Everything Wrong With Pinocchio in 17 Minutes or Less
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2022
- With a new Pinocchio on the way soon, we went back to the classic Disney original, and this movie is insane. And sinful!
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Let’s be real, Pinocchio is one of those movies you enjoy watching as a kid, and then once you grow up realize it was all nightmare fuel
It was that as a kid too, I remember checking for at least a week if I had not grown a tail or donkey ears after I saw this movie.
The part where Jiminey shouts "Quiet!" cracks me up everytime as well as the pool table scene. I also like Lampwick. Other than that I haven't watched it in a long time due to how scary it was
Stromboli, the Coachmaster, the statues at Pleasure Island, and the whale all reek of ominous energies. This was probably the first Disney movie for me where I felt mostly unsettled despite the cheerful musicals.
I still enjoy watching Pinocchio. Even if the dark stuff is there, the music is still good, as are the visuals in general, the humor, the charisma... and boy, do I love the way the movie presents Monstro the whale!
Nope, not even as a kid. Didn't like Peter Pan much either.
The scene where Lampwick screams for his mama while turning into a Donkey is still one of the most disturbing moments in all of cinema..
I wouldn’t go that far
Yes!!! Disturbing for kids for sure
My nightmare childhood
@@jamesferguson3401 I would that shit was scary cray cray
@@homelesshannah50 why
Pleasure Island apparently has a curse that turns boys into donkeys if they misbehave while in the area. The reason why it only goes part way for Pinocchio is because he and Jiminy leave Pleasure Island before the transformation could finish. The movie just didn't bother explaining any of it.
Another sin then, that the curse works on wooden puppets too. That the curse-maker worded it with a provision for puppets, on the off-chance that something like this movie would happen 😄
@@nthgth Good point
@@nthgth The island's curse is also ambiguous, leaving us to fill in with our headcanon, in the novel which was made up by a drunk as he went along.
In the 1996 adaptation, one of the rides at Pleasure Island involves a roller-coaster that goes under a waterfall - the water being the element that makes the boys transform. The man in charge (Lorenzini, I think) drinks some of the water by accident and jumps into the sea, becoming the monster that swallows Geppeto.
Also transformation may vary based on certain levels of misbehaving. Remember how the the evil coachman was sifting through the boys who turned into donkeys checking if they could still talk or not? It’s the ones that could still talk that didn’t misbehave as much as the ones who misbehaved the most. That latter group were the ones that went full on donkey and the coachman could use them as slaves. My point is, Pinocchio only grew ears and a tail because he only misbehaved a little. He still had a conscience after all.
Fun fact: You can actually pet a fish! It depends on the type of fish, but many fish (especially betas) enjoy pets. You do exactly what Geppetto did, stick a couple fingers in and wait for the fish to come to you. If the fish wants to be pet it'll rub against you, similar to how a cat does.
Adorable!
the fish just forget your fingers don't belong there ... :'D
Yeah the main crime in this film was having it in a bowl 😆🤦♀️
doesn't fish have a slimy exterior that works as their bacteria protection, and whatever is on human skin tends to damage it and can cause the fish issues?
@@Konani_the_unicorn_queen Maybe? But it's not your bare hand, your finger goes in the water.
As a kid, the kids misbehaving on the island and turning into donkeys and THEN not being returned to their parents was such a terrifying concept. And the whale. Why did the whale have HUMAN TEETH?
As an adult, I couldn’t believe how quick Geppetto was to send him to school.
In another version starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas, it’s explained that the whale was a man turned into a whale hence the human teeth
And even though Pinocchio escapes, we never see any of these boys or the newly turned donkeys ever again and the Coachman is probably still out there still going to find a new bunch of boys to lure in. (I'm assuming this isn't one of those things in stories where they'll turn back to normal the more good deeds they do or learn their lesson)
To be fair, out of the anthropomorphic animals, donkey transformations and literal magic happening all before the whale is introduced, it having human teeth was one of the least bizarre things. It still terrified me as well, not because of the teeth, but because of the sounds it was making, plus the music
@@glitchlokison interesting 🤔
When looking at it that way, the whale having human teeth was far from some of the bigger questions here. For instance, anyone really swallowed by a whale would not be just sitting inside of what appears a big empty chamber with nothing else happening except them just sitting on their boat floating in a little water in there and otherwise unhurt. For real, they'd be churning inside a stomach digesting them and they would not survive it. But I get how that would be too frightening to watch for a Disney movie, as dark as it still got with the kids turning into donkeys and not going home which is awful, the latter still didn't entail the physical suffering and death that digesting in a real whale's stomach would. This movie played closer to Looneytunes rules where there's shooting, exploding dynamites, falling off cliffs, donkey transforming, whale swallowing, etc., but no one is ever seriously hurt or actually killed. Like Yosemite Sam, they could be shot or crumble to dust but then be fine again in the next scene.
Of course we know that Pinnochio is just a cartoon fairy tale. Besides the whale not having a realistic digestive system, there are many things about the movie which are not grounded in reality, a wooden puppet that's come to life, a fairy godmother magically granting wishes, kids being transformed into donkeys, a cricket and a puppet/kid being able to walk around for a long time underwater breathing normally and talking to the fish and them understanding you. It's best to just watch the movie without questioning what in it connects to reality. But even when watching cartoons, I think that we all still sometimes question them.
