrap bin and sticking serial numbers on them then shipping them out as the parts they were behind on just to get paid.
Would like to see a sequoia vs suburban vs expedition.
Other than dependability I think the Sequoia would lose in every other category.
Hopefully they update it soon.
Need to redesign Sequoia first then test.
The sequoia would do better offroad, just watch their video of the Tahoe and rhe expedition fx4. Both sucked offroad. The Tahoe couldn't make it over a tiny obstacle, the expedition 4wd system failed and the same thing happened when Engine Adventures tested it.
I would take Armada over all of the above.
@@hotrod7603 that’s a bold statement. Pretty much everybody else would disagree with you. GM would have the worst reliability by far. We owned a Yukon Denali and it was junk. Upgraded to a 2012 Expedition and put over 140k miles on it with the only issues being rust bubbles forming on the rear hatch and under the hood. Just traded that in for a Sequoia TRD Pro.
Sequoia is best value for money on the 2nd hand market though. I had a 2016 4Runner I bought new and never fully used all the off-road goodies, well, when Lexus announced the V8 LS was finished I scrambled to buy a 2017 LS460 and traded in my 4Runner. From time to time I need an SUV to haul things from the hardware store, and from time to time where I live and travel I need a 4x4. However the reality is I don’t NEED something like the 4Runner. So I was looking on the used market for something to buy with all cash and the 2008+ sequoias are a steal. I got a 2008 1 owner 4x4, California vehicle for $12,500 with 122k miles, all dealer service records since new. It does what I need it to do. I probably wouldn’t buy one new but the Sequoia is really good value for money on the 2nd hand market.
you arn't wrong-but you want to avoid that year, recalls due to rust/frames snapping in half etc
Why wouldn’t you buy a new Sequoia? The secondary market for Second Gen sequoia seems super inflated.
@@jongrossman2276 I’m glad you have $10,000 over MSRP to pay on a new car 😅
@@alexsystems2001 I’d rather pay over MSRP than an inflated used car value. At least I know I’m getting something new.
@@jongrossman2276 New Toyota Sequoia MSRP $50,500 (base)… plus $10,000 over MSRP… $60,500… minus $12,500 down payment which equates at 0% interest at 72 month financing gives you a $666.66/month payment… I paid cash for my sequoia $12,500 no monthly payments, low insurance, it’s a Toyota, it’s doing the same things as a new one would for me. Again, I’m glad you have the money to burn! 🤣 if something does what I need it to do I’m a happy camper.
Love my sequioa. Perfect light off road light truck stuff. Full time family hauler.
Based on past reviews on this channel, there were no surprises. For someone using their vehicle to tow, the 4Runner has a limit with its 500 pound tongue weight limit. I think both SUV's will last a long long time and hold resale value vs. other brands and there is a lot of off market stuff available, especially for the 4Runner for overlanding. Both vehicles are solid choices for a capable long lasting vehicle. Thank you
The choice of which one, comes down to intended use, towing and hauling or off-roading.
I wish you could get the motor from the Sequoia in the 4Runner. The one thing I hate about my 4Runner is that 4.0 V6. No low and power, and when it revs up it sounds terrible.
I had a 13 Tacoma...the 4 litre tries hard but the Tundra with the 5.7 is almost a rocket ship. Insane power. The fuel consumption of the 5.7 is barely worse than the V6. I get 12.9 litres to 13.4 litres on the hiway. Not that bad really.
Yeah, once upon a time the 4Runners could be had with a V8.
That's why 03'-09' 4runners are shooting up in value. The V8 option came standard with awd with a center diff lock and could tow 7,000 pounds.
Supercharger!
The 4Runner (but really, the Land Cruiser).
I’ll take the sequoia
I had a 2016 sequoia once ..very comfortable and love the V8 sound
I would take the sequoia any day. That 5
7 will go 1mill miles no problem and you can fit a family of 7 no problem. Plus everything else while pulling an rv. 4 runner is for the small family or singles
I have both. They're both so great in their own ways. Simplistic, rugged, and reliable.
