7 Toxic Musical Couples
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From opera lurking phantoms to emotional high schoolers, Broadway is no stranger to romance.
But if there's one thing audiences love more than a happy ending, it's a melodramatic mess.
In the spirit of Valentines Day, let's look at 7 Toxic Broadway Relationships.
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A.E. Reinhart
Alice
Ann
Ann Marie Wilson
Anon!
Ayinde
Blythe Lavender
Brent Black
Cindy Lindsay
Danniella
Deena Abdullat
Devra Gatling
Ethan
Frances McGinn
Holly T
jack walk
Katie McGuire
Kelseigh Ingram
Lawren Kinsey
Lucia Figueras
Marisa
Megan McCasland
MindlessNonsense
Orange
Phil Edwards
Rachel Goodman
Savannah Cash
stephen seale
Taekook
Tara Filowitz
The Dirty Bubble
Timothy Murray
Tom Norris
Toryana Frazier
00:00 Intro
01:43 Let's Get Toxic - บันเทิง
Who are some of your favorite toxic musical couples?
Effie and Curtis Effie gets her due and Curtis gets his.
OMG Elisabeth and Der Todd!!! 100% My FAV toxic baes.
Seymour and Audrey!
also rudolf, crown prince of austria and the personification of death from the musical elisabeth seen as death is also a symbol for suicidal ideation and rudolf‘s actions don’t make it any better
I‘d also say Valjean and Cosette, even in the musical he gets so possessive and doesn’t consider cosette‘s opinion at all
What else
mozart and salieri in mozart l‘opera rock because salieri pretends the whole time to be indifferent towards mozart when he actually like his music very much. It’s debatable whether he likes Mozart but then again they sing a duet at the end where they kinda reconcile so yeah
George and Dot by far!
The Phantom of the Opera is the equivalent of that bad boy in high school that every girl falls for. Then the girl grows up and realizes how problematic said bad boy is.
Heathers…
And what's even worse is the "good guy" is just as bad as the bad boys. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the show but oomph is all I can say.
Not even that I think - though that's a pretty good equivalent. Christine's "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again" kind of puts their whole relationship in perspective. The perspective being, or at least strongly implied, that the Phantom came to her not long after her dearly beloved father died - and so AT HER MOST VULNERABLE - and for a time embodied the next best thing to the unconditional warmth and safety of her father until he didn't. Listening to it when I was older made me think, "...Holy shit, the Phantom practically groomed her."
So I'd say PotO is the equivalent of that supposedly cool/hot/reliable teacher or family friend that every high school girl falls for, then the girl grows up *and grows closer to someone that is her actual age* and realizes how problematic that relationship with that older man actually was. (Say what you will about Raoul but he'd still make a solid equivalent of Guy Who Is Appropriately The Same Age As The Girl And Exists Outside Of The Bubble That Her Groomer Had Forced Her Into.)
I think Phantom is different from some of the other stories mentioned like Heathers and Sweeney because it has a veneer of romanticism which makes the audience sympathize with the Phantom. It’s 100% clear that Sweeney & Mrs Lovett are committing evil acts and doomed to darkness, but in Phantom it’s possible for the audience to see the characters as moving and tragic rather than seriously problematic.
Accurate
You really went with Oklahoma over Carousel? The show that has a whole-ass song that says "he beats me but he loves me so it's ok
and has an ACTUAL DIALOGUE that says "Sometimes someone can hit you, hit you hard, and it feels just like a kiss."? I'm sorry but this needs an explanation.
It's too obvious
As bad as he is, Curly killed someone whereas Billy killed himself.
I would say it didn’t age well, but my grandparents confirmed it was awkward & weird back in the 50s.
Carousel being as well regarded as it is, will forever fuel a rage within my heart. It is impossible for me to enjoy that show when there is a main character as deplorable as Billy.