I take it you didn't give a sin for Pinocchio being able to breath underwater because he's technically a magically-animated puppet. Of course, that leaves a question: shouldn't the fact that Pinocchio was able to survive underwater but suddenly drowned while being chased by Monstro count as a sin?
Good one. If at all some
Extension of his should be broken
Good point
I mean he kind of sinned him for drowning. The whole, should be emdued with powers of wood thing.
@@Alphasnowbordergirl Well, I'm just saying, doesn't it count as an extra sin since it was shown he could breath underwater?
I always interpreted Pinocchio's death as him being slammed into the rocks and broken. But that Disney didn't draw him actually damaged because that would be too graphic.
As a kid watching this, the happiest moment for me was seeing that the pets survived the whale escape. I truly never really thought about that whole thing with Pinocchio drowning, after a whole sequence of him walking abound and talking underwater like he's Spongebob.
I don’t get how he was able to be brought back to life, when - once you’re dead, you’re dead.
@@michaelweech6432yeah, in real life. But this is a fairy tale. There alot of things in this movie that don't exist in real life, a fairy bringing a wooden puppet to life, a talking cricket, turning kids into donkeys, being swallowed by a whale and not just surviving that but also the inside of the whale looking like a lake inside a huge hollow cave with Gipetto and his boat just sitting and floating in there and being ok, other than not knowing yet how to get out of there, which they then do and are still fine, except Pinnochio, but he is fine too once the fairy returns.
That realization of the the guy who turns kids into donkeys still being at large is horrifying
Honest John: even in a 1940s movie eating an apple shows your character is an asshole cliche still applies
Jimmy Cricket: Guess he won't need me anymore..WAIT WHAT?! A supernatural being gives this thing an all important task and he just quits? HOW IS THAT ALLOWED 🤣
Still, this being an earlier film, it deserves a pass with the clichés. It also has an early use of the “third act breakup” cliché, when Pinocchio and Jiminy briefly part ways on Pleasure Island.
@@ARCtheCartoonMaster Yeah I know. Pinocchio was first written in 1883 after all.
You know what’s messed up? Normally In Disney films, the villain gets their comeuppance one way or another, but the Coachman in this actually got away with human trafficking.
If the remake gives him the karma he deserves, I'll pardon any other flaw it has. But I'm not holding my breath.
Not just got away with it- but from what I recall (and granted, its been a really long time), there is no solid indication that their Human trafficking to donkeys scam ever got shut down. To this day there could be a magic island out in Disneyverse where innocent children are tricked into becoming donkeys so that they can be sold for profit.
@@aceofspades9503 Hence why I'll pardon any flaws the remake has if they give the Coachmen what he deserves.
ALL of them got away with it, John/Stromboli/Coachman not a one got what they had coming
I remember in the SNES game you actually were able to get your revenge on him and kick him off the ledge on pleasure island. it felt so satisfying to do as a kid... if I ever get past the dance studio on some runs.
0:18 According to animation voice historian Keith Scott, Disney claimed it would spoil the illusion. However, the real reason most companies didn't give voice actors credit was because they'd ask for more money. Mel Blanc being the only credited voice actor in animation for years arguably made him a celebrity.
Keith Scott is amazing. I worked with him many years ago on some Warner Bros projects, he knows so much about animation and voice overs.
Yes he was 15:19
Wow, that's a far cry from today where having famous actors doing the voices is a major selling point, so much so that the plot can easily end up taking a backseat.
@@snowangelnc And taking jobs away from real voice actors.
C'mon, Mel Blanc would've been a celebrity anyway
god remembering that each and every frame of this movie is hand drawn and painted with little to no technological assistance whatsoever makes it so clear how jaw droppingly beautiful every moment is though, no holds barred, the constant use of prespective and weird anatomy with the characters twisting and flipping around and the movements of their clothing ect ect ect. SUCH a work of art
02:57 I used to have a ghost knife fish that loved to be petted, which was weird and awesome because they're kinda scary looking fish. Discovered this while rearranging things in its tank. I was always careful to clean my hands thoroughly before and after petting it to ensure no harm was done, though.
That's delightful, thanks for sharing it ^^
Not to be the "sinning the sinners" guy, but Pinocchio was the second-ever Disney animated feature, so Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland would actually be product placement for your own upcoming films. That might be even worse. Add two sins.
So it's what Pixar does in their animated features.
They Pixared before Pixar existed.
Ding!
Walt Disney made an Alice in Wonderland animation before Pinocchio. The twist was that he didn't make in Disney.
He made Alice's Wonderland while working at Laugh-a-Grams. It was an animated short.
The feature length Alice in Wonderland film went in and out of production for about 20 years due to Walt's perfectionist nature.
@@pkmnan00bis And it was a flop when it was first released. It was not reissued until FANTASIA caught on with the stoner generation. That caterpillar sequence.....
@@RossCompose I watched it for the first time about a year ago while marathoning all the Disney films, and honestly that movie deserved to flop. Hour and a half of things just happening and never actually leading up to anything
I will fight for the entirety of my life that the Donkey Transformation scene is one of the top 5- if not top 3- scariest/ most traumatizing things Disney has ever done. There are horror movies less scary than that scene.
If I remember it correctly, Joe Dante stated that he used Lampwick´s transformation as source, when creating The Howling.
Scary, but absolutely perfect. The remake doesn't even hold a whale of a candle to try compensating in front of the iconic and nostalgic og film.
