10 things that leveled up my miniature painting!
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- 10 things that leveled up my miniature painting!
The 10 biggest things that made me a better painting in one video! Welcome to what is quite a personal video, after 20 years of painting, trying to find the most influential things to make me better was actually quite challenging. I leave them here in the hopes they can help you!
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10 things that leveled up my miniature painting!
The 10 biggest things that made me a better painting in one video! Welcome to what is quite a personal video, after 20 years of painting, trying to find the most influential things to make me better was actually quite challenging. I leave them here in the hopes they can help you!
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just subscribed to your channel bud.
Definitely agree that trying to explain what you're doing to other people helps you get better. Not only do you have to self examine what you're doing and thoroughly understand it but even when you're not painting you might be thinking about how to do x technique or x idea so you can present it better. It feels almost like you're still painting with your mind, even though there's no physical process happening.
Absolutely agree, thanks mate, also it makes me a bit nervous to see you watching my videos :D
With respect to wet palettes. The reason I use one is to be able to use as much paint as possible.
I'm not a quick painter, it'll take me 20 minutes to base coat something like a space marine arm.
If I use a dry palette, 90% of the paint I put on it has dried before I've used it.
If I use a wet palette, the only paint that doesn't get used is the 1 or 2% that sticks to the palette paper.
I'm not willing to burn through that much money.
Thats cool, and a fair point. We all use them for our own reason, I don't want to stop people using one, it's just an example is all based around the want for progression, if your priorities are different then the point I made is not relevant. Perfect example is a few people have said they are in Africa and painting without one is too frustrating. You do you mate, and thank you for watching!
I am only a beginner painter, so I can’t speak to skill development. I do live in an extremely arid climate, and things dry out very quickly. That paired with my indecisive nature means paint tends to dry out before I get a chance to fully use it. It’s interesting to hear your point about skill development and familiarity with paint. I think I’ll keep with my wet palette for now, especially if I only have a short window for painting. But I’ll look to incorporate some practice with a (dry) palette or tile to help me learn more about paint consistency.
I agree with his point that if you rely on a tool without understanding the tool or thinking about the tool or material then you can limit progression. That point is fair and perhaps many do use the wet palette and never think beyond it. But my counter is not to throw the tool away to force yourself to learn from scratch, my argument is to learn to use the tool correctly. You can learn paint consistency on a wet palette, and you can fail to learn paint consistency on a dry palette. It's not the tool that matters it's the tutor and the tutored.
Put less paint on your pallette so it doesn't dry up.
@@richcheckmaker9789 This is a good idea for colours from the bottle. Still figuring out mixes so don’t always have a particular recipe to recreate a colour I’ve stumbled into. It’s a good reminder though. I could take better notes about what colours I’m going to add to the cauldron.
As a beginner I've watched so many tips and tutorials on starting to paint that I've barely done any miniature painting. It's easy to get lost in trying to perfect a technique you don't even grasp yet.
Your video and tips is so simply laid out and insightful. I found it to be one of the most helpful in just making things so straight forward and reminding me why I got into the hobby.
I've been guilty of this, so many of us have.
It falls under "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good." Or for us beginners "Don't let good be the enemy of giving it a go."
This is awesome to hear, thank you!
You are absolutely correct. I have been painting for over fifty years and still spend too much time watching videos on how to paint! As commented, perfection is indeed the enemy and it’s really a matter of balancing actually painting and improving your technique as you go along.
I'm pretty sure Rosemary & Co make Artis Opus brushes.
Personally I think the single most important investment for any painter is a good chair to sit in. I'm 6ft 3, leaning over a desk was killing my back, I developed migraines because my chair was cheap (never had headaches before, so I thought I was seriously ill due to all the weird symptoms; nose bleeds, creaking/cracking muscles, huge general drop in energy, change in sleep patterns etc) and I was hunching over my desk. A good chair has helped with these issues.
They manufacture them, yes, but they aren't the same brushes.
Actually, the chair is an excellent point! I came at this from an improvement standpoint, not a health standpoint. I agree with you. The chair, alongside proper posture and behaviours, is huge as you really can get some nasty injuries from painting.
Thanks very much
Well said about practice not making perfect. I'm a long-term advocate of what I call "intentional practice." For instance, I learned to touch-type in my GCSEs when I was 14. We took speed and accuracy tests to measure our improvement. Over 30 years later I am still no faster or more accurate at typing despite "practicing" nearly every day. Practice alone just creates muscle memory and strengthens neural pathways. That includes your mistakes. When we unintentionally practice mistakes we reinforce those mistakes in our work. You have to set improvement goals and practice them in a very intentionally way to create improvement. This could be consistency of your paint, the correct use of volumetric highlights or whatever. It's about being deliberate choices tied toward a goal.