Family and toeing Sequoia. Everything else 4 runner. But I only know about the older Sequoia.
I’m with Roman on this one Andre 4Runner it would be for me. Great video and thanks to all of you at TFL for all the great reviews, videos and hard work. You guys are the best.
The stock sequoia fits 33 KO2’s with plenty of room. Easy upgrade makes it look and perform so much better.
When Andre was on the rock moguls the Atrac (traction control) got him out which was activated by the center diff button. The torq split (front to rear) didn’t seem to do it alone.
Love my 2021 4Runner. Best vehicle I've ever owned.
I love the sequoia but I wish they would’ve left it with a solid rear axle.
Trying to keep up with the others and "Comfort". I would suspect. I agree with you.
Me too, but then the third row seats would be on the floor and the people sitting back there would have their knees in their chest like in the tahoe/yukon/suburban before the newest ones come out last year.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix wife had a Honda Pilot (05, amazing car). The back seat only fit the smallest kids. Lol.
that's why i keep my 2001 sequoia :)
The 100 series land cruiser has a solid rear axle.
Tbh it really is kinda cool to see the 2007 dash "brand new" in 2021, kinda surprising to see lol.
Yet people bash infiniti for this type of stuff??
@@mauricebarry8858 well it's toyota so it's cool
Toyota, simply the BEST!
@@hotrod7603 haters gonna hate
Biggest difference between the two isn’t the third row. Rather the solid rear axel in the 4RUNNER vs the Sequoia IRS that Toyota started using on the 2nd generation .
They are both beautiful cars. The Sequoia color is awesome. I love my SR5 ‘18 black sequoia. It’s has all the goodies and enough 4x4 for the snow in NJ. The space is awesome for my family and dog. She’s thirsty but I don’t drive much so it’s not bad at all.
I'm curious to see the comparison video with the Bronco, Defender, Wrangler and 4runner now that all the major players have a vehicles in the Off-road market now.
4Runner vs Sequoia was a hard choice for me when I was in the market. I have a family of 5 and needed the room which is why I upgraded from my Tacoma. While the Sequoia is VERY NICE for comfort, features, space, I knew me and my kids would and do spend far more time offroad. The 4Runner was the clear winner for our lifestyle. If I could, I would own both! Sequoia for family trips and around town, 4Runner for exploring and overlanding.
you can try to upgrade your sequoia, lift it, put on some off road tires etc
This has become the "Thirstiest" Channel out of all my subscriptions. A 15 second Ad out of the gate, in house Ad, then a 2 Level Mid-Roll Ad. I believe you guys are pioneers, you essentially defined this segment. Unfortunately, you have gotten away from what made you successful in the first place, a great user experience. Lots of Channels out there now, and many that do not do this kind of experience crushing Advertising.
That’s how they make money man. With growth comes higher expenses. They have to have some sort of revenue from these videos.
So shall we say,the 4runner for hard offroading,and the Sequoia for light offroading and borderline living out of your vehicle?
4Runner for hard offroading, Sequoia for Overlanding.
If you need a big vehicle, because you have a big family or need the towing capacity, the Sequoia will get you to about 90% of the places a stock TRD Off-road 4Runner will, even if it struggles more.
I Have a 4.0 in my 2006 TACO. It has less than 95,000 miles on it. My Dream Vehicle is a 4 RUNNER! Still made in Japan still has That Bullet Proof 4.0!
This is why I love you guys! I know it's not "apples to apples." But I've had 4runners, and I know how well they do. As a dad with 4 kids, a 4unner isn't really practical for me. So my question is: Could a Sequoia do enough to be the family-man's version of a 4runner?
And how do I answer that?
I turn to TFL.
Thanks - as always!!!!
2nd gen Sequoias have the largest interior space in the Seqouia line-up, my family has had all 8 seats occupied, and it’s also great for long road trips in terms of comfort for 6 adults (driver included), and can tow quite a bit of load as well.
