The 100 Meter World Record: The Impossible Mystery Of Florence Griffith Joyner
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My grandfather always told me to live my life as I see fit because you can't please everyone.
Just make sure that you don't purposely displease anyone unless absolutely necessary.
They will say and think of you whatever they wish, as it is beyond your control.
I watched this entire video and read a great number of comments and they are fairly even.
Sadly it's about a woman who's deceased and yet the opinions wouldn't change if she were here to dispute or embrace them.
Rest in peace Florence Griffith Joyner ❤️🙏🏾
I never seen the strides that she ran with duplicated. She flew, knees high and extended, beautiful !
Amazing. Beautiful. Sprinting perfection.
And juiced to the gills
@@rajendranadarajan8931not juiced at all unless you're talking about orange juice. Can't give excuses for people who are just great.
@@rajendranadarajan8931prove it.
@@anthonyeames4678 Juiced with steroids!
They had all the same wind and she was still the one "flying" Look at her perfect technique! that is so awesome!
possible doping
Several of them ran lifetime best times in that race.
Flying on drugs.
@@squatch545 you say that like the other competitors weren’t.
It's called cheating.
She was flying, most beautiful run.
If you run the race in slow-mo, you can see Flo Jo actually rode a motorcycle half the race.
😂
😂 that explain it all!
Invisible unicorn
😂😂😂
😅😅😅😅
To date the best documented TRP video and best compilation of race angles for that wr. Flo was the most technically sound runner ever, man or woman. Her technique made her look like she was gliding, it was effortless. Her foot strike, stride length, knee lift, block positioning- perfection. I will be studying this video for quite some time. Well done TRP
Asafa Powell also has flawless technique
With that technical technique so call knowledge you got you should be the record holder
@@peterhall823 usain bolt had other advantages that overcame his imperfect form
If you go a little bit higher, David Rudisha had a pretty amazing stride, he looked so effortless in any race from 400 to 1k, but ofc is a whole different history sprints and middle distance
@peterhall823 and Michael Jordan should be greatest gm but doesn't work that way.
another great, in depth and informational TRP vid on such a still hotly disputed subject, cheers for the vid its much appreciated
The best case study I’ve ever seen of the Flojo speculation. Amazing job and story telling 💪🏾👍🏾🙌🏽
FINALLY someone talks about the next race also having a 0.0 m/s wind reading. That detail basically proves the anemometer was broken but literally no one ever mentioned that. Easily the best video on this subject
@@Listenclose2024 it would be very statistically weird for that to happen twice in a row and then never again, and the fact that most runners in both races pb'd by a big margin makes the side wind explanation a bit weird imo since it's still a disadvantage to runners
So why is flo Jo the only one who ran that fast? I mean did the wind not affect the other runners?
So what does that have to do with anything? Who cares you people will discredit her until someone breaks it then when they break it I hope y’all give them hell just like that did Flo Jo.
@@ronnieyoung2075I think the point was the wind took Flojo, who in 1988 was a 10.6 runner, to a 10.4 runner. It helped the other runners too but they were all much slower than she was.
@@CHEETAH69 I don’t think that’s the case. She is the only runner to pb in that race. Not even the world record holder , Evelyn ashford, prior to that race ran a pb
I never knew about the following race also being 0.0m/s !
The chance of that is unbelievable
Very good video. You made some good points but all I can see is her stellar running movement! It was flawless!
Can say the same for Marion Jones, but she admitted to doping.
This is the first video I have watched on this channel. A very well made documentary on Flo-Jo. Subscribed.
This is one of the most thorough documentaries I have seen around this world record and more than enough proof that it should not have been ratified.
@litespeed65 Athletes are much more rigorously tested than in the 1980s. It is fairly impossible to cheat, because you will get caught. Look at Blessing last year, Tyson back in 2012. Also they save blood and urine samples in present time. So it was much easier to cheat back in 1980s. Shericka is 'jacked' because she does a lot of weight training, Carmelita was more 'jacked' than her. Also Shelly can run those consistent times at her age, because she changed coaches and her current coach is more focused on her stride length and the last portion of her race than her other coach. If you are ignorant be that way, but not contemptuous.
@@sweetangelplusyou are a fool if you believe these athletes aren't dirty but believe what you want. Ask Lance armstrong and marion jones they They told on they self past every test!
@@sweetangelplusIt's not fairly impossible to cheat nowadays though. The majority of top athletes today are juicing. There are many ways to cheat without detection and significant differences in testing between each country and their testing regulations. Take Jamaica for instance, their testing pool isn't as thorough or as regaluar as the testing done in the US. Top athletes can juice in their off seasons and get faster and stronger within this time period, go off the juice before a major meet and test negative for steriods even though they've benefitted from taking steriods in the lead up to major events. The majority of top athletes these days are not clean and that's just the way it's always been.
@@geeunit831 This is where ignorance come into play. Once you are a part of the top 40 you are tested by the Athletics Integrity Unit, which is an arm of the World Anti-doping Agency and your local doping agency. This means WADA can send drug testers on island and/or ask local drug testers to do it on their behalf. Once you are top ten athlete, you will be tested much numerous compared to the slower athletes. Now, drugs are being created to outsmart the drug testing process. But WADA knows how to advise their drug testers how to detect fraud. For example, red flags can be seen on their where abouts forms that athletes need to list their location and time to test everyday if a pattern is seen it will ring, amd that is how they catch a lot of athletes. Also, athletes have been retroactively disqualified years after once a drug is discovered that haven't been on the list before of technology. As I said it is almost impossible in this day and age to go undetected as a cheat. Also, Jamaica doesn't have that technology to outsmart the system for years, and they would have gone undetected for over a decade? Also Jamaica has seen success in athletics long before Bolt and Fraser-Pryce. Make it make sense.
@@sweetangelplus Let's be 100% real here. It is NOT fairly impossible to cheat. That's an incredibly romanticised view. Cheaters are often ahead of testers, but the testing is indeed far more rigorous nowadays than decades ago. Athletes now have to be much smarter about what they take and when they take it.
After many years, you finally fully adressed this situation, and made an impressive 29 minute docummentary about it. Hats off, thanks for taking the time and effort to produce this video, and thanks for providing a wide audience with tons of information about this subject
It's not a documentary if it's one sided.
@@Qdub34 - I would agree, however, as a trained STATISTICIAN, I trust math! At 17:32 Chapter 4 shows how all the other competitors in the two 0.0 wind heats that day broke their own best records by a significant amount. Hence; we'd call this an 'outlier' of our data points, even considering standard deviation for good/bad days of racing. Everything else is pure crap, speculation, and/or hearsay. 📈📊💹📈
I agree with @GunnWrights, it's the wind. There was probably an error with the instrument. Flo-Jo was very very lucky! It was not drugs, all other suggestions are mere speculations and should be discounted.
People have the wrong idea about steroids. They think they are some kind of "speedy juice" that an athlete can take before a race to make themselves fast. It just doesn't work that way.
@@Qdub34 If not, what is it then? And what's the other side, just don't believe in anything?
THIS WAS AN AWESOME VIDEO!!! BOMB!!! At the end of the day, I don't know if her run was legal or not, but I know that her technique was a thing of beauty! She ran with the grace and elegance of a gazelle or a thoroughbred horse! Her form and stride were beautiful... knees high, legs extended, feet barely touching the track, as if she was running on air! AND IT LOOKED EFFORTLESS! Her facial expression was always serene and seemingly unbothered, unlike the usual gritting of teeth you see in the face of most sprinters. LOL!!! I haven't seen anyone who looks like that! The moniker "Flo-Jo" fit her well...
You know, you just don't want to admit it and ruin the illusion but you know.
@@basquat76exactly..Marion Jones didn’t even break the record. And she took 5 medals, she still didn’t break it juiced up. This is ridiculous, they know what happen. It’ll NEVER be broken because all the wind, the roids etc it’s sickening
Beautifully written
@@basquat76know what?