I have to agree that Oklahoma is far less of a problem
But I love that ALW was like, “If you thought Phantom was toxic, wait til you see this!” And gave us the cringe inducing monstrosity that is Love Never Dies. I was embarrassed through the whole thing. It was super gross. And I’d add Billy & Julie from Carousel to the list. Super toxic.
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I'm not sure that Roxie/Billy is ever outright stated, but Roxie/Amos is the most manipulative and terribly sad thing I've ever seen
EXACTLYYY
i'm playing amos in my school production, and no roxie/billy is never stated
roxie tries to make a move on him and he straight up rejects her
but poor amos
Yeah Roxy and Billy are not a couple. You could maybe play it that way if you really wanted to, but I’ve never heard of that being done. Calling them a couple is a stretch. Hell, calling Sweeney and Lovett was a stretch too, but at least she definitely has feelings for him even if it’s always been unrequited. Roxy and Billy is just making things up.
Mr Cellophane itself talks about how people just walk all over him. The guy gets used by his selfish wife who was cheating on him
Amos really deserves better
YES. Can’t help but feel bad for Amos. Roxie is just a horrible person and unlikable MC all around. I can safely say I hope they get divorced
How about the whole dang family in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Yup
"Lightly based off the Women of Sabine" Several levels of screwed up that musical.
I agree, not gonna lie.
Not me drowning in cringe at my 12yo self's obsession with Phantom's "beautiful love story"...
It had its hold on all of us.
Im not here for the romance. Im here for the dark story telling ok XD
Don't sweat it, many of us were under that spell lol
I was 15, had an instagram phantom fan account, dragged raoul through the mud, and worst of all considered love never dies as a 100% canon (other than Christine being shot)
Check out my username. I was obsessed with the book and the musical after my middle school choir director had us do an ALW medley. So, around the same age. I knew it was messed up, but I was so here for the angsty fix-it fanfics. And I had a major crush on the skeletal Leroux version of Erik. I made a so-called friend that way, we met when I was 18...he was more obsessed and in love with Erik than me, and had me over that obsession by the time I was in my mid-20s. Having to constantly RP a fictional character to be someone's imaginary boyfriend and manage their mental health will do that to you, especially when he pretended so hard that he and Erik were a couple that he'd have weird, jealous moments over ME and my crush on him. Dude, what? I haven't spoken to that guy in over 2 years after he tried getting in contact again obviously looking for a 'fix', so to speak (I didn't give him one) and I had ghosted him for 5 years before that.
I'll turn 40 this year, I've barely started being able to listen to the music again and read a few fanfics. But it's more nostalgia for how I USED to love it. I no longer get that same teary-eyed, heart fluttering delicious pang from any of it because it's all tainted by him.
The thing about Marvin, to me, though is that he grows. After the slap, he gets that shock of how bad he was. He then gets back with Whizzer when he starts asking permission, questions, and admits being wrong. The competition becomes flirty and not abusive. That’s what makes the story so tragic is that when he finally becomes worthy of love from Whizzer, AIDS strikes and it’s too late for them to have that happy life. He does essentially lose Trina’s friendship (not undeservedly so), but the neighbors know and meet him as a bigger person. I think it’s deeply toxic and deserving of being on the list, but I feel the story hinges on his maturation. It’s why you can stand him at all in Falsettoland. The story has flawed people abound but the arcs are what make it great to me. And I’ve seen productions with downplayed arcs; they stunk. Essentially, I agree but with an asterisk.
But that’s just IMO
Tbh a lot of what happened between Veronica and J.D. was manipulation on J.D.’s part. Veronica had no idea she was giving Heather the poisoned cup and was strictly against the idea. She thought she’d be doing a quick prank with Ram and Kurt but J.D. took it too far by *actually* killing them without telling Veronica, and then proceeded to manipulate her further by assuring her that things were better now because of it when she was having none of it and refused to let this escalate any further.
