Hi Sam, please don't get this confused with the Lima 92. Both Lima and Hornby released the 92 at the same time and when Hornby bought Lima their 92 was not re released, the Hornby version prevailed. The Lima version had a detail pack including brake pipes Horns and roof details. Also you had a choice of tension lock or a buffer beam skirt in the kit. It didn't have lights but it has 2 better pantographs. If you wish to do a video comparing the 2. I would be happy to loan you my Lima 92 for you to review and compare just get in touch with me.
Very interesting. I didn't know there were two separate models. I have one of each, and the Lima body is nicer but the Hornby underframe is more correct, though lacking sand pipes which are actually on the Lima model. As I write this, the Accurascale model is out, but there are reports of motor failures and unreliability, so what does one do? A re-wheeled and re-motored Lima seems a good choice to me.
Hey Sam. Ever thought of reviewing an Auscision Models product? They're an Australian company that make very detailed locomotives and I would recommend.
Very nice models had a few in my time ended up selling my L class and definitely big regrets there only issue is shipping on top of auscisions updated prices the t class is around $334aud the shipping would be quite expensive from here to England. Powerline and austrains are other good mentions along with Southern rail models.
A review I jumped on as soon as I saw it. The 92 is definitely my favourite electric and potentially my favourite loco full stop. Watching this brought home just how much the 00 world needs the Accurascale version, there is no way this loco should be represented in 00 by this toy! £100 was dubious until I saw the insides / mechanism, then it is awful! Back in 1995 when Lima did their normal trick of getting the model out almost before the real thing, it’s fine. Now it’s a car boot find with a slightly updated livery! That might sound harsh but I do love the real thing and all three of my N gauge versions are special. Great review as always though.
Oh awesome! And yes the Accurascale one is badly needed. 1995 was a different story - I'm sure this would've been awesome then... but now, you'd expect better unless you're a beginner or a kid ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
lol - IIRC Len Vass in Railway Modeller would try and create a model of a new locomotive as soon as people knew what it would look like. At the time I loved his class 60 he built out of plasticard. (slightly off topic)
It’s worth mentioning that Accurascale are tooling up for a Class 92. In fact 92023 Ravell is available to preorder at Rails of Sheffield for £189. Whilst I appreciate that’s double the price of this Hornby release of Limas old tooling; it’s probably twice the locomotive too. If you can’t justify the Accurascale; buy the old Lima or Hornby re-release second hand. But to fork out £92 for this - poor value for money. I feel Hornby is guilty of ripping off the customer with less than premium money to spend with this locomotive. Thank you once again Sam, for spending the money so I don’t have to!!
Ah yes I remember Hornbys overhead pick up system. As time went on I think they moved away from that since there isn't really anything that can pick up overhead these days. I'm pretty sure earlier versions of this Class 92 in the main range (as well as a few other electric locos) would have had Metal Pantographs when that system was more popular, though the trainset versions only had plastic pantographs if I remember right. However it's still shocking they write that when they don't pay any mind to that system now when nothing they have in recent memory is designed for it. It does look surprisingly decent after all this time. Would be interesting to see what it looks like versus the Accurascale Class 92. I imagine the Accurascale Class 92 would be superior overall but still impressive. Though one old Hornby model that really does surprise me after all this time is their original HST 125 models . The newer HSTs are better in performance and looks but surprisingly the original HST still holds out rather well in looks; especially if someone opted to add more detail.
That's a good point - you hardly see that any more do you? Cool idea actually, pity that's not much of an option these days! It is shocking... I mean it's a piece of paper... how difficult would it have been to just write a set of instructions for this loco?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm actually genuinely curious if Hornbys old 92 could get power overhead. Can't remember if it did or not. Hornby's old Class 90 definitely could get power overhead at one time. I think that was also true for the old 86 and the class 91 (Intercity 225); in the latter's case at least in the early days, doubt any re-releases of the old model in newer liveries would. Of course overtime Hornby has been known to modify tooling and features. Having looked at a recent video; one distinctive feature of this old system was a switch on top of the locos to change power modes.
Hi Sam, what an odd model! I recall seeing these around Clapham Jn in the 90s. Usually sneaking along under my train on a freight. As to your odd one out, has to be either the class 66 or the 73 which is of course diesel or electric :)
Thanks Mike - glad to hear you've had some first hand experience of the real thing! And well spotted - it was indeed the 66 :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Really looking forward to a comparison video between this and the Accurascale Class 92 - also I'd really like to see you compare the new tooled Hornby HAA MGR coal hoppers with the newly released Accurascale ones - they are priced very similarly with the Hornby ones being the slightly more expensive so really interested to see how they stack up next to each other!! Thanks Sam 👍🏻
All I can say is Class 66 flashbacks 😅 I mean yes the there are lights which is a big bonus but good god the weight superglued and wire management looks like something I would improvise as a non professional modeler definitely not a "professional" manufacturer. Quite disappointed especially considering it's in the railway range. Also your sarcastic jokes made my day quite nice to watch when I was eating my noodles alongside. Although it's a pretty meh loco it's still a great review, Sam 👍
I think that with the soon arrival of Accurascale's super detail class 92, the only way that Hornby can make this profitable is to try and compete with them or relegate it to the railroad range. I dont think that Hornby sould compete as it is clear that Accurascale have put alot of effort into there new model and it would be cruel to take that away from them. P.S. Great an useful vid :)
Yes, I can see what Hornby are up to... another Hattons Genesis situation yet again. "Let's pump out a pile of rubbish before the other manufacturer issues their state of thr art super detailed unit so we can profit on the moment." The dickheads at Hornby are just a bunch of profit driven douchebags. I'm sure the Accurascale units will embarrass Hornby yet again.
Yeah definitely - I expect we'll see this in the Railroad range or maybe just retired altogether once Accurascale release theirs! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The picture on the box is probably the prototype and hope for the future. I agree with you about the traction tires, but it's no Lima and although Lima did issue one, so did Hornby which wasn't as good and was $100 even back then, so the same price for the same exact model. Hornby is the UK's version of the US company Lionel and although I know both produced quality products in the past, neither one is a good purchase anymore because both have lost sight of their stated goal of delivering the best quality for the least money.
