@@janets6474Agreed!!! It’s surprising - appalling - to me how pain in horses is overlooked and/or chalked up to ridiculous things like obstinance or stubbornness.
@mcdart2606 Couldn't agree more. While I owned my horse boarding facility, we had some really nice horses. My expertise was their care. I noticed the slightest things from digestion issues to back or joint problems. But a trainer comes to give lessons, it was ALWAYS the horse is being bad or the rider wasn't doing something right. It was painful to watch. I was able to convince many owners of what I believed was a potential issue and get the vet out to check the horse. There was NEVER a situation that was because the horse simply misbehaved. Animals are honest. They are telling us. The true horseman is the one that can listen. Trainers just walked away until the next week to make their next dollar. It's not about the money. Well, it shouldn't be. It's about the well-being and health of the animal. If it can't do the work or doesn't like the work, the animal suffers and eventually the owner. The rewarding thing for me was how many people actually responded positively to looking at things differently. We ended up helping so many horses and riders to be the best they could be. Most of the time, it wasn't in the show ring but the simple joy of the journey.
What’s wrong with you people??? Have you ever competed at that level??? I think he handled it very well according to the situation. All you can do is point your fingers at something that’s so far out of your reach! Time to shut it!!!!????
@hasiplaetzchen It has become a say of the, what you would consider the simple people when the Dressage "world" started to embrace greed, power, and abuse. If a person doesn't want to be critiqued, stay out of the ring. We are sick of abuse. This isn't nearly as bad as some. But the rider here stuck those spurs into that horse, clamped his legs around the horse, and "forced" him. That, by definition, IS NOT Dressage!
What an absolutely incredible horse.... Fabulous rhythm and incredibly smooth transitions.....poor boy with the spooky Christmas trees and Well done that rider....brilliant. Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
Habe den Ritt vor Ort gesehen, ganz toll. Auch wenn Famoso's Schreckmoment Benjamin m.M. nach Platz 1gekostet hat, haben sich beide direkt wieder super konzentriert. Eine Freude, dieses Paar zu sehen, alles Gute und sicher viel Erfolg in der Zukunft !
I used to like reading comments to train my eyes, to be better. But sometimes I wonder, what is good enough for nowadays Dressagehub followers. I see a rider with very good seat, very light and kind hand and also quit soft legs aids. There is no kicking. Also I see a horse relaxed in his face and mouth, with opened neck and nose right on the vertical, not behind. The horse freaked out twice, at the same place but always from the different side. The rider did not panic and handled the situation, his horse got back to the aids. Is this really abuse? Indeed?
@@kendallelizabeth1168 It is necessary to read the description as you point out but with a title like DressageDisaster: it is just click bait and very unfortunate...I think we have to be so careful not to 'cry wolf' or suggest there is abuse when there is none such that when there is, there is no need to question it.
I hate this being called a "fail" and it feels really clickbaity as that's not what happened. There was obviously something the horse was really spooked about in that corner. The rider pulled him together without being nasty about it and the horse was doing well, but spooked again when asked to go back to the corner. Hands up anyone who hasn't had a horse do that on them? It was nice to see the rider keeping calm and not punishing the horse over it.
Lovely little thoroughbred type horse.. Something truly startled him and rider skillfully avoided a meltdown while carrying on and getting back on track. Well ridden.
Ja, diese Spiegelreflexkameras mit highpitchsound sind verboten Ggf. hat Presse Haftpflichtversicherung für diesen Lohnausfall...welches Gerät war es nicht?
Trouble is when somebody says a horse is lame in the comments the more i watch the lamer the horse gets! He has soft hands and i really can't make any real judgement here.
Just looked like people were moving about on both occasions which caught the horse's attention. Sympathetically handled and the horse went back to concentrating almost immediately both times.
