got a 6'0" carbon wrap baby buggy and holy shit it's the best small wave board I've ever ridden. low continuous rocker and not a super wide nose, the wider tail keeps speed and flow amazingly. so much spring in the tail. I can even grovel with it and still whip it around because it really is a shortboard and not a step down.
Fucken love this show.......I was stoked on the hype with the breakdown of this board and its materials, it gave me a chubby! Did you get laid the night before or did you get a boat load of boards delivered to your HQ Thanks for all your time and commitment that you put into your show, we all appreciate it Can't wait for the next episode!!
WOW amazing video that helped me understand a lot of of things I couldn't understand about the technology used in the surfing industry . Loved it a lot .great video!!!!!!
eps marko blanks are probably the best for shaping for bead tightness but it's worth remembering to leave the water immediately if you ding it because ALL eps will take up water. Even poly cups which are super compressed do, you just don't notice because its a throw away item used for a very short time. once eps takes up water capillary action will take it a long way so it's pretty much impossible to get out again. I was told this by a blank manufacturer/supplier worker who does dings on the side and hates dealing with eps .
If you had to pick one board to use in all conditions and wave sizes , what board would you pick?? , just asking because I'm a young guy and can only afford one board so just trying to find a good all rounder that enables me to do a bit of everything , thanks
ALL conditions and wave sizes? Very tall order, but I get where you're coming from. I think your ability to meet 'all conditions' goes up dramatically with two boards. For example a Lazy Toy and Bean Bag suit 80% of the soft waves in CA above 2 ft that look fun enough to get me excited. But if you can only have one I think a Quiver Killer or a Hypto Krypto can give you insurance on the high end while leaving out the really small waves. A Lazy Toy or a Puddle Jumper or a Potato Nator gives you insurance on the low end while getting a bit out of control in big waves.
Still filling my brain with new shit on every show. really dug the visuals on the foam production and nice to see the rug back in action! thanks Chris keep on drinking from whatever magic fountain you found
Ah damn I was hoping you would have talked about you riding one.. And the size you went with cause we seem to ride the same sizes and volume.. I ordered a 6'0 20 2 9/16 baby buggy carbon wrap got it a hair thicker cause I'm moving back to the east coast soon so I was thinking of the extra wetsuit weight
lol I love how passionate this guy is. He would have made a cool science teacher. I carve old boards and blanks into art- I am trying to find the best styrofoam to work with - I normally have to cut the stringer out and replace it with a piece I have to cut from a blank. :( which is a PITA. Any recommendations on what I should order from you? I need something that will do cleaner cuts using an Exacto knife and is easy to sand.
Great Episode. I love all of the information regarding EPS Blank production and Carbon Wrap technology. (Oh and your board review as good too...haha). There is so much alternative technology out there right now it's a bit hard to sift through all of the options. Are you still a PU most of the time type of guy or are you migrating to one of the many new options for production?
I loved the review you did on Channel Islands Average Joe . The average joe has carbon panels as well right? Does it have a similar design pattern as these Carbon Wrap boards? Are the panels in the average joe running down the nose and splitting in the tail? Does it have a panel in the middle?
The method of wrapping carbon around the board from bottom to top like this is patented by Dan MacDonald in Aus, and I think Lost is the only brand licenced to use it in the States or anywhere. Joe just has carbon on the deck to protect against compression under your back foot, nothing wrapping around the board.
Que pasa Guru! Hey bro, snapped 2 epoxy already... so the question is.... are these Carbon straps really strong for an average surfer like me? 95kg who uses 33-35 litres ? Anyways.. thanks again for an amazing explanation!
Welcome Black Chris!!! Nice episode, really loved the EPS explanation... I think you have a lot of a shaper inside, maybe you could hack some of the shaping business in coming episodes. Have you ever thought of giving podcasts a try? Maybe it could help to put out more content and relief some of the editing hassle out thus still keep in touch with us on a more regular basis. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Looking forward for coming episodes!! cheers!
Cool and informative video. My main thought throughout: Damn that's a good looking surfboard. I know boards flex, but I am skeptical that they flex to the degree that you emphasize in your videos. It would be cool if you would do a video where a board is flex stress-tested to demonstrate what kind of flex parameters are possible given the materials and shaping in a typical modern board.
This is why I reference everything as totally subjective. Some swear they feel certain flex/performance while others don't' notice a thing. I think Lib Tech has got a fancy contraption they use to test flex characteristics of all sorts of boards up in Washington... wonder if I'll ever get to goof off with it..
