Don't worry about painting the MDC on the canopy, Navy Bucs didn't have it. Only fitted to RAF aircraft. How do I know? Spent the first 3 yrs of my RAF career converting RN Buccaneers to RAF Spec at RAF St Athans, many moons ago
I visited St.Athan as a "space cadet" at the end of the 70s (79 maybe?) - there were some F-4s and Buccaneers in the hangars from the FAA. Bloke from the armourers section gave me a length of MDC cord (without the explosive, of course), a half-moon neoprene kind of thing it was. There was a Vulcan as well and we were allowed to climb into the closed bomb bay - cavernous thing! One of the better camps we went on.
@garys_stuff air cadet trips back in the 90s were great fun. Though by then they had very much clamped down on what cadets were allowed to do after some nasty accidents sadly along with a group of cadets killed in a wessex crash. Still they were fun, but flying was limited to chipmunk, bulldog or when we went to Northolt hs125 or 146 or Andover. .
Gary, a thought for narrow lines like the detonation cords.. a tech drawing pen as the nibs go down to fractions of a millimetre. Then you don't risk overspill and can use a rule to get them exactly were you want. Thinking about it they may come in handy for panel lines too :)
I’ve used really thinned out black and loaded a fine brush and just used the capillary effect to fill the set chord in the canopy of my 1:48 red arrow. Not seen the buccaneer but that method wouldn’t work of course if the set chords are raised
Nice build! On the subject of Airfix and their spare parts division, I've messed up a couple of canopies in the past and have phoned Airfix up. If you tell them the truth, and that it's not their fault, they'll only ask you to pay a fiver or so for the part and the postage. That strikes me as being fair.
Those tricky engine cover decals.. a thought. How about using the original decal as a template? Cut out the whole decal. Slice through the tiny Ts at the edges, then carefully place that as a mask and use masking tape to hold it in place.. then paint through the cuts.
Coming along beautifully, Gary. Clever to cut those rectangles up into 4 pieces. Shame about niggling decal problems so far into the build. Rant away! That's what we're here for. I want to see this finished beast on its wheels. Cheers!
Hi Gary, the Buccaneer is looking really good, I have to admit I am not fussed on the grey, I will wzit for the RAF version, good luck with the redt of the build, very bedt regards from a Kiwi living in Australia.
Hi Gary, One suggestion for using microsol and microset is to get an old jam jar (or something similar) and put in a mixture of water and microset. I think it's 3 parts water to one part Microset this helps with getting to sit and also gives you a larger container that is harder to knock over. The Microsol is still a worry however.
Looking good for the final run in Gary. I do sympathise over the decals. I made the 1:72, and the small decals were horrendous, you needed eyes like a s***house rat to even see them, as I'm sure you know. Looking forward to the end result, it's a splendid kit.
Not really - there are days when it feels like work (which it is) and there have been kits I've not really enjoyed building as much as others but generally I'm happy to get on with whatever project is there. Figure painting is different - I've had the same regiment of Portuguese 18mm infantry to paint for ages and just can't get round to starting them.
@@johnpotts4452 no, I used Vallejo paints on this. I have used some Gen2 paint, some by brush and some through the airbrush. It needs quite a lot of thinning for the airbrush - about 1:1 worked for me - and although I think Humbrol paint is a pure water-based acrylic and can be thinned with simple water, I do tend to use an acrylic thinner (I use the Spruebox one). Remember that in an airbrush you will also need to add a few drops of a retarder or "flow improver" to help prevent paint drying in the nozzle, I use the Vallejo one.
)The build is going really well (in my opinion anyway!). Don't worry about the rant - we have been waiting for this kit for so long and all the mouldings look fab. The decal issue is interesting because I've never had a badly fitting set of Cartograf decals. As we all know - you would have to look at real live rounds (or photos at least) to get the real markings. My betting is that someone has looked at a museum piece (which as we all know have a tendency to be repainted - cough, cough) and that is what Cartograf have been asked to reproduce. Just a thought. Absolutely can't wait to get hold of one of these - Victorious or Eagle for me though to go alongside the Sea Vixens.
The markings might well be absolutely spot on, as they are printed on the layout sheet. But there aren't enough lines on the decal sheet! An 800NAS bird from Eagle would suit me too.