Auch wenn das Pferd irgendwelche " Gespenster" sieht reagiert sein Reiter sehr einfühlsam und positiv unterstützend. Ganz toll geritten und souverän abgeschlossen.👍😊
IMO I don't see this as a fail, I see it as a learning experience where this horse was calmed and the rider continued on I'd say knowing that the test was blown but still asked for nice work when he could. I didn't see any yanking on the mouth or kicking with spurs and the horse was willing to move forward and focus again until the monsters down that end corner were to be approached again. I'm just hoping that the horse received no punishment out of site as I will be honest and say with the way dressage went I stopped watching a fair bit ago as I'd rather watch a funny show on tv or something else on TH-cam than seeing horse's going around with their heads tucked into their chest so far behind the vertical. So please don't come at me if this is 1 of those people as I'm only judging on what I just watched. Although a comment I will say is if ur horse fully trusts u and u have that special bond usually if the rider sits and asks to horse to precede forward as it's nothing to be frightened of and "dad" will jump off and show me the monsters r ok or he'll take them on and win and I know I don't have to be frightened of anything cause he's sitting and asking me to just go forward cause they're nothing to worry about! xo
I see so little disasters and stuff with both Jessica and Benjamin. They seem like calm riders and it seems like the horses are in good spirit when they walk out on the arena.
I swear I think dressage horse owners shd multi populate all their rings, paddocks, pastures with potted shrubs and potted christmas trees BEFORE their horses come to the show, so their horse can blithely prance around any greenery monster that could appear.
no way can you create the feel and size of a huge indoor with people moving about and lights at home. They only get used to THIS environment by being exposed to this one. And some of these horses are so sensitive they are never truly relaxed there. Maybe you should try it one day.
@@louisevangaal7869If your horse trusts you and you know how to relieve it of any anxiety it doesn't matter about the environment because it will be focused on you as you are on it.
well i suppose one could rig up a sound system that plays the sounds of an event in progress enough so the horses will become used to it to a degree. @@louisevangaal7869
I really like him and his sister. Ladies and Gentlemen, THIS is what an unfortunate circumstance looks like, not your horse bleeding or having a blue tongue
It happens. It happens on a trail ride, at a show, training in your own arena because you chamged something. Easier to ride in dressage than a jumping spook or refusal.
I think that is called a horse spooking at F !!! Horses do spook . They do brace a hind leg to stop themselves quickly . A perfectly natural reaction shown by the horse in an intense and colourful atmosphere .
@@reasondora2712 the horse “spooked” because the pain became unbearable. That ever happened to you?? Most people don’t know and cannot recognize the myriad signs, symptoms and subtle behaviors of a horse in pain. They make the mistake of labeling the horse spooky, hypersensitive, stubborn, obstinate, etc.
Oh I fully agree that spooking can be a reference to pain in a horse . And I point that out to many pupils . No one will ever know with the example we have here if that is the case . My logic reason would be his reaction to an outside influence that made him react . Shown by the fact it was by or facing F and not anywhere else in the arena . The overall picture is a horse very comfortable and mentally ready for the Grand Prix .
Once again, there are issues. I dont believe he's necessarily a horrible rider. Certainly, there are worse. But whenever I see a rider lean back and push his legs forward, digging in with the spurs , red flags go off. Then, as someone else also pointed out, he's sore on the left hind. Not blatantly lame but definitely something there. He did seem to have softer hands than most. But clamped legs, leaning back, digging in spurs - nope. At best, manhandling.
I can't believe that I enjoyed doing and watching this "sport" once...Please equestrians, educate yourself about the damage riding does to horses! Equestrians love their horses, so please stop harming them! You don't ride for your horse, you ride only for your own ego.
Dressage disaster?? Hardly!! Horse failed rider??? Oh FFS!! How about headlining the video by saying, "Wonderful rider nurses his talented horse through frights so both may shine again another day!"
@@bordereau1 It doesn’t matter if I’ve ridden a dressage test or not. I’ve ridden horses and competed on them as well in a different discipline. You don’t need spurs to be a competent rider or competitor. You use your legs and your heels and your seat to get your horse to move the way you need them to move period.