Great video. I only came across your channel recently and I can see you becoming a top influencer in my painting journey.
Thanks so much for the kind works. It's really an interesting subject in general, and one I think most people just tend to overlook.
LOOOOVE seeing P3 paints in your video 🙂
Thanks man, I love them as a brand, just such a nightmare to get!
Artis Opus brushes are made for them by Rosemary & Co
yep, I'm aware
The talk about explaining what your doing is very Richard Feynman, which always means you are on the right track.
Totally agree on the wet pallet. I find it has a time and place. But there’s other times I like using a tile because I have more control than I do with a wet pallet.
Great advice, thank you very much.
I really agree about the pallet. Using a wet pallet is nice but it definitely makes it harder to learn paint consistency. I also agree on the time part. Going on autopilot or painting within your comfort zone is only good for when you are trying to get something done quickly. But your never going to get better that way. The only way to progress is to challenge yourself and paint actively.
In France we have Prince August brushes , and they are the best for me !
About the wet pallet ,
I am pro musician since the 90s, and I see the same thing happening in my field .
A lot of young musicians have acces to the best tools right from the begining of their journey , but this is not always for the best .
I learnt music on a very crappy bass , and this long and hard time made that when at last I could play on a good bass I knew the important things , the fundamentals : the strings.
These strings are the "paint consistency" you are talking about.
Young guys use pedals , amps , effects and loopers before working 10k hours on the basis : the strings .
Other point : about being active when painting.
Obviously you are right there
I see once again a commun point with the practice of music and I just want to add a thing
I work my scales/arpeggios everyday .
This is kind of a "workout" , I dont do it on an active way, but just to warm up and developp muscle memory . For 1h
After this I am very Actively working music, very focused for 1 or 2h
And to finish I just enjoy by playing what I want for 30min.
I do the same routine when painting
A time to warm up by working on bases or terrain, simple things to warm up.
A time very serious on my miniature . No smartphone, no podcast, no music : only painting .
And a time of experiment on another mini , just to relax, try new paints or techniques while listening to a podcast or anything cool.
It works great !
Thanks for your advices !
I have been painting for about 25 years now, and never really had any tutoring. I used to be painting on and off, that there were sometimes couple months or more in between paint sessions, but i never really improved. A couple years ago i was in a bad spot mentally and to keep myself sane i started to improve my painting by experimenting more trying to see what works good and what not etc.
I'm not anywhere where it would win any prices, but there is definitely a huge improvement.
Since i started painting, when wet palettes weren'T really a thing i never really got accustomed to those. I mostly use them to store some black and white paint (i use acrylic paint bought from a paint store, because you always use a lot of that, and one tube lasts more than a year, but usually too much comes out of the tube), while i use the cardboard from GW buys as a palette to mix and all the other paints (for example anything for Warcry has multiple big cards in different languages, so i use the ones in the languages i don't speak) I use.
I'll bite on the wet pallette comment. As someone that lives in South Africa, a wet pallatte is essential because otherwise I'd literally be spending more time fighting drying paint than actually applying it. I also think that you can still learn about paint consistency while using a pallette, as long as you're in the space of conscious learning rather than just slapping paint on minis. 100% on the subsequent tip though!
This is a good point, and naturally, me being in the UK we don't see sunlight 364 days out of the year :D I would challenge though, if you spent more time fighting that drying point your understanding would still increase faster, and I said it slows down your learning opportunities, not stop them. So my point is still 100% relevant. Regardless, it's an interesting subject and I respect your opinion. I can't really argue too much though as I have never painted in South Africa. Thank you for watching, I really appreciate it!
I live in Florida and the humidity definitely dries my paints out quickly off a wet palette, but I use retarder medium when using a plastic well palette. Helps keep my paints going longer than they normally would.
Thank you sharing the info about painting models .l started watching people on TH-cam and I feel yours is more consistent with the way I paint.I will to watch your videos over all the others.I started charting my progress on my dungeons and dragon's projects and I feel I come a long way
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I always imagined that Florida would be really humid, and that would slow the drying of paint. As I’m writing this though, I’m guessing you mean that most indoor spaces are air conditioned, and that creates a low-humidity inside environment. Am I understanding correctly? Also appreciate the idea of using a retarder to slow drying.
