I love the concept of William being a paranormal entity that throws bricks at peoples windows, wears a fursuit sensitive to water in the rain and is capable of teleportation and/or flight. Stichline, I tell ya.
Actually, under stitchlinegames+andrewMM William lured Andrew before the rain had started. Also, even though I am stitchlinegames believer, I still think that Midnight Motorist is about Aftons.
I always liked the idea that Michael was the one to discover Charlie, thus kicking off his investigations of Freddy’s. That way all three lore keeper mini-games sort of focus on a major character’s origin: William as “springtrap”, Charlie as the puppet, and Mike wanting to investigate. That just makes the most sense to me personally, fantastic theory!
I think the most narratively satisfying identity of the couch potato is Henry. It gives an explanation for why he wasn’t at the Pizzaria watching his daughter or why the security puppet needed to exist at all when he could have just been watching Charlie himself. After Michael killed the BV it makes sense that William would want someone to keep an eye on him and make sure that he doesn’t get into any more trouble while he’s off getting drunk to drown out his sorrows, so asking his friend and business partner makes the most sense. The security puppet would have been made because Henry didn’t love the idea of leaving Charlie unattended but might not have wanted her with him in William’s house with Michael who was going through a lot of trauma and may have been acting out violently. One day when William was in a drunken rage and saw Charlie outside, he knew that Henry was occupied watching Michael and so he took the opportunity to kill her while Henry wasn’t around to witness the aftermath. One thing that still doesn’t make sense is how Henry didn’t hear a window break, but I think that can be explained by the TV being too loud or because the heavy rain drowned out the sound
I think this could be true. I have to say...a lot of theories regarding this part of Midnight Motorist seem far-fetched or don't line up with what we know, but this actually makes a lot of sense and has a lot of logic behind it :)
From a storytelling perspective it just makes sense to be Micheal, the characters acting like how we know these characters act is more than enough for me, sometimes this community forgets that more than anything else, Scott thinks of himself as a storyteller, so although theorizing this game series solely on technical evidence is more than valid, approaching it with the idea in mind that the person behind the wheels is a writer and storyteller first and foremost is equally if not even more important.
@@soomi5667I have to check those out sometime. I saw Shorts about that one story about a play and its director getting frustrated with the kids' shenanigans.
10:22 Yeah, I completely agree. Given how the orange man reacts to his kid just locking a door, it doesn't make sense that he'd just silently move on if his other kid UNCONCERNEDLY TOLD him to not bother his sibling. He'd probably give the other kid sh¡t too. But his silence would make sense if it was someone who'd he give slightly more respect to. Even when drunk. Like say, another adult or his wife.
That's exactly why I cannot find sense in using "Michael may be a bully, but he still cares about his brother" as a defense. Whoever couch person is, they know about orange man's alcoholic and abusive tendencies. A child speaking to his own abusive father like that would likely just end up with the father redirecting the abuse to the child.
Something I've thought about a lot is Scott's old scottgames quote about what is seen in the shadows is misunderstood in the mind of a child. While at the time it may have been referring to Purple Guy helping a guy get a suit on and it being seen as stuffing by the CC, the idea of Purple Guy being in the shadows might mean that William is only Purple Guy when hes in the dark doing killing and other nefarious deeds (i.e. save them minigame), and otherwise his normal self can be represented with orange. Thematically this could tie in with Michael becoming Literally Purple, as Mike hue shift can then be seen as symbolic of him lowering himself into Williams realm of darkness in order that he can fix everything thats happened.
The main reason William is orange to me is to draw a connection between between Psychic Friend Fredbear and William. Another reason is to debunk Miketrap, as Scott mentioned once how he adds clarification to mistakes in the next game. In Sister location, people thought the ending cutscene meant Michael was Springtrap and the killer. Directly calling out Charlie’s killer “later that night” as someone who isn’t literally purple was meant to disprove Miketrap. At least my reasoning
It can also represent William "appearing" normal, therefore orange, to the person in the chair (who is almost definitely his wife) who would of course not know of William's murder from earlier in the day. Sort of how William in the movie is naturally only wearing normal clothing in his earlier appearances to appear innocuous before only wearing the Springbonnie suit in his later appearances due to his decision to drop the facade.
I've never seen a motorist theory that fully and cleanly fits all of the pieces and explains all of the missing shenanigans. But this is easily the most sensible.
Mike seeing Charlotte would make sense. If the bite of 83 was a plot point shared between William the antagonist and Mike the protagonist then it would make sense for the double sided character motivation thing to continue. In this case when William becomes a Child murderer Mike is set on the path to save them.
I feel like Michael breaking the window could literally be happening as he hears his father get home. This then explains zero footprints being around the mound, because he hasn't gone there yet.
I never once got BVRunaway, Mike has always made more sense and I'm really happy how it was kind of this channel that played a big part in making it so popular. Very great video love everything about it!
I'd argue Golden Freddy can still cause the footprints mainly because of the implications that Golden Freddy is haunted by Crying Child. CC visits his grieving brother and overwhelmed by guilt and grief after seeing the animatronic that kills his brother he goes to his brother's grave. It's not perfect but to me that makes as much sense as Scarecrow theory. Other than one bit of head canon I have I like this theory!
