The 100 Meter World Record: The Impossible Mystery Of Florence Griffith Joyner
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If you run the race in slow-mo, you can see Flo Jo actually rode a motorcycle half the race.
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😂 that explain it all!
Invisible unicorn
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I never seen the strides that she ran with duplicated. She flew, knees high and extended, beautiful !
Amazing. Beautiful. Sprinting perfection.
And juiced to the gills
@@rajendranadarajan8931not juiced at all unless you're talking about orange juice. Can't give excuses for people who are just great.
@@rajendranadarajan8931prove it.
@@anthonyeames4678 Juiced with steroids!
She came from nowhere, I can understand the suspicions. Improved her 100m by 0.5 seconds in the sane season. Her sudden retirement, a year before mandatory testing and untimely death further casts a shadow over her accomplishments
Plus the actual claim by another US athlete that he sold her drugs.
you say 'casts a shadow'. I say 'she cheated'
@@ssarmazi allegedly her heart issue was something congenital, allegedly she never knew about it. however, the other issues are cause for suspicion on drug use.
look at every profile arguing in favour of Flo, I wont say why they are bias.
It’s documented that previous efforts as a runner,were average times and no where near fast times.We know how she then attained world record times in the olympics? Unfortunately this lady then died at a young age and no medical doctor has sworn what she died of?
To date the best documented TRP video and best compilation of race angles for that wr. Flo was the most technically sound runner ever, man or woman. Her technique made her look like she was gliding, it was effortless. Her foot strike, stride length, knee lift, block positioning- perfection. I will be studying this video for quite some time. Well done TRP
Asafa Powell also has flawless technique
With that technical technique so call knowledge you got you should be the record holder
@@peterhall823 usain bolt had other advantages that overcame his imperfect form
If you go a little bit higher, David Rudisha had a pretty amazing stride, he looked so effortless in any race from 400 to 1k, but ofc is a whole different history sprints and middle distance
@peterhall823 and Michael Jordan should be greatest gm but doesn't work that way.
FINALLY someone talks about the next race also having a 0.0 m/s wind reading. That detail basically proves the anemometer was broken but literally no one ever mentioned that. Easily the best video on this subject
@@Listenclose2024 it would be very statistically weird for that to happen twice in a row and then never again, and the fact that most runners in both races pb'd by a big margin makes the side wind explanation a bit weird imo since it's still a disadvantage to runners
So why is flo Jo the only one who ran that fast? I mean did the wind not affect the other runners?
So what does that have to do with anything? Who cares you people will discredit her until someone breaks it then when they break it I hope y’all give them hell just like that did Flo Jo.
@@ronnieyoung2075I think the point was the wind took Flojo, who in 1988 was a 10.6 runner, to a 10.4 runner. It helped the other runners too but they were all much slower than she was.
@@CHEETAH69 I don’t think that’s the case. She is the only runner to pb in that race. Not even the world record holder , Evelyn ashford, prior to that race ran a pb
This is the first video I have watched on this channel. A very well made documentary on Flo-Jo. Subscribed.
After many years, you finally fully adressed this situation, and made an impressive 29 minute docummentary about it. Hats off, thanks for taking the time and effort to produce this video, and thanks for providing a wide audience with tons of information about this subject
It's not a documentary if it's one sided.
@@Qdub34 - I would agree, however, as a trained STATISTICIAN, I trust math! At 17:32 Chapter 4 shows how all the other competitors in the two 0.0 wind heats that day broke their own best records by a significant amount. Hence; we'd call this an 'outlier' of our data points, even considering standard deviation for good/bad days of racing. Everything else is pure crap, speculation, and/or hearsay. 📈📊💹📈
I agree with @GunnWrights, it's the wind. There was probably an error with the instrument. Flo-Jo was very very lucky! It was not drugs, all other suggestions are mere speculations and should be discounted.
People have the wrong idea about steroids. They think they are some kind of "speedy juice" that an athlete can take before a race to make themselves fast. It just doesn't work that way.
@@Qdub34 If not, what is it then? And what's the other side, just don't believe in anything?
Behind Flo-Jo, as the race gets underway, the white flag is blowing in the wind, held by the person standing in her lane. (best view at 17:49/26:31). The person then lowers the flag, which can be seen to be still blowing for the remainder of the race (close up footage 14:22).
Thank you for such a detailed, well-researched video.
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That is not conclusive evidence. That doesn't give a wind reading of speed or direction. Just saying the wind is blowing is not enough.
@@Qdub34It is additional evidence that the wind-gauge may have been faulty, because it read 0.00. Regardless of the wind's direction that has to be wrong.
I agree it is not conclusive evidence of either wind-speed or direction, and of course I did not say that was the case.
so the wind only helped her time???
@@troyrodgers9790 the video clearly shows that most of the athletes benefitted. Triple jump record was not allowed, but 100m record was allowed??
The importance of the testing change wasn’t that it became random (that was already happening) it was that athletes could be tested out of competition for the first time for US athletes. Steroids, growth hormone and to some extent EPO are training drugs. They don’t provide any real in competition advantage. What they do do is provide a stronger training response to training inputs leading to greater improvement for a given level of training effort and allow the body to sustain greater training effort without injury.
If you are going to catch people using such drugs you have to test out of competition during the training period. All of Flo-Joe’s test were during competition when she will have had a month or so free of drugs to wash them out of her system. She retired exactly when that pattern was no longer viable.
@@JenSumma Now at the top level you have to have a blood passport. That means 20ml blood samples every week. That is to monitor levels of hormones, precursors, metabolic products, stimulating hormones (like FSH and LH, both have key roles in men as well as women) and other things looking for changes over time that are not self consistent. It is a much more rigorous regime nowadays.
EPO is absolutely an in competition substance. Cyclists used it during the races to carry more red blood cells which should carry more oxygen. Furthermore, you are behind in your steroid knowledge. There are exceptionally fast metabolized steroids that can be used in competition during an event and will be out of the system quickly after,
@@metaforcesaber firstup you don’t seem to understand how EPO acts. It works by stimulating the bone marrow stem cells to produce red blood cells. This increases the number of red blood cells in the blood a week or two after administration. That increased level of blood cells will then last a couple of weeks. EPO is definitely a “training” drug as its effects persist long after the “drug” has left the athletes system. It is not an in competition drug, one that has to be taken on the day of competition to give its effect, like caffeine, adrenaline antagonists like amphetamines or salbutamol, or diuretics. A cyclist wouldn’t carry a syringe of EPO in their back pocket the way Tommy Simpson was found with 2 empty amphetamine tubes and one full one in his jersey pocket on the day he died on Mont Ventu. The same with the quickly metabolised anabolic steroids which again don’t have a biological action important in competition as they are antagonists of muscle building hormones which act by enhancing training stimulation rather than by changing physiological processes during an event. Unless you are confusing metabolic steroids, like cortisol agonists which still have their effects during recovery or prolonged exercise (several hours) and are utterly pointless for sprinters, with anabolic steroids.
Besides which we were talking about the situation in 1988/89 where most of these things, including EPO, were not available and things like growth hormone and EPO were undetectable as they are indistinguishable from the metabolic produced hormones.
Mind you if Flo-Jo was taking human growth hormone during the mid eighties she was lucky to die when she did and avoid the likelihood of CJD in later life as it was obtained from human cadavers and was often contaminated with prions.
@@JenSumma does your ex know you still comment about him and how his piss tests would scare YOU? doesnt make any sense. also the guy's came to a conclusion and has his own opinion. if you come away from this thinking nothing your brain is just empty
if she was taking peds so was all the other runners and she still beat them
I never knew about the following race also being 0.0m/s !
The chance of that is unbelievable
Very good video. You made some good points but all I can see is her stellar running movement! It was flawless!
Can say the same for Marion Jones, but she admitted to doping.
@@OasisChristianMeditation99 She wasn't nearly the runner FloJo was and she was twice as muscular.
This is one of the best informative videos on this subject that I’ve seen since reading my subscription to The Track & Field News back in 88’
This is such a great video. Good Job!!
Great video. You forgot to say that, despite being a QF, the times ran by the sprinters in QFI and QFII (both with 0.0 m/s wind) and QFIII (+5m/s), they ALL RAN SLOWER in semis and Finals, even though both races had (legal) wind aid of +1.6m/s and +1.2 m/s.... when normally you ran faster at semis or finals than in quarterfinals....
So basically we've been had. Looking at those flags move like crazy ( Including the one an official is holding at the start line) due to wind proves they lied. The record should be scrapped.
