I've always referred to KOTOR as "Baby's first CRPG". It's a great casual intro to some of the basic functions of a CRPG dressed up as an action-based Star Wars game. It got me into the genre.
Temple of elemental evil by Atari is leaps and bounds the most authentic feeling and playing D&D game ever made. The original release is a buggy unplayable rushed mess,however with some really great mods (circle of 8),have made this my favorite rpg ever made.
Divine Divinity is one I played years ago. I never beat it but got far into it. I play for a minutes every now and again, I just often forget about it.
Fallout 2. Period. Close quarters burst fire in Fallout 1 was a huge shock to me as an innocent 12 year old who hasn't really played games with gore of this detail. I love that game too. But it's clunky. Fallout 2... I had this ritual for over a decade where I would sit down once every six months, pick a new build / concept, and play through it in one sitting. (Often without sleep in-between. And no, I wasn't speedrunning.) I love the world and I love the game itself. I've played it three times this year, it has a lot of great ease-of-use mods out there, the Restoration project and the EPA is amazing - I had literal nightmares after the EPA, it feels like a horror game -, and some excellent quality total conversion mods too. I love the tone of Fallout 1 much more than the silliness of Fallout 2, but mechanically 2 works sooooo much more. Also, Fallout 1.5 marries the best of the two worlds. Highly recommended. On KotOR vs. KotOR II: I've played through this game so many times, I no longer mind Peragus / Telos. Am I suffering from Stockholm syndrome?
Nice list. Couple of things: I got Divine Divinity from GOG quite recently and I had no problems at all running it. It is a blast. From the past maybe but it's still a blast. I agree the default level scaling in Oblivion is awful - every enemy gets level matched to you and over a the length of the game this makes it feel really bland and boring. However there is a classic mod, I believe it's called Obscuro's mod or something like that, which sets fixed enemy levels throughout. This massively improves the game IMHO. Not only does it make the early game super exiting as even some passing bandit might terminate your game with extreme prejudice but it let's you lay waste to monsters wholesale in seconds late game when you probably feel like you just want to get on with it already and you've earned your power.
KOTOR is interesting story for me. I am about same age as you so i grew up with 1 and 2 as well, and have played 1 through a million times, but whenever i play 2 I just get burned out. I used to hate the intro sections to 2, but it has flipped a lot for me, the ONLY part I enjoy playing is the mining facility, i think it builds tension really well and has a fascinating mini story that then unfolds in an fun slow roll. But then you get to the main plot and the game just feels oppressively drab, I actually like dark settings and tone, but KOTOR 2 just always gives me a massive feeling of "why bother", its no longer a galaxy worth fighting for, I have the same issue with a lot of Fallout settings(new vegas works though). I need a hope to cling onto, or apathy overwhelms. Short: I think the mining facility is really well done, I get why its not fun if you want to get to the actual game, but if you play it for its own story and entertainment i makes a great few hour romp. (also, tbh, the gameplay in both is just too simple to satisfy on an intellectual level these days, so the story/setting/characters really has to do the work)
I have to admit to a special fondness for Fallout 2. I prefer it to the first Fallout because I think 2 has more depth and breadth. Also, there are some very good mods for the game that have restored cut content. My favorite FO2 character has to be Clarissa. She was a charisma build with the sex-appeal and porn star perks who liked to surround herself with big beefy companions. Whenever combat was about to happen, I always imagined her saying 'Boys?' before ducking quickly behind them as the shooting and bone-breaking commenced. I also see her and her boys tooling about the countryside in that big land barge of a car in the passenger's seat with her feet up on the dash, filing her nails. The classics allow you to make up these character stories in a way many modern games don't.
Great list. The one title that sticks out for me is Oblivion. The rest of the list just stands head and shoulders above this one. It is all opinion at the end of the day, but just from RPGs released around that same time, I'd probably choose Neverwinter Nights over TES6. But the early 2000s really were a heyday for CRPGs. Icewind Dale, Freedom Force, Deus Ex. A lot to choose from. Easily hundreds of hours of what I'd consider (even by modern standards) unforgettable gaming.