No Gary it’s Buc,Buc,Buc not Bok……😃good to rant mate it’s like the blue nose cone on the Concorde kit but the fin you have to paint blue before adding the speed bird ,looking good mate Mark 👍🏻😊
Hi Gary! Yeah I had the exact same issues with decals on my kinetic Italian f104! Said I needed 6 large roundels but only had 4! Thought I was going mad the ammount of times I counted but sometimes companies just overlook things! I agree it’s very frustrating. I have this kit on order and I’m doing scheme D which includes just the bombs which by your video looks like they fit lovely!! Keep it up Gary
I had a similar decal number problem on my italeri typhoon. They didn’t provide enough decals for the band around the AIM-120 AMRAAMs. But on the stencils, they provided way too many. My solution was that I just made only two of the four AMRAAMs. It still looked good though
And I thought my 1:72 kits had a lot of decals... oh boy. That sheer number of decals is intimidating, to the point where it's a little off putting! Looks stunning in the end though.
You should tell Airifx. I have seen them in various colours but that was a little later when they were passed to the RAF and they were mainly ordnance green, or black for testing.
From my decal sheet Gary there are 4 x 94 and 4 x 89 which are both black and white. As you use No. 89 on half the missile and you can only have four missisles then there are enough decals. I'm looking at decal option 'A' Ark Royal 1978. The short run decals on the nose are curved and it may be possible you've put them on back to front in which case they won't fit properly (as me how I know from previous kits). Hope this helps 🙂
Hi Al, just looking at the decal placement sheet - each of the Martels has two no.94 half-bands - one top front the other bottom middle. Even with three Martels, that's six no.94s. These are simple black stripe decals. The no.89 is black and white, goes on the mid upper segment. I tried the nose bands both ways round in case I was doing it wrong as well! Just couldn't get them to meet up. As for only having four missiles, you can carry four radar Martels, but there are only two in the kit. Soon as you use a TV Martel you also need to carry the data pod which takes up a pylon. So in this version of the kit, you can only have three Martels - either two radar and one TV or two TV and one radar. Perhaps a later boxing of an RAF maritime strike version may have four radar Martels, but as I say the decal sheet will have been redesigned anyway with the different squadron markings.
The S.2D started off with the Martel then converted to the Sea Eagle. A distant memory makes me think they carried four radar Martels at the time, don't recall RAF aircraft with the TV ones but am probably wrong!
I did 6 years on Martel at RAF Marham, and we definitely did use the TV Martel, it was the only anti ship missile we had in service until we got the Sea Eagle
@@64mickh thanks for the info. Did you also use radar Martels? I seem to remember they were kind of like an ARM but had to be tuned to a radar frequency before flight to search out, say, the SAM control radars on Soviet ships.
Strange they didn't put the holes thru on the interior the airbrakes...the old one had them..either drill them out or paint them black inside the indentations
In regard to micro set sol and depending in the decal manufacturer they can sometimes react with each other. I start with micro set and if needed a hair dryer to assist con formaty to panel lines and compound shapes also it's easy to make a micro sol tray out of packing foam or plastic card and its alot cheaper. Regards
Gary I'm greatly enjoying these build videos. On the subject of the canopy detonation cords do you think a water color pencil would work, or maybe go over them with an eraser tip? As far as the missile decals band you have every right to rant about it. It seems like every manufacturer gets them wrong. The bands are too long , too short or not enough of them, or worst of all they are so stiff they won't wrap around the missile. It's frustrating for everyone. Manufacturers do better!
Hi Gary, lovely kit & build. Can’t wait to get one of these. I wonder on the Martel missiles if what u have done is actually correct? A photo on wiki seems to show the bands NOT going all the way around- actually as you’ve done. Needs more research to be sure though
I would mask and spray the bands on the weapons to be honest if you’re not happy with the fit. Oh and you’ve left seam lines on the 1000lb bomb just in case you didn’t spot it. But great build by the way. 👍🏻
The lines really are thin so masking and spraying is more trouble than it's worth for me. BTW the 1000lb I just glued up and tried the nose band to see what the fit was like - not intended to be actually used as my Buck is all Martel-ed up!!