@@Ishbikessickening! You seem to have anger issues.
Your best Video by far. Congratulations
No way the wind was 0.0. You deserve to get corporate funding to make this into a feature length documentary. Great work.
This is such a great video. Good Job!!
Outstanding video!!!
Excellent information and research
Thank you for creating and sharing such an objective and in-depth analysis on the 100m WR. Being that each QF race is run 10 mins apart, the most telling part is this: QF 1 (her race) wind reading 0.0. QF 2, again 0.0. QF 3, 5.0. Yes, five point zero! It doesn't add up at all.
it does.. the first two races were side winds... the last was a tail wind
The wind readings for the Men's Triple Jump (28:18) are also very revealing, as there was a grand total of 3 wind valid jumps in the entire competition, which sort of proves it was windy in the stadium on that day, and it varied between 7.0 and 1.0 m/s. As the Triple Jump runway is next to the home straight of the track, was it the same wind meter used for both the 100m and the Triple Jump? if so that would indicate erroneous readings for the two QFs in question. It would have been helpful, if at all possible, to put a time line against the jumps to build up a picture and to see what wind speeds were being record for the triple jump around about the same time as when the QFs were run. incidentally the Joyner in the Triple Jump was Flo-Jo's husband Al, I wonder what he thought about the 0.0 m/s wind speed recording?
It’s very important to note that the wind reading isn’t a speed reading but a directionalized velocity reading. The formula is wind_speed x cosine(angle_of_wind_from_straightaway). The cosine of 93 degrees (mentioned by Omega) is a fairly small number, which would drastically reduce a 4.0m/sec wind speed down to 0.2m/sec directionalized velocity. That’s much closer to the reported 0.0. I agree, if the wind reading had said ANYTHING OTHER than exactly 0.0, it would be easier to believe the cross-wind hypothesis. However, I did see video evidence of the official’s flag blowing sideways before the start of the race, so I cannot rule out a legitimate 0.0 reading. But I agree that 0.0 does not help. On the surface, it certainly seems like a malfunction. The other athletes setting lifetime bests is also compelling. There was definitely “something in the air” that day.
What a sad way to own a world record, setting the record controversially, dying controversially. It feels like she paid the price for cheating. You can fool us, can't fool God though.
@@reginald8947Sad is all the wrong scrutinnay!!! She ran what she ran. When the runners are down in the blocks the wind is blowing into their faces! It also blows underneath a runners top when she lowers her head! The official standing behind them has his flag raised above his head and it too is blowing directly back in the opposite direction of the finish line! Meaning they ran into the wind or by the time the gun sounded the wind for 10 seconds had lifted and there was none to measure! That cannot be ruled out! The clock says 10.49 and that's what she ran!
Well researched. Looking at the race with simplicity, Flo Jo's high knees running style was more efficient than the other runners. I see it in Sha'carri Richardson. Their feet barely touch the ground.
Steroids baby
@@Ishbikes. Steroids doesn’t affect technique.
@@IshbikesSteroids don’t help technique or speed
@@urtheboss1 steroids don’t help speed??? 😅 are you serious
@@Ishbikesthe person is talking about TECHNIQUE, nothing to do with steroids. Read S-L-O-W-E-R next time.
Love this work you did.
Behind Flo-Jo, as the race gets underway, the white flag is blowing in the wind, held by the person standing in her lane. (best view at 17:49/26:31). The person then lowers the flag, which can be seen to be still blowing for the remainder of the race (close up footage 14:22).
Thank you for such a detailed, well-researched video.
Joy
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That is not conclusive evidence. That doesn't give a wind reading of speed or direction. Just saying the wind is blowing is not enough.
@@Qdub34It is additional evidence that the wind-gauge may have been faulty, because it read 0.00. Regardless of the wind's direction that has to be wrong.
I agree it is not conclusive evidence of either wind-speed or direction, and of course I did not say that was the case.
so the wind only helped her time???
@@troyrodgers9790 the video clearly shows that most of the athletes benefitted. Triple jump record was not allowed, but 100m record was allowed??
Great video. You forgot to say that, despite being a QF, the times ran by the sprinters in QFI and QFII (both with 0.0 m/s wind) and QFIII (+5m/s), they ALL RAN SLOWER in semis and Finals, even though both races had (legal) wind aid of +1.6m/s and +1.2 m/s.... when normally you ran faster at semis or finals than in quarterfinals....
So basically we've been had. Looking at those flags move like crazy ( Including the one an official is holding at the start line) due to wind proves they lied. The record should be scrapped.
This is my question too, what were the other runners times, comparatively.
@@travisolson3018 there's a paper written by a university to the IAAF where you can read that, not only all the athletes ran faster in those QF than in semis or final, but that all but 2 (one of the Gail Devers, which prime would come in years after, and the other Evelyn Ashford, whose prime was 4 years before this olympic qualifiers), had their PBs in those quaterfinales. they ALL had their season best for sure and all but 2 had their personal bests....
Carl Lewis in that weekend in Indianapolis ran 9.78 on the 100 m with too strong tailwind th-cam.com/video/MVRl8gihrHM/w-d-xo.html.
Flo Jo's sprinting technique = the bes ever , but most definitely the wind was blowing way too hard and most likely Florence doped big time.
Btw Carl Lewis doped also like all the Seoul 100meter finalists !!
Good detective work bro! So much evidence there.
If we take an average of the wind readings from prior and subsequent events it gets us to around 3.5 m/s. Has anyone calculated what difference it would make? If we were able to somehow deduct time for the wind assistance, what time does she set? I'm guessing she's still in the 10.5 range somewhere, arguably still fast enough to hold the record. The fact she ran 10:54 in Seoul backs this up. It took Elaine Thompson until 2021 to equal that time, with vastly improved shoes, track surfaces, and computerised training models, and she has only dipped into the 10.5s once in her entire career. The girls from the GDR and USSR were drugged to the eyeballs in 1988 and could only manage high 10.7s. Despite everything, you have to agree Flo-Jo was special. That girl could RUN.
The report by Linthorne mentioned in the video goes into quite a bit of detail estimating the actual wind assistance during the race. It was much more than 0.05 seconds.
This is where I fall too. It just seems like some people can't deal with the fact that a record has not been broken for them to see. It will fall eventually and those people will cheer it on, but it won't take away the sheer brilliance of Mrs Joyner's performance and her mastery of her craft.
Okkkkkk, I Agree 👍🏽 💯
The year 1988 exposed may athletes in multiple sports doping with steroids and other performance enhancers. I believe Ben Johnson had his gold medal stripped that same year including Marion Jones soon after. It was the era of steroids and I believe many athletes got away with using it especially track & field, biking and baseball. We will never know exactly who and to what extent but we do know it was a major stain in sports history. It wasnt just the US and USSR but it was world-wide. From the lethal and fatal AIDS virus that instantly killed many to world-wide use of steroids that made people feel like immortals. The 80's was a crazy and epic time in human history especially in sports.
@@Qdub34Her legal 10.61, which was the record until 2021, was still absolutely ridiculous. That 1988 season was extremely fishy, and her early retirement only supports that idea. But until proven otherwise, that 10.61 remains as one of the fastest runs in history, and it happened more than 30 years ago. And obviously, she has the 200 record still
Regardless of the wind reading or the drug speculations, no one can deny her perfect relaxed form and swag in 1988...lets remember drugs have been in Track prior and after 88 and yet no one could match her form and acceleration.
That is the prettiest stride I have ever seen. Ashford was FAST but you see them from the front, easy to believe FloJo was REALLY FAST. Just beautiful to watch.