This is my question too, what were the other runners times, comparatively.
@@travisolson3018 there's a paper written by a university to the IAAF where you can read that, not only all the athletes ran faster in those QF than in semis or final, but that all but 2 (one of the Gail Devers, which prime would come in years after, and the other Evelyn Ashford, whose prime was 4 years before this olympic qualifiers), had their PBs in those quaterfinales. they ALL had their season best for sure and all but 2 had their personal bests....
Carl Lewis in that weekend in Indianapolis ran 9.78 on the 100 m with too strong tailwind th-cam.com/video/MVRl8gihrHM/w-d-xo.html.
Flo Jo's sprinting technique = the bes ever , but most definitely the wind was blowing way too hard and most likely Florence doped big time.
Btw Carl Lewis doped also like all the Seoul 100meter finalists !!
@@bertuskamphof3132u saying all this with no proof of anything just throwing 💩against the wall hopping🙏it sticks🤦
Fantastic video and I give you credit for all of the research that went into this as well as the neutral and unbiased commentary.
Honestly, I think the women's 400m record of Marita Koch is more worthy of skepticism. The use of anabolic steroids in East Germany was endemic and programmatic during the time she set the record. At the Reunification of Germany in 1990 the records held by the East German Secret Police (Stasi) were turned over to West German authorities. Those records included dosages and the athletes who were given them. Those records included Marita Koch and the doses of steroids she was given. Several East German athletes have come forward and voluntarily asked their records be removed. Koch has not. She also never tested positive.
And the 800 wr to
Both 400m and 800m records need to go
The 200, 400 & 800m were ran by drugs cheats, but it can't really be proven. The 100m can be proven that it should have never been ratified.
You watch Koch run her WR time and it’s just insane. There’s no way she wasn’t loaded to the gills with drugs.
Every Woman's WR from the 100-800m are equally worthy of scepticism! There's also the flat 3000m WR by Wang Junxia & a number of other Chinese athletes in Sep '93, as well as the Women's Shot Put & Discus WRs!
I'm just a plain old guy and I picked up on your comment about her retiring from competition soon after her she peaked. As I seem to remember, she started having children and raising them. No side implication needed here.
she passed away at 38, and it was something odd like a seizure.
one child. a daughter. she died in her sleep of an epileptic seizure.
I remember it like you. Seems like a reach
She won the 1988 Olympics in September/October of said year. She then retired from the sport 5 months later in February 1989. She got pregnant a year later in February/March 1990 and gave birth in November. The “side implication” is definitely valid!
@@i1mzshe could have just retired because she won her golds and wanted to start a family with her husband
Excellent video, I really enjoyed watching this. I remember watching her races on TV during that year, and her performances were totally mind blowing. Her appearance was also quite stunning. I've read that she was previously a part time athlete, and for the build up to the 1988 Olympic year it was the first time she was able to train full time. If that story is true, that would make a big difference to her performance. Maybe she was just an incredible athlete, like a female Usain Bolt of her time, and 1988 was the first time she was able to show her true potential. Just a thought.
They had all the same wind and she was still the one "flying" Look at her perfect technique! that is so awesome!
possible doping
Several of them ran lifetime best times in that race.
Flying on drugs.
@@squatch545 you say that like the other competitors weren’t.
It's called cheating.
My grandfather always told me to live my life as I see fit because you can't please everyone.
Just make sure that you don't purposely displease anyone unless absolutely necessary.
They will say and think of you whatever they wish, as it is beyond your control.
I watched this entire video and read a great number of comments and they are fairly even.
Sadly it's about a woman who's deceased and yet the opinions wouldn't change if she were here to dispute or embrace them.
Rest in peace Florence Griffith Joyner ❤️🙏🏾
WTF does your grandfather have to do with the controversy of steroids in T&F?
@@papadavewatson😂😂😂
Just because somebody dead don't mean they above scrutiny of PED use
@@ricki-bobby is your name actually ricki bobby 😆
@@ricki-bobby is this the real ricki bobby or a knock off ?
2 plausible reasons on why she didn't run again are 1) her seizures, (according to the family attorney) a major one happening in 1990, with treatment in '93-'94 and 2) pregnancy and subsequent birth in 1990.
You may of course be correct. However, many athletes continue competing despite illness and giving birth. Have you also considered other and obvious reasons why FloJo quit?
Don't forget the introduction of better testing at peds off season
Or that she tested positive and it was covered up after the massive embarrasment in the men's final.
Adding a third, which is her stated reason: she got sponsorship and business opportunities that paid significantly better and were less physically demanding than running.
Also she was already in her late 20s and had gone to two olympics. I really don't find it that suspicious. We're so used to the modern olympics where athletes compete for multiple olympics, people forget athletes used to burn out much quicker
If we take an average of the wind readings from prior and subsequent events it gets us to around 3.5 m/s. Has anyone calculated what difference it would make? If we were able to somehow deduct time for the wind assistance, what time does she set? I'm guessing she's still in the 10.5 range somewhere, arguably still fast enough to hold the record. The fact she ran 10:54 in Seoul backs this up. It took Elaine Thompson until 2021 to equal that time, with vastly improved shoes, track surfaces, and computerised training models, and she has only dipped into the 10.5s once in her entire career. The girls from the GDR and USSR were drugged to the eyeballs in 1988 and could only manage high 10.7s. Despite everything, you have to agree Flo-Jo was special. That girl could RUN.
The report by Linthorne mentioned in the video goes into quite a bit of detail estimating the actual wind assistance during the race. It was much more than 0.05 seconds.
This is where I fall too. It just seems like some people can't deal with the fact that a record has not been broken for them to see. It will fall eventually and those people will cheer it on, but it won't take away the sheer brilliance of Mrs Joyner's performance and her mastery of her craft.
Okkkkkk, I Agree 👍🏽 💯
The year 1988 exposed may athletes in multiple sports doping with steroids and other performance enhancers. I believe Ben Johnson had his gold medal stripped that same year including Marion Jones soon after. It was the era of steroids and I believe many athletes got away with using it especially track & field, biking and baseball. We will never know exactly who and to what extent but we do know it was a major stain in sports history. It wasnt just the US and USSR but it was world-wide. From the lethal and fatal AIDS virus that instantly killed many to world-wide use of steroids that made people feel like immortals. The 80's was a crazy and epic time in human history especially in sports.
@@Qdub34Her legal 10.61, which was the record until 2021, was still absolutely ridiculous. That 1988 season was extremely fishy, and her early retirement only supports that idea. But until proven otherwise, that 10.61 remains as one of the fastest runs in history, and it happened more than 30 years ago. And obviously, she has the 200 record still
THIS WAS AN AWESOME VIDEO!!! BOMB!!! At the end of the day, I don't know if her run was legal or not, but I know that her technique was a thing of beauty! She ran with the grace and elegance of a gazelle or a thoroughbred horse! Her form and stride were beautiful... knees high, legs extended, feet barely touching the track, as if she was running on air! AND IT LOOKED EFFORTLESS! Her facial expression was always serene and seemingly unbothered, unlike the usual gritting of teeth you see in the face of most sprinters. LOL!!! I haven't seen anyone who looks like that! The moniker "Flo-Jo" fit her well...
You know, you just don't want to admit it and ruin the illusion but you know.
@@basquat76exactly..Marion Jones didn’t even break the record. And she took 5 medals, she still didn’t break it juiced up. This is ridiculous, they know what happen. It’ll NEVER be broken because all the wind, the roids etc it’s sickening
Beautifully written
@@basquat76know what?
@@Ishbikessickening! You seem to have anger issues.
Exellent video and analsys. Thanks :)
Thanks TRP for such an incredible breakdown surrounding this WR. I would love to see you do a documentary on both the women’s 400m and 800m world records as no female athlete has been anywhere close to the times since the 80s.
He has made that video. search.
All those 80's records were tarnished by steroids. The advances testing has weeded out the cheats, Americans and Europeans alike
Yup
Love this work you did.
Her stride and cadence was exceptional and unique. The person closest to emulating it is Thompson-Herah, who also has come closest to the record. Funny that.
Exactly! She’s at 10.54
She cheated. Just accept it.
Well researched. Looking at the race with simplicity, Flo Jo's high knees running style was more efficient than the other runners. I see it in Sha'carri Richardson. Their feet barely touch the ground.
Steroids baby
@@Ishbikes. Steroids doesn’t affect technique.