I've seen them flying with four - radar ones - back in the day. They may have carried one under each wing and used slipper tanks on the inner pylons for extra range.
Looking at photos of the TV Martel, the black line is further forward. Just behind the TV head.
So not where Airfix say then... it might make a difference, just enough to mate up the ends. Likewise on the radar one.
Don't worry about painting the MDC on the canopy, Navy Bucs didn't have it. Only fitted to RAF aircraft. How do I know?
Spent the first 3 yrs of my RAF career converting RN Buccaneers to RAF Spec at RAF St Athans, many moons ago
I visited St.Athan as a "space cadet" at the end of the 70s (79 maybe?) - there were some F-4s and Buccaneers in the hangars from the FAA. Bloke from the armourers section gave me a length of MDC cord (without the explosive, of course), a half-moon neoprene kind of thing it was. There was a Vulcan as well and we were allowed to climb into the closed bomb bay - cavernous thing! One of the better camps we went on.
@garys_stuff air cadet trips back in the 90s were great fun. Though by then they had very much clamped down on what cadets were allowed to do after some nasty accidents sadly along with a group of cadets killed in a wessex crash. Still they were fun, but flying was limited to chipmunk, bulldog or when we went to Northolt hs125 or 146 or Andover. .
Looking like a great build Gary
Rant was appreciated!
Did me the world of good...
Gary, a thought for narrow lines like the detonation cords.. a tech drawing pen as the nibs go down to fractions of a millimetre. Then you don't risk overspill and can use a rule to get them exactly were you want. Thinking about it they may come in handy for panel lines too :)
I was going to try one for panel lines - I've seen a pen that is 0.03mm tip!
I’ve used really thinned out black and loaded a fine brush and just used the capillary effect to fill the set chord in the canopy of my 1:48 red arrow. Not seen the buccaneer but that method wouldn’t work of course if the set chords are raised
Nice build!
On the subject of Airfix and their spare parts division, I've messed up a couple of canopies in the past and have phoned Airfix up. If you tell them the truth, and that it's not their fault, they'll only ask you to pay a fiver or so for the part and the postage. That strikes me as being fair.
Pretty fair I'd say as well.
Gary, beautiful building, your care and experience are shining through!!
RANTS!!!!
All OK Gary as long as not personally
Bob
England 23:02
Those tricky engine cover decals.. a thought. How about using the original decal as a template? Cut out the whole decal. Slice through the tiny Ts at the edges, then carefully place that as a mask and use masking tape to hold it in place.. then paint through the cuts.
Not a bad plan mate!
Coming along beautifully, Gary. Clever to cut those rectangles up into 4 pieces. Shame about niggling decal problems so far into the build.
Rant away! That's what we're here for.
I want to see this finished beast on its wheels. Cheers!
Thanks Randy!
Over 2000 views in under 24 hours... I think you’re channel’s doing very well indeed. Looking great so far, Garry.
Cheers John, the Buccaneer and Mystic Mug have both hit the seam of popularity, I think!
Hi Gary, the Buccaneer is looking really good, I have to admit I am not fussed on the grey, I will wzit for the RAF version, good luck with the redt of the build, very bedt regards from a Kiwi living in Australia.
Thanks Les!
What a great idea to print the cut lines right on the decal sheet for wings folded decal application! Nice job, Airfix!
They did it on the 1/72 Buccaneer too. An excellent idea.
Really enjoying the detail on this one Gary - dastardly demonic decals though!
Lot of 'em!!!
Coming along nicely Gary. Thanks for sharing. Happy days and model on! 😎🇨🇦
Hi Gary,
One suggestion for using microsol and microset is to get an old jam jar (or something similar) and put in a mixture of water and microset. I think it's 3 parts water to one part Microset this helps with getting to sit and also gives you a larger container that is harder to knock over. The Microsol is still a worry however.
Good tip Steve, thanks!
@@garys_stuff I can't claim total credit I stole the idea from Will Pattison.
Good share then!
Fantastic Gary!! feel your pain with the decals...models looking great though.
Looking good for the final run in Gary. I do sympathise over the decals. I made the 1:72, and the small decals were horrendous, you needed eyes like a s***house rat to even see them, as I'm sure you know. Looking forward to the end result, it's a splendid kit.