What a misleading title - perpetuating the kind of human entitlement that contributes to poor welfare! Come on Dressage Hub, you can do better than that. How about a title celebrating such compassionate riding.
In NC I worked for Elaine Hayes, and Stacie Shetcoe-Hastings (sp?) often schooled there too. In GA I groomed for Ajax Surgier, rode under Stephanie Pear (sp?) and a woman who’s name I can’t recall right now who was an FEI judge. Of those five, Ajax was the only one who used what I would consider harsh or forceful methods, but I saw plenty of horses brought from harsh trainers. Horses would come with upper level show records getting respectable scores but have to be almost totally retrained because they would have meltdowns from being bullied.
@jmdnarri and how many have you taken and retrained for second careers? Horsemen like me have a life long commitment to their horses. As I said every sport has a minority of folks that make the industry look bad. If you worked for someone like that and said nothing? THAT'S abuse you've enabled. The fact you can't recall or spell the names of those trainers you allegedly worked with speaks volumes.
this horse is a wreck,and the wrecker on top,nervous,afraid,not confident ,afraid off punishment he had suffered,its a shame,al this ,,horselovers,,watching and explaining,that its normal,and the rider reacted good to pressure the horse,disgusting
For those with an educated eye, this horse is clearly in pain. It’s borderline criminal that judges, across the horse show board, cannot/do not immediately DQ a horse in pain. Until then FEI dressage will continue to be sanctioned abuse.
The horse spooked in the same area twice. The rider handled it with soft hands and a forward seat. The elasticity in the gait is not indicative of a horse in pain.
No disaster that I saw. He did an extremely wonderful job bringing him back. Beautiful mover.
The horse was spooking at something in the corner of the arena, and the rider handled it very tactfully and emphatically.
honestly that was super well handled, just very unfortunate, horse doesn't seem stressed or in pain, just scared of the christmas tree monsters. 🤣
Check again, please. Horse is being harshly spurred, and he's sore in his left hind.
@@janets6474Agreed!!! It’s surprising - appalling - to me how pain in horses is overlooked and/or chalked up to ridiculous things like obstinance or stubbornness.
@mcdart2606 Couldn't agree more. While I owned my horse boarding facility, we had some really nice horses. My expertise was their care. I noticed the slightest things from digestion issues to back or joint problems. But a trainer comes to give lessons, it was ALWAYS the horse is being bad or the rider wasn't doing something right.
It was painful to watch. I was able to convince many owners of what I believed was a potential issue and get the vet out to check the horse. There was NEVER a situation that was because the horse simply misbehaved. Animals are honest. They are telling us. The true horseman is the one that can listen.
Trainers just walked away until the next week to make their next dollar. It's not about the money. Well, it shouldn't be. It's about the well-being and health of the animal. If it can't do the work or doesn't like the work, the animal suffers and eventually the owner.
The rewarding thing for me was how many people actually responded positively to looking at things differently. We ended up helping so many horses and riders to be the best they could be. Most of the time, it wasn't in the show ring but the simple joy of the journey.
What’s wrong with you people??? Have you ever competed at that level??? I think he handled it very well according to the situation. All you can do is point your fingers at something that’s so far out of your reach! Time to shut it!!!!????
@hasiplaetzchen It has become a say of the, what you would consider the simple people when the Dressage "world" started to embrace greed, power, and abuse.
If a person doesn't want to be critiqued, stay out of the ring. We are sick of abuse. This isn't nearly as bad as some. But the rider here stuck those spurs into that horse, clamped his legs around the horse, and "forced" him. That, by definition, IS NOT Dressage!
What an absolutely incredible horse.... Fabulous rhythm and incredibly smooth transitions.....poor boy with the spooky Christmas trees and Well done that rider....brilliant. Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
Neither horse nor rider “failed” anything. They both had learning experiences. Kind ones.
horsecrap
Habe den Ritt vor Ort gesehen, ganz toll. Auch wenn Famoso's Schreckmoment Benjamin m.M. nach Platz 1gekostet hat, haben sich beide direkt wieder super konzentriert. Eine Freude, dieses Paar zu sehen, alles Gute und sicher viel Erfolg in der Zukunft !
