The Breitling I Love To Hate.
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- The New SuperOcean is an interesting watch. I love the design but there's just one thing that confuses the hell out of me.
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Why should we believe his name is Joshua when he jacket is clearly labeled Ron.
LOL, I was like "people are totally gonna call you Ron". Joshua: "stay classy San Diego" 😜
I’m Ron Burgundy?
I was wondering if it might be a brand name, did a search but no.
r/rolex Ron?
@@KilgoreOnDrugs …… 😂
God I’ve seen so many reviews criticising this watch and probably a whole tonne of comments from people that have never seen the watch or tried it on. I spent an afternoon last week looking at Tudor’s, Oris, Omega, and this Breitling. Out of all the watches I looked at, the SuperOcean and Oris Aquis were the ones that impressed the most. The quality really shines and the comfort on the wrist is excellent, the bracelet is high quality and the ratcheting mechanism in the clasp is excellent. If they put a Kinessi movement in, the watch becomes much thicker-just look at that side profile of a BB, then it’s not as nice to wear. Yes the B17 is a modified Sellita, but it’s a top spec chronometer grade Sellita. As for the low power reserve, well I wear my watches so not a problem, or buy a winder, or better yet, spend a minute with the crown out and set the time, and wind that buttery smooth movement.
I agree. You should never listen to utubers. They know nothing 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for this. I couldn’t agree more. I am currently on a cruise and my wife just surprised me with the blue dail 42 mm and all I can say is I can’t stop looking at it. It’s beautiful and I love the slim profile. The bracelet is magnificent. And the clasp is A1. Who doesn’t love an “on the fly adjustment!! I have a few nice luxury pieces but I will keep this one forever!! I really couldn’t care less about the TH-camrs negative opinions because at the end of the day , you buy what YOU LIKE. Period
The heritage superocean has the tudor movement and isnt as thick as the tudor
@@SIZZO76 But he is completly right, this watch is overpriced. A simple Sellita/ETA in a watch that expensive is a no-go.
@@tonianmannah1582 Of course people should buy what they like, But there is still a truth to what you like.
Out of all the watches I have, and I have a few good ones, all my non-watch friends immediately think that my Breitling super ocean is the most expensive. I think that says a lot.
Same here. Love my Breitling.
Its the AR of breitlings! looks so expensive
It proves that people outside of this hobby have no idea.
Looks beautiful. I tried it on in a botique in Stockholm last summer. 42 millimieters looks incredible on the wrist because of the case shape. Doesn't feel like a 42 at all. Stunning watch in person. Much better looking than in the pictures
Yeah I really wanted to love this watch
@@WatchCrunchOfficial just curious, at what price point would it move the needle to love (I’m more curious about putting this in a future used market list to keep an eye on).
I hope this watch bombs out in the secondary market. I also tried one on at a boutique and would pick one up in a heart beat for the right price.
Breitling tends to look better in person and that’s something which is rarely mentioned.
I just picked up the Kelly Slater version, and I think it's the orange dial watch that will finally stick in my collection. Absolutely love it.
This is solid content. While I was aware of these shortcomings, I am always grateful for creators who pull back the curtain on Swiss watch shenanigans and shortcomings. There are too many. (I’m looking at your Panerai.)
You better look at Rolex, Giancarlo. Plenty of filth there.
I've been following your channel for a few months now and I'm not crazy about every watch you're talking about but the level of your reviews are very high. This one is excellent. All the best. 👍👍👍
Breitling has a 2 stage approach to getting good. Stage 1 is to revamp all their model lines and designs. Stage 2 is upping their 3-hand + date movement game. Stage 1 is all but complete. Stage 2 is coming over the next few years. That 25% private equity sale of Breitling recently has injected a lot of capital and confidence for them to execute stage 2 and it’s pretty exciting. It’s a shame the super oceans missed the movement upgrade. But it’s a bit like Tudor Black Bay Heritage with the ETA and then later Kenissi movements. It will come for all their premium lines. Avenger will likely stay on Sellita. Btw the two-tone looks stunning. Breitling red gold is the best shade of gold in the industry.
Very interesting. If they'd just put a better movement in the SuperOcean, easy fix!
Very insightful.
My understanding is they went with that movement to ensure a solid supply. I personally don’t think they need an in-house movement, but I think an SW300 base with the 56 hour power reserve would have made me feel a bit better about the pricing. They are competing directly with Tudor at that price and Tudor brings the goods. That being said, I really do like these watches. The 42mm feels great on my 7.25” wrist. I love how relatively thin they are and the bit more bling does has a certain appeal, even though the Pelagos’ lack of it is also appealing. The bezel clicks/feel are nice as is the quick adjust on both the rubber or bracelet options. I could probably pull off the 44mm quite easily, but I just think the 42 is a great balance. I do appreciate the movement is COSC, which I consider table stakes at the price point. Besides that, my only wish would be for it to have a date. It seems I am in the minority on that feeling among enthusiasts, but I don’t think so on the wider watch consumer market. I know some brands have added a no date diver to their offerings and said that even with that the date model still commanded 70% of the sales. A date is a useful feature. I wonder if we will get an updated movement in these in a couple years.