Also the fact that the then donkey'ed children are sold into slavery essentially. Horrific
And yet out of the disney movies the ones that disturbed me the most was Kokum's death and Hellfire. I also didn't like this movie as a kid so that could be why I was unaffected.
Yeah, it’s right up there with the drunken Dumbo scene.
You missed a couple; Stromboli's show seems to be only Stromboli. So, who's playing the music he's "conducting," and who's operating the puppets? Also, neither Foulfellow, Gideon nor the Coachman ever get caught for their deeds! (There was a scene showing this, but it got cut.)
I recently rewatched this as an adult, like a year or two ago and the thing I was most amazed by is how much emphasis the world has placed on associating Pinocchio with the lying, growing nose when that scene only lasted about 5 minutes in it's entirety and was never brought up again. The kids turning into Donkeys lasted weeks longer than that scene! We talk so little about that, I forgot that was even in the movie!
In the book, Pinocchio completely turns into a donkey. A man buys him and then throws him into the ocean I. Order to drown him and use his Hyde for drum skins. Fish eat the dinky parts off and he is restored to being a wooden boy again. Also in the book, Pinocchio kills the cricket and the cricket is a ghost for the rest of the book. If you think that the movie is weird, it’s really tuned down for the movie.
Holy frig, that's even darker! lol
Disney always tunes downs their source material though
Damn! Brutal
Doesn’t Pinocchio get hanged at the end or geppetto dies
honestly, i would’ve killed the cricket too…
I know some things are glossed over in this movie, but even as a kid I wondered how the f*"$ Geppetto was swallowed by Monstro? We know Jiminy says he went looking for Pinocchio but the notion of a woodcarver even THINKING a wooden boy would go towards the ocean seems pretty freaking astronomical
They don't always explain what happened
I guess he intended to go from port to port to ask around and drifted too far
Well, uh, maybe Gepetto thought "Oh, he's never seen the ocean before so maybe he got curious and dived right in, unaware of the dangers!"
Seriously! Try telling an idiotic Bible thumper that a whale can't swallow anything larger than the circumference of a grapefruit! Much less a full-grown man! Even if it could, the whale's stomach acids and esophagus would've squeezed and disintegrated him into fleshy toothpaste!
@@christianparrish3292 They don't EVER explain what happened. This movie was written by aliens with ADHD.
Apart from being an analogy for religion from it's concept of being born sinful to a whale swallowing a person) this movie mostly highlights the complete apathy of human society.
From sending unprepared children into the world with no means of protecting themselves, to the lack of any effort from the townsfolk to try and locate the missing children.
Also there is magical intervention for a grown man swallowed by a whale, but nothing for the children who were led astray while their parents cared little and did nothing to keep them safe.
In short the early Disney classics held few actual values to be learned apart from cluing children into the reality that society will actively seek ways to exploit others for any reason possible.
I am Glad the Disney franchise is slowly learning... :-)
I doubt anyone remembers, but there was a live action TV special featuring Danny Kaye as Carlo Collodi/Geppetto and Carlo's daughter, Sandy Duncan(?) as Pinocchio, and it was wonderful. In the show, Carlo was head of a struggling troop of actors and he wrote Pinocchio as his ticket to being a success, while his daughter wanted to go away to school (a famous Italian University) to study...he wanted her to stay at least long enough to make the troop a success...she stays and plays the part, and the show makes enough money to set the player up for a while, so at the end Dad Carlo lets her go...Danny Kaye sells it and the whole play really works. Don't know how the other live action shows did...last time it was a live action movie called "Geppetto" with Drew Carey in the title role and I think the middle son from Home Improvement was the talking wooden boy. I'm not sure if there have been others and not sure that I'll see the new Tom Hanks' version, but we'll see.
I feel like only watching Pinocchio as a kid and then playing Kingdom Hearts prevented me from ever realising how *awful* Jiminy is. He is of *no* help to Pinocchio in terms of being a conscience.
It's to make up for that fact that in the original book the cricket is a fairly blameless creature, and Pinocchio squashes it! At least, that's why I'd change it.
All your conscience can really do is provide intuition or give you gut feelings. You don't have to listen to your conscience
@@melodi2036 Yeah but he didn't *do* any of that. He tried to bail the second Pinocchio got very clearly kidnapped and trafficked, and then still did nothing when he came back
@@JoyfulOrb in a way, he did act a little like Pinocchio's conscience in the book, by coming back as a ghost (repeatedly if I remember correctly) after being killed by him
@@347Jimmy In the original story, he did come back as a ghost and helped him. He told him not to go off with the fox and cat and let him live in a cabin with his father. He also came when he was saved by the fairy. He just criticized him for his bad actions tho.
I won't lie when i say that the donkey transformation scene scared me so much as a kid that it made me develop a fear of donkey's in real life and i honestly didn't get over that fear until i was in my late teens.
Imagine you as a child seeing Pinocchio, you go see Shrek and then you came with a theory that the reason that Donkey can talk is because he was a human
it made me scared of Cigars! still haven't smoked one!
Brought to you by “Disney’s live action “Pinocchio remake” now streaming only on Disney + but to be honest there’s too many Pinocchio films out in the world that I can count so why Pinocchio is popular ? Cause of jimmy cricket’s popular Disney theme so when you wish upon a star... you know the rest
Oof
It's because of that stpuid remake
0:21 Undeserved sin since Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan were not "previous" films, they didn't hit theaters until over a decade after this one.
