One Burning Question: The Handmaid’s Tale (S4, E8): Are June & Aunt Lydia The Same? | Hulu
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- Max Minghella (Nick) and Ever Carradine (Naomi) compare June's actions since leaving Gilead to Aunt Lydia's. Are they similar?
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Is it just me, or is anyone else bothered by how much the interviewer interrupts the actors??
not just you. ugh. i had to stop watching because it was driving me crazy.
I literally just wrote this in another comment. It’s super annoying and disrespectful to them
Yeah, last week I really noticed it too. The guests could not even finish their scentence most of the time before she went on to tell her own opinion (which was interesting but not really what I came for)
Yesssss! It's rude on the interviews part, she's supposed to ask the questions, not take the spotlight away from the guests.
Yeah she is really into it and is really excited which is fine but let them answer your questions. He has he interrupted a lot.
June is using vengeance to heal and find justice while Lydia uses vengeance to hurt and conform others. While they both explode in rage June uses words & Aunt Lydia uses physical force. Big differences.
I like your insight
June was working for the press so of course words are the way she will do to harm or heal from. I agree with you very much because June did more good things than Aunt Lydia did wrong. June actually is using her rage because of pain she has and trauma.
Right!! I found her comparison of the two a bit wrong... Those women are not the same.
Read The Testaments
Abuse is still abuse though. That’s said. June has been traumatized by abuse and Lydia chose her path
His accent is...I just love him ❤️💕💕💕
I know he’s English but sometimes he sounds Australian
June’s anger is wayyyy different, she’ll use words while aunt Lydia will use physical stuff.
June has been through some horrific trauma. Aunt Lidia is psychotic ver big difference
I wish the host didn't interrup the guests while they are speaking
THANK YOU. I felt bad for Ever Carradine because she couldn't complete her thought.
I felt the same way! Like plz stop!
I loved Max's point. Who says June hasn't had that 'dark' part of her all along? She was smart tho, she knew that while she's in Gilead and her life is in the hands of the Waterfords and Gilead, she can't let it all out. She was playing the game, in a way, she was constantly censoring herself and suppressing her rage (which, as anyone can tell, is extremely unhealthy). This is why the 'particicutions' were established, to exploit all the repressed emotions of the handmaids accumulated from their daily abuse in a "productive" and beneficial way for the system. Now that June is safe in Canada, she no longer needs to be strategic and pick her words carefully.
After all she didn't mind stealing someone's husband 🤣😂
@@l.c.7955 you hit the jackpot with that comment..
Hey Luke is 50% of that.
Thank you for articulating what I have been trying to get across to friends😂 Nailed it.
I think trauma fueled her anger. I don't think she had it within her to begin with.
I need these discussions to be 20min long.. This is the only thing to cope after watching the episode
Yes its extreamly cronfronting thos season, l almost stopped watching it , even tho l love the show.
Agreed
oh Azmi, can you access the podcast, Eyes on Gilead. It is the best for decompressing after an episode. :)
Yes!
There's another TH-cam channel called pay or wait who does recaps that are great and soothing
June does not realize how much she’s like her mother! Her mother was a fighter! June seemed to be embarrassed by it and kept hers surpressed and that natural born instinct was ignited in Gilead.
Also when June was walking around with the aunt in the middle, felt exactly like
The old shaming scenes! But with June doing the shaming. Felt weird but also great, I thought for a second they was all gonna point at her and say you did it to the aunt 🤣
@@TheMotherofTacos I noticed that too!
@@TheMotherofTacos never noticed that, that is a great catch!!!!
I totally expected them to all start chanting.
I was also waiting for a full shaming! but I understand that this would have been too obvious. They played the overlap just right.
@@TheLisa-Al-Gaib I agree with you 100% if they all pointed woildbe been too much 😂
More Max Minghella, please!
But NO, they are NOT the same. I think it's pretty reductive that we're just aligning two very different women with two completely different intentions merely because they have righteous anger.
Yeah, think so too...