Steroids can't do anything for what you're talking about. She's the best for one reason. Her technique. It's separated her from the rest of her competitors. But let's not forget she also smashed the 200 M record. Flo Jo was flexible and Powerful with great technique. 5 ft 7 in and only 127 lb of perfection
@@charlesdelaparra5997your forgetting Ben Johnson and the Carl Lewis race. Steroids will improve your times. Flo Jo was not considered top tier till end of her career . Her gains would not come from new methods of training. The excuses of her physique drastically no changing would not come from 5,000 sit ups a day. Another thing is her acceleration would be pure power and not technique . Women run different from men. The anatomical structure of the hip, pelvis and etc., in males and females prohibit women competing with men’s times. I was running the best women’s times in the 11th grade.
Isn’t it suspicious when she retired? Wouldn’t you want to try and best that record or the 200? Then upon her death you cremate the body. In the Black community back then… wasn’t a popular thing to do. Remember Barry Bonds and Mark MCGuire , as you age as an athlete reflexes, hand eye coordination start to degrade. Bonds became Ponce De Leon.
Absolutely 100% correct. Flo-Jo's real secret was her technique. She's textbook flawless. It takes a LOT of training to achieve that, PEDs help with building muscle, improve oxygen uptake, and decrease recovery times but they do nothing to aid technique. Only extremely repetitive training can do that. As a sprint coach I use Flo-Jo's videos as a training tool, showing the kids that this is what you are aiming for in terms of sprinting form.
Cut the crap. She was good in 84' and her form was definitely matched. It only takes a few minutes to research her PED use if you decide to seek the truth.
Thank you for this video! We need facts and justice to the sport we love so much
People may criticize her but to be honest she was very strong her running style is one of the best in the world,since l started to use her running style my speed has improved
I don’t run at all but the way
She moved was sublime an absolute joy to watch
11 flat to 10.4 is insane tho you gotta admit that
@@YaBoiJern757 no its not.. bolt ran 10s and his record is 9.58 in 100m people just eventually hit their peak after a certain amount of races
Congratulations, with her style you are in your way to set a new world record. Except youre not, unless you use steroids.
@@Qkazamit’s still insane. usain bolt isn’t exactly a comparison of normal track abilities hahaha
Honestly, I think the women's 400m record of Marita Koch is more worthy of skepticism. The use of anabolic steroids in East Germany was endemic and programmatic during the time she set the record. At the Reunification of Germany in 1990 the records held by the East German Secret Police (Stasi) were turned over to West German authorities. Those records included dosages and the athletes who were given them. Those records included Marita Koch and the doses of steroids she was given. Several East German athletes have come forward and voluntarily asked their records be removed. Koch has not. She also never tested positive.
And the 800 wr to
Both 400m and 800m records need to go
The 200, 400 & 800m were ran by drugs cheats, but it can't really be proven. The 100m can be proven that it should have never been ratified.
You watch Koch run her WR time and it’s just insane. There’s no way she wasn’t loaded to the gills with drugs.
Every Woman's WR from the 100-800m are equally worthy of scepticism! There's also the flat 3000m WR by Wang Junxia & a number of other Chinese athletes in Sep '93, as well as the Women's Shot Put & Discus WRs!
Thanks TRP for such an incredible breakdown surrounding this WR. I would love to see you do a documentary on both the women’s 400m and 800m world records as no female athlete has been anywhere close to the times since the 80s.
He has made that video. search.
All those 80's records were tarnished by steroids. The advances testing has weeded out the cheats, Americans and Europeans alike
Yup
What he did not touch on and they didn't show. There is video with Florence Griffith-Joyner at the starting blocks and her hair is blowing with the wind across her body toward the stands. The win was actually blowing at the competitors side because it was a crosswind..... Once Florence Griffith Joyner achieved her goal of getting a Gold Olympic Medal. She had another goal after her Olympic conquest which was to start a family and that's what she did. She her husband Al Joyner had a daughter. After that Florence along with her husband Al Joyner both attempted a comeback for the next Olympics. But both ended up with injuries when it came time for the Olympic trials. But somehow these particulars always get left out when other people are telling their version of what they believe happened with Florence Griffith-Joyner.... And most importantly this video did not touch on the obvious an unmistakable visual of the differences between Florence Griffith Joyner's almost perfect and efficient sprinting mechanics in comparison to her competitors. Athletes all over the world have been trying to mimic and duplicate Griffith-Joyner's sprinting mechanics. Florence Griffith-Joyner also mastered the art of relaxation while sprinting which she said was always key in her performances.
Hands down the fastest woman in the world pure sheer talent! Never could be replicated 🌹🌹R.I.P Flo jo...
Yep, difficult to replicate because the checks on doping are far more rigorous …. She was doped to the max, that’s difficult to replicate these days…
Shericka Jackson is CLOSE. She won the 200m with 22.41 just .07 seconds away from FLO JO'S time. It was believed that no human could run sub 10, until they did.
Noah Lyle broke Michael Johnson's which stood for over 30 years
@@janjanssen9629 The more you do know the less you don't. Where does that put you?
Shericka Jackson is women? Flo was a women and she still hold the records! Most beautiful running and perfect tehnique! Flo was ahead of her time!
@@janjanssen9629haterrrrr
I’m going to be completely real with you. That has to be one of the most respectable videos you have ever made. Every minute of the video, I expected that you would leave out a certain piece of information regarding the whole controversy, but you didn’t. In fact I learned so much from this video, that I can confidently say that now I am relatively conflicted as to if doping had any play in all of this when at first I was all but certain it did. Maybe I thought you were going to leave out certain aspects simply because you are American and maybe that’s just a result of me watching too many races through nbc ahaha. But in all seriousness, I feel like this is the very video people need to turn to before they jump to any conclusions as to whether or not FGJ’s world records were actually legitimate
Facts.
My favourite is right at the end when he said even after Flo-Jo’s death her body was examined and tested and tested for the presence of a possible use of drugs or changes physiologically etc but nothing was found and she never tested positive either throughout her life. Flo-Jo is a freak of nature and some individuals have unusual genetic gifts. Just judging by how her fingernails grew to 12 inches and she had to cut them to size just tells us all. She was like an avatar who had something extra and her serious core training brought the best in her to that point (& she could have gone faster because it was just the beginning of having discovered the perfect sprinting technique). Note must be taken that she was actually training for the Marathon (1996 Olympics) when she developed epilepsy so it put paid to her plans. Her husband said she achieved everything she put her mind to.
Yes this channel is amazing. This dude deserves to be wealthy. This is better than professionally produced documentaries with huge corporate budgets.
Again, to the guy who runs this channel, thank you for sharing your passion about athletics with us.
@@kojoharrison630I am more convinced that a high wind reading gave her that unrealistic time of 10.49. There is no way that the wind speed was 0.0 on that day only for her race. The instrument was at fault and they were to petty to admit it.
@@kojoharrison630THANK YOU! I LOVE FLO JO JUST LIKE CARL LEWIS AND USAIN BOLT. THESE ARE ALL FREAKS OF NATURE LIKE THE RECORD HOLDERS OF THE POLE VAULT, AND DISCUS, SUPERHEAVY WEIGHT OLYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTER GEORGIAN TALAKHADZE FOR THE MALES. IT WAS ALSO TOUGHER IN THE 1980’S AS THET WERE AMATEURS WITH LOWER TECH. THE TRACK ENGINEERS OF THE PAST 6 OLYMPICS SAID THAT THE TRACK IS MUCH FASTER TODAY INCREASING THE TIME OF ATHLETES. EVEN USAIN BOLT ADMITTED THE TRACK TECH GIVES THE ADVANTAGES TO ALL THE ATHLETES TODAY. EVERYONE IS A PROFESSIONAL NOW WHO GETS THE BEST OF EVERYTHING
Very thorough. Thanks. Two things: 1) We can only use the official equipment there; it's the same equipment that measured all the other races. Zero is possible during swirling winds, & that's what it recorded. 2) Flo-Jo is clearly having the race of her life; just look at her strides. Unless it's proven otherwise, we shouldn't mess with the record books. Like Bob Beamon's long jump (way past his PR), people can raise their games.
