Can Catholics Vote For Trump?! w/ Dr. Jacob Imam
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Jacob Imam and Matt Fradd read an article about the Presidential debate. They discuss if Trump's position is a political strategy or genuine. If it is purely strategic is it morally wrong to lie in that way? How should Catholics react?
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Catholic British politician Sir Jason Rees-Mogg, has always openly stated that he is against abortion in all circumstances, stating: "life begins at the point of conception." He has described abortion as "a cult of death" and a "modern tragedy", adding "with same-sex marriage, that is something that people are doing for themselves. With abortion, that is what people are doing to the unborn child".
I would love to see him interviewed on Pints as I am sure he has some time on his hands now that he has just lost his seat in Parliament in last weeks UK elections.
A very interesting and articulate man with solid Catholic views of the world.
Maybe if we can get enough likes to this comment it may get the attention of Matt and we might be able to see another great youtube interview.
I agree with you 💯 👍 🇬🇧 ♥️
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 Conservatives are always the targets.
I heard he has time off now.
I once knew his nephew.
Awesome
The "Culture of Death" phrase comes from JPII😊
Mr Mogg definitely
Stop judging Donald Trump as if he were a Catholic and stop judging Joe Biden as if he were not.
You will know them by their fruits.
Thank you!!!
Whoever wins , we lose.
Biden supports abortion ...
Did Biden officiate at the "wedding" of a gay couple? Did Biden enable millions of abortions to be performed? Are either of these things in line with Catholic doctrines?
For the Catholics who say they’re not voting, consider Pope Benedict XVI who said: “When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
Trent Horn says: “But what should we do if two viable candidates in an election both support legal abortion? In this case, a Catholic may vote for the one who, as the USCCB says, is ‘deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other authentic human goods.’”
Unfortunately nothing seems to change, not only in the US, but all of North America: Mexico, Canada and the US. Catholics keep letting other push them. Abortion is becoming the new norm (Ik this isn't newsflash)
he got that wrong
@@donnasherwood283 who - the pope, Trent horn, or the USCCB?
Over there you have the right to abstain - make use of it, because other nations do not.
@littleway24601 There are hundreds of Presidential candidates. Quit thinking you only have two to choose from. That kind of thinking helped get us into this mess.
I would rather vote for the man who been to the Walk for Life, who put Justices on the Supreme Court who were willing to overturn Roe, and who understands that you can't become POTUS by reinforcing DNC talking points (Handmaid's Tale Scare) than vote for a "good Catholic" who thinks abortion is okay up to birth and tries to call abortion "health care".
You're still picking between two evils.
@Wunderhass lol what makes him evil?
@@Wunderhasspicking between a guy who won't work to expand abortion access federally and a guy who will. Biden has promised to work to reinstate the policy of Roe. Trump says he's happy to leave it to the states. Neither are good, but one is clearly better than the other. Our bishops' conference and former pipes have said that we are right to vote for the one who will do the least to further the cause of evil.
@@Wunderhass Just make sure you believe everything the pc media tells you to believe, as well as do what they tell you to do. So much for independent thinking. We've got our media to do that for us.
@@TheDoctorProfessor Because the media told him so. So few think for themselves anymore.
The real question is "can catholics vote for anybody other than Trump".
If they are actually Christ-like, then no. If they talk the talk(praise the name) but don’t walk the walk(pick up the cross daily), then yes.
Independents who are pro-life?
@@resist4god He is not for anything good plus he is a narcissist and sociopath. He really doesn't care about abortion. He just thinks it sounds good.
@@resist4godRFK, Jr. isn't in between on abortion. He believes in abortion up to birth.
You can do a write-in or just don’t vote. As Catholics we can vote for someone that is horrible if the other person is worse. Lesser of two evils approach. You half to go for the non negotiable’s. Gay marriage would fall under the category of commandment 6 and abortion number 5. The commandments are in order of importance. If both candidates are in favor of homosexual marriage and one is more pro-life than the other; it would be permissible to vote for that candidate who is in closer favor to God’s laws.
Yes, Catholics can vote for Trump.
Catholics are voting fir Ben Gvir : he at least believes in defending borders !
His first term started off well because Obama had spent 8 years fixing the mortgage bond derivative crash and the 2008 recession - Trump had a good economy. What did he do? Tariffs on China, another round of supply-side economic policy, a mismanaged epidemic - nobody remembers that he took a half trillion dollars from the Covid Relief Act to dispense how he saw fit - But there's got to be a better way to deal with liberals and immigrants than to undermind the protections of law - which is Trump's forte, he never wins a case, he just drags it out forever on technicalities - he's just a dishonest salesman who tells people what they want to hear. Oh, and he big 100 miles of wall - just not a very Christian sort of fellow - nepotism, adultery, lechery, vanity, cruelty, ambition - not to mention the dealins with Russia and those ultra top secrets he hid and lied about - tell you what, let's each party choose a new candidate, shuffle the deck and draw again :)
Vote for RFk
@@bdlc1701RFK chose a radical baby killer for a VP
@@bdlc1701 No Catholic should EVER vote for a Kennedy man, none of them, including RFK.
In my opinion, the elder abuse problem today is caused by no one being at home. Mothers and Fathers work. Kids are super busy. Family is not available.
Indeed, my grandparents, with four children and many grandchildren, are unfortunately not always being watched and cared for in their 80s and 90s. However, the next generations (Boomers and Gen X) have had fewer children and, therefore, fewer grandchildren. I guess we'll import millions of Kenyans to take care of our old parents.