Compare 4Runner vs Land Cruiser please
Considering the Sequoia is an alternative to a mini-van, it's really good off road.
Also tows
@@jordanjohnson5882 True!
I'm with Roman, since I don't tow heavy trailers. I do not like those Bridgestone Duelers on the T4R though. I've had them on both a Nissan Frontier 4x4 (bought new in 2010) and a 2016 T4R (bought used with 28K miles in 2018). The wet handling and braking were horrible, and dry wasn't much better. Both had the same weird cupping type wear on the treads too. Bridgestone must give a really, really friendly price to manufacturers since so many trucks come with Duelers as OEM despite their awful performance. Keep up the great reviews guys!
If only the Sequoia had the body and interior change of the tundra in 2014 it would’ve sold like hotcakes. It’s too soft round and old.
Agreed. I hate the sequoia interior
Idk. The Tundra doesn’t really sell like hot cakes either haha
100%...theyre still using the same interior as the OG 2007 tundra and asking 60k+ for it....nuts!
Tfl test the 4runner up ike max tow test! And tundra max tow again to see if it overheats! Please!
I love my 2021 4Runner. Does everything I need it to without a problem.
I love my 4runner but if I had to drive it daily i'd be bankrupt. Absolutely horrendous fuel economy.
I was in the market for a 4runner, until I found out that I don't fit in them with sunroofs. I don't need sunroof but every one that was in stock had one. Ended up paying 3k more and got a Tundra instead.
Like you must be 6 foot 8 or something.
Does the 4R in this video have KDSS? I didn't hear it if they covered that.
Should be it's OFD Prem
@@Balistixs it’s an option on the TRD Off-Road premium. 50/50 chance as it seems they build them with and without KDSS at the same rate.
I have a 2021 TRD premium and it has KDSS so figured all of them have KDSS but I believe all the venture models have them equip and OFD is optional..
KDSS is a $1,750 option on the Venture, and I think the same goes for all of the TRDs except the Pro where it isn't offered. Toyota would have most likely given them one with it, but who knows. I'm waiting for a '23, and hoping they stay true to the 4R in the next gen or I'll be looking for a used 5th gen.
@@Bada_Boom78 Hi Yuri lol don't be jealous it was a pain in the butt just to find a 4 Runner this year, with the chip shortage and pandemic restrictions. I really like it, but there is not many options for lift/level kits with KDSS compared to standard SR5.
I have a 2021 sequoia Dobinsons IMS Suspension. S&B intake, Corsa Exhaust. It's better than a trd pro package
I love my Sequoia, I know the 4runner is slightly more off road capable but I bought mine to go camping and little trailing. Nothing crazy but I have plenty of pulling power should I ever buy a camper too.
I got the Sequoia and put a three and a half inch total chaos long travel suspension on it with King 2.5 new gears front and rear electronic lockers front and rear Nike Clearance metal bumpers with 10,000 lb winch sitting on 35 by 12.5 by 17 Nitto Ridge Grapplers.. I'll take my Sequoia any day over a 4Runner.... after I put 36k into it LOL
Great Video guys.
Sequoia tire is kind of too small for that big boby. Need a big tire for off road
Kind of off topic. I have a tundra with a trd sway bar. Should I take the sway bar off if I'm upgrading my rear shocks and bump stops? Would the upgrade in these components negate the need of a sway bar?
One random thing I find interesting is the 4runner engine cover, it’s way off centre vs the actual engine
The official motto for this channel should be "it's not apples to apples..but..."
I do have to say - "Humongous" is a relative term, right? I do a lot of off-roading in a 2500hd Sierra with an 8' bed. It's makes a lot of other vehicles feel small.
Every test you ran the Sequoia was barley moving with no momentum. Every test you ran with the 4Runner you has more speed and thus more momentum. I call BS
Roman said it. Outside of a Wrangler, there isn't anything that will best the 4 runner off road (now the Bronco Sasquatch).