Hats off to Benjamin Werndl! He didn’t punish the horse. He was very empathetic. Beautiful horse and excellent rider!
Super Sitz und Hifengebung, eine Freude zuzuschauen, toll reagiert, klasse Pferd, Rest kommt mit der Zeit..
I used to like reading comments to train my eyes, to be better. But sometimes I wonder, what is good enough for nowadays Dressagehub followers. I see a rider with very good seat, very light and kind hand and also quit soft legs aids. There is no kicking. Also I see a horse relaxed in his face and mouth, with opened neck and nose right on the vertical, not behind. The horse freaked out twice, at the same place but always from the different side. The rider did not panic and handled the situation, his horse got back to the aids. Is this really abuse? Indeed?
did you see the video description?
Agreed. Horse's rhythm remained consistent and enviable.
Rider is fabulous.
DH is anything but.
@@kendallelizabeth1168 It is necessary to read the description as you point out but with a title like DressageDisaster: it is just click bait and very unfortunate...I think we have to be so careful not to 'cry wolf' or suggest there is abuse when there is none such that when there is, there is no need to question it.
Love the way he handles tricky situations with his horses. Quit and reassuring. Well done!
Beautiful transitions airbrushed and a rider that cares about his horse's wellbeing!!❤❤
horsecrap
He is a spur happy jerk
Anything but a disaster. He spooked at the corner and the rider handled it beautifully
I hate this being called a "fail" and it feels really clickbaity as that's not what happened. There was obviously something the horse was really spooked about in that corner. The rider pulled him together without being nasty about it and the horse was doing well, but spooked again when asked to go back to the corner. Hands up anyone who hasn't had a horse do that on them? It was nice to see the rider keeping calm and not punishing the horse over it.
Very good rider. A lot of horses wishing to have such a professional handling in that situation!
Lovely little thoroughbred type horse.. Something truly startled him and rider skillfully avoided a meltdown while carrying on and getting back on track. Well ridden.
horsecrap
Dressage hub you should be saying this is an excellent example of Dressage.
Ja, diese Spiegelreflexkameras mit highpitchsound sind verboten
Ggf. hat Presse Haftpflichtversicherung für diesen Lohnausfall...welches Gerät war es nicht?
Trouble is when somebody says a horse is lame in the comments the more i watch the lamer the horse gets! He has soft hands and i really can't make any real judgement here.
Put that video up on a "75 inch screen and freeze frame. Look again.
@@gwendiferous I’m not as rich as you. Only 55 here. I’m sure you’re right though. He’s also had a while off competing with some issue.
Just looked like people were moving about on both occasions which caught the horse's attention. Sympathetically handled and the horse went back to concentrating almost immediately both times.
Sehr schön gemeistert- böse Tannenbäume ❤
I think he rode beautifully and and really worked with the horse without applying too much pressure. Ben and his sister are really wonderful riders
Toller feinfühliger Reiter !
Ok who hid the horse eating gremlins at the bottom of that Christmas tree? 😂
Auch wenn das Pferd irgendwelche " Gespenster" sieht reagiert sein Reiter sehr einfühlsam und positiv unterstützend. Ganz toll geritten und souverän abgeschlossen.👍😊
I hope the horse is not punished for this. It was such a polite response to be scared.
Scary Christmas trees in the corner...
more horsecrap. look again
Absolutely beautiful paces
Whant to know why the horse spits the briddle?
Der BÖSE kleine Weihnachtsmann !
😂not, a fail, just a Horse seeing monsters and learning to trust his rider..
Please tell me what u see to say he is lame left hind. Do u mean he favors it and seems to drag it a bit? It's not as responsive as rt hind? Thnk u.