Nuh uh
Absolutely
Bob Beamon's could be explained by the fact it was done at altitude in Mexico City, not sure whether Beamon jumped at altitude before the 1968 Olympics or again after, so nothing to really analyse as to see what difference it made. However Flo-Jo's 100m record is suspicious as the wind reading looks erroneous, the Men's Triple Jump proves it was windy for most of the day, and i don't believe an 0 wind reading could be taken for 2 races on the trot and the some of the other athletes in both races set lifetime bests in those races. Also until recently, the only athletes who looked like getting close to it, Katrine Krabbe and Marion Jones, were both using PED,s, which on the face of it doesn't help Flo-Jo's case. There are actually 2 female records which have stood longer than Flo-Jo's, the 400m, (Marita Koch 1985) and the 800m (Jarmila Kratochvilova 1983), again however Koch is known to have been drug assisted and Kratochvilova is suspected of the same, so again doesn't help Flo-Jo case. Also retiring just before random drug testing became the norm makes it look like she had something to hide.
On the juice with great technical style!
absolutely no proof of PED. Just because want to believe that she used them doesn't mean its true. No doctor or lab ever found anything in her blood or urine. Mind you people were getting caught left and right
She won that record that’s why it still stands. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤
and the 100 may forever stand
Really?!
He*
This record is an insult to all legit women athletes. It is disgusting that people like you still believe this shit is a real time while no woman has ever even gotten at a 0.3 range of it for 30 years.
Unbelievable
Marita Koch's 400m record still stands even though there is documented evidence of her doping from when the GDR collapsed
As a track enthusiast you can see her stride lenght and frequency was far superior that day . Her arms and legs were moving twice as fast as everyone else she left them. Also her 10.61 which Elaine Thompson tied is still faster than most of these sprinters back than and currently. 11.49 was after she peaked and all athletes slows down after they peak in all events
10.49 not 11.49
@@omniexistus I stand corrected 10.49 is the world record. I cant wait until the olympics to see if Shacari, Sherika, Sherry Anne or Elaine can challenge that world record that will be a fast race.
@@gabrieleriva651 if that is true it was never proven
What was the time for the second finisher? Flo Jo was well clear.
So were Ben johnsons
Fantastic video. I’ve studied this race for the best part of 30 years. One thing we can deduce is that it was windy. Map 10.54 (3,0) in the final in Seoul against 10.49 (0,0) Indianapolis, and she needs another 1m/sec to run 10.50. She was pretty much in the same shape as the trials. Now she would still be the 3rd fastest of all time, but not the WR holder.
@@jonathanlegg4308The other day was the 25th anniversary of FloJo's death. She is the only woman to hold 2 athletics world records for more than 35 years. There are people in our world who can do admirable things without any doping. Thanks to FloJo. REST IN PEACE❤
@lalib.53 You can live in your diluded world if you want to, but Flo Jo is mentioned rarely in positive terms by any tv pundit or commentator. With 35 years of records she should be talked about glowingly at every meet; not so. Jonathan Edwards has held the mens triple jump world record for 28 years and not an event goes by in which he is not talked about like a hop skip and jump God. Not so with Flo Jo. Very few people like a cheater, you are one of the rare ones.
The PED's had worn off more by the time she got to Seoul
What a fantastic analysis trp. I remember no controversy at the time regarding the wind readings it was all about her huge improvement that season & consequent retirement at the end of it. Flo jo was an 'also ran' up until then & then boom! Massive wr records in the 100 & 200m! It never looked right, it never felt right & nothing will ever convince me that she wasn't juiced. Add in the wind situation & we may well have the most dubious wr we will ever see. Cheers trp.
This is good documentary!
Her stride was insane...
Her sprint form is perfect. 😤💪🏆
I had always thought the same until I analyzed her technique.
With or without wind she was just so much better than anyone who’s ever competed.
Only ETH and maybe Jetter have come even remotely close to her flawless technique.
theres no denying she was a world class sprinter much better than her peers at the time but theres just way too much smoke involved for there not to be a fire regardless of whether it can be seen or not, when multiple sprinters were making lifetime bests by over 2 tenths of a second is bad enuff but Flo-Jo herself made an improvement of 0.47s in that race, i will always appreciate her flowing almost floating style of running as other wordly but i have never considered that to be a legal world record since watching it back in 1988 to this day, ETH at 10.54s is the only legal world record imo
She is stunning when she runs
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You could say the same about Bolt.
@@fender1000100 in what way? Sorry but I'm getting replies to different comments on the same vid and it only tells me that ur replying but not to which comment
@@judsdragonno, she was just that good. They will be chasing her ghost for a long time.
Ur best video ever. Thank u very much
When it comes to the world of running competitions, you are the real MVP. Keep rockin it steady, Total Running Productions style!
I'm beginning to believe that Sherika Jackson is a strong contender to break both Flo-Jo's records. The 21,45 for the 200 still amazes.
21.41 now. She definitely has a good chance of beating it with the right conditions.
she needs some help you know what i mean@@BadBrucey
@@simonepedron9299 😝she really does
It seems quite possible now. The main thing is staying totally healthy when you're placing such intense stress on the body.
Flo Jo is the G.O.A.T....R.I.P. 🥀🥀🥀
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Damn, that was a great video.
As s former runner, you nevet know when you will run your best time, there have actually been sprinter that have broken world records in practice or have run personal best in practice, people who are non-athletes won't know or understand this, but it happens all the time, it just doesn't count because it wasn't in an official meeting, Flo Jo just had one of those perfect sprinting days.
Nobody improves half a second in a year, at the age of 28. Not legally, at least.
She had her husband coaching her. two extreme athletes. She won this time. Get over it.
Just like Wayde Van Nekirk's WR 400 meter Olympic Gold medal performance of 43.03, which most mind boggling, was ran out of lane 8....
Perfect Conditions, energy, mental equilibrium and focus all came together for the best 400 meter race in World History!
It was Clinic....
@@roberteharris2935Most of the people here that are disgustingly smearing the deceased Flo Jo's name - don't understand anything about all the factors that come into play when a person sets a record. They understand nothing about how a person knows their body and how to train it exactly to improve their performance and how this is specific to an individual, because everybody is attuned to their body differently, they don't understand how Flo Jo's 5 thousand sit-ups a day improved her running nor how her running technique was way ahead of its time - she was able to cover the same ground as other runners with fewer steps. The factors both of us mentioned is exactly how Flo Jo set a world's record.
The prime years are 28 to 30.
Florence Griffith Joyner is a legendary champion. I loved her Era in track and field. She was so beautiful, poised, and talented. No one will ever take her place in the sport. 🏆 🦅
Legitimately breaking this world record will be the greatest feat of any sport
I agree. its a ghostly record
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A statement from FloJo and her husband, Al Joyner:
“I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.”
Only those who have nothing to hide say so.
Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record.
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doing it without wind and PEDs will make it all the more incredible
@@AlonsoRulesshe didn’t use PEDs
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even if wind may have aided her... her 200m still stands and that one was so natural
This is my take. Her actual 100m PB without the wind aided 10.49 is 10.61, so she held that WR for 30+ years until Elaine Thompson Herah ran a 10.54 & Flojo is now 3rd all-time as Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce ran a 10.60. Her 200m time still remains & I'd say her 21.34 is slightly higher caliber than her 10.61 which makes sense as it's still the WR & last one was the first time that it's been under threat when Shericka Jackson ran 21.45. It also checks out that her 200m is as good as it is as she had crazy speed endurance (the 4x400m US National record is still from the 88 Olympics & Flojo was on that squad with a sub-48 split) +10.6x speed.
Flo Jo used drugs the massive improvement in times that happened between 87 and 88 just don't happen with just training. She never failed a test but that means nothing back then as it was so easy to cheat the tests back then.