She just wanted them to be a normal couple and relented cutting him off because she truly loved him and saw the good and tortured soul in him. But by the time she did cut him off, she saw that he was truly too far gone and had to finish this herself. The worst thing Veronica did was give J.D. too many chances.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for talking about the toxicity of Phantom and Christine's relationship. Erik/Phantom poses as her father knowingly and manipulates her so she'll stay with him (see: "Wandering Child." ew ew ew ew). The man is waaayyy worse in the book; at one point, Christine confesses that she stole a pair of scissors to, ahem, "unalive" herself in case he tried to assault her. He verbally, physically, and emotionally abuses her. Messed up shit.
POTO is not a love story. Is it not a "Beauty and the Beast" situation. It's about a man who abuses and tortures a young woman so he can escape the trauma he endured for decades, and is then forgiven by said woman because she empathizes and understands his grief. He then reflects on what he has done, and how if he had just chosen to grieve properly instead of wallowing in misery, he could have had love.
Aaaaaand then he repeats what he did in the last musical in Love Never Dies. Hurray!
Said this in another comment, but Phantom was both my fave book and musical for a long time, because I like dark, tragic romances. Unfortunately, it led me into the worst friendship (hah) of my life where I used to RP with this guy who'd constantly threaten to...let's say pull Christine's same stunt as well as do a bit of light "skin scraping" on himself anytime I was unavailable to play Erik for him. I had to become nocturnal in order to keep up with his needs because of our time zone differences. I couldn't leave the house, I wasn't seeing my own family despite living with them. But when I got sick and couldn't do it, the threats would start. He needed Erik. Only Erik could help him.
I had to act like Erik was a real person separate from me. I wasn't allowed to have my crush on Leroux Erik, anymore (which was fine because a few years of that cured it). He was just completely, jealously possessive of this fictional character. Honestly, they'd have deserved each other IRL. Go be creepy and possessive together and leave me out of it.
I've been out of the RP for a few years now, and I've only recently started reading a few fanfics and listening to the music maybe once every few months. I just...don't enjoy it like I used to because all I can think of is him.
he hyponitizes christine to come into his house and lets her go and decides he wants nothing to do with her anymore
I mean with Musicals so heavily tied to their grandmother, Opera. That more musical couples aren't worse is kind of a surprise. A lot of Opera and Ballet plotlines make me want to return to therapy. Eish!
I'm surprised the show Carousel didn't make the list
So should the show Grease
Anatole Kuragin is peak toxic boyfriend though. Flirting with an already engaged girl and trying to kidnap her from her family when they protest.
Not to mention he himself was already married too!
For me, it’s Kim and Chris. Like we’re supposed to sympathize with him, but he literally sleeps with a 17-year-old girl in a war during country and then is nice to her and of course she fall in love with him because she’s been hurt and exploited and then in the end he gets to keep his, nice i’m such a righteous American attitude while she commit suicide to give her child a better life.
Yes! There a reason Miss Saigon aged badly, even if it's really good
What "righteous American attitude"? He literally has a song where he talks about how he failed to help Kim just like the US failed to do good in Vietnam generally and how awful he feels about it.
"All I made was a mess, just like everyone else, in a place full of mystery that I never once understood." - Chris
I'm not saying he was a great guy, but this reading of his character is completely counter to the text.