79-series LandCruiser GXL Double Cab or Diesel Hilux Double cab with a manual transmission, but neither is available in the U.S.
You can still buy imported vehicles.
@@dedalliance1 After they are 25 years old, usually for cash because banks won't give a person a loan for a vehicle that old for the cost of the vehicle AND the import fees. Besides I would want a brand new one that hasn't been beaten to hell or risk getting one that is rusty as heck because they drove it thru the surf at the beach.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt That and finding parts for something that never hit the states. Hope you like 1 month fast shipping lol.
@@iankovac1878 Yep, didn't even think about the parts sourcing when commented. You made an excellent point.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt I have an Aunt in Sydney, Australia and have been working over logistics for a while. That and the 25 year mark. Turbo was an option, so most are slow af, nothing like the diesels we have in the U.S.
The Seqouia is the red headed step child of the Toyota lineup.
TFL - Could you do some testing. When a 4x4 lifts 2 wheels the amount of weight on the other 2 tires doubles, how does that compare to a 4x4 that has 4 wheels touching but less weight on each tire? (I know the vehicle will want to rotate left or right.) And what about total weight, heavy versus light when off road (maybe compare suv or pickup loaded vs unloaded) Something else I would love for you guys to cover is the torque converter lockup in automatic 4x4s and how that modulates power delivery and crawl ratio. Thanks.
The Bronco is going after Wrangler and 4Runner. When will you compare the Bronco vs 4Runner?
The 4runner is a slug at altitude once you put any kind of gear/people in it, mostly because of the transmission. Very capable offroad though.
Just shift it to 4th.
It is the story for every generation. Just barely enough power to do what you need. New trans comes with new 3.5l that I am not a fan of, a truck should not feel like a old honda, gotta keep it above 3,500 RPM to go anywhere lol.
Combination of the transmission, and the motor makes very little low end torque, it's tuned for top-end power. I have one of these, and I can't express into words how much I hate this engine.
@@StubProductions You mean 2nd or 3rd if you lived at 6500' and go up from there like I do. :D
@@iankovac1878 So many complaints from Taco owners, the only way to go is 6MT
G wagon as well, not only Wrangler (but the price deference is huge there).
Can anyone explain why the 4Runner comes w a 5speed transmission? I was shocked when I found that out. Another gear would help it’s fuel economy and just about everything comes w a 6 or more??
This was a really fun one.
The Sequoia is a beast, packs 380 hp and would leave the 4Runner for dead on the highway. Its the more comfortable car to drive and is just as capable as the 4Runner off road if you're experienced and know how to handle such big rigs off road. Those all calling for the 4Runner as the better rig are those that OWN 4Runners as they are by far more affordable and more popular due to their better looks. But don't all go calling the 4Runner the better of the two off road when you've never driven a Sequoia. And lastly i'll just add that a comparison of the two is not realistic as they are two quite different SUVS aimed at different markets, most people who pay the hefty price for the Sequoia aren't going to take them off road.
As someone who has owned both - the Sequoia in nowhere even near the 4Runner when it comes to off-road capability. By the way even on the highway the 4Runner wins. The Sequoia is limited at 115mph...the 4Runner shuts off around 119mph. ;)
@@northbee15 I own an LX 570 and 4Runner. The 4Runner is quicker feeling on the road than the 5.7 in our LX (and in the Sequoia). The 4Runner is phenomenally capable, the Sequoia was definitely built for a different purpose…to haul big families and all their stuff, but nothing more.
4runner needs a hybrid or a new powertrain. 16mpg for a v6 is horrible now
You should try the firs generation of the grand Cherokee Laredo 4.0 command trac (1993-1995) and compare it to the new grand Cherokee off roading. I have been waiting for that almost a year 😂😂😭
What brand of watch do you have? I love that orange band
I’d take a Sequoia but a first gen maybe second gen. Can be had fairly cheap especially compared to same age Tundras.