For £65 I think it's really good vslue for what it is. For £100 I also think it's ok TBH. Not amazing but certainly not a rip off either. I'd be happy with it at either price. Actually makes a change to see a new Hornby loco at an affordable price point that's acceptable. It looked to improve the crawl a bit too, give it more use maybe more. Add some weathering and could be a lot more convincing. Certainly passes the 2FT rule IMO. Good vid.
Hahaha... oh dear oh dear mukka... that instruction sheet is for a class 90 NOT a class 92. Can't they do anything right except raise their prices!? For the record... neither the class 92 or the class 90 has a diesel engine fitted! That deception with the photo of the loco on the box differing to the actual loco must be breaching the advertising standards. Might need looking into by the relevant authorities. Thanks for the review chum. I actually possess a few of the Lima produced units which are great. I won't buy Hornby branded versions. I cannot unsee the black pus! Hehehe... Funny. Stay safe. Regards from Oz. Gaz
Hello Sam I suggest you sit down before reading this comment. Heljan are re releasing the Tango. I am sorry if I have ruined the rest of your evening/day/morning/life/afternoon/week. I am sorry.
Hi Sam I've still got one from lima and there is not many difference the winder wipers are new and the electric rail detal is new but and a big BUT mine as more lights and buffer beam detail and metal pantograph
So pleased I have a Lima one. Interestingly, an SNCF one in grey and blue. I think the side grills are actually better executed. It has metal pantographs. Only draw back, it's got the Lima noise.
I have been considering a Hornby 92 for a long time now, but since the announcement & first painted samples of the Accurascale ones I can say for sure where my money is going to go instead! Also, the shade of blue used is totally wrong, compare it to a real life photo and it's way darker and has more of a slight green tinge to it.
haha I can't blame you there - I expect I'll try one of those too! You're not the first to say that about the blue either... could be right! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I have a Bachman hall class hogwarts express and the hole thing is made out of metal and the tender as well and you can get one from the Bradford exchange
As has already been said in the comments, this was never a Lima model, this one is Hornby through and through, however Lima did release their own 92. Would be good to compare the two though.
Great Video, A very fair review. I have this loco and runs relatively well in one direction after a week one end stopped working and so i'm left with a faulty loco.
I picked one up in GBrf livery from Hattons for £59 and will look to add some more details. It should be a Railroad range item . I also have an Accurascale 92 on order. Cheers Kev
The Hornby class 92 was always a shocking model. The Lima model was far superior which explains why the Hornby 92 was such a poor seller upon release & cited by Bachmann why they wouldn’t make a ac electric loco for year. Hornby should have seen sense when Lima announced the 92 & pulled out & made a intermodal flat instead. Then Hornby bought Lima & for some strange reason the Lima tooling got destroyed at the expense of keep persisting with that thing. 🤦♀️.
Thank you for sharing, think I will wait for the Accurascale 92. Cannot understand how Hornby can produce the class 50 and 60 (no traction tyres, all wheel drive) yet still continuing to market and sell locos like this. This should be Railroad along with the 66 at best
Not a bad loco for the money, it's a real shame that Hornby got the colour completely wrong, though, but that's a reoccurring issue with them of late. Have you seen the latest Clans? Not sure what green it is, but it's not BR dark loco green that's for sure!
Great video! I'm so glad you did this review, I was close to buying this for £110 from a local shop, I'm glad I didn't now. Can you please do a review of the Hornby class 800s, such as the one in the LNER livery? For £500 I want to know I'm going to be getting good value for money 😬
I saw one of these in person a few months ago in this livery and from what I remember, the colour of the livery is inaccurate. I remember it being a much darker blue
Ahh interesting - yes it does look much darker blue in some photos, but not others I suppose if you saw it in person, you're in the best position to judge it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It’s cool to see some decent priced locos but cmon hornby. Marklin had electric locos with working pans and slightly better detailing back in the 70 and 80’s. Would be nice to see hornby do the same with there locos instead of ripping off there customers
Looks like Hornby took the Class 90 instruction sheet and just changed the title and got it completely wrong with describing the loco as a diesel electric. The Class 90 has a working metal pantograph. This Class 92 should definitely should be in the Railroad range. Great video Sam 👍
Do not Scale is correct. I'm an engineering draughtsman by trade. The drawing image is to a scale on the box (i.e a true representation), we just don't know what scale. Because the image is small, it's not considered good engineering practice to place a rule across a feature, then using the few outline dimensions present as a scaling factor, work out the accurate size of said undimensioned feature. The method is ok though for a good estimate of actual size.
NO; just not worth it, even that price. I have 30 years old locos that are way better, not to mention even my cheaper eclectic locos has (at least) metal pantographs (and I have some old Piko and Jouef locos from the 80's and 70's).
I fear we are witnessing the death of Hornby, their pricing and retailer strategy seem to be the actions of a company desperate to try and squeeze cash out of its product line in the short term at expense of the future, that must be because they are facing some serious immediate financial challenges. Whilst in 2021 they posted a profit after many years of losses, one wonders if that is sustainable and all we are witnessing is a period of profitability before returning to losses as their sales drop off.
Probably but remember they own stakes other brands that sell in the UK and Europe. So their business's will probably survive or if it gets worse someone may buy them out, just hope it isn't Mattel.
Hi sam I have the gbrf version this paid 60 euros which is around fifty pounds happy enough with it cheap and cheerful definitely not worth 100 pounds great review 👍
Goodness me, I remember my dad buying a couple of these back in the 90s. He bought one from Beatties in Manchester, accidentally scraping his car in the car park afterwards. So this review has really taken me back! Nice to know I can get one 25 years later 😆
Decent review there Sam I think this is your first review of an AC electric from the UK, I personally have an accurascale one on pre order at the moment and while it has features on it that I won’t be able to use due to still being a dc user i can personally live without those for now and im sure one day I will try dcc.
It's not ex-lima, it's Hornby's own model updated. Because both Lima and Hornby made the 92s (they also both announced the 90s, but lima's never appeared). I have the margate 3-pole ringfield 92 in triple grey on my layout, it runs ok but of course it is noisy and the pickups are relatively poor and there are no tail lights and the light bleed from the forward lights acts as a cab light too. I don't think the lima ones had lights at all, but I could be wrong (the lima 67s had them, after all) because I don't have one yet (I'd love an EWS one). I've got accurascale's 92010 on order, although none of the mk5 packs to go with it (one pack of mk5as was enough for my wallet). That instruction booklet is a mess. 92s are dual voltage 25kV AC overhead and 750V DC 3rd rail, but not diesel electric, and most certainly not a Bo-Bo class 90 as per the diagrams inside the booklet. Not surprised about its performance at all. We shouldn't have to say "at least it isn't more expensive than it is".