Someday soon cameras will be small and precise enough, someone could just put a small GoPro-like camera on their board and we could see how much flexing actually happens in the rail during a turn. I'd be REALLY interested to see how much a fin with a specifically engineered "flex pattern" (like Blackstix) actually flexes during a turn. I've always wondered what those things are doing under my feet and the timing of when they load up and release. The GoPro still seems like it's too big to do this right now, and you'd need something that isn't a wide-angle lens.
idk if it's just me but I have a hydroflex glassed varial board and a varial board with polyester resin. the poly board feels so much more natural and smooth going through turns. like it's doing alot of the work for you and the hydroflex board feels kind of stiff. you have to push on it alot harder to feel the same kind of input. I guess it could be from the difference in shapes also? But it really seems like a flex thing to me.
wondering if anyone can help suggest a board for me. looking to buy a new board and have been looking around a lot and just need some help. I am 5'11 weighing in at 140. I surf Ventura all the way south to San Diego. Looking for a good all around shortboard that can handle all types of waves. please help
I've been using Marko foam and it is the best to shap with . when you polish it up good it almost acts as poly. EPS is hard to shape, if you're not careful you may end up taking way too much material , more then what you intended because tends to flake off . MarkoFoam is the best in the west homes.=)...
Just picked up a 6'2" Puddle Jumper in Carbon Wrap but New England waves have been flat the last 7 days so waiting for a nice 2-3ft day to roll in so I can try it out! Im 5'11" 220 with my wetsuit and average surfer. I think this size is right for me, but some are saying its too big. Waves around here average about 2-4 from spring to fall with bigger days sprinkled in here and there. What do you think? Also, how about doing a BLOOPER reel just for kicks. You talk so fast and pack so much info into your videos I bet you have some good bloopers...
Yes :) bloopers happen for sure. Regarding Puddle Jumper dims, I'm happy you asked, because I recently had an experience that changed my thinking on this - here's some backstory: I enjoy boards like the Bean Bag, Baked Potato, etc at around 5'4 to 5'6 with 33 - 38 liters of volume. They're so fun. But I was in Mexico last year at a right hand point, and one day the crowd and the soft, small waves had me bumbed out, so I borrowed someones MASSIVE Sweet Potato (6'2, 56 liters of volume) just to pass the time. It wouldn't turn at all, but on a fast, soft wave that went for about 50 yards I would just glide glide glide over soft section after soft section in three or four foot waves. And it was 2X as much fun as I expected on a board I would usually never look twice at. The same experience happened to me on a 6'0 Puddle Jumper last month. It took effort to turn and control, but for going straight and floating over sections it absolutely gave me a fun, unique hour of surfing in 4 foot weak waves that I wouldn't have had on my normal dims. So did you go a bit bigger than most? Yes you did. But it doesn't mean you won't have fun. Also remember that resale value on ...Lost boards is usually real good, so you won't be hurting too much if you sell it.
One of your best videos for sure. Says a lot because Im saving a board review and will never ride the Beach buggy you molested here. Tons of info and entertaining thx
I bet those carbon strips are hard to accurately glass-in. Can't even imagine how they do it with a single peice wrapping the rail. Maybe over the laminating coat? p.s. this show is unreal. highest quality surf content.
I seen a video of how they did it.. It's pretty much the same way as they put the lams on, they get a brush with a little resin brush it where they wanna lay it put down the carbon then a squeegee over it
Can I just make a nerdy comment? The term cubic liters is wrong used. The right way to say it would be just liters. If you want to use the term cubic you're referring usually to a uni-dimensional magnitude and you add the cubic word before to say that you're talking about volume and not distance. So for cubic you can say cubic centimeters or cubic meters. 1 L + 1000 Cubic Centimeters. Sorry about that.... The show is great!
@Federico Ponsa Thank you for this. Nerdy is a good thing and I'm grateful for the insight. I say 'Cubic Liters' in reference to Whitney Guild's 'Guild Factor'' - the scale used by Lost, Super, Arakawa and others - where surfer body weight is correlated to fitness level and skill to spit out a surfers perfect volume (in theory). I've taken Whitney at face value that 'Cubic Liters' is just as accurate as saying 'Liters', but if this term is wrong, I don't want to use it. For reference, Whitney's 'Guild Factor' and a list of ...Lost's team riders ideal volume in "Cubic Liters' are shown at the link here: www.lostsurfboards.net/volume-calculator/ But moving onward, I'll continue with my normal habit of just saying 'Liters'. Appreciate you guys bringing this up. @The Stone Philosopher , @rokorokero
What is the flex life on this bad boy? I ditch my PU boards every 6 months. I am making the full transition to EPS because i need my boards to last a year. I have 4 FF Chemistry's, a EPS VEctor Net Vampirate, and am looking to replace the remaining PUs with Carbon wraps. Just trying to figure out the ROI on my investment because they'll be custom.
this is definitely the internet's most stoked surfboad show
I wish FireWire would give you back to the surf community, so you could keep producing fantastic clips like this one.