@@AVspectre Yes, my apologies I didn’t explain that very well. The humidity would normally slow things down, but being so humid there aren’t many days where an A/C is not running which in turn causes the paints to dry way faster than they should. Even on a wet palette they dry quickly so using the slow drying retarder medium has been a huge benefit though the paper will still dry out so I always keep water and a pipette nearby to keep the paper wet when I see it starting to dry out in places.
This is an excellent video man, I really love how it's less product focused and more on how we can make innate and mindful changes to our mindset. Keep rockin.
I had my pitchfork ready as soon as you mentioned a wet palette, then I listened to your explanation. I didn't start using a wet palette until I had been painting for almost 2 years. It's obviously a great tool, but I never really thought about how much I already knew about about consistency; i.e. When I needed it thicker for a dryer application like overbrushing vs very wet for blending.
This is bang on, and my response was the same when I was introduced to the idea. I love my wet palette, you would have to pry it from my corpse befoore I give it up!
putting your progress in word is a known thing to do while programming, we call it rubber ducking, since the tactic is to have a rubber duck on your table and speak what you are doing to it, to see your logical fallacies or mistakes ^^ great video
Thanks for the info! That is forever what I am going to call it now :D Thanks so much for watching as well
I've been painting for two years now. And I think my most fortunate decision was to start learning with the cheap stuff. I'm talking about the $20 pack of 16 tubes at Michaels and the even more frugal 32 pack of apple barrel bottles. I used the shitty 12 pack of brushes with the plastic palette and I painted. And painted. And leaned into the suck. I learned how to dry brush and experimented with making different effects using it. And then after getting as good as I could with them, I moved to the next level. Learned about speed paints and started playing with them. Army Painter says do a white primer and just paint the one coat so I tried that. Then I read about using a zenithal prime to really influence one coat effect on your figures so I played around with that. And I picked up a more "professional" set of brushes (Wolf Bristle Brushes from Chronicle Cards). I don't know if it's a placebo effect, but I definitely feel more confident with these than my Artist Loft budget pack. I am definitely planning to go back to non speed paints so that I can work on my layering skills. But after two years of painting, I feel that focusing on fundamentals using budget materials helped me grow as an artist by leaps and bounds.
I think this is really fair, in fact I intend to do a video on starting the hobby on a budget. My only exception is the brushes, in my opinion they can cause more frustration early on with bad brushes. A lamp and brushes are my only recomendation when people first start out. I hate this culture that we have of needing to buy everything to be good at this hobby. Thanks so much for watching and your opinions on it!
For my level, wacking speedpaint on everything, cover everything with nuln oil, dry brush on some highlights and it looks like i know what im doing!
Genuinely surprise myself as to how good some look.
Nowhere near pro levels but beyond what I'd be happy with to get a mini to the table.
Great video my friend, agree on the brushes...took me a while but I found a nice set that works and is not so crazy expensive. Great tips.
Deak lamps are ok but you need 2 to help avoid shadows, however ideally with the right space bright but diffussed lighting is more effective. A couple light boxes are cheap and really help eliminate shadows and reflections off your miniature.
Totally agree. They're pretty easy to diy with a good fixture, bulb, cardboard, and diffusion material that can be as simple as a frosted shower curtain.
Couldn’t agree more! Good brushes and good light are the keys 👍
Awesome stuff as always ! Great to have a reminder of the little things we often forget!
Thanks mate
Community is super important. We have a group that zoomed over covid to keep us all on track. Now it’s more messenger but we sometimes meet up when we can. And wet have members that are interstate so we keep in touch with new and old friends.
Love my R&Co brushes, had a couple of series 7's and they have been a big disappointment, my lights are IKEA's angle poise lamps, two of them with daylight bulbs I think they were about £25 each.
Personally, my best investment as a painter ( I dont play the games) has been a 3d printer, being able to print a 2nd, 3rd or 4th copy of the same thing for pennies is a game changer for me.
Cool video. Lot of my own thoughts confirmed, maybe because i had guitar students myself and share point of view not only as someone who is learning something he dont know, but also someone who know how to teach something he know. Interesting and calm approach in different way than most tutorials. Found you while watching Zumikito and Lyla (only two channels i enjoy), you have my sub.
Thanks so much, I'm also a big fan of Zumi
I like painters with honest reviews and not marketing and propaganda, good job
Thanks very much!