Theres nothing more beautiful than Dressage! I didn't see any failures. Horse just got spooked. Both did really well otherwise.
you can adjust the quality of the video in your settings to 1080 and you will see better
IMO I don't see this as a fail, I see it as a learning experience where this horse was calmed and the rider continued on I'd say knowing that the test was blown but still asked for nice work when he could. I didn't see any yanking on the mouth or kicking with spurs and the horse was willing to move forward and focus again until the monsters down that end corner were to be approached again. I'm just hoping that the horse received no punishment out of site as I will be honest and say with the way dressage went I stopped watching a fair bit ago as I'd rather watch a funny show on tv or something else on TH-cam than seeing horse's going around with their heads tucked into their chest so far behind the vertical. So please don't come at me if this is 1 of those people as I'm only judging on what I just watched. Although a comment I will say is if ur horse fully trusts u and u have that special bond usually if the rider sits and asks to horse to precede forward as it's nothing to be frightened of and "dad" will jump off and show me the monsters r ok or he'll take them on and win and I know I don't have to be frightened of anything cause he's sitting and asking me to just go forward cause they're nothing to worry about! xo
What a beautiful rider
Trotzdem ruhig weiter geritten, das passt !😃 Hat irgendwo in der Ecke was gesehen, kann passieren ...
I see so little disasters and stuff with both Jessica and Benjamin. They seem like calm riders and it seems like the horses are in good spirit when they walk out on the arena.
Should have excused himself but win at all cost. These people should not be permitted around a horse
What??
I swear I think dressage horse owners shd multi populate all their rings, paddocks, pastures with potted shrubs and potted christmas trees BEFORE their horses come to the show, so their horse can blithely prance around any greenery monster that could appear.
no way can you create the feel and size of a huge indoor with people moving about and lights at home. They only get used to THIS environment by being exposed to this one. And some of these horses are so sensitive they are never truly relaxed there. Maybe you should try it one day.
@@louisevangaal7869If your horse trusts you and you know how to relieve it of any anxiety it doesn't matter about the environment because it will be focused on you as you are on it.
well i suppose one could rig up a sound system that plays the sounds of an event in progress enough so the horses will become used to it to a degree. @@louisevangaal7869
@@sarahwagland1559 So you mean when a horse stopped being a horse?
Maybe it's time to change our relationship with animals
I really like him and his sister.
Ladies and Gentlemen, THIS is what an unfortunate circumstance looks like, not your horse bleeding or having a blue tongue
It happens. It happens on a trail ride, at a show, training in your own arena because you chamged something. Easier to ride in dressage than a jumping spook or refusal.
Aw, disappointing when you have a nicely moving happy horse and the boogeyman decides to hide amongst the trees.
Nicely handled.
It takes time to build the relationship with the horse. Good job by rider
Left hind sore. Watch closely at F and B. The left hind at the transition into piaffe. The horse is a little long in the pasterns and over flexes.
Agreed!! I saw that as well.
I think that is called a horse spooking at F !!! Horses do spook . They do brace a hind leg to stop themselves quickly . A perfectly natural reaction shown by the horse in an intense and colourful atmosphere .
@@reasondora2712 the horse “spooked” because the pain became unbearable. That ever happened to you??
Most people don’t know and cannot recognize the myriad signs, symptoms and subtle behaviors of a horse in pain. They make the mistake of labeling the horse spooky, hypersensitive, stubborn, obstinate, etc.
Oh I fully agree that spooking can be a reference to pain in a horse . And I point that out to many pupils .
No one will ever know with the example we have here if that is the case . My logic reason would be his reaction to an outside influence that made him react . Shown by the fact it was by or facing F and not anywhere else in the arena .
The overall picture is a horse very comfortable and mentally ready for the Grand Prix .
@mcdart2606 please share your licensure.
Once again, there are issues. I dont believe he's necessarily a horrible rider. Certainly, there are worse. But whenever I see a rider lean back and push his legs forward, digging in with the spurs , red flags go off. Then, as someone else also pointed out, he's sore on the left hind. Not blatantly lame but definitely something there.
He did seem to have softer hands than most. But clamped legs, leaning back, digging in spurs - nope. At best, manhandling.
