I think its important to make the point that although the roadworks haven't been completed yet, its now much easier to gain access to Wisley. This is because the bridge over the A3 is now open. This gives access to the garden without having to use the A3 or M25. If you plan your journey to use local roads you can access the gardens via the Ockham/Ripley roundabout and this access is much better and easier because of the new bridge.
Not forgetting the fact it's the RHS(R stnadng for Royal). And teh fact the Royal Family corruptly rip off many NHS hospitals and ambulance stations, as well as schools and other public owned services in extortionate rent taxes! Added to the fact the Monatch are given millions of our taxes each year. Leave it to the corrupt Royals to pay for.
Hi Peter, whilst we’re grateful for the new road and the positive difference it is now beginning to make following months of disruption, going back to our original objections it continues to be a flawed solution that increases car miles around J10 by some 1 million kilometres per annum, affecting the Special Protection Area. We continue to believe circular routing could have been avoided, saving these increased car miles, by creating slip roads off the A3.
@@The_RHS in the RHS's defence here, the Ripley junction is a high level of stupid design. You can join but not exit northbound and can exit but not join southbound.
@@Sebastianraikkonen_actualnameYes so come off at send drive through Ripley if your coming southbound. Northbound you come off at Ripley. It really isn't difficult and alot simpler than it was before.
@@The_RHSwhere are you getting 1m km from. That seems an insane number. The way it's set up now will save southbound people from going round J10. So this will save miles not create more.
Curious about the modelling here. Is it suggesting that once the roadworks are complete (believe by the summer) that footfall will not pick up? If not, why not? Also now getting to Wisley by means other than a car such as cycling have become a lot more feasible and will only increase when Cockcrow Bridge and the other ones are open. Also what about Wisley Airfield Village in time. Would pretty much be possible walk to Wisley from there. Ironically I have been to Wisley more often in recent months than for a long time and the car park was full to the brim for Glow one evening was there.
This appeal is pointless, I'm afraid. Compensation for the RHS because of roadworks would mean that government would have to compensate every business ever affected by roadworks. The bill would run into billions annually, money that just doesn't exist. We members can sign a petition, but it stands absolutely zero chance of success. Roadworks are just a fact of life, like bad weather. Perhaps a fundraising appeal to members for voluntary donations would be more productive?
Well said. Not forgetting the fact it's the RHS(R stnadng for Royal). And teh fact the Royal Family corruptly rip off many NHS hospitals and ambulance stations, as well as schools and other public owned services in extortionate rent taxes! Added to the fact the Monatch are given millions of our taxes each year. Leave it to the corrupt Royals to pay for
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I adore Alan and am a member but if they compensate one business or charity then they must compensate all. That’s tax payers money. It is better to appeal to the public for memberships and private funding.
I don’t think this is the case, firstly this is about charities so not businesses, secondly it’s as a direct result of what the Government did - it’s not simply about loss of funds, and thirdly the Government has previously compensated other organisations so this is not seeking to establish a new precedent - just fairness.
Not forgetting the fact it's the RHS(R stnadng for Royal). And teh fact the Royal Family corruptly rip off many NHS hospitals and ambulance stations, as well as schools and other public owned services in extortionate rent taxes! Added to the fact the Monatch are given millions of our taxes each year. Leave it to the corrupt Royals to pay for.
It's a bit weird this suddenly became news AFTER the new road and bridge built specifically to get to Wisley was completed. RHS, are we sure this isn't just a case a of 'do whatever road works you like as long as we benefit'? Also, modern society is more interested in dances on social media than gardening so that also impacts footfall.
Hi Sebastian, right from the start we have made clear the impact that these works would have on us as a charity, but at the time of granting consent to the scheme, the Secretary of State reviewing the Planning Inspectors decision assessed that the RHS had a case, but that we were overstating the heritage and economic harm and that it would be short lived and insubstantial. Today we can now evidence that the harm is exactly as we predicted. We have also been trying our best to navigate the complicated legal system to achieve compensation, but it is looking less and less likely and so now are calling on the support of all our members and everyone in the gardening world to help us be treated as a special case for compensation.