Cheers Michael, almost there! Yes, many of the decals are minuscule...
high Gary have you every lost your mojo and for how long fantastic model by the way
Not really - there are days when it feels like work (which it is) and there have been kits I've not really enjoyed building as much as others but generally I'm happy to get on with whatever project is there. Figure painting is different - I've had the same regiment of Portuguese 18mm infantry to paint for ages and just can't get round to starting them.
@@garys_stuff Gary one more question have you used airfix paints on this kit and have you used the gen 2 for spraying. thank you
@@johnpotts4452 no, I used Vallejo paints on this. I have used some Gen2 paint, some by brush and some through the airbrush. It needs quite a lot of thinning for the airbrush - about 1:1 worked for me - and although I think Humbrol paint is a pure water-based acrylic and can be thinned with simple water, I do tend to use an acrylic thinner (I use the Spruebox one). Remember that in an airbrush you will also need to add a few drops of a retarder or "flow improver" to help prevent paint drying in the nozzle, I use the Vallejo one.
Maybe the small strips of decal go between the strips which go alongside the side of the missile
I don't know - I'm getting more and more confused...
Lovely build so far. I'm not usually a fan of jets but I may well invest in one of these for the stash. Looking forward to the next instalment fella.
)The build is going really well (in my opinion anyway!). Don't worry about the rant - we have been waiting for this kit for so long and all the mouldings look fab. The decal issue is interesting because I've never had a badly fitting set of Cartograf decals. As we all know - you would have to look at real live rounds (or photos at least) to get the real markings. My betting is that someone has looked at a museum piece (which as we all know have a tendency to be repainted - cough, cough) and that is what Cartograf have been asked to reproduce. Just a thought. Absolutely can't wait to get hold of one of these - Victorious or Eagle for me though to go alongside the Sea Vixens.
The markings might well be absolutely spot on, as they are printed on the layout sheet. But there aren't enough lines on the decal sheet! An 800NAS bird from Eagle would suit me too.
No Gary it’s Buc,Buc,Buc not Bok……😃good to rant mate it’s like the blue nose cone on the Concorde kit but the fin you have to paint blue before adding the speed bird ,looking good mate
Mark 👍🏻😊
I never bought Micro Sol and Set, but got Mr Hobby´s. Those are really good! As well as Tamiya´s Super strong for really weird surfaces.. :)
The Japanese square-based bottles are much heavier and more stable than thr Micro bottles which are quite top-heavy.
Bravo!
@@randytaylor1258 Yeah they seem a bit flimsy..?
Hi Gary! Yeah I had the exact same issues with decals on my kinetic Italian f104! Said I needed 6 large roundels but only had 4! Thought I was going mad the ammount of times I counted but sometimes companies just overlook things! I agree it’s very frustrating. I have this kit on order and I’m doing scheme D which includes just the bombs which by your video looks like they fit lovely!! Keep it up Gary
I will do scheme d as well. It has nice tail art
Nice!!!
I had a similar decal number problem on my italeri typhoon. They didn’t provide enough decals for the band around the AIM-120 AMRAAMs. But on the stencils, they provided way too many. My solution was that I just made only two of the four AMRAAMs. It still looked good though
With the 94 decals, because there were 4 nose decals for three missiles was the fourth supposed to be used cut in half to make the six 94s?
I don't think they plan things quite that well....
@@garys_stuff ... or as a friend once said 'If it's a choice between conspiracy and cockup, it's usually cockup' :)
And I thought my 1:72 kits had a lot of decals... oh boy. That sheer number of decals is intimidating, to the point where it's a little off putting! Looks stunning in the end though.
Nah, nothing like an F-4 for example. Manageable.
I served on the Ark from 1975 to1978 the Martells were white
You should tell Airifx. I have seen them in various colours but that was a little later when they were passed to the RAF and they were mainly ordnance green, or black for testing.
