how to install a floyd rose locking nut on fender neck
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- in this video i teach you how to install a floyd rose locking nut on a fender stratocaster neck.
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Thank you Will, for passing on your knowledge. I'm sure it comes from the trial and error of doing it numerous times. Also, Passing it on for free is much appreciated because you have no obligation to do it. Very cool.
Excellent tip on using the radius block as a guide! I got mine all strung up and realized I still needed to shave off another hair. Thanks man!
My radius blocks are dual sided so i can't use them😓
Loved the comments about doing certain things when Drunk. All been here, and I feel ya on that!
I dont know what up with u these days. Of course. But, i love your attitude. The bit where u were working and talking on a side note, about drinking the previous night. I was laughing my ass off. Love it man. You seem like you have found a little inner peace. For the now. Hopefully it lasts awhile or forever for you. It nevet lasts long enuff for me. Have a good one man.
These are the best luthier videos one can find on youtube. And yeah, we all talk shit from time to time. I'm not here for the talking, i'm here for the skill.
Brilliant tutorial. Gonna do this to my strat. Thnx subscribed!
I lowered a locking nut on an inexpensive Jackson. It was good to hear you say you could always shim it if you went too far ...... I went too far. LMAO I made my shim from a thin piece of maple. Live and learn.
I'm doing that to mine but before I use a router I'm going to lightly sand it till I get it right and avoid the shim.
Sometimes we say stupid things when drunk, and sometimes we wake up paranoid we said or did something dumber than we actually did. Don’t sweat it, appreciate the content
Will Gelvin is to luthiery as Bob Ross is to painting
agreed...
Yeehaaa! Yeeehaaaa!!! YEEEEEHAAAA!!! Mr. Gelvin, welcome back! I've missed you sooo much, so I can't express how I'm happy seeing you around! Will is back! Will is back! Will is back!
This video answered one of the hardest things I've tried to research....what Floyd Rose nut fits a Fender 1.650 width neck (ala MIM Strat)? Answer: The R3 with narrow string spacing. And it looks to be a perfect fit on the MIM neck. No obvious overhang right or left, which is what matters. The overhang towards the tuners is just fine.
I don't have milling tool so I will use simple hand file. Pray for me :)
Howd it go?
@@CrowClouds the project still waiting
@@jazu40 Oh no!
@@jazu40 any updates yet?
a used router can be purchased for the price of a set of files. get the proper tool for the job
I love this channel, warts and all. I am so happy youre still giving us great content. I bought your tutorial series a while back and it would be impossible to regret it...unless it funded terrorism but...nah youre cool.
Eddie is my biggest inspiration when it comes to guitar playing, so really want to have a Floyd soon. Eddie and Randy will always be top 2!!!!
Don’t forget Brad
And dimebag
I am sure you can do guitar work and install the nut as well or better than Eddie the hack guitar builder.
Interesting that I found that mounting the Locking nut beHIND the existing nut and using the bar works just as well as replacing the nut. As long as like you said, the string in the locking nut stays parallel, it works perfectly without disfiguring my guitar!
LOL, a lil overhang from the night before huh... We've all been there a time or 3... Great job on nut mount.
I was at that show. VH in San Antonio, Texas. Great show.
'This wonderful high-quality plastic nut...'
'Chisel in the hand may be quite continental,
But a razor is a luthier's best friend!
A router may be grand, but it won't be the ruler...'
TH-cam, BY THE POWER OF SPACE UNICORNS, I COMMAND YOU TO SUPPORT THIS MAN!!!
that guitar was so much cooler of a color than I was expecting haha
It needs huge experience to do that routing! thumbs up man!
I might buy a guitar neck from Guitar Fetish. They have it pre routed for a 42mm nut. I want to use a Gotoh tremolo and was hoping to have a matching nut, but Gotoh makes their nuts in 41mm and 43mm.
I started a project with a lot of assumptions and not knowing a lot of details. Ended up with a 10" radius locking nut. A 12" radius fretboard and a 14" radius bridge trem.
The assumption was it was all 12" Radius. Turned out it was all 14" radius. 1988 Casio PG 380 synth guitar (high end strat) with all Gotoh hardware.
Not sure that a 10" - 14" makes that much difference BUT it is all wrong in my mind. Has taken me a long time learning what the differences are in the hardware.
Found out the floyd nuts are all 10" radius now when at one time the R3 was a 12". The Gotoh is 14" radius. The Floyd bridges come as a 10" radius BUT have a removable shim to make it a 12" the Gotoh is a 14" etc......Getting there (I think?) In redoing the neck with a new fret board the head stock end is narrower now so looking to do a R2 style nut with tighter string spacing from the R3 type BUT is still a 10" radius. Already put the 12" radius on the board feel like it is too late to change back to the 14"...
thank you so much. i was just gonna hit my guitar with a hammer before i saw this
I will be installing a locking nut and Floyd on the neck thru Strat soon. I REALLY appreciate this video!
Thanks Will, great video once again, very helpful, Cheers
It’s time for a drop in replacement locking nut. Machinists of the world, answer our call, please! These huge 80s things are such an eyesore IMO.
Awesome! Thanks for this, I have a cheap strat I’m planning on installing an even cheaper Floyd for.
Mark Tiongco if you do use a cheap licensed Floyd and find it keeps going out tune, try wrapping some plumbers tape around the thread of the pivot screws. The original FR pivot screws have a much finer thread than the cheap ones, and I noticed that the extra play in this thread can cause the trem to go out of tune very easily. Better yet, buy the original FR trem screws and body posts to mount the cheap FR on to.
WAY better than Phillip McDouche errr, I mean McKnight.
This is as soothing as watching Bob Ross paint, only fixing guitars
I subscribed and rang the bell to ALL because of your humor and good info. Ive had my (very first electric) squier hardtail stratocaster taken apart for over a year now. Its torn down to each individual part and tagged so i dont forget each part. I planned on painting it, and putting a floyd rose on it because i was forced to sell my Ibanez JEM with a FR bridge at a pawnshop and was ROBBED. but i got busy with life and fixing/setting up friends and family member's instruments. I just finished resetting a neck on my brother-in-law's acoustic guitar that had been broken and the bridge had lifted... and that was A BITCH.... anyways, i think i want to put some time and money into my little Squier. I have super expensive guitars and i have Chinese guitars, but sometimes its all about the way it feels, and sound. With this specific Squier it has so many memories and scars on it. I actually had it with me when i nearly died with my brother in a very bad car wreck and all 3 of us somehow came out with just some stuff cut and broken.. Lol. I cant even express the sentimental value it holds.
Im going to be doing this to that Squier. I already have 2 hand spun hotrails and a expensive humbucker that im gunna solder in. I just need to find the right locking nut and Floyd Rose for what im trying to do... im still not sure how im going to route the hole for the tremolo. I dont own a router but i do have access to one... i just feel like im maybe too many beers deep and im biting off more than i can chew. Lol.... maybe i should just paint the fucker, solder the pickups, and just put it back together....
One of the tuners is broken? I think that you would been more comfortable removing them before doing this work. Nice video!
Loads of useful info - thank you so much. And something back for you. If you need to change the angle that the router travels, you don't need paper shims. Just move the radius block over a little in the direction you want to be lower. It moves along the circumference and tilts automatically.
Very useful. Thank you.
I have that same shirt and I was wearing it while watching this
hey thanks dude!! really helpfull stuff!!
THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!! REEALLY needed this info!! SUPER HELPFUL!!!!
Nicely done.
thanks for this video, waiting for my locking nut, worked on my neck too using only chisel, sandpaper pretty works too.
I remember you talking about some health problems about a year ago... how is it going?
I've changed my alimentation, stopped with milk and most of dairy products. I also avoid carbs the most i can (and i eat lots of good fat, like fat from pig, coconut oil and olive oil). Lost weight, have more energy and i'm healthier than ever. I used to get the flu like 6 times a year and it was really strong. After the changes i spent a whole year without getting the flu, it never happend before.
Look for paleolithic, low carb and ketogenic diets. You'll find out lots and lots of stuff about our health and how better you can get. Most of autoimmune (your case) problems can be solved by changing the things you eat, because they are caused by things we shouldn't eat.
Wanted to comment this before. I aways remember of you when i watch the videos about these things and they talk about autoimmune diseases.
Thanks for the vid. I assume that there is enough room to make a truss rod adjustment? It looks close. Also curious if you rounded off the edges that the new locking nut didn't cover.
gotoh makes nuts that have a space for the truss rod
Are you running the circular base of the router along the top of the radius block? Is the how you are keeping the cut level?
yes
@@WillsEasyGuitar so the top of the block must be level? I noticed when I was, shopping for a block they all seem to have a bit of a curved top. Also I am a 35 year old with MS. It has definitely taken a lot from me.
Question: If the bottom of the Floyd nut is flat why would you route the neck at a radius where the nut is sitting? I'm not a luthier, so I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, just trying to understand it. By the way great video.
I don't think the part of the block that the router was sitting on was radiused.
@@superglou913gomez3 Oooooh you're right. I looked at the video again and realized that the radius is on the bottom of the block that touches the neck. Thanks for clarifying that.
Beautiful guitar dude.
i have a gibson Krammer striker that doesn't have a locking nut on it. i may try this or just put on on that goes behind the nut. i have locking tuners, but they just don't work as well as a locking nut.
So the bar you put on nearest the tuner does the same thing as the guides that usually have some of the high strings routed through to create the downward tension?
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If I´m totally home custom, no fancy tools... Can I use a Metal Sand to drill and to level the neck for the new nut?
PS: Can I use a Locking Nut with a common stratocaster bridge? :)
Would this not move the nut too far forward?
Wouldn't it be easier to drill the string clamp right in rather than making predrilled holes I'd like to know because I'm gonna be doing this
Nice video. I would have used a palm or trim router though. A full sized one would have been a little too unwieldy for me.
Good news, this channel is showing up in my related vids sidebar. TH-cam must be promoting you again!
Bad news is it takes about 5 hours for this channel's vids to show up in my subscriptions page. I've got the bell notifications though even with the bell notifications for this channel turned on.
what's the name of the bit and its size...?...I have a 92 u.s fender floyd rose strat...I sold the neck I didn't like it...small radius...haven't replace it too much for a custom neck...but I'd give this a try...great vid
if you dont have a router, can you just sand/file down the shelf? And also will there be any work required to fit the floyd rose if you want it non recessed
I have the same question.
I sanded mine and it came out somewhat uneven (slight 'hump' in the middle, parallel to the nut length), and I used a small sanding block--I attribute it to a bit of "bounce" when I sanded it. I shimmed it to take out some of the unevenness but I'm probably going to re-do it since I have a router (not a radius so I need to build a small jig or template--pain in the ass, which is why I hand-sanded in the first place).
Re: non-recessed, you mean the bridge right? I think if you don't recess it, it'll ride too high and the action will be too high as well. I've recessed mine (I built one last year) for that reason. Hope this helps.
They should make a thinner locking nut for this purpose, i don't see why we need all that width just to lock the strings
Would you need a tension bar for sustain?
I would love to do this simply for tuning stability, but I can’t get over how bad it looks on a strat.
What did you use to pain the nut? Looks perfect.
I just happened upon your video while watching other luthier videos. Good video, but are you sure you're not Jeff Daniels? I swear you sound just like him!
Want to do this to my OLP MM1 ..Which is a Awesome guitar that Ernie Ball licenced out in the early 2000s as an Axis clone ...these affordable guitars have some great pickups and even better necks...great guitar for the money... My issue is that the but shelf after routing has less room than the fender....being that the locking nut hangs over about an 8th of an inch....it works but I want to be sure for the long haul....my question is .could I add a small piece of maple to extend the shelf to better fit the new locking nut?....by gluing the small piece of maple and contouring it with some sandpaper around a pencil. To match the headstock?..any help would be awesome!!!keep all the awesome vids coming! Love the channel
Are you using floydrose bridge?
Will, I’ve watched a lot of your videos. You’re one of the best on TH-cam! Hope things work out out for you man.
i’m getting a Squier Classic Vibe 50’s Strat Neck, would i have to buy a R2, R3, or R4 nut?
hello, did you do the floyd pool in that start ? does the pool make a difference? , good channel
Yay new videos! That strat is killer. Im a super strat guy all day. Love the older shred guitars. I lol at the live drunken stream side note. Hahahaha
any good videos showing how to reverse this process? I have a locking nut neck that I'd like to restore to original.
In the late 80s I bought a New American Strat with locking nut. I cannot find any American 80s Strat guitar with locking nut? I just want to see a picture to know if U want to go to all this trouble? Thanks, Bob
Did you sell that guitar at some point? I literally have that guitar. Same serial number on the headstock, same bright orange/pink body. Same all black hardware except for the tuning pegs.
I'm laughing at all of my comments on these videos over the years, man I sounded like a know it all asshole on some of them even though it wasn't my intent, just get excited about anything guitar! Will always be a big fan of this channel and keep coming back to these videos they are great references and still fun to watch!
So what do you do about the difference in neck radius? Don’t Fenders have like a 9-1/2” radius’ and a Floyd is like 12”?
I bought an R2D2, but it turned out to not be the Floyd I was looking for.
lol, good one!
@@gfcardi Thank you, thank you. It's hard to get recognition sometimes LOL
Lord have mercy! Install?!!!!??? I can’t set up or tune one of these things. 🤦🏻♂️
I like to wrap a piece of painters tape around my drill bit at the distance I want to drill into the wood. It acts as a guide To keep me from drilling all the way through like you mentioned.
He was talking about a locking nut secured from the back of the neck. In that case you would drill all the way through.
What kills me is I searched the net I got forums and everyone says no you can't put a locking nut on just any guitar you need fine tuners for that WTF I swear the internet has misinformed alot if people I tell you I put one on my dean strat that way I could do string gauge up down and I did not have to reslit or put a new nut in everytime I changes string gauges for down tuning I Shure wish people would use common sense for a change . By the way used this video for reference nice job
What would YOU do if there isn't much land whenever you route down the step? I was doing a FR install into a PRS SE model and there was less than half of the R2 nut making contact on the step. I ended up using wood filler to give me enough land to be able to screw the nut into place, it's not the prettiest of looks, and I'm sure it'll crumble away eventually, but it worked!
Brian Harrison I would think glueing in a block(or strip?) Of wood might be a better choice?
Yikes! Wood filler? Yeah, I bet that looks like hell. Sorry to hear that. I would have made a small wedge.
Thanks for sharing the skills Will.
Is that guitar body gloving in the dark?That can explain why fluorescent pink is orange on the video :D .
I put a Floyd rose on my favorite stratocaster forever as go. It absolutely ruined it. 🤦🏼
How do I know where to drill for my string retainer bar? Are you just putting it in by eye or is there a measurement?
it changes depending on the headstock. there is no set measurement. You want it far enough back as not to make stringing it difficult, but you don't want it to obstruct the truss rod adjustment.
Awesome! Thanks So much for the quick reply. Great video.
Looks like you routed pretty deep under the nut, do you still have enough place to turn the truss rod?
yes,ive done 10 and the truss red is never a prob.
I saw one guy did this to his USA made strat with a standard bridge. LMAO. like bro how do you fine tune that thing.
I ordered a locking nut but it didn't even come with that bar to hold the strings down to the height of the tuning pegs. Should I still try and install it anyways ?
Can this be also done on a squier?
Floyded Fenders are truly "super"-strats. This is a timely vid for me and I will definitely use my radius block to provide a level surface for the base of my router. (I was actually over thinking the problem and was going to build a primitive jig to do the same job!)
Mine is a cheap strat aftermarket neck now "beaked" like an early Pacer. Thanks for the helpful clip.
what is the black lining in the trussrod channel?
Awesome Vid ! Beautiful job ! At my old shop we were doing so many Dave Murray type strats , we had to get a milling machine. Then i had to show everyone how to change end mills.
I would rather pay someone with experience to do this to my guitar. The same way I would want a Doctor to look at my kid as opposed to me haha
Most people are haters they like like people doing better then themselves so they try to bring you down to there level ... But awesome video you teach very well
why do they call them locking NUTS... when there hex bolts???
Thanks! it helped a fuck ton, I replaced my ibanez SA standard trem system and it's amazing to get experience on locking nuts.
But I have a question, I'm making a custom guitar, the problem is that I don't know how long should my truss rod be, the guitar is bloody long, like 33 inches scale length, should I use a standard 22 inch bass truss rod?
I put locknuts on just about all my builds. When dealing with a nut that installs in a slot (Fender style), I just file down the bit at the end with a Shinto saw rasp. Router supported by radius block - WAY OVERKILL ! Probably much harder to control too. Right sized tool for the job - and most carpentry tools are oversized for guitar building. Use a fret pulling guard to check the action at the nut - it's thin enough to fit in a nut slot. I typically mount them so the bottom of the slots are just ( 0.1 mm ) above the fret plane, and the front of the nut is vertical and flush with the end of the fingerboard. String retainers are only required if the break angle behind/above the nut is insufficient. I also don't use screws - I just glue the nut in place with CA glue.
Best video on how to do this on TH-cam. I've got a neck that I need to do this on, and your vid gives me the confidence to know I can pull it off. Thanks!!!
hi, great video. I have a question about Gotoh's locking nuts : my guitar's original locking nut width :42 mm but Gotoh only provide 41 and 43 mm. So, does that meanI can't use the Gotoh?thank you
I like the ryoby disclaimer so you dont get ripped on for using it. Lol.
Man I would have a hard time taking a router to my guitar ....it's so damn final!! But good information to obtain , thanks
Thanks for making and sharing this very helpful and informative video Will.
Wish you all the best and that everything in your life will keep improving after all you went through.
Happy for your channel recovery that will always remain an important pillar of this community.
Great video.! And drinking isn't good for your eyes.. lol.
My eyes hurt, why have a black Floyd with chrome tuners?
Great video, your voice sounds like Jeff Daniels lol
Dose it work the same for a squier
I'm going to buy a really cheap neck along with some radius blocks and try this... I have a strat project and I really don't like that neck so much.. Wouldn't mind doing this to a second hand squire neck or something.