@@SIIKAP1 they removed the only talent that made it worth pressing by just spreading Agony on everything. Only reason to use it now is if you soul rot 3+ targets and if u have breathing room to even cast it without getting kicked.
@@kaleoandros25 As a lock main, I like how affi feels at least with the pure single-target build I made for it with Haunt and dropping rampant because fk that extra 10% UA nerf. The commenter above you is right. The class doesn't need the crazy drain life healing with how tanky it is already and how we can now use multiple healthstones in fights. Personally I'd be fine giving up demonic healthstones to have back the 50 D.L stacks from Agony sticks, but whatever, I'm adaptable.
Seems pretty well balanced. Didnt do top damage nor win more than 3 rounds, very different from that ele shaman video you did back when it was super busted
@@maagi1 The guy must have been afk for 3 rounds then because in Venruki's latest video, he was pumping almost 1mil dps whilst CC'ing/slowing/rooting like it was nothing and in one round did the same damage as the entire other team 🤣
I got hit by malefic rapture for 1.4 mil on live servers in a BGB. Not sure if there's some bug or something because the aff lock did 2x the damage of the next person and more healing than one of the healers.
I feel ya. Retail PVP is for more advanced players. Older slower iterations are better for many of us less skilled players. I completely agree with you here.
@@hobblefoottherogue1094 your buttons and skills felt like they mattered in the first 3 expansions. In retail it just doesn't feel good. It's also hard to comprehend the damage and what's going on with these huge numbers and health pools, all the passive healing and survivability. Not to mention the skill effects themselves, it's all way too busy. It would do retail some good to cut all that bloat out
@@jessedavis5992 this. It's not about skill, it's about how impactful your cc setups and abilities used to feel. I play cata and retail arenas, and cata is so much more satisfying. In retail, you think you and your team layers everything correctly, then someone will just heal 90% in one button, they will pop 2 walls, and the healers are virtually unkillable. Everyone is a damage sponge and it's just a slow, drawn out mess of self heals and shields
Great they made Malefic shadowflame, and also buff shadowbolts. Aoe sb kinda awkward 10 yard range from the target, they better made it so sb hits all targets with your corruption on it, or smth like that
but nah dude, you do this with every good class in the game. You wont " showcase" what youre going to be maining, putting every other decent class on blast till they get nerfed.....
Affliction warlock is average lol. It’s going to be pretty awful without the survivability lock depends on to live between “burst” windows. A decent bit of classes are getting more defensives but aff lock is losing the largest part of its kit? Its ability to giga drainlife.
Affliction deserves to be ignored by any nerfs for the next month. I was D tier for 2 years, slow casting nothing burgers. I pray blizz devs don;t do to affliciton what they did to Fire mage and BM,,, BM, the most played class in the game for 15 years and it is useless, in every game mode.
Agony stacks have to go. Phantom has to go. Dots must do more damage. I don't play without drain soul. Don't take away my rp! Warlock healing and cc are outdated for 8 years now! I was playing rp-pvp for 11 years - no death allowed in pvp. So, I'm not looking for 2bit comments.
@@maagi1 When Venruki hypes it so much, and more or less wins on other classes. I would say that Aff warlock aint something that special. If he does the same on frost mage then yes I agree.
@@maagi1 True, but still one of the best pvp players in the world, he is on a level higher then most other pvp players in the game. He would get glad on any class he wants.
Precog should be baseline. If you get juked you should be punished and not rewarded with another kick or stun or silence or incap or knock 😊 doesn't matter who triggers it
Absolutely need to do one of the following: 1) Heavily nerf Shadow Bolt damage for Aff (I believe it is fine for Demo bit could be wrong). 2) Establish an internal CD on Nightfall and not allow it to stack. Instant Shadow Bolts from a DoT spec doing WAY more damage than Chaos Bolt which has a significant cast time (especially at the start of an expansion) and is supposed to be a very hugh damage spell is wildly bad game design. 🤦🏻♂️👎🏼
Prob with affliction is there’s no survivability now without drain life
wym without it?