@@oliviastratton2169 I didn’t really mean it in the sense that being a veteran with the self-righteous part. I meant that the text depict him has this all around really good ideal American. He does feel guilt and remorse for not being able to help him because of the messiness no more, however, he also sleeps with her when he probably shouldn’t have. And right before he mentions that he used to love getting stoned and sleeping with people with now he doesn’t. And he even states that he should not be sleeping with him because she’s literally still a little girl which is how he refers her. And although he is abandoning her is not his fault, I would argue that their relationship is based on an inability to consent in first place. But the reason I say he is self-righteous is because he is depicted as the quintessential good guy who doesn’t want to do this anymore, but he still participates and takes advantage of the young woman in an incredibly vulnerable position. And of course she’s going to fall in love with him, because he’s nice to her and he’s gonna become hammered with that affection because he’s affection starved him himself. I just meant that I don’t necessarily see him as a good guy, but the text seems to think he is and seems to depict America in general as being. It sometimes tries to critique the Vietnam war, but it doesn’t go as far as it probably should so it feels kind of half-baked. Kim not him sorry. I swear English is my first language. I’m blind and so in order to write these I speak into my phone and it doesn’t always get what I say correct and I can’t go back and edit them because it was only let me edit it be very beginning of a text in the very end so it’s frustrating.
@@elliemorgan8670 I agree with your assessment of Chris" character. But I think that's what's intended. Chris isn't a good guy. The opening number establishes he's solicited prostitutes before. "Why God" establishes he re-enlisted, so he doesn't even get the sympathy points of being drafted.
I mean, the musical is a retelling of Madama Butterfly, and Chris is the analog to Pinkerton who is the villain of that opera. Chris isn't as awful because Miss Saigon is set 70 years later in a post-War-Brides-Act USA. But there are still a lot of similarities.
I guess I just think the musical has a lot of gray morality, and I don't mind that. War is messy. You can sympathize with someone and still know they've done wrong.
@@oliviastratton2169 I agree that there are certainly great areas in the text and I like that. I appreciate that kind of morality. But the way that the creators of the show talk about Chris makes it seem as though they want to have him be the anti-Pinkerton. Maeve said in interviews that Chris is the opposite of Pinkerton because he’s not a jerk and he is supposed to be the good guy from intense and purposes. So I think the part that I struggle with is that being intentions behind why these characters were created themes, a little bit messy. It’s one thing if you said out, intending to make a morally gray character but it’s another thing if they come across that way, even though you didn’t intend them to be. It makes the show age kind of poorly because, it has a lot of nuances in some places, but in others, it falls flat. Like portraying every single Asian woman except for Kim as a prostitute. No, it does establish that most of the women don’t want to be working as prostitutes, but it does create a hierarchy where Kim comes out on top, because she is the pure wide eyed version. But even then that’s not enough and she still gets the short end of the stick because she doesn’t belong in the American dream. And I think the text acknowledges that and it’s unfairness. But it doesn’t Challenge that narrative or critique it as much as I think it should. I still think it’s a great show and it’s beautiful, but there are some areas that I find have aged well, particularly in this day and age. And Eva, who was the Kim that I ended up, listening to, has even stated at other shows that it was a problematic show, and not a great experience for which brings home to me that it’s a show that people struggle with even if they are directly involved. But one of the best things about it is that it is able to facilitate this kind of involves discussion.
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First rule of show business relationships (or business relationships in general): never date your manager or supervisor, let alone marry them. No matter how well-intentioned you two are, you two'll be in a position where personal drama could potentially cost you your job, or business drama could cost you both the relationship.
THANK YOU! Most Phantom/Christine shippers forget that he literally
Kidnaps her.
Stalks her.
Manipulates her knowing full well she is still fragile grieving her fathers death and taking advantage of that.
Almost kills her with a chandelier at the end of act one.
Makes her fear for her life at one point.
Threatens her fiance's life.
Believes he is entitled to her affections.
Kills innocent people who posed no threat to him.
Blackmails/threatens others.
Hangs/displays a dead man's corpse for people to find and see
Tried to force Christine in a relationship she made clear she didn't want at the end
Is old enough to be her father
AND then they all boo Christine for choosing the boring safe one who she loved. I've seen people call her a gold digger! Wake up! The phantom doesn't need Christine, HE NEEDS THERAPY!!
No, I'm one who didn't forget. But after I met that one guy who was more into Erik than I was and jealous of both Christine for having his love and me for also having a crush on him, I got over the ship. Because to this day I associate the book and the songs with the worst friendship I ever had.