@@richardgallimore5976 It's like you climbed into my brain and typed what i was about to. Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.
@PimpDaddyStyles if Flo jo is a cheat so is Frazier Pryce nobody gets faster that late in a career.
@2017NationalChamps Frazer Pryce has been running low 10.7s for years, she changed coaches and hence the difference. Flo-jo's jump was twice Shelly's jump, not comparable
❤Go Flo-Jo you STILL the GREATEST of All time!
Good work
I have never seen this kind of analysis, everything is so clear without bias,a very honest video analysis that tries to answer a question,you can only find in this channel exclusively!
Wow! What a video. This might be your best work yet. Thank you so much for this.
I think this has proven without a shade of doubt that the world record of 10.49 was indeed not legal. There is simply no other way to put it. I am not one who pays much attention to the drug accusation about her as that is almost impossible to prove. But this one is just entirely glaring and we cannot deny that record doesn't belong to her but rather Elaine Thompson for her 10.53.
However, the only reason i'd accept FloJo's record of 10.49 is because we know that she was truly super fast that season and on another level as she still has an even bigger unbeatable record in the 200m with that 21.34 and that had no wind issues when she set that record. So that alone shows she is capable of running 10.49. So i can agree to that. But that means i have to look away from all the hardcore evidence of that day and that particular race for me to believe that.
Yes finally
You have no idea what you're talking about. Sprinting is mostly about technique. Her technique is still unmatched to this day. Steroids has nothing to do with technique. Remember she also smashed the 200 m record which she still. Watch her form compared to others in slow motion
Hardly matters. FloJo was still faster. Just look at her run. All athletes today benefit from technology - track surfaces, shoes, even "supplements".
@@charlesdelaparra5997 what? Did u read what i wrote at all or just a part. Coz i clearly disregarded the drugs part about her. So what are u saying? And I also said I agree with the record since she was able to still do what she did in the 200m. So you're just repeating what i said because i spoke for and against. Learn to read properly before responding.
So all the sprinters had a pb that day or the wind just blew on lane 5
Brilliant video, always thought the cause of such a time was first and foremost the wind, secondly the amount of PEDS inside her system and thirdly her beautiful running style made for a perfect combination.
I don't see it ever being beaten in our lifetime.
She died at a very young age of just 38 from cardiac arrhythmia in 1998 due to an enlarged heart. The official cause of death was listed as an "unspecified coronary artery disease". However, many people have speculated that her death may have been caused by steroid abuse.
Many people also believe that Donald Trump is the POTUS in 2023, but...
No. She died of a seizure.
stop lying!!! that was not her cause of death, she had a seizure while sleeping and the autopsy showed NO abnormalities, meaning no enlarged heart!!
thanks
the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.
Bro this is the best channel on TH-cam. Thank you for your incredible hard work on this channel.
Obviously the wind meter malfunctioned for that heat. Obviously. Or there was corruption.
Elaine is the WR holder in my heart ❤️
Stop it
@@thialhoinj1971 stop believing lies. you can clearly see flags blowing.
@@thialhoinj1971You should stop it. How naive can one be?
the time itself is the evidence of the wind does not take away how fast flo jo ran downwind
but it takes away from Elaine Herah breaking the WR. Flojo would have broken the WR without this illegal run anyway
@@BP-gm2wwElaine nevet breaking the WR.
Little to it.
to me it's really interesting that men's records on 100, 200, 400 and 800 have been improving still (the latest being 2016) but yet the women's records are all from the 80s.
Don't beat about the bush - they were all doping, simple as.
There wasn’t a “drastic change” in Flo-Jo’s appearance. Just semi bigger muscle mass she generated in the span of 4 years. SAFP, Bolt, and pretty much every sprinter has had similar progressions in physicality.
There isn’t any direct evidence that could make me question the validity of the WR, there’s a continuous loop hole that devalues one narrative after the other. What remains is her title as the fastest woman of all time.
So it’s not suspicious to you at all that only her race had a wind reading of 0.0 while all the other races during that time on the day were over the allowable limit?
Agreed
@@averageenjoyer1690 How can you control when and how the wind rises, blows in one direction and then another from one second to the next. It is natural phenomenon
@@kojoharrison630 At that time the wind was clearly blowing at an angle that at least gave all athletes a slight positive wind. All races before and after that one showed this. Stop defending faulty times 🤦♂️
@@averageenjoyer1690 I was there and yes it was a windy day but it was also erratic in that it died down one minute then the next it was blowing in all kinds of directions. The starter was waiting for the triple jumpers to finish so Willie Banks jumped and then after that there was a calm. Flo-jo was lucky to have had that small gap of stillness and she went for it (Her husband Al Joyner was also in the Triple Jump squad and had said to her ''Dede go for the world record if the wind guage is normal''). You need to also STOP wasting your energy trying to debate something you can't change in a Million Years. The Entire World Athletics Governing Body has Scrutinized Flo-jo and her times and all the circumstances surrounding it and has found nothing untoward so STOP and Let It Rest!!
The performance of the others in the 2 0.0 races is the most compelling evidence it wasn't wind legal. However, as for drug usage, if you look at her only 2% increase in the 200 meter (not wind aided), her leap in performance isn't nearly so big.
FloJo leap in performance in 200m is 6 tenths of second in 1 year. Unheard of especially from a veteran athlete.
Yeah but you have to also take into perspective the methods of training they used back then. During that time period, they still went by the belief that running on the inside of the curve helps you run a faster time when in today’s world it doesn’t, along with other techniques such as re acceleration. And despite that she managed to improve by .62, a margin of the WR that hasn’t been contested in even the 400 and 800 women’s WR’s. The reason why people like Usain Bolt did not care too much for world records was the fact that he knew as technology got better and new methodologies developed after his career was over. But yet it’s been 34 years to the day and yet the WR has been relatively uncontested with the exception of Elaine running a 10.54 that was she hasn’t really been able to back up since the day. Case in point is just it seems so unlikely that someone can break the record by that margin without other factors being involved
@@lynchdavid2194 Usain Bolt dropped half a second off his 100m times between 2007 and 2008 and no one ever accused him of anything. It's not unheard of at all.
If you watch any of Flo-Jo's early races in her career she shows plenty of raw speed but her technique is rubbish, her arms are crossing over, her torso and head are wobbling, her knee lift is quite low. All things that are shifting movement into areas other than forward, which costs time. She still got a silver medal in the 200 in 1984 Olympics despite that so she had good speed. When she returned to the track in 1987 after a couple of years out she began training super hard with her husband Al Joyner who put her through a rigorous series of strength and technique routines. he obviously recognised her potential and set about trying to unleash it, which he clearly did. When you watch her in 1988 her technique is completely changed - she's almost perfect textbook form, which is VERY hard to achieve. She must have worked insanely hard to reach that level of perfection. There are pictures from her training in that era with a massive tractor tyre tied around her waist pulling it down the track, and running up flights of stairs over and over and over. Her training routine did not fuck around, that's for sure, she was hard core. It's also well known that she often trained at 400m, which increased her endurance in the 200, the 6 tenths improvement she made can almost wholly be attributed to that. There is another famous sprinter who did the same thing more recently and it worked insanely well for him too - the aforementioned Usain Bolt. If you want to improve your 200m speed then run some 400s. It works.
I was a track and field athlete as a younger man and I still participate at my local club, I also do a bit of sprint coaching. I know very well how hard it is to not only achieve perfect technique, but to have done it enough times that it becomes muscle memory. It's almost impossible to achieve. Technique matters, and Flo-Jo was the best example of this by a good margin. She had singular focus and unbreakable determination. This is exceedingly rare even among elite athletes.
The other more recent sprinter who springs to mind with excellent technique is Justin Gatlin. Yes he's had his drug problems, but watching him run it's possible to see how he achieves his speed - he doesn't have as much raw speed as most of his competitors but his technique is flawless and for him it makes enough of a difference.