@@IshbikesSteroids don’t help technique or speed
@@urtheboss1 steroids don’t help speed??? 😅 are you serious
@@Ishbikesthe person is talking about TECHNIQUE, nothing to do with steroids. Read S-L-O-W-E-R next time.
Thank you for creating and sharing such an objective and in-depth analysis on the 100m WR. Being that each QF race is run 10 mins apart, the most telling part is this: QF 1 (her race) wind reading 0.0. QF 2, again 0.0. QF 3, 5.0. Yes, five point zero! It doesn't add up at all.
it does.. the first two races were side winds... the last was a tail wind
The wind readings for the Men's Triple Jump (28:18) are also very revealing, as there was a grand total of 3 wind valid jumps in the entire competition, which sort of proves it was windy in the stadium on that day, and it varied between 7.0 and 1.0 m/s. As the Triple Jump runway is next to the home straight of the track, was it the same wind meter used for both the 100m and the Triple Jump? if so that would indicate erroneous readings for the two QFs in question. It would have been helpful, if at all possible, to put a time line against the jumps to build up a picture and to see what wind speeds were being record for the triple jump around about the same time as when the QFs were run. incidentally the Joyner in the Triple Jump was Flo-Jo's husband Al, I wonder what he thought about the 0.0 m/s wind speed recording?
With regards to the flags, am I seeing this correctly? While the red flag to the right of the scoreboard does appear to be flapping in a direction that might have aided the runners, the white flag to the left of the scoreboard seems to be blowing in nearly the exact opposite direction. Pause the shot at 5:09 to see what I mean.
Ultimately, I'm of the mind that those flags tell us nothing as this is already seconds after the race ended, they're up to 200+ yards from the beginning of the race, and they're in a location whereby the scoreboard, stadium seating, and other construction probably make them move in a manner that's unrelated to what the wind was doing at track level.
I’m going to be completely real with you. That has to be one of the most respectable videos you have ever made. Every minute of the video, I expected that you would leave out a certain piece of information regarding the whole controversy, but you didn’t. In fact I learned so much from this video, that I can confidently say that now I am relatively conflicted as to if doping had any play in all of this when at first I was all but certain it did. Maybe I thought you were going to leave out certain aspects simply because you are American and maybe that’s just a result of me watching too many races through nbc ahaha. But in all seriousness, I feel like this is the very video people need to turn to before they jump to any conclusions as to whether or not FGJ’s world records were actually legitimate
Facts.
My favourite is right at the end when he said even after Flo-Jo’s death her body was examined and tested and tested for the presence of a possible use of drugs or changes physiologically etc but nothing was found and she never tested positive either throughout her life. Flo-Jo is a freak of nature and some individuals have unusual genetic gifts. Just judging by how her fingernails grew to 12 inches and she had to cut them to size just tells us all. She was like an avatar who had something extra and her serious core training brought the best in her to that point (& she could have gone faster because it was just the beginning of having discovered the perfect sprinting technique). Note must be taken that she was actually training for the Marathon (1996 Olympics) when she developed epilepsy so it put paid to her plans. Her husband said she achieved everything she put her mind to.
Yes this channel is amazing. This dude deserves to be wealthy. This is better than professionally produced documentaries with huge corporate budgets.
Again, to the guy who runs this channel, thank you for sharing your passion about athletics with us.
@@kojoharrison630I am more convinced that a high wind reading gave her that unrealistic time of 10.49. There is no way that the wind speed was 0.0 on that day only for her race. The instrument was at fault and they were to petty to admit it.
@@kojoharrison630THANK YOU! I LOVE FLO JO JUST LIKE CARL LEWIS AND USAIN BOLT. THESE ARE ALL FREAKS OF NATURE LIKE THE RECORD HOLDERS OF THE POLE VAULT, AND DISCUS, SUPERHEAVY WEIGHT OLYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTER GEORGIAN TALAKHADZE FOR THE MALES. IT WAS ALSO TOUGHER IN THE 1980’S AS THET WERE AMATEURS WITH LOWER TECH. THE TRACK ENGINEERS OF THE PAST 6 OLYMPICS SAID THAT THE TRACK IS MUCH FASTER TODAY INCREASING THE TIME OF ATHLETES. EVEN USAIN BOLT ADMITTED THE TRACK TECH GIVES THE ADVANTAGES TO ALL THE ATHLETES TODAY. EVERYONE IS A PROFESSIONAL NOW WHO GETS THE BEST OF EVERYTHING
It’s very important to note that the wind reading isn’t a speed reading but a directionalized velocity reading. The formula is wind_speed x cosine(angle_of_wind_from_straightaway). The cosine of 93 degrees (mentioned by Omega) is a fairly small number, which would drastically reduce a 4.0m/sec wind speed down to 0.2m/sec directionalized velocity. That’s much closer to the reported 0.0. I agree, if the wind reading had said ANYTHING OTHER than exactly 0.0, it would be easier to believe the cross-wind hypothesis. However, I did see video evidence of the official’s flag blowing sideways before the start of the race, so I cannot rule out a legitimate 0.0 reading. But I agree that 0.0 does not help. On the surface, it certainly seems like a malfunction. The other athletes setting lifetime bests is also compelling. There was definitely “something in the air” that day.
What a sad way to own a world record, setting the record controversially, dying controversially. It feels like she paid the price for cheating. You can fool us, can't fool God though.
@@OasisChristianMeditation99Sad is all the wrong scrutinnay!!! She ran what she ran. When the runners are down in the blocks the wind is blowing into their faces! It also blows underneath a runners top when she lowers her head! The official standing behind them has his flag raised above his head and it too is blowing directly back in the opposite direction of the finish line! Meaning they ran into the wind or by the time the gun sounded the wind for 10 seconds had lifted and there was none to measure! That cannot be ruled out! The clock says 10.49 and that's what she ran!
@@Parker3Curry30 14:20 you didnt even watch the video. talking out your ass. also youre bias because youre black
Fantastic breakdown. Thank you for all you’ve done for years!
Regardless of the wind reading or the drug speculations, no one can deny her perfect relaxed form and swag in 1988...lets remember drugs have been in Track prior and after 88 and yet no one could match her form and acceleration.
That is the prettiest stride I have ever seen. Ashford was FAST but you see them from the front, easy to believe FloJo was REALLY FAST. Just beautiful to watch.
Steroids can't do anything for what you're talking about. She's the best for one reason. Her technique. It's separated her from the rest of her competitors. But let's not forget she also smashed the 200 M record. Flo Jo was flexible and Powerful with great technique. 5 ft 7 in and only 127 lb of perfection
@@charlesdee63your forgetting Ben Johnson and the Carl Lewis race. Steroids will improve your times. Flo Jo was not considered top tier till end of her career . Her gains would not come from new methods of training. The excuses of her physique drastically no changing would not come from 5,000 sit ups a day. Another thing is her acceleration would be pure power and not technique . Women run different from men. The anatomical structure of the hip, pelvis and etc., in males and females prohibit women competing with men’s times. I was running the best women’s times in the 11th grade.
Isn’t it suspicious when she retired? Wouldn’t you want to try and best that record or the 200? Then upon her death you cremate the body. In the Black community back then… wasn’t a popular thing to do. Remember Barry Bonds and Mark MCGuire , as you age as an athlete reflexes, hand eye coordination start to degrade. Bonds became Ponce De Leon.
Absolutely 100% correct. Flo-Jo's real secret was her technique. She's textbook flawless. It takes a LOT of training to achieve that, PEDs help with building muscle, improve oxygen uptake, and decrease recovery times but they do nothing to aid technique. Only extremely repetitive training can do that. As a sprint coach I use Flo-Jo's videos as a training tool, showing the kids that this is what you are aiming for in terms of sprinting form.
Cut the crap. She was good in 84' and her form was definitely matched. It only takes a few minutes to research her PED use if you decide to seek the truth.
Bro this is the best channel on TH-cam. Thank you for your incredible hard work on this channel.
Obviously the wind meter malfunctioned for that heat. Obviously. Or there was corruption.
Brilliant video, always thought the cause of such a time was first and foremost the wind, secondly the amount of PEDS inside her system and thirdly her beautiful running style made for a perfect combination.
I don't see it ever being beaten in our lifetime.
to me it's really interesting that men's records on 100, 200, 400 and 800 have been improving still (the latest being 2016) but yet the women's records are all from the 80s.
Don't beat about the bush - they were all doping, simple as.