Sam, have you ever thought of reviewing a Hornby Dublo train set? No particular one but it would be cool to see you review an old train set Keep up the good work Best regard, Calen
@Sam’sTrains After watching many videos on model locomotive reviews and tons of research, I think, as a hobbyist, what-if paint schemes should be present in Hornby model locomotive products. It brings a different feeling when it is painted in a different livery. I imagine the Hornby Class 92 will have an InterCity Swallow livery in the future.
Yeah sure - I don't mind the what ifs either - and Hornby have started doing it - some of their Hush Hush liveries are fictional, as are some of their Railroad locos' liveries! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
in short, it's a toy that shall not be sold over an RRP of GBP 50. Anything else is unacceptable. Yes, Sommerfeldt metal pantographs are not budget ones and the drivetrain is a joke, that is why I put the pricetag harshly down. Even as a toy, Hornby could have made the minimalistic and cheap effort to put directional lights. That costs pennies, and greatly increase the interest you can have on this engine. I have recently bought two other products from the Hornby group : a Rivarossi italian shunting engine and an Arnold N scame French DMU, they are far better in every point, including quality/price ratio. What the beep are they doing to their UK customers ? I have ZERO problems, like the ones with UK models, with all the continental range I had bought from them ! Basic models are acceptable, but at a basic price. For an RRP of GBP 100, metal pantograph, directional lights, real drivetrain, far better finish and details, including srpung buffers, are mandatory. So, don't buy over GBP 50, my advice.
After the class 66, I’m just going to not trust Hornby with cheap prices anymore since that’s now 2 models that are Railroad quality yet are in the main range.
Having a different loco on the box as you mentioned is to me false advertising. Edit: You said that these locos were built from 1996, yet the model is 1995.
I think Hornby's branding is a complete mess. Their models seem to fall into four basic categories: 1) Railroad (models for beginners and those on a budget); 2) Stuff that falls between 'Railroad' and 'Main range' (most of the design-clever stuff would go here, as would Railroad models with upgraded decoration); 3) Main range; 4) Premium models (like the all die-cast Dublo limited editions). But, at the moment, these ranges aren't differentiated very clearly, and there's no cohesiveness in any of the branding. #1 has the 'Railroad' branding, and #2 has 'Railroad Plus' - but that only applies to the Railroad models with upgraded decoration (and the 'Railroad Plus' branding looks nothing like the 'Railroad' branding). And then you have models like this one and the Class 66, that are blatantly placed in the wrong range. Perhaps they'll make more money there in the short term - but in the long run, practices like this are just going to confuse customers (especially newcomers, who most need the help that these separate ranges provide). I hope they sort this out, because they're not helping themselves - or their customers...
If this model had no lights it would be a carbon copy of Hornby's class 66,a railroad loco in a railways box. Not bad for the price you paid. I purchased a Lima class 92 sometime ago and enjoyed fitting the roof parts which came in a large pack of extras. The pantographs are much more realistic and are made of metal.
Please to using that dreadful American superlative 'awesome.' It is tacky, lazy and very unprofessional. Try Superb, Wonderful, Excellent, et al but no more usage of that lazy, lazy. word. It has been done to death! Thanks
For the price you paid for this Class 92 is a bargain, but otherwise it should be in the Railroad range for its simplicity and lack of proper detail. Whoever researched this model for releasing has done a bad job of matching the notes in the paperwork that came with it. It isn't a Bo-Bo, it hasn't got a working panto via the roof switch and that is poor misleading information about the actual product. How can Simon Kohler sign off on these things before launch? Like you said too about the photo used on the box, it is misleading as well. I think it could fall under the Miss Information Act due to the incorrect manual notes and pictures used. To me this looks like Hornby are throwing out any old, tooled models, whacking in a DCC board and over charging for them at the £100+ for a load of cheap tat under the main range badge.
No single ended drive Electric locos for me. Thanks for buying Sam so I don't have to. Did you actually check the flange depth as they actually look like Lima Wheels which had deeper flanges?
Not a bad model. Do you think Hornby thought the lights made it better than Railroad? At £65 it was a bargain. At £103 it is rather marginal. I do wish Hornby would stop scoring own goals with you. I hope they get through this phase and come out the other side. I fear someone is trying to recoup the losses of recent years but they could "capsize the precarious ship".
Still running old Lima locos out of choice but Hornby still selling them as new!? Having working for companies with large product catalogues, I know that vague instruction sheets, cheap finishes will not be an accident. Someone will have pointed out in meetings the issues and been over-ruled.
Hey Sam can you do a really long train with ALL of your coaches and wagons and right at the front can you have your most expensive trains. Plz tell me what trains to get for my first ones because I'm just starting to build a Hornby/Bachmann railway, thnx
Following your review I bought a fairly recent but secondhand Class 92 on Ebay for £30 plus postage. The main issue is that its slow speed running (up to about half speed) is rather poor in one direction. It seems to hesitate once every revolution of something (probably not the motor but I am not sure). I am half-tempted to try to look at the gear wheels but that would involve trying not to break the vertical, sprung plastic V clip ( I assume one just squeezes it together but so far I have not succedded) and then going against your advice to open up partially the motor. Perhaps I will just enjoy its running at a 50% cruising speed?
Should have knocked of some points for those appalling excuses for pantographs no use to anyone. I have 3 lima ones and they all have metal pantographs and were far cheaper than this one. Better to buy a second hand lima one than this. . Yes I know its a different livery but still not worth the extra money. Not even that good a livery just blue with a simple logo. .
Looking at the box picture it seems like they drew/painted half the engine then just flipped it over to make one complete picture. A cheap and much quicker way to make a drawing of the engine.
I don’t think that anyone at Hornby has ever seen a Caledonian Sleeper 92, the colour isn’t even close to the real thing. The colour is closer to the British Steel blue from the class 60 than it is the Caledonian Sleeper 92.
haha very much so - besides the mechanical upgrades (which still don't bring it to modern standards) - it seems to be the same model as ever, with modern livery application! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Was that a class 86 bo bo in an intercity livery, i have one in a br blue livery called pheonex and its the first and only diesel i have but it runs terribly i bought it second hand and have not been able to get it to work properly do have any tips on how to treat it. Btw love your videos sam.