If you train hard enough and be extremely disciplined in your technique you can drop half a second in a year no problems. I could provide a list of athletes who have done the same thing. It's not uncommon at all. Some of the kids I've trained have dropped more time than that when they start training hard. I had one kid who went from mid 12s to mid 10s in a year and a half, and he wasn't even training every day so it's absolutely do-able and not unheard of at all.
Did Flo-Jo use PEDs? I dunno. Probably. So did everyone else in that era. The Russians and East Germans had state sponsored programs, the GDR gave some of their female athletes so many steroids that some of them are now men. No kidding. They turned women into men with anabolic steroids. And yet Flo-Jo still beat them. At the very least all she did was level the playing field. Her true secret was technique. No woman has ever attained that level of sprinting discipline since, which goes some way to explaining why her record has remained unchallenged.
The most compelling evidence the race was wind legal was the equipment said 0.0, why ignore the equipment and the judges?
everyone there knew it wasn't a legal wind, and her improvement also means she was juiced.
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Flojo is the "All conditions" WR holder, assuming no "timing tampering" occurred. By the way, TRP deserves an award for the research put into this particular video. Well done. The WR's will be broken under "all legal conditions" in an unquestionable way. Its about time. Let's accept also that 5000 sittups daily is a BIG DEAL.
The way it looked like she was flying makes me think the wind was higher than reported.
Nice use of the Lemino music to start the video..
Not to mention all the high wind readings for other events that day.
Hmmm...
@@forrestgump3909 for sure, but even recently I've seen some 'high wind' races and the women had the same gliding/flying look as FloJo does in her WR clip.
It's pretty obvious I think for anyone that's watched enough of these races.
Didn’t FloJo have the shortest contact time with the track of any sprinter, male or female, in history?
Poetry in motion.
She could hold her fastest 10 m split times up for 40 m or a little more. Most men are lucky they can hold that for 15 m. It's all to do with her running technique. She had the best technique in the history of sprinting
Exactly.... her stride was AMAZING!!
All are fake and shameless lies, and that brainless born mental youtuber is the worst ever and She just ran at 33 kph 😂😂😂 which is totally nothing infront of real life hardworking fastest and strongest super hero women and boys (somewhat) in the world, and that dummy lady is nowhere near to an physically strongest & emotionally powerful will power having most determined and m beautiful iron lady or women in the world who are/is leading the life as a boss 😊
It's not the duration of contact but the amount of force by which you hit the ground that determines how fast you go.
Yes, she did. Her feet barely hit the floor, and her strides were wicked long.
Great vid! I would like to see a simple statistical analysis of all readings on the field that day. What is the confidence interval for the mean? Likewise, you were on the right track looking at times over the season and careers of individuals. Again, try to do a statistical analysis of the data. There are also distributions to examine the probability of multiple simultaneous events occurring -- apply these.
This is honestly, one of the best of the shortest video breakdowns to show the many flaws that was possible to happen on that World Record day.🚫🥇🚫🏃♀️🚫🏳🚫
Great video as always . Out of curiosity, what would her time be is you took an overall average wind reading calculation and worked out a time difference?
9.57!
Excellent video and great research! Just a few things to point out for clarity, however: 1. At 15:15 the beginning of the race, the guy is holding the flag up behind the starters and it is not blowing. 2. Looking at Gail Devers season times, she ran this exact same time this season with just 2.1MPS wind and much faster with 3.0MPS wind that same season (just for perspective on how much wind there “may” have been, if any). 3. FloJo did not retire at the time of random drug testing announcement. If we look at the video of FloJo announcing her retirement, it was February 1989. Random drug testing was announced June/July of 1989, and wasn’t implemented until October/November 1989. So, we need to be very clear here on suspicions around her retirement. 4. When we say many runners ran significantly faster on this day/in this year, there are other factors to consider aside from just wind. We give grace to athletes at altitude, when we know that’s a factor, as well. But, what about overall air quality, weather, etc., that we don’t measure or have enough education today to use as a gauge? It is quite possible “luck” was on her side there all together. But, 5. While it is claimed others significantly ran PB’s, let’s go back to the actual Olympics where FloJo backed up this performance by showing 10.7 was nothing for her, 10.6X was nothing for her in the rounds, and she still ran a 10.54 with 3.0 wind (conversion at 10.69 0MPS and 10.65 at 2MPS) AFTER running all those lightening fast rounds and her first 200M world record! To think FloJo could run a legal 10.49 given all these circumstances is not too outrageous.
ALL of the athletes ran SLOWER in semis and finals than in quaterfinals, and semis and finals were {legally} wind aided +1.6 m/s and +1.2 m/s, whereas QFI and QFII read 0.0.... when they ALWAYS run faster in finals and semis than in quarters... and thats for ALL the athletes in those races, not just FloJo... thats not even statistically replicated. 10.61 was the real WR and makes perfect sense with here other times of 21.34 and 10.54 (+3 m/s). She was crazy fast, just not 10.49 legal fast.
@@ochoymedio78 if you’re saying they all ran faster in the other rounds than semis and finals, then you’re saying they lacked proper round management. This would also mean they ran slower in the final because they burned out, right? In that event, she ran a slightly windy 10.54 with 3MPS wind.
So, with your logic, you’re claiming she was slower, but your explanation would mean she could run FASTER, not slower!
@@stevie586 not at all, I'm saying its statistically impossible that ALL athletes ran slower in semis and finals UNLESS the wind in QF was stronger, which it was for QFIII (5 m/s) and also for QFI and QFII (0.0???). Bad round management for everybody? C'mon... And besides, maybe you don't know, the finals (+1.2m/s) were on the next day.... so they were fresher and eager to run faster as it is ALWAYS the case for a finals in an olympic trial. Is evident that the wind gauge placing was defective for the QFI & II, so they moved it and started working properly again, as this video states. The 10.54 with 3m/s is totally logic with her 10.61 +1.2m/s. FloJo was a 10.60 fast, not 10.49 fast.
@@ochoymedio78 I think you’re manipulating the contents of the comments to claim a certain result, but you’re not making sense to me. It is not statistically impossible for them to run slower in the finals, because that happens all the time. Furthemore, if a person runs an extremely fast time never previously run, that person will tear certain muscle fibers which needs much more than just one day to recover! Anyone who understands how the body and recovery work knows this, and back then, people ran the rounds too fast.
I think you’re doing extreme speculation on the wind. I provided excellent examples for comparison’s sake with the wind readings of Gail Devers. We see two examples of Gail Devers running certain times with certain wind…one being an identical time with 2.1 wind (hardly illegal), and the next being much faster than 3.0 wind, and here you are speculating 5.0 wind! LoL…that’s a very big difference and if you think she could run 10.60/10.61 legal and this was with 5MPS wind, with we all knowing she said she ran her absolute hardest here, that would be a time conversation of 10.38, not 10.49! Although I can agree with you there may have been more than 0mps wind at some point, you are grossly exaggerating 5.0 wind and understating her relent tremendously! I further support my statement by addressing her rounds in the Olympics, where let’s not forget, she ran that 10.62 Olympic record with 1mps wind not running her fastest. 10.62 with 1mps converts to 10.68 with 0mps. 10.68 with 2MPS is a legal 10.54. 10.60 with 2MPS converts to 10.46 in Seoul and 10.47 in Indianapolis. Either way, at worst, FloJo running maximum effort with 2.0 legal wind still puts FloJo at 10.4X either way! So, respectfully, your math isn’t mathing at all. However you got 5MPS wind and 10.60 legal best just doesn’t add up.