I rewatched this movie a couple weeks ago and made a post about how Gepetto should have taken, like, a day to teach Pinocchio ANYTHING about being alive/being human before sending him off to school, so I appreciate that also being your takeaway.
The Blue Fairy probably only granted Geppetto's wish because Geppetto had the world's largest pillow that ultimately resulted in making it extremely difficult for the Tooth Fairy to find his tooth under said pillow thereby making up for that time both the Tooth Fairy and the Blue Fairy were enjoying a meal at a local Red Lobster (Inn) and the Tooth Fairy pulled on the Blue Fairy's strings by selfishly eating the last Cheddar Bay Biscuit.
Oh dear, insert some punctuation, please!
This... is.... perfect.....
Good eyes there smart guy 0:20
@@ANIMATIONLOVERBT there’s a period at the end of the paragraph
@@sud1881 and nothing else
That wasn't a chair, it was a stool and a bench vise. Animators' attention to detail is spot-on.
Paused to come to the comments because that is obviously a vise. Pleased to be your 69th like.
I came to the comments to say exactly the same thing. Well done.
But to be fair, where the stoll is placed, the vise looks like it is the back of the stool, making the stool a chair.
Wow... I'm honestly surprised you didn't bring up the spanking toy. When the toys went crazy, THAT ONE went REAL crazy. o_o Hurt my butt to watch every time I saw the movie. 😵💫
11:54 Some people still don't get that Pleasure Island is cursed and the Coachman is a Demon. 😈
He has four fingers too so I believe you.
The boys turning into donkeys really scarred me for life as a child, and it's still a little unsettling to this very day!
And there's a theory that Eeyore is one of them.
@@christianparrish3292 How would that theory work? Eeyore is a plush donkey. The kids were turned into actual donkeys.
@@HarmonyBunny would be great at cinemasins
@@HarmonyBunny well that's what I heard
All the more reason to believe boys grow up to be jackasses lol jk.... only my husband! 🤣🤣
6:23 a sin was missed. If you look carefully at Pinocchio’s eyes, his irises are missing and suddenly he only has pupils.
I didn't realize this movie was that old. So when I first saw this as a 4/5 year old it was already almost half a century old. As a kid I never put thought into how old the movie might be. Alot of the actors were born in the 1800's. I don't recall ever meeting anyone born in that year.
Pinocchio was released in 1940. Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland weren't released until 1953 and 1951. So the books on the shelf were more of a teaser, more than a decade in advance. Walt and the studio were probably already working on them in 1940 but were likely delayed by a lack of money during the war.
People that go "Pinocchio was darker than you remember" really underestimate how the Donkey transforation scene lives rent free in my head.
And people wonder why the old Disney generation is so fucked up.
Because you are unwilling to accept that you were conned by ideology.
I saw this as a kid and wasn't traumatized at all 🤷🏻♂️ I don't think I'm special
@Igorowan legit!!! It still terrifies the sh!t out of me and I’m in my late twenties
I think the reason Blue Fairy did what she did was to improve all three characters: make Geppetto less of his head on the clouds, make Jiminy care about someone else, and Pinocchio to be a good boy.
And for the most part, she failed
I think the reason Blue Fairy did what she did was to troll all three characters...
I can concede that Geppetto needed grounding and the cricket was already morally ambiguous.
But Pinocchio was made exactly as the blue fairy intended, she gave the puppet enough knowledge to speak, but beyond that she gave no wisdom or any real guidance.
Then before Pinocchio know it he is out in the world unprotected and at the mercy of people he has no natural instinct to avoid.
Yet when he is led astray it is Pinocchio that is a bad boy in need of a lesson...
Children are not born with the knowledge of right and wrong or even how to talk it is up to the parents to teach this and in the case of the story it was the Blue fairy that was in charge of Pinocchio's creation/starting mental capacity.
Also the other children who were snatched off the streets had no parental supervision, and there certainly was not confrontation between concerned parents and the evil child snatcher. The movie even ends with no hope for the abandoned children, yet the viewer is expected to accept this because the children were "bad".
Luckily newer Disney stories give greater importance to the community that raises a child and how it is a group effort to teach children the life lessons needed to be a good person.
@@flackstar007 I can't assume for the other parents. The kids probably ran away from home. Plus this movie is from the 40s (setting looks even older) so missing children were harder to track. I think in that case it was more of how Pinocchio being innocent, Jiminy, or something was able to turn his life around while others can go so far out there that it's NEARLY (not completely) impossible to come back and return like the boys becoming fully donkey and enslaved to the temptations and lifestyle and path they went down, unbeknownst to others or recognizable because they look like regular donkeys. It's kind of a wakeup call to young people to be careful what path they take because it can he very hard to get out of it depending how deep in it you go. Movie isn't a perfect concept but has the right idea: stay in school, listen to your conscience which may not be perfect since we aren't perfect but has the right idea, listen to your parents (again they're not perfect but have the right idea of guidance) and don't fall into chaos.
@@priscillajimenez27 The movie is based on a 19th century novel and presumably taking place then.
One thing I will say about Pinocchio becoming a real donkey is that, in the original book, he did transform into a full donkey, like Lampwick (Candlewick, or Lucignolo--his real name being Romeo--in the book). He was eventually sold to a drummer who wanted to use his hide to make a new drum, so he tied a rock to Pinocchio and threw him into the ocean.