Hey, fantastic video. I have been watching the "big name" mini painting channels for the last 6 months of my painting journey but yours just somehow clicked so much more with me. I think because if your "teacher" mindset and your point about doing things mindfully and talking through what you are doing as though you were teaching someone. I teach guitar and always say that but never thought to do it while painting which will be a game changer! Thank you so much mate. Would love to join your community and share tips and seek constructive feedback from like-minded people like yourself.
Thanks so much, this really is amazing to hear! Feel free to jump into the Discord and share some work!
Thanks for making this video! You gave me a lot of things to think about and to work on in my own painting!
Glad I could help!
Great vid. Thanks for sharing 👍👌
No problem 👍
Always good to hear your opinions, the community points resonate the most, nothing is more motivating that sharing with a similar crowd
Thanks mate, hope you're well!
@@phoenixminiatureart4193yeh all good, enjoyed the video.
I found a good wet pallette really helped with my paint consistency and made me more efficient.
If it works, then great!
now this is a real, honest, down to earth, realistic ++ EXCELLENT advice post. Just subscribed.
Thanks so much! I appreciate the support
Absolutely fantastic video...very thought provoking, and will be helpful to painters of all levels....Thanks for sharing
My pleasure!
First time coming across your channel and you’ve definitely earned another subscriber. Wonderful tips and truly humble energy. Now to binge watch your catalog of videos 😁
Thank you! don't judge the older ones too much :D
great video mate thanks
Awesome video with some really great points you don't hear in the sphere enough. So true on the wet palette thing, couldn't understand why I hated painting with new paint brands until i stopped using my wet palette because I had some new metallics to try. Thanks for the video!
Thanks so much, I'm glad you found it useful! Hopefully others do as well
Don't ever let anyone talk down your Painting the model you've painted is the best. You can do it. You've put time into it. You've put energy into it, so it's always a 10 Don't ever let anyone judge your painting unless it's for a painting competition, there's a birth. Second, the person judges your painting. They're an a****** instead. Look for constructive criticism. I'll conclude with something One of my art professors told me. The second you draw a perfect picture or paint a perfect picture that you see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Put your paintbrush or your pencil or pin down and never do it again. Cause you have achieved something no one else will ever achieve. What does that mean? You're always gonna find Problems since your model. You just want to get to happy. We're good enough.
I love this, I absolutely agree!
I've seen many people recommend the rosemary and co synthetic brushes and that's what I've started to try out
Great video mate it’s a hard thing to try and step yourself up and this video is spot on
Thanks so much mate, app
reciate it
Great video! Food for thought.
Glad you think so! Thank you!
The reason I understand my paint consistency is because of my wet palette
I just use Vallejo, Citadel and AK paints and I know how they all behave on the wet pallets when I don’t have a ticking clock over me on a tile or a dry pallete knowing I have to constantly keep topping the paint up
Great video, and a great selection of tips!
Thanks so much!
Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and expertise. I am a long term historical miniature painter, since my early teens and will be seventy next year 😂. I am still learning and can relate to what you are saying,
I am probably my worst enemy in terms of judging the standard of my painting and sometimes do have a rather negative attitude towards it. This will be reflected in my actually doing less painting. On occasion I feel like I might as well be painting a wall 🙁.
Production line painting for wargaming is possibly also one of the causes of this issue and so I have varied the scales of my miniatures to allow me to try to improve, for example using brighter colours for 10 & 15mm minis, which I find a particular challenge.
Thanks again for your advice and I have just subbed.
Cheers
Keith
I bloody love your work.
thanks so much
Terrifically helpful as always!
Thanks so much
An interesting range of tips to think about - thank you.
I need to paint more consistently so that I can use my time better. I often fall into the trap of waiting for a 3-4 hour window to magically open up. However, I've found that I focus better and make more general progress in smaller chunks of time. I think it comes down to the "conscious painting" you mention.
I just need to add to an earlier comment - I also live in South Africa and I've worked on a dry palette before, but being able to use a wet palette has really helped with some aspects of painting (like preserving mixed colours and wet blending). It also saves wasting some paint to quick drying which is helpful when we have to import our paints.
Thanks very much, thats fair enough.
@@phoenixminiatureart4193 I'm in no way attacking your point regarding being aware that some tools may be holding back one's progress. That's a really good piece of advice that I've never consciously thought about. I just thought I'd add to the discussion regarding using wet palettes in dry and hot climates.