@The_RHS I still find it weird, but at the same time, should I also be compensated for time stuck in the traffic? As a disabled person I've no choice but to take my car when I go to work, public transport isn't an option. If you guys are compensated then floodgates open and nobody wins. Plus thousands of businesses would have been impacted by said traffic even if it's a daily delivery takes an hour longer to get to them. I will however, 1) full respect to you for replying, very few would 2) If I see old news articles about RHS being against the works because of the impact then I'll happily admit I was wrong but until that point, I still find it weird.
Hi there, we have robust data sources to build models that clearly identify the likely financial impact caused specifically by the A3/M25 Roadworks. We have done this through analysing detailed, internal data on daily Wisley visits, local member acquisition and retention over time, compared to similar trends seen at our other 4 RHS gardens. In addition, we have worked closely with an independent, external research agency to collect 6 Waves of local member and non-member online survey data that provide robust evidence of just how big a negative factor the A3/M25 Roadworks have been to Wisley customers vs other negative drivers of visitation. For example, in the latest Wave of research, nearly 80% of our members who visited Wisley less frequently in the past 12 months, directly attributed this to travel delays caused by the M25/A3 roadworks. Additionally, 63% of non-visiting members in this period attributed not visiting Wisley for the same reason.
I really dont understand your point. Getting to Wisley has been terrible for years and now its finally been sorted your complaining. Surely the new bridge will increase visitors so instead of complaining why dont you advertise that you have a new bridge which will save people from driving round J10 for no reason. Its all how you view it. You definitely need a better marketing team.
Hi there, whilst we’re grateful for the new road and the positive difference it is now beginning to make following months of disruption, right from the start we have made clear the impact that these works would have on us as a charity, but at the time of granting consent to the scheme, the Secretary of State reviewing the Planning Inspectors decision assessed that the RHS had a case, but that we were overstating the heritage and economic harm and that it would be short lived and insubstantial. Today we can now evidence that the harm is exactly as we predicted.
@The_RHS so why did you agree to it then. I'm sorry but this sounds very hypocritical. You have your new bridge and then suddenly everything is bad. Strange how all this comes out just as the bridge has finished.
I think its important to make the point that although the roadworks haven't been completed yet, its now much easier to gain access to Wisley.
This is because the bridge over the A3 is now open.
This gives access to the garden without having to use the A3 or M25.
If you plan your journey to use local roads you can access the gardens via the Ockham/Ripley roundabout and this access is much better and easier because of the new bridge.
Not forgetting the fact it's the RHS(R stnadng for Royal).
And teh fact the Royal Family corruptly rip off many NHS hospitals and ambulance stations, as well as schools and other public owned services in extortionate rent taxes!
Added to the fact the Monatch are given millions of our taxes each year. Leave it to the corrupt Royals to pay for.
Hi Peter, whilst we’re grateful for the new road and the positive difference it is now beginning to make following months of disruption, going back to our original objections it continues to be a flawed solution that increases car miles around J10 by some 1 million kilometres per annum, affecting the Special Protection Area. We continue to believe circular routing could have been avoided, saving these increased car miles, by creating slip roads off the A3.
@@The_RHS in the RHS's defence here, the Ripley junction is a high level of stupid design. You can join but not exit northbound and can exit but not join southbound.
@@Sebastianraikkonen_actualnameYes so come off at send drive through Ripley if your coming southbound. Northbound you come off at Ripley. It really isn't difficult and alot simpler than it was before.
@@The_RHSwhere are you getting 1m km from. That seems an insane number. The way it's set up now will save southbound people from going round J10. So this will save miles not create more.
Curious about the modelling here. Is it suggesting that once the roadworks are complete (believe by the summer) that footfall will not pick up? If not, why not? Also now getting to Wisley by means other than a car such as cycling have become a lot more feasible and will only increase when Cockcrow Bridge and the other ones are open. Also what about Wisley Airfield Village in time. Would pretty much be possible walk to Wisley from there. Ironically I have been to Wisley more often in recent months than for a long time and the car park was full to the brim for Glow one evening was there.
This appeal is pointless, I'm afraid. Compensation for the RHS because of roadworks would mean that government would have to compensate every business ever affected by roadworks. The bill would run into billions annually, money that just doesn't exist.
We members can sign a petition, but it stands absolutely zero chance of success. Roadworks are just a fact of life, like bad weather.
Perhaps a fundraising appeal to members for voluntary donations would be more productive?
Well said.