@@SamsTrains I think that's because most of us can see that Gladstone is actually pretty good. I think it would be a more fair comparison if you gave Gladstone a lower value for money, counting the time spent as a cost rather than a benefit, but even without the leg up from that, Gladstone really is on par with the low end of professional models, and any professional models that can even be fairly compared to someone's third (or was it fourth?) attempt at a homemade model are shamefully bad unless they are incredibly cheap.
Good and fair review, I agree a sloppy end product with clearly incorrect evaluation of its place in their product lines, incorrect packaging ( Hornby Railways Box), cover images, incorrect instructions etc, and definitely should be in Railroad range. However, any suggested comparison with the upcoming Accurascale model is like comparing chalk and cheese, on expected release the DCC ready version will be £189.99, only those with pre-orders will get the 'early bird' pre-Jan 2022 price. So on the current RRP that makes it almost 3 times what you paid and nearly double what Hornby's RRP for what is a Railroad (a basic model), and aside from the 'wrong' product category Hornby aren't trying to hide the fact it's an old model because as you pointed out its on the box. I am not a Hornby apologist, their price rises in comparison to others seems indefensible, but your great review of the recent 'upgrade' to the A1, even though not perfect, proves they are still capable of producing good models albeit not a new tooling. By the by, Auscision are great models, their HO scale models are sublime and prices competitive, their new 2022 release of a CLR Class diesel loco with DCC Loksound fitted, on pre-order, is $395 (GBP225). ...Drew
Thanks a lot Drew, yeah i agree. Yes of course the Accurascale 92 will be a completely different beast - but £189.99 is the price... they're still available to pre-order for that right now, and I've seen nothing to suggest they're increasing the price... so we're only talking around +£80-£90 on the Hornby... which I think sounds well worth it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a number of these and a couple of Accurascale 92s on order. The "Limby" 92's are simple, robust and easy to repair if necessary. I bet the Accuascale locos will have a lot of fragile detail but will overall be of a higher decorative quality. If they have a good mechanism they will be great but the cost difference is simply huge. So a "Limby" 92 may be a good choice for those on a budget and/or for those who like to work on improving their locos. I agree its a Railroad model at heart though the directional lights take it a step above.
Is it just me or are modellrailways from around DE/AT/CH much better than the ones in UK? Because in most reviews I watch from you I see something that is missing, that I take for granted on models here Like a close coupler and the guide for it, decent lights etc
Thanks Sam for reviewing an electric locomotive for a change. Please review more. Meanwhile, perhaps this unit could be improved somewhat if some weights were added.
Thanks Marv! Yeah sure, a little extra weight would be good, but that would add even more strain on the 2 driven axles/rubber tyres... probably would be fine though, at least for a time! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I don't know what Hornby/Humbrol/Airfix group is up to but they're raising prices ridiculously over their entire range. Airfix's avro vulcan saw a 20% price hike from announcement to now (£60 to £72.50)
Yes it's a pity - all owned by Hornby of course, so you can expect any price increases to be consistent across all their brands :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That shade of blue looks far too light. It looks like a sort of slightly darker shade of LNER garter blue if anything; the Caledonian Sleeper blue is much darker. Perhaps Hornby were confused by the mention of 'Caledonian' and pulled up a picture of Caley no 419, which is a rather similar shade
The odd one out is the class 66
Very well spotted! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains great vid btw
@@someonewholikescars3733 Darn you beat me, ill get it one of these days!
@@YourAverageRailwayFan I agree you get there to type it and somebody's beaten you to it :(
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Hi Sam, please don't get this confused with the Lima 92. Both Lima and Hornby released the 92 at the same time and when Hornby bought Lima their 92 was not re released, the Hornby version prevailed. The Lima version had a detail pack including brake pipes Horns and roof details. Also you had a choice of tension lock or a buffer beam skirt in the kit. It didn't have lights but it has 2 better pantographs. If you wish to do a video comparing the 2. I would be happy to loan you my Lima 92 for you to review and compare just get in touch with me.
Very interesting. I didn't know there were two separate models. I have one of each, and the Lima body is nicer but the Hornby underframe is more correct, though lacking sand pipes which are actually on the Lima model. As I write this, the Accurascale model is out, but there are reports of motor failures and unreliability, so what does one do? A re-wheeled and re-motored Lima seems a good choice to me.
@R S yes the Lima one has a lot going for it. Remotored would be even better
Hey Sam. Ever thought of reviewing an Auscision Models product? They're an Australian company that make very detailed locomotives and I would recommend.
I have heard of them - sure, I can try something of theirs some time! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I can lead u one if u want ?
Agreed. They make beautiful models.😎
Very nice models had a few in my time ended up selling my L class and definitely big regrets there only issue is shipping on top of auscisions updated prices the t class is around $334aud the shipping would be quite expensive from here to England. Powerline and austrains are other good mentions along with Southern rail models.
NSW GR version diesel 44 or traditional 48 class please
A review I jumped on as soon as I saw it. The 92 is definitely my favourite electric and potentially my favourite loco full stop.
Watching this brought home just how much the 00 world needs the Accurascale version, there is no way this loco should be represented in 00 by this toy!
£100 was dubious until I saw the insides / mechanism, then it is awful!
Back in 1995 when Lima did their normal trick of getting the model out almost before the real thing, it’s fine.
Now it’s a car boot find with a slightly updated livery!
That might sound harsh but I do love the real thing and all three of my N gauge versions are special.
Great review as always though.
Oh awesome! And yes the Accurascale one is badly needed. 1995 was a different story - I'm sure this would've been awesome then... but now, you'd expect better unless you're a beginner or a kid ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
lol - IIRC Len Vass in Railway Modeller would try and create a model of a new locomotive as soon as people knew what it would look like. At the time I loved his class 60 he built out of plasticard. (slightly off topic)
It’s worth mentioning that Accurascale are tooling up for a Class 92. In fact 92023 Ravell is available to preorder at Rails of Sheffield for £189. Whilst I appreciate that’s double the price of this Hornby release of Limas old tooling; it’s probably twice the locomotive too. If you can’t justify the Accurascale; buy the old Lima or Hornby re-release second hand. But to fork out £92 for this - poor value for money. I feel Hornby is guilty of ripping off the customer with less than premium money to spend with this locomotive. Thank you once again Sam, for spending the money so I don’t have to!!