@@SIIKAP1 they removed the only talent that made it worth pressing by just spreading Agony on everything. Only reason to use it now is if you soul rot 3+ targets and if u have breathing room to even cast it without getting kicked.
they nerfed self healing on almost every class, gameplay feels a lot slower right now so i dont think ure right
Thats why you don't choose a class watching a video, as a lock main O hate the way it is, if I want burst I would play destro
@@kaleoandros25 As a lock main, I like how affi feels at least with the pure single-target build I made for it with Haunt and dropping rampant because fk that extra 10% UA nerf.
The commenter above you is right. The class doesn't need the crazy drain life healing with how tanky it is already and how we can now use multiple healthstones in fights. Personally I'd be fine giving up demonic healthstones to have back the 50 D.L stacks from Agony sticks, but whatever, I'm adaptable.
Seems pretty well balanced. Didnt do top damage nor win more than 3 rounds, very different from that ele shaman video you did back when it was super busted
I agree... anyone can put a montage of clips together and say a class is OP but in this case I think aff is solid but no way OP
Now frost mages on the other hand.... >_>
@@dekkah7529 By that logic frost mage isn't op either lol. Lowest dmg and 3 wins.
@@maagi1 The guy must have been afk for 3 rounds then because in Venruki's latest video, he was pumping almost 1mil dps whilst CC'ing/slowing/rooting like it was nothing and in one round did the same damage as the entire other team 🤣
shadowbolt on aff soul harvestor hits even harder and if you haunt you get free shadowbolt nightfall proc
amazing I love affi lock, thank you for your time!
I got hit by malefic rapture for 1.4 mil on live servers in a BGB. Not sure if there's some bug or something because the aff lock did 2x the damage of the next person and more healing than one of the healers.
"Warlock is insane" gets busted up by a mage in seconds...
Everyones get busted by ice mage on beta and Venruki say they need to get nerfed everytime he play on his mage so stop whining.
so true.
Insane doesn't mean it's the best in the world.
People can enjoy classes and kill a lot while still having trouble fighting certain classes.
It's so easy to see through the fake excitement
wonder how affliction will pair with rogue assassination/healer in 3s.
Blizzard hates warlocks, they fk us over every expansion. Want to get double-fkd? Roll a warlock engineer. the 2 things Blizzard can't stand.
Is it possible to get your UI layout export please?
*_just getting back into WoW since 5 years ago_*
1.2 MILLION DAMAGE WTF?!?!
No matter how many times I try I just cant get into retail. The health pools and damage numbers and healing just doesn't feel right
I feel ya. Retail PVP is for more advanced players. Older slower iterations are better for many of us less skilled players. I completely agree with you here.
@@hobblefoottherogue1094 your buttons and skills felt like they mattered in the first 3 expansions. In retail it just doesn't feel good. It's also hard to comprehend the damage and what's going on with these huge numbers and health pools, all the passive healing and survivability. Not to mention the skill effects themselves, it's all way too busy. It would do retail some good to cut all that bloat out
@@jessedavis5992 this. It's not about skill, it's about how impactful your cc setups and abilities used to feel. I play cata and retail arenas, and cata is so much more satisfying. In retail, you think you and your team layers everything correctly, then someone will just heal 90% in one button, they will pop 2 walls, and the healers are virtually unkillable. Everyone is a damage sponge and it's just a slow, drawn out mess of self heals and shields
@@hobblefoottherogue1094 Nice bait bro, try harder next time.
shout out for the In Flames shirt!
Great they made Malefic shadowflame, and also buff shadowbolts. Aoe sb kinda awkward 10 yard range from the target, they better made it so sb hits all targets with your corruption on it, or smth like that
what talents u using in affli pvp?
shadowbolts volley and procs feel so juicy :3
Why is there 35 pets running around as a spectator it’s impossible to know what’s happening 😢
Disc shielding ppl for half their hp bar & dodging ever nerfs on every update
frost mage d tier
Hey Venruki, no soul rot, why is that? isnt Soul rot good with soul swap?
dude put up three dots and did more damage than my bm hunter with full cds up
This is why I’m trying survival
Can you put in the comments what your rotation looks like
cool but aff shouldn't be a "burst" spec
Yeah, rapture feels awful and doesn’t fit the spec. Dots just tickle, sucks
I disagree, aff needs kill potential. A 10 min game with 0 burst is not a good design.