Why would the ghost *only* leave 2 footprints? Surely there should be lots or none. And add the fact that GF is always shown in suit mode, which would have a different imprint on the ground
@@danielroberts8049 people forget but, ghosts can actually touch certin objects and them leaving footprints is not too farfetched. It happens in most IRL hauntings.
Just had a (probably poorly thought out) thought: Under WillPlush, William acts drastically differently to Crying Child if that is him in the MM room. As Fredbear Plush, he tries to steer Crying Child into being brave and cautious, even if some of his actions/speech veers into what one could interpret as tough love. In MM, he's overtly aggressive and abusive, shouting at whoever is in the room to not lock their door (even though, when we see Crying Child in FNAF 4, he hates being locked in a room even if it's his own) and promising to make "him" pay when he gets back home. And, while it's not impossible for parents to have the following dynamic with their young children, parents screaming at/taking issue with their kids to not lock their door/stay holed up in their room typically happens when they are teenagers. Also under WillPlush, there are hints that William may not have a good relationship with Michael during FNAF 4. One of the very first things he says about Michael to Crying Child is "What did he do this time?" implying Mike has a history of causing his family grief/trouble.
I agree. I fr can't imagine CC breaking the window of his alcoholic, abusive father's house and running away with or running near an animatronic (which he is terrified of). Also no kid in an abusive house tells their parent not do bother someone. 💀
I can’t Believe the part where Sire Squaks said “It’s Squaking Time” and then proceeded to Destroy the Entire Fnaf theorist Community with Facts and Logic
18:45 I think the sister location opening line is again something often ignored in the fandom Baby’s location was made in response to the massive success and unfortunate closing of Freddy’s, it can’t be the Fnaf 2 location because it was opened for only a few weeks (Possibly twice but that’s a debate for another time) before it was shut down, and the Fnaf 1 is very clearly going through hard times and probably didn’t even last a year if Fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after it closes (Meaning Mike was probably the last security guard there before it closed down.) it has to be after the closure of Freddy’s 0 (Most likely due to the MCI) because of what we see in Fnaf 4, there’s tons of merch and a possible TV show it’s clear that the brand is pretty much successful at that point with the characters being seen as children’s icons (Aside from Spring Bonnie who I have to wonder was pretty much seen as the member of the group no kid liked.) Also with you bringing up the canonicity of the nightmares I think the more interesting question is that are the Funtimes Freddy’s brand characters? While they were created by Afton robotics there’s at lot in their design that would later be transferred to the Toys (Chica’s general design, Bon Bob’s brighter blue coloration and everything about Mangle and Funtime foxy) and Henry having documents from the rental company in fnaf 6’s insanity ending which you could argue that he could’ve just got them from the bunker. But personally I think it makes more sense narrative wise that the funtimes were Freddy’s characters alongside Afton’s OCs, but after baby’s closed on its first day and Afton was fired they just kept them around for the rental service unknowingly killing who knows how many people before being rendered unusable thanks to the events of sister location. Idk it’s just a random thought I had.
One note... I dont think Fazbear obtained the Bunker THAT fast. William... fired from the company he owns, with his name on it? I suspect that came later, likely when he just... vanished. No CEO? Prime pickings for being bought and absorbed...
@@higueraft571 The problem is that it’s implied that Afton had the bunker all the way back in the Fredbear days even before the bite (The Fredbear plush says enough) and also Mike was sent there specifically by Afton, meaning Afton for some reason can’t go to his own Bunker, and we know it was still active during the events of sister location since there are other employees working there. I’m not saying your theory is wrong but I think there’s some small holes.
That's not necessarily true. Hand Unit says this on night 1 "Due to the massive success and even more so the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, it was clear that the stage was set, no pun intended, for another contender is children's entertainment. Unlike most entertainment venues, our robotic entertainers are rented out for private parties during the day". If anything, that second sentence is the one that's ignored by the fandom. Hand unit isn't saying that Circus Baby's Pizza World opened up in response to the closing of Freddy's Pizza. He's saying that Circus Baby's entertainment and Rentals did. This means that at the very least, entertainment and rentals opened up after at least one of the closings of a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza location. Pretty much all your speculation on when Baby's location was opened I believe is correct, except that it's all appplied to entertainment and rentals and not pizza world. Entertainment and rentals opens as a response to Freddy's 0 closing. That essentially means that Circus Baby's pizza world (and Elizabeth's death) had to have happened sometime before the closing of the first freddy's location, leaving us with 3 possibilities. 1. During operation of Freddy's 0 2. In between the operations of Freddy's 0 and Fredbear's 3. During operation of Fredbear's And of course, the debate surrounding when Elizabeth's death happens is the difficult part.
@@DetectiveYuki I think the problem is that Babys location was open for 1 day, meaning the rental service was probably made after the restaurant closed.