They kinda did a similar thing in 4x7, where June was 'depicted' as a Wife in some situations. June's behavior bears resemblance to Serena's and Lydia's (her main female abusers) and it's on purpose IMO... The key here will be June's motives though, cause I think ultimately, she'll come out on top - being able to brake the circle of abuse, showing those 2 a woman they always wanted to become.
Yeah you can tell max really hated the question because he gets June’s rage probably more than any viewer! He was defending June the whole time
I can't get over his British accent! He sounds completely different. Like Nick's British cousin
I thought he was Australian?
@@marycordes4509 no he's a Brit
June can't possibly lead a "normal" life because she doesn't want to heal. I think in the end the only thing that'll make sense is June saving Hannah but dying in the process. There's no normal, happy life for June even if she ever gets revenge and Gilead burns to the ground
PLEASE READ THE TESTAMENTS BEFORE YOU ALL SPEAK...
Not having a happy life doesn't mean you have to die to resolve the story, people live unhappily all the time. 😆. I don't think June wants happiness and to lead a normal life thr way Moira does. She wants a life of PURPOSE.
@@sebastienhiddn5589 I read the testaments. It doesnt go into her life much other than the fact that she lived and works with mayday. Same with nick
I was responding to the person who wrote that the only way for June was to save Hannah while dying in the process...a very over dramatic cliché narrow view to me
@@sebastienlamotte8593 imo, her dying or it going the way of the testaments at the very end/if they make another series is a bit cliche. Two long lost sisters find each other and escape. Loved the book and im enjoying the series but still... that part is cliche
This interviewer needs to stop interrupting people.
What a ridiculous question. They have completely different backgrounds. June is a victim of the system. Her mind is now broken and she wants revenge. Aunt Lydia is a selfish, brain-washed lunatic since before Gylead. I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for her.
Have you read The Testaments? I think she suffers from "Stockholm Syndrome". But, initially she played along to save her own skin.
I don't see how the two can be compared. June's anger is toward the people who harmed her. Aunt Lydia enjoys inflicting pain on the handmaid's and others who have done nothing to her.
And not to mention, she's literally upholding a misogynistic fascist state, June is trying to liberate women FROM it. They're on completely opposite sides of the spectrum.
@@ncorp2668 Exactly!
It’s not that aunt Lydia enjoys inflicting pain. It is that she sees the infliction of pain as a way to control. Those are two different things. I can see where you would make that mistake. Please think a little deeper on these matters.
@@mypetcrow9873 yes! This.
A lot of people here forgot real fast what June did to Lawrence's wife. June could have saved her but she let her die on purpose "for the kids", the same excuse Lydia uses for their abuses.
Next time let them talk please don’t interrupt them.
why is the interviewr forcing them to admit aunt Lydia and June are the same? And talking about victimhood?
Thank you. The question is subjective and the guests are allowed to disagree. Shes condescending and comes across as a know it all and thinks she's the smartest person in the room and almost doesn't allow them to not agree and the continuous interrupting is ficking annoying.
I'm so used to him being Nick that it's hard to see him as Max. Guess I have to watch Spiral now.
One hard thing I experienced recovering from trauma was accountability. In the midst of survival it was "excusable" to do things generally considered immoral, like Moira said, "we did what we had to do, to survive". Once physically out of that situation though, you must eventually "heal", be accountable to your own actions and their impact on others (e.g. considering Luke's feelings), etc. It's a struggle one faces when they're no longer being actively victimized, but of course, the damage remains, so they can't immediately become a pleasant, functioning member of the society, but however unfair it is mental labor some people are forced into. Hard, hard labor, and the longer you spent in that survival mode, the harder it is. I wonder if June is refusing to start that process at all, even at a cost of people she loves, hurting them. My burning question is: has June gone too far?