‘06 V8 4 Runner 167k miles-best vehicle I’ve ever owned‼️
Ike gauntlet with those off road beast
Yeah an ike gauntlet with a 4runner would be great and is waaaay past due. Ive seen here in Colorado people towing horses in the mountains with v6 4runners. I have a v8 4runner. A 4runner ike video would blow up
what's the difference between 4H and the center locking diff? is 4H a full time open diff?
Yeah, the transfer case in these has an open Center differential, so you can put it in 4 high and operate it on dry pavement like a full-time 4WD vehicle.. You could actually do the same with 4low, could be handy when trying to head up a really steep road or pulling a boat up a slippery boat ramp.
I wish the 4runner had this feature. It's funny, twenty-year-old 4Runners had it, but the latest generation doesn't.
Do this comparison again if you get some loaners back in Colorado.
Again... keep it simple and give us a package that is actually MADE for off road: front, center, and rear lockers, more suspension, an on-board air compressor, factory ko2/wildpeak/open country tires, factory front and rear winch points, rubber floor mats and washable seats, heavier axles with low gearing, a manual option, etc... keep the "crawl control" bullshit for the mall crawlers. Shift every version down and give us the true off-road version as an actual option when ordering. If someone wants to overland than good on 'em. But, for actual off roading, give us something we can sink our teeth into and make it a 7-15k option package.
Moral of the story: if you don't need three rows of seats, why on Earth would you buy it?
4Runner's a beast.
I agree, if I was buying new I would go with the 4Runner! BUT I was buying used, knowing I don’t do any crazy off-roading, a little snow, the occasionally muddy deeply rutted dirt road and for the price on the used market, you can get a heck of a deal on the sequoia. I got a 2008 (current body style) with 4wd and the center locker, 1 owner, California vehicle, 122,000 miles for $12,500. I couldn’t touch even a 1990’s 4Runner 4wd for that price in good condition. I wouldn’t want to pay the premium used to get a bunch more stuff I really don’t need. Don’t get me wrong, it’s satisfying to say you have it with the 4Runner BUT you did ask why buy it lol. I bought it because on the used market they are super cheap compared to the 4Runner and if I’m honest with myself do everything I need it to do. Oh and for a little background I did have a 2016 4Runner I bought new, I traded it in because I didn’t use it much and bought a 2017 LS460 new which I use way more and it was probably my last chance to buy a V8 LS. I loved the 4Runner, great build quality too. BUT I never used it enough and was looking for a 4X4 suv used to pay cash for and not feel bad if I don’t use it much, besides the seldom off-road trip it’s used as a truck to go to Lowes and get home repair stuff from time to time. It would break my heart if I spent $40,000 on a 4Runner and used it for that. I hope that sums up why I got a sequoia.
Tht Sequoia is great on long road trips, huge interior space and far more capable off road than most SUVs/crossovers.
Towing, 4runner can't tow sh!t.
I would take the 4Runner, not just instead of the current Sequoia, but very likely above ever other high-clearance, low-range four-wheel drive vehicle on sale in the U.S.A. today.
Was that a hint at a diesel power train for the tundra with that diesel Kubota comment?
4Runner unless I had more than two kids to haul around. Then I’d go Sequoia
The ICONIC 1GR-FE!
@Pro4x Trdpro i own a fifth gen and never drove a fourth gen. I have no point of comparison. Why was it better?
@Pro4x Trdpro that would be great. I hate the 4.0 on my 5th gen, the lack of torque is really frustrating. I have no idea why Toyota thought tuning these for top-end power was a good idea. Yeah, the numbers look good on paper, but in real world you never see them unless you drive it like you stole it.
@Pro4x Trdpro I think they hit the nail on the head here, the only way to make a real Improvement is to supercharge. Yeah the air intake and exhaust may net a couple horsepower, but they're going to be up at the top-end anyway, where it doesn't need anymore. Somebody posted a Dyno chart in the 4Runner Group after doing an exhaust and intake, the thing still only made about 150 foot pounds at 2000 RPM, it added the power in the high range.