Top 5, no order, having a wide understanding of RPG and highly influenced by nostalgia: Kotor 2 (Actually enjoyed Jade Empire as well) Fable Lost Chapters TES: Morrowind Zelda Majoras Mask Mass Effect 2 Honorable Mentions: DoS 2 Gothic 2 Dragon Age Origins TES: Oblivion + Skyrim
I adore the Kotor games, and unpopular opinion I actually think peragus is a great intro due to the tone and feel that it sets up since it is darker and oppressive which works for 2. As a kid I just wanted to skip to when I could have a light saber, but I think being older has given me a much greater appreciation for what each game does best.
Good list as always :). If you like 3.5 games, you might also enjoy Atari's Temple of Elemental Evil. It's similar to their Vampire game in that the base game benefits hugely from mods (especially Circle of 8 Modpack), but has a lot of great content from a classic D&D module. It's also one of the few classic turn based D&D games. Also good for isometric fun: the Avernum series: indy turnbased rpgs with a lot of deep story and worldbuilding, and some interesting choices along the way. Jeff Vogel, the creator of these, has been releasing rpgs largely developed solo since you and I were little kids :)
Mine are: 1. Arcanum 2. Wizardry 8 3. Might and Magic 7 4. Baldurs Gate 2 5. Fallout 2 Some that could easily be top 5: Planescape Torment, VTMB, and Deus Ex.
Have you tried out "Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura"? I don't find it in your video list. It's definetly a classic cRPG, with quite the interesting characters development mechanics and story: recommended. Thanks for your videos!
In my classic RPG I'd definitely put in my n. 1 spot, final fantasy (from 7 to X). The are also other RPG, like fable or sacred which are worth mentioning
I want to go back and give Elder Scrolls Oblivion another chance. I last played it when I was young and I was coming off from playing jrpgs like Legend of the Dragoon and Final Fantasy (insert favorite here). So I was use to rather strict guidance and very mild exploration compared to the elder scrolls games.
Great video, a lot of these I’ve played and loved. I haven’t tried KOTOR 1 yet.. I actually installed it last night. Did you use any mods when playing it?
Pool of Radiance and Ultima V are the two pivotal games in my gamer development. I played both religiously for years. I have tried to play both, but they are clunky compare to modern games like Wrath and DOS II.
I'm actually surprised you didn't enjoy the more "High Fantasy" from BG2 opposed to BG1 since you are a fan of Pathfinder. It is one of the main things I don't enjoy about the Pathfinder universe. Leans waaaay too much into the power fantasy and doesn't feel grounded. My fav classics by series are: 1. Ultima Series (9 is really bad though) 2. Quest for Glory (This is a RPG lite though) 3. Baldur's Gate Series 4. PS: Torment 5. Lands of Lore (Dungeon Crawler) Honorable Mention: Betrayal at Krondor
I have only played Kotor I and Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines from your list, but I have to say both of those are fucking amazing! (Played them last year for reference) With that said I need to play them again, and also play the others on this list as well as many more games such as Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 and Icewind Dale 1 and 2 to name very few.
Morrowind is the only ES game I have ever finished. I had one try at Oblivion right after beating Morrowind, but I guess that was too much ES in row =P Couple tries at Skryim, but none too long I think. Both VtM games mentioned in back to back videos! Very Halloweeny I agree, choosing between KotOR is tough, but first one is better choice for classics video. I think I might make another playthrough soon ^_^
KOTOR is much more accessible to new players than a typical isometric CRPG and was available for the original Xbox. Fights are more weighted towards RNG than in-depth knowledge of D&D 3.5 and almost everyone in North America knows what basic Star Wars lore is (compared to, say, Forgotten Realms or Golarion).