Exactly my thoughts. People's emphasis on forgiveness and media nowadays can grate for some people, but it's one way to get closure when you have none. I think that part of June's problem is that she has no closure. She wants to go, look at me and all I went through, which is understandable, but it's blocking her (or will eventually) from actually resolving the issue. I wouldn't be so concerned about her doing this right away if this was just confined to life outside of her personal life. But of course it can't be. If she keeps behaving this way, what about hannah? What about nicole? Will she even be able to raise them properly? What about Luke and the way that she violated him? How in any way is that okay? It's not like June can take a retreat somewhere until she feels better. Unless they make that? That would probably be a good idea. But my point means that she can't stop real life to deal with her trauma. She has to deal with her life alongside her trauma, which is why I'm concerned if this pattern continues. Full disclosure, I can't get through entire episodes of this show. It should be clear to anybody who's watched it why. But I have read the book and it's easy to make connections between the book and what is going on with what I have seen, so I participate in some discussion anyway.
I kind of wonder, if the reason aunt Lydia is so obsessed with June is because she reminds her of that woman and child that she betrayed…
how can nick’s actor not see june as a victim?? her strength and power don’t take away from her being victimized by gilead
I think he means because when people hear the word "victim" they think of someone cowering in a corner. June used to be meek and more victim like in order to survive, but she's not doing that anymore. I think he's just saying she's not really a victim so much as a survivor
Ikr, I’m all for people calling themselves survivors but they were still victimised. It doesn’t need to be a ‘weak’ word.
True, but everyone is victim to Gilead besides the commanders. June has been a victim to terrible things but her charecter is so strong and powerful its hard to see her as a victim. Most people would crumble under such circumstances but she played Fred like a fiddle, gained control of Josef, bested aunt lydia physically and mentally, and raised a metaphoric army of hand maids. She is probably the most powerful victim I have ever seen in media
Okay so I have zero idea Max had an accent. God he’s really good at an American accent
Lovely to hear nick hasn't lost his British accent. X
You mean Max? :D
These discussions could literally be made into another awesome show!
Lydia thinks she’s a warrior for God. June is reacting to trauma.
June living a 'normal' life is never going to be a possibility. Lydia is crumbling under the nascent realisation she is little more than monster - yet desperately desires to be the good and fine woman, 'aunt', which she has deluded herself as being for years. Both women are collapsling internally, under the weight of their experiences - where this leads is anyone's guess!
Was not expecting Nick to be British lol. That accent threw me
I thought that too and Luke
His while demeanor is different with that accent. I thought he was Mexican on the show.
Funny...somehow..like Therapie- group for fans;-) I like Max's humor and his calm kind answering questions;-)
Ahhh Clicked for Max.. ok. 💟😇
This guy....Total badass.....👍
Handmaids Tale...Spiral ..❤️
Thanks HULU for the Awsome show❤️❤️
Luv u HULU ❤️❤️😘😘
wheww this is the first i’m hearing Max’s voice and MY GOD that opening line did something to me
I'm sure there's a reason we are seeing Mrs. Putnam. Can't wait for these next episodes!
I think there would be a turn for aunt Lydia for the better since Janine's return. You can see that in the promo for the next episode & from the interaction with aunt Lydia and Janine reunion. Also June can be angry without being selfish and arrogant.
You cannot be angry the way June is angry and not hurt others, it's impossible.
I find it interesting they chose to play ‘ The Night King’ by Ramin Djawadi (Game of Thrones, Season 8 soundtrack) from 0:18 to 0:31 seconds in this video. One could argue both June and the Night King had their innocence stolen and were subjected to inhumane treatment. Just my 2 cents.
Aunt Lydia’s initial traumas are rejection (by the loved one), fear of being alone, and revenge. A gillead, she is nothing without her daughters (handmaid), as much she envy them (to create life) as she makes them suffer the worst (moral and physical). Despite everything Aunt Lydia knows, I still have a hard time understanding how she can believe that everything she says, what she does, has anything to do with God’s will. In season 2, she told June that Janine’s rescue was a mistake. Janine was sent to the colonies to die slowly when she could have died quickly but violently with stones, what difference? Death remains the only way out, yet in the last episode Aunt Lydia is afraid of being executed by Lawrence, or does she secretly wish it?