Yes, missing this guy
Mr Grow, you were on top form on this episode...good to see the dirty board rubber is back...
Thank you Simon
Cool info about the foam factory!
Thanks for all this info, dude. There is nothing like your show. Shred is the best!
Amazing! I've never seen someone spread knowledge so easily, speccially about surfboards. Thanks man!
10 out of 10 for enthusiasm
Definitely a great salesman.
This review is still relevant in 2019.
Epic.
you 100% explain in so much more detail than any other channel
This was one of Your best videos...The eps explanation was better then what I usually see.
Thanks Tony.
This might be your best show yet, thanks for this story!
got a 6'0" carbon wrap baby buggy and holy shit it's the best small wave board I've ever ridden. low continuous rocker and not a super wide nose, the wider tail keeps speed and flow amazingly. so much spring in the tail. I can even grovel with it and still whip it around because it really is a shortboard and not a step down.
Paul John Balderston how much do weigh
I'm interested in weight too
Gotta love a guy who feels up surfboards and talks about stuff
Fucken love this show.......I was stoked on the hype with the breakdown of this board and its materials, it gave me a chubby!
Did you get laid the night before or did you get a boat load of boards delivered to your HQ
Thanks for all your time and commitment that you put into your show, we all appreciate it
Can't wait for the next episode!!
WOW amazing video that helped me understand a lot of of things I couldn't understand about the technology used in the surfing industry .
Loved it a lot .great video!!!!!!
eps marko blanks are probably the best for shaping for bead tightness but it's worth remembering to leave the water immediately if you ding it because ALL eps will take up water. Even poly cups which are super compressed do, you just don't notice because its a throw away item used for a very short time. once eps takes up water capillary action will take it a long way so it's pretty much impossible to get out again. I was told this by a blank manufacturer/supplier worker who does dings on the side and hates dealing with eps .
Appreciate you pitching in @sparksbrand thanks for contributing this.
Thank you for that......I am 6'4" 85kegs and my boards take a hiding. I was hoping this would be an option but your comment answered that. Cheers...
How's the floating of the eps carbon wrap? Same as pu or more? Thanks
If you had to pick one board to use in all conditions and wave sizes , what board would you pick?? , just asking because I'm a young guy and can only afford one board so just trying to find a good all rounder that enables me to do a bit of everything , thanks
ALL conditions and wave sizes? Very tall order, but I get where you're coming from. I think your ability to meet 'all conditions' goes up dramatically with two boards. For example a Lazy Toy and Bean Bag suit 80% of the soft waves in CA above 2 ft that look fun enough to get me excited. But if you can only have one I think a Quiver Killer or a Hypto Krypto can give you insurance on the high end while leaving out the really small waves. A Lazy Toy or a Puddle Jumper or a Potato Nator gives you insurance on the low end while getting a bit out of control in big waves.
Yeah! rubbing boards again. Great show Chris
Great explanation of EPS and Carbon Wrap!
Your insights are excellent, very good explanation of EPS foam
Still filling my brain with new shit on every show. really dug the visuals on the foam production and nice to see the rug back in action! thanks Chris keep on drinking from whatever magic fountain you found
*the rub
Not going to quivers? Does that mean you're keeping it?
thanks man, that was awesome. so interesting learning about the construction!
Nice episode as always Chris. Are you planning to surf any of these boards in the swell coming to Socal next week?
When are you gonna get the Slater Designs boards on the show? Specifically the Omni
hey where can you buy one of these boards, not just the BLACK BUT THE ACTUAL BOARD, is it custom made?
Hopefully getting this board soon!
Nice job. Lots of good information.
I always learn stuff with shred show :)
Ah damn I was hoping you would have talked about you riding one.. And the size you went with cause we seem to ride the same sizes and volume.. I ordered a 6'0 20 2 9/16 baby buggy carbon wrap got it a hair thicker cause I'm moving back to the east coast soon so I was thinking of the extra wetsuit weight
lol I love how passionate this guy is. He would have made a cool science teacher. I carve old boards and blanks into art- I am trying to find the best styrofoam to work with - I normally have to cut the stringer out and replace it with a piece I have to cut from a blank. :( which is a PITA. Any recommendations on what I should order from you? I need something that will do cleaner cuts using an Exacto knife and is easy to sand.
what is the rocker like on the baby buggy?