@5:40 longines was the first to put a chronograph onto a wristwatch in 1911-1913, it was a monopusher. Breitling was the first to separate the pusher from the crown
Good call
Another great video! Also looking forward to more videos from Ron.
I’m glad you noted the disparity in price versus movement used. It is also my main gripe with this otherwise excellent watch. As you said, it wears really well for a 42mm watch. But hard to commit that price for a ETA movement still with 38hrs PR. But could still make for a compelling option preowned.
I have to say I much preferred the design of the previous model and a very good point you made about the movement choice 👌
First off Breitling is very underrated.
Second I purchased my first one 23 years ago a Super Ocean A17040 and it still going strong! It's such a great watch so versatile and the build quality is A+ and it feels great on the wrist.
Third I just upgraded to a Super Ocean A17366 and love it. I wouldn’t buy a Tudor over Breitling on any day they just look cheap to me.
I agree. You should never listen these utubers😂😂😂😂
I think the Super Ocean is a fantastic looking watch. Breitling was one of my first forays into the "luxury" watch market so I have a soft spot for them.
Max, great review and honesty, Tell it like it is.. I love the SuperOcean but, you are so right. it boils down to value for money. I had that little tickle when I saw the watch, I love the colors and options of sizes then I went "sigh" .... Thanks again Max great content!
Great honest review. That’s why I watch and subscribe. Thanks!
The Kenissi caliber is very thick and that's why they didn't use it in this watch. It was very important for the design of this watch to be as thin as possible and the creation of a new chronograph caliber would be very expensive and would skyrocket the price of the watch.
The Kelly Slater LE is the first Breitling I bought. Beautiful watch. When my wife saw it she said, 'that watch looks like it was made for you'. But this isn't a watch you buy if it's your only watch, cause you wouldn't get it over, say, an Omega Seamaster 300M. But if you have a few watches like I do (and many enthusiasts do) then it's a nice one to add. I have no regrets.
Funny, I now have both... as well as the Tag Heuer Night Diver and Submariner. I think I have a very solid group of dive watches.
I kinda like it. Having owned three previous Superoceans…I’m fine with the movement, since I never had any issue and all kept within 2 sec/day. My 2017 Rolex SD43 has gone back for service 4 times. Wish the new Superocean had a a date window and thinner inner white dial ring.
I actually dig the chunky hands and bold colors for these. If they were in the $1900 range I’d probably pull the trigger. But your insights lined up with mine, and I just don’t see the value at that price point. But hey, if they can get the sales more power to them.
There is no way Breitling could sell for $1900. Their quality is well above that price point.
Interesting-and informative-take. You changed my mind. Love, and sticking with, my white dial, blue bezel, 12/6/9.
Nice to meet you Joshua😀😀
I completely respect your honesty.
You've highlighted the two key points on this watch that have stopped me pursuing a purchase - that minute hand (WTH) and the ETA 2824-2 movement; a movement that can now be found in 300 Dollar watches on AliExpress!
So much to love, but fatally flawed from my point of view.
Great points and video
Cool video. I like the old version of the SuperOcean, but this new version isn’t bad, either. Welcome aboard, Ron!
Thats a winner for me. Looks very nice!
I believe this is a Sellita movement. 26 jewels. Regulated to be COSC certified.
I looked at this watch and I agree with you. I passed because of the minutes hand and the movement. In the end it was the minute hand I can't do it.
It looks really good. I like the black or turquoise - or indeed the bronze version with the brown gradient dial. Shame they didn’t recreate the Slow Motion.
Yeah it's an handsome watch...
I hear the concern about the movement - it gave me pause when recently considering this model - but I think the overall value taken up in case finishing, brand recognition, chronometer certification, and affordable maintenance / reliability. Still, I chose another option altogether with a Sellita equivalent movement for significantly less money.
Agree with you 100%
The Breitling Premier with the B01 movement is a great watch. They have chronographs with the 7750 movement and chronographs with the B01. They are priced about the same. Apparently, it is about profit. Non watch nerds won’t know the difference, until their watch makes that annoying noise.
Welcome on Joshua!