Love Max brings nick to life like no other he so talented ,the interviewer was so rude not letting then finnish wat they were say, someone needs to tell her thats how u have a conversation
I love Janine but I think they have turned her into Giliads “kenny” ( from South Park. ). It would be comical if it was at all funny. Every time something horrible happens it seems like it’s always Janine. IMHO it really is time for it to stop. A fake eye would be nice at some point, too.
STOP INTERRUPTING THE GUESTS . LET THEM TALK
Hulu, fire this lady. She's focused on herself not the actors.
I always look forward to this run down every week
After every interview I’ve seen …Max is def in love with June and fan girls over their relationship just like us. In one interview he said “Nick is a quite romantic character which is really fun for me because I’m like that myself, I think Lizzie shares that, we have a lot of fun with those scenes” paraphrasing but 😩 he gets it
Loved Ever Carradine's points, please invite her onto _One Burning Question_ more.
**Testaments spoiler**
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I don't have any friends who watch the show and have read the books so this theory is driving me crazy and I have no one to discuss with!
If the showrunners are planning on moving towards the testaments (which is my personal theory from what I'm seeing them do this season) we know that eventually aunt Lydia has a change of heart about Gilead, to a degree.
In the current season, Lydia is basically having a mental breakdown until she reunites with Janine. We know how much Lydia cares for Janine, so I am curious if Janine is going to have a tragic end that makes Lydia start to question what Gilead actually stands for.
I am also waiting for aunt Lydia's turning point to be coherent with the content of the "Testaments". And I also got the feeling from that scene with Janine that she is going to slowly cross over to the other side this season. I have been trying to read this shift in her attitude every time she was more or less defensive and caring towards the handmaids, as if those moments were dim flashlights into her actual character, which is bound to develop later on, as it does in the book.
Uhm... the way I interpreted The Testaments is that Aunt Lydia had been playing a role all along to save her own skin. She used to be a judge - before Gilead. She is "acting" as an enforcer of Gilead rule and none of her transgressions are based on her own intrinsic rage. It might be that her violence is an outlet for her rage about the role she had been forced into. She always seems tearful when she has to conduct punishments or physically assault someone. It's the secret thoughts and actions of Aunt Lydia that we don't have access to at this stage and her thought processes are only really revealed in The Testaments.
@@alic9543 You could very well be right. The way I read it was at some point she kind of agreed with the ideals of Gilead and believed in her role. But then, she started to have a heart for the female children of Gilead, therefore intervening and suggesting the aunt-hood.
@@beckyg2292 I think she pretended to agree with the ideals in order to survive. That's what I got from the book. That her actions were in line with what Gilead expected from her. If she came across as too weak to fulfill her role, she would have ended up dead. As a judge in her previous life, she would not have ordered physical punishment to be administered to innocent people and I think that she is suffering from intense internal conflict. "Play along and stay alive" or "Be kinder and gentler and pay for it with your life". Her meanness is the facade and in the background she tries to help the girls (but cannot be seen to be sympathetic). At times she almost begs them to cooperate and tries to instill the ideals of the greater good into them, so she doesn't have to punish them. Oh, and her pattern is to use people against one another so she doesn't have to get her hands dirty. June did the same with the young wife: "Make me proud" - I thought that she was imitating Aunt Lydia in that scene. Lydia is a very complex character.
Man this makes me realize how much I miss Ever Carradine
Omg fire the interviewer she’s the worst i’ve ever seen! The actors seem uncomfortable since their speech constantly being cut by her. She’s so rude!
I don't think they're the same but Gilead and her experiences have definitely broken her. What is interesting is the way she described Serena Joy since that Is exactly what June has become in my opinion, she has not became a bad person but she will not ever be the June either Moira and her husband remember
I totally agree! June will eventually heal, but she will definitely be a different June. One I do not think Luke or Moira will accept. They both keep wanting June to be who they "know" and love. That June is gone forever. Getting Hannah back may get June closer to who she was, but she will never be the same. And I do not think even getting Hannah back will help the dying relationships with Luke and Moira.