Any thoughts on JS Industries boards?
Great Episode. I love all of the information regarding EPS Blank production and Carbon Wrap technology. (Oh and your board review as good too...haha). There is so much alternative technology out there right now it's a bit hard to sift through all of the options. Are you still a PU most of the time type of guy or are you migrating to one of the many new options for production?
Thanks for the info brother
I loved the review you did on Channel Islands Average Joe . The average joe has carbon panels as well right? Does it have a similar design pattern as these Carbon Wrap boards? Are the panels in the average joe running down the nose and splitting in the tail? Does it have a panel in the middle?
The method of wrapping carbon around the board from bottom to top like this is patented by Dan MacDonald in Aus, and I think Lost is the only brand licenced to use it in the States or anywhere. Joe just has carbon on the deck to protect against compression under your back foot, nothing wrapping around the board.
Sweet...what is the next mid length/long board? Bing Elevator please...nice hat!
I like this guy
Good episode, you should do a varial foam review too.
Saludos desde Perú.
Que pasa Guru! Hey bro, snapped 2 epoxy already... so the question is.... are these Carbon straps really strong for an average surfer like me? 95kg who uses 33-35 litres ? Anyways.. thanks again for an amazing explanation!
Welcome Black Chris!!! Nice episode, really loved the EPS explanation... I think you have a lot of a shaper inside, maybe you could hack some of the shaping business in coming episodes. Have you ever thought of giving podcasts a try? Maybe it could help to put out more content and relief some of the editing hassle out thus still keep in touch with us on a more regular basis. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Looking forward for coming episodes!! cheers!
You should feature Pyzel's the Amp or a big wave board like the Padillac
Was just talking with someone about that Padillac board today, we'll see...
Keep rubbing it Chris 😎👍
Cool and informative video. My main thought throughout: Damn that's a good looking surfboard.
I know boards flex, but I am skeptical that they flex to the degree that you emphasize in your videos.
It would be cool if you would do a video where a board is flex stress-tested to demonstrate what kind of flex parameters are possible given the materials and shaping in a typical modern board.
This is why I reference everything as totally subjective. Some swear they feel certain flex/performance while others don't' notice a thing. I think Lib Tech has got a fancy contraption they use to test flex characteristics of all sorts of boards up in Washington... wonder if I'll ever get to goof off with it..
Someday soon cameras will be small and precise enough, someone could just put a small GoPro-like camera on their board and we could see how much flexing actually happens in the rail during a turn. I'd be REALLY interested to see how much a fin with a specifically engineered "flex pattern" (like Blackstix) actually flexes during a turn. I've always wondered what those things are doing under my feet and the timing of when they load up and release.
The GoPro still seems like it's too big to do this right now, and you'd need something that isn't a wide-angle lens.
Shred Show
Thanks for the reply. Keep on keepin'
idk if it's just me but I have a hydroflex glassed varial board and a varial board with polyester resin. the poly board feels so much more natural and smooth going through turns. like it's doing alot of the work for you and the hydroflex board feels kind of stiff. you have to push on it alot harder to feel the same kind of input. I guess it could be from the difference in shapes also? But it really seems like a flex thing to me.
wondering if anyone can help suggest a board for me. looking to buy a new board and have been looking around a lot and just need some help. I am 5'11 weighing in at 140. I surf Ventura all the way south to San Diego. Looking for a good all around shortboard that can handle all types of waves. please help
I've been using Marko foam and it is the best to shap with . when you polish it up good it almost acts as poly. EPS is hard to shape, if you're not careful you may end up taking way too much material , more then what you intended because tends to flake off . MarkoFoam is the best in the west homes.=)...
Charles, thanks for chiming in.
Kelly Slaters Omni next would be awesome!!!
Just picked up a 6'2" Puddle Jumper in Carbon Wrap but New England waves have been flat the last 7 days so waiting for a nice 2-3ft day to roll in so I can try it out! Im 5'11" 220 with my wetsuit and average surfer. I think this size is right for me, but some are saying its too big. Waves around here average about 2-4 from spring to fall with bigger days sprinkled in here and there. What do you think? Also, how about doing a BLOOPER reel just for kicks. You talk so fast and pack so much info into your videos I bet you have some good bloopers...