Breitling should make a GMT version of the watch. I would think that the bezel and large minute markers in the inner "bezel" lends itself very well to the GMT look (think inner 24h track). Would certainly help if they could get themselves a traveler's GMT movement though
Have the black dial on bracelet. It’s an amazingly well built watch and the bracelet is fantastic.
mate this looks amazing with a beautiful finish which is just as good as rolex / Omega. Oh, and you can actually buy one in a AD not a stupid wait list don't really agree with you
My wife who knows little about watches bought me this for Christmas. I fell in love on unboxing. But I had no idea of the specs. So when I saw the movement I was disappointed because of the money she spent. However I still have it. Even with the movement and power reserve short comings I can’t let it go. It wears so well. Looks so good on me. And the very first day I wore it. I got a wow, great watch. So I’m probably keeping it.
Keep it my friend. THE SUPER OCEAN IS GREAT WATCH AND THIS NEW MODEL IS BEAUTIFUL😊
I walked in to a Watches of Switzerland last weekend to get my new Submariner sized... I had the Kelly Slater on my wrist. As soon as I walked in I got a "Oh wow... really cool watch!"
Thanks Max !
It’s always nice to see the Mukilteo Lighthouse make an appearance.
Thanks for the honest review. Not that I would ever buy a $5,000 dive watch or any watch at that price. You're absolutely makes no sense to me paying for a name. I just bought a Phoibos with the same movement in it for $400 brand new old stock. The Great Wall I haven't received it yet but I would bet the quality is right up there with breitling.
Bravo man, those macro shots are hot, made me drool on my phone. 😅
I love the style of that watch. It just looks so darn good. But at that price it would be a pass for me. Still, just so good looking.
The heart wants what the heart wants...
I could not agree more Max. The Tudor sourced movement would have made a lot more sense at this price with a high beat and better power reserve at this price. It should make it easier to get serviced with the proven reliable ETA 2824 . I'm not sure about the bezel just mirroring the rehaut either as it just makes the dial look small to me, maybe if I saw one in the flesh I may change my mind but I have not. I must admit I do like the look of it though but as you mention that lume brick on the minute hand could confuse me. As a Tudor owner I associate the extra lumed aesthetic with the hour hand but maybe that's just me.
Those Breitling super oceans are easy pass for me for the price tag and horrible thick hands. Your honest review confirmed my takes. Keep the great work mate !
I actually like the styling, but it's just not a complete package...
I dig those chunky hands. It’s like they saw the Rolex Mercedes hands and went the opposite direction. I even dig the their take on the square and use of the green as well.
But, this is aesthetic and we will each have our own takes in those areas
Thanks for the review! I’m not generally a breitling fan but this one fit so so well on the wrist. I don’t mind the hands and these can be had at discount. Considering that I feel ok about the price. The bezel feel is shockingly good too imo.
So true on the movement and the price for it. If only they would have used the Tudor movement . . .
Appreciate the honest take. 😉
Thanks bud 😁
Ron seems like a great guy
The previous gen SuperOcean is also ETA and yes there is a price increase but I can argue the new SO upgraded to Ceramic bezel insert and is better made when I handled them at the AD. I suspect Tudor only traded the bigger size (MT5602) Kenissi movement that is used in the BB Heritage 41mm aka B20 and Breitling do not have access to the smaller (MT5402) movement used in the BB58. The B20 is 2mm thicker than the ETA and if this SO is 14.5mm thick I would not have bought it.
I tried it on at an AD and I think they wear great and looks good. But like others I’m not a fan of the giant square on the minute hand.
Well done, I dont particular like this retake of the superocean neither, it just seems off in soo many ways espcially at that price point.
It's a really well made watch. Shame 😔
Thanks for a great video on a so-so watch.
Haha, cheers
Absolutely agree with the conclusion here. When this watch first came out, I talked to a Breitling dealer and said, "It seems expensive for an ETA 2824 watch." He said quietly, "I agree." This is an excellent $3000 watch selling for almost $5000.
Awesome vid - I prefer the A17366
For some reason I see Josh in his spare time making hip hop beats
Josh, you need to give Ron back his jacket.
I would have bought the green bronze version in a heartbeat if they put in a different movement. I cant with any more 38 hour power reserve ETA 2824/SW-200 movement at that price point. Breitling has access to the MT5 Tudor movements which they could have easily put in the SuperOcean lineup.
Exactly 💯
I think this LE is one that people will kick themselves for sleeping on.
It will never replace the “old super ocean” or the other watches you can’t get. It definitely won’t check the boxes of the forum fantasy watch league matrix. But, once people see this for what is, it will be celebrated.
I like the design. Give me an in-house movement and get rid of the wacky minute hand and I’m in.
Im curious how good these sell ? I rarely see one on the internet. The huge minute hand ruins the watch for me, it look way out of proportion
Love them but, Max I hope you find and introduce more unique brands. I collected a lot of microbrand watches, but I feel like there's kind of a wall of quality they can't cross. If there are brands that challenge that. Of course with affordable price lol🤑🤑
Man imagine being named after mad cow disease
I have one of these in white with a steel bracelet , I get a lot of looks and compliments, in my personal opinion it's a younger man's watch vs a Tudor or a rolex that's more of a status watch and older styel.