Thank you!!!! I have been painting figures for 40 years on and off. I'm not particularly good at it due to the longish breaks in between, I can paint a good miniature. So I recently got a wet palate. I have used Citadel paints all my painting life but recently changed to AK paints. The AK don't seem to like it as the following day there is just pool of coloured water where the paint was (no the palate is not saturated) but I use it as I have been told time and again you 'have to'. I don't like it to be honest. I have to remind myself to use it, but I am much happier when I forget and just paint, so I think I need to learn the paints again. Now I know you are not saying ditch the palate, but what I am picking up is 'Don't do something just because someone says you should". I really enjoyed this refreshing video. Subbed.👍👍😉
For me a wet pellet is so I dont have to fight dying paint, rather deal with the opposite. Most the time its not above 40% humidity. And also, what on the palæet, most of the i use a clean sheet the day after
Really helpful video. I’ve paid for tuition and read and watched so many articles and videos but I think all of your points are valid and would help someone improve.
Great to hear, thanks so much!
Thank you for this video, very inspirational and, funnily, the second video I've seen in as many days to suggest removing use of the wet pallet to improve painting knowledge and capability.
Wondered if I could ask what camera you use when making your close up miniature painting videos? I'm keen to make my own (as u reflected re: teaching) but have really struggled finding a camera that works for this - really appreciate your thoughts (or link to a video you've already made on the matter! ❤)
I see where you’re coming from with use of a wet pallet, but for me it’s not for keeping consistency. I’m pretty slow at painting and I usually end up with dry paint before I finish what I’m doing. So if i’ve mixed a colour I need it to be usable until I’m finished because i may not be able to get it again
That's fair enough, but I would argue that the point is still relevant. If you had to keep mixing the paint, you would learn to re mix colours and not have the issue anymore. But its an interesting point. Thank you!
Likewise, plus the air in my city in most seasons is dry as hell. If I wasn't using a wet palette my paint wastage would be through the roof!
Great tips, even if some are considered by most to be controversial. Not for the "easy road" painter, to be sure, but your honesty is appreciated.
Thanks very much, really appreciate it!
I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing series 7 being super inconsistent lately. At the moment I'm mostly using 3 of them I bought 8-10 years ago over the 6 I've bought in the last 6 months because they're just not up to scratch
Yeah, last 3 years for me have been pretty shocking
Brushes as no1 - agree! Most progress I made was from gaining better brushes.
Light - agree!
Wet palette - interesting thought, but I like the process, so if I enjoy using it, I will (for me it is about the enjoyment, not the improvement done) - but you may be right...
Learning from mistakes is my ground rule for life, so... yes! (I love learning from my own experience, gaining knowledge my way). But seeking out the mistake - very interesting approach!
Readability - great advice! This is the point where I subscribed to the channel!
Surrounding by the right people is hard for an introvert... but I watch the right peoples' videos! :)
Teaching - I think on some level it is great. You instantly know if you understand the subject if you can explain it to someone (did it, but not with painting).
Painting consciously - I think I could use this advice... I'll try!
Thank You for this video!
Thanks so much! It's important that you do what you enjoy over anything else. I wouldn't expect to stop anyone using a wet palette
Interestingly, I stopped using a wet palette much when I started doing a lot of glazing. I'm at the point that I'm using incredibly pigmented paints almost exclusively, and mixing with different acrylic mediums. Not being able to control the water content isn't great, plus I'm painting on the couch normally and those thinner paints run so much!
You made some really interesting observations here; very valuable. You've given me something to think about. As an example, i don't get to paint much at the moment and it bothers me - having seen this, i think I should aim for 30 mins a day. Thanks.
Thats great to hear mate, thanks
Investing 150€ in a Neatfi lamp really changed my painting world. Can’t imagine using different lighting ever again.
Hey! Someone knew about Rosmary and Co. I have some of them brushes and they are awesome.
Yep, love them!
Love RoCo brushes, for the price they're a great brush and cheap enough to give a go.
Absolutely agree!
Great video, I'm new to miniature painting and this was very helpful. P.S. It took me way too long to figure out why the LED light was $ pounds and not weight pounds 🤦
I agree, I think the wet palette is for a more expert level, I don't control the consistency, I definitely can't use it with metallic paints and sometimes it takes away the consistency of normal paints, needing more than three coats for a base. In the end I took a step back and I'm not using them and I'm doing much better.
That stuff about the wet pallet is 100% true. Sadly, it took me years to figure this out on my own.