Blame capitalism and modernism, and subsequent to that the state and post-60s culture.
@@Montfortracing I would have to agree.
This is why families used to live in one house together, multigenerational. The 40s-50s changed that immensely. Too many people want their McMansions, new cars, possessions, so both parents work for "things". THAT is the root of the problem.
@@lorih9182 I mean I dont want any of those things and both parents still have to work to make a decent living, especially in some parts of the country. And if people say "well then move somewhere that's cheaper", it's not really an option for many either. Then they're even farther from the family they're supposed to be close to or they can't find work there.
One helps get Roe vs Wade overturned, one has no limits. Stop projecting and look at results.
“No limits” is not true.
Trump also wants no federal limit
@@cathalhendron3941because Trump wants the states to decide
@@ArkangilosThe states should decide who can own slaves.
@@OrangeXenon54 preaching to the choir. I disagree with “the states should decide” as a status quo, but it beats what we had prior to Trump.
In my state, before the ruling, which was possible thanks to Trump, abortion was happening.
After the ruling, thanks to Trump, my state completely banned it.
So, because “states should decide” won over “states should not decide”, my state no longer offers child sacrifice as a legal option. The pro life movement has achieved a victory it *would not have achieved otherwise*
Should we leave it as “states should decide”? No. But we should acknowledge that victory comes in steps.
Our choice is Trump or the supposed Catholic who supports abortion up until birth. It's kind of a no-brainer
You are lying about Biden. He is personally pro-life but libertarian about the government's role in preventing it.
Lying is bearing false witness.
You have more than two choices! Educate yourself on RFK and vote for him
Yeah and throw the election. That's not a choice. It's a blue vote if not red. Actually mathematically guaranteed to be a two party system.
@@bdlc1701 What's his stance on abortion?
@@nickdombrowski3208Kennedy is pro abortion.
Christ is the King of America
King of the UNIVERSE! 😊
Amen
Amen to that!
True, but it would be nice if we emulated Heaven. Heaven is a kingdom. We should be one. A Catholic Monarchy, with nothing ever elected at the national level. I wouldn't even allow it at the state level, but maybe the town level.
@@Anpu90 he’s not dead. He’s God. He resurrected himself and sits at the right hand of the Father. You keep being like that and you’ll regret your words when you stand before him at your death to be judged.
I believe we are allowed to vote for the lesser of two evils. And thanks to Trump Roe v Wade was overturned.
Trump is not the lesser of two evils. He washed his hands of the decision by leaving it up to the states. He wants to take away all freedom. I don't believe in abortion however now they are letting women bleed until they are on the brink of death in some states and stop D and C procedures under calling it abortion when someone has miscarried. Trump is evil and doesn't care about anyone but himself and his followers are more concerned with their jobs than the American people.
Yup, and a lot of good came from it. Plenty of states have outright banned abortion or have a very very small window when an abortion is "legal". Very good change from every state being forced to allow abortions imo.
Jesus would have voted for evil because it was less for sure.
@@CMA418 Jesus is greater then the systems established by men. Governments will always be flawed, as they are run by sinners.
Yes, the spiritual battle for the nation is not going to be decided by a presidential election, but if you're suggesting we don't vote at all because Jesus Himself isn't a candidate on the ballot, I have to disagree.
@@CMA418Jesus wouldn't have voted for either of them!
Melania is Catholic and I think she has a greater impact on trumps choices that most people realize
Yes and she had many offensive things removed from the white house first time around.
Trumps daughter literally became a jew and his main advisor was her husband whose an iraeli arms dealer.
@@shell..47like what. The rose garden?
@@joanlamp2360 she never removed the Rose Garden.
She was baptized Catholic, and that didn't stop her from marrying a man who cheated on both his previous wives. Anyone can pretend to be Catholic or practicing another form of Christianity. Two fine examples are Melania and Donald Trump.
So would you rather have someone in the office who will allow post birth abortion? No, this does not make me refuse to vote for Trump. He is the best hope we have.
Attorney here. America was built on federalism: Federal government can't ban things like abortion, states hold such power. That's why Trump said it. He's a prominent of federalism. Let's properly frame the issue here.
Trump is the most pro life president we have ever had. 100% voting for trump!!!!!!
what about Ronald Reagan?
There’s clearly a disconnect here. Even as an abortion abolitionist you have to leave it up to the states in order not to screw up a bunch of other precedents. Otherwise the next democratic president will just use an executive order to declare abortion legal to whatever terms they want.
That wouldn’t be the case if Congress passed a federal ban, but yeah you’re right from a practical sense. They don’t have the votes for that and the only viable federal action at this point would be an executive order, which would likely cause more harm than good to the movement. Gotta be prudent too to sustain the long term goals of the pro-life/abolitionist movement
Or declare it illegal to whatever terms they want.
Right, for conservative goals to be achieved to any extent, the only answer is the states. If these questions are left up to the federal government, the liberals are going to win. They have the numbers, monetary support and media. If there is ever a federal abortion ban, it will be quickly repealed and something worse than Roe will be produced. At least there’s a chance in certain states to outlaw abortion where there are sustainable majorities of conservatives.
Every time a state outlaws abortion, it’s like saved progress on a video game. Each state is a building block or stepping stone to the next battle
Right now the only ones that will be available to vote for President is President Trump (R), Joe Biden (D), Chase Oliver (Libertarian), and RFK Jr (I). Right now, that is who is available. Based on those choices, the only one who fall’s closest to what the Church teaches is President Trump. Biden, Oliver, and RFK Jr are rabidly pro choice, so for that alone I cannot in good conscience vote for anyone but President Trump.