That Kelly Slater limited edition orange watch is not easy to find (wish it was...).
I want the new Superocean so bad. The 44m version is perfection
If you don't know about it, check out 2020's Superocean Heritage '57. It might be the prettiest watch Breitling ever made.
I own the previous SO 42 and it looks a heck of a lot better IMHO.
Absolutely right
Opinions differ, but they're selling like hotcakes. CEO Georges Kern said it best; dive watches tend to look alike. This one is unique but still very attractive and eye catching.
How about a video for a grail watch upto £3,000,give us 10 options.great video by the way.
Hi Ron! 🫶🏻
The shapes of the hour and minute hands need to be reversed🙄. I’ve been a Breitling guy for many years but this is a head scratcher. And these are valid points about the movement. Too pricey for an ETA. I agree, they should have put the Tudor movement in this watch. They have done well with the other models, but the SO is lagging behind IMO.
They put a 2824 in a $5000 watch? Could have at least been a 2892.
1:07 I thought his name was RON :)
The only way this works is on personal taste, I have one. I marvel at its build, finish and accuracy. It has no date, so 38 hours makes little difference. If you put it in a collection, then it might be a problem to many people that want to dismiss its real potential. Any.
You are right with the movement… I mean …come onnn … 5000 for eta 2824 ???
Your point is well taken. Sooner or later, Breitling is going to have to bite the bullet and come up with their own "manufacture" three hand movement. Given their great B01 manufacture chronograph movement, they are more than capable of doing so. Perhaps they don't sell enough non-chronograph watches to justify the expense, so they just buy Tudor movements.
I think it's a very sharp looking watch, but many think it looks weird. Plus an ETA 2824 for 5 grand? I don't think it's gonna be a big seller.
when preowned Seamaster 300s with modified ETAs are in the $2000s...
At this price point I totally agree that they should have done a lot more with the movement - and they are not alone - tag and iwc should’ve included in that lack of in house at the price point discussed.
Beauty without substance unfortunately
100%. While I still find this watch is cool in term of desin, I will never pay for the retail price they are asking. Nothing against the movement but it doesn't belong in a watch that is over $2000 in my opinion.
I really like this watch. The design is cool and unique. But it's just not a reasonable pick at that price. I don't think this watch is any better than an Tag Heuer Aqua-racer, or even an Oris Aquis. For an Omega price tier they should have done more with the movement.
My only comment on this watch is the dial is too small causing too much bezel.
The giant blob on the minute hand does stick out like a sore thumb. And still not convinced of the value.
My biggest issue: don’t have all colors in all sizes. Love the white but need to offer it in one bigger sizes.
Not just an off the shelf ETA. It's regulated and cased up by Britling with COSC certification. As for being a bastard, it's inspired by the Slow Motion. I'm sure this watch is entry level, as a true chrono Slow Motion will come out in a few years at double this price.
Hey man, love the content but could you tone it down a tad with the watch crunch ads? It gets a bit tiresome after a while. I'm already at watch crunch 😜
My name is Joshua, but everyone here calls me Ron!
I love these new watches, but too expensive for me. I can buy a fun microbrand for $500.
A little bit too much on the blocky indices / second hand. A different second hand eliminating the block, would provide a little relief.
And the closed case back on a watch in this price range, is a horrible decision.
Have to agree with the critique of an ETA movement at this price point. Look at what Omega gives you at $5k. That's the competition.
I have the black 46 on rubber and looks fabulous and gets a lot of compliments and I don’t give a rats ass about the movement only having 40hrs of reserve power, i buy a watch for how it looks and IMO it looks great and my opinion is king …. Great video
this is exactly my take on this watch! it really is a half assed job on all levels. case and bezel, looks great but its basically a submariner hommage. movement, eta, a great movement, but not at 5000 dollars. slow chono rehaut, awesome, but no actual slow chrono. like what is even going on??
too many numbers, no idea whats going in the dial. How many 0-60 minute registers do you need?
prefer the previous gen no comparison. I want to like and own a Breitling, but they currently dont make anything I would want to buy
It's not even an ETA movement, it's a modified Sellita SW200.
Good looking but too expensive! Why not a true “slow” true chrono?
This will end up in the AD discount bin eventually. At 30% off.. it’s about right.. almost.
This watch reminds me of Zodiac Super Sea Wolf watermelon.
When you are speaking, there should be an absence of background noise distracting the listener. It is a classic youtuber mistake a lot of people make. Causes a lot of us on super audio systems at home to cringe and bail out of the video. Intro music is fine and outro music is fine, nothing in between.
wearing ron's jacket
Tudor all day long!
Agree 100% with you. I'm really excited about then direction of Breitling in general but they missed the mark on this watch.