Ah yes I remember Hornbys overhead pick up system. As time went on I think they moved away from that since there isn't really anything that can pick up overhead these days. I'm pretty sure earlier versions of this Class 92 in the main range (as well as a few other electric locos) would have had Metal Pantographs when that system was more popular, though the trainset versions only had plastic pantographs if I remember right. However it's still shocking they write that when they don't pay any mind to that system now when nothing they have in recent memory is designed for it. It does look surprisingly decent after all this time. Would be interesting to see what it looks like versus the Accurascale Class 92. I imagine the Accurascale Class 92 would be superior overall but still impressive. Though one old Hornby model that really does surprise me after all this time is their original HST 125 models . The newer HSTs are better in performance and looks but surprisingly the original HST still holds out rather well in looks; especially if someone opted to add more detail.
That's a good point - you hardly see that any more do you? Cool idea actually, pity that's not much of an option these days! It is shocking... I mean it's a piece of paper... how difficult would it have been to just write a set of instructions for this loco?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm actually genuinely curious if Hornbys old 92 could get power overhead. Can't remember if it did or not. Hornby's old Class 90 definitely could get power overhead at one time. I think that was also true for the old 86 and the class 91 (Intercity 225); in the latter's case at least in the early days, doubt any re-releases of the old model in newer liveries would. Of course overtime Hornby has been known to modify tooling and features. Having looked at a recent video; one distinctive feature of this old system was a switch on top of the locos to change power modes.
Hi Sam, what an odd model! I recall seeing these around Clapham Jn in the 90s. Usually sneaking along under my train on a freight. As to your odd one out, has to be either the class 66 or the 73 which is of course diesel or electric :)
Thanks Mike - glad to hear you've had some first hand experience of the real thing! And well spotted - it was indeed the 66 :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Really looking forward to a comparison video between this and the Accurascale Class 92 - also I'd really like to see you compare the new tooled Hornby HAA MGR coal hoppers with the newly released Accurascale ones - they are priced very similarly with the Hornby ones being the slightly more expensive so really interested to see how they stack up next to each other!! Thanks Sam 👍🏻
All I can say is Class 66 flashbacks 😅 I mean yes the there are lights which is a big bonus but good god the weight superglued and wire management looks like something I would improvise as a non professional modeler definitely not a "professional" manufacturer. Quite disappointed especially considering it's in the railway range. Also your sarcastic jokes made my day quite nice to watch when I was eating my noodles alongside. Although it's a pretty meh loco it's still a great review, Sam 👍
Next thing you know they'll be going back to putting motors back into the tenders of steam locos
Nice review thanks.
I have this loco and for the money im more than happy with it.
Good evening Sam's train even as I thought for the reviewed is the class 066 literally you had anything the models railway good job buddy!!
I think that with the soon arrival of Accurascale's super detail class 92, the only way that Hornby can make this profitable is to try and compete with them or relegate it to the railroad range. I dont think that Hornby sould compete as it is clear that Accurascale have put alot of effort into there new model and it would be cruel to take that away from them. P.S. Great an useful vid :)
Yes, I can see what Hornby are up to... another Hattons Genesis situation yet again. "Let's pump out a pile of rubbish before the other manufacturer issues their state of thr art super detailed unit so we can profit on the moment." The dickheads at Hornby are just a bunch of profit driven douchebags. I'm sure the Accurascale units will embarrass Hornby yet again.
Yeah definitely - I expect we'll see this in the Railroad range or maybe just retired altogether once Accurascale release theirs!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The picture on the box is probably the prototype and hope for the future. I agree with you about the traction tires, but it's no Lima and although Lima did issue one, so did Hornby which wasn't as good and was $100 even back then, so the same price for the same exact model. Hornby is the UK's version of the US company Lionel and although I know both produced quality products in the past, neither one is a good purchase anymore because both have lost sight of their stated goal of delivering the best quality for the least money.
For £65 I think it's really good vslue for what it is. For £100 I also think it's ok TBH. Not amazing but certainly not a rip off either.
I'd be happy with it at either price. Actually makes a change to see a new Hornby loco at an affordable price point that's acceptable. It looked to improve the crawl a bit too, give it more use maybe more. Add some weathering and could be a lot more convincing. Certainly passes the 2FT rule IMO.
Good vid.
Yeah that's true - value for money not really a problem with this one - happy for what I paid!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hahaha... oh dear oh dear mukka... that instruction sheet is for a class 90 NOT a class 92. Can't they do anything right except raise their prices!?
For the record... neither the class 92 or the class 90 has a diesel engine fitted!
That deception with the photo of the loco on the box differing to the actual loco must be breaching the advertising standards. Might need looking into by the relevant authorities.
Thanks for the review chum. I actually possess a few of the Lima produced units which are great. I won't buy Hornby branded versions.
I cannot unsee the black pus! Hehehe... Funny.
Stay safe. Regards from Oz. Gaz
Hello Sam I suggest you sit down before reading this comment.
Heljan are re releasing the Tango. I am sorry if I have ruined the rest of your evening/day/morning/life/afternoon/week. I am sorry.
Hi Sam I've still got one from lima and there is not many difference the winder wipers are new and the electric rail detal is new but and a big BUT mine as more lights and buffer beam detail and metal pantograph
So pleased I have a Lima one. Interestingly, an SNCF one in grey and blue. I think the side grills are actually better executed. It has metal pantographs. Only draw back, it's got the Lima noise.
Your better off with the Lima model until the Accurascale version comes along. Keep the Lima pancake motor oiled and it will sound less noisy
Yeah I've heard the Lima one was slightly better too - they certainly were better than Hornby in their day!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have been considering a Hornby 92 for a long time now, but since the announcement & first painted samples of the Accurascale ones I can say for sure where my money is going to go instead!
Also, the shade of blue used is totally wrong, compare it to a real life photo and it's way darker and has more of a slight green tinge to it.
haha I can't blame you there - I expect I'll try one of those too! You're not the first to say that about the blue either... could be right!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I have a Bachman hall class hogwarts express and the hole thing is made out of metal and the tender as well and you can get one from the Bradford exchange
As has already been said in the comments, this was never a Lima model, this one is Hornby through and through, however Lima did release their own 92. Would be good to compare the two though.