Just found this and a lot of good ideas to chew over.
Thanks so much!
Great video ❤
Thank you
I bought two Artis Opus size 2 and they were wildly different. One is really stumpy without a point. Luckily I was given a rebranded Da Vinci Maestro series 35 round (size 0) as a consolation for a delayed order. It’s perfect (for me), and is about the same size as a AO/W&N, and has a fantastic point on it.
I haven't tried the Da Vinci Maestros, I'll have a look
I don't think Wet pallets don't hinder your understanding of consistency thanks to lord of two coats thin Mr Rhodes I do use tiles aswel for some things good video with good advice 👍
Thaks very much!
Lovely video ❤
Lovely video? You've got great taste! Thanks for watching.
One mention to your lamp advise: I agree and one important thing to look at when your buying an LED Lamp is to check the color rendering index CRI of the bulb.
CRI measures the amount of different colors within a white mix color of a given color temperature. A CRI of 100 is an incandescent lamp, which renders all colors since it is light emission from black body radiation.
The actual details behind the calculus is explained very well on Wikipedia, but it is important to know that a CRI of 80 is achieved by most LED lights but this is by far not good. A CRI of 80 can be achieved by mixing up only red / orange and blue already - so green can be missed out almost entirely. If you have no green parts in your mix color white light, you will not see green color reflecting from your paint, i.e. your miniature will look different in daylight compared to when you painted it. The trickery with low CRI is particularly important for bright lamp, cause a brighter lamp appears more white to the human eye. You can get white light impression already from only a single color, if the light source is only bright enough.
So check the CRI, it should be at least 90, every higher number is better.
This is great info! Thank you!
Basic understanding of theory is also a must . The basics you can learn in an hour or so.
Agreed, but theory is a vague description. That encompases so much, it needs to be broken down much more, it would need it's own video, probabaly a few. I do agree with you though.
Amazing video :D
Thanks so much!
F#€king awesomeness! Good points all around. Thanks for that
Thank you
Ricky Gervais!! *cough cough*
Great vid, really enjoy listening to someone who is knowledgeable about their passion.
Thanks for listening
@phoenixminiatureart4193 I just put an order in for some Rosemary & Co S33 after watching this
You missed off buying a paint rack 😂 Great video!
Pfft 😄
I’m currently renovating and building my own studio for mini painting. Just for fun I am not a pro at all. But as for lighting would one good lamp be enough or would two be beneficial? Was actually thinking of putting in two of the same lumi task lamps you have mentioned but perhaps that’s overkill?
Personally, I've never needed more than one. But that also means I haven't tried 2, so I can't say for sure. As a cheapskate, I would recommend starting with 1 and see how you feel then.
@@phoenixminiatureart4193 true. Will do!
I'm very much a learner in the process of model painting, yet I have to agree with you on the impact of a wet pallet on understanding how paints work. Great video! Very helpful! Many Thanks!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Paint Consistency: Could not agree more. I shudder when I see people on the inter-tubes use paint form the pot straight to the mini. I base-paint and block in with a two or three two one mix over a airbrushed zen-base. Then I dilute 1 drop to 4-6-8 of water (depends on the paint colour alot and how transparent I wnat the glaze to be and on if its a 'stain' or very fine 'layer'. I carefully/diligently wipe off excess paint on 'artist water color paint paper' so there is no 'drop' on the brush but the paint is flowing off when I apply it. I use this and glaze all my volumes. I "literally" watch my paint dry before I move on (some times I help it with a phww phww or a dryer). That's how I do it YMMV. Possibly the only paint I don't dilute is very small 'spikels' of titanium white for a highlight 'dot". Maybe.
I got a wet palette and found... its not for me; I paint in the "french" way aka the Rackham Confrontation way, Jeremie Teboul glazing style ... its just the way I came up. It was big when I started and its what I wanted to replicate. So for my own way of painting what worked for me ... the wet palette just didn't work. My "paint" was far to 'glazey' and the wet-palette made it impossible to use paint the way I understood how to and also use the wet-palette at the same time. I use dish palettes, like for water painting or individual dish palettes like old timey enamel painters. Lots of the mod cons people say to use depends a lot on how 'you' do it. Another instance is this is my minis holders - the 'discarded' top of the laundry detergent. Yep the colored little cap. Its perfect the the price is right.
1st video of yours I've seen. Really enjoyed it.👍
I've zero artistic talent and limited learned ability, solely so I can play games.