Alice Cooper for president. 😅
@@Saint_nobody, much better choice. He’s a born again Christian.
Just don't vote. The lesser evil is still evil. In America you are free to not vote, whereas here you get a fine, if you don't pay that fine you get a bigger fine, and if you don't pay that they threaten to cancel your driver's license. Don't abuse your right to not participate in immoral politics - while it sill exists.
@seanmcelroy9774 There are hundreds of Presidential candidates. Quit thinking you only have two to choose from. That kind of thinking helped get us into this mess.
Rfk is pro choice!
The real title should be, "Can Catholics Vote For Biden?!"
Why is this even a question? Trump has done far more from to protect unborn children than any President since Roe. Again, why is this even being asked? It was good that the moderators treated both respectfully. The lack of decorum in previous moderation tilted debates in the favor of the moderator's party so it was a good thing that the moderators faded themselves into the background rather than interjecting their own positions against the candidate they don't like. Being respectful to both candidates was a part of this and that was only a good thing for our electoral process as it allowed the strongest candidate to to win a fair debate. Why would anyone have a problem with that?
because Christians who vote for Trump seem to think he is without sin. There's nothing Moral about Trump... a politician is a politician.
Abortion isn’t the only issue Catholic’s should care about. Pro-Life means so much more than just being against abortion.
He's actively trying to remove the pro-life plank from the GOP platform. He's pro-abortion.
@@henryslatt9041 And who in the world said it is the only issue Catholics should care about? And if no one said that, why are you pretending like someone did? You are shadow boxing a figment of your imagination. It is according to the US Bishops the preeminent moral issue, but it is not the only issue which is why no one said it was the only issue except the little voice in your head.
@@AnselmInstitute Many Catholics are single-issue voters. The problem with being a single-issue voter is this: if the devil, being a known liar, decided to inhabit your local politician, and decided to campaign as pro-life, would you vote for him?
The devil is the father of all lies, and Trump is a known liar.
Glad this guy is an academic and not a politician lol. We’d never get abortion repealed.
Trump gives you more progress than you ever dreamed of in limiting abortion and all you can do is find fault and be disappointed.. Don't abandon the good in pursuit of the perfect. Accepting where you are today is the only way to complete the journey.
Better to be the right hand of the devil than in his path.
@@CMA418 If Trump is the devil, what does that make Biden? This discussion was regarding abortion, and I think you will find that Trump's position on this issue is much closer to the pro life view than that of Biden.
Abortion isn't the end all be all issue. Christ told us to feed the poor, cloth the naked, bring drink to the thirsty, welcome strangers, help and visit the sick and imprisoned. He never actually said anything on abortion. Both biden but especially trump not only ignore the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats but make it outright illegal or near impossible to be a sheep.
A country of over 300000000 million yet can’t find someone capable of leading it, this is very shameful. .
Because politics attracts those concerned with earthly power and “the wise say very little…” You won’t get elected to office if you say very little.
This world is a test that most will fail, “narrow is the path…”
Maybe God is making a point, of some sort.
What country has 300 trillion?
@@tent405 no sorry 300 million 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you think those people are equal is concerning.
How can anyone not vote for Trump????
As they said in the video, Trump is not pro-life on principle. He just wants to get elected. I'm voting for Peter Sonski, an actual pro-life candidate. I know it won't affect my state's electoral votes (I'm in a deep red state), but it is my way of showing the GOP not to take me for granted.
The GOP doesn't care. They don't like Trump either. The deep state is one bird with two wings.
Wouldn't ruining his chances of being President be immoral when you see what is being pushed by Trump's opponent?
Agreed 💯
Lesser of two evils? They're both evil. Maybe Trump less so, but no guaranties there. The best thing he's done is getting some good people on the SCOTUS by getting Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, & Barrett onto the bench. The prospect of a Biden reelection was already making things a bit risky for Thomas's and Alito's seats but I think it very likely both will be resigning during the next GOP presidency.
The only problem is that the ends don't justify the means. We can't do something we consciously know to be evil in order to achieve some "good". To do so is to throw away one's moral compass.
And tbh, i'm unsure regarding the logistics of what we do. On one hand, Biden is clearly someone who a Catholic shouldn't vote for in good conscious: he supports little to no restriction on abortion, he would allow children to be mutilated for the sake of "gender affirmation", and that's the tip of the iceberg. Let alone the fact he clearly can't stand on his own two feet, let alone run a country: letting him be president is basically elder abuse, and the people allowing him to continue this charade are abusing the man. NOT TO MENTION how he still goes to communion in an open state of mortal sin. However with Trump, abortion is the main problem area there, and realistically it wouldn't be right for someone who is Catholic in good conscious to support that necessarily. Abortion is infanticide, you're either killing babies or you're not... it's not a matter that is subject to variability.
I can't speak for his intentions, for all we know he does truly and genuinely want to end abortion, but at the very least I don't think this is the way to go about it. If you notice, evil never capitulates... it is always good that compromises and evil is more than willing to take it and come back the next time more ravenous. Any destruction will please evil, though it will never be satiated. You can't compromise with evil, If you do then evil is already winning.
This is a very complex issue, and unfortunately we are stuck between an "unideal" circumstance in which we will be supporting what will result in more infants dying/continuing to die. And yet we literally have no alternative aside from not voting... and that also is bad as well.