Clearly the interviewer thinks she has all of the answers…why bother interviewing the actors if she knows so much already? 🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄
A lot of people here forgot real fast what June did to Lawrence's wife. June could have saved her but she let her die on purpose "for the kids", the same excuse Lydia uses for their abuses.
Lawrence’s wife was out anyway she couldn’t live with the fact with what her and her husband created
So June let her rest peacefully. She wanted to save her but the kids escape plan and the wife’s own desires stopped her
Daddy eyebrows 💘
The answer is no. June is reacting to her experience and her rage has been an attempt to not become completely submissive as Nick said rage is a driving force , sadness rarely has the same effect. Aunt Lydia has become consumed by power and is attempting to control an uncontrollable situation by exerting her power over the women who are easily controlled. She hasn't suffered the same the same experience so her behaviour towards the girls is unjustified in my opinion. She rarely shows morality
June lost her "handmaid" army, so she's found new girls to recruit. She wants them angry and willing to fight. Is this just to make a better impact at the trial? Or maybe June wants to develop the Mayday group she's been trying to hard to be a part of.
I THINK maybe she wants someone to pat her on the back and tell her her feelings are justified and her actions are okay. Because the current group of people are trying to change her mind to “heal” and “move on” and she doesn’t want too.. she wants those who hurt her to hurt, thinking it will make her feel better, even though it won’t.
@@mcnoneya I think June wants to do everything in her power to bring Gilead down as retribution for taking Hannah (and many other children) away from their mothers. She wants other women to own their rage and not go into victimhood and try and 'heal'. She wants to fight back & not roll over and play dead. She is in a safer space and can dedicate her full attention to it, but cannot do it alone. Gilead cannot be taken on with soft gloves - they need to come from a place of rage.
@@alic9543 You worded that theory better than I did, but yes this was what I was trying to convey, in developing mayday.
If you've read The Testaments, the big surprise is who Mayday really is.... very interesting twist that sent shivers down my spine.
@@mcnoneya I think that bringing Gilead down and getting Hannah back, would make her feel better. But she cannot do that on her own. She needs all the support she can get from people coming from the same circumstances. I think any movement for human rights would probably start as a consequence of gross injustice & the early movers would be the people most affected by it.
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Lydia's rage comes from a place of needing control and power. June's rage comes from protecting her fellow handmaid's and her family. Very different people. Just because they both have rage issues, I don't see them as similar at all. Everyone in the show has strong emotions - rage is just another emotion.
June is recruiting right now. She wants to fight extremism with extremism, so she manipulates the former handmaids to embrace their extreme anger. She is forming a new set of soldiers, since she got the last batch killed. We saw her recruiting in Gilead. The handmaids and marthas didn't feel they had as much to lose then, as the new ones that have freedom in Canada. So she has to use antics to tap into their rage, like bringing a former aunt right in front of them to remind them how it was. I think June is beginning to see her soldiers as expendable, and willing to use them to achieve her end goal.
More burning question with max minghella please
I get Taylor when said " I love my London Boy "
Can you let your guests talk and THEM be the experts??
I think June and Lydia are both experiencing a breakdown. They are releasing all the pain Gilead has caused. But I don't think they're the same in this instance. I do think they're both surprised at how they react sometimes. Lydia probably doesn't really want to be in Gilead, it's all about survival within the female community in Gilead.
I think Lydia does really want to be in gilead but I think she has a soft spot for Janine so maybe in a few episodes she’ll be against gilead because of Janine
@@taylorcar9052 At worst, Lydia has Stockholm Syndrome. At best, she may be of the opinion that she is the girls' only hope. She has to get them to play along, for their own benefit, otherwise they will meet with a much worse fate.