Yes :) bloopers happen for sure. Regarding Puddle Jumper dims, I'm happy you asked, because I recently had an experience that changed my thinking on this - here's some backstory: I enjoy boards like the Bean Bag, Baked Potato, etc at around 5'4 to 5'6 with 33 - 38 liters of volume. They're so fun. But I was in Mexico last year at a right hand point, and one day the crowd and the soft, small waves had me bumbed out, so I borrowed someones MASSIVE Sweet Potato (6'2, 56 liters of volume) just to pass the time. It wouldn't turn at all, but on a fast, soft wave that went for about 50 yards I would just glide glide glide over soft section after soft section in three or four foot waves. And it was 2X as much fun as I expected on a board I would usually never look twice at. The same experience happened to me on a 6'0 Puddle Jumper last month. It took effort to turn and control, but for going straight and floating over sections it absolutely gave me a fun, unique hour of surfing in 4 foot weak waves that I wouldn't have had on my normal dims. So did you go a bit bigger than most? Yes you did. But it doesn't mean you won't have fun. Also remember that resale value on ...Lost boards is usually real good, so you won't be hurting too much if you sell it.
Digging the shirt Chris!
Where can I get that shirt???
What about polyurethane blanks?
One of your best videos for sure. Says a lot because Im saving a board review and will never ride the Beach buggy you molested here. Tons of info and entertaining thx
Great review👌! Nice shirt also.. 😃
great show! one thing, you can say liter, or cubic decimeter or maybe something else but not cubic liter pleast
You should do the lost sub buggy!
does this board feel pingpongy at all?
That is a good east coast board
Very interesting!
such good explanations 2 thumbs up
Sick hat!
Got it at H&M
Skip to 5:00 minute mark .... Say no more!! EPIC but go with quad set up 😅
Could you review the Dx1 Epoxicore by dhd and/or the Sharp eye Game Changer.
Sharp eye Disco or the game changer/ Holy Toledo review pls
Will see what I can do.
Wow science man
Was wondering if you have any opinion on Degree33 Surfboards, reviews were extremely mixed!
P.S. LOVE the show!
No opinion. Never surfed or touched one.
+Shred Show gotcha. Thanks anyway!
Love the review.
I bet those carbon strips are hard to accurately glass-in. Can't even imagine how they do it with a single peice wrapping the rail. Maybe over the laminating coat?
p.s. this show is unreal. highest quality surf content.
I seen a video of how they did it.. It's pretty much the same way as they put the lams on, they get a brush with a little resin brush it where they wanna lay it put down the carbon then a squeegee over it
Ahh ok, that makes sense. I guess they just lay it on the foam and set it first. I'll have to check out the videos. Cheers m8
lost shortround lib tech technology review please
Yea chris!
Hey Shredbuddy! Nothing about sci-fi yet ?
Awesome!
If this guy is a surfer, then I'm an Alien from Hawaii.
You're more safe there than Area 51 after this march happens. 😂
Can I just make a nerdy comment? The term cubic liters is wrong used. The right way to say it would be just liters. If you want to use the term cubic you're referring usually to a uni-dimensional magnitude and you add the cubic word before to say that you're talking about volume and not distance. So for cubic you can say cubic centimeters or cubic meters. 1 L + 1000 Cubic Centimeters. Sorry about that.... The show is great!
@Federico Ponsa Thank you for this. Nerdy is a good thing and I'm grateful for the insight. I say 'Cubic Liters' in reference to Whitney Guild's 'Guild Factor'' - the scale used by Lost, Super, Arakawa and others - where surfer body weight is correlated to fitness level and skill to spit out a surfers perfect volume (in theory). I've taken Whitney at face value that 'Cubic Liters' is just as accurate as saying 'Liters', but if this term is wrong, I don't want to use it. For reference, Whitney's 'Guild Factor' and a list of ...Lost's team riders ideal volume in "Cubic Liters' are shown at the link here: www.lostsurfboards.net/volume-calculator/ But moving onward, I'll continue with my normal habit of just saying 'Liters'. Appreciate you guys bringing this up. @The Stone Philosopher , @rokorokero
talk to a few local shapers in your area
What is the flex life on this bad boy? I ditch my PU boards every 6 months. I am making the full transition to EPS because i need my boards to last a year. I have 4 FF Chemistry's, a EPS VEctor Net Vampirate, and am looking to replace the remaining PUs with Carbon wraps. Just trying to figure out the ROI on my investment because they'll be custom.
Awe-some!!
1:37 keep clicking it.
Just saying I love finatic !
Can you do misfit please!
That hat... It's deadly
carbon wraps in general
Ok why is this guy talking about wall insulation...oh