When the drummer came back the next day to retrieve what he thought would be a dead donkey, he found Pinocchio transformed back into a puppet. Pinocchio explained that a school of fish swam by and ate away at his donkey flesh, turning him back into a puppet. So, in a sense, Pinocchio was still a puppet underneath his donkey form. He just needed to have his donkey skin removed in order to turn back into a puppet. So being part wooden puppet, part real donkey makes sense here.
What should be counted as a Cinema Sin should be us not knowing exactly what happened to Lampwick. In the book, he was sold to a farmer who literally worked him to death, and he died of exhaustion soon after Pinocchio encountered him on the farm and offered to do the chores in Lampwick's stead. His fate was left unknown in the Disney version.
However, I did once read a fanfic where Lampwick stayed as a donkey, but unlike the book, the farmer he was sold to treated him kindly. He even had a happier ending, where he got to go back to his family and stay with them, albeit as a donkey. He could even talk like a human again. Knowing Disney, they would go the happier route like that fanfic did, and give Lampwick a happy ending, unlike his terrible fate in the original book.
13:27 is a deliberate joke that is a mashup of two expressions that were popular at the time. The joke is that Jiminy mixes them up. The first is "You buttered your bread, now eat it." The second is "You made your bed, now sleep in it."
I’m surprised that he didn’t give a sin or took a sin away for how horrific the donkey transformation scene is
I was ready to look away, just in case.
probably couldnt decide if it was great or sinful
@@suemccashland "...yes, have some."-Louis Tully, "Ghostbusters"
This movie was nightmare fuel to me as a child! The part when the kid screams for his mom while turning into a jackass is still scorched into my memory and I haven't watch it in ~35 years.
donkey?
@@Hoplasa Jiminy says, "go on, make a jackass outta yourself!" So...
@@johnnygrind77 you must know the difference? try to google the two words :)
@@Hoplasa Yes, he says jackass meaning a stupid person, but then they literally turn into donkeys, which is ALSO called a jackass. I don't know what point you're trying to prove here.
@Johnny D same - im terrified as I watch this video
Did Geppetto even tell him the number one basic rule of being a kid: DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS 😂😂😂
This movie terrified my children and I was a bit mortified as well
"I'll tell his father. No, that would be snitching."
Even back in the 40's, snitches get stitches.
Given the proximity to the 20s you could say - ESPECIALLY back in the 40s snitches get stitches.
@@Danrarbc but we're in the '20s right now...
Gear, you have a pretty good taste in your subscriptions. I love Bakugan.
Don’t know why Jiminy thought of it as ‘snitching’, when Geppetto would have known where Pinocchio was (and think of everything bad it would have prevented).
16:48 Robot Chicken did tackle on that issue with Pinocchio having no immune system when becoming a real boy and suffered a lot of problems as a result.
The fairy may have solved that
In the book too he had a fever once
Well because MAGIC!
I was not expecting the "Taste the Rainbow!" At the end there lmao
There's a cricket currently in my house. He's in the basement but I can hear him upstairs. And he won't SHUT UP. So, while I never got that joke in the movie before, I've also never related to it more.
Okay, I know that the whale shouldn't roar BUT MONSTRO IS STILL BLOODY TERRIFYING!!
He's so big they've coloured him like he's part of the background, and those couple minutes of the heroes trying to escape him are some of the scariest Classic Disney ever managed.
His insides in Kindgom Hearts are just flat out weird and nauseating
Something I never thought about as a kid but realized later is that none of the villains get any kind of comeuppance. (except maybe monstro I don’t really remember) I hardly care about the other guys but the thought of the pleasure island guy completely getting away with his horrid crimes and presumably continuing them for years is horrifying.
I wonder if Pinocchio would try to turn him in or if anyone would believe him
(Yes I know people irl don’t always get comeuppance I’m Only talking about the realm of childrens media in which they usually do. Please stop commenting about it)
Yup. Film Theory have a video on this topic!
In MANY old movies, the villains don't get 'comeuppance'... because, since the beginning of TIME, 'bad-guys' routinely win in REAL life, and everyone accepted and understood this fact. It was only in the last 50 years that hollywood invented the bad-guy-loses lie (as well as the true-love lie) to sell movies to children and child-like-intelligence audiences. I'm not joking. Watch almost anything made before the 80's and you'll see what I mean.
Agreed, and the magical blue bird seems likely to be connected with the blue fairy.
So while Geppetto gets special treatment and is saved via informing the puppet and cricket the townsfolk are never informed of their missing children.
Also the kid snatcher is likely to be magical himself having at least the knowledge of how to turn kids into animals.
The ends result is that even those that represent everything good are in on the evil of others and are on many levels complicit.
PS: traditionally there seems to be a ongoing theme that good and bad require each other to have value so work together in unspoken cahoots to better control the masses :-)
It's actually worse in the new film. Characters apparently know what Pleasure Island is and are horrified to learn Pinocchio went there. But NO ONE still does anything about it lol.
Yeah, nobody would believe him... I mean kids turning into donkies. That isn't normal. We know because of the characters reactions.
This was my dad's favourite Disney movie, animation wise. He worked for Hanna-Barbera, Pink Floyd and Richard Williams among quite a lot of other things.
I think it's pretty highly regarded among professional animators. The colour design throughout and whole scale of the water sequence ending.