Women in the 80s where different 😅
@@trishennaidoo1309 I feel like there may be some real specimens in the generation today that we haven't discovered yet tbf
@@Solomon_C yeah probably but they will look like Powell in a wig and not like Women.
@@trishennaidoo1309 They'll have to be muscular and powerful for sure. A lot of super-fast and fast twitch muscles would also help, lol
The suggestion is that the wind reading is suspicious because it is specifically 0.0 (whereas 0.1 would be less suspicious). So lay-people think that it gave a null reading (from a malfunction) that was erroneously interpreted as a legit 0.0. I want to know what the error states of this machine were. If it fails, does it give an Error Message? does it read 999? or does it fail to give anything, and can that lack be read as 0.0. It seems crucial to me to know which errors could result in a 0.0 reading, or if that was impossible. What happens if the machine is physically prevented from spinning? could that have happened?
As others have pointed out, Jarmila Kratochvílová 800m world record holder (since 1983) and Marita Koch 400m world record holder (since 1985) from Czechoslovakia and East Germany are always dismissed as drug users. But Flo-Jo from the United States is held up as this remarkable (clean) athlete. It's hypocrisy at its finest.
The two races with 0.0 m/s wind readings, 3 other athletes run lifetime best runs over 100m that they never come close to again after. Also the lifetime bests were a big improvement over what they were running prior. To me that’s the biggest red flag that something was wrong with the wind gauge. That world record of 10.49 should never have been ratified under such conditions.
Don't get why they didn't just admit the wind gage broke
Even if the wind readings were inaccurate, Flo-Jo's 10.61 time in the finals still would have been the world record for 33 years, as well as her olympic record of 10.62. If anything, it shows more suspicion over her PED use as to how she could have such a dominant season in 1988, that her world records, wind or no wind, held up for 30+ years. Beyond what was mentioned here, there have been some whispers from Evelyn Ashford and Victor Conte that implicate Flo-Jo without naming her.
And the much villified gwen torrence who also stated same.
I guess the wind blew only on lane 5 huh
De Merode, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, said Griffith Joyner was singled out for extra, rigorous drug testing during the 1988 Olympic Games following rumors of steroid use. De Merode said, Manfred Donike, who was at that time considered to be the foremost expert on drugs and sports, failed to discover any banned substances during that testing. The World Anti-Doping Agency was created in the 1990s, removing control of drug testing from the IOC and De Merode. De Merode later stated: "We performed all possible and imaginable analyses on her. We never found anything. There should not be the slightest suspicion."
@@Snowboarding2020Other women in that race also ran personal bests. It says so right in the video.
Flo has admitted to using steroids in her past, and died from very suspicious circumstances at a very young age that is linked to steroid abuse. The common type of death in bodybuilding due to enlarged hearts due to steroid abuse.
She died at a very young age of just 38 from cardiac arrhythmia in 1998 due to an enlarged heart. The official cause of death was listed as an "unspecified coronary artery disease". However, many people have speculated that her death may have been caused by steroid abuse.
Many people also believe that Donald Trump is the POTUS in 2023, but...
No. She died of a seizure.
stop lying!!! that was not her cause of death, she had a seizure while sleeping and the autopsy showed NO abnormalities, meaning no enlarged heart!!
thanks
the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.
I once read where the wind reading obtained from the wind gauge at the long jump runway, which was directly next to the 100m stretch, registered a strong positive reading at the time of this race.
it was the triple jump and the video shows that precisely
The way it looked like she was flying makes me think the wind was higher than reported.
Nice use of the Lemino music to start the video..
Not to mention all the high wind readings for other events that day.
Hmmm...
@@forrestgump3909 for sure, but even recently I've seen some 'high wind' races and the women had the same gliding/flying look as FloJo does in her WR clip.
It's pretty obvious I think for anyone that's watched enough of these races.
Didn't he say in the video that the wind measuring equipment was repositioned after the those two 0.0 races? That it was supposedly not in the correct position?
What I want to know is. Had it been moved just prior to those races and was it moved just after? In that case the obvious explanation is that whoever moved it didn't set it up correctly and it showed no wind because it wasn't working at all. Could it be something as simple as the display simply not being connected?
I think somebody messed up, and they realized it, which is why they moved the equipment afterwards in order to fix their mistake without anyone noticing it.
Didn’t FloJo have the shortest contact time with the track of any sprinter, male or female, in history?
Poetry in motion.
She could hold her fastest 10 m split times up for 40 m or a little more. Most men are lucky they can hold that for 15 m. It's all to do with her running technique. She had the best technique in the history of sprinting
Exactly.... her stride was AMAZING!!
All are fake and shameless lies, and that brainless born mental youtuber is the worst ever and She just ran at 33 kph 😂😂😂 which is totally nothing infront of real life hardworking fastest and strongest super hero women and boys (somewhat) in the world, and that dummy lady is nowhere near to an physically strongest & emotionally powerful will power having most determined and m beautiful iron lady or women in the world who are/is leading the life as a boss 😊
Yes, she did. Her feet barely hit the floor, and her strides were wicked long.
@SnoopyDoofiesure and if you push with more force you will be in the air longer, whether that’s vertical or horizontal is what determines your speed in a foot race
The performance of the others in the 2 0.0 races is the most compelling evidence it wasn't wind legal. However, as for drug usage, if you look at her only 2% increase in the 200 meter (not wind aided), her leap in performance isn't nearly so big.
FloJo leap in performance in 200m is 6 tenths of second in 1 year. Unheard of especially from a veteran athlete.
Yeah but you have to also take into perspective the methods of training they used back then. During that time period, they still went by the belief that running on the inside of the curve helps you run a faster time when in today’s world it doesn’t, along with other techniques such as re acceleration. And despite that she managed to improve by .62, a margin of the WR that hasn’t been contested in even the 400 and 800 women’s WR’s. The reason why people like Usain Bolt did not care too much for world records was the fact that he knew as technology got better and new methodologies developed after his career was over. But yet it’s been 34 years to the day and yet the WR has been relatively uncontested with the exception of Elaine running a 10.54 that was she hasn’t really been able to back up since the day. Case in point is just it seems so unlikely that someone can break the record by that margin without other factors being involved
@@lynchdavid2194 Usain Bolt dropped half a second off his 100m times between 2007 and 2008 and no one ever accused him of anything. It's not unheard of at all.
If you watch any of Flo-Jo's early races in her career she shows plenty of raw speed but her technique is rubbish, her arms are crossing over, her torso and head are wobbling, her knee lift is quite low. All things that are shifting movement into areas other than forward, which costs time. She still got a silver medal in the 200 in 1984 Olympics despite that so she had good speed. When she returned to the track in 1987 after a couple of years out she began training super hard with her husband Al Joyner who put her through a rigorous series of strength and technique routines. he obviously recognised her potential and set about trying to unleash it, which he clearly did. When you watch her in 1988 her technique is completely changed - she's almost perfect textbook form, which is VERY hard to achieve. She must have worked insanely hard to reach that level of perfection. There are pictures from her training in that era with a massive tractor tyre tied around her waist pulling it down the track, and running up flights of stairs over and over and over. Her training routine did not fuck around, that's for sure, she was hard core. It's also well known that she often trained at 400m, which increased her endurance in the 200, the 6 tenths improvement she made can almost wholly be attributed to that. There is another famous sprinter who did the same thing more recently and it worked insanely well for him too - the aforementioned Usain Bolt. If you want to improve your 200m speed then run some 400s. It works.
I was a track and field athlete as a younger man and I still participate at my local club, I also do a bit of sprint coaching. I know very well how hard it is to not only achieve perfect technique, but to have done it enough times that it becomes muscle memory. It's almost impossible to achieve. Technique matters, and Flo-Jo was the best example of this by a good margin. She had singular focus and unbreakable determination. This is exceedingly rare even among elite athletes.
The other more recent sprinter who springs to mind with excellent technique is Justin Gatlin. Yes he's had his drug problems, but watching him run it's possible to see how he achieves his speed - he doesn't have as much raw speed as most of his competitors but his technique is flawless and for him it makes enough of a difference.
If you train hard enough and be extremely disciplined in your technique you can drop half a second in a year no problems. I could provide a list of athletes who have done the same thing. It's not uncommon at all. Some of the kids I've trained have dropped more time than that when they start training hard. I had one kid who went from mid 12s to mid 10s in a year and a half, and he wasn't even training every day so it's absolutely do-able and not unheard of at all.
