LAST JEDI REVIEW - Movie Podcast
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Oh boy! It's finally here and we wanna talk about it! Jon Risinger stops by to help us break down Star Wars: The Last Jedi! We'll talk about what we liked, what we hated, and our appreciation for the franchise in general. Also, stick around for a very special sci-fi edition of Funhaus Presents: BudHaus: Best Buds Bud Watch!
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Also how the FUCK is Ackbar still an admiral after thirty years????? He should be god tier.
Kagera80 - he shoulda fuckin' retired, I'm sure the Rebellion has some sort of pension, funded by the Organa's left over wealth
I hope the Organa's had some off world bank account or that money is gone. Seriously though they beat the Empire in Return of the Jedi and in 30 years they didn't make any real headway in changing the universe opinion away from them. The Star Wars universe really likes its fascism.
He was a rebel. If he "retired" he would have been chased/charged as a war criminal under the First Order. You gotta remember the First Order is like the gestapo of the universe. Keyword Rebellion
Kagera80 what's above admiral? Admiral General?
All the different races age at different speed i.e. Chewie and Yoda.
I really wanted a grey Jedi thing to happen between Kylo and Rey. It made sense considering the trajectory of the saga as a whole (prequels the dark side rises, OT the light side rises, this one could have been in the middle as a way to sort of prevent future conflict). It would have added a more profound way of philosophical thinking that I think audiences would have loved. The best part of Star Wars has always been its underlying teachings about humanity and mythology that audiences connect with instinctively. This film kind of lacked any coherent mythological teaching IMO.
But the trilogy isn't done yet? Perhaps this film just laid the foundations for the whole 'balance' 'grey jedi' thing.That narrative could become clearer after Ep 9?
Patrick B No. The best part about Star Wars, or at least the main reasons it's so popular, are the sights and sounds. I don't think people walked out of Empire Strikes Back in 1980 thinking about the film's underlying teachings about humanity. Rather they were thinking about how cool the light sabre duel between Luke and Darth was.
My thinking is that people don't consciously think about things like that, although they do notice it on a subconscious level. Most people are really bad at explaining why they like things and yes, will default to, "I liked the action and the visuals were awesome." as opposed to telling grandpa about the deep emotional conflicts that resonate with many people in the movie. Not to say the visuals and sound aren't HUGE in Star Wars - they are one of the best things about it. But people don't notice as easily the mythological basis underlying the storytelling although that is exactly the thing which keeps them interested in the plot, despite the often shitty dialogue.
And Jake Deasy, sure, they have time to include what I want, which is why I'll watch the last film, but personally I haven't found much else to like about this trilogy in particular so far which is why I wanted the grey jedi now.
100%
I'm so glad James pointed out the scene shortly after Snoke's death where you see him laying there with the goofiest look on his face. I was almost willing to accept his death even if it felt sudden and wasted but that following scene really shat all over what little we knew of Snoke so far.
James always has the most poignant points in these. Not to say the others don't have great commentary, but goddamn does James just cut to the heart of it all every time. His comment that Star Wars is now just a genre--boom. He right
kujo8079 Agreed
he is soooo wrong about Rogue One though, of course you care about Gin and her getting into the rebellion, when you've just seen her orphaned as a 6 year old because of the Empire. But then again i see Rogue One as maybe 4th maybe even the 3rd best star wars movie.
@@Stegibbon nope i agree with him for rogue one too
@@1spidog have you read the list of people that care?
@@Stegibbon I could say the same thing about your dumbass fucking hypocrite
For Adams point regarding Kylos plea to Rey at the end asking her to join him;
The way I interpreted it was that when Kylo disavowed literally everything and asked Rey to join him, it wasn’t to rule the galaxy. He didn’t explicitly say that. He says that they’ll learn together but they must destroy everything in order to do so. To me, this means that he wants to forge his own destiny and wanted Rey to do it too; he was tired of having the light side and the dark side in Luke and Snoke having total control of his destiny that he’s so desperate for some semblance of control over himself.
He was asking for her to be one familiar thing that he can latch onto, and together they can destroy all that is familiar. That was the moment when I realized he might actually be in love with her (aside from the intense sexual tension in that elevator)
Edward Irra reylo, I am all for that theory
Edward Irra Except he did explicitly say that they would rule together. If he said what you said it would have been great, but he didn't
Reylo is nonsense and would destroy both Rey and Kylo as characters
Everyone is complaining anout Admiral Akbar, and I think I know why. There was a PERFECTLY suited role for him in this film as a replacement for Laura Dern's character. Nobody actually cares about Akbar, but he could have been cleverly utilized instead of forcing in Laura Dern's character
Yeah but I think they could do it was that the actor how played Akbar died before filming .
Could you fucking imagine the outrage if they had ackbars goofy practical effect mask screaming as he hyperjumped into the dreadnaught lmao star wars has always been a little goofy which people always love to forget (like how there was a decent amount of people pissed at ewoks) but that would've absolutely thrown this over the edge of just what the fuck, it would be too ridiculous which is hard to accomplish in the world of star wars. Practical yoda was a great nod but even that was a little jarring at first.
Apparently that was going to be his role in early scripts, but they decided to shy away from a character literally named "Ackbar" suicide bombing.
but only if he shouts "ADMIRAL ACKBAR" while suiciding into the enemy ship
Caleb Fletcher... the fact that you use the term "gender role reversal" says a lot more about you then it does about The Last Jedi. I'm not even sure what the hell it is supposed to mean in this context. Who has been replaced by the opposite sex in Star Wars? Or do you mean that Rey is the Luke character and is female... the horror! Or did you want to say something about "shoving in characters that tend to be female or minority (sometimes both!) into movies for diversity sake without any substance"? No... that would have actually had a point.
I felt myself mirroring Adam's every facial expression as he listened to everyone else talk.
Same here... Adam knows the stuff.
Uh oh, this aged poorly
I think this is the best movie podcast yet. Every one is arguing about points witch I love not like the other ones where you all agree on one side and James did amazing job telling us strong and weak points in the movie.
Regardless of the flaws, Luke's lightsaber broke so that means Rey has to build another which makes me excited to maybe see another double bladed saber like Maul since Rey likes staffs
_ Hans _ is that an accidental sex joke?
This won't happen
I rather see a lightsaber pike
the moment when they revert to copying the original trilogy and she finds Luke's green lightsaber instead.
I never asked for this geez, who shat in your cereal?!
Adam and James are culturally refined gentlemen and I respect their thought out opinions greatly
because i didn't like the movie and i like it when people vindicate my feelings
Lawrence including!
Nothing is wrong about not liking the movie, it's when people don't like it for nitpicky reasons like why do the bombs fall down in space? Like really, you're complaining about space physics in Star Wars?
lilbrother21 It's even more annoying because: 1. Bombs were magnetic 2. In the vacuum they had enough momentum to fall directly on the surface 3. TIE bombers in previous movies did the same thing and nobodycomplained
@@Solaxe In episode 5 they were shot in the last jedi they were dropped
@@lilbrother21 It's an odd thing to put in the movie, I get they're trying to draw allegory to WW2 strategic bombing but it doesn't really make sense. You don't strategically bomb a ship. However it's far from movie-breaking because yeah "Star Wars physics" is just whatever anyway. The movie is a total disaster for many other reasons.
Elyse makes the point that the message was that freedom and agency are important as is hard work. But Rey's character is literally antithetical to that idea as she's barely worked for anything and yet she's apparently insanely powerful and already knows and understands the Jedi teachings with a rubber stamp approval from Yoda.
This is a late reply but she hasn't worked for anything? She had to survive on her own from the age of like 6 on a hostile and horrendous planet for several years. She had to work to survive and to eat.
I enjoy B L E A C H. She really hasn’t though, she clearly was given to the guy who gave her food in her flashbacks. She works for him and gets food for currency. Her just living on a planet with slight abilities to use a staff is not good enough for her strength in the force or her skills with a lightsaber. The problem with Rey is she just hasn’t earned what she has, and the story bends to her even if it defies all logic. It happens several times between the current two films.