I was so disturbed by the donkey scene when I was a child.. now im disturbed due to the hidden connotations such as, kidnappers takings kids for their "Pleasure Island" 😳
I’m also still disturbed by it and I’m in my late twenties 😭
I used to watch a Pinocchio tv series where he actually turns into That Animal (I’m this disturbed that I can’t even say or write its name) and this is what scarred me for life (I don’t think I ever watched the full Disney film, just the horror part to see how it differs from the tv show)
For some reason, this cartoon terrified me as a kid 😩😩. There was just something sad and eerie about it
There's a very simple and logical reason. It *IS* terrifying. lol
I think we can all guess the reason...
I’m glad that I wasnt the only one terrified from the donkey scene.
This is a horror movie.
This movie uses a lot of symbolism. Geppetto is the archetypical benevolent father. Wishing upon a star is orienting yourself to strive for the highest perceivable goal, and what higher goal could a parent want then for their child to become an autonomous person instead of a puppet? Jiminy Cricket is inept because nobody's conscience is perfect from the start, it must be developed as well. Pinocchio is sent to school immediately because an education is mandatory to avoid being a puppet for the rest of your life. Pinocchio is tempted by a shortcut that skips the education and goes straight to success, but this allows others to trap him, using him for their own goals and turn him into even more of a puppet then he was at the beginning of the movie. He's tempted again by the fox with an appeal to consider himself a victim and to use that as an excuse to pursue hedonistic and impulsive pleasure. This ends up with the youth turning into literal braying jackasses that are easily enslaved by malicious individuals for the rest of their lives. It's good that this scene caused so many people to feel afraid because the real life equivalent is much more terrifying. So Pinocchio begins to transform but his conscience actually intervenes and helps him escape. However his actions caused him to lose sight of who he is and where he came from, so he cannot go back to the way things were. He must incorporate the benevolent father back into his life but, in order to do so, he must face his fire-breathing dragon. He has to confront all of his flaws, inadequacies and weaknesses. This can be a terrifying and painful process as part of you must die to do it, and there's the real possibility that you could fail and everything about you could die, but because he succeeded he has reintegrated his father and becomes an autonomous person.
Hope that answered some of your questions :)
Geppetto's negligence would be a pretty cool band name
That should say "Product placement for your own FUTURE films"
Pinocchio - 1940
Alice in Wonderland - 1951
Peter Pan - 1953
Always pleased when you cover older movies, not just the newest stuff out! Hope to see a few more sometime soon! A Hitchcock film would be a first-rate choice... "Psycho", maybe.
Good idea. Until that happens, there's another channel that's got a good one; Psycho Explained for Millennials.
There's a new version of Pinocchio coming out, so it's not all that surprising.
No, they should leave that classic alone.
@@snowangelnc Some good stuff there! Thanks for the tip!
@@LowRoads No movie is without sin.
you have completely decimated 98.7% of my childhood movies, but i love it. keep up the creatively and stay funny!
As much as I appreciate Pinocchio, I am very furious about the fact that none of the antagonists get any punishment at the end. No antagonist should ever be as heinous as they are without receiving karma at full force
I dunno, I think that just makes the movie feel more realistic. I understand it's not as satisfying in a narrative sense when your villains don't get their comeuppance in the end, but horrible people get away with doing terrible things all the time irl and are never punished for it. Hell, half the time it seems the more awful they are the more they're rewarded. And since Pinocchio is more a series of cautionary tales about the dangers and temptations of the world than a modern kid's film where evil is always defeated, it makes sense that the bad guys pretty much get away with everything.
Technically, Pinocchio as a Disney movie came out _way_ before Alice. Pinocchio is actually the second feature-length movie to come out of Walt Disney studios (a slot often confused for Bambi, which was actually fifth) and Alice came along eleven years later.
Bambi came out in 1942, I think. Alice in Wonderland at the same year. Dumbo was in 1941.
@@jakubn3809 Alice was released in 1951. There are 10 other feature-length Disney movies between Pinocchio and Alice.
6:15 Are we going to ignore the spanking clock? 😂
Recently watching this movie as an adult, I realize how absent Jiminy Cricket is throughout almost the entire film. Like at most he has like 5 minutes screentime in the whole movie. Hes always getting stuck somewhere or gets lost and I'm just like "you don't even deserve that badge. You failed your job like 4 times in a row. You're a shitty conscious and an even worse tour guide"
Not a single sin removed from this all time classic movie? Perhaps the greatest Disney movie ever. The gorgeous animation alone deserves 10 sins off.
Cinemasins don't care enough to give this movie sins off for its brilliance.
@@alitafullarmor5957 Depressing, isn't it? Talking about the pink and purple umbrella. This was meticulously drawn by hand over 80 years ago. Oh my gosh! The continuity of the color of the umbrella doesn't match from scene to scene. Call 60 Minutes. There's movies that were made yesterday that have way more issues than Pinocchio. Give me a break.
He does accidentally discharge the blunderbuss, and Honest John isn't a cat. He's a sly fox
But his friend Giddy is a cat
@@RobertJRoman Yep, which makes it that much more weird he thinks John is a cat. Long dog nose and a fox tail, I just can't picture cat. Character alone is fox like
Also, who keeps a freaking *blunderbuss* fully loaded and ready to fire under their pillow, on which you also smoke? It’s incredibly dangerous!