Thanks very much, for what it's worth, I'm the same, my first miniatures looked like they were dipped in emulsion, anyone can be a great painter.
Loads of good info and a lot of it is not what you might expect, cheers
Thank you!
Rosemary and co are the manufacturers of artist opus brushes. Artist opus add some sick finishes and retail them.
They are the manufacturers, but they aren't the same brushes.
a great video. which lamp do you use? i cant find the info below. also subbed. thanks
cheers,
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thanks mate. @@phoenixminiatureart4193
Great video. Some really important topics covered that often get lost in all the click-bait bullshit of TH-cam mini painting videos.
Thanks so much
7:42 no and that will take a life time to learn given how many paints there are and how many techniquesthere are to learn so i'm just gonna carry on using a wet pallete and not worry about it. I mean it snto like its very hard to work out the first few time syou use a pallete how to get consistant consistancy so... yeah as a a beginner this hasn't been an issue for me at all.
I watched a video. You broke me. ❤
Wow, I'm impressed! 😄😄
I'm reading the comments to try to figure out what you mean about the wet palette. I don't understand how it could be a drawback and stop you from learning. What can you learn about paint on a tile that you can't learn from keeping it fresher longer on a wet? Failing to see a downside but I'm new so any help is appreciated:)
Thats ok, people keep seeing it as me saying it stops you from learning and that it's a bad thing. I'm not saying that at all, I use one and I wouldn't want to stop someone from using one. My point is though, you have to manage your paint on fewer occasions with a wet palette as it keeps you paint wet for longer. With a dry palette your paint dries faster meaning you have to manage your paint more often so you just have more opportunities for learning as you are having to manage and interact with your paint more often. So what i'm trying to say is your progression would be faster without a wet palette purely due to the fact you have to work with your paint more often and manage it more closely.
I do not in any way want to stop people using wet palettes, and I don't think they're bad at all. Hopefully that makes sense.
@@phoenixminiatureart4193 It does. What do you mean by working with your paint? I have limited experience and usually just use the cap upside down after shaking. It provides plenty of paint for a mini coat and so I don't have to "work" with it. I know there is a whole world I don't know and I thank you for trying to help people get better at such a fun hobby
No worries, when I say working with paint, i mean adding water, thickening the paint, testing the consistency, that sort of stuff.
@@phoenixminiatureart4193 thought so I just wanted to make sure. You rock!
Your advice on wet palettes is good, but it depends on a lot of environmental factors. At my place paint dries so fast on a regular palette that i barely get half an hour of working time with them. Thinning them with water or medium without any retarder actually makes it worse. With a wet palette I don't have to bother with the retarder.
But thats exactlymy point, If you had to keep working your paint every 10 minutes, it's more opportunity for learning, therefore you learn faster. As I said, I'm not saying everyone should do it, it's just an example of tools that slow your progression for the sake of making things easier.
@@phoenixminiatureart4193 I think the most important thing you're learning in that circumstance is the importance/usefulness of a wet palette. I think that constantly having to fight with paints drying out would slow down your learning instead of speeding it up. If your goal is to get better at running, stopping every 5 minutes to re-tie your shoes isn't making you a better runner.
Maybe i should give up on the wat pallet i fight it all the time, more then not the paint feels to thin to cover anything. So brands are like washed and some brand of paint are like clay and finding the balance is kind of tidies, yesterday I used some P3 Paint and it separated on the plate after only 15 min of painting. Tbh i just want to paint my army so they look amazing but not golden demon level. So i airbrush a lot and i dreed shaving to pick up a brush to paint with. Here we go again 1000 thin layers for 30 min to do that i can do with an airbrush in 1 sec. It has gone so far for me i mask my minis and o amazing transition if my air brush. So, that made me think maybe i should just try avoid the wet pallet i got one 4 years ago because everyone said to get one.
If it works for you then you should use it. I was only saying about it to try and demonstrate a point. If it's not working for you, I would absolutely at least try a different option.
Dont hate on my 10 dollar brush rinser i like having clean water :)
Most important thing any miniature painter should ask is if they want to be tabletop painter or display painter. The question may be answered after few years into the hobby, but it's the most crucial. Because if someone wants to paint cool looking models for the purpose of gaming, then 90% of knowledge, experience and techniques of best painters in the world are nothing more than worthless trash. I consider painting just one orc or Chaos Warrior for several hours to be nothing but a MASSIVE waste of time - and I don't care how perfect it'll be or how many Golden Daemons it will win for you. I have whole army to paint, friends waiting to kick butts with their armies and no time for fancy display bs.