Did Flo-Jo use PEDs? I dunno. Probably. So did everyone else in that era. The Russians and East Germans had state sponsored programs, the GDR gave some of their female athletes so many steroids that some of them are now men. No kidding. They turned women into men with anabolic steroids. And yet Flo-Jo still beat them. At the very least all she did was level the playing field. Her true secret was technique. No woman has ever attained that level of sprinting discipline since, which goes some way to explaining why her record has remained unchallenged.
The most compelling evidence the race was wind legal was the equipment said 0.0, why ignore the equipment and the judges?
everyone there knew it wasn't a legal wind, and her improvement also means she was juiced.
Must say that was a very well written and presented piece of video. In depth but also clear and concise and enjoyed it thanks!
Whilst it's clear that Griffith-Joyner was a terrific athlete with superb running technique, her sudden, immense improvements, immediate retirement and the fact that others just happened to run PBs on the exact same day despite not getting close before or after plus the evidenec of the other events which were wind affected clearly suggest that the run was performance enhanced and wind assisted. It'll never be proven, but for me, it's beyond reasonable doubt sadly.
As a track enthusiast you can see her stride lenght and frequency was far superior that day . Her arms and legs were moving twice as fast as everyone else she left them. Also her 10.61 which Elaine Thompson tied is still faster than most of these sprinters back than and currently. 11.49 was after she peaked and all athletes slows down after they peak in all events
10.49 not 11.49
@@omniexistus I stand corrected 10.49 is the world record. I cant wait until the olympics to see if Shacari, Sherika, Sherry Anne or Elaine can challenge that world record that will be a fast race.
@@gabrieleriva651 if that is true it was never proven
What was the time for the second finisher? Flo Jo was well clear.
So were Ben johnsons
People may criticize her but to be honest she was very strong her running style is one of the best in the world,since l started to use her running style my speed has improved
I don’t run at all but the way
She moved was sublime an absolute joy to watch
11 flat to 10.4 is insane tho you gotta admit that
@@YaBoiJern757 no its not.. bolt ran 10s and his record is 9.58 in 100m people just eventually hit their peak after a certain amount of races
Congratulations, with her style you are in your way to set a new world record. Except youre not, unless you use steroids.
@@Qkazamit’s still insane. usain bolt isn’t exactly a comparison of normal track abilities hahaha
Great video.
It is important to add a few pieces of data regarding the autopsy and potential drug use. Drugs like steroids often cannot be detected in the body after some time. Steroids, depending on type, cannot be detected after a few days up to 1.5 years. Note that the autopsy took place after 10 years. However, enlargement of body organs can certainly be observed after 10 years, a condition that human growth hormone ( HGH ) can cause. From an article in the newspaper The Guardian ( Wed 28 Jul 2004 ):
"Flo-Jo had transformed her body in her mid-20s, and was later accused of using HGH. Her post-mortem showed signs of excessive growth of organs, including her heart, which contributed to her death and may have been a direct result of drug use."
For some reason you don't understand the essence of things. You're looking for something that doesn't exist.
It's a moral issue: Flo Jo achieved her results through hard training. She didn't need doping. That's the point here.
@@lalib.53
The post-mortem that showed signs of excessive growth of organs certainly exist.
@@toresvenson6449The things you described are just assumptions. I have mentioned several times that the assumption does not prove anything. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence, even Flo Jo. Topic closed. RIP♥️
@@lalib.53
What the post-mortem found is probably not an assumption. However, you may of course discuss why there were signs of excessive growth of organs in FloJo's body, but it certainly is suspicious . It may have been a result of drug use.
@@toresvenson6449This is still just a guess category. No evidence anywhere. Topic closed.
Excellent video and great research! Just a few things to point out for clarity, however: 1. At 15:15 the beginning of the race, the guy is holding the flag up behind the starters and it is not blowing. 2. Looking at Gail Devers season times, she ran this exact same time this season with just 2.1MPS wind and much faster with 3.0MPS wind that same season (just for perspective on how much wind there “may” have been, if any). 3. FloJo did not retire at the time of random drug testing announcement. If we look at the video of FloJo announcing her retirement, it was February 1989. Random drug testing was announced June/July of 1989, and wasn’t implemented until October/November 1989. So, we need to be very clear here on suspicions around her retirement. 4. When we say many runners ran significantly faster on this day/in this year, there are other factors to consider aside from just wind. We give grace to athletes at altitude, when we know that’s a factor, as well. But, what about overall air quality, weather, etc., that we don’t measure or have enough education today to use as a gauge? It is quite possible “luck” was on her side there all together. But, 5. While it is claimed others significantly ran PB’s, let’s go back to the actual Olympics where FloJo backed up this performance by showing 10.7 was nothing for her, 10.6X was nothing for her in the rounds, and she still ran a 10.54 with 3.0 wind (conversion at 10.69 0MPS and 10.65 at 2MPS) AFTER running all those lightening fast rounds and her first 200M world record! To think FloJo could run a legal 10.49 given all these circumstances is not too outrageous.
ALL of the athletes ran SLOWER in semis and finals than in quaterfinals, and semis and finals were {legally} wind aided +1.6 m/s and +1.2 m/s, whereas QFI and QFII read 0.0.... when they ALWAYS run faster in finals and semis than in quarters... and thats for ALL the athletes in those races, not just FloJo... thats not even statistically replicated. 10.61 was the real WR and makes perfect sense with here other times of 21.34 and 10.54 (+3 m/s). She was crazy fast, just not 10.49 legal fast.
@@ochoymedio78 if you’re saying they all ran faster in the other rounds than semis and finals, then you’re saying they lacked proper round management. This would also mean they ran slower in the final because they burned out, right? In that event, she ran a slightly windy 10.54 with 3MPS wind.
So, with your logic, you’re claiming she was slower, but your explanation would mean she could run FASTER, not slower!
@@stevie586 not at all, I'm saying its statistically impossible that ALL athletes ran slower in semis and finals UNLESS the wind in QF was stronger, which it was for QFIII (5 m/s) and also for QFI and QFII (0.0???). Bad round management for everybody? C'mon... And besides, maybe you don't know, the finals (+1.2m/s) were on the next day.... so they were fresher and eager to run faster as it is ALWAYS the case for a finals in an olympic trial. Is evident that the wind gauge placing was defective for the QFI & II, so they moved it and started working properly again, as this video states. The 10.54 with 3m/s is totally logic with her 10.61 +1.2m/s. FloJo was a 10.60 fast, not 10.49 fast.
@@ochoymedio78 I think you’re manipulating the contents of the comments to claim a certain result, but you’re not making sense to me. It is not statistically impossible for them to run slower in the finals, because that happens all the time. Furthemore, if a person runs an extremely fast time never previously run, that person will tear certain muscle fibers which needs much more than just one day to recover! Anyone who understands how the body and recovery work knows this, and back then, people ran the rounds too fast.
I think you’re doing extreme speculation on the wind. I provided excellent examples for comparison’s sake with the wind readings of Gail Devers. We see two examples of Gail Devers running certain times with certain wind…one being an identical time with 2.1 wind (hardly illegal), and the next being much faster than 3.0 wind, and here you are speculating 5.0 wind! LoL…that’s a very big difference and if you think she could run 10.60/10.61 legal and this was with 5MPS wind, with we all knowing she said she ran her absolute hardest here, that would be a time conversation of 10.38, not 10.49! Although I can agree with you there may have been more than 0mps wind at some point, you are grossly exaggerating 5.0 wind and understating her relent tremendously! I further support my statement by addressing her rounds in the Olympics, where let’s not forget, she ran that 10.62 Olympic record with 1mps wind not running her fastest. 10.62 with 1mps converts to 10.68 with 0mps. 10.68 with 2MPS is a legal 10.54. 10.60 with 2MPS converts to 10.46 in Seoul and 10.47 in Indianapolis. Either way, at worst, FloJo running maximum effort with 2.0 legal wind still puts FloJo at 10.4X either way! So, respectfully, your math isn’t mathing at all. However you got 5MPS wind and 10.60 legal best just doesn’t add up.
@@stevie586 1) you are wrong, show me ONE final AND semifinal where ALL the athletes run slower than in the quaterfinals, you said it happens "all the time"... ok, just show me one example
FloJ semifinal was 10.70 with +1.6m/s and her final was 10.61 with +1.2m/s..all LOGIC
2) I never said it was 5m/s. I said that the QFIII had a reading of 5m/s AFTER they readjust the wind gauge which was in an evident, wrong spot, as suggested in this video also (0.0 reading in a windy afternoon where the triple jump had readings up to 6 m/s, and the QFIII had 5m/s??)