@@stevie586 1) you are wrong, show me ONE final AND semifinal where ALL the athletes run slower than in the quaterfinals, you said it happens "all the time"... ok, just show me one example
FloJ semifinal was 10.70 with +1.6m/s and her final was 10.61 with +1.2m/s..all LOGIC
2) I never said it was 5m/s. I said that the QFIII had a reading of 5m/s AFTER they readjust the wind gauge which was in an evident, wrong spot, as suggested in this video also (0.0 reading in a windy afternoon where the triple jump had readings up to 6 m/s, and the QFIII had 5m/s??)
3) you are getting your own self confused with the wind and FloJos times. FloJos best legals times are 10.61 and 10.62 and both were wind aided +1.2m/s and +1m/s. And your conversion is speculative, she DID run with strong tailwind of 3m/s and got a 10.54 in the final. She was a 10.60 runner (with wind of 1/1.2 m/s) which is AMAZING and ahead of its time, just not 10.49.
Nobody will ever be able to prove anything about Flo Jo one way or the other. What we do have is video showing her just gliding down the track with a serene expression on her face that turns into a smile at the end. Just beautiful.
A guess ~ 20 or 30 years down the line there'll be incredulity 'we' were able to disregard common sense and overwhelming circumstantial evidence ~ but an acknowledgement that, in what was effectively a level playing field, it was a technical masterpiece.
We will look silly; FJ will look 'just beautiful' albeit staggeringly juiced.
Not only is she insanely fast w/ perfect technique it's the distance she puts between other at the end that's just soo disrespectful.
R.I.P. Gorgeous Queen to best the ever do it.❤🎉❤🎉😍
Flo-JoGOAT!!!
She is indeed very graceful despite the doubts.
Amazing analysis. I hope you can cover Ben Johnson's 1988 100m finals disqualification
He admitted to doping and there are several videos. He also accused Carl of doping too.
I remember when Total Running Productions would take great strides to side step the PED topic.
It seems times have changed.
I applaud you for dealing with the topic.
Got curious, so did some wind adjustment calculations. Worst case scenario at a +5.0 wind as seen in QF3, Flo-Jo's 10.49 would be around 10.71, with a +2.7 it would be around 10.63. With a legal +2.0, it would be 10.60.
I was too lazy to look up the fastest and slowest wind readings from that day (I do not believe the 0.0 reading, and that was before I learned it happened twice from this vid) but even if you use the fastest wind reading in this vid, +7, Flo-Jo still matches the previous WR of 10.76.
She ran an incredibly good race that would still have been a WR in wind-legal conditions. Take this time from her records and she is still the second-fastest woman to ever sprint.
That she quit racing just as a more effective method for catching drug cheats was being implemented will always be suspicious. Athletes retire when they're slowing down, not when they're getting faster unless an injury forces it.
It's a gorgeous race to watch, she just flows down that track. I want to believe it's a real WR but I can't. I REALLY want to believe she was clean... but I'm doubtful.
Dude, every single T+F athlete during the 80's was juiced up to the eyeballs. Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster". Olympic officials said that if they hadn't under rug swept DOZENS of tests, then 1/2 the gold medals in the mens sprint and hurdles events woud have been denied.
Was she juiced? Probably. Was EVERY ONE ELSE? EQUALLY probably. What u wanna do? Go back through history and remove everyones records?`
They asked 1000 top internation athletes, just a few years back, if they could take a drug right now that would 100% sure win them the gold medal at the next Olympics, BUT they would only have 4 more years to live after winning, would they take it? Over 70% said YES.
You aint gonna stop the juicing, ever. Sad but true.
She had trained to and developed a flawless technique that combined optimum force exerted on the track and minimal contact. There is a very good scientific analysis somewhere on TH-cam that gives it in detail. She got it right. There is also the matter of her 200m record. In both those events she got her running exactly right. She could relax whilst running very, very fast. She had worked out how to flow down the track, and she flowed better than anyone else before or since. Leave her alone.
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I believe it happen and it’s the true time. She holds the world record. ❤️👑💯
I believe it's not legit. She holds the world record unfairly.
To ALL Doubters ! Research Bob Beamon ! 😅.
Very good research on the race bar none. That sister was as natural as they come and she got a little help from the spirit realm. That extra wind was that push from the God's who gave her divine favor. For those who keep hating have a seat somewhere and let her soul rest in peace.
Even if the wind readings were inaccurate, Flo-Jo's 10.61 time in the finals still would have been the world record for 33 years, as well as her olympic record of 10.62. If anything, it shows more suspicion over her PED use as to how she could have such a dominant season in 1988, that her world records, wind or no wind, held up for 30+ years. Beyond what was mentioned here, there have been some whispers from Evelyn Ashford and Victor Conte that implicate Flo-Jo without naming her.
And the much villified gwen torrence who also stated same.
I guess the wind blew only on lane 5 huh
De Merode, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, said Griffith Joyner was singled out for extra, rigorous drug testing during the 1988 Olympic Games following rumors of steroid use. De Merode said, Manfred Donike, who was at that time considered to be the foremost expert on drugs and sports, failed to discover any banned substances during that testing. The World Anti-Doping Agency was created in the 1990s, removing control of drug testing from the IOC and De Merode. De Merode later stated: "We performed all possible and imaginable analyses on her. We never found anything. There should not be the slightest suspicion."
@@AEdavirginOther women in that race also ran personal bests. It says so right in the video.
Flo has admitted to using steroids in her past, and died from very suspicious circumstances at a very young age that is linked to steroid abuse. The common type of death in bodybuilding due to enlarged hearts due to steroid abuse.
The One thing people seem to forget , Is Just how Far she was in front of 10.7 & 10.8 runners. Ashford could run 10.76 but was miles behind. I have heard at the time the wind was blowing 92 degrees from the side of the athletes, Hence why the gauge didn't record it.
Please remember Elanie Thompson has run 10.54 and nobody questions that. In the 88 Olympics she was equally far ahead rinning 10.54w & 10.62 .
I think the SHOCK of how just how far ahead she was caused many a competitor show a bit of sour grapes. She was the Usain Bolt of her time pure and simple and I wish people would cherish this once in a generation athlete more.
As for the 'drugs' question ..... I think people are truly nieve if they believe Florence wouldn't be doing what all other top athletes were doing. R.I.P Flo Jo ... You were the GREATEST !!!
There's no way you can argue the legitimacy of Elaine's 10.54. Why is that?
@@rcrdhs How did she go from 10.54 to barely breaking 11s the next season? Also, she was extra motivated that day because of Shacarri.
Amazing what drugs can do isnt it?
I look at her body/muscles readings and they are spectacular!
Flo's technique was and still is head and shoulders above anybody else. That's the reason for her record. She was just an unbelievable runner
Exactly! Why does it matter what the reading was? She was the fastest woman, PERIOD!
It was wind aided therefor shouldn’t exist and she was on roids…. Get over it and watch this video evidence of it
@creoletatted8790 There is absolutely no valid evidence of neither wind nor roids. If anything today's Fraser is so obviously roided, going back after pregnancy and at her age going from a normal sprinter to suddenly become a multi medalist
@@Mimi-mo9np look at the distance between her and everyone else and look at her flawless technique. She was and still is the golden reference for a sprinter, simply amazing
@@andreamantovani5354 did you watch the video???? It read no wind but you can literally see all of the flags blowing like it was a damn hurricane lmaooo Then right after the race you can see the damn commentator shirt and collar blowing up from the strong wind 😂 But the wind meter read ZERO wind???? Where’s your common sense? You also had sprinters ran personal best times that race ironically lmao Then after she broke the record bc of the high wind and and lack of steroid testing she IRONICALLY retired bc the very next year steroid testing was finally being utilized lmaooo Why is there so many coincidences and irony’s?? Her ex husband even came out saying she was roided… an ex sprinter came out on her as well! She died from a heart attack at a young age in tip top shape? Roid usage!