From my decal sheet Gary there are 4 x 94 and 4 x 89 which are both black and white. As you use No. 89 on half the missile and you can only have four missisles then there are enough decals. I'm looking at decal option 'A' Ark Royal 1978. The short run decals on the nose are curved and it may be possible you've put them on back to front in which case they won't fit properly (as me how I know from previous kits). Hope this helps 🙂
Hi Al, just looking at the decal placement sheet - each of the Martels has two no.94 half-bands - one top front the other bottom middle. Even with three Martels, that's six no.94s. These are simple black stripe decals. The no.89 is black and white, goes on the mid upper segment. I tried the nose bands both ways round in case I was doing it wrong as well! Just couldn't get them to meet up. As for only having four missiles, you can carry four radar Martels, but there are only two in the kit. Soon as you use a TV Martel you also need to carry the data pod which takes up a pylon. So in this version of the kit, you can only have three Martels - either two radar and one TV or two TV and one radar. Perhaps a later boxing of an RAF maritime strike version may have four radar Martels, but as I say the decal sheet will have been redesigned anyway with the different squadron markings.
The RAF version would carry 4 Sea Eagle missiles and are probably marked up the same way hence having 4 stripes so a common decal!! Maybe??
The S.2D started off with the Martel then converted to the Sea Eagle. A distant memory makes me think they carried four radar Martels at the time, don't recall RAF aircraft with the TV ones but am probably wrong!
I did 6 years on Martel at RAF Marham, and we definitely did use the TV Martel, it was the only anti ship missile we had in service until we got the Sea Eagle
@@64mickh thanks for the info. Did you also use radar Martels? I seem to remember they were kind of like an ARM but had to be tuned to a radar frequency before flight to search out, say, the SAM control radars on Soviet ships.
@@garys_stuff , yes mate ,AR Martels also. I seem to remember standard maritime strike load was 1xAR , 2xTV and DLP
@@64mickh which is, if I recall, how I loaded up my Buccaneer!
Strange they didn't put the holes thru on the interior the airbrakes...the old one had them..either drill them out or paint them black inside the indentations
Is there anything countermeasure wise in the air brakes?
Not that I can see - there are early and late versions of the airbrakes...
In regard to micro set sol and depending in the decal manufacturer they can sometimes react with each other.
I start with micro set and if needed a hair dryer to assist con formaty to panel lines and compound shapes also it's easy to make a micro sol tray out of packing foam or plastic card and its alot cheaper.
Regards
Good tip Richard! Thanks!
Gary I'm greatly enjoying these build videos. On the subject of the canopy detonation cords do you think a water color pencil would work, or maybe go over them with an eraser tip? As far as the missile decals band you have every right to rant about it. It seems like every manufacturer gets them wrong. The bands are too long , too short or not enough of them, or worst of all they are so stiff they won't wrap around the missile. It's frustrating for everyone. Manufacturers do better!
Cheers Dan. I'm not sure about the MDC lines, there must be a way but I'm just too feart to try them!
The missile issue is why I always try to paint the stripes instead of trying to adhere decals.
If it were not such a tiny stripe I might have tried...
Hi Gary, lovely kit & build. Can’t wait to get one of these. I wonder on the Martel missiles if what u have done is actually correct? A photo on wiki seems to show the bands NOT going all the way around- actually as you’ve done. Needs more research to be sure though
The bands don't go over the side rails, this is true, but they don't quite even match up with them. It's a mm or so difference...
I would mask and spray the bands on the weapons to be honest if you’re not happy with the fit. Oh and you’ve left seam lines on the 1000lb bomb just in case you didn’t spot it. But great build by the way. 👍🏻
The lines really are thin so masking and spraying is more trouble than it's worth for me. BTW the 1000lb I just glued up and tried the nose band to see what the fit was like - not intended to be actually used as my Buck is all Martel-ed up!!
@@garys_stuff oh cool if course. I was going to say, the rest of the model is a picture of perfection and I really enjoyed watching the build.
Did Airfix get in touch about the decals Gary
Not yet Dean - maybe I'll nudge them...!
@@garys_stuff nudge them Gary
hmm, someone at Airfix doesn't know Pi d -mmmmm Pie day
Pi.d minus a little bit for the rails at the side...
👍🇳🇿✈️
The Buccaneer could only carry two Martels.
I've seen them flying with four - radar ones - back in the day. They may have carried one under each wing and used slipper tanks on the inner pylons for extra range.
No mate. We regularly loaded 3 and a DLP