RIP beautiful boy 🕊️ 🌈
I can't believe that I enjoyed doing and watching this "sport" once...Please equestrians, educate yourself about the damage riding does to horses!
Equestrians love their horses, so please stop harming them!
You don't ride for your horse, you ride only for your own ego.
Must be great judging from your couch 👏
I'm actually in bed. The only judge that matters is God.
So many of these "critics " don't know a forelock from a fetlock
Always 👉 soft hands 👈
Disaster is gratuitous. Lovely swing and harmony despite a few spooks.
Good riding in a tough situation.
No, I say horsecrap
Werndl failed Famoso, not Famoso failed Wendl. The horse is never at fault.
Benjamin wird ihm auch nicht die Schuld geben
Werndl did not fail him. He was calm and soothing, never rough, and the horse was not unhappy.
The horse spooked. It happens
Danke! Es wird meist gelöscht
Dressage disaster?? Hardly!! Horse failed rider??? Oh FFS!!
How about headlining the video by saying, "Wonderful rider nurses his talented horse through frights so both may shine again another day!"
He’s constantly spurring the horse. Someone should spur him and see how he likes it. That’s just lazy riding.
Yes!!
How to reveal you've never ridden a dressage test
@@bordereau1 How to reveal when a person believes digging spurs into a horse is OK. Spurs are meant to be a signal, not torture.
@@bordereau1 It doesn’t matter if I’ve ridden a dressage test or not. I’ve ridden horses and competed on them as well in a different discipline. You don’t need spurs to be a competent rider or competitor. You use your legs and your heels and your seat to get your horse to move the way you need them to move period.
Thank god, i thought that i was the only one who saw those floppy legs 😡. Every time those floppy legs jammed those dammed spures in the horses gut..
Couldn´t the horse go just as well without all those straps around his mouth?
What a misleading title - perpetuating the kind of human entitlement that contributes to poor welfare! Come on Dressage Hub, you can do better than that. How about a title celebrating such compassionate riding.
❤
Dressage is for assholes The moves are good horsemanship however horses hate the constant drill. I know I did.
Early! Haha!
I’d bet money that the horse was anticipating punishment for a mistake.
I doubt it......a partnership like that is through trust and respect
@@bordereau1
I’ve worked for trainers who ride and compete at that level.
That’s not necessarily true.
@@jmdnarri really! Who? Maybe we can exchange notes!!
In NC I worked for Elaine Hayes, and Stacie Shetcoe-Hastings (sp?) often schooled there too. In GA I groomed for Ajax Surgier, rode under Stephanie Pear (sp?) and a woman who’s name I can’t recall right now who was an FEI judge.
Of those five, Ajax was the only one who used what I would consider harsh or forceful methods, but I saw plenty of horses brought from harsh trainers.
Horses would come with upper level show records getting respectable scores but have to be almost totally retrained because they would have meltdowns from being bullied.
@jmdnarri and how many have you taken and retrained for second careers? Horsemen like me have a life long commitment to their horses. As I said every sport has a minority of folks that make the industry look bad. If you worked for someone like that and said nothing? THAT'S abuse you've enabled. The fact you can't recall or spell the names of those trainers you allegedly worked with speaks volumes.
this horse is a wreck,and the wrecker on top,nervous,afraid,not confident ,afraid off punishment he had suffered,its a shame,al this ,,horselovers,,watching and explaining,that its normal,and the rider reacted good to pressure the horse,disgusting
The rider is calm as a cucumber lol
For those with an educated eye, this horse is clearly in pain.
It’s borderline criminal that judges, across the horse show board,
cannot/do not immediately DQ a horse in pain.
Until then FEI dressage will continue to be sanctioned abuse.
The horse spooked in the same area twice. The rider handled it with soft hands and a forward seat. The elasticity in the gait is not indicative of a horse in pain.
@@bordereau1 I saw a heavy seat and spurring.
@@gwendiferous then we'll agree to disagree.