Interviewer... Please allow your guests to speak! Isn't that why you invited them to the show. .. So that they give THEIR opinions.
They aren’t the same at all. Lydia chose that life, putting herself above those women. She enjoys hurting them now she has embraced her anger and is lashing out and anyone and everyone. June is filled with rage but is trying to focus her anger to only hurt those that deserve it. She isn’t hurting innocents
The best shows are those that reveal the flaws in their heroes and the humanity of their antagonists, which makes the monstrosity of the villains actions all the more frightening
June reminds me of Boudica... similar situation here except true (mostly)...
loved the video !!
I just came here to fangirl max 😍 !
I'm wondering if June will see Nick again.
Oh yeah, they'll meet again.
Buenas tardes‼️‼️ Este canal solo existe en inglés?? Hay alguno, con traducciones??
June is trying to find her power
She really shouldn't do any interviews. She doesn't listen to guests and their views.
Max you are a cutie..any video I see your face I click on it..you are an awesome actor.. 😍
June she wants her child back that got taken away .
Heavenly Father I pray that you keep the person reading this alive, safe, healthy and financially blessed Amen🗼
Oh that’s sweet, my hubby is flummoxed.
Can she shut up and let them talk..
Max why are you so cute and hot at the same time 🥰 ?? I don’t care about the burning question..I m here for max minghella speak in his British accent..🥺
STOP STEPPING ON THE ACTORS ANSWERS. No one is interested what you have to say about this show beyond your questions.
June has lost her humanity. You can see it in Season 4. And it's not a good thing, either. She's letting her trauma win.
Nick is well spoken ughhhh
I think both women are entitled to the to their raged for completely diif reason's, while Aunt Lydia could be coming full circle, l dont think June will any time soon or even if she will, l think she hangs on to her range because, she thinks if she dosent, her feelings of Hannah will eat her up & destroy he. But in the end l think end Nicole will be her saving grace & keep her from going to far at least in Canada.
June became aunt Lydia but Lydia did it to the innocent, June did it to the deserving
Nick with a British accent. My my!
The interviewer is asking interesting q?s and getting really interesting insights... I feel if they just added 5 more min she wouldn't have to be the high talker in the group
Wait... was the beginning the theme for The Night King?
I caught that too....thought I accidently clicked on a Thrones channel
@@taunyawoosley9076 I thought I had opened another tab
They're not the same. June just using the Gilead tactics against them.
Lydia has some redeeming qualities but i still think beyond redemption where june for sure is
June certainly is victimized by the society of Gilead. However Lydia might well have been victimized by the society that preceded Gilead. We don't get a ton of history on her. I'd like to see more. It would unlock what make Lydia tick.
The Testaments will tell you more about Lydia. She is far more intelligent than is apparent in the series thus far.
@@alic9543 yes I read The Testaments, so I do know her history in that sense. The series is getting there with her, but it isn't clear yet if they will stay true to the book.
June has every right to be angry with the aunts, as do all the other handmaids, Aunt Lydia and June are nothing alike
Nope not the same, aunt cray cray is crazy. Awesome characters 👌
Omg had no idea Max was a fellow Brit 👌😍
Goodness the host interrupted too much. Let the actors speak!!
Terrible, rude interviewer . She kept interrupting the actors . Can’t they find someone better . I couldn’t finish watching this
This host was so rude
Yeah, both of them are not victims, June is a survivor while Aunt Lydia is just a perpetrator.
Ahan a New Nick Here😉
Lydia and June are nothing a like....I wish people would stop saying June is turning evil, she has suffered soooo much of course shes angry, of course Junes changed. Aunt Lydia is a horrible woman, even though she does love June and Janine. June is not perfect, but she is nothing like Lydia. Its clear the 2 actors didnt either and the interviewer kept pushing that...
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this interviewer needs to stop
Different interviewer next time please
Wait he’s British?? Whaaat
The interviewer is the wooooorst I've had ever seen.... So rude and interrupting every second. Couldn't finish the video.