HOW WAS I SO QUICK THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST COMMENT
You were very fast!! :D
Great Video, A very fair review. I have this loco and runs relatively well in one direction after a week one end stopped working and so i'm left with a faulty loco.
Thank you! Ahh that's a pity - did you buy it new? If so, you're entitled to return it for a full refund/replacement!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I picked one up in GBrf livery from Hattons for £59 and will look to add some more details. It should be a Railroad range item . I also have an Accurascale 92 on order.
Cheers Kev
The Hornby class 92 was always a shocking model. The Lima model was far superior which explains why the Hornby 92 was such a poor seller upon release & cited by Bachmann why they wouldn’t make a ac electric loco for year.
Hornby should have seen sense when Lima announced the 92 & pulled out & made a intermodal flat instead. Then Hornby bought Lima & for some strange reason the Lima tooling got destroyed at the expense of keep persisting with that thing. 🤦♀️.
Thank you for sharing, think I will wait for the Accurascale 92.
Cannot understand how Hornby can produce the class 50 and 60 (no traction tyres, all wheel drive) yet still continuing to market and sell locos like this. This should be Railroad along with the 66 at best
Not a bad loco for the money, it's a real shame that Hornby got the colour completely wrong, though, but that's a reoccurring issue with them of late. Have you seen the latest Clans? Not sure what green it is, but it's not BR dark loco green that's for sure!
Great video! I'm so glad you did this review, I was close to buying this for £110 from a local shop, I'm glad I didn't now. Can you please do a review of the Hornby class 800s, such as the one in the LNER livery? For £500 I want to know I'm going to be getting good value for money 😬
EuviRail has done one, go give it a watch 👍
I saw one of these in person a few months ago in this livery and from what I remember, the colour of the livery is inaccurate. I remember it being a much darker blue
Ahh interesting - yes it does look much darker blue in some photos, but not others I suppose if you saw it in person, you're in the best position to judge it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was just gonna say, that blue looks WAY too light, pretty sure it should be darker and with a bit more a greeny hue...
It’s cool to see some decent priced locos but cmon hornby. Marklin had electric locos with working pans and slightly better detailing back in the 70 and 80’s. Would be nice to see hornby do the same with there locos instead of ripping off there customers
Looks like Hornby took the Class 90 instruction sheet and just changed the title and got it completely wrong with describing the loco as a diesel electric. The Class 90 has a working metal pantograph. This Class 92 should definitely should be in the Railroad range. Great video Sam 👍
Definitely Railroad for me, and did you notice on the back (right lower) it says "Do not scale"? Surely this should be "Not to scale".
Do not Scale is correct. I'm an engineering draughtsman by trade. The drawing image is to a scale on the box (i.e a true representation), we just don't know what scale. Because the image is small, it's not considered good engineering practice to place a rule across a feature, then using the few outline dimensions present as a scaling factor, work out the accurate size of said undimensioned feature. The method is ok though for a good estimate of actual size.
I would agree that this is really a Rail Road locomotive.
'Railroad'! was it my imagination or could I hear a Jaws Harp twanging in the up close and personal section?
NO; just not worth it, even that price. I have 30 years old locos that are way better, not to mention even my cheaper eclectic locos has (at least) metal pantographs (and I have some old Piko and Jouef locos from the 80's and 70's).
I fear we are witnessing the death of Hornby, their pricing and retailer strategy seem to be the actions of a company desperate to try and squeeze cash out of its product line in the short term at expense of the future, that must be because they are facing some serious immediate financial challenges. Whilst in 2021 they posted a profit after many years of losses, one wonders if that is sustainable and all we are witnessing is a period of profitability before returning to losses as their sales drop off.
Probably but remember they own stakes other brands that sell in the UK and Europe. So their business's will probably survive or if it gets worse someone may buy them out, just hope it isn't Mattel.
These Hornby locomotives are why Acurascale, Dapol, Realtrack and Revoltion trains exist. Hot glue in a £100 locomotive! What is wrong with hornby
it looks to me like the same stuff you use to seal windows
Hi sam I have the gbrf version this paid 60 euros which is around fifty pounds happy enough with it cheap and cheerful definitely not worth 100 pounds great review 👍
Goodness me, I remember my dad buying a couple of these back in the 90s. He bought one from Beatties in Manchester, accidentally scraping his car in the car park afterwards. So this review has really taken me back! Nice to know I can get one 25 years later 😆
Decent review there Sam I think this is your first review of an AC electric from the UK, I personally have an accurascale one on pre order at the moment and while it has features on it that I won’t be able to use due to still being a dc user i can personally live without those for now and im sure one day I will try dcc.
Thanks a lot David! I think the Accurascale will knock the socks off this model... but only time will tell!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's not ex-lima, it's Hornby's own model updated. Because both Lima and Hornby made the 92s (they also both announced the 90s, but lima's never appeared).
I have the margate 3-pole ringfield 92 in triple grey on my layout, it runs ok but of course it is noisy and the pickups are relatively poor and there are no tail lights and the light bleed from the forward lights acts as a cab light too. I don't think the lima ones had lights at all, but I could be wrong (the lima 67s had them, after all) because I don't have one yet (I'd love an EWS one).
I've got accurascale's 92010 on order, although none of the mk5 packs to go with it (one pack of mk5as was enough for my wallet).
That instruction booklet is a mess. 92s are dual voltage 25kV AC overhead and 750V DC 3rd rail, but not diesel electric, and most certainly not a Bo-Bo class 90 as per the diagrams inside the booklet. Not surprised about its performance at all.
We shouldn't have to say "at least it isn't more expensive than it is".
Lovely Video Lord Warwell!
And also thank you for inspiring me to try my hand in TH-cam!
haha no problem at all! How is it going? Will check out your videos !:D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains It’s going quite well
Sam, have you ever thought of reviewing a Hornby Dublo train set? No particular one but it would be cool to see you review an old train set
Keep up the good work
Best regard, Calen
I haven't actually - I did cover all of the Wrenn locos, but that was as close as I've ever got!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would dock another star for the wire management shown at 17:55. Absolutely unmaintainable. Also, the soldering looks like it was done by an amateur.
„Soldering looks like it was done by an amateur“. A Lima heritage since 1970.😀
@Sam’sTrains After watching many videos on model locomotive reviews and tons of research, I think, as a hobbyist, what-if paint schemes should be present in Hornby model locomotive products. It brings a different feeling when it is painted in a different livery. I imagine the Hornby Class 92 will have an InterCity Swallow livery in the future.