@@hunam1464 Gotta keep that powder dry
So in the book version of the story cricketboy is totally killed with a hammer. So movie version must be his ghost retelling the story in a happier way. No need to admit that one has been murdered and is a ghost.
Actually, in the book he is shown recovered in the last chapters after having been squished at the start. The book was written by a drunk who made it up as he went along.
5:57 Next level Grandpa
Since I watched the new remake last night, I decided to watch this to confirm that the remake makes infinitely more sense than the original. That said I truly want you to sin it because watching a fish bowl full of water float ON TOP of the water in the middle of the most emotional scene of the movie really threw me through a loop. On the plus side Pinocchios donkey ears and tail are made of wood
That whole pleasure Island scene scarred me as a kid. And noone else in my friend group remembers it😭
That was a Dr. Moreau Island, if there ever was one. Chris Hansen would've had a second career on the island alone.🙃
@cool vids it still scares me, which is why it took me until now to watch this sin video 😭
Watching these videos always make me feel smart for some reason
4:20 They're Froot Loops not Fruit Loops. *Ding!*
14:30 Maybe the Blue Fairy practiced on ships before giving life to a wooden boy. 😆
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who gets freaked out every time the coachman's evil face shows up on-screen.
That Face Shows That He Is The Literal DEVIL
CinemaSins really didn’t sin this before? Fascinating.
They only do something when it becomes relevant and will get them views. Like say, Disney releases the live action remake straight to Disney +
Cracked did. Dan O'Brien did an episode of Obsessive Pop Culture Disorder several years ago that was incredibly funny.
Pretty sure there's still quite a few disney movies they have not sinned yet. The sword in the stone, Frank and Frey, The black cauldron, Fantasia, the Resquers and I am not sure but I believe they have not done Snowwhite yet either.
He was waiting for that totally unnecessary "live-action" remake to happen. You know? Timing.
@@nmappraiser9926
Geppettophile is one of the best lines ever
11:51 I just f***ing died of laughter.
That Back to the Future audio outtake is gold. 👏🏻
for the many sins the umbrella got, it is hard to believe they didn’t notice that it changes color bc of the magic of the fairy. When it was old it was purple, the magic then turns it red and the start of the narration is after the whole story so there is no inconsistency there. a sin for cinemasins!
How dare you sin classic Pinocchio, Cinema Sins! *Ding!*
Cinema Sins sins the even the best of movies.
@@animechic420 especially Lord of the Rings
7:15, I know that CinemaSins doesn’t discuss source material but in the book upon which this movie is based, Geppetto sold his only cost to buy Pinocchio an ABC book for him to learn the alphabet but on the way to school Pinocchio sold the same book for a ticket to the circus and then went there instead of school. (The narrator calls him out for it.)
9:26 This reminds me of Ming's double-jointed elbow in _Turning Red_ .
When it was pink "earlier"?
Maybe so for the film, but in the actual narrative, that purple umbrella must've been an old, used one. Completely different than the one he has when the movie begins. Maybe it actually WAS pink, but the color faded and darkened from dirt/use and it now looks purple. It's like "Why is he wearing different clothes when he had a nice suit in the beginning?! :0"
But I guess this is CinemaSins, so whatever.
[Edit: OMG YOU CAN EVEN SEE THE UMBRELLA CHANGING TO PINK WHEN HE BECOMES HIS CONSCIENCE. AAAAAAH]
The Purple Umbrella was from before he became Pinocchio's conscience. The Pink Umbrella was after...
@@davidlewis5189 Right?! Like *bruh*
@@luislebronaponte2737 Some of these Sins are just needless whining
@@davidlewis5189 Indeed. 🤷🏻♂️
@@davidlewis5189: Wlcome to CinemaSins.
Today I learned the theory that Donkey in Shrek is one of those boys that was turned into a Donkey. Puts a deeply disturbing spin on the franchise that I may never recover from.
That explains why he talks, THAT EXPLAINS WHY HE TALKS!
... Giving Pinocchio himself is in the movie, this makes too much sense oo
Great video. Always get a good laugh from your takes.
Sin 55 in particular.... He gives a puppet made out of wood (a murdered tree basically) a book made from a murdered tree🤔
Disney dreams running on nightmare fuel🤣😅
16:30 Jeremy hasn't heard of bereavement hallucinations.
In a lit class in high school, my teacher said anytime a character's initials are JC they represent Jesus Christ. So I thought of Jiminy Cricket...and he was the conscious. So I wrote a paper about that, and all the "religious symbolism" in Pinocchio. But watching this video...I did not remember Jiminy being horny for wooden puppets...my Jesus symbolism does not hold up!
JC also stands for John Cena and Johnny Cage.
The character of Jesus is supposed to be a carpenter, so he could make sexy wooden dolls to satisfy his fetish. Your logic stands.
@@christianparrish3292 dont forget Johnny Cash
Well, Jesus was a carpenter, right? That's something.
"Jiminy Crickets" used to be a common euphemism for "Jesus Christ" even before this movie came out.
I ways just thought it was the island that is cursed and staying on it long enough changed you, but then again I hated that part of the show as a kid so much that I would go to bed before watching the Friday movie night which was the only time I for to watch TV, and the cat and fox never felt so strange, I always thought they were cursed so less people trusted them, but when rewatching it, I was even more confused because they glossed over it completely like it was just completely normal.