If I'm being honest, its an ugly circumstance that I don't personally have an answer to: but I'd personally rather people not condemn there souls and loose eternal life over this... and if it means having to live a VERY uncomfortable life then unfortunately that may be the only way.
Yeah, I honestly have little patience for self righteous fellow Catholics who think they’re voting for a saint or a pope. One guy got us the biggest win in our movement’s history, the other openly defies his “faith” and promotes unlimited abortion. If you’re pro-life and voting on this issue and can’t pull the trigger because he’s personally only 70% of the way there, you’re going to end up at 0%. Pro-choicers know who their guy is, we should take note of that.
What do you mean by "ruining his chances"?
I disagree with the young man's statement that some worship President Trump. That is so ridiculous. I'm so tired of hearing that. Because one supports him. He talks and lift up Jesus. He had repented and by no means is perfect. And I do not expect him to be perfect. Look at the policies and principles. Ponder on Isaiah 45.
Matt, please have on the president of Catholic Vote, Brian Burch, to talk about this!!! They were never-Trumpers but did a 180 once they realized what was at stake. Their commentary has been balanced and most importantly, faithful to Church teaching!
Their commentary is not balanced. They lean conservative, which is hardly a balanced ideology.
@@Montfortracing and The National Catholic Reporter is a leftist rag. Their bias is very evident. I’d rather lean conservative because Catholicism is more conservative than any religion or ideology out there. Bias is in every organization.
amen
Oh stop. It's a choice between a party that endorses infanticide, and the party that supports at least some moral and legal restrictions.
It’s pretty obvious to any Christian with a brain and morals that Trump is by far the better choice.
If you are mainly concerned about abortion, that might be true.
I am more concerned about the character of the man in office. Jesus said a bad tree cannot produce good fruit.
Trump is a felon, an adulterer, a rapist, a liar, a thief (of classified documents), and a fraudster. He also happens to be pro-life and pro-Jerusalem.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Trump is very Anti-Life. He advocates for abortion and promotes the death penalty.
RFK is the best choice!
Trump and morals? You can't be serious.
@@richarddefortuna2252yes, and until the party of death changes their stance on all things regarding life issues there is no option but to vote for every republican up and down the ballot.
Lol. I'd vote for Jesus if he was on the ballot. But since he's not... obviously Trump. What a click bait title.
You guys mised the current standing of the abortion issue. The current status is that the individual states. decide Some states limit abortion. The Dems want the federal governrment to decide it. It that happened the Democrats would open up abortion to no limits at all.
Yeah, they took very little notice of the legal issues. If Trump believes in separation of powers of the branches and the constitution, he must acknowledge the Courts decisions and support them. If either candidate wants to change the law, they need to pursue the creation of a new constitutional amendment, which is very difficult. Trump has made his pro-life stance clear, but he is required to temper it due to actual laws.
“If the world is against the truth than I am against the world.”
Can? More like MUST!
I feel like I've fallen into a Catholic version of academia. I'm watching this discussion and am flabbergasted at the title of the video. It's like everything is literal and there's no concept of politics at all, or who Trump is as a person.
The "all or nothing" attitude is what turns people from church teachings. It's true that there are ideals to uphold, but it's foolish to think human beings are ideal. If you live in the real world, you work with real sinners. A Catholic who doesn't vote is casting a vote for evil anyway.
or that Trump doesn't exist in a Checks and Balances and Federalism system.
Yeah as long as he "supports" banning abortion then everything else he does is fine.
It’s clear that the people are hungry for an ethical leader . If someone steps up like that He or she will lead strongly
We won’t find an ethical leader on earth, as people pick and choose the ethics that get them votes and ignore the others, just like their supporters. We will likely have a Christo-fascist state. And many atrocities will be church approved just as they were approved in the OT. “The road to hell…”
Getting things done on a pragmatic level is far better than laying down the gauntlet when the majority of the citizens are not there yet. In order to be effective part of that is meeting people where the are.
Trump got us further along in the anti abortion movement than any other politician in the last 50 years. And this was the start of it, not the end. People should keep this in mind.
Dr Imam is not a politician and in my view is giving bad advice here. Laying down the gauntlet to be “right” but can’t get anything done is also an issue of pride.
While I wish the country was there having this back to a state rights issue gives Catholics room now to further defend the anti abortion positions and persuade people to our side.
I think it's very critical that, on the issue of abortion, we approach Trump for what he is rather than what we want him to be. His work stops at Dobbs v. Jackson. I think he has made that clear. He is not a pro-life hero - he is more like a pre-Civil War Abraham Lincoln (to use slavery as an analogy) who just wants to "contain" abortion. Maybe sometime down the road he could go through a change like Lincoln did, but I sort of doubt it. That's why, in the primary election, I supported more pro-life candidates that committed to more progress on the issue, like Tim Scott, Mike Pence, and even Ron Desantis.
However, even Trump's stance is better than Biden's. Whereas Trump wants to just keep things the way they're at, Biden wants to erase all our progress. Trump is not the future of the pro-life movement, but sadly, he is its present. If he can hold the line for the next four years, then maybe in 2028 we can get someone who will ban this profound evil once and for all.
Leaving it to the states actually limited it more than before. The other side actually supports abbortion itself.