@@DetectiveYuki The rentals service opened shortly after Circus Baby's pizza world. The source code in the "Cancelled due to leaks" teaser says so. "If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!"
not to forget that if it really was afton luring andrew by throwing a brick at the window and flying away, it would still not explain how his *springlock* suit doesn't kill him in the *rain*
Nice theory :D I personally do think the footprints are Golden Freddy, largely in the way Game Theory portrayed it in their ultimate timeline. It's Mike's brother returning home and largely just getting confused, kinda similar to the story Coming Home with Susie and her sister. So yeah, it's a ghost leaving footprints, but I mean, they can write so *shrug* :3 But yeah, this is an interesting idea too. I could definitely see this being the case. I think either way this almost HAS to be Mike. It just makes the most sense to me.
One thing to keep in mind about the footprints is that this is an 8-bit minigame retelling what happened, if it was a ghost or something like golden freddy, we as the player would have no idea they were there without having the footprints
@@siresquawksWhat kind of questions? We know GF can teleport and affect the physical world. Genuinely curious because Golden boi has always been an anomaly.
I like your approach, Michael has been more aggressive so William starts to keep tabs on them by using decoys and cameras, one night Michael was already having a bad time trying to sleep and he sees an animatronic out of the window so he throw something out of the window then he realizes that animatronic was a decoy, he took with him and get rid of it.
I like the idea of Michael seeing Charlie's corpse rather than the BV a lot. If the BV saw Charlie that means he saw a dead body (Which a lot of BVrunners believe) , got traumatized.... and got mocked and bullied from the trauma from seeing some he likely new and probably was on good terms with's dead lifeless corpse in the middle of the night... and got killed because of it. One of the main bullies being his oldest brother. That makes everyone in FNAF 4 a huge fucking asshole more than they already are. Kids aren't saints for sure but at the same time they would have had known murder had taken place here recently and still mocked that he was reasonably scared of being murdered. And I'm pretty sure that Charlie's death wasn't a missing person's incident. They all knew she died no ifs or buts about it. But also it doesn't line up for what the NPCS in FNAF 4 say when talking to BV if that's what he did see, they either talk about how cool Freddy's is and the party or tease the BV about his fears that they play off as nonsense. The pigtail girl's lines everyone uses to try and prove MCI83 come off as more as some shit she made up on the spot to scare him as a fake scary story rather than something she knows happened "Why are you so scared? See you at the party ha ha ha" then there's Freddy mask bully (Or atleast the kid who looks like them) straight up says "Hahaha! No one is else is scared! Why are you? Quit being a baby!" oh gee maybe because a child murder is currently on the loose! Also this means nobody else is really scared of being next? *Really?* Again kids aren't saints and certainly aren't the smartest but under BVrunner and BV seeing charlie's dead corpse they come off as assholes or idiots and honestly both. Michael's character also gets worst because he goes from this older brother willing to step up to his drunk abusive father who then suddenly breaks bad after seeing his traumatized brother crying over seeing a dead body and later ends up getting his smaller brother killed because he thought his brother's trauma was funny that's a near complete 180 from how if he was both couchman and foxybro. Michael seeing the corpse is makes much more since and having his motive to hope around Freddy's locations start at Charlie's murder him wanting to find Charlie's murderer to not only bring him to justice but to relive guilt over the bite and redeem himself honestly is way more narrative satisfying and the story gets better in general. It also explains why he went to the FNAF 1 - 2 locations in the first place. He's looking for evidence of the murderer which gives "Tampering with the Animatronics" more meaning because up until now it was just a power trip he gave himself for the lols but now we know he was likely looking for finger prints, anything left behind in the suits or maybe even the bodies themselves. Hell it could be possible he was the MCI-Era's nightgaurd looking for clues depending how old he was (IMO that would be a better game than any possible fredbear dinner game lore and story wise.). Then there's the whole "What is seen in the dark is often misunderstood in the eyes of a child" quote which has always made me think that what the BV saw is really nothing important and really the game shows us this in the purple man easteregg which shows William help an employee inside a suit which in the eyes of a small child would look scary. Some people do argue that he saw the puppet hold Charlie and thought he had killed her or fucking shadow freddy showing the BV and bv thought he was fredbear but your window footprints disprove Shadowf doing anything towards the window. Besides it doesn't add up to what we see in FNAF 4. They mock him because he saw really nothing at all and are just teasing him for being irrational as nothing has happened... yet.. Great video squawk
Admittedly, as another interpretation: The Black Figure is Michael Both Grey Figures are CC and Elizabeth? Two younger siblings, with their Older Brother.
@@siresquawksCertainly not as much of a stretch as some theories... Like "Oh we're Cassidy's father William kidnapped Cassidy to MCI her", Implying he left the building, walked through the woods (in the rain) in a Springlock, smashed a window, grabbed a child (noclip cheat enabled), dragged them *back* through the woods (still a soggy fuck) into the Location, straight into the Saferoom, just to shove the child in a Springlock Suit and Cap'n Crunch the to-be TOYSHNK :V
I agree with most of this theory but I still find Golden Freddy/Crying Child being responsible for the tracks makes the most sense. He doesn't need to break the window or does the mound need to be his grave, all he has to do is just haunt Mike, which would also give him a reason to check out Freddy's and play into Mike telling his father about the hauntings in Freddy's only for it to be deflected as per the theory.