Yeah sure - I don't mind the what ifs either - and Hornby have started doing it - some of their Hush Hush liveries are fictional, as are some of their Railroad locos' liveries! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
in short, it's a toy that shall not be sold over an RRP of GBP 50. Anything else is unacceptable. Yes, Sommerfeldt metal pantographs are not budget ones and the drivetrain is a joke, that is why I put the pricetag harshly down.
Even as a toy, Hornby could have made the minimalistic and cheap effort to put directional lights. That costs pennies, and greatly increase the interest you can have on this engine.
I have recently bought two other products from the Hornby group : a Rivarossi italian shunting engine and an Arnold N scame French DMU, they are far better in every point, including quality/price ratio. What the beep are they doing to their UK customers ? I have ZERO problems, like the ones with UK models, with all the continental range I had bought from them !
Basic models are acceptable, but at a basic price. For an RRP of GBP 100, metal pantograph, directional lights, real drivetrain, far better finish and details, including srpung buffers, are mandatory.
So, don't buy over GBP 50, my advice.
After the class 66, I’m just going to not trust Hornby with cheap prices anymore since that’s now 2 models that are Railroad quality yet are in the main range.
Having a different loco on the box as you mentioned is to me false advertising.
Edit: You said that these locos were built from 1996, yet the model is 1995.
I think Hornby's branding is a complete mess.
Their models seem to fall into four basic categories:
1) Railroad (models for beginners and those on a budget);
2) Stuff that falls between 'Railroad' and 'Main range' (most of the design-clever stuff would go here, as would Railroad models with upgraded decoration);
3) Main range;
4) Premium models (like the all die-cast Dublo limited editions).
But, at the moment, these ranges aren't differentiated very clearly, and there's no cohesiveness in any of the branding. #1 has the 'Railroad' branding, and #2 has 'Railroad Plus' - but that only applies to the Railroad models with upgraded decoration (and the 'Railroad Plus' branding looks nothing like the 'Railroad' branding). And then you have models like this one and the Class 66, that are blatantly placed in the wrong range. Perhaps they'll make more money there in the short term - but in the long run, practices like this are just going to confuse customers (especially newcomers, who most need the help that these separate ranges provide).
I hope they sort this out, because they're not helping themselves - or their customers...
the thing that bugs me the most is the colour is off the real things a dark teal colour ive seen a few before
Have you ever tried the class 87 from Hornby? I think that one is quite good.
Thanks for the video, Sam. The instructions look like the ones for the class 90. It's is pretty slapdash isn't it?
If this model had no lights it would be a carbon copy of Hornby's class 66,a railroad loco in a railways box. Not bad for the price you paid. I purchased a Lima class 92 sometime ago and enjoyed fitting the roof parts which came in a large pack of extras. The pantographs are much more realistic and are made of metal.
Where are the sleeper carriages to go with it
Please to using that dreadful American superlative 'awesome.' It is tacky, lazy and very unprofessional. Try Superb, Wonderful, Excellent, et al but no more usage of that lazy, lazy. word. It has been done to death! Thanks
For the price you paid for this Class 92 is a bargain, but otherwise it should be in the Railroad range for its simplicity and lack of proper detail. Whoever researched this model for releasing has done a bad job of matching the notes in the paperwork that came with it. It isn't a Bo-Bo, it hasn't got a working panto via the roof switch and that is poor misleading information about the actual product. How can Simon Kohler sign off on these things before launch? Like you said too about the photo used on the box, it is misleading as well. I think it could fall under the Miss Information Act due to the incorrect manual notes and pictures used. To me this looks like Hornby are throwing out any old, tooled models, whacking in a DCC board and over charging for them at the £100+ for a load of cheap tat under the main range badge.
No single ended drive Electric locos for me.
Thanks for buying Sam so I don't have to.
Did you actually check the flange depth as they actually look like Lima Wheels which had deeper flanges?
Not a bad model. Do you think Hornby thought the lights made it better than Railroad? At £65 it was a bargain. At £103 it is rather marginal. I do wish Hornby would stop scoring own goals with you. I hope they get through this phase and come out the other side. I fear someone is trying to recoup the losses of recent years but they could "capsize the precarious ship".
No rear lights?
Sorry this vid. is in the wrong place: Couldn't find the diesel vid, Hope it's of interest.
GWR Railcar No. 22. (YT.)
Short answer: Hell no, it doesn’t!
I got a DB liveried one of these, with DCC fitted, for £50 off ebay a little while ago!
haha very much so! But still, £50 is very good indeed! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Still running old Lima locos out of choice but Hornby still selling them as new!? Having working for companies with large product catalogues, I know that vague instruction sheets, cheap finishes will not be an accident. Someone will have pointed out in meetings the issues and been over-ruled.
Hey Sam can you do a really long train with ALL of your coaches and wagons and right at the front can you have your most expensive trains.
Plz tell me what trains to get for my first ones because I'm just starting to build a Hornby/Bachmann railway, thnx
haha that'd be awesome, but impossible... I don't have nearly enough track to do that, haha! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains OK thanks anyway
A "lima" class 92 can be bought on ebay for £50 or there abouts. Exactly the same except the lights. Another "horny" rip off!!!!
Following your review I bought a fairly recent but secondhand Class 92 on Ebay for £30 plus postage. The main issue is that its slow speed running (up to about half speed) is rather poor in one direction. It seems to hesitate once every revolution of something (probably not the motor but I am not sure). I am half-tempted to try to look at the gear wheels but that would involve trying not to break the vertical, sprung plastic V clip ( I assume one just squeezes it together but so far I have not succedded) and then going against your advice to open up partially the motor. Perhaps I will just enjoy its running at a 50% cruising speed?
Should have knocked of some points for those appalling excuses for pantographs no use to anyone. I have 3 lima ones and they all have metal pantographs and were far cheaper than this one. Better to buy a second hand lima one than this. . Yes I know its a different livery but still not worth the extra money. Not even that good a livery just blue with a simple logo. .
Looking at the box picture it seems like they drew/painted half the engine then just flipped it over to make one complete picture. A cheap and much quicker way to make a drawing of the engine.