Donald Trump has played a very good role in the USA and humanity, same as Deborah Lee Clark ... I really feel sympathy and empathy for our country.
low income people are suffering survive.God bless Deborah Lee Clark for her advice. Imagine investing $30,000 and receiving $105,460 after 28 days of trading.
As an investing enthusiast, I often wonder how top-level investors are able to become millionaires off investing.. I've been sitting on over $545K equity from a home sale, and I'm not sure where to go from here. Is it a good time to buy into stocks, or do I wait for another opportunity?
I began investing in stocks earlier this year, and it is the best choice I've ever made. My portfolio is rounding up to almost a million and I have realized that when a stock makes it to the news, chances are you're quite late to the party, the idea is to get in early on blue chips before it becomes public. There are lots of life changing opportunities in the market and maximize it.
Can I also do it??? My life is facing lots of
challenges lately
What opportunities are there in the market, and how do l profit from it?
You can make a lot of money from the
market regardless of whether it strengthens or crashes. The key is to be well positioned.
At a watchmen meeting I attended the speaker talked about the topic of politics and said to either have an all-or-nothing mindset, or pick someone to maximize your morality.
Ummm could we all pray for a Catholic pope and an American president who loves America?
Hi Matt,
At 2:06 you mentioned that “early miscarriage care” is a disgusting way to phrase this sort of drug. In reality this is one instance in which it is exactly used as described. The drug is used to abort a fetus in a lot of cases. But also in the case of miscarriages like with my wife and my first child. She had a miscarriage but could not deliver our child, she had to take mifepristone to deliver our son after he died in her womb.
I understand and support your concern for the preserving the lives and wellbeing of unborn children, but miscarriages do happen, and unfortunately they are relatively common. This drug is useful in preventing further complications in young women who experience incomplete miscarriages. Please take this into account when you are considering this issue.
I think if Matt knew this he wouldn’t have actually said what he said. He didn’t even know how to pronounce either of the drugs, so clearly he doesn’t know that that can have a use.
It’s challenging when our society uses all sorts of euphemism rather than just calling a spade a spade. Glad you are bringing awareness to this, and doing so in a gentle way.
Sorry for your loss but this is not the primary use of the drug and it is not what the issue of their use is about. When abortion drugs are couched the way they are in media the intent is clear. There is zero acknowledgement of the babies being killed. This is why the media deserve ridicule.
@@emouselOregonI understand your point. I live in Oregon too and I am well aware of the use of mifepristone to induce abortions, particularly in our state. I am just pointing out that there is more nuance than most people who talk about this issue are willing to acknowledge. We don’t make guns illegal because people misuse them, and we don’t make cars illegal because people can crash them into crowds. A drug which does have a legitimate use should not be made illegal on the basis of its capacity for misuse. We have learned through our failed war on drugs that prohibition does not solve the core issue and only serves to give power and money to those who would seek to profit off of illegal trade, while those who would have benefitted from a reasonable and licit use of the drug will no longer have access to it.
So….. with this clickbait video clip, you are saying “If you are catholic, you shouldn’t vote for either candidate“. How would that help the country? Please explain.
Because it would end the cycle of constantly being forced to pick between two evil candidates. Nor is the country the priority for Catholics. Jesus is and the bringing of the Kingdom of God.
@@MasterKeyMagic Yes, our priority as catholics is definitely Jesus Christ. Amen 🙏🏻 But no, all catholics not voting for either candidate would not “end the cycle of bad candidates”, that (unfortunately) is not a reasonable expectation. That’s why I challenge the point that this video is making.
@@tomlabooks3263 Use a higher level of consciousness. Coporating with evil has historically never led to its downfall. it just makes it harder for those fighting evil to win. You're thinking like a loyalist instead of a founding father
@@MasterKeyMagic “Master Key Magic”…. we disagree, and that’s cool.
@@tomlabooks3263 Whats there to disagree with? History has proven your claim wrong. Where would we be if the early Christians obeyed Roman laws and supported the emperors
I am so glad I found this discussion. I’m a FAITHFUL Catholic & when Trump was being interviewed and I heard him say he’s for abortion my heart sank to its core. This made my decision this election. I am not going to stand in front of my Judge the day I die with “well, ahhhhh”, I’m sorry Lord”. No thank you. Those voting for either one, both for Abortion, Don’t listen to the enemy, he wants Your SOULS. We’re only here in a blip of time compared to ETERNITY (which I can’t even fathom, (Gods mystery). So what about this country, it’s worldly. It will go to you know where. We can’t let this happen, committing MURDER of our so precious and innocent souls being massacred. And when this country starts turning in on itself, I know where I will be, in Peace because my eyes are on God, my creator, my Father who LOVES ME & YOU. We will suffer but it’ll all be worth it ✝️🙏❤️📿
Peter Sonski for president.
If abortion is your primary issue, then I don't see how this is even a question. Biden supports abortion until birth, and Trump's justices overturned Roe. For me, avoiding WWIII is the top issue, and once again, the choice is clear.
This comment section shows perfectly why the GOP does not care to serve pro life voters and felt very comfortable removing pro life from its platform today. They know that pro lifers will support them unconditionally no matter what, so they have no incentive to actually be pro life.
American Solidarity Party. Done.
Great conversation- interested to watch in full!
Thank you for posting this
They are attacking abortion from the wrong perspective. See, what people want is “sex without consequences” … which is not what God created sex for. It’s defined as a “gift” between two married people who are open to the possibility of life. God forbid, we talk about the fact that a woman would not have to contemplate abortion if she would respect the act as that defined as above… as opposed to a free for all. No one in politics will ever touch the meaning behind the act. My heart does go out to those that have miscarriages and need help. A miscarriage that needs medical intervention is not an abortion… it’s a medical problem that needs attention.