Okay awesome. Your video has inspired me to make the most outlandish theory possible. I believe that the Orange guy is a guy named Freddy because they're both orange. Also William Afton was outside of the window, he did throw a brick, and he also can teleport. The person inside the house is Michael, and the person who was supposed to be inside of the room was also Michael. It's all Michael. Midnight Motorist is telling us the story of Freddy coming home from his job as a British racecar driver where he speaks to his wife, Michael Afton, about their son, Michael Afton, who was kidnapped by the ghost of William Afton (who is unrelated to either Michael or Michael in this story). MIDNIGHT MOTORIST SOLVED
Finally a theory for Midnight Motorist that's not making absurd leaps in logic and nonsensically trying to force book elements into the game lore. I think you pretty much nailed the broad strokes here. Assuming your theory holds true, then we should consider that maybe fredbear plush in fnaf 4s orange and Williams orange here could represent Williams parental side. Fred plush from 4 could have been the dying crying child projecting his father into his plush bear, just like in that horror game Among The Sleep. Teddy bears often are seen by children as bedtime protectors and are usually gifted personality traits resembling their father. Scott may have retconned the bite of 87 to 83 in an attempt to get us to understand that the crying child died first. After Michael runs away then William goes mad and starts killing kids if he can't have a family then others shouldn't have one either type of deal. The headless animatronic from the FNAF 4 mini game may not have had a body stuffed in it; a child seeing a headless animatronic would freak out either way. Plenty of examples from Disneyland over the years. Most importantly, out of all the known canonical FNaF characters Michael seems to be the only logical possibility. The Crying child always responded to fear with paralysis, running away for him in the dead of night is beyond the realm of believability, Teenager runaways all too common and believable. 😱
While I’m not convinced on the later that night minigame, I do think you did a great job pointing out contradictions and alternative theories. I do like the Mrs. Afton watching tv with her sons theory. The immortal and the restless theory is where you really won me over. The whole, “There is no baby, it’s about William denying Freddy’s hauntings to Michael” is mind blowing. First time I’ve seen this theory and I’m amazed.
I don’t understand scarecrow theory because it just doesn’t like something William would do. I feel William would’ve been more subtle observing, considering the fact the guy can and has gotten away with murder. The Fredbear plush was subtle in monitoring CC, so why switch it to something so obvious? You could say it’s a punishment for him, but again, it doesn’t fit William’s MO in terms of always being subtle or manipulative like with the nightmares or even the Funtimes seeming innocent on the outside, but really just murderous robots to slaughter children faster. I think it was Golden Freddy not luring him to the pizzaria, but rather taunting him or trying to reach out to him to show he’s still there. It explains the footprints since CC’s body could be in that weird patch of grass in the clearing of Midnight Motorist. That’s CC’s grave with his body, but the soul transferred to the golden bear in death. Plus, the bear could be what spurred on his investigation outside of Charlie’s death. Seeing something like that would mess with a person, and can still connect to Immortal and the Restless. He’d be told he’s crazy for what he sees, but he knows it’s real. Imagine: CC visits Michael with visions of the golden bear, leaving his brother terrified to the point that, when he disappears, he goes to check if CC’s still buried there. This goes on with Mike rushing out when he has those visions to check CC’s grave until Henry watches over him one night. He knows and can’t escape that way, so he breaks the window out of desperation. William gets fed up with these shenanigans by this point and puts Mike in a room with no window and no doors that lock from the inside so he can’t leave. With no vantage point, CC can’t contact him anymore and abandons trying to speak to him until Mike works in the FNAF 1 location. Of course, this is MatPat’s theory trying to explain it and is an explanation for what happened. It’s a lot of assumptions and holes, but then again, so are most theories when it comes to Midnight Motorist. I’m not bashing the video at all, by the way. I really enjoyed it and like a lot of the things you said and agree with most of it. This is just the one thing I personally disagree with.
Glad you liked the video. Honestly the footprints are the thing I’m the most mixed on. For it to be supernatural it requires either Golden or Shadow Freddy to exist around the time of Charlie’s death. The former only really works if goldenboth/duo or like theories are true, which is a theory I’m personally even more mixed on in terms of believing. Shadow Freddy has similar levels of oddity to being at this point in time. Scarecrow theory exists to Segway into the nightmares, like a first draft before things are stepped up, and prompt William to need to step up, since his early attempt(s) (mikes been running away for a while so this wouldn’t be William’s first response) don’t work. Of course if this was the implication it does raise the question of what happened to it? While I this video I suggest it was the buried thing, I know side more with the lump being the Fnaf 4 box with BV’s happiest day Fredbear Mask (this will be mentioned in a new video), so that leaves the scarecrow nowhere to go. It’s a complicated subject that can be largely dictated by what assumptions you make about GF and the BV. This kind of interpretation you deposit is plausible, but I’m still waiting for that explanation that fully clicks with me you know? It’s an ever evolving subject.
I’d really like to thank you for all the time and effort you put into crafting these theories. It’s crazy how you’re able to keep track of all of this absurd, extensive, and even contradictory information, enough to make logical enough theories like these . This is what I wish game theory‘s stuff would be like. Without you, I would’ve stopped caring about fnaf, so thank you again :)
One idea I have had for a long time is that the nightmare animatronics are based off of the physical abuse of William to Michael. I also believe the reason why he runs away is that he's afraid of his father so he's just running so he can run there doesn't have to be a set location for him to go to he's just running away. Another thing is that william had so much money after the success of fredbear's Family diner think about it about it I also think that the TV show you see in FNAF 4 is actually supposed to give you a perspective of how much of success it was to show how much it's made that it got its own TV show. Personally I do agree with this Theory in my opinion I know sounds crazy I don't think midnight Motors is that confusing one thing I always say if you want a complete story a lot of the time the crime child has to die first.