Not forgetting the fact it's the RHS(R stnadng for Royal).
And teh fact the Royal Family corruptly rip off many NHS hospitals and ambulance stations, as well as schools and other public owned services in extortionate rent taxes!
Added to the fact the Monatch are given millions of our taxes each year. Leave it to the corrupt Royals to pay for
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I adore Alan and am a member but if they compensate one business or charity then they must compensate all. That’s tax payers money. It is better to appeal to the public for memberships and private funding.
I don’t think this is the case, firstly this is about charities so not businesses, secondly it’s as a direct result of what the Government did - it’s not simply about loss of funds, and thirdly the Government has previously compensated other organisations so this is not seeking to establish a new precedent - just fairness.
Not forgetting the fact it's the RHS(R stnadng for Royal).
And teh fact the Royal Family corruptly rip off many NHS hospitals and ambulance stations, as well as schools and other public owned services in extortionate rent taxes!
Added to the fact the Monatch are given millions of our taxes each year. Leave it to the corrupt Royals to pay for.
It's a bit weird this suddenly became news AFTER the new road and bridge built specifically to get to Wisley was completed. RHS, are we sure this isn't just a case a of 'do whatever road works you like as long as we benefit'?
Also, modern society is more interested in dances on social media than gardening so that also impacts footfall.
Hi Sebastian, right from the start we have made clear the impact that these works would have on us as a charity, but at the time of granting consent to the scheme, the Secretary of State reviewing the Planning Inspectors decision assessed that the RHS had a case, but that we were overstating the heritage and economic harm and that it would be short lived and insubstantial. Today we can now evidence that the harm is exactly as we predicted.
We have also been trying our best to navigate the complicated legal system to achieve compensation, but it is looking less and less likely and so now are calling on the support of all our members and everyone in the gardening world to help us be treated as a special case for compensation.
@The_RHS I still find it weird, but at the same time, should I also be compensated for time stuck in the traffic? As a disabled person I've no choice but to take my car when I go to work, public transport isn't an option. If you guys are compensated then floodgates open and nobody wins. Plus thousands of businesses would have been impacted by said traffic even if it's a daily delivery takes an hour longer to get to them.
I will however, 1) full respect to you for replying, very few would 2) If I see old news articles about RHS being against the works because of the impact then I'll happily admit I was wrong but until that point, I still find it weird.
@@The_RHSok if you get your compensation you can then pay for the bridge, road and land that was specifically used to make getting to wisley easier.
How did the road lower membership by 300,000? That stat seems way off
Hi there, we have robust data sources to build models that clearly identify the likely financial impact caused specifically by the A3/M25 Roadworks. We have done this through analysing detailed, internal data on daily Wisley visits, local member acquisition and retention over time, compared to similar trends seen at our other 4 RHS gardens.
In addition, we have worked closely with an independent, external research agency to collect 6 Waves of local member and non-member online survey data that provide robust evidence of just how big a negative factor the A3/M25 Roadworks have been to Wisley customers vs other negative drivers of visitation. For example, in the latest Wave of research, nearly 80% of our members who visited Wisley less frequently in the past 12 months, directly attributed this to travel delays caused by the M25/A3 roadworks. Additionally, 63% of non-visiting members in this period attributed not visiting Wisley for the same reason.
They have a point as stopped mine and my wife's membership.
Strange, as the vast majority of people visiting RHS gardens, are members of the RHS. They are at Hyde Hall anyway.
I really dont understand your point. Getting to Wisley has been terrible for years and now its finally been sorted your complaining. Surely the new bridge will increase visitors so instead of complaining why dont you advertise that you have a new bridge which will save people from driving round J10 for no reason. Its all how you view it. You definitely need a better marketing team.
Hi there, whilst we’re grateful for the new road and the positive difference it is now beginning to make following months of disruption, right from the start we have made clear the impact that these works would have on us as a charity, but at the time of granting consent to the scheme, the Secretary of State reviewing the Planning Inspectors decision assessed that the RHS had a case, but that we were overstating the heritage and economic harm and that it would be short lived and insubstantial. Today we can now evidence that the harm is exactly as we predicted.
@The_RHS so why did you agree to it then. I'm sorry but this sounds very hypocritical. You have your new bridge and then suddenly everything is bad. Strange how all this comes out just as the bridge has finished.