Have you played many of the earlier generation of RPG’s to these? Ones like the Ultima series, the SSI D&D ones, Dungeon Master, or Bards Tale? In all fairness they’ve generally not aged that well and are pretty clunky, all those you’ve listed are better games,
I know that the fan consensus is on your side but I never understood the Peragus hate, I vastly prefer KOTOR 2 and Peragus is one of my favorite planets in the entire game. Such an immersive, creepy opening. It's also the only part of the game that can be kind of challenging, even on the hardest difficulty the rest of the game is pretty easy as is the case for Kotor 1 (in my experience of course)
Story wise I like it, the problem is it's way too long. They should've cut down a lot of the running around corridors and cut the length by half and it still would've been easily two hours long
Maybe it's because I've replayed it so much but I don't feel it's length the way you're describing. Hard to look at it objectively when I've probably run through Peragus over 20 times in my life but I DO know that I liked it even as a kid 🤷
If you liked the BG1 so much, why show the BG1EE ? My hint to, if you like the BG(EE) games, why not use mods, like the EET that makes the BG1EE, BG1EE:SoD and BG2EE into one, continous game. Of if you liked the ToB version more, play the BGT-weidu.
Love the channel, keep it up! But, I find it strange you prefer BG1 here over BG2, because in your BG2 review you specifically state that you enjoy the high-fantasy content... are you sure you're not mixing up your BGs? ;) anyways can't go wrong with either of them.... "Go for the eyes, Boo. GO FOR THE EYES! RrraaaAAGHGHH!!!".
5. Fallout 1 4. BG1 3. Arcanum 2. Morrowind 1. Planescape Torment None of these are actually classics for me as I was 18 when Fallout / BG1 came out but these are my most favorite crpgs of all times. Real classics kind of suck actually, like the gold box series or the EOBs or even the Ultimas, never really liked them to be honest. I played TES:Arena when it was new and it was so bad that it made me skip the much better second game (Daggerfall). It ran terribly on my 486DX2 and the game was super boring and repetitive.
I had you down as being older than 30, does that mean you missed out on all the SSL 'Gold box' games? (Pools of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Countdown to Doomsday etc)? They were my gateway to CRPGs
I personally like the Peragus level in KOTOR II. There is this uncanny degree of mystery and horror to this nearly abandoned space facility, but I can see why this is a turn off to many.
@MortismalGaming That's too bad. It's a good bit of fun so far. On a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to get into Baldur's Gate 1&2, Pathfinder, or the Diablo games if you don't have any knowledge of D&D?
Ι got Divine Divinity to run but, even though I really liked the aesthetics and the environmental interaction options, I just wasn't enjoying it very much and I left it, because I hate pixel hunting. Most games are clunky in some way, and it's a matter of their clunkiness not pushing your particular buttons. Kind of like humans and relationships. I gotta say, out of all the games I haven't liked, Divine Divinity and DOS2 are the ones I wish I had the most.
Just one remark with latest official patch for Vtmb game has no critical issues and can be finished. Also latest unofficial patches brings to game too much stuff and first walkthrough better to do with official 1.2 version.
Unless it has wildly changed since I last played, the unofficial path lets you choose between vanilla and the 'plus' content. Starting with the vanilla playthrough gives you a better sense of how the game was originally intended to function at release. The unofficial patch definitely smooths out performance and crash issues.
What even is a "Classic rpg" because this list is extremely varied. Both oblivion and balders gate are rpgs but you wouldn't say they're the same type of rpg
Title may be a bit confusing, but Mort specified at the begining that games are of different subgenres, so that means that you should equal Classic RPG to Classic Game, not to modern definition of CRPG.
30? Whippersnapper. I'm 51. Lol Morrowind over Oblivion for me. The level scaling of the latter is *much* more annoying than the dice roll of Morrowind. I had to patch that level nonsense right out to even enjoy Oblivion. Also, the dumbing down...erm...."streamlining" of the franchise starts with Oblivion. Agree on KOTOR over TSL. In no small part because not only is Peragus terrible, but TSL was simply never finished. I'll add Arcanum. Though you have to get the fan patches for it to even run. And nowadays my next gen laptop won't even accept all the emulation and backward compatibility necessary to run it. So, like Masquerade...*if* you can get it to run, it's amazing. Also Fallout 2, with the fan patches I *can* make this run. And it's simply the best Fallout game. And it's not even close.
GoG version of Arcanum works perfectly even on top of the line modern PCs. F2 worked with moderate success (few crashes here and there) even when i installed it from CD. Technically TSL got finished when updated version was released (and TSLRC mod was fully integrated on engine level). Story and lore wise i like TLS more, but first game is more in line with classic SW movie.