Man I loved this video! The way you explained your points and evidence was like hearing a story, I could kind of totally see an animated series based on the fnaf games. Especially a scene where Michael runs away, and finds Charlie’s body underneath the security puppet. Calling the police in the rain, maybe William finding him and bringing him home. Good stuff man! Also edit: wanted the give cudos to the editing too, you make the material very engaging (I think that’s the word?). Plus I love the custom sprites and silly animations like with brick William
Okay, I've been obsessed for the past week with the idea that the crying child and the vengeful spirit are the same spirit and Mike is the one experiencing hell in UCN. The way Chica talks to the player in that game - "I was the first, I have seen everything. / I have seen him, the one you should not have killed!" There's no logical reason for the vengeful spirit to not be Chica if we're talking about William's victims. You could brush it off, but the idea that the crying child is the vengeful spirit...it fixes so many of those plot holes. The idea of the crying child's soul being fractured - speaking through the mediocre melodies in UCN. Unfortunately I'm not a fnaf theorist and this series doesn't take up enough space in my brain to keep track of how many plot holes that assumption would cause and thus idk if its a valid theory or not. I have literally only played pizzeria simulator (the runs that dont require any animatronics to try and kill you during the night) and fnaf world because i dont play horror games and I have read exactly 0 of the books and I don't plan on changing that. So like I said, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But I can't stop thinking about it, I think I need to go through all of Game Theory's videos (particularly including the ones where various theorists from the community just discuss shit) so I can stop obsessing over the viability of this theory. (also, commenting while this page says there are 69 comments for me so i apologize for ruining the funny number)
I mean why would she be more vengeful than Charlie who Henry says is the first if death order is the deciding factor? Dying first in the MCI (or coming to life first in my interpretation) doesn't make a character more vengeful. I talk about MikeHell (the theory you're depositing) in my "Mike: the fleshed out character" video briefly, but there are dozens of problems. The most glaring being that Nightmarionne says "I am the fearful reflection of what you have created" referencing how he's the horrific version of the Puppet which William created by killing Charlie.
@@siresquawks That's a good point, Chica and Henry do contradict each other after all. After reviewing the quotes a bit more I go back and forth. It really feels like they're speaking to two different characters here and it's really confusing. We just still don't have a motivation for Cassidy other than "one kid got mad about being murdered" but considering another kid explicitly says she doesn't hate the player (presumably William) despite what he did. But also, "it's me" has been Golden Freddy's catchphrase for so long, and presumably to Mike in games where the fandom says Mike was the player character. It's just... a lot of stuff doesn't fit, and a lot of stuff does fit, but that's how the FNAF theorizing cookie crumbles I suppose.
"and also William being a drunk and abusive just lines up a lot more" This is actually what makes me second guess my inclination to say its definitely William. Nothing at all about William's character suggests this kind of impulsive and thoughtless behavior. Just the opposite, every action and line of dialogue of his in the entire franchise is extremely thoughtful and intentional. The only basis the community seems to have for saying this "lines up" is because William is a bad guy, and drinking and being abusive is the kind of thing bad guys in general do, not anything related to William specifically. There's no specific basis for saying that any of the behaviors of Orange guy are similar to the behaviors of William. This is a fan invention, not a canon invention. We have very very few examples of how William directly behaved with his children, and of the examples we have, none of them are similar to, or as careless as, Orange guy. We certainly have no evidence of William being a sloppy drunk. I'm still overwhelmingly inclined to think Orange guy is William, if for no other reason than lack of plausible alternatives. Henry doesn't fit, and we have almost zero other adult men in the series it could even hypothetically be. Still, its worth mentioning that if this is William, its unusual behavior for William in the series, at least as far as we've actually seen.
@@siresquawks 100% speculation, not based on anything pre-existing in the canon. Sure, maybe it was drunken and impulsive the first time, and he became a craftier and more thoughtful person over time, but we have no basis to say that one way or the other. Its not unreasonable speculation, but being speculation, it cannot be supporting evidence.
@@JD-xz1mxHe most DEFINITELY was abusive, as a note. If William is speaking through the plush in 4. He is using CC's fears as a weapon, ans pitting him against/demonizing Michael. Not really for any reason, as far as we know... He trapped Elizabeth in a bunker, with an on-demand Shock system. (In the books, not the games) He also gave her a pretty hefty Slap, alongside her generally being depicted as a "Golden Child" who needs his Attention/Validation. Something we likely see in FNAF 6, how she keeps talking to William, seeking his Approval constantly. At least a few cases of Negligence, Emotional/Psychological Abuse, and Physical Abuse...
I never thought about the Nightmare’s not being actual animatronics made to torment Mike or CC but as surveillance scarecrows that become literal nightmares in their dreams. It also explains why in UCN one of the nightmares says "I am the fearful reflection of what you have created". Why a reflection if William really made them that way? This makes a lot more sense.