I don’t think that anyone at Hornby has ever seen a Caledonian Sleeper 92, the colour isn’t even close to the real thing. The colour is closer to the British Steel blue from the class 60 than it is the Caledonian Sleeper 92.
I had one, loved it. Was stolen from me though sadly...
Tell Hornby not to send them Downunder the ACCC will eat them for breakfast resulting in $$$ for not supplying as shown.
Simon Kohler told me I’m not buying a toy and it’s for keeps. This model is a toy and I’m not keeping it lol 😂
I brought the class 92 when Hornby first brought them out and watching your review nothing seems to have changed, no major upgrades to the model etc..
haha very much so - besides the mechanical upgrades (which still don't bring it to modern standards) - it seems to be the same model as ever, with modern livery application!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
First
Well done!! :D
For £60 it's just about acceptable but for over £100 Hornby are just taking the pee.😳😳🙄🙄
Was that a class 86 bo bo in an intercity livery, i have one in a br blue livery called pheonex and its the first and only diesel i have but it runs terribly i bought it second hand and have not been able to get it to work properly do have any tips on how to treat it. Btw love your videos sam.
Why do power rating , 10 coaches is a long train which one never sees very often , even DUFF locos can pull this amount .
Has anyone noticed Hornby pre order release on Hornby for most new models due to be released 2022 now saying 2023
i been on the caledonian sleeper before back in April, and accurascale is releasing the caledonian sleeper MK5s
I love having your Gladstone in the rankings, it lets us laugh at outdated or badly designed locos that manage to score worse than it.
haha I know! It's like a sly little insult isn't it? Surprised I haven't received more flak for that actually ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I think that's because most of us can see that Gladstone is actually pretty good. I think it would be a more fair comparison if you gave Gladstone a lower value for money, counting the time spent as a cost rather than a benefit, but even without the leg up from that, Gladstone really is on par with the low end of professional models, and any professional models that can even be fairly compared to someone's third (or was it fourth?) attempt at a homemade model are shamefully bad unless they are incredibly cheap.
I've not heard it called "white lubricant before"
... That isn't quite true, I do watch AvE
Good and fair review, I agree a sloppy end product with clearly incorrect evaluation of its place in their product lines, incorrect packaging ( Hornby Railways Box), cover images, incorrect instructions etc, and definitely should be in Railroad range. However, any suggested comparison with the upcoming Accurascale model is like comparing chalk and cheese, on expected release the DCC ready version will be £189.99, only those with pre-orders will get the 'early bird' pre-Jan 2022 price. So on the current RRP that makes it almost 3 times what you paid and nearly double what Hornby's RRP for what is a Railroad (a basic model), and aside from the 'wrong' product category Hornby aren't trying to hide the fact it's an old model because as you pointed out its on the box. I am not a Hornby apologist, their price rises in comparison to others seems indefensible, but your great review of the recent 'upgrade' to the A1, even though not perfect, proves they are still capable of producing good models albeit not a new tooling. By the by, Auscision are great models, their HO scale models are sublime and prices competitive, their new 2022 release of a CLR Class diesel loco with DCC Loksound fitted, on pre-order, is $395 (GBP225). ...Drew
Thanks a lot Drew, yeah i agree. Yes of course the Accurascale 92 will be a completely different beast - but £189.99 is the price... they're still available to pre-order for that right now, and I've seen nothing to suggest they're increasing the price... so we're only talking around +£80-£90 on the Hornby... which I think sounds well worth it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Are you sure this is the correct packaged Loco? It wasn't swapped out with another or a cheaper type and that's why you paid a bargain?
Like an extra probably $2 add on part to fill the gap on that unpowered bogie would probably help on the look but why would Hornby want to do that
I have a number of these and a couple of Accurascale 92s on order. The "Limby" 92's are simple, robust and easy to repair if necessary. I bet the Accuascale locos will have a lot of fragile detail but will overall be of a higher decorative quality. If they have a good mechanism they will be great but the cost difference is simply huge. So a "Limby" 92 may be a good choice for those on a budget and/or for those who like to work on improving their locos. I agree its a Railroad model at heart though the directional lights take it a step above.
Does the fact that the bogus bogie has conducting strips fitted to each of the 6 wheels mean that the installation of a motor would be possible?
Is it just me or are modellrailways from around DE/AT/CH much better than the ones in UK?
Because in most reviews I watch from you I see something that is missing, that I take for granted on models here
Like a close coupler and the guide for it, decent lights etc
I had the DB Schenker livery version of this which was a decent model but I recently sold it as I’m planning to get the new Accurascale version.
Ahh fantastic - probably a wise upgrade - fingers crossed it's good! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Oh it should be. I saw the painted samples at the London Festival of Railway Modelling and they looked amazing!
I run dcc and I placed a bachmann chip into it and it don't move till speed step 22 on the nce power cab controller is that to do with the mechanism?
First lol, also i think its more of a railroad thing
Ooh almost! I'd agree with that too
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A nice simple train
Decent looking and a decent runner
I'd prefer a different livery but still nice
Thanks Sam for reviewing an electric locomotive for a change. Please review more. Meanwhile, perhaps this unit could be improved somewhat if some weights were added.
Thanks Marv! Yeah sure, a little extra weight would be good, but that would add even more strain on the 2 driven axles/rubber tyres... probably would be fine though, at least for a time!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
First and btw I love reviews lol I get to see all the details
Well done - and awesome, really glad you like them! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hornby for yerrrr not adding enough REALNESS detail to the loco
If this is Caledonian sleeper then it would have to be diesel electric because the lines on the Highlands routes are not electric.
If you think about it, there is no odd one out as they are all technically electric locomotives, even the steam outline locos!
Which locomotive should I buy for my birthday,Steam Locomotive or diesel locomotives
Like a scalextric... nope a collectors scalextric car would not have lights so badly fitted.
Since when we’re 92’s diesal electric
I don't know what Hornby/Humbrol/Airfix group is up to but they're raising prices ridiculously over their entire range. Airfix's avro vulcan saw a 20% price hike from announcement to now (£60 to £72.50)
Yes it's a pity - all owned by Hornby of course, so you can expect any price increases to be consistent across all their brands :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That shade of blue looks far too light. It looks like a sort of slightly darker shade of LNER garter blue if anything; the Caledonian Sleeper blue is much darker. Perhaps Hornby were confused by the mention of 'Caledonian' and pulled up a picture of Caley no 419, which is a rather similar shade