Edit, sorry replying to this while watching a video where they're supercharging a 4Runner, LOL. Speed Academy is building a 5th gen, they added a Magnuson supercharger to it and was just reviewing it. Looks like the way to go! 6K though just for parts.
@Pro4x Trdpro I'm kind of curious about a cold air, I like the S&B. If anything, at least the added intake noise might cover up the engine sound, that would be a win LOL.
I spent months and months doing the pros and cons to which 4x4 for a well rounded reliable, capable, comfortable machine and the TRD 4Runner beat everything hands down. Could not wait another 4 years for Ford to maybe come out with the Bronco and maybe meet my expectations. And from what I have seen of the new Bronco's, I am still confident I made the right choice. (Bronco's are a great toy, but let's see their reliability in 3 years)
Bronco is cool, but it only tows 3,500 lbs. big difference from 4Runner’s 5,000 lb rating. More usable to many.
@W W Agreed, the 4Runner is the winner but I welcome the new Bronco especially the 2 door. Let's see the Bronco reliability in 3 months.
Those are not off road tires. That didn't seem to limit these vehicles much but really says a lot about there capability to go through te Rocks and moguls with not great tires.
Me: Landcruiser. The answer is ALWAYS Landcruiser.
Isn't the Toyota traction control better than the Wranglers? Best Land Rover then Toyota then Jeep somewhere below on the list.
Why wouldn’t they make the TRD PRO with a solid axle? What’s the point of a TRD trim without it?
What is Teeota?
Does the sequoia have independent rear?
Yes
I thought that it was understood that, while surely you CAN go off-roading in a Sequoia, that is not it's strong suit, mainly due to its huge size. I always looked at it like the Sequoia is primarily a super-reliable, "people" mover, especially if you're chauffeuring around a child or 3, and their sports equipment, pianos, and their friends.
Thats all u need a center diff nothing else all those extras on the 4runner make MINIMAL difference ill pick the sequioa
I use my Sequoia to tow my FJ; plenty of room to sleep/camp in too.
Toyota : need more gears in that trans please !
Payload and towing capacity like in the rest of the world.
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Nice test
paid 4k for a first gen tree .. rebuilt engine and trans.. 50% more room than my runner.?. V8 gets 1 MPG less... 16 ish. rear locks in low first gear. still nice at 340k
I have a Kubota two cylinder water cooled diesel lawn tractor here in the UK.
That's a Venture model actually.
Anything made by toyota is instantly better than any jeep or American made
4Runner for the win, upgrade tires and add rock sliders and you're good to go.
Not sure why u guys keep whinning about how slow the 4liter is its better than the new 3.5 in my opinion much more tq down low like a truck should have ,I would say a updated 4L with a 6 speed would sell like hotcakes in the new updated 4runner
4Runner is the way to go, just needs a Snorkel.
That and better tires I think
Nothing needs a snorkel
@@seanwatson3790 the snorkel is more for high river crossing and running dirt roads to get fresh air to engine from high above.
I know what they're for. Light bar people say how useful their light bars are too. I just think they look stupid
@@seanwatson3790 I disagree only for the purpose of use. But Right on Bro, it's your opinion.
1st gen sequoia FTW
Wish the Defender was on this video as well.
Best Toyota off-roader Tacoma
Totally agree we have both 4Runner PRO and 2021 Tacoma in DC OR 4x4 I’ve taken them on same trails and Tacoma does the trails waaaay easier ... plus the bed you can put all your gear back there and have plenty of room with a nimble truck..
3:30 nothing more capable...except a Chevy Colorado ZR2 Bison...
At last 2 quality vehicles
Same off road futures as my 2008 sequoia.
some 4runners are 3 row. i like sequoia it's Ike lx 570
Except it's not
Couldn't help but notice on all the obstacles you took the 4 runner through faster than the big girl. I don't know if that was on purpose or you're mentally being more careful with such a classy rig?
Love it