4:40 Nice Vocals bro XD
All I remember from this movie as a small child is the kid donkeys with cigars and the huge ominous terror that as a child I couldn't identify but as an adult I now realize was the fear of death or never seeing my parents again, being taken and changed and lost forever, things I never had concepts of. THIS MOVIE IS SCARY.
Also Pinocchio is SO UGLY and CREEPY when he becomes a real boy and I remember being upset and uncomfortable with it but not knowing why. It's because he becomes UGLY and CREEPY and NOT the character we've been looking at the whole time.
I recall as a kid saying Pinocchio looked better as a puppet, and the Blue Fairy should have just kept Pinocchio as he was.
You're questioning all of that about Pinocchio "dying" after out-swimming a whale and not the most important part: WHY DID HE DROWN IN THE FIRST PLACE?! They seriously just established he could breathe underwater, so unless the uncut version showed him being like ripped in half or something (even though he's still wood) it doesn't make any sense!!!
He was broken by slamming into the rocks, is a common headcanon.
@@jonathanmarkoff4469 in that case it makes even less sense here- if they made him a real boy you wouldn't be dealing with a real boy, you'd be dealing with a real boy who's still dead as a.result XP
Maybe his wooden body got water clogged? Being swallowed by the whale and in it's stomach might have meant the protective coating got damaged, so when they were out of the whale and back in the ocean, his wooden body got too water damaged to move or speak until he dried out some and everyone just assumed he died? That'd be my guess but I never watched Pinocchio so who knows.
@@Renni_Jay I could see that, prob is a number of times Pinocchio opened his mouth while underwater, not to mention the completely exposed joints, so I think he would've filled with water long before then :/
including this movie, there are at least 3 Disney properties where a 'Gideon' is an antagonist. ( the other 2 are Zootopia and Gravity Falls )
OUAT Once Upon a Time.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
One of the best videos ever!
Thank you. 🙏🏻
If sins were lies his nose would be super long!
In the version starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas as Pinocchio it’s explained that the boys are turned into donkeys after drinking magic water from a roller coaster and Pinocchio’s ears are made of wood and actually get broken off.
My son is obsessed with pinocchio. I am so happy its becoming popular so my sanity can be saved with some cinemasins
3:37-3:39 Jiminy Cricket is the literal Authority Figure on Disney Sins.
And we all know the real sin is the fact that Coachman got off scot free despite the atrocities he committed.
in my headcanon one of the donkey-boys kicked his nuts off and he died of exsanguination over a period of 37 hours
Edit: the coachman, I mean
You guys ever hear the fan theory that Donkey from Shrek is actually one of the bad kids from Pinocchio that got turned into a donkey?
I did. And it actually makes sense too.
It would also explain why Donkey talks so much, because it´s the only thing he has left of his human side.
Dark af
That doesn’t make any sense since Shrek is set during medieval times and Pinocchio is set in the 40s
@@princessarwen9194 Pinocchio exists in Shrek.
@@Claubuza he’s talking about him being from this movie so idk what the problem is 🤷♀️
The original Pinocchio story was crazy. Of course once Disney get their hands on a fairytail it's never the same again. They disneyfy these fairy tales up. Many are unaware just how violent and sinister the original story is.
You mean to tell me, THE ORIGINAL IS WORSE?!
@@therealopaartist Pleasure Island is called pleasure island for a whole different reason
The reason I subscribed to Jon Solo. Plus Disney movies being creepy as is makes the original story even darker.
@@Boots_Alexander I remember finding a copy of the Grimms Fairy Tales as a kid AND NOT A SINGLE ADULT WARNED THE NINE YEAR OLD ME that it may be a SMIDGE DIFFERENT than Disney?!
@@therealopaartist my sense of humor is slightly morbid. And I used to read a lot of children's books that had all kinds of themes. So Grimm was AWESOME for me!!!
I'm super happy about the live-action (hopefully it's good) since my sister was obsessed with this movie when we were younger. Nice vid, Cinema!
Woah! Haven't watch a CinemaSins video in a long time, and honestly, I wouldn't of have asked for a better "welcome back" from another opening like this one.
See, Jeremy gets it: there are stuff that needs to be fixed in a remake. Take the plan to get out of Monstro: "we use smoke to make him sneeze". How did you arrive to this conclusion? From smoking and coffing a TINY cloud of smoke? But he says "Sneeze", meaning he wasn't planning on making Monstro coffing, but sneeze. WHERE DID YOU LEARNED THAT SMOKE MAKES YOU SNEEZE?
I first saw this movie when I was six, and it was already decades old. My favorite part was always the puppet show. The jackass transformation was pretty insane though. And don’t go too hard on Jiminy at 4:57. I fell in love with her as a child too.
My favourite Pinocchio scene was Monstro the Whale. Too bad Disney made him look like something out of Star Wars or Harry Potter in the remake .
@@LazyOldFusspot_3428 Yeah, in the remake he has bulging eyes that I can't take seriously and he looks like an amalgamation of several different sea creatures, which sounds cool on paper but in practice he just looks strange. XD
"Prove yourself brave, truthful, and unselfish, and someday you'll be a real boy."
But she didn't say anything about being undonkified.
Maybe the process of transforming him into a real boy disregards whatever form he's currently in. Puppet, donkey-puppet, whatever. Depends how she coded the spell.
7:44 , Fox is not a cat, however it is dog hardware running cat software.