So ask and answer this important question, because gaming painting and display painting are two totally different hobbies that in fact have very little in common (just like playing RPGs and collecting RPGs). You'll save yourself a lot of trouble and frustration knowing the difference.
I think that most of your advice are spot on for people who discovered that display painting is what they really want to do. For young hobbyists who are not sure (or aren't even aware of The Question yet), I think it's rather radical to advice them to buy good brushes. Good, high quality brushes are expensive. Before you learn how to properly use brushes, you will destroy a lot of them. So better let them stay with usual ones, before upgrading to something substantial.
This is a great comment. So let's get the negative out the way first, I don't agree about your point with brushes, but that's cool, I still respect your point.
As for your first point about display or tabletop! You're bang on, you don't need most of the information and I think too many people think they need to spend millions of hours painting for a tabletop force becausethey see masterpiecesonline. I have some army painting videos coming up for them!
In all seriousness, i appreciate your comment and I'm sure some people will find it useful! Thanks for watching!
You are a far better painter than I, so i can't comment overly. But this being the internet i have ....thoughts and opinions. I think its useful to know what you are painting for. What is the purpose of that little fellow?. To win Golden Daemon? I am nowhere near good enough to venture an opinion. To roll dice with? Then all that matters is Face/Base and tidy. At 3ft or so, it could be the best mini in the world and it will look the same as a contrast painted quick and easy job. Don't beat yourself up if your little chap (lol) isnt as impressive as somone elses (no subtext here lol) "Good Enough" shall be your mantra. The biggest way i have improved (to my lowly standard) is by going with a different figure company. After decades of painting marines and Titans and Eldar and skellys and gribbly aliens i recently swapped over to Infinity models. So much HARDER to paint. So much more tiny detail. Much more room for improvement. I have learned more tricks in a few years in Infinity than 40 years of GW stuff.
Also, paintbrushes. I agree that finding a good one is important. That said Windsor and Newton ARE GW brushes. They are the same ones. I would be suprised If Artist Opus (Element Games) arent also using Windsor and Newton. Any half decent brush made in the UK, is probably made by Windsor and Newton. Especially given Sable is politically problematic these days, there just arent many companies importing it or able to import it.
I really appreciate this reply. I absolutely agree with the entire first paragraph of this comment. And just to add, Infinity really do do amazing models, I need to paint some myself in the near future.
As for brushes, GW brushes were once rebranded Windsor and Newtons. They certainly aren't anymore, im afraid.
As for Artis Opus, they are made by Rose and Co, but aren't the same brushes, just made by the same company.
I almost audibly CHEERED when you mentioned the flaws of the grind approach to "practice makes perfect". Practice is how you reinforce the things you learn from study and experimentation. Without that step, practice just makes you faster rather than better.
Absolutely, this is a really great way of explaining it. You can write my script next time 😄
the wet pallet point misses the mark. It's a wisdom issue. One can use a wet pallet and still understand consistency. Living in a dry, no humid environment, the wet pallet actually helps you not dry out in 5 minutes. I'd say the point is to spend time trying to understand your paint consistency and not think tools make one great. :) Otherwise, love the video, thanks!
Kinda agree on the wet palette.
I find it very useful for glazing, having access to all the paint used for an extended length of time, but not every project NEEDS a wet palette
K&S brushes are unfortunately banned in the US. :(
Won't be long before they are banned over here, I am desperately trying to find an alternative
Link for your lamp please
It's in the description
My Citadel brushes were very disappointing
Eyyyy dont knock dry pallettes. They have their uses, especially with the layer paints that often need 0 thinning.
Did I knock dry pallettes?
@@phoenixminiatureart4193 nah. Thumbnails just abit misleading lol you actually knocked wet pallettes!! Lolol but I do agree with your critisms for the exact same reasons I said don't knock dry pallets haha
One quick thing. Maybe after coming back to painting after a year you just had an extra year experience hahah😅
fine tip but stubby length for me...as the dude said 'That's just your opinion man.'
Absolutely, thanks for watching!
I LOVE HAVING CLEAN WATER AT A TOUCH OF A BUTTON, GREAT GIZMO HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT WORKS GREAT FOR MINIATURES, MODEL PAINTING, AND ASIAN CALLIGRAPHY... if you can't see the value in having clean water to wash your brushes, your already lost before you have begun. :o/
Sorry, I couldn't hear you, would you mind typing louder?....