3) you are getting your own self confused with the wind and FloJos times. FloJos best legals times are 10.61 and 10.62 and both were wind aided +1.2m/s and +1m/s. And your conversion is speculative, she DID run with strong tailwind of 3m/s and got a 10.54 in the final. She was a 10.60 runner (with wind of 1/1.2 m/s) which is AMAZING and ahead of its time, just not 10.49.
Great video as always . Out of curiosity, what would her time be is you took an overall average wind reading calculation and worked out a time difference?
9.57!
5:03 The video shows the wind was blowing against the runners and could not assist them... How can you describe a tailwind when everyone can see from the video, that it was a headwind, blowing against the runners??
Legitimately breaking this world record will be the greatest feat of any sport
I agree. its a ghostly record
@@OralHunter
A statement from FloJo and her husband, Al Joyner:
“I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.”
Only those who have nothing to hide say so.
Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record.
👍💪
doing it without wind and PEDs will make it all the more incredible
@@AlonsoRulesshe didn’t use PEDs
@@SedB101 🤣😂🤣
Her stride was insane...
Her sprint form is perfect. 😤💪🏆
Bob Kersee is the reason for the records and medals. If you really pay attention to the video. At the 50-60m mark, Flo Jo switches from quickstep to lengthened stride steps. This is the sole reason for the incredible time of 10.49 Coach Bob is the scientific based coach in track. Just look who he's coached Gail Devers, Alyson Felix, Sydney Mclaughlin, just to name a few!!!!
Great point
He is the best even Athing Mu is on par to break record. His wife still holds the record in the heptathlon.
Yeah, the "sole" reason 🙄 💉
@razzendahcuben if you really believe that Jamaicans aren't juicing then you're plane stupid. It's nothing but entertainment these days.
Bob Kersee’s athletes were doped. That he was her coach raises issues of doping it doesn’t answer them. Daryl Robinson’s testimony was correct.
Damn, that was a great video.
She was flying, most beautiful run.
this is what the speed of light looks like
Nobody will ever be able to prove anything about Flo Jo one way or the other. What we do have is video showing her just gliding down the track with a serene expression on her face that turns into a smile at the end. Just beautiful.
A guess ~ 20 or 30 years down the line there'll be incredulity 'we' were able to disregard common sense and overwhelming circumstantial evidence ~ but an acknowledgement that, in what was effectively a level playing field, it was a technical masterpiece.
We will look silly; FJ will look 'just beautiful' albeit staggeringly juiced.
Exactly 💯 Flo Jo did nothing wrong, no PED, nothing. Her legacy stands on its own merit. She was just better than her competition, and her competition wasn't shabby either 🔥💪🔥💪
You're FULL OF SHI, it's BEEN proven countless times that the wind was illegal
Firstly, if you look at the starting marshals, they are holding white flags, which are all stretched out in the same direction at the start and the first part of the race. This is far more significant than the tall flags, due to boundary layer drag, and possible shielding at ground level.
However, whilst this goes to the absolute time and record, it does not address Flo Jo's dominance in this year, and in this race. Look at the way, she pulls ahead of all the other runners, in the closing quarter. Only outstanding strong runners, much more powerful than everyone else, do this. Such as say Usain Bolt at his best. This indicates a large proportion of the run, was Flo Jo's dominance and power at the time. She ran a perfect race, which required power, no other female sprinter had at the time.
Flo Jo's performance that year, strongly suggests PEDs, given it was such a leap forward, in her personal performance. It is also very atypical, for an athlete to suddenly retire, at the pinnacle of their performance, at a relatively young age. Then there is claim that she had HGH at the time, which tests were not good at detecting in 1988. Remembering that Ben Johnson in the so called dirtiest 100m race in history, hadn't tested positive until the Olympics. If you read the book by Charlie Francis his coach, who was very open about the drug use, Ben Johnson shouldn't have tested positive, and the insinuation of Francis, is that Johnson needlessly took some extra steroids near the race, and had not obtained the steroids through Francis, his doctors and that his using them was needless, as it would have given no performance advantage, as for maximum performance, steroids were ended some time before the peak race of the season. In other words, it was obvious from Francis' admissions, that coaches and doctors knew how to beat the drug testing in 1988, and someone with the right doctors and assistance, could heavily use PEDs in 1988, and never be detected. This makes Flo Jo's negative tests and clean record meaningless, as it is very clear at this time, it was easily possible to avoid positive tests, with the right advice, even if an athlete was heavily using PEDs. Remember, a large proportion of the top athletes were using PEDs at the time, it was not just a few bad apples. This is why, even if Flo Jo was using PEDs, that it was also likely many of her rivals were, which means her performance that year, was exceptional regardless, because it wasn't a case that she was a drug cheat and no one else was.
shes way better than the cheaters in her time. I just dont know if shes better than Elaine if Elaine aint cheating
Got curious, so did some wind adjustment calculations. Worst case scenario at a +5.0 wind as seen in QF3, Flo-Jo's 10.49 would be around 10.71, with a +2.7 it would be around 10.63. With a legal +2.0, it would be 10.60.
I was too lazy to look up the fastest and slowest wind readings from that day (I do not believe the 0.0 reading, and that was before I learned it happened twice from this vid) but even if you use the fastest wind reading in this vid, +7, Flo-Jo still matches the previous WR of 10.76.
She ran an incredibly good race that would still have been a WR in wind-legal conditions. Take this time from her records and she is still the second-fastest woman to ever sprint.
That she quit racing just as a more effective method for catching drug cheats was being implemented will always be suspicious. Athletes retire when they're slowing down, not when they're getting faster unless an injury forces it.
It's a gorgeous race to watch, she just flows down that track. I want to believe it's a real WR but I can't. I REALLY want to believe she was clean... but I'm doubtful.
Dude, every single T+F athlete during the 80's was juiced up to the eyeballs. Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster". Olympic officials said that if they hadn't under rug swept DOZENS of tests, then 1/2 the gold medals in the mens sprint and hurdles events woud have been denied.
Was she juiced? Probably. Was EVERY ONE ELSE? EQUALLY probably. What u wanna do? Go back through history and remove everyones records?`
They asked 1000 top internation athletes, just a few years back, if they could take a drug right now that would 100% sure win them the gold medal at the next Olympics, BUT they would only have 4 more years to live after winning, would they take it? Over 70% said YES.
You aint gonna stop the juicing, ever. Sad but true.
the time itself is the evidence of the wind does not take away how fast flo jo ran downwind
but it takes away from Elaine Herah breaking the WR. Flojo would have broken the WR without this illegal run anyway
@@BP-gm2wwElaine nevet breaking the WR.
Little to it.
The 80s was a dark period for sprinting. The 100, 200, 400, and 800 records on the women’s side are all questionable given the geopolitical climate of the era. Performance enhancing substance conversations aside, I don’t understand how the wind gage moved so vigorously yet still read 0.0 meters per second.
Flo's technique was and still is head and shoulders above anybody else. That's the reason for her record. She was just an unbelievable runner
Exactly! Why does it matter what the reading was? She was the fastest woman, PERIOD!
It was wind aided therefor shouldn’t exist and she was on roids…. Get over it and watch this video evidence of it
@creoletatted8790 There is absolutely no valid evidence of neither wind nor roids. If anything today's Fraser is so obviously roided, going back after pregnancy and at her age going from a normal sprinter to suddenly become a multi medalist
@@Mimi-mo9np look at the distance between her and everyone else and look at her flawless technique. She was and still is the golden reference for a sprinter, simply amazing
@@andreamantovani5354 did you watch the video???? It read no wind but you can literally see all of the flags blowing like it was a damn hurricane lmaooo Then right after the race you can see the damn commentator shirt and collar blowing up from the strong wind 😂 But the wind meter read ZERO wind???? Where’s your common sense? You also had sprinters ran personal best times that race ironically lmao Then after she broke the record bc of the high wind and and lack of steroid testing she IRONICALLY retired bc the very next year steroid testing was finally being utilized lmaooo Why is there so many coincidences and irony’s?? Her ex husband even came out saying she was roided… an ex sprinter came out on her as well! She died from a heart attack at a young age in tip top shape? Roid usage!
The thing is, as soon as someone breaks this record, nearly everyone will deny it.
If I were these athletes, I'd be frustrated.
Taking into account JUST the wind readings before and after that race, the indications are clear that it was a STATE SPONSORED exercise. Not only the athlete but the entire US system were in on it.
Pretty much. It's a shame too as she was an incredible athlete regardlessly, elegant and powerful.
But she was clearly 'enhanced'.
@@tubey84 Her legacy would be far more enhanced if they decided to make that WR invalid. It is that performance, those of the other runners during those two fateful races that shroud over her more than anything else. She truly would've been better off without it. Saying that, her bank account probably disagreed.
The reason Flo Jo ran so fast was because she basically perfected how to sprint, she got into the groove of how it's done, an incredible sight to see and so graceful in her form. I do see her record being over taken soon (eg:10.54 Elaine Thompson) , but Flo Jo will always be remembered as the greatest female sprinter of all time in my view. RIP Flo Jo ☦
Not really, she is mostly remembered as the doped runner with tailwind. That record time showing every time at any women's 100m is the worst part of any athletic event for me. Everyone knows that number should have been scrapped, but it was the 80's, no one cared about honesty, especially when it was an American breaking records.
I see it this way, Elaine ran a 10.54 in 2021, Flo Jo ran a 10.49. Even if you scrubbed Flo Jo’s WR, the next likely WR holder would still likely need to run a sub 10.5 just to overtake Elaine. So in the process of overtaking Elaine, they’ll likely overtake Flo Jo as well. To say that a 10.49 is unbeatable but a 10.54 isn’t doesn’t make sense to me. That’s a virtual tie.
They could run a 10.53 tho 😂
@@Lol-r4i6y And…
The next women’s 100m WR holder would be someone capable of going 10.5 or lower.
@@jwellsmediainc.4593 Other than in the men's 100m in the Bolt era & Flojo records normally fall by 0.01 so I'd say this is false. Like Carl Lewis had the record at 9.86 I believe at some point, someone ran a 9.85 years later, then Donovan Bailey ran a 9.84, I think that's the more normal trajectory.
So the person to beat Elaine Thompson could run a 0.52 or 10.53, then someone could run a 10.50 or 10.51, it could be multiple people under 10.54 before a 10.49 is beat.
@@richardgallimore5976 In the men’s 100, since 1975 the average is about .03 with each improvement on the previous record. The women’s 100 is tricker, but in the same period, prior to Flo Jo the improvement was like .038, which rounds up to a 0.4 improvement. Considering if someone improves on Elaine’s 10.54 by at least .04, that would put them at about 10.5. And in the real world that person may not run an exact 10.5. I’m taking into account if that persons runs within .02 hundredths of a second of 10.5 which would still fall within the average world record progression prior to 1988.
I'm beginning to believe that Sherika Jackson is a strong contender to break both Flo-Jo's records. The 21,45 for the 200 still amazes.
21.41 now. She definitely has a good chance of beating it with the right conditions.
she needs some help you know what i mean@@bigfatbruce
@@simonepedron9299 😝she really does
It seems quite possible now. The main thing is staying totally healthy when you're placing such intense stress on the body.
Not only is she insanely fast w/ perfect technique it's the distance she puts between other at the end that's just soo disrespectful.
R.I.P. Gorgeous Queen to best the ever do it.❤🎉❤🎉😍
The home video of the flags on either side of the scoreboard, separated by less than 20 m, seems to show them flying at more than 90 degrees to each other. They are also well off the ground - there is both a ground effect as well as the effect of obstructions. Finally, the flags are close to a major wind obstruction/deflector, the scoreboard itself.
Flo Jo is the G.O.A.T....R.I.P. 🥀🥀🥀
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On the footage with the flag, look at the guys on the near side of the track with the white hats, all the hats look like they are tilted into the supposed wind to stay on their heads.
Or am I whistling Dixie out of my arse🙈
Great video. Like others here, I also feel that Elaine is the legit WR holder. The wind is suspicious, but what really makes me doubt the record is Flo Jo's likely use of peds.
It don't matter what you think! 😂😂😂
@@stephenwilliams7200 It are not?
Agreed
I think Shelly Ann price definitely juicing 😂
@@ericstroud8189 Maybe oranges.
even if wind may have aided her... her 200m still stands and that one was so natural
This is my take. Her actual 100m PB without the wind aided 10.49 is 10.61, so she held that WR for 30+ years until Elaine Thompson Herah ran a 10.54 & Flojo is now 3rd all-time as Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce ran a 10.60. Her 200m time still remains & I'd say her 21.34 is slightly higher caliber than her 10.61 which makes sense as it's still the WR & last one was the first time that it's been under threat when Shericka Jackson ran 21.45. It also checks out that her 200m is as good as it is as she had crazy speed endurance (the 4x400m US National record is still from the 88 Olympics & Flojo was on that squad with a sub-48 split) +10.6x speed.
Flo Jo used drugs the massive improvement in times that happened between 87 and 88 just don't happen with just training. She never failed a test but that means nothing back then as it was so easy to cheat the tests back then.
@@richardgallimore5976 It's like you climbed into my brain and typed what i was about to. Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.
@PimpDaddyStyles if Flo jo is a cheat so is Frazier Pryce nobody gets faster that late in a career.
@2017NationalChamps Frazer Pryce has been running low 10.7s for years, she changed coaches and hence the difference. Flo-jo's jump was twice Shelly's jump, not comparable
it was ran in extremely high wind speeds. there is a video on this somewhere. the equipment malfunctioned, which is why it said the wind was legal.
There are hurricane force winds on TV but the wind meter read 0.0. Wow, that's incredible. Almost *_unbelievable_*
🤣 "hurricane force winds"
I think she doped. My mom was a track star at UNLV and she also coached track for 20 years.. fluctuating 0.10 seconds through the years is normal..to go from 10.96 (her fastest time ever at that point) to 10.49 at 28 years old towards the end of her prime (women age out of their athletic prime faster than men) is completely unrealistic. She definitely doped in 88’.
People have always stated drug accusations but lets us consider her running form can not be changed with steroids sure her strength could improve, even her physique but her running form surpasses men and nearly all women runners so that does not refute the drugs but is necessary to recall when discussing the drug accusations. i think her exercise regimen also contributed to her death later as it was stated she had a congential brain defect which led to a seizure in her sleep.
Flo Jo achieved her results through hard training. She didn't need doping. That's the point here.
She changed coaches, she and her husband developed new training methods, which brought the long-awaited success, in addition to the work put in.
A statement from Flo Jo and her husband, Al Joyner:
“I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.”
Only those who have nothing to hide say so.
Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record.
Period.
There are interviews with her from 1984 where her voice is exactly the same. She always had a deep voice.Her voice is also deep in the training video made in 1994, even though she hasn't competed in years.
Flo Jo's death was caused by an epileptic seizure due to a congenital brain disorder, sadly drowned RIP.
Florence Griffith Joyner retires from the field On February 22, 1989, five months after the Seoul Olympic Games, Florence Griffith Joyner announced her retirement from track and field. When discussing her retirement with Liguori, Florence Griffith Joyner said: "I retired in 1989 because I could no longer train at 100%, the way I used to train. If I can't give it my all, I don't want to give it at all." Florence Griffith Joyner moved on with her life. She became a mother, pursued fashion design and continued to combine sports and style. She even designed the 1990 NBA uniforms for the Indiana Pacers.
After the death of Florence Griffith Joyner, doping allegations against her intensified. Many believed that illegal performance enhancers may have contributed to her death. However, after the autopsy, Dr. Richard Fukumoto, forensic medicine expert, clearly stated that no changes caused by steroids or other doping agents could be detected in her body. "This report allows Florence Griffith Joyner to rest in peace," said Primo Nebiolo, then president of the International Association of Athletics Federations. “Her family has had to endure incredible media attacks, many trying to undermine her legacy without any real evidence. This campaign harmed the entire sport and the anti-doping campaign. I expect more responsible behavior from media representatives in the future. I hope that after this, many members of the athletic world will assure the family of their love and sympathy."
The 100m and 200m world record holder is Flo Jo, these are the facts.
Facts are stubborn things. "Flo Jo was juicing". These are just assumptions. The truth is, no one has ever proven these allegations. So Flo Jo's world records are and will remain official. I don't see anyone who can topple them. Flo Jo achieved her results with the perfect harmony of body, soul and spirit.
Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Florence Griffith Joyner's style and speed brought her international fame, but her Olympic performance was clouded by skepticism. A year after the Games, in 1989, a former American athlete named Darrell Robinson told a European magazine that Florence Griffith Joyner had given her money to buy growth hormones. Florence Griffith Joyner denied the allegations, telling the New York Times, "It's all made up lies about drugs. I'd be crazy to do drugs." In 1998, sports commentator John Feinstein said on NPR's Morning Edition, "The rumors were in Seoul in 1988, and I think the first thing to note is that he never tested positive," he said. "But she became a star late. She was 28 at the time... These rumors will always be there and she's been asked about them throughout her career, which she's always denied." The International Olympic Committee's medical board says it conducted rigorous drug testing on Florence Griffith Joyner during the 1988 Olympics - and it always came back negative. Florence Griffith Joyner spoke to journalist Ann Liguori about the allegations in 1991: "I knew I had never taken drugs, so I didn't let it bother me when people said that. I knew it was something that was in the news," she said. "People were looking for personal things to point at the athletes. Try not to buy it and just focus on what needs to be done and move on."
I know it's hard to accept the fact that Flo Jo is the best in the world, pure. No one has ever proven that it is muddy. That being said, I understand that you are suffering and trying to smear Flo Jo's memory, but that only qualifies you. Your baseless accusations are just trying to reassure me, I am calm because I know the truth about Flo Jo's purity. So you can say anything until you prove that your words are empty. . She is the only woman to hold 2 athletics world records for more than 35 years. I'm sorry you can't understand that there are people in our world who can create admirable acts without any doping.
DYOR
The Jamaicans and Flo Jo's American opponents want to erase her official world records. I understand the reason for this: It is hard for them to bear that there was such an excellent athlete who achieved such fantastic results without doping. The envy, jealousy, anger that they may feel because of this becomes palpable to those who can sense it. It's easier for people to make accusations, find excuses, smear someone (Flo Jo) if their goal is not to acknowledge the wonderful achievements of a certain person. Such is human nature...
Running form can more easily be sustained all the way to the end of a race, if a stronger physique has been built with the help of drugs.
It is a moral issue - flo jokes that take roids should be exposed 😎 ⚗️🧪🧫💊💉🔬⚖️
Clearly she was flying, full stride, perfect running form. Perfect race.
Perfect doping lol
Amazing analysis. I hope you can cover Ben Johnson's 1988 100m finals disqualification
He admitted to doping and there are several videos. He also accused Carl of doping too.
@@annmariebusu9924 Carl was caught 6 times in 88. But he was US and you get free pass then
What's more concerning in this race, is the form of the sprinter in lane 1 !! :)
🤣😂
I think her walking away is just super on point for a sprinter. It’s not a marathon
I think that’s maybe why the Highly Classified had to take her out to save themselves the embarrassments… I can’t be bored listening to you, as you’re still the best sports blogger in the entire world….
Still until this day nobody has ever beat this time in any kind of conditions weather and people who were caught taking gear/PED's. Nobody can come close to this time and they are running on faster tracks with better track shoes and better nutrition. Flo Jo was light years ahead of her time
You're COMPLETELY WRONG AND ONTO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, when the speed is too high, the runners most of the time chose not to race as it's pointless, also she had a highly illegal wind, that record is COMPLETE BS, also Flo-Jo's fastest legal time of 10.6 has been replicated many times in the past, Elaine Thompson has the world record with 10.54
I’m honestly surprised that there hasn’t been more doping speculation around Usain Bolt’s records, in my mind there’s no doubt that he was doping but that doesn’t make the accomplishment any less meaningful to me because there’s a very good chance that the majority of athletes at that level are also doping.
It's also interesting that on the 16:49/50 mark on the video you can see the wind direction indicator moving while the wind speed display reads 0.0. Crazy and apparently lucky for FloJo.
Remember when Gatlin went to Japan and ran with a huge fan behind him, and ran a record? We need to get SAFP or some other 9.6 capable female sprinter to run with a huge tailwind. If they still can’t break 10.49, then Flo Jo’s record needs an asterisk.
It already has an asterisk.
FloJo broke the 200 meter record, twice in the same day (21.56 semifinals and then 21.34 in the finals) in 1988 quite handily and there was not a "wind issue" when she did that. No asterisk next to that record. And for some reason no one talks about her 200 meter record as suspect. If she was doping why wasn't everyone else doping to keep up with her? Also, if people think the wind aided her so much why doesn't someone run a little test. Get the best runners out there for a 100 meter race when the wind is clearly aiding the runners and see if any of them can break the WR. Has this ever been done? Has anyone in a competition broken the world record with the aid of wind or altitude...since 1988? Very strange.
One irrefutable fact about the particular performance in question. Flo Jo absolutely TORCHED the field in that performance and that’s what I find to be worthy of admiration.
IMO, the wind reader having a mechanical error is one thing, but the claim that FloJo was doping, without a positive test, is malicious.
The head of the Olympic drug administration said it himself that 80% of the athletes were doping around that time. There's no mysteries to why no one has broken that record yet, if athletes are supposed to be getting faster.
@@kozmeetorez When Evelyn Ashford ran that German women down in the last leg of the 4 x100 relay, it came out that those Germans were doping . So it is possible that everyone was , or the US were training better ?? if you watch that relay on YOu tube 🤣Evelyn was BEHIND the german and smoked her out 🤣
@@kozmeetorezshe was definitely doping
Not without proper context. I ran track for years and my mother was a track coach/former track star who trained sprinters in the 100 and 200 specifically.. I say all that to say.. nobody on planet earth is dropping a full .5 seconds off their time in the 100 that late into their career. ESPECIALLY a woman. They age out of their athletic prime quicker than men so to see her fluctuate .10 seconds from 11.06 to 10.96 for her entire career and then run a 10.49 is pretty much impossible. You can only reduce your time so much in such a short race. It makes more sense to say she was doping than she wasn’t.
@@Itsxmusic flo jo her autopsy showed zero signs of it and they tested her for everything.
Her ‘opportune’ retirement put the final seal on it for me! Brilliant runner, but juiced up to the gills.
She was an okay-runner, always left in the wind of Evelyn Ashford. I was a sprinter, and we all knew that girl who was always the bridesmaid and suddenly became the bride was mad suspicious - even at the time. I didn't recognise her world record because I thought it was fake. Nearly 40 years of time have not changed my mind.
Gifted hard working and juiced.
On the juice with great technical style!
absolutely no proof of PED. Just because want to believe that she used them doesn't mean its true. No doctor or lab ever found anything in her blood or urine. Mind you people were getting caught left and right
The record stands to this day, she was the fastest woman to walk on this planet and no amount of internet know-it-alls will ever change that. Top notch video very well researched and interesting to watch, thanks👍🍺
I’ve never had any difficulty believing that FloJo was just a complete freak of nature, aka the perfect sprinters body, which she used to craft her form, which translates to a nearly perfect technique. Hell, her glutes were constructed so perfectly she looks like she’s had a BBL, her stride makes her look like she’s literally floating on air, and she looks to be using her feet almost like hands to grip the track and propel herself forward.
Sometimes perfection is so exemplary that people are convinced that it’s impossible and spend their lives searching for proof that doesn’t exist.
@anathamon look, I realize this is the interwebz and you’re positive you’ve absolutely heard/seen this *somewhere* but we are gonna need sauce that conclusively substantiates what you claim.
Imagine the possibility of the universe if, and bear with me now, you can say whatever it is you feel needs to be said, *AND* you provide authentic verifiable evidence that provides a rock solid foundation to support your thesis.
Oh the possibilities.
Yea her body wasn't like that I wish he showed that footage. She was petite
@@MyMyManMelo_ you can be petite and still be an Olympic caliber, world record holding sprinter.
@@AYFKMRN yea but when she was petite she wasn’t the world record holder lmao. Her entire voice and physique changed. You believe what’s comforting
The comparison to the relative improvements of the other female athletes in those two quarters is probably the most convincing argument. Until then it seemed as if your argument was close to claiming that FloJo had a tailwind in just her lane.
However, you should also compare average speeds (of all the runners, or the top three) in other WR races compared to their previous and later times.
They talked about the other runners in her heat and from the next race.
Bout 17 minutes in.
Amazing how the wind reader also malfunctioned on her 200m wr
This is good documentary!
Flo has the best form of any sprinter. She nailed the physics, from stride count to foot strike, to being completely relaxed which she said was the key to her success. Flo Jo never tried to win the start. She focused on top speed by the 60th meter. She is a technical sprinting genius.
Comments like this irritate me. Admire her form all you want, but it wasn't winning her races or breaking records UNTIL a specific six month period around 88.
Like, come on man. This hero worshipers revolting.