1. Planescape Torment. I mean really, what can change the nature of a man? 2. Dark Sun: Shattered lands 3. BG2 4. Bard's Tale 2 5. Pool of Radiance honorable mention: Star Control 2, Icewind Dale 2
1. Arcanum.
2. VtMB.
3. Planescape Torment.
4. BG 1.
5. Fallout 2.
What I wouldn't give for another Arcanum. Zipping around the map via teleportation as a mage was the best.
Almost the same although I prefer BG2 more.
I've always referred to KOTOR as "Baby's first CRPG". It's a great casual intro to some of the basic functions of a CRPG dressed up as an action-based Star Wars game. It got me into the genre.
Temple of elemental evil by Atari is leaps and bounds the most authentic feeling and playing D&D game ever made. The original release is a buggy unplayable rushed mess,however with some really great mods (circle of 8),have made this my favorite rpg ever made.
Divine Divinity is one I played years ago. I never beat it but got far into it. I play for a minutes every now and again, I just often forget about it.
Every time someone prefers Kotor 1 over 2, it's always because of the intro. Which, valid, tbh.
I've also tried a couple times to play Baldur's Gate but honestly, even on lower difficulties, it just kicks my ass.
Fallout 2. Period.
Close quarters burst fire in Fallout 1 was a huge shock to me as an innocent 12 year old who hasn't really played games with gore of this detail. I love that game too. But it's clunky.
Fallout 2... I had this ritual for over a decade where I would sit down once every six months, pick a new build / concept, and play through it in one sitting. (Often without sleep in-between. And no, I wasn't speedrunning.) I love the world and I love the game itself. I've played it three times this year, it has a lot of great ease-of-use mods out there, the Restoration project and the EPA is amazing - I had literal nightmares after the EPA, it feels like a horror game -, and some excellent quality total conversion mods too.
I love the tone of Fallout 1 much more than the silliness of Fallout 2, but mechanically 2 works sooooo much more. Also, Fallout 1.5 marries the best of the two worlds. Highly recommended.
On KotOR vs. KotOR II: I've played through this game so many times, I no longer mind Peragus / Telos. Am I suffering from Stockholm syndrome?
Nice list. Couple of things: I got Divine Divinity from GOG quite recently and I had no problems at all running it. It is a blast. From the past maybe but it's still a blast. I agree the default level scaling in Oblivion is awful - every enemy gets level matched to you and over a the length of the game this makes it feel really bland and boring. However there is a classic mod, I believe it's called Obscuro's mod or something like that, which sets fixed enemy levels throughout. This massively improves the game IMHO. Not only does it make the early game super exiting as even some passing bandit might terminate your game with extreme prejudice but it let's you lay waste to monsters wholesale in seconds late game when you probably feel like you just want to get on with it already and you've earned your power.
GoG definitely does good work optimizing and repackaging older games to run on new hardware :)
GoG works with modders quite often to integrate crucial compability mods into classics releases if there is no official adaptation for modern PCs.
KOTOR is interesting story for me. I am about same age as you so i grew up with 1 and 2 as well, and have played 1 through a million times, but whenever i play 2 I just get burned out. I used to hate the intro sections to 2, but it has flipped a lot for me, the ONLY part I enjoy playing is the mining facility, i think it builds tension really well and has a fascinating mini story that then unfolds in an fun slow roll.
But then you get to the main plot and the game just feels oppressively drab, I actually like dark settings and tone, but KOTOR 2 just always gives me a massive feeling of "why bother", its no longer a galaxy worth fighting for, I have the same issue with a lot of Fallout settings(new vegas works though). I need a hope to cling onto, or apathy overwhelms.
Short: I think the mining facility is really well done, I get why its not fun if you want to get to the actual game, but if you play it for its own story and entertainment i makes a great few hour romp.
(also, tbh, the gameplay in both is just too simple to satisfy on an intellectual level these days, so the story/setting/characters really has to do the work)
Wish there was a company dedicated to patch old games for playability and posterity.
I think my favorite classic CRPG is Betrayal at Krondor. Great story, great characters, ground soundtrack, good gameplay.
I have to admit to a special fondness for Fallout 2. I prefer it to the first Fallout because I think 2 has more depth and breadth. Also, there are some very good mods for the game that have restored cut content. My favorite FO2 character has to be Clarissa. She was a charisma build with the sex-appeal and porn star perks who liked to surround herself with big beefy companions. Whenever combat was about to happen, I always imagined her saying 'Boys?' before ducking quickly behind them as the shooting and bone-breaking commenced. I also see her and her boys tooling about the countryside in that big land barge of a car in the passenger's seat with her feet up on the dash, filing her nails. The classics allow you to make up these character stories in a way many modern games don't.
Great list. The one title that sticks out for me is Oblivion. The rest of the list just stands head and shoulders above this one.
It is all opinion at the end of the day, but just from RPGs released around that same time, I'd probably choose Neverwinter Nights over TES6. But the early 2000s really were a heyday for CRPGs. Icewind Dale, Freedom Force, Deus Ex. A lot to choose from. Easily hundreds of hours of what I'd consider (even by modern standards) unforgettable gaming.
The old strategy game: Masters of Magic
Came out for win10, fan DLC/update pack included!
This older than the card game Magic the Gathering.
Thanks. Made me want to go back and play both of the Baldur's Gate games.
Top 5, no order, having a wide understanding of RPG and highly influenced by nostalgia:
Kotor 2 (Actually enjoyed Jade Empire as well)
Fable Lost Chapters
TES: Morrowind
Zelda Majoras Mask
Mass Effect 2
Honorable Mentions:
DoS 2
Gothic 2
Dragon Age Origins
TES: Oblivion + Skyrim
I adore the Kotor games, and unpopular opinion I actually think peragus is a great intro due to the tone and feel that it sets up since it is darker and oppressive which works for 2. As a kid I just wanted to skip to when I could have a light saber, but I think being older has given me a much greater appreciation for what each game does best.
Good list as always :). If you like 3.5 games, you might also enjoy Atari's Temple of Elemental Evil. It's similar to their Vampire game in that the base game benefits hugely from mods (especially Circle of 8 Modpack), but has a lot of great content from a classic D&D module. It's also one of the few classic turn based D&D games. Also good for isometric fun: the Avernum series: indy turnbased rpgs with a lot of deep story and worldbuilding, and some interesting choices along the way. Jeff Vogel, the creator of these, has been releasing rpgs largely developed solo since you and I were little kids :)
Temple is amazing.
I touted Toee in the comments before scrolling down...oops
@@mitchc6059 More the merrier, glad to see other fans of the game and circle of 8 :)
Played through Bloodlines again for first time in a couple of years, still damn good. :D
Mine are:
1. Arcanum
2. Wizardry 8
3. Might and Magic 7
4. Baldurs Gate 2
5. Fallout 2
Some that could easily be top 5: Planescape Torment, VTMB, and Deus Ex.
LOVE VTMB, I want a sequel to it more than any other game which is saying alot because I'm a fallout fanboy
Have you tried out "Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura"?
I don't find it in your video list. It's definetly a classic cRPG, with quite the interesting characters development mechanics and story: recommended.
Thanks for your videos!
In my classic RPG I'd definitely put in my n. 1 spot, final fantasy (from 7 to X). The are also other RPG, like fable or sacred which are worth mentioning
The infinity engine games were the goat. Loved all of them, I would recommend Icewind Dale 1 and 2 very fun dungeon crawlers.
@@jeremyalexander135 that's a fair assessment.
I loved Morrowind and you can get mods to change the Dice roll hits
Totally agree about BG1 in comparison with BG2.
I want to go back and give Elder Scrolls Oblivion another chance. I last played it when I was young and I was coming off from playing jrpgs like Legend of the Dragoon and Final Fantasy (insert favorite here). So I was use to rather strict guidance and very mild exploration compared to the elder scrolls games.
"I'm pushing 30."
You're adorable, still a baby.
Great video, a lot of these I’ve played and loved. I haven’t tried KOTOR 1 yet.. I actually installed it last night. Did you use any mods when playing it?