Doesn't mean I can't still be into other dark ships, though.
Although I do agree it's weird to call Christine a gold-digger when that was not only the literal expectation for the female performers to keep the patrons 'happy' so the opera could stay open, and she was written as pure and not interested in doing that, but I've also seen the more toxic ones (like that guy I mentioned) who said she was the one cruel to Erik. I remember being put off this one really good, twisted fanfic back in the day where the person leaned into the substitute father thing. Erik was the foster parent of teenage Christine, and when he found out she had a boyfriend he took her cellphone, basically put her under house arrest and forbade her to date. All the comments said she ought to be more grateful that Erik had given her a home and music lessons.
that's not true there's no way that christine is a gold digger and the phantom is a rotten person for all those things.
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I legitimately cannot understand why people like Christine and Erik. He’s a murderer, predator and master manipulator who uses threats, anger and murder to force Christine into submission. Not to mention he’s been posing as her Dad which brings in more creepiness than was already there.
Regardless of how stupid Raoul is and how dismissive he can be of Christine, he’s not a creepy predator or murderer.
No honorable mention for My Fair Lady? I always found it weird that Eliza still got back with Prof. Higgins despite the disparaging treatment she was forced to endure.
Yeah that one is always creepy to me. In much the same way “You’ve Got Mail” is not a RomCom. It’s about a creepy psychopath stalking and controlling a young woman.
@@andrewtaylor940 Gonna be honest, I don't get this take
@@5th_cellar In both films the male protagonist slowly takes over complete control of the vulnerable woman’s life. Henry Higgin’s does it on a bet. The Tom Hank’s character in You’ve Got Mail is a psychopath. He manipulates a woman via an online identity, while at the same time destroying her business and her life to the extent that she has no choice but to come to him.
@@andrewtaylor940 While I love MFL, I get it on that one, but I definitely don’t see it on You’ve Got Mail. In every version of that movie, the male lead doesn’t know he’s writing to his rival until after the first meeting and makes an attempt to come clean only to have her insult him and try to shoo him off while waiting for a man she thinks has stood her up.
It’s only after that it starts to get a little weird when she writes to ask where he was and, IIRC, he tells her that he assumed she was with the man at her table instead of saying “ that was me, you never gave me the chance to say it.”
They stand on slightly more even footing in the original version where they work at the same store but, I think, he’s being trained to take over and is the one who technically hired her. Been awhile since I’ve seen it, but I think he didn’t want to because she came in with a slight attitude towards him and was more or less constantly insulting him on the job. But she was a genius saleswoman and the old manager said to give her the job and waved the insults towards the new one off.
Its revealed at the end, along with his identity, that she’d had that attitude because of trying very badly to flirt. Basically negging him. “I treated you like a dog…but instead of licking my hand, you barked at me.”
They didn't get together in the book - George Bernard Shaw was rightfully opposed to such a thing and she never went back - but audiences of the stage play demanded it and as such it was incorporated into the musical. I adore the musical but I really do hate that final scene too.
I had never watched The phantom until two months ago, I always thought it was a beautiful romance based on what people told me. Until I actually watched the phantom of the opera, and my god, how can people love Cristine with that psychopath and hate poor Raoul????
Things were different back in the 80’s.
@@br52685no, that was not normal in the 80s LOL. The show was never meant to be a romance between Christine and the Phantom. It’s a story about a tragic villain who you can feel sorry for, but still understand that he’s horrible.
@@sxyghost8266 I didn't say this was NORMAL...I just said things were DIFFERENT. There are a lot of stories, themes (not just in musicals, but a also movies, etc.) that simply don't hold-up to today's standards--or are simply viewed differently now than they were viewed then. That's part of what makes revivals interesting--they can adapt and grow and be viewed (and presented) through a different perspective.