@@thesovietdrugdealer.7166 Clearly not super hostile and dangerous as far as star wars goes, its just another star wars desert planet. Its hardy living and shes independent and can take care of herself and stuff from thugs and stuffbut that doesnt automatically make her worthy of being a near full powered jedi by the second movie lol. And like the other guy said, she wasnt on her own lol, she was a planet locked scavenger, millions of people do that in star wars lol. She barely goes through any personal challenges before the final movie. Her parents being worthless (at this point anyway) was mostly a throwaway line that doesnt do anything to really discourage her.
That's why they made her a Palpatine, so they could fill in the blanks of why she's inexplicably so powerful and doesn't struggle with anything. This also completely destroys Elyse's one positive element of her character, so that's unfortunate lol.
The one thing you all noticed but don't want to admit is that this movie tries to have it all and ends up having nothing. It couldn't decide what it wanted to be. It tried to shed a layer of old (dead) Star Wars snake skin and underneath it was just new but same looking skin. And to top it of it kills off what shouldn't have been shed(Luke and the force).
And no one wants to say it: the movie confirms Rey is a Mary Sue. It's carrying that label proudly at this point.
No one mentioned BB8's amazing ability to control a walker
probs hacked it like most robots do in all star wars movies ever made.
Yeah, Astromechs in Star Wars can do all kinds of crazy shit with their weird spinny hacks.
And he turned into a giant while driving it too.
He's the true "Hack God" not Lawrence. lol
In a rough draft of the script, the side plot with the casino followed poe and finn , but the director felt their dynamic was "boring".
Because they weren't charming and had great chemistry in the last film or anything.
michael scotto insert frumpy Asian girl who has the physique of a late teen who lays in her bed browsing tumblr all day and night
that's some mudda bullshit 😤 rose is the most unnecessary character of 2017
really says a lot about him as a writer
Subliminal Messages right, if you can't get the scene or dialogue to work, its not the characters, its the fucking writing. Improve from there and you won't have to insert an entirely new token character. The dialogue still doesn't make a lot of sense considering finns backstory.
Because OF COURSE Luke would consider killing Han and Lei's son in his sleep. Yup, nailed the character 100% Rian.
the fact is it never even should have gotten to that point. The idea that Luke would even CONSIDER for a split second to kill a defenseless pupil is so Out of character it deserves outrage. the Original Series Luke believed Darth Vader could be redeemed and he was established as a bad person. Now youre saying Luke just drops all of that to think of killing someone that MIGHT Turn bad ( you can debate that he immediately decided not to but thats still turning on a LIGHTSABRE against someone you are planning to Kill, Its like pointing a loaded gun at someone then deciding not to shoot them. Doesnt matter how long it lasted thats not something any normal person would do)?..
If Holdo had told Poe the plan to leave to the old rebel base in cloaked pods, then would Finn and Rose had gone on their mission to Canto Bight and gotten captured to reveal the cloaked pods?
I get Holdo was trying to keep Poe in check but Poe was regarded as the best fighter pilot in the galaxy, he just helped coordinate an attack on the Star destroyer, surely Holdo would be able to trust him with the plan to avoid him going on another reckless outburst like he does at the beginning of TLJ with the bombers.
I’m not trying to defend the subplot between Poe and Holdo, but I did think of a few counter arguments to support why Holdo wouldn’t tell Poe her plans.
In the same scene where Poe leads the attack on the Dreadnought (and loses a lot of bombers, too), it’s established that as long as Poe thinks he’s doing what’s best for the Resistance, he’ll ignore orders even from Princess Leia herself. Holdo has no reason to believe that Poe would behave himself even if she revealed her plans to him. He could still say “No, you’re wrong,” and do his own thing. I know that ultimately once he finds out what the plan was he agrees, but there was no guarantee that he would.
Holdo also had no idea how the First Order was tracking their ships through light speed. Only Finn and Rose speculated (without any real proof) that a device was being used to track them, but it could’ve been a mole on the ship. Perhaps Poe is trustworthy, but can Holdo take that chance (on top of trusting him to follow her plan even if he disagrees with the plan)? What about the other people who are also on the bridge with them? This possibility is why in the military, there is a policy called “need to know,” and for Poe to do his job, he didn’t need to know.
Finally, Poe further demonstrates his boneheadedness by jumping to conclusions when he sees that the transport ships are siphoning fuel from the cruiser. He doesn’t ask why, he just assumes Holdo is making a mistake and throws a tantrum, something that is out of line in a military command structure.
Ben Schrader i thought Holdo knew? Leia mentions that they knew that they were being tracked, they were just buying time to get to Crait.
Yeah they knew they were being tracked, the question though was "how?" Though considering the plan was to escape to Crait on smaller cloaked transport ships that the First Order wouldn't be scanning for, I don't think Holdo cared how they were being tracked, either. That information didn't pertain to the success of Holdo's plan.
Bottom line for me is that Poe, based on his brash and half-cocked attitude, was never in a position to be questioning his superior officer, nor was Holdo beholden to either logic or rules to reveal her plans to her subordinates; it's the nature of a military command structure. That doesn't make the subplot any less contrived for a movie, but at the present time, I don't believe simply telling Poe the plan would have been any gaurantee of preventing a half-baked Canto Bight mission or an attempted mutiny.
The only thing is that everyone knows that Poe is a hothead that will defy his superiors in order to do what he believes is right/correct. Why not put him in the brig or something? Did Holdo really not think that Poe would do something drastic whether it be a mutiny or go and create his own plan to save the ship, if so that's asinine. If Holdo had revealed the plan to Poe and the entire crew, and they would had accepted it because it's somewhat sound in the terms of Star Wars, the entire movie wouldn't be a thing and everyone would be on the world. I understand the subplot is to teach Poe a lesson so he isn't a hothead and learns the chain of command blah blah blah, but still.
BOSK+ Holdo was also holding a bit of a grudge against Po since those bombers he got destroyed were under her command. If anything, both were at fault for the mutiny.
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I know right? I can't believe it took this long to get Space Buddies
Space Buddies? Me too!
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Hard work?? Rey never works hard. She just becomes a Jedi cause the force just gives it to her. Luke may have inherited the force from his father but he still had to work to gain his skills.
Luke is able to use the force pretty easily in A New Hope, his only training was Obi-Wan telling him to "stretch out with your feelings". Then he blocks lasers while blinded.
oontgrad *And months of formation with Yoda...
More like days. Luke's training with Yoda all happens in Empire Strikes Back, right? That's a couple days of training at most, not that it matters because he was using the force before the Jedi training. Hazevamp27 said "She just becomes a Jedi cause the force just gives it to her." But that's what the force is. You are born with it, like Luke and Anakin were.
oontgrad To become a Jedi, years of training are required. Why do you think that the Jedi Order begin to train their members when they're only children and promote them to Jedi Knight when they reach adulthood? You can't master a lightsaber without any practice, you have to learn what powers the Force gives you access to and how to use them.
I'm not sure what your point is. How does any of that justify the criticism of Rey? Speaking of the lightsaber, when does Luke train with it? Unless Yoda trained him off-screen, then his only training was with the floating ball in A New Hope.
Luke did not have a good ending. He performed an amazingly powerful act of the force but for what purpose? All he did was provide a short temporary delay for the bad guys. He didn't turn Kylo to be a good guy. He didn't have any physical impact in any way. It was a sad little ending for such a great character.
The point of there being too many cuts and change of pace is a fair one. I liked how TFA was basically linear while TLJ is all over the place. Didn’t stop me from liking the movie though but it definitely could’ve been edited together better.
I’m glad JJ is back for Episode IX to hopefully steer the ship back in the right direction for the final movie in this trilogy and hope to see answers to questions that TLJ has created.
They should've used Akbar to do the space blast
Is it normal to clap for a movie in the US or something? Never seen anyone do it before
I’ve only gone to one movie where the audience clapped and that was because the cast was there.
Only for big awaited movie series like this one since SW is just a huge cultural phenomenon over here
Seen people do it on the dark knight
Yeah people normally clap and cheer and shit in US theaters. I remember being in a theater for star wars episode 2 and people literally stood up and cheered/clapped when Yoda started fighting count dooku.
Count yourself lucky, over here the average theater viewer tries to make as much noise as possible during the showing, clapping and whooping at the screen like a knuckle-dragger that sees fire for the first time.
Why was Admiral Ackbar killed off? Because they wanted Holdo to be in charge. Simple as that. That's how much respect they have for your favorite characters.
Admiral Ackbar was killed off because the actor who played him died unexpectedly shortly before production began, and they felt it would be disrespectful to recast the role.
@@themightysven multiple actors have played admiral ackbar. so thats a lie.
Imagine if it wasn't Laura Dern's character who blew up snoke's ship, but admiral ackbar! That would have been so much better...
And then maybe some guy on snoke's ship notices it last moment and goes: it's a trap!
holy shit that would have been so much better xD
Imagine if it had been Leia. Sending her character off in a gigantic F U to the First Order. Instead we'll probably get a jarring line about her death in Ep.9's opening crawl.
SeniorFlomas tbh I think he was going to martyr himself originally but the voice actor died before the movie was filmed so a secondary (female empowering) character was added instead) :/ in my head canon, Ackbar made the sacrifice instead. just imagine the endless memes
I think they wanted to avoid the inevitable allahu akbar jokes
A yes they want to avoid yarring jokes because the joke in that joke of a film aren`t that.
I agree, her character only existed because they 'needed' more females in the script.. fuck off with the humans already, we need more alien roles!
There are so many plot holes in the movie and the editing is so messy that it might as well be called STAR WARS: THE JEDI MESH..
The three resistance protagonist (poe, fynn and rose) f-up so many times that one might think they are first order spies.
With one bad decision after another they brought the resistance numbers to a dozen.. The worst part is they were then hailed as heros!! If they were near a real life military, they would have been court-martialed and sent back home
Prof. Himstein - they would have been PCS'd to Fort Leavenworth for the remainder of their lives.
Prof. Himstein they aren’t a real military they are rebel’s -smugglers impoverished civilians and some defectors
They don’t have the best training or weapons or the most resources
And they are some pretty dank examples or real life armies fucking up way worse (like shooting each other)
Idk that’s just how I️ see it your entitled to your opinion
I️ like how the movie is different the main characters don’t know what to do ,they fuck up , and they aren’t all badass’
Actually, not communicating your plans to your subordinates while on a ship with them basically invites mutiny, and history shows that time and time again. Admiral Gender Studies's leadership was atrocious; she could have avoided all of that mess by telling Poe the plan.
Mael Sholjhaes I dont disagree with you. But if mutiny brings destruction of your own side, you are going to be charged for treason. No matter what that subplot and most of the movie was sh*t.
Given Poe's poor disciplinary record I was not surprised by the strategy she used. I can't lecture you on military strategies. I would point you to this though:
www.cdse.edu/multimedia/need-to-know/need_to_know.pdf
The best worst/part of the movie for me was when the Rebel was on that salt planet and touched the white ground and said "it's salt" :D we got it Johnson...it's not Hoth 2.0, tnx
so mineral instantly equals salt? how many god dam minerals are there and the instant they call it a mineral planet your mind goes to salt.
It's called world building and congrats to you for making the salt conclusion on your own before them delivering that line.
i swear people are shitting on this movie for the smallest of shit just to join a band wagon.
To OP's point a lot of movie goers would have thought it was snow or at the least white sand.
The minerals they were talking about were the red crystals. not the salt.
darthchris19 that scene was set up solely for a cameo shot and I don't even remember who it was for.
the director for rogue one gareth edwards. he's next to the guy that licks the salt
The Last Jedi is probably the first time I’ve felt angry and disappointed in a Star Wars movie. This is by far one of my least favorite Star Wars movies.
You didn't feel angry or disappointed in the prequels? Or are we pretending those don't exist when we make statements like these?
the prequels were masterpieces comparing to TLJ. Sure the acting was bad but there was a story there that expanded the universe and built on the lore. Episode 7 and 8 (but mostly 8) were like some youtubers banded together and made a well produced fanfiction
All that lore in the prequels...
Dexter Jettster's diner
The fact a clone army was built because of the Jedi's incompetence.
Boba Fett's backstory was told and it was lame as fuck ("what the fuck is a Mandalorian?" - George Lucas)
The Trade Federation blocking trade and then being changed to the "separatist" because even Lucas realized how fucking dumb that was.
The only worse love story than Twilight known to man
Yoda's character ruined!
Anakin was never good and always brimming with rage so his redemption at the end of Return feels shallow and no longer earned.
Are the Disney ones perfect? Fuck no! But saying the Prequels are a masterpiece compared to anything other than a snuff film for the sole reason that at least no one died is laughable.
The Prequels were a mess if you like them for nostalgia reasons then have fun, but it doesn't change the fact that George didn't know how to handle Star Wars either and maybe Disney bought something that nobody knows what to do with and fans only want to see the same shit they've already seen and Rian Johnson had the gall to ask "can we do something different?" and the fans have since said "NO!" Admittingly his attempt was a mess and didn't do it effectively, but I highly doubt Star Wars fans want anything other than what they know and that's the ultimate problem with Star Wars... there are no stories to tell on a larger scale. Some expanded universe stuff works for the diehards, some shows like Clone Wars and Rebels work for kids and casuals, but on a movie scale if you're not getting the same slop you got already you're "disappointed".
Besides my point was to merely point out that the Prequels were the most disappointing thing to Star Wars fans, to make a comment ignoring that just to pile on this movie is a foolish use of hyperbolic language. You can hate or be disappointed in both, but to ignore the ones that killed Star Wars and tried at every turn to ruin the original films is just a lame attempt to join the hate on the Disney films (which I would admit aren't good, but they're far superior to the prequels).
The prequels were more about the politics and betrayal that led to the originals. They had a good story. Sorry bud but the new movies are trash and just pander to fans who liked the first three movies. Every single movie in this new trilogy is just going to be a terrible allusion to the old ones.
A lot of fans of the OT dislike TLJ, so it's not like Disney is 100% set on pandering only to them. The problem is they tried so hard to subvert or deconstruct Star Wars instead of making an awesome space opera. No one wanted to see Luke as this washed up loser, or see Finn and Rose go into a stupid casino planet, or see Rey barely struggle and continue to be as interesting as a wet blanket, or see whatever the fuck Holdo was supposed to be, or see Luke milking weird aliens like a creep or see Snoke get killed off in an instant without us knowing why the fuck is anything happening in this goddamn new trilogy/set of films. It's like they set to please anyone BUT Star Wars fans and ended up pissing off A LOT of them. It made a billion dollars (one billion less than TFA, but a billion dollars nonetheless), and that's all that matters to Disney.
I love everytime Elise is like "Anyone can have the force!"
Nah, only those with magic grandpa's can have the force.
They whiffed on the ultimate risk. Rey should've taken Kylo's offer. Other than that, Laura's Dern's admiral, along with being totally unbelievable with zero command presence, is the source of almost all the plot holes in the movie as a result of her total refusal to tell Poe the plan. Every subplot initiated by that baffling decision (Poe's mutiny, casino planet adventure) was pointless. And nothing was learned when it was over, there were no arcs to any characters involved.
Playing devil’s advocate here. She did not want the hot headed, just demoted poe to know critical information about the mission. Does it make sense that she didn’t tell anyone? Probably not, but that might have been the reasoning behind it
Iñaki Loureiro but honestly, the first time she shuts poe down I get, he was a hot head pilot she was putting in his place. But why the second time when she started fueling transports did she not tell Anyone (not just poe, but before he walked into the room) about what they were actually doing? And she could have smacked down poe so hard with some snarky comment about what she was doing to put him in his place, instead she told him to shut up.
JLaneboy5 Chain of command. It's need to know. If the boss says Do this as a good solider you do it or you mutiny because you believe they are wrong.
Dirk Strider which is why the first time I'm ok with her not telling poe, but when she tells people to start fueling up to get on them and leave, that's when the others should be told, instead of everyone getting onto transport ships thinking they were just blasting off into space.
The minute Poe discovers the actual plan he tells Finn and is responsible for the plan getting known to the First Order killing the majority of the remaining resistance fighters. It is litterally shown, why telling Poe anything is stupid.
Jake "The Snoke" Roberts
RandomBattleXP Basically Jake "The Snake" without DDP Yoga.
Farid in this podcast was kinda like the Finn/Rose plot
😂😂
So glad you guys had an interesting and constructive discussion about the film instead of just either glowing over it or hating on it. This is why I love the movie podcast.
Sam I hope you realize this was about 80% hate and/or disappointment
That's not accurate. John and Bruce both said they enjoyed the film, Elyse seemed to be mixed but seemed more positive than negative, James seemed to be very split (stating there were parts he both absolutely loved and parts he hated), Lawrence was intrigued by aspects but didn't enjoy it overall, and only Adam outright disliked the film.
If you break that down just based on their opinions, 33% enjoyed, 33% mixed, and 33% disliked. Yes, the majority of the podcast was spent discussing the flaws of the film, but that's because it's simply more interesting to discuss the flaws of a film than gush for an hour about the cool stuff.
Basically, if you talk about stuff you like, you can only say each reason you liked the thing once because whatever you're talking about is something you wouldn't change. But the flaws of the film are things that you wish were different which opens up endless discussion possibilities. Hence the focus on that.
Also, discussing the flaws of something does not at all imply hatred. It may imply some degree of disappointment but sometimes not even then. Bruce and John were discussing the flaws with the rest (because it's more interesting as podcast material like I said) but the subtext was that they still enjoyed the film and the flaws that they're talking about didn't bother them much. Elyse and James also had this subtext during parts of the podcast, though sometimes it flipped and you could tell they were actually disappointed with certain aspects (more James than Elyse).
Am I crazy for thinking the dialogue was awkward?
Have you seen any other film in the franchise. The awkward dialogue is part of the Star Wars aesthetic at this point.
Nate Idk maybe I noticed it more in this one. But more than a few times I winced at the tropes they were trying to use. I didn't have that same feeling watching the original trilogy or force awakens.
That's weird. I noticed dialogue tropes in all the films. I've come to love it as part of the Star Wars charm only because I was introduced to the off-putting dialogue from the very genesis of the franchise. If it had been newly introduced in the prequels or this third trilogy, it wouldn't have felt right.
Nate Good point I'm probably just not noticing it
Each movie has the occasional gem, like TFA had some bad ass lines, but Star Wars in general has cringe worthy dialogue. Rewatch some of the garbage they put on screen with Jar Jar
Why does Elise keep mentioning how parentage doesn't matter? Am I missing something? Isn't literally everyone in the star wars universe, with the exception of Skywalkers and Solos, nobody. Bane was a miner, Revan was a random Jedi, Obi-wan was just a Jedi, Palpatine was a politician's son, Ashoka was just a Togruta Who in rebels can fight Vader.
The reason people are annoyed about Rey's supposed parentage is things were set up in TFA, in the trailers and in deceptive answers in interviews. Johnson thought to himself what is nobody expecting, nobody is expecting that they've been fed false clues.
It's like a crime film where the detective has a gun with fingerprints, a video of the killer killing the victim and even a confession note. But then it turns out, Oprah left the set of her show to fly over to the scene of the crime, kill the victim then used shadow puppet jutsu to plot twist the narrative or whatever.
That sounds like a *LOT* of EU talk my friend which, might I remind you, no longer exists. Plus, while everyone here seems knowledgeable on the movies it doesn't appear as though any know that much about what happened outside in the extended non-canon-verse. I have yet to make it all the way through so I might be wrong on that.
Why grammar no good?
siefer117 Bruce has read lots of books, most of which I'd imagine probably relate to the events after Return of the Jedi. Which are non-canon with the exception of anything that's releases since TFA releases.
The only non-canon character I mentioned was Revan who may or may not be technically canon. Darth Bane appeared in the clone wars, which is canon. Technically, the events of the Darth Bane trilogy could be canon because they're not too insane and they relate to events leading up to the films. Revan appears as a hologram in the first book. Therefore, technically, it's still relevant. Not too mention. I don't really see how your point is valid. Canon or not. Star Wars doesn't revolve around parentage.
As I said, the only elements that are, are directly linked to the Skywalkers and Solos. Every other force user is simply force sensitive without blood ties. She pressed the issue multiple times but even looking at the prequels, there are hundreds of Jedi and a couple of Sith, none of which were granted any significant power due to parentage but due to effort training and studying.
What the heck is "shadow puppet jutsu"? lol
Jacob S. Think it might be a Naruto thing still imprinted somewhere in the back of my mind
I keep hearing that The Last Jedi "took risks," but I don't seem to get that. All I saw was a bunch of recycled bits from the original trilogy tied together sloppily with some some new force abilities thrown in to make it seem new.
I agree, but I still really liked the movie.
I didnt like space Leia moment it seemed tacky, they could have done something better to show Leias force strength. She looked like the VR guy from the Time magazine.
I always thought the overlying theme of the film was that it was that its okay to fail, through failure we learn how to get better/failure
But don't you think it's kinda dumb to halt the progress of a new trilogy to introduce new characters and scenarios so we can have a Saturday morning message?
Hmmm didnt almost everyone also fail in empire Jagd???
What about the fact that rey literally never fails. she does everything perfect. fights on part or better kylo ren without any training, overcomes the darkside in the whole thing very easily etc...
1. Rey failed at turning kylo
2. She fails at bringing luke back
3. She got tricked to give herself up???
Those are 3 of basic things she failed at in this movie.
The Leia thing was really dumb to me, it was the opposite of the problem the prequels had of try to quantify and remove all the mystic nature of the force, but this was just no rules force is anything you want
Benperson it's been stated that Leia, being a Skywalker, is very force sensitive and she could've easily been a Jedi.
Italian Sosij yeah I know, but luke trained for two movies and barely could lift rocks, and Leia is an elderly woman floating in space, seems far fetched
Could be me, but is there gravity in space? Isn't the floating in space normal?
Kevin Stoffels It seems like moving yourself in space would be the easiest force ability. There is no other force acting on you in space so you'd basically just be moving a weightless mass
Alex Reinke exactly my idea, all she had to do was force pull on the spaceship!
I think Bruce missed the point, the idea is not to absolve Kylo of his crimes when he lends his hand to Rey. It's a missed opportunity to see something else. The character just basically torn everything that defined him and did nothing to evolve. Not only did he kill his master and vodoo father but by doing so in a way he stated that the death of his father, the destruction of the jedi temple were in vain and mistakes. He turned his back to the First Order just like he turned his back on Luke, the Jedi and the "good guys". He was supposed to flee, to do his own thing, regardless of Rey's decision, start a new while still being a murderer and psycho (perhaps even regroup with the Knights of Ren or become the first on screen Grey Jedi). Instead of that, he just takes Snoke's place and follow the exact same narrative purpose he had: being the plain old cliche baddy of the story. There's no pay off and no complexity. Kylo Ren as a character just lost his chore and panache at that moment.
Hmm, you guys did not take to Space Buddies as I thought you would.
tl;dr if the movie didn't take risks, the masses of the Star Wars fandom would have liked it. Like with TFA.
The risks they're talking about are on the larger, director scale; that it wasn't like 5, it wasn't like other star wars films, it isn't what anyone expected. If those risks they took to make this movie different had no pay off that's a failure on the part of the people who took those risks. So, risk=no reward which isn't a good thing. Adam said after Jon that this movie backpedaled it's character arcs, and when it showed the audience potential for something new, it backpedals, which I think is what you're talking about.
Luke dodging kylo's lightsaber and doing a 360 was badass
Odd I felt that was really out of place for the movie. It was a random slow motion move in a franchise that hasn't done that before. It was a very matrix like move that felt out of place for me.
Yeah that was cool.. It was very yoda like..
well I believe in the lore Luke is supposed to be one of the fastest Jedi's ever. I really enjoyed them doing that (although FUCK YOU FOR HAVING HIM HAVE A BLUE LIGHTSABER)
David Ure, they were giving him jedi speed like someone mentioned above. Fans of rpgs like Knights of the Old Republic are some of the few people that can appreciate that, so they gave them a nugget instead of green lightning like he should have.. Electric Justice
But he wasnt really tho... it was just a hologram. LAME!
The movie could have ended in five minutes had one of those Tie Fighters actually shot and disabled the Rebel ship's engines. Instead they blew up their hangar, took out the bridge and then chased them at a snail's pace for hours and hours.
From another podcast I listened to (Jesse Cox's Star Wars New Canon Book Club) they mentioned it/interpreted it as being the first showing of how in a lot of space fights in Star Wars, they angle deflector shields to certain areas. In this part, the shields were more focused in the back to take the Star Destroyers' cannons, so then Kylo and the Ties were able to then swing around and attack the bridge and hangars which are now unprotected.
They're big engines though. They project a Star Trek-esque shield bubble in this movie, so if the fighters could go around it then there wasn't anything stopping them from shooting the engines from the other side. Or better yet, why didn't thousands of Tie Fighters from those 10+ Star Destroyers simply overwhelm the ship? At this point they're still in fighter range, so the First Order should have sent everything they had at them.
Whole reason why the rebels are alive the whole movie lol the empires makes stupid ass decisions they could have destroyed them in the first scene where they shot the rebel base, why not shoot the ship they are evacing on lol
I thought they were able to take out the bridge and hangar because the shields were focused on the rear of the ship, but also why waste your fighters on taking out a ship that'll just run out of fuel in a couple hours anyways.
sharkh20 yea, they sent out ships when they were getting attacked. But they didn't even think they were in danger until seconds before the ships crashed. From the first orders perspective they had them beat, the smart way of going about it would've been to wait.
Po's subplot taught him what it means to be a leader and the true value of his soldiers. It also taught him that a victory for the rebellion does not always mean blowing something up and dealing a huge blow to the empire. I think it also set up for Po taking command when Leia dies, which I think should have been in The Last Jedi.
From the year 2019 when im re-watching this, Holdo's light speed smash wouldn't have worked because you don't just go really fast. If that's the case, then there would have been so many times when ships would have just smashed into planets. When you go light speed you enter hyper space, and go through that dimension to your new location like a worm hole, if they did it correctly, Holdo would have hit the button, dipped out of the fight, leaving everyone confused as to why there are 10 blue beans in front of them and not the giant ship that was just there, and Holdo would be light years away sitting in the middle of space going "oh yea thats how that works". Role credits
I'm a starwars fanatic and the amount of lore (even DISNEY CANNON lore) that was pissed on was.....astonishing to say the least.
Not really? What “lore” was pissed on? And anything that has to reference the old EU doesn’t count
So pissed at your own expectations.
Please provide some examples
jesse mckinney see above ^
Assasin2 see above ^
Disney: "Ok Rian, we made The Force Awakens to build up the 2 big mysteries: Who's Snoke & who are Rey's parents. It's your job to continue the story."
Rian Johnson: "Nobodies."
Disney: "...what?"
Rian: "They're nobodies."
Disney: "But then we wouldn't need Ep VII at all"
Rian: "Yup. Oh and f*** that Ackbar guy, I'll kill him offscreen and give the cool hero-death scene to some ol' bitch that nobody ever heard of"
Vincentius lmao yes. You can actually see Ackbar on the bridge but I honestly thought it was just another alien of his species until all she had to say was “we lost Admiral Ackbar”. Like seriously, that’s it?
Vincentius It's such a short sequence that I actually didn't even note his death till the second viewing. Probably a mix of me not being attentive enough and the amount of screen time he gets even though he's a pretty damn big character for fans.
Never trust a ryan who spells his name with an i.
Was he on the ship or was thr ship The Admiral Akbar?
jake sommerfeld he was on the ship, you can see him for a brief moment when Leia and Kylo have their force feeling moment.
" hard work and dedication "
What "hard work" has rey actually put in
Being a woman that overcomes the patriarchy obviously
Zangief-chan did you not see her open mouth and and wide eyes? Do you know how much training that takes! xD
And what "hard work" did Luke put in? He deflected some floating orb's shots a few times, then carried Yoda on his back for a few days/weeks. And suddenly he could take on Jabba's forces and Vader lmao. At least Rey had some combat practice while being orphaned
Solaxe S true but theres alot of fanboys saying that luke is the greatest but he really didn't do much training that we saw in the films! I dont care about non canon crap im talking about films! But yeah i mean if they really love the old films and absolutely hate the new ones why not just keep watching the old ones? Its like saying they killed my childhood but did they? You can still watch them..
Solaxe S First of all, Luke had some basic training with Obi-wan that got him familiar on how to use the force. Second, what do you think happened in between the movies? You think Luke just got training from Obi-Wan then did nothing for 3 year before he had his training with Yoda? Then did nothing again in the year between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi? Hell no. There are comics and books that tell the stories of what he did between the movies, which include rebellion battles and duels. Also a story of him returning to Tatooine where he find Obi-wan's journals that he had left for Luke to continue his training. That's 4 years of him training and having battle experience that made him the Jedi we saw in RotJ. 4 YEARS!! That's something at least.
Rey on the other hand, literally has no training and doesn't get any help from any jedi master, and is able to use the force in the force awakens. Then she receives training from Luke that takes DAYS where she is supposed to learn three lessons. SHE ONLY LEARNS 2 OF THOSE 3 LESSONS!!! She never gets to the third lesson and is all of the sudden a Jedi that can take on a healthy Kylo Ren who is in his late 20's with countless years of Jedi Training and battle experience.
Before talking out of your ass, do some research before making idiotic statements.
@1:04:43 those CG porges were needed because the real island in ireland has thousands of birds on it that needed to be edited out with CG, so its not a matter of them "doing anything" it was more of a technique to make the most of the adverse filming conditions.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi was alright but the subplot Adventures of Huckleberry Rose n’ Finn not so much.
System Failure Thank God I can (and will) always skip that completely when I watch the movie at home again.
Lipziger it's not good but it's to lead into more Force Sensitive people willing to fight to change their lot in life. It's a bad scene/plot needed to continue to expand.
You mean the 45 minutes adventure with zero payoff?
Fuck-all-berry Fin
Am I the only one that would have prefered very dirty, fucked up pod racers being betted on instead of those wierd dogs running in the track? Why not have the kids cleaning droids and pod racers etc?
I mean it is a casino planet after all.
The Jedi would take young children into their care and teach them their lifestyle.
The First Order would take young children into their care and teach them their lifestyle.
That could have been a great parallel into why the Jedi should end. Sady it was missed.
Great review discussion though guys!
Wow. Its that simple
Did the Jedi steal children or ask the parents? (I'm not too sure)
If not, one is kidnapping & the other is an opportunity to explore ones self.
First Order outright kidnapped children.
Jedi never kidnapped, they asked the parents. If parents said no the jedi would apologize and leave, but would try to impress upon them how it could be dangerous for the child.
The Jedi gaslight the parents into giving them the kids, and then won't allow the kids to ever see their parents again. It's basically a less jarring kidnapping.
I appreciate Adam in this Podcast, the movie changed what star wars means for many now, and while everyone was being relatively soft on critiquing the film, he was honest. Thanks for speaking your mind.
So why didint Yoda ghost up to Snoke on his ship and just strike him with lightning ? Or why didint they lightspeed-Kamikazi the death stars ? thats SUPER effective 1 small ship to one Death Star.
What plot hole ? All the plot holes. If using one ship to destroy a fleet or the death star can be used, it should be used all the time. This film shit on so much in the SW universe its unreal.
Why waste ships ? Its using ships to gain a massive advantage, one unmanned or droid steered ship can obliterate a weapon that destroys planets, its simple maths friend. One ship with a droid can take out a star destroyer with thousands of soldiers who can kill millions of your resistance fighters. The military does these high risk small man OP`s all the time coz if it works IT WORKS OUTand if it does not you only lost a few men ( one transport ship )
CoolKwaz What ? They do use drones just not kamikaze ones, the ones with missiles. There was an outcry because of this, Obama got a load of shit just for that reason. Troops are used tactically to have a presence and to work with the people on the ground after the area has been BOMBED to shit by drones. The next iteration of this is the Boston dynamics robots that will take over troops completely. Because it is better to use a robot ( ship ) than troops on the ground to fight and die in skirmishes that can be completely avoided by the use of something more efficient and something that does not cost lives.
And its not like a transport ship is ever going to win against a star destroyer, so best use it in a way that it actually can, LIGHTSPEED-KAMIKAZE. :)
In real life if I took a plane and rammed it into the bad guys base I could probably also destroy said base...why doesn't the military just suicide jets into the enemy all the time, its just one plane right?
The Luke illusion, to me, felt like: here's Luke being badass, but it was all a dream...
121dan121 But it's so much more powerful for him to make an illusion to deceive Kylo Ren and the First Order. It also follows the for every great Light side Power there must be a dark side. Snoke died, Luke was his counterpart.
The best thing about that scene is that the story it will bring for the rebels. All they saw was him bombarded by lazors, walk through like fuck all happened, and then fight Kylo Ren, the terror of the First Order, on his own, and he was whooping his ass. Then the rebels get away safe because of him holding off Kylo, and then none of the rebels see that he wasn't really there. They're gone when he disappears.
It would have been so much cooler for him to block the shots like kylo in the first. Having him die like that is pointless
And how they just introduced a new power was bull
Prepare for a lot of shit.
You want them to use the same 5 Force powers? It was dumb for him to die like that, and that wasn't Luke Skywalker as Mark Hamill said, but it was an incredible way to show how far he's come. It helped show a perfect image to the rebels, that the Jedi are not gone and this is what they're capable of. Impossible shit. And then they see Rey, another Jedi. The whole movie showed that theres no hope left in the galaxy. But Luke showing his power the way he did, and Rey, has begun to bring hope back to the rebels. And then by the next movie, the story of Luke Skywalker staring down and surviving a fleet of AT AT's, and taking on Kylo Ren himself like he's nothing.
I agree with nearly everything Funhaus said. It was not a good movie. It had entertaining parts, but it entirely rides on how episode 9 turns out. If we find out that Snoke knew the whole time what Ben was doing, turning the lightsaber next to him, wanting him to strike him down. He wants him to be at his most powerful, be what Vader could never be because of the robotic limbs. And now he knows his ultimate weakness, Rey. He has a line in the movie where it focuses on him and he says "Because weakness, properly manipulated, can be a sharp, tool." He knew what Ben was up to, and wanted him to feel in control and powerful. I 100% guarantee he will be back in episode 9, and he's clearly been killed before. Look at his god damn head. A lightsaber went right through that shit. I bet he is Plaguis like Bruce said. This movie could forever be dogshit, unless episode 9 pays off everything to an incredible level. 2 more years of waiting.
I think the biggest problem to me (I still enjoy it at times) was that I didn't feel like I was watching a Rian Johnson movie, I'm 100% sure that Kathleen Kennedy or someone from Disney said him to change a few things.
al112v5 no and yes
On the point of why Kylo hesitated to kill Leia and not Han; I think Ramsey Bolton from Game of Thrones said it best “If you think this has a happy ending you haven’t been paying attention”. I’m referring to that quote in regards to what happened after the original trilogy. There’s no way Han said everything is saved now I’m going to settle down and have a family. That makes no sense. Leia and Han are divorced. I would bet that Han was an absentee father. Couple that with the enormous shadow of his parents, grandparents, and uncle. He had to constantly hear about what a hero Han was while Kylo probably missed him at significant points, you all know the whole Cats in the cradle thing. So I can surmise that he probably didn’t have an easy time hating her as much as he did Han. So for me that hesitation makes sense if I am not wrong about how Kylo grew up.
That thought process does make sense in many ways. I always thought that Kylo was closer to his mom anyway. Plus if you read the book "Leia," she's actually not really liked around the Republic because Darth Vader was her dad. So it makes even more sense that the two kind of band together more because of that fact.
rogue one is one of the best star wars movies tbh
The idea that, after killing the two darkest men in the Galaxy in Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, and knowing all the knowledge of how balance in the force works, that the last two practicing people, Luke and Leia, didn't have some sort of plan to prepare for when any one force user goes polar opposite of them is proposterous. This intense fear of a kid that doesn't know how dark to be, and the missed opportunity to mold a heart to the light when Luke JUST DID THAT TO HIS FATHER, is inane stupidity in the writing of this movie.
Anthony Kiedis in the back is awesome
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Took me 25 mins. to notice he was there.
Matthew lead singer for red hot chilli peppers, and that rush pic is awesome.
Timestamp? Where in the background? I can't find him. Are you just talking about Fahrid (spelling?)
Looking back, Adam and Lawrence were too pedantic, whilst Elyse and Bruce were a bit too forgiving. James on the other hand seemed to look at the movie as a whole in a correct manor. Not discounting what didn’t happen, but what it did, and therefore needed it to be added to make the those aspects were good or plausible due to the situations given and know previously.
I don't understand how everyone's big take away from The Last Jedi is that anyone can become a Jedi and use the force, and that it's not exclusive to the Skywalker bloodline. There was literally an entire army of force using Jedi in the prequels, and I'm pretty sure only one of them was a Skywalker.
My biggest problem was when the hacker dude with the stutter some how knew the secret rebel plan that only the purple haired bitch knew. Meanwhile Poe, Finn and Rose are on a completely separate plan
I can’t call myself a true fan because I actually like Star Wars.
It does feel like that sometimes doesn't it?
Yeah, so you can like it, but not really... is what I'm reading. Worst thing about SW is the fans... and some of the prequel stuff.
I followed this channel since the early IG days, and thanks to Uni have been away 2 years. Now I've moved out, and have been bingeing in a big way :D I've missed you guys
This is why I love Funhaus. They connect to their audience so well and make you feel like you're part of the conversation.
A message isn’t a good film
Dangerz Own But this wasn’t a good fun movie. This was a stupid Transformers movie. 😂
Regicidal Maniac But what is the message?
Is the message that an unimportant janitor stormtrooper can easily defeat the most powerful and badass female stormtrooper commander?
Sounds pretty sexist to me. 😂
Dangerz Own Was not on the hype train, in fact the vast majority of people who watched this are not hardcore Star Wars nerds. The film was objectively poor.
Regicidal Maniac it's gonna be a long staff with a light saber spearhead on the end of it with a light saber bit in the middle of it to block attacks. If not, It's gonna be something else dumb.
Screencap me on this
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+Rami Gilneas
I think you completely misread what they said.
This isn't a Blockbuster, it was a much more clever film.
Why can't they just make a fight scene with lightsabers long. Like Raid Redemption for example. Why can't we do that
The Porgs were not added to the movie for story reasons. The island of Skellig Michael where they filmed happens to be a sanctuary for puffins so they can't shoo them away or anything, and it was easier to slightly alter the puffins than digitally remove them completely.
what I hate about this is Rian johnson didn't respect Star Wars or the things JJ Abrems was setting up.
Make these always an hour. Best podcast
It should have been Leia at the helm of the Cruiser when it hyperspace kamizaze'd. Then they would have already set up Purple Laura Dern's character as a replacement rebel leader for episode 9, and they would have given a meaningful send off to Leia (sacrificing herself to save the tattered remains of the rebels). Now what are they going to do - kill her off-screen in the next movie? CGI her in? Just not mention her?
They said they wouldn't cgi her at all so idk how they will do it for the next movie.
That being said she died after all the filming so going back to reshoot some scenes was probably not worth it considering how much she shows up at the end. Would have meant a big rewrite at that point.
admiral ackbar would have been a better choice.
It’s not jarring it’s just a mess.
@ClandestineOstrich so much so that you dont really get what happened after you finish the movie until you think two seconds and go
Wait what?
If someone has mor info then please correct me but I never really thought Star Wars was about having to be a somebody or anything like that: besides Anakin being the chosen one
It was never meant to be about having to be a somebody. It's just that anakin's bloodline is just super strong in the force so anyone from that bloodline is considered special. But thats the point the film is making is that in that universe the people put a lot of pressure on our heroes because of who they are or what their deeds were. When in reality anyone could take their place.
I feel so sorry for Adam, I would have lost it sitting in that discussion corner listening to the others...
Falafelbagaren for someone who says he shuts his brain off when he watches movies I really didn't get why he was so upset.
I'm gonna get hate for this. I liked Rogue One better than both Force Awakens and Last Jedi.
Think a lot of people do
With The Last Jedi, I left the table not unsatisfied but disgusted. It was a bad film and, like Adam, I no longer have any love left for Star Wars.
While I watched "Last Jedi" I was unsure if I watched a Star Wars movie or Spaceballs 2......
We are overdue for a “Spaceballs 2: the Search for more Money”. Cmon Mel Brooks!!
Especially with that fuckin ironing scene.
I liked it. They took elements in directions I didnt expect and dropped elements I was expecting would carry over from the previous movie. I didnt expect a Disney backed Star Wars movie to take risks and I am glad they did. Some great moments and bad moments. Had interesting things to say but had poor execution.
A. Rol risks that didn't pay off, unfortunately. I actually think i like this movie better than force awakens even though the latter is a better film. The subverting of expectations were done well, but ended up being a "bad guy vs good guy" kind of tale anyway...
46:31 I could only imagine what James is thinking now that the Snyder Cut is coming out.
I really appreciated you guys having a measured conversation that really takes a look at both sides. It would be a very easy film to just go in and pick out what you want to see, whether good or bad, so, to see a group of people with varying opinions actually debating is very refreshing.
This movie is about failure. Like Yoda said, “failure is the greatest teacher”.
Its jarring more than anything like James said. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong
I just wished they learned better lessons through their failures.
Poe learned never to question authority and put his blind trust in his leaders.
Finn learned that everything is ok as long as you let space race horses go even if they are on a planet that will round them up for entertainment again and to not sacrifice yourself to save your friends, there will always be a hologram of Luke Skywalker waiting to save the day and bail you out.
Rey learned she's nothing because her parents are (fans reaction) and the only person that cares for her is a genocidal maniac.
Rose learned never to leave the engine room because you could have came up with a much easier plan to save the day. If only one ship is being track, why not overload the other ships with as many people as you can and scatter through hyperspace and leave the last one to be sacrificed?
Laura Dern learned she could be in a Star Wars movie if she dyed her hair... I mean Admiral Holdo (Had to look it up, totally forgot her name) learned she can be an incompetent leader, but if she sacrifices herself in the end audiences will call her a heroine and all will be forgiven. Wait... but that wasn't good enough for Finn? Is it because he doesn't have purple hair?
Luke learned he can cause all the current problems in the galaxy and piss off and force ghost party with Obi-Wan and Yoda and not have to deal with that shit anymore. Ok, I admit it, that's actually a pretty good lesson.
Phasma learned not to try to be in Star Wars movies anymore.
Hux learned he'll always be second fiddle... always.
The Audience learned that Carrie Fisher can have this movie dedicated to her memory, but we all forget that Kenny Baker fucking died too. We just replace R2D2 and keep rolling (pun was totally intended).
Kylo Ren learned to never go against the grain again, keep the status quo. The end of this movie really wanted to try to stop him from being the most interesting character in this new series, but had to make me revert back on character development to even attempt to.
And Benicio Del Toro learned something about a paycheck... wait was that from this film or all those beer commercials he does?
I think if Ackbar did the lightspeed suicide bomb thing, it would of been so much more epic and gave him a proper death. They wouldn't of needed a pointless character that is only going to die at the end. Literally that Lady could of been replaced with Ackbar and would of been so much better.
Bruce ends up being wrong on all his predictions.
I watched this a couple days ago with my nine year old nephew. He was whispering "No don't do it!" when Ren was asking Rei to join him. I feel like alot of people think this movie is just for them.
Adam Kovic as Adam Driver. Lol
Thicc Burb as Adam West.
Anyone that thinks Rian Johnson "figured out Hux"....I don't trust your judgment in movies.
Would love a part 2! Thanks for making this guys love what you do and looking forward to the new year of FunHaus!
Due to the packed theater, I had to sit next to a 4-6 year old child, that kids reaction to the movie was better than the movie. This kid was on my left and my dad was on my right and that combination got a real emotional response out of me. I was that kids age when episode 1 came out. Nostalgia at its finest.
I didn't really like it. The action scenes were entertaining enough, I think the Kylo/Rei stuff was building well at first, but thats kinda it for me. I know its a sci fi movie, but the plot just seemed dumb and it kept irritating me. It just seemed so weird to fly away from the ship under attack to go on this weird casino heist for this ramshackle plan to come back and then board the enemy ship with some hacker you didn't even know existed. I just found it hard to believe there wasn't a simpler plan or something more productive you could do with that opportunity and time. And why didn't the admiral lady just say what her plan was so there didn't have to be secret plans and mutinies etc.
The humor just kept missing for me too. For the record, I feel like it hit better in Force awakens and I'm not one of these people complaining about Marvel movies being too "funny". I think humor even in dark times is a very human thing, but it just didn't land often enough for me. I think the island caretakers cart getting wiped out was great visual comedy that got the best reaction from me, but even then, not really hanging together with what was happening around it. Its hard to explain why an individual joke does or does not work, but all too often in this movie I felt the awkwardness of me recognizing a joke and just not laughing.
Kind of a lot of characters around too, and everyone is trying to be important but a lot of them just end up going nowhere and at some points the pacing just seems to lean on the fast forward button to try to cram them all into the already long running time. The casino stuff again just felt a little pointless and illogical for the characters. Like when they are about to be captured at the cliff and its "worth it" to them both even though this now means they failed and all their friends and the rebellion will die and her sister died for nothing, but some windows got broken and some horse rats got free and will probably be rounded up again and thats suddenly the most important thing in their lives. I just couldn't understand that. The Leia scene in space was weird and honestly it could have been handled better to set up and been her actual death and have some ramifications with Kylo or Poe and characters connected to her, she didn't really do much the rest of the movie as it was.
Holdo was a weird introduction. It almost seemed like a minor antagonist for Poe, but it didn't really go anywhere in the end. It seems like something got cut or changed because it didn't seem like a vital character the way things played out. And her sacrifice just raises more questions. Can't you pilot ships remotely/program them? Why were all previous ships, like the medical frigate not doing that when they got low on fuel? They died anyway. Audio visuals on the scene were nice, but it was just completely undermined for me in terms of the logic around it all.
Snoke felt kinda wasted. There was some good build on him as a villain and he started to feel threatening as he seems to be playing everyone and know exactly how people would react to what he was doing, and can complete overpower rey with the force. I thought he would know Kylo was going to do what he did and be prepared and punk him out and go from there, but he just gets sliced and dismissed from the movie. And then shortly after an okay action scene, anything interesting about the Kylo Rey dynamic kinda leaves too because of that.
This applies to Force awakens too, but I just don't really get the state of the universe. It seems like the empire/first order just fail upwards. They never win, yet they still have the economy and industry to field an overwhelming force in both numbers and technology. The rebels are still underdogs using kinda crappy gear even though they win in every movie up to this one. They just seem like they are unorganized and incompetent at this point that they haven't established a better stable presence in the galaxy or at the very least, a bigger peace keeping military. In a way, to me it devalues the "heroics" of the original trilogy. What did they actually accomplish? They are still fighting pretty much the same enemy. It just makes me feel like its creatively bankrupt at this point. The empire is eternal under a new name because you have to have someone to explode, so they just reset the rebels back to the scrappy underdogs who have to run from them.
Luke and the ending was a slight disappointment to me. It's dumb and childish I know, but I just wanted him to go all out and actually be there and wreck the AT-ATs with massive force powers pulling them apart and throwing his lightsaber through cockpits and kneecaps. Just because of his line earlier that set the expectation and to subvert it. He mentions "what do you think I can do, fight them all with a lazer sword?" or something. I would have liked to see some visually over-the-top force use, basically doing so much damage that Kylo orders them to retreat so he can face him 1 on 1 and stop any more losses. And then maybe at the end of it all after holding them off, Rei and Luke sit at the sunset on the planet but Luke reveals the initial AT-AT barrage did technically kill him, he is just holding himself together using the force on a molecular level or some crap, he just wanted to be a legend again to the rebellion and inspire people to stand up, he had been waiting to die before she showed up anyway blah blah sad goodbye and a hopefully emotional send off for Hamill. And when he lets go he does the Kenobi death thing and the robe drops after they have a last exchange.
R0B1NG5 I agree (or at least, understand where you are coming from) on just about all of this, but what is annoying me the most is your sixth paragraph. What the hell happened between 6 and 7. Did the rebellion create a republic and fail? Did Snoak immediately seize control? If not, when did he come onto the scene? If they did make a republic, why did it already fail? If they didn't make a republic, why not? All we know about the intervening time is at some point luke made an academy and it failed years later. At one point, I think it was poe mentions something about the republic (being born again or whatever), but what is he talking about? Is it the republic that nobody knew from the prequels? Because that has been gone well over 45 years at this point, or did the rebellion lead to a republic that failed? I really hope they don't plan on 10-12 being a prequel to the sequel trilogy...
Agree mostly.
JLaneboy5 Not trying to be an apologist or anything, because I also disliked TLJ, but in TFA they explain that there is a New Republic but it has no military. So when the First Order showed up, the Republic couldn't do anything about it. That is why Leia created the "Resistance" to fight the First Order. The First Order then blows up the planets that are the capital of the Republic with Starkiller base. That however still does not explain where Snoke and the FO come from though.
The last jedi not only ruins all future STAR WARS movies, it also
retroactively ruins the past films and makes them all look like idiots.
>A New Hope - "Sir we've worked out the final plan for the assault on
the death star and it will be risky and cost many lives but it migh-"
"Just Hyperspace-Ram it"
>Empire - "Sir the troops are ready for the ground assault on Hoth,
walkers are ready to deploy" "Just Hyperspace-Ram the shield generator
from orbit then Hyperspace-ram the rebel base. Boom. All the rebels will
be dead before they can evacuate, war is over, and we never had to do a
ground assault"
>Jedi - "Sir they built a new death star and it's even bigg-" "Just
Hyperspace-Ram it" "But sir it's surrounded by a shield from the Endor
moo-" "Just hyperspace ram the endor Moon until you take out the shield
generator, Ewoks are collateral damage, then hyperspace ram the new
death star"
>Phantom Menace - "Annakin you have to take out that droid
controller" "Just hyperspace ram it"
>Rogue One - "We have to take down that shield generator!" "Just
hyperspace ra- actually you know what were going to just hyperspace ram
the death star anyway so we don't even need these stupid plans. Lets get
out of here everybody."
>TFA - My god they built an even BIGGER death sta-" "Just hyperspace
ram it"
From now on, in every star wars movie ever made, every single time there
is a massive fleet, large base or battlestation everyone watching will
be thinking. "Why don't they just hyperspace-ram it". Johnson did this
to the entire star wars cinematic universe, forever, for the sake of a
ten second shot that "looked cool".
Poe's arc ultimately amounts to him realizing that he can't always blow shit up. This is seen during Luke's confrontation with Kylo, and Poe recognizes this as a distraction so they can escape. Instead of instinctively going on the offensive like leading the bombers, he learns to think instead.
That said, I agree he should've been reprimanded more than just a demotion for getting those bombers killed. Maybe his relationship with Leia helped, as well as managing to destroy the dreadnaught.
Adam's hair is increasingly becoming more and more Lynch-like.
Also totally agree with Adam and James. There's so much in this movie that makes you think is going to go down a unique perspective or change the formula up but basically says "Haha! Tricked ya! It's still the same-old-same-old bad guy is bad and good guy is good."
I also liked that Snoke was just killed and we didn't find out much about him. Very much in line with the whole Rey came from nobody. *But* what would really slam in the "Snoke dying without knowing about him" in a good way is how he was the stepping stone for Kylo. The whole interesting speech on getting rid of the past, no jedi, no rebels. That would add some weight to Snoke dying being the kill that gives gravitas to Kylo's whole speech. My worry is that would all go down the toilet if they use Kylo to just be "let's rule the galaxy!".
Driver is killing it as Kylo and I really hope they don't take the character down that road.
Take a shot every time they say “subverted” or “agency” and die of alcohol poisoning so you don’t have to watch the next Star Wars.
I agree dude, such a dumb point. Did Luke not have agency when he left his home to enter a war? Did Han not have agency when he decided to not be selfish and help destroy the Death Star? Star Wars has always been about achievement
Ben Snod - they made the same mistake that whoever wrote the bible did; you can't have free will and a guiding force at the same time, they are mutually exclusive concepts.
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Ben Snod what about jarring
Andrew Jackson I’m sorry, what? That makes literally zero sense.
Give us PART TWO!! we want more! Adam, I agree with everything you said. this movie was made for the critics and the trailers. It was made to be praised for breaking paradigms within star wars since the force awakens had the critics saying it was copy paste from the original triology. But fuck the critics! and fuck the economy from all this. make a good movie, thats all. thanks guys :)
It's Disney, they won't ever say fuck the economy, ever.
When Poe finally hears the plan to evacuate the ship, he scrunches his face and goes "Huh, that could work." Then moves on and totally no-sells the fact that he just sent his friend and another girl on a potential suicide mission with no planned extraction for literally no reason. That was the biggest "...wut?" for me in the movie.
I fucking relate 100% with you Adam just by your facial expressions
Biggest "technical" annoyance: During the chase, they were treating the turbolasers like artillery, with a curve and everything. IN DEEP SPACE
punk canuck Star Wars has never had accurate physics
You can't apply actual science to the way Star Wars depicts space, and you could never do so before either. It's not like The Last Jedi suddenly started having sound in space either. Star Wars is space fantasy, not science fiction.
This is a redundant argument.
Only four more days till Christmassssss
Emerald has Christmas been pushed to the 27th? Lol
SuperComBoy are you dumb?
Frogfalcon today the 23rd Christmas is the 25th. Emerald said there were 4 more days. So that would mean it’s on the 27th because 23+4=27.
Issa joke from the furby video they made a few months ago
EDIT: Furby, not furry (dear lord)
landofconfusionfan it was made 11 months ago. So glad to finally find someone that got the joke haha
Hey, Funhaus version is more logical:
Let Ackbar be the proxy general. Let Holdo and Rose become his assistants. Ackbar tells Poe about the plan. Poe disagrees and convinces Finn to go to Canto Blight together to find the hacker. Finn explains about his feeling being a child captive/soldier to Poe. The plan eventually fails. Ackbar does the kamikaze lightspeed attack. Poe regrets his decision and tries to redeem himself during the final battle by doing Finn's kamikaze attack but Finn saves him. Holdo to replace Leia at the of episode 9. Reveal Rose's backstory (death of her sister) in episode 9. Behold, the not so polarizing episode 8.
Tbh I wouldn't have minded the random casino trip if Poe and Finn had gone on it. James' version of that storyline was exponentionally better then what actually happened
I don't understand how the Asian lady in the bomber in the beginning of the film was able to stay alive when the bomber's bay door was open.
A force field type thing keeps the atmosphere in the ship. Kinda like the hangers in the bigger ships.
Fair enough about the forcefield... But then why does her co-pilot have a mask on (suggesting he can't breath in the bomber bay)? Just so many weird decisions in this movie...
George Berry that's what I was thinking and I didn't understand what happened to the co pilot either. It just bothers me how Leia let them die and didn't use her force powers to do something
Because they wanted them to look like a ww2 bomber crew and they wore masks similar to that back then.
I don't understand why people have an issue with these things while other small fighters still fly like they're in-atmosphere most of the time. Lucas directly mimicked WWII fighter footage in the original trilogy, so I thought the whole bomber crew allusion was awesome.