It’s no longer just aff though. It’s aff/demo or aff/destro
@Paul-Sapp it needs ramling damage.. fots dhould do more damage the lower your health and there should be execute potential
@@tylerchapman8856 agree, it’s a dot spec…if you want burst play destro imo
Second round coil into stun would have both healed and peeled you
Aff burst is an abomination
but nah dude, you do this with every good class in the game. You wont " showcase" what youre going to be maining, putting every other decent class on blast till they get nerfed.....
Im subbed, show how OP mage is before TWW release. Also Feral druids crit 3M so stop saying 1M is OP/crazy damage
Cope
He did it several time claiming ice mage is god tier and will 100% be nerfed due to their broken state.
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Always comedy when a top ladder player makes a video on 1800 solo shuffle lobby saying this spec op.
Affliction warlock is average lol. It’s going to be pretty awful without the survivability lock depends on to live between “burst” windows. A decent bit of classes are getting more defensives but aff lock is losing the largest part of its kit? Its ability to giga drainlife.
This defo won't be going live
at least u need to cast :D what about ice lance dealing 1M5 :D ?
I sure hope you level the warlock because everyone else who streams their warlock I can't stand to watch. + dnb.
Me watching this as a retri😅
does affliction counter ret?
Play Frost Mage
frost mage video??? just keep on hating on the other classes lol
When did he hate affli?
This person is trolling or being satirical because no one believes this.
The beta is an absolute joke right now.
Affliction deserves to be ignored by any nerfs for the next month. I was D tier for 2 years, slow casting nothing burgers. I pray blizz devs don;t do to affliciton what they did to Fire mage and BM,,, BM, the most played class in the game for 15 years and it is useless, in every game mode.
You know it's coming.
I hope it stays strong
You know that arms and dhs have to be above everyone else
arguing to not nerf spec that is OP af in new exp because it was D tier before is such a nosence
What’s up with people saying their spec was D or F tier when it wasn’t? Aff was A tier at worst in S4 of DF.
Agony stacks have to go. Phantom has to go. Dots must do more damage. I don't play without drain soul.
Don't take away my rp! Warlock healing and cc are outdated for 8 years now!
I was playing rp-pvp for 11 years - no death allowed in pvp. So, I'm not looking for 2bit comments.
lol, top dps once.. won 3 rounds, nothing special
By that logic frost mage is nothing special too. Lowest dmg and 3 wins lol
@@maagi1 When Venruki hypes it so much, and more or less wins on other classes. I would say that Aff warlock aint something that special. If he does the same on frost mage then yes I agree.
@@Riddick608 I don't think he is too experienced on affli tho
@@maagi1 True, but still one of the best pvp players in the world, he is on a level higher then most other pvp players in the game. He would get glad on any class he wants.
Affl will get nerfed, always does when it’s good at start of expac
They need to take precog out of the game
Or you could learn how to not get juked lol
Then melee needs a nerf cause it’s impossible to cast without precog
@@Hitmaster8 team can trigger it
Precog should be baseline. If you get juked you should be punished and not rewarded with another kick or stun or silence or incap or knock 😊 doesn't matter who triggers it
Precog should be a passive that everyone has.
Absolutely need to do one of the following:
1) Heavily nerf Shadow Bolt damage for Aff (I believe it is fine for Demo bit could be wrong).
2) Establish an internal CD on Nightfall and not allow it to stack.
Instant Shadow Bolts from a DoT spec doing WAY more damage than Chaos Bolt which has a significant cast time (especially at the start of an expansion) and is supposed to be a very hugh damage spell is wildly bad game design. 🤦🏻♂️👎🏼