Counter point, Williams first solution to every other problem in the series is to build a robot, as overly complicated as possible. Psychic friend fred bear, the fun times, and the spring lock suits.
It really isn't, it's more about leaving that bread crumb for future theory fodder, we have a set behavior for William that we can attribute to him, and that could come in use down the line.
As for the relevance to the theory, it is 100% in his M. O. for William to make 5 robots (assuming Nightmare is a worn down Nightmare Golden Freddy, otherwise it's 6 or 7 depending on the canonicity of Nightmarion) with the exclusive purpose of scaring his remaining child or children from getting close to the machines in the future. A key point of this is that Nightmare Freddy very clearly picks up the protag during FNAF 4. This presents a strong case for the Nightmares having been real machines at some point, in addition to other factors. Mat Pat made a short detailing how its very likely that sound discs give the nightmares their appearance. The big takeaway there is that Golden Freddy's sound disc failed during the events of FNAF4 pointing to either a lack of maintenance or a design flaw.
I actually really like that you incorporated the flashing tv screen thing from FNaF World into your theory since, at least to me, it feels like Scott is hinting that the screen serves a purpose with Old Man Consequences appearing in UCN and the fact the way you access this screen is the same thing you do in UCN. Nobody talks about this screen but it’s something that has been gnawing at the back of my head for years
Great video Sire Squawks! Who the runway in Midnight Motorist is, is definetly a touchy subject for sure, but all I can say is this is a great video!! I wanted to comment on how GRATEFUL I AM, for you pointing out the logbook thing, because some people still to not get the whole Michael having nightmares thing. It's also why I have the theory that I dont believe HW2 will have FNAF4 in it, because if it's an ingame minigame, it's impossible from a lore standpoint. The reason inplace of FNAF4, Help Wanted had those extra minigames is because there just wasnt a way for Fazbear Entertainment to know what Michael had dreamnt about, they took his concept design for Nightmare Fredbear, and just created the other characters based on it, and made up random scenarios because they didnt know what could have possibly occured! Now this may be inconsistent with the fact that FNAF3 VR has the phantoms since they are illusions and dont exist, but regardlessly, great to see someone point this out! :) The logbook is such a misundestood piece of item, alone for the fact people dont get Michael couldnt have had his logbook post FNAF1, since that would have been confiscated along his uniform when he got fired. Anywayzzz, cant wait for the next video! Xo
This would make sense considering fnaf 6 was meant to be the final lore bit in the mainline series. This would explain why the houses are different, and show the start or Mike's experiences with the animatronics
I still absolutely love this video, one of my favorite theories of yours (ultimate dream theory has my heart) it's my accepted canon to Midnight Motorist lol. And it just makes the most sense imo compared to other theories? I can see Scott wanting to show what life was like in the Afton household after all that tragic shit happened. William is drunk and angry, Mrs Afton is depressed and catatonic, and Micheal disobeys and acts out I also love CCfirst. I love the idea that this little scaredy-cat wimpy child's death was the inciting incident of all the tragedy, death and pain throughout the story That lump of dirt pisses me tf off tho lol
Had another another thought: Orange Guy is supposed to be William, almost everyone agrees on that. And that he's orange to distinguish him from Michael (whose purple skin in Sister Location caused a lot of confusion). So, if "Couch Person" is Michael (and gray here as he was in FNAF 4), why is William depicted as orange instead of purple? There would be no confusion on who is who?
@@Emanuel-qo1jwI've heard that before, too. Though, with William's appearance in FNAF 4, I'm not sure how well that holds up. Edit: Actually, I may have heard that it's him "(hiding) in the shadows" not necessarily committing crimes.
15:28 According to the logbook, he took his first Freddy's job because employees are offered free pizza, and it would be strange if he took his first job in 1987 for _one day,_ tampered with the robots and got fired, and then tried again six years later. It seems like he wasn't really aware of anything until he took his first Freddy's job, which _can_ be either 1987 or 1993, but is probably 1993 going by this logic. Semi-related, but this would also place Sister Location after FNaF 1, assuming 1993 is his first job. SamBar has a pretty good video on Mike as a character that informed most of this comment.
1:25 Going based off your statement here, I'm assuming that you're refrencing real life for your argument. As a security guard and just living in the city, whether a security guard stands outside of the building is just dependent on what kind of building it is or what they're there for. There are security guards that stand right outside of Hot Topic, I'm a guard that stands outside of a building to check bags for 8 hours a day. Something recent doesn't need to have happened, it's just an average thing to do. And if not outside the building, right at the front door but inside.
I feel like orange man literally HAS to be William because why would Scott create and semi flesh out an entirely new character for a single mini game when it’s the sixth entry of his game series which was intended to be the finale. All the other adults in the series are never shown to act this way so the only character that would really fit as an abusive drunk father is William. I’ve heard the argument that the other two mini games in Pizza Sim are about victims so midnight motorist has to be about one of William’s victims as well, but if that’s the case why would we be getting so much information about the victim’s parent/guardian to the point that we’re literally playing as them if the point of the mini game is actually the fate of the runaway/“victim” which we never find out.