Thank you! The last few minutes were very important and helpful. We can and should let Trump know of our profound disappointment in his stand on abortion.
And criminalize alcohol, drugs, working on the sabbath, lying, adultery and adulterous thoughts, hatred, jealousy, selfish ambitions and hypocrisy. If we’re gonna commit and legislate morality, we gotta commit, otherwise we are just picking and choosing like the Pharisees of old, presenting ourselves as righteous while our hearts still harbor wickedness.
@@CMA418our laws are based on natural rights under the lens of Judeo-Christian values.
John Locke summarized the goal of our legal system well in his “Two Treaties of Government”….”no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.”
If you begin with the Catholic (which I’m not) premise that life begins at conception and consider that as a legal requirement defining life, then natural law as has been considered would necessitate that abortion cannot be tolerated as it does harm another person’s life.
Many of the other “legislating morality” issues you mentioned don’t directly harm life, health, liberty, or possessions of others, and creating laws thereby limiting them can be perceived as harming their liberty.
@@wookieecookiees1856 Historically speaking, Judeo-Christian values mean government from the top down as dictated by "God's representatives" and sets limits on the people. The constitution is designed to be from the bottom-up and sets limits on the government.
Can you really think of no instance where alcohol, drugs, lying, adultery, hatred, jealousy, selfish ambitions and hypocrisy do not harm the life, health, liberty and possessions of others? Not one?
Strictly speaking, life is present before conception as sperm and eggs are living organisms created by God with specific intentions. Eggs and sperm are the biological components that, when combined through fertilization, have the potential to develop into a human embryo and eventually a person. This potentiality is often emphasized as carrying moral weight and deserving of protection by religious types. Hence, in the United States, there were laws in the 19th and early 20th centuries that criminalized various forms of sexual behavior, including masturbation and oral sex as they go against "the natural law". Were all those Christians wrong?
Does the OT not give specific instructions on how to perform an abortion with the use of "bitter water"? Was that life not sacred to God?
Locke also said, ""The care of souls cannot belong to the civil magistrate, because his power consists only in outward force; but true and saving religion consists in the inward persuasion of the mind, without which nothing can be acceptable to God."
Seems to me that people have less of a desire to be righteous and more of a desire to *appear* righteous.
@@wookieecookiees1856 In Judaism, abortion is allowed, at least in cases of suspected adultery (the adultery test, see Numbers 5:11-28).. By life I think we all mean personhood. A slime mold is alive, and so is a cockroach, but neither of them have a human soul, and it is not a sin to kill a cockroach, unless you are a Jain.
He’s playing politics towards independents who might lean left on issues like abortion to win. I guarantee that if a bill comes across his desk to outlaw abortion entirely if he becomes president again that he would sign it and not veto it.
I'm voting for Peter Sonski, the candidate from the American Solidarity Party, a party that isn't stuck in the American two-party division of political positions, but fights for the truth and Christian values including being pro-life for the whole life. The US is trapped. If people only vote for who has the best chance of winning and never vote for who they really think is the best candidate, we'll always be held captive by the false political dichotomy, special interests, big money, and so on. We'll always be faced with the choice of the least offensive manure.
Secure border. Good economy. Conservative justices like the ones who overturned Roe. YUP.
I think you have to consider, regardless of the personal stance a person in power takes, what the most effective solution will be. In my opinion a secular government most accurately reflects the way God doesn't control our will, but gives us free will so that we may choose Him, thus creating a true bond. He wants us to want Him, not just need Him. I think because our pride is so great, that when government outlaws things, even things as abhorrent as abortion, it only strengthens the resolve some people have to have abortions because they think it's their right to do so. If we want our nation to be truly God-Like, it has to come from the free choices we make, not the ones we are forced by law to make.
You’re 100% correct, but this channel cares more about clickbait and views than actual common sense.
I can’t wait to watch entire interview!!!
People have to realize that President Trump was operating within the limits of the Constitution. The Constitution, unfortunately, is silent on abortion, so this is something left to the states to decide. While a constitutional amendment or legislation might be possible (but improbable) to end abortion, what is needed for the Supreme Court to decide in an almost unanimous decision that the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is to cover all people from conception.
Focusing on ethical requirements while neglecting political viability often results in losing everything. Dr. Rodrigo Guerra, El bien posible.
Voting for Trump
USA is a representative government. Pro life is a Republican platform, democrats are pro choice Trump was just explaining the decisions of scotus and that he respects their decisions. He was watering down a hot topic gotcha question.
Absolutely spot on!!
I believe Trump is pro life but needs to be elected, so he is taking a soft stance. We need Trump more than ever.
It’s so sad that we don’t have a presidential candidate willing to protect babies.
It is sad. But we do have a candidate who will allow us to protect babies at the state level. Every unborn child saved is a victory.
We have one, but he knows that he can do more good by taking that stance than attacking it full front
@@sanjivjhangiani3243True!
Are we to start legislating all morality? Or just the ones you’re comfortable with?
one of them got rid of Roe v Wade, and the other supports aboriton up to birth, AS A CATHOLIC. Not a question here...
well said!! thank you. great clip
Pro-Choice??? Just look at the Supreme Court justices he appointed. That alone saved so many souls.
Does it seem to anyone else like Matt is a little closed-minded about Trump?
I chaulk it up to his being from Australia.
DEITY DON is just an idolized politician,
@@rickfilmmaker3934 and so is Biden and most politicians. Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Obama, Bernie, etc. Trump is loved by many people as was Obama. No difference.
No one answered the question.
Either vote for him and accept the positive things that he does have to offer, or don't vote at all and receive nothing. The choice is pretty clear. To demand perfection will get you nowhere.
Remember folks, we don't vote to demonstrate our personal beliefs. We vote to advance our interests.
Which if you are Catholic, is to put the poor first.
@@MasterKeyMagic According to the USCCB, outlawing legal abortion is the "preeminent priority."
@@BrewMeister27 According to their boss, Pope Francis, helping the poor, ending poverty, saving the environment and ending capitalism is.
The 86-year-old Argentine acknowledged his point, saying there was “a very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” in the U.S. church, which he called “backward.” He warned that such an attitude leads to a climate of closure, which was erroneous.
“Doing this, you lose the true tradition and you turn to ideologies to have support. In other words, ideologies replace faith,” he said.
“The vision of the doctrine of the church as a monolith is wrong,” he added. “When you go backward, you make something closed off, disconnected from the roots of the church,” which then has devastating effects on morality.
“I want to remind these people that backwardness is useless, and they must understand that there’s a correct evolution in the understanding of questions of faith and morals,” that allows for doctrine to progress and consolidate over time.
Francis has previously acknowledged the criticism directed at him from some U.S. conservatives, once quipping that it was an “honor” to be attacked by Americans.
@@BrewMeister27 Their boss Pope Francis says its fighting poverty, stopping capitalism and protecting the environment from capitalists and consumers.
@@MasterKeyMagic _citation_ _required_
It’s not terribly complicated. Trump has been proactive on the life position. He attended the March for life and appointed Catholic justices who overturned Roe v Wade. It is sad that he may fail to continue being proactive, but this makes his sin one of negligence.
Biden however will encourage, promote and protect abortion. He has continuously supported pro death legislation at the federal level.
The choice is perhaps uninspiring but it is a choice between failure to keep doing more against advancing and protecting pro death policy.
Is anyone seriously asking this?
Yes they can. He is the most pro-life candidate. I'm with Father Pavone. He comes with an administration that has members that are more prolife than he is and will influence his policies. Also to not vote for him, is to give pro-aborts a much greater chance at making abortion a federal law through congress and the senate. Be disappointed in his possition, let him know about it but NOT through the vote unless you wish to be hoisted on your own patard.
"If you don't vote for Trump, then you ain't bla.... Catholic"
I agree wi th the overall concept of this clip. However, I think the conversation is including too many “media talking points” that are thrown out as ad hominem attacks. No one who is serious holds Trump as a “god.”
I have been disappointed with some of his statements, but I also see how much progress has been made under his leadership. Has he been pro-life his whole life? I don’t know for sure. He certainly loves kids and his family. I do think he flip flops a lot on the limitations and gestational limits.
He always clearly states he wants life to succeed and does not want anyone to have an abortion out of convenience.
Agree! State your intentions clearly
Without fear
I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately that’s what you have to do in a general election.
I get the principle for some people to abstain, but I don't think it's responsible to make it a single-issue decision and let the vote land where it may all based on that.
Really think about that - if Trump and Biden are so close on this particular issue, consider all the others they differ on. Vote based on that instead unless you want to give Biden and all that comes with his presidency a better chance of winning here.
Good advice.
Even if you're a one-issue voter the obvious choice is Trump. If you're not then it's even more obvious.
I’m so confused. I thought Trump was against abortion.
God please help🙏🏻
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Dr. Imam!
gosh, you need help.
This comment section really shows so many people are Republicans first, Christians second.
Please explain this statement.
@@melmerk12 they’ll make so many excuses to vote for a man who just endorsed abortion, because they are party loyalists.
@folofus4815 Trump endorsed abortion??? I missed something, I thought RoevWade was sent back to the states to decide.
@@melmerk12 it was, and afterwards Trump has attacked state level abortion bans like the one in Florida, and last week he specifically endorsed the abortion pill. Today, at Trump’s command, the GOP removed their position in support of banning abortion from their platform, as well as their commitment to traditional marriage.
@@folofus4815 What I see is a willingness to ignore multiple mortal sins in a candidate and in fact prefer that candidate, because that candidate claims to be "pro-life" (even if he is in fact rather wishy-washy about it).
Catholic here who voted for Trump both times and will vote for him again 2024!
Yes, they are running for president not pope. He has to be president for all people.
I agree with you totally Dr Jacob Imam.
If you isolate abortion as a single issue then there isn't as much difference as you may think between Trump and Biden. Interet that that you say that Roe v Wade's overturning was no big deal and you're right in terms of number of abortions actually carried out.
Thing is, there are many more important issues that directly affect Catholics where the GOP are clearly superior: DEI, religious liberty, freedom to raise our children as we see fit, rule of law (the deliberate strategy of letting criminals out of jail and making our cities unliveable), DEI, deprivation of the working man of a living wage by mass immigration, DEI, active promotion of the Woke Mind Virus etc.
Leftist Christians have long warned against a myopic focus on abortion, and on this one point-- I agree.
The economy is a huge issue too. Telling poor people to stay poor for diversity. Ignoring inflation. Taxing us blind. Giving preferential treatment to corporations and banks. Courting Satanic celebrities who mock us. Making up reasons to go to war. The list goes on and on!
You're basically a Chicken voting for the KFC. Hispanic voting for the Orange? 🤣🤣
I will of course be voting for Donald Trump. If this trend continues though, and the Republican position essentially becomes Democrats 2008 position then I really don’t see why they’re worth voting for. If we’re a nation that’s just ok with genocide of our unborn children we don’t deserve to continue.
The majority of your fellow citizens are already there. We are not a country of moral people, only of subjective morality.
Trump's response and the Supreme Court's recent ruling are not judgments on the morality of abortion, nor whether it should be legal or not, but are in regard to the Constitutional limits of Federal power.
Article X of the Constitution says that all powers not enumerated to the Federal government belong to the States. This is why it is a States' issue. Also, Roe v. Wade was struck down because it had been improperly decided on the supposed basis that the Constitution guarantees abortion rights, as an extension of a supposed right to privacy... neither of which exist in the Constitution.
How is it that sinners should have a right to judge sinners?
@@CMA418 So your solution is to be silent to avoid being “judgmental”? Abortion is murder, if we can’t fight for that, then we’ve lost.
@@mmouseav8r402 I would refer you to the teachings of Jesus on the matter of judging others, though it seems that's not a popular thing to do in Christian circles.
Am I missing something?? Both Trump and Biden stink 🤢🤮
Is Matt Fradd a lefty?
He’s from Australia, so probably.
As a Catholic, I would crawl over glass to vote for Trump again. When Trump was president I made $8 less than I make now, yet I could afford to live on my own, pay off my car, save money and fly to Japan to visit my brother. With Biden, I'm having to budget every penny to make sure I'm not destroying my savings.
Don't talk stupid. He raised our debt higher than any previous president. Biden has created more jobs, the economy is still the result of Covid. Trump wants to be a dictator and take all our freedom away. Besides, he is an idiot. He talks about nothing but himself and whines like a two year old.
To be fair, our economic downturn began during Trump’s presidency, and the United States economy is currently doing better than any other developed nation in the world.
I’m not trying to argue against your political perspective, just trying to point out that our present economic woes are due to bigger factors than who is in the White House.
@@russbus1967 🤪😂😂
What type of question is this? If we don’t vote for Trump, what are we voting for??! Think about it.
If Mr Trump is not accepted. We are in critical times. For a reason, he received the statue of our Lady of Fatima and in some weeks ago, he received the Saint Michael, the Archangel statue. The day July 13, a Priest talked to him and bless him. God has a purpose for him. A country under God. Men serving God. ⛪️🇺🇸❤️⛪️
The RNC removed its pro life plank from the party platform. I’m out and never looking back
How can Catholics NOT vote for Trump? Weird.
Easy he allowed 33,000 business to close from Covid without due process and no government help to these business. He has spent more money than all the presidents combined to date. He is a vengeful person and only cares about being on the “winning g side”. Vote RFK 2024!!
The only definitely Catholic position that Trump could further is the pro-life movement, which is obviously a primary consideration.
But the Democratic Party has, historically, been the home for most Catholic voters due to their dedication to workers’ rights, healthcare, education, etc.
Because he’s a wannabe dictator?
@@Jennifer-h5fWe need a real Christ obedient Dictator who’s Crowned by the Pope.
@russbus1967 keep up with the times, Democrats abandoned the working class long ago.
The responsibility of protecting the child's life is solely with the "mother".
If the government makes murder legal, it's up to the individual's moral and religious steadfastness to reject it. The government or any other entity should NEVER have the ability to sway your values.
Adultery is a good example. It is legal but it is a mortal sin.
I think your discussion misses the fact that the president is NOT the law maker -- that's up to Congress. And his only real power wrt abortion is the nomination of justices to the Supreme Court. Donald Trump managed to tilt the court in the direction pro-lifers have been desiring for *decades*.
The work of restoring a respect for life is at ground-level. It's going to take *persuading* people (voters), which is the responsibility of each one of us (subsidiarity). Returning the issue to the states facilitates that effort. This is no time for pro-lifers to relax and give up the effort to fight the neo-pagan Left (Demoncrats) just because the opposing candidate's moral theology is imperfect.
Donald Trump is a deeply flawed man, but he seems to be moving in the right direction, and, by the grace of God, might do the same for the country. Let us pray. And vote.
Catholics can vote for which ever candidate they want.
Then you don't get catholicism.
The church dictates what you believe, not you yourself.
@@georgwagner937 You are wrong.
I’m not a Trump fan at all. Never been to a rally or anything like that. I will vote for him because he has better policies, judge appointments, economic growth, and international relations and security. No wars under Trump. He disappoints me on life issues but last time he got us to overturning Roe v. Wade. He’s the only choice I have and I will vote that way.
Hmm, wasn't clear what their conclusion was. Is there a canadate out there pro life? To me boils down who best overall run the country
I was so disappointed in Trumps statements and have been for years. He told 2022 candidates to say the politically expedient things about abortion. That said he is way lesser of the 2 evils and I will be voting for him in November
These drugs are used for actual miscarriages, too. Missed miscarriages and retained tissue are very real and life threatening issues that can be treated with these drugs. It's unfortunate that this usage is being completely dismissed. This is exactly why women are hesitant to trust the pro life side even when they oppose abortion.
A baby that has died in the womb is not needing an abortion. She needs a d and c if it was early enough in gestation. A deceased baby in the womb needs to be removed for the mother's health. Some states are preventing this calling it abortion.