I've never used mods and its run fine for me. It is old though so if you're into mods I'm sure good ones exist.
Pool of Radiance and Ultima V are the two pivotal games in my gamer development. I played both religiously for years. I have tried to play both, but they are clunky compare to modern games like Wrath and DOS II.
Bag+1
No planescape?
Great story, but actually playing it leaves a lot to be desired
I'm actually surprised you didn't enjoy the more "High Fantasy" from BG2 opposed to BG1 since you are a fan of Pathfinder. It is one of the main things I don't enjoy about the Pathfinder universe. Leans waaaay too much into the power fantasy and doesn't feel grounded.
My fav classics by series are:
1. Ultima Series (9 is really bad though)
2. Quest for Glory (This is a RPG lite though)
3. Baldur's Gate Series
4. PS: Torment
5. Lands of Lore (Dungeon Crawler)
Honorable Mention: Betrayal at Krondor
I have only played Kotor I and Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines from your list, but I have to say both of those are fucking amazing! (Played them last year for reference) With that said I need to play them again, and also play the others on this list as well as many more games such as Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 and Icewind Dale 1 and 2 to name very few.
Morrowind is the only ES game I have ever finished. I had one try at Oblivion right after beating Morrowind, but I guess that was too much ES in row =P Couple tries at Skryim, but none too long I think.
Both VtM games mentioned in back to back videos! Very Halloweeny
I agree, choosing between KotOR is tough, but first one is better choice for classics video. I think I might make another playthrough soon ^_^
Fallout 1 is what I think of an rpg and never been remade at least once
Damn, you already know some games are about to be reinstalled after seeing that footage YESSIR!
Oblivion on the 360 is the first game i 100%, all trophies.
KOTOR is much more accessible to new players than a typical isometric CRPG and was available for the original Xbox. Fights are more weighted towards RNG than in-depth knowledge of D&D 3.5 and almost everyone in North America knows what basic Star Wars lore is (compared to, say, Forgotten Realms or Golarion).
Have you played many of the earlier generation of RPG’s to these? Ones like the Ultima series, the SSI D&D ones, Dungeon Master, or Bards Tale? In all fairness they’ve generally not aged that well and are pretty clunky, all those you’ve listed are better games,
@@jeremyalexander135 Forgotten Realms Archive - my only cd-roms that survived time
Great list , i replace divinity game with Fallout 1 & 2 but other than that , great list = )
baldur's gate 1... in a time when bioware was still a game company
I know that the fan consensus is on your side but I never understood the Peragus hate, I vastly prefer KOTOR 2 and Peragus is one of my favorite planets in the entire game. Such an immersive, creepy opening. It's also the only part of the game that can be kind of challenging, even on the hardest difficulty the rest of the game is pretty easy as is the case for Kotor 1 (in my experience of course)
Story wise I like it, the problem is it's way too long. They should've cut down a lot of the running around corridors and cut the length by half and it still would've been easily two hours long
Maybe it's because I've replayed it so much but I don't feel it's length the way you're describing. Hard to look at it objectively when I've probably run through Peragus over 20 times in my life but I DO know that I liked it even as a kid 🤷
1. KOTOR 1,2
2. Dragon Age : Origins
3. Pathfinder 1,2
4. Divinity Original Sin 2
5. Fallout 1,2
6. Fable the lost chapters
Nice list!
Clive Barkers Undying, SS2, Arx, Dues Ex
If you liked the BG1 so much, why show the BG1EE ?
My hint to, if you like the BG(EE) games, why not use mods, like the EET that makes the BG1EE, BG1EE:SoD and BG2EE into one, continous game. Of if you liked the ToB version more, play the BGT-weidu.
Love the channel, keep it up! But, I find it strange you prefer BG1 here over BG2, because in your BG2 review you specifically state that you enjoy the high-fantasy content... are you sure you're not mixing up your BGs? ;) anyways can't go wrong with either of them.... "Go for the eyes, Boo. GO FOR THE EYES! RrraaaAAGHGHH!!!".