Coincidence. I believe it was legitimate. This confuses me on why people question her capabilities of running that fast. Was it just abnormal for a woman to run under 10.6 or was/is it impossible for any woman to run 10.4. Sudden improvement has happened amongst various athletes such as Yohan Blake who went from 19.7 to a 19.2 in the 200m, even a teenager running 19.4? That's questionable. If Flojo ran that 10.61(which by a small few consider that to be her PB) in the olympic trail finals with her arms in the air prior to crossing the finish line, why couldn't she had ran a "legal" 10.4? If she could run a 10.6 with ease, why couldn't she achieved a 10.4??? I think people should ask themselves that question. If she ran the second half in the 200m in 10.16 celebrating, then why couldn't she ran a solid "legal" 10.4 or perhaps a 10.3 in the 100m?
Yes, and 10.49 is even barely a 10.4, closer to 10.5 flat. So it’s only one tenth difference.
Forget about the wind, clearly side wind or maybe 'rose' of winds, pure luck as it was mentioned. She hits turbo on 30m mark, just look at the length of her steps, marvelous!
14:08 -> One more strong wind evidence. Look at the bottom part of the jacket/suit of the official starter guy, there are 2-3 layers of fabric with one relatively heavy where all fluttering like thin nylon ribbon.
Thank you, very good document.
..would create a massive project close to three or four hours long, so we won't even attempt to cover everything surrounding this moment.
Or,
This was fascinating and maybe a 3 hour documentary would be worth making.
Great video keepvup the great work.
Questioning the wind-readings is one thing but accusing of her doping with zero evidence is completely different. That’s why I don’t engage in the topic as much because a lot of the criticism comes from bias.
It’s unfortunate because the WR gave her an incredible legacy but the controversy surrounding it has put a dent in that same legacy. She’s received so much disrespect over the past 2 years and irritates the shit out of me.
Exactly. Same here. I genuinely believe the wind reading was wrong and so that record faulty. However the drug accusations are no no as they are impossible to prove from any angle and so there literally is no point in having such conversation and i believe it should be put to bed.
No one runs faster than Marion jones without drugs
I get what you’re saying, but personally I assume every athlete from 1970s-1990s was doping unless they proved otherwise 🤷
Anyone who raced before 1989 will be under scrutiny as there was no out of comp drug testing lol
Yes, this is my take as well. I'll argue with people over the wind reading & I personally believe it was wind aided, so her best under legal conditions was 10.61 (the WR for basically 30 years), but I see no point engaging in conversation on drugs.
Just a fast track on the day, happens on some tracks even now as surfaces react to other factors you didn't consider such as humidity and barometric pressure. Even a 45° crosswind from behind would make it trickier for a sprinter to keep perfect balance and run straight, look at how it affects formula one cars severely in some races despite their incredible aerodynamics.....
Her performance in the race was poetry in motion, she virtually floated over the surface with that slightly leaning backwards stance like no other runner. Clean ? Probably. Suspect wind reading? Possibly. But what is perfectly clear was that she obliterated every other high class athlete in the race who all had the benefit of the same 'suspect' conditions. I would like to think her improvements were genuinely down to a radical training programme, after all she still didn't have the 'power' physique of many of the sprinters of today......
Her physique changed so rapidly and her voice lowered. She suddenly struggled to conceal facial hair. And retired at her peak 8 mos later when random testing was implemented.
@@cjcurtis8944most athletes retire at the top, Usain Bolt did, it means nothing. Can't say I noticed her voice change noticebly over the years in interviews. Never saw her with a beard or moustache either so I can't comment on her facial hair. I don't doubt if you did several thousand sit ups a day that your physical appearance would change 😂. In the absence of ZERO actual evidence during her lifetime or even after her death she should be given the benefit of the doubt. She was an exceptional athlete who improved over her career just as most athletes these days still do. I'm not saying she definitely didnt cheat or get lucky with the wind, I'm just saying there's zero hard evidence, simply suspicion and supposition 😁
Flo has the best form of any sprinter. She nailed the physics, from stride count to foot strike, to being completely relaxed which she said was the key to her success. Flo Jo never tried to win the start. She focused on top speed by the 60th meter. She is a technical sprinting genius.
Firstly, if you look at the starting marshals, they are holding white flags, which are all stretched out in the same direction at the start and the first part of the race. This is far more significant than the tall flags, due to boundary layer drag, and possible shielding at ground level.
However, whilst this goes to the absolute time and record, it does not address Flo Jo's dominance in this year, and in this race. Look at the way, she pulls ahead of all the other runners, in the closing quarter. Only outstanding strong runners, much more powerful than everyone else, do this. Such as say Usain Bolt at his best. This indicates a large proportion of the run, was Flo Jo's dominance and power at the time. She ran a perfect race, which required power, no other female sprinter had at the time.
Flo Jo's performance that year, strongly suggests PEDs, given it was such a leap forward, in her personal performance. It is also very atypical, for an athlete to suddenly retire, at the pinnacle of their performance, at a relatively young age. Then there is claim that she had HGH at the time, which tests were not good at detecting in 1988. Remembering that Ben Johnson in the so called dirtiest 100m race in history, hadn't tested positive until the Olympics. If you read the book by Charlie Francis his coach, who was very open about the drug use, Ben Johnson shouldn't have tested positive, and the insinuation of Francis, is that Johnson needlessly took some extra steroids near the race, and had not obtained the steroids through Francis, his doctors and that his using them was needless, as it would have given no performance advantage, as for maximum performance, steroids were ended some time before the peak race of the season. In other words, it was obvious from Francis' admissions, that coaches and doctors knew how to beat the drug testing in 1988, and someone with the right doctors and assistance, could heavily use PEDs in 1988, and never be detected. This makes Flo Jo's negative tests and clean record meaningless, as it is very clear at this time, it was easily possible to avoid positive tests, with the right advice, even if an athlete was heavily using PEDs. Remember, a large proportion of the top athletes were using PEDs at the time, it was not just a few bad apples. This is why, even if Flo Jo was using PEDs, that it was also likely many of her rivals were, which means her performance that year, was exceptional regardless, because it wasn't a case that she was a drug cheat and no one else was.
I once read where the wind reading obtained from the wind gauge at the long jump runway, which was directly next to the 100m stretch, registered a strong positive reading at the time of this race.
it was the triple jump and the video shows that precisely
Flo-Jo had never run quicker than 10.96/21.94 prior to June '88 and suddenly 'retired' in her prime at age 29 after the best season of her life coincidentally after random drug testing was introduced in the sport in '89 as a result of the Ben Johnson scandal. Does any more need to be said?! Every Woman's WR from the 100-800m are equally worthy of scepticism & scrutiny! There's also the flat 3000m WR by Wang Junxia & a number of other Chinese athletes in Sep '93, as well as the Women's Shot Put & Discus WRs from the 80s.
I mean 9 of pryce best times all came in the last year, and she's 36. You don't question she's on something? Her 10th fastest time was back 2012.
You're crazy if you thing any of these girls are clean lol.
Look at her physique when she ran 10.89. No upper body strength, soft lower body. Never touched a weight. Still world class. One could argue 'all steroids' but you don't build a body like that without hard work. Could she drop .4 with just strength work? Possibly. That being said, there certainly are plenty of red flags!
Also, after all these years, why can't we dig up the truth??
@@amosglitterz2649 it's hard to tell. The girls today definitely on something tho. They are breaking 10:70 every month.
@@thialhoinj1971 I hear you but hitting the weights is common place today and part of every coach's game plan. Even the distance guys. I ran D1 back in the 70s and our strength program was "there's the weight room". It makes sense that everyone's running faster now just from that.
I agree with your conclusion
Not only is she insanely fast, with perfect technique, but also the results she achieved as a result of a lot of training raised her to an outstanding level, reaching the title of the best athlete in the world.
REST IN PEACE. Beautiful queen doing it best ever.❤🎉😍🥰♥️
You post the same stuff everywhere. You worship FloJo as if she is a goddess. It is a religion for you.
@@toresvenson6449 😂