@@SCP-469Yep and this minigame goes out of its way to show that this person is the only person who drives a purple car since no other car at JR'S is purple (with some even repeating colors).
Dave’s theme playing in the “What Is He On About Zone” was hilarious Also yep, I definitely agree when it comes to who is who in this minigame. It just makes the most sense narratively, and honestly I think that’s more important than looking into text color and whatnot (though Tbf I don’t know why Scott made William orange, like William is a character with well-known motifs of rabbits and the color purple, of course this would confuse us). Any other interpretation seems strange and forced to me.
I did mention that in the original script but the transition and segment was clunky but yeah that's most likely the logistical answer, but we don't know how much the scale's been altered by.
I'm sure this was really obvious to people brighter than I am, but I just thought about how purple is on the opposite side of the color wheel to yellow. This led me down a long tangent of various ideas that many people already came up with (Henry being yellow guy, Mike being yellow guy, etc.), but then I realized; why make this more complicated? I mean, this series has possibly the most convoluted and unnecessarily drawn out lore ever. In a game that was specifically Scott's way of tying loose ends, why would he make things intentionally difficult? I followed that same idea and thought of the most common questions Scott was getting at this time and that's when I thought of this. This is Scott's way of showing us how things actually started. This is literally showing us how purple guy became purple guy, hence why he's yellow. He was trying to show us who purple guy was before he was evil, when he was on the opposite side of the spectrum. At this time, he was still yellow because he was still good. (Side note: No, abuse isn't good but when compared with murder, it's not that horrible.) I believe that at this time, Fredbear's had been shut down earlier that day due to the crying child incident. I don't believe that either William or Henry knew the full extent of what went on for reasons I'll get to later. William, distraught and furious that Henry's animatronic was responsible for something he could only imagine was the end of their joint business venture, had spent the whole day at JR's (which I'm assuming is a local bar). This would explain why in the actual mini game we can swerve erratically on the road, and would also explain why he's turned away from JR's by Henry who was likely there for the same reasons. Now to be honest, the mound still doesn't really make sense here. However, I'm gonna assume that this could be the entrance to William's surveillance area since we know it would have existed around this time and it explains why no dialogue happens when we approach as William would know exactly what the purpose of it is. William goes into the house and runs into who I'm assuming is Mike. If William doesn't know what's happened and Mike is terrified of his dad finding out what happened, him wanting his dad to not see the outside of the room and put the pieces together is perfectly reasonable. I think it's entirely possible that William knows his son witnessed something horrific, but doesn't know exactly what and he has no reason to think anything more yet. I also think it's possible for Mike to be in such a state of grief and guilt that he's unable to articulate what happened to his father. I believe the reason why William still knocked on the crying child's door is similarly because he has no idea yet that his son is dead, otherwise why knock on his door? Here's where things get weird. I think that what we're looking at in the backyard is what happened before the crying child is killed. I believe that Michael and his friends donned the animatronic masks to scare the crying child into going to Fredbear's so that they could continue their "prank" on him there. From what we see in FNAF 4, it's obvious he would only go there as a last resort. I think that it's possible the animatronic footprint we see is from either Mike or one of his friends donning an animatronic suit without parts similar to William's bunny suit before having animatronics. This explains both the footprints and the broken window as well. I think that Midnight Motorist as a whole is supposed to show that as of now, William is not a killer. It's only after he discovers what happened to his son, Mike's role in that, and that it was Henry's faulty animatronic parts that killed his son that he kills Charlotte as a sort of payback. Midnight Motorist is supposed to showcase the tragedy before the tragedy, and how the already unstable and jealous William was able to transform seamlessly into the cold blooded and sadistic purple guy we all know. I know this theory requires a LOT of suspension of belief and it certainly isn't perfect, but it at least explains why purple guy is distinctly not purple here and why it seems as though William is the only one out of the loop but is still upset.
It might be a stretch but have a small addition to that theory, if this mini game takes place the same night as Charlie’s death, maybe if golden Freddy was the one outside of Micheal’s window, maybe his brother was trying to help Charlie or tell Micheal about her death.
Every theory on midnight motorist is either: “it’s mike running away to grieve the crying child and the person on the couch is ms Afton” or “it’s the key to the entire lore everything changes” but they can’t agree
No? I'm not even sure what this comment is getting at. Until recently/ past half year Mike running away was a very niche theory? Also I've only seen a few people claim it changes everything, and typically those are the crack head theories people don't really believe.
18:32 On your point about Afton being loaded, I think the idea of all the pizza places being dirt poor and struggling mainly came from the fact that a lot of the games seemingly take place after or before their glory days I know for sure a lot of people were confused when Security Breach came out "Where the hell did all this money come from?!" I also think a lot of people just kinda assume "its like a crappy chuck e cheese" because thats what the establishment was based on. So a lot of people attach the struggling businesses stereotypes to Freddy's I could very easily imagine Afton making a patent for his spring lock system and making loads of cash off of it selling it to different pizzerias and what not but because its never directly shown in game or in the books, its just kinda ignored in favor of the popular opinion of the fanbase.