5. Fallout 1
4. BG1
3. Arcanum
2. Morrowind
1. Planescape Torment
None of these are actually classics for me as I was 18 when Fallout / BG1 came out but these are my most favorite crpgs of all times. Real classics kind of suck actually, like the gold box series or the EOBs or even the Ultimas, never really liked them to be honest.
I played TES:Arena when it was new and it was so bad that it made me skip the much better second game (Daggerfall). It ran terribly on my 486DX2 and the game was super boring and repetitive.
I had you down as being older than 30, does that mean you missed out on all the SSL 'Gold box' games? (Pools of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Countdown to Doomsday etc)? They were my gateway to CRPGs
Hit and miss, I've played some of them
Have you played Arcanum? What are your thoughts on the game?
@@dracowar6 It's pretty well-known among majority of people loving classic rpgs i'd say
I personally like the Peragus level in KOTOR II. There is this uncanny degree of mystery and horror to this nearly abandoned space facility, but I can see why this is a turn off to many.
I've recently started playing Divine Divinity, and I'm really enjoying it so far. Do you have any recommendations for games like it?
Not really, its a bit of a rare bird, nothing else quite like it specifically.
@MortismalGaming That's too bad. It's a good bit of fun so far. On a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to get into Baldur's Gate 1&2, Pathfinder, or the Diablo games if you don't have any knowledge of D&D?
I got Divine Divinity on Steam it runs fine, so does the game that precedes it.
KOTOR 1: better story, better opening.
KOTOR 2: better most everything else lol.
Ι got Divine Divinity to run but, even though I really liked the aesthetics and the environmental interaction options, I just wasn't enjoying it very much and I left it, because I hate pixel hunting. Most games are clunky in some way, and it's a matter of their clunkiness not pushing your particular buttons. Kind of like humans and relationships. I gotta say, out of all the games I haven't liked, Divine Divinity and DOS2 are the ones I wish I had the most.
You should play gothic 1 and 2.
Just one remark with latest official patch for Vtmb game has no critical issues and can be finished. Also latest unofficial patches brings to game too much stuff and first walkthrough better to do with official 1.2 version.
Unless it has wildly changed since I last played, the unofficial path lets you choose between vanilla and the 'plus' content. Starting with the vanilla playthrough gives you a better sense of how the game was originally intended to function at release. The unofficial patch definitely smooths out performance and crash issues.
What even is a "Classic rpg" because this list is extremely varied. Both oblivion and balders gate are rpgs but you wouldn't say they're the same type of rpg
Title may be a bit confusing, but Mort specified at the begining that games are of different subgenres, so that means that you should equal Classic RPG to Classic Game, not to modern definition of CRPG.
30? Whippersnapper. I'm 51. Lol
Morrowind over Oblivion for me. The level scaling of the latter is *much* more annoying than the dice roll of Morrowind. I had to patch that level nonsense right out to even enjoy Oblivion. Also, the dumbing down...erm...."streamlining" of the franchise starts with Oblivion.
Agree on KOTOR over TSL. In no small part because not only is Peragus terrible, but TSL was simply never finished.
I'll add Arcanum. Though you have to get the fan patches for it to even run. And nowadays my next gen laptop won't even accept all the emulation and backward compatibility necessary to run it. So, like Masquerade...*if* you can get it to run, it's amazing.
Also Fallout 2, with the fan patches I *can* make this run. And it's simply the best Fallout game. And it's not even close.
GoG version of Arcanum works perfectly even on top of the line modern PCs.
F2 worked with moderate success (few crashes here and there) even when i installed it from CD.
Technically TSL got finished when updated version was released (and TSLRC mod was fully integrated on engine level). Story and lore wise i like TLS more, but first game is more in line with classic SW movie.
@@lostsoulltd I've played updated TSL..I would not call that a finished ending. There are still gaping plot holes and a lack of real closure.
@@shawngillogly6873 ah, ending... that's completely different story and not something i would blame Obsidian for.
free comment.
1. Planescape Torment. I mean really, what can change the nature of a man?
2. Dark Sun: Shattered lands
3. BG2
4. Bard's Tale 2
5. Pool of Radiance
honorable mention: Star Control 2, Icewind Dale 2