@@br52685 right, but that’s not how it was meant to be viewed in the 80s either. Phantom was always meant to be a villain. You can argue that people in the 80s were more sympathetic to him, but I don’t think that’s true either considering how many people still wish Christine chose him over Raoul.
@@sxyghost8266 I'm confused by your last-statement: that you don't think people (in the 80s) were sympathetic towards him? You do acknowledge that many people wished Christine chose the Phantom? That seems to support my claim: I would argue that more people (in the 80s) would have voted for Christine/Phantom over Christine/Raoul. Whereas now (current times), I would argue that more people would choose Christine/Raoul versus Christine/Phantom.
Similar situation to Beauty and the Beast: it was certainly a love story when it first came out. But now (through current sensibilities), it's doesn't quite hold-up as a "love story."
this is The Last Five Years erasure and you know it, Brendon
Where oh where is Carousel on this list, aka the musical where "sometimes a slap feels like a kiss?"
Now I want to see a Sweeney Todd/Cats crossover.
Melchior and Wendla spring awakening.
It's so weird that I view Erik and Christine as a red flag and toxic ship but I also love them and I'm obsessed
hey, whatever floats your boat! at least you *recognize* they're toxic.
Indeed, recognising they're toxic is still good
I do also recognzie that their relationship is toxic. But then so's Christine and Roul!
I used to be...til I met a guy more obsessed with Erik than I was and completely unable to distguinish fiction from reality. I've only just started dipping my toe in the fandom for nostalgia, but literally none of it gives me those delicious angst feels like it used to
No, that's not wrong. We enjoy conflict in fiction, and people who are bad for each other can be really interesting!
Oh my god I was just humming “the phantom of the opera” and this was the first thing on my Home Screen :0
I don’t understand the point of this list. Apart from maybe Laurie and Curly, all these relationships are meant to be toxic. The fact they're toxic is a key part of the story.
And not all of them are even couples. Roxie and Billy have never been a couple in any production I've seen. The Phantom and Christine aren't a couple, he's just infatuated/obsessed with her. You could argue Sweeney and Mrs. Lovette are also a case of one-sided infatuation/obsession rather than a genuine couple.
It’s almost like it’s a list video
@@WaitintheWings But why would you put several non-couples in a list about couples?
And you say in the title that these characters make you personally uncomfortable, but then never really talk about your own opinion of the characters, mostly just summarizing the events of each musical.
This is very much a gotcha “guess what, these couples you liked are toxic!” vibe. These don’t seem like situations where the writers thought they were writing a fantastic relationship but went whoops all toxic
@@oliviastratton2169it’s just clickbait lazy content.
In fairness to WITW, the fandoms for all these musicals have factions that rabidly ship the not-couple (looking at the Phantom fandom especially). Perhaps a better title would have been "Toxic Ships" but not everyone knows what a ship is in terms of fandom.
YES FALSETTOS YOU TOUCHED MY FALSETTOS HEART
4:41 Oh no now I’m always gonna picture Mrs.
Lovett baking Mr. Mistofoles😂😂😂😂
i love the "T for Troy" necklace being turned into the word toxic it was funny
Norma Desmond: "hey--what's going on in this thread?"
Great video! Honestly, I feel like this video could have a part 2 with how many toxic couples there are in musicals!
The main couple from Moulin Rouge (Satine and ??) prob aren't the best. He's more infatuated with the idea of her, and I don't think she truly feels that much for him at lesst not the same level. And of course Sandy and Danny from Grease
Our love is what killed the dinosaurs, darling ✨
WHAT production of heathers are you getting shots from where JD reads a copy of The Catcher in the Rye? That's hilarious
I love this as a topic. Great deep dive!
I loved the transitions between the couples! Cracked me up. Great list!
Awesome video mate 👍
This was fun...not sure thats the right.
The segues at the end of your videos to previous releases are always amazing.
I love the Falsettos mention. Good to know it's still going strong!
Very cool transitions You got on this video
That is one trip you have to be on to explain how Oklahoma is more dysfunctional than Sweeney Todd. But it’s so passionately argued, I love it anyway.
Haven't watched yet but i hope great comet is on here.
our local theatre did oklahoma one year and anatevka the next.
maily to reuse the sets but grandma and sure were confused and still confuse them to this day
Gosh this is making me wish that The Last Trial was a broadway musical (which it isn't, and won't and can't be, given that to try and bring it to the stage in any English-speaking country, or, like, overall most countries outside Russia, would be asking for a major copyright lawsuit), because Raistlin and Crysania so would deserve a place on this list. I mean, seriously. Dark mage who seduces a priestess of good because he needs her aid to succeed in his schemes? A sheltered and arrogant priestess who's oh so very certain that she can redeem this dark mage and bring him back to the light even if no one else can? Her enabling him to become a god, leading to the destruction of the very world itself? Him abandoning her, blinded and terribly hurt in the hellish plane of Abyss, the moment she's no longer of use to him, only to come to regret it once it's already too late? It's *so juicy*.
The entire musical is basically about love - romantic and brotherly alike - gone horribly wrong, about love that cannot redeem one who adamantly rejects it and refuses redemption, about love twisted and manipulated and used as a tool, a means to terrible ends....
"The poets say that Love will be the world’s great redeemer,
But as for you and I, we know that’s simply untrue
The rivers run crimson, the world burns from warfare
All for the love of a fool!"
No Cathy and Jamie? Im shocked!
COMMENTED THE SAME THING I would love to see a video essay on the last five years
falsettos had me so surprised (they were the first ppl i thought about when i saw this video title)
Hi WitW! Just wanted to let you know that I always appreciate your work, and I'm commenting here in good faith since I think this might be a genuine oversight (especially since you mentioned elsewhere in the comments that you hire a graphic designer for your thumbnails, we love to see it). The actor pictured as the Phantom in the thumbnail is James Barbour, unfortunately, and I'll admit I didn't recognize him myself until a friend of mine pointed it out. For those of you who don't know, he was charged with five counts of SA and has served a sentence in jail for it. I simply wanted to let you know in case this was an oversight on your side that you'd prefer to amend. I hope you have a nice day otherwise!
Hey Irina! Thank you so much for pointing this out, we definitely don't want to highlight James Barbour. I sent the designer a photo of Ramin Karimloo as Phantom and we've gotten it changed.
@@WaitintheWings You're welcome! Happy to help.
Masks hide facial scars and murderers and they also make SA perpetrators harder to recognize in thumbnails. Huh 🤨
@@WaitintheWingsThank you for taking that step!
@@irinakermong1217Good catch!!! I totally missed that. Thanks for bringing it to WitW’s attention, and @WaitintheWings, thank you for taking quick action!! Love this amazing community ❤
Teapot: “Tale as old as time…”
Chip: “Wait…this is normal?”
From ALNM: Carl Magnus and Charlotte!
I worship the ground he kicks me around on, the pig.
1:00, 1:08 Ayo, hint for Heathers video??
Sarah Brown: “can I get another one of these……. Dulce de Leches”?
Yeah....
I would've added Bill and Nancy from Oliver 😬
wow was skipping class worth it to be here this early ? perhaps
FALSETTOS MENTIONED LETS GOOOO
I see some toxic traits in myself that I don't like.
Would've expected Jamie and Cathy from The Last Five Years here
Ok what’s insane is in English yesterday we were learning about the horror genre and we learned about penny dreadfuls and the example was “the string of pearls” and my teacher talked about how Sweeney Todd is based on it and then you do this video today and talk about Sweeney Todd and mention the penny dreadful its based on
Toxic relationships, like me & fastfood....😩🙌🏼💖🍔🍟🍕
tbf falling in love with the kidnapper could be an effect of stockholm syndrome, especially after being in a frgile state of mind and phatom dude being super controlling.
ngl dream girls one was probaly the saddest out of all of them.
Stockholm syndrome is not real. It is nothing more than pseudo science
I mean did Christine actually fall in love with the phantom? (Not including Love Never Dies)
Noooooo i love the phantom
what are you talking about phantom, he was a good man...what about the murder? WHAT MURDER
Where are the internet dads on this one? @CinemaTherapy
Yessssss….
In Christine's defense, she was only infatuated with him BEFORE he killed people. Afterwards she might have been a little bit, but she did chose Raoul. And while still problematic, Phantom technically didn't kidnap her (at the beginning) because she did consent to going with him. Might seem like a minor difference, but i think it's important. idk that Christine rly fell in love with Phantom himself so much as his music.🎶 She knows her attraction to him is problematic and much of her character arc is spent trying to overcome it. Considering she's a girl without a father or loving Gaudian, I think it's pretty understandable...Otherwise tho, great video, thx for sharing💕☺😁
Can we all agree that Wizzer was a better dad to Jason than Marvin?
Follies: 👀
For real! It's Toxic Couples: The Musical!
Ok, but are there even any musical relationships that AREN’T toxic??
but then...where's the DRAMA?!?
Judd may be kind of the worst but it's still super creepy that Curly literally tries to sing a gaslighting ballad for him to hang himself. And he's the hero? Yeesh.
Is it just me or should we feel a bit of sympathy for the Phantom? I mean sure he killed a lot of people but we don't remember any of those people but we remember him.
am i the only one that thinks the thumbnail looks like ai art?
Mary Magdalene waves discretely from the corner.
Holy mackerel am I first?
To fair Sweeeny and Mrs. Lovett "deserve" each other whickin a way makes them prefect as a couple.
i'm sorry are you wait in the wings or watch mojo
How about Jamie and Cathy?
Umm for the phantom of the opera it’s kinda the point. At least that’s what I figured it was. Comes with the territory of genre of the gothic book it’s originally from.
I am shocked Carousel is not here.
yeah effie did nothing wrong
I haven't seen Chicago in a bit, but I don't remember Billy and Roxy ever having a sexual relationship. Did they, and I just missed it?
Not in any production I've seen. No idea why they're on this list. Should have been Roxie x Amos.
Thank you for calling out Curly & Laurey in "OKLAHOMA!" as a "toxic couple." Curly even tells his rival Jud Fry to commit suicide..and they sing about it! "Phantom" may be bad but, ultimately, I feel sorry for him. Christine is rather shallow, just like composer Sir ALW himself, and everything in all of his shallow, mega-musical spectacles; which I loathe and detest with a passion.
Also
1 Phantom and Christine were never a couple in the original show
2 Raoul is TOXIC too....
How is Raoul toxic?
He gaslights Christine and manipulates her as bad as the Phantom does. He actually forces her to risk her life and dares to say that he fought so hard to free her in the final lair
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You could see Raoul as toxic for forcing Christine to perform DJT even though she terrified of what the Phantom will do.
@@erinwiggins1261 I would argue that this depends a lot on how the actors interpret the situation. The second act skips around a lot from scene to scene and there is room for interpretarion. I have seen Christines who are definitely more influenced by Raoul's idea, but more often I see them make a conscious choice to participate in the plan after their visit to the cemetery.
@@noemitamas4066 I’m not necessarily saying Raoul is or is not. But that’s the argument I’ve seen & heard. I certainly like him with Christine more than the Phantom. I never saw them as in love. I always thought you were supposed to root for Christine & Raoul.
I love the Phantom and Christine best chemistry in the entire cast. Gaston isn't really a villian the Beast is. I'm such a shipper of both of them.
The thumbnail looks like it was AI-generated… was it?
Nope! We hire a graphic designer :)
Raoul is toxic too
The very first scene where he dismissed every one of Christine's concerns always makes me cringe!