I still believe that the animatronic outside the window is Golden Freddy--because if Mike is going to "that place /again/", he doesn't need to follow Golden Freddy. Just to see him. I believe that the house in the MM game is Henry's, and that he's the one on the couch. William and Mrs. Afton split not long after the Crying Child's death, and Mrs. Afton doesn't want Mike around, so they both have to find a new house. They stay with Henry for a couple of days until they can find an apartment or such. MM takes place during that time where they're still house-searching. (This would also explain how William would know where Charlie was. She was going to a birthday party or something at Freddy's and he knew because he was staying at Henry's house. Or Henry has realized William's behavior is problematic and is having Charlie spend more time at Freddy's until he can get William out of the house. If they've only been there a day or two, this would make sense. Henry may also be avoiding kicking them out because he's concerned for Mike's safety.) In this scenario, after Golden Freddy, an animatronic Henry built, gets a kid killed, he takes the animatronic (or at least the suit) and buries it in the forest near his house. However, as the Crying Child is possessing Golden Freddy, his spirit comes along with. At one point or another, Mike decides to visit the mound (it might be the best option he's got as a memorial for his brother that he can access), and sees Golden Freddy standing around (and probably acting confused, since he's only recently become possessed). Mike realizes it's the spirit of his brother and begins visiting him to keep him company. Sometimes, Golden Freddy appears outside Mike's window when he's lonely--or, even better, he appears to warn Mike when William is coming home. Mike knows where to go, so Golden Freddy will simply teleport back to the mound. We don't see any footprints there when William visits, because Mike simply hasn't arrived at the mound yet. If the rain is the reason he was leaving footprints, then there wouldn't be tracks from previous visits. The reason there's no glass around the window may be because Mike broke it a day or two ago, and it hasn't been replaced yet, but the glass has been cleaned up. The question, of course, is why Golden Freddy wouldn't be hostile towards Mike. But ask yourself this--when, in the games, is he actually hostile towards Mike? He just sits there and says "it's me". He's broken and lonely. He probably just misses his family, or struggles to remember his life, as you posited in the video, though is aware enough to at least remember Mike is his brother. Great video, very thought-provoking, and helped me think deeper about my opinion on it.
I have always thought that about the FNAF2 cutscenes, that we're seeing the original pizzeria and MCI awakenings, as it were. The main counters I've seen to that are that they are the FNAF1 versions of the suits, and not the pre-withered Withereds which must have looked different, and that the scenes are apparently listed as dreams in the source or whatever, which I don't put a lot of stock in, especially after learning "man on couch" was a bunch of bunk. The idea that they're just dreams certainly sounds like the simplest answer, until you start asking whose dreams they are and then things get really complicated, especially if you put stock into "FNAF1 suits =/= Pre-Withered suits", because then we have to believe Jeremy or Michael had straight up visions of the future. The stuff about how the weird visual details of FNAF4 match the FNAF3 minigames was a bit of a mind blowing moment for me, as well as a moment of extreme annoyance that once again, FNAF4 just threw these things (and like fifty other random details) out there in a nigh impossible puzzle piece fashion and said, "Fix it." lol
I like the theory that Afton himself was standing out of the window to scare/monitor whoever was in the room. The reason he can't do that during Later That Night is due to the rain.
William could have put the spring Bonnie suit out front of the window every night to keep Mike in but since it is raining the suit would lock so it William had to put it away and Mike saw his chance to escape.
Been personally working on a timeline for awhile now and I do agree that Mike is the runaway but man this is one of those parts of the lore I wish was either explained better or wasn't included at all. It's filled with Scott-isms like a Orange Guy and a Green Guy at first but then a normal human? But is it just a bald person? A man? A woman? Anything to clarify their age?? Scott why. My isssue is that we have no idea who couch person is. Personally, it makes sense if William's father is babysitting but there's literally 0 evidence that William has a father in his life alive at this time. I assumed the wife would either be dead or separated from William at this point. It's too vague. The mound is also super unclear. I have various ideas but honestly none of them could ever be confirmed. It might be a door that leads to his bunker, but it also might be his son's grave. Or maybe it's the box! Who knows. Anyways, great video! Gave me a lot ot think about. One other things I noted from the video: 2:08 I also think this is the kids waking up to their new bodies, but it does bother me that they're in their FNAF1 designs when they should be in the an unwithered version of their designs from FNAF2. Unless that scene is just showing how they woke up in their new shells before FNAF1 happened.
I have legit been yelling about this, i do like the idea of maybe the scarecrow idea threw something to try to scare him but broke the window, mike took the opportunity to go and take that thing and bury it so it doesn't come back. But love this idea and glad you were thinking about it, and if somehow this theory is wrong or something, its better than "roBot ChIlDren" like robo kids are a cool idea but so tired of hearing it as gospel and not just a theory. I think Scott really tried to tie everything together, it made sense to him, but I think he didn't realize that we didn't understand the 4th game, which then made it hard to understand the rest of the games and the use of the books, and i like the books, but hate the idea of tieing it to the games, as it makes it harder to understand. Keep up the great work man, sorry that other theorists get all the fame and shit, but you deserve it more as you spit facts and logic.
I think Mike was tortured after the bite and the FNAF 4 gameplay is nightmares of his times being tortured along with a fusion of the crