The starter drive pinion has a ONE-WAY clutch in it,or it runs on a helical multiple spline; this one has the splines; either way,it would not spin anything running backwards,by rewiring it,like some suggest on the comments; plus,you'd need heavy wire re-routing and soldering inside the starter, very difficult to do.The mechanical engagement problem alone,makes you rethink the WHOLE project; One could see that J.E. not know much when you had the big plate made,and FORGOT to include the opening for the STARTER! And the electronics on that Edc Tdi are a KILLER also! you'd need a complete pullout with all the wirings,ECU,all the sensors, schematics,accelerator pedal (it's a double potentiometer), airflow meter,(or MAP) sensor,etc,and a lot of knowledge; one possible way around this would be to purchase an older Bosch VE pump,all mechanical; i do some of these projects when i convert small boats(up to 21 ft) from gasoline (petrol) to diesel; (engineer--- i think the word derives from engine).
No, I passed it off to someone else. Ended up doing another build I have right now that is a Dodge Dakota with the NSG370 transmission out of a Jeep Wrangler. I haven't put anything up about it. Maybe I should?
Im thinking about doing a tdi swap into a daihatsu rocky the roadblock i had was compatibility with the tranny. From my understanding of this video to make them adapt i need to use the flywheel from the daihatsus original motor and modify it to the tdis crank and find a bearing that fits the input shaft make the plate and figure out the starter is theyre anything else id have to account for?
Ended up running into a roadblock in my electronic circuitry, and abandoned the project. The whole purpose of the project was to play with electronics, and build my own ECU.
Jonathan Erber awesome!!! Thanks!!! I’m going to mate my tdi alh to a velvet drive for marine use. And need a starter mounted on the block side. It’s awesome it meshes with the vw flywheel
you would change the starter position to the other side of the engine, thats all to achive the right rotation, if that can´t be done, you would either change starter rotation by changing internal coil, or buy another starter...
Switching sides of the motor would not change the direction of rotation. The starter would need to switch from the engine side of the flywheel to the transmission side of the flywheel to effect the change you suggest. Changing internal electronics is not an option due to the mechanical cam that relies on a change in torque direction to disengage. Were I to change the direction of starter rotation, the starter would either not engage, or would never disengage once the engine started. Unfortunately, a different starter was the only option, so I needed to re-design my adapter plate.
Much easier to change the direction of rotation of the started than cutting it all up. Also wonder how the transmission now fits on top of the plate which holds the starter.
The problem with changing the direction of the starter is that if you did that the starter would never disengage. :-/ I sold the project to someone else when I ran into the fuel quantity feedback sensor problem, so I never did finish it up.
+Thomas B Huh. I searched everywhere for a different style or direction of rotation and couldn't find one. My guess is that a VW starter that mounted on the engine side would have ended up having a shallower offset, which wouldn't have worked with my braket anyway. :-/
if the starter is the normal type with powering the solenoid trowing out and engage the gear from the starter you could still operate it , like i said , you need to change the polarity on the leads going to the the electric motor but leave the polarity on the solenoid like it is (not real sure you might need to solder some stuff around inside the electric motor and change the windings mounted to the chassis with the windings mounted to the lead going to the solenoid still think i couldve been done too bad you never finished it
It is not that type of starter. The solenoid doesn't control the engagement of the gear. Gear engagement happens on a spline actuated by rotation of the motor. Reversing polarity would mean that it would never throw the gear forward, and if somehow you got it to engage, it would never disengage after the engine started.
Very informative, I had never considered plexiglass as a way to create a template. I just have never seen someone do it. Very nice. Hello from TX
i'm trying to drop a diesel in my ranger, this vid helped me see what I need to adapt one up. Thanks a lot!
TDI Ranger. "Hand built to extremely tight tolerances"
The starter drive pinion has a ONE-WAY clutch in it,or it runs on a helical multiple spline; this one has the splines; either way,it would not spin anything running backwards,by rewiring it,like some suggest on the comments; plus,you'd need heavy wire re-routing and soldering inside the starter, very difficult to do.The mechanical engagement problem alone,makes you rethink the WHOLE project;
One could see that J.E. not know much when you had the big plate made,and FORGOT to include the opening for the STARTER!
And the electronics on that Edc Tdi are a KILLER also! you'd need a complete pullout with all the wirings,ECU,all the sensors, schematics,accelerator pedal (it's a double potentiometer), airflow meter,(or MAP) sensor,etc,and a lot of knowledge; one possible way around this would be to purchase an older Bosch VE pump,all mechanical; i do some of these projects when i convert small boats(up to 21 ft) from gasoline (petrol) to diesel;
(engineer--- i think the word derives from engine).
Wondering, did you finish your project with this tdi motor to the ford transmission? I’m looking to do the same.
No, I passed it off to someone else. Ended up doing another build I have right now that is a Dodge Dakota with the NSG370 transmission out of a Jeep Wrangler. I haven't put anything up about it. Maybe I should?
*waits for part 3 3 years later*
he said it was abandoned because the ecu wiring was too dificult
Is there an update on this build? I`m looking at putting a TDI in a 1988 Ranger
you shouldve been able to reverse polarity on the startermotor itself (leace the solenoid as it s )
watahyahknow That's what everyone keeps saying. See my other responses for why that wouldn't work.
spiral cut is wrong direction for that
how thick did your adapter end up being?
My question is if the starter fit with the transmission even through you didn't utilize the starter well in the bellhousing.
Hey man! Found your vid you can swap a 4bt manual vp pump swap no ecu/ecm needed you can/could still do this!
I read that a land rover pump works also
did you ever put the tdi in the ranger? I don't see another video for this??
sadness that you abandoned the project. how much did it cost for the machine shop to make that plate? what did the guy at diesel conversions want?
Hey wow that transmission pattern is lot bigger than the engine bolt pattern! Correct?
Latah county. Yeah baby.
Jacob Bokma 1L
Could you possibly send me a copy of that template?
Im thinking about doing a tdi swap into a daihatsu rocky the roadblock i had was compatibility with the tranny. From my understanding of this video to make them adapt i need to use the flywheel from the daihatsus original motor and modify it to the tdis crank and find a bearing that fits the input shaft make the plate and figure out the starter is theyre anything else id have to account for?
go to Acmeadapters.com and use a Suzuki samurai or sidekick/Vitara transmission
How much would that plate cost to have done
Ah MAN! My hears SANK when you said all that elegant starter adapter work wasn't going to work! Glad you got it figured out! What starter did you use?
Nevermind. I rewatched that part, you used the stock Ranger starter. Cool.
How much runout did you end up with?
So did u ever finished this
Where is video 3
What happened to part 3?
Ended up running into a roadblock in my electronic circuitry, and abandoned the project. The whole purpose of the project was to play with electronics, and build my own ECU.
about 700 bucks for a mechanical pump for the tdi no need for electronics
Ok, could you please confirm what year and model truck that starter is from? Thanks!!!
dieselram05 If I remember right it was from a 1999 Ford Ranger with a 3.0 v6.
Jonathan Erber awesome!!! Thanks!!!
I’m going to mate my tdi alh to a velvet drive for marine use. And need a starter mounted on the block side. It’s awesome it meshes with the vw flywheel
dieselram05 Absolutely. Provides plenty of power to crank it as well.
is that the ford started that u ended up with then?
Yes. I ended up with a Ford starter.
you would change the starter position to the other side of the engine, thats all to achive the right rotation, if that can´t be done, you would either change starter rotation by changing internal coil, or buy another starter...
Switching sides of the motor would not change the direction of rotation. The starter would need to switch from the engine side of the flywheel to the transmission side of the flywheel to effect the change you suggest. Changing internal electronics is not an option due to the mechanical cam that relies on a change in torque direction to disengage. Were I to change the direction of starter rotation, the starter would either not engage, or would never disengage once the engine started. Unfortunately, a different starter was the only option, so I needed to re-design my adapter plate.
yes you are right, good work! I have one here in Argentina, crwe cab 2.8 TDI powerstroke, original engine.
+Hernán Sánchez Paya I am very jealous! I wish we could get those here. :-/
I saw incredible trucks in North America, I am very jealous about mecanic improvement you have there, right next to the corner!
Much easier to change the direction of rotation of the started than cutting it all up. Also wonder how the transmission now fits on top of the plate which holds the starter.
The problem with changing the direction of the starter is that if you did that the starter would never disengage. :-/ I sold the project to someone else when I ran into the fuel quantity feedback sensor problem, so I never did finish it up.
You are correct, but it depends on the starter type, but the VW engine was also sold with a starter on the engine.
+Thomas B Huh. I searched everywhere for a different style or direction of rotation and couldn't find one. My guess is that a VW starter that mounted on the engine side would have ended up having a shallower offset, which wouldn't have worked with my braket anyway. :-/
if the starter is the normal type with powering the solenoid trowing out and engage the gear from the starter you could still operate it , like i said , you need to change the polarity on the leads going to the the electric motor but leave the polarity on the solenoid like it is (not real sure you might need to solder some stuff around inside the electric motor and change the windings mounted to the chassis with the windings mounted to the lead going to the solenoid
still think i couldve been done
too bad you never finished it
It is not that type of starter. The solenoid doesn't control the engagement of the gear. Gear engagement happens on a spline actuated by rotation of the motor. Reversing polarity would mean that it would never throw the gear forward, and if somehow you got it to engage, it would never disengage after the engine started.
Where part 3
Sold the project. Doing a build right now, tho, almost done putting a TDI into a 2001 Dakota.
that starter could have been wired to run in reverse. I think.
That is what everyone keeps commenting and saying. See my other responses for why that wouldn't work.
I kinda want to tdi swap my ford pinto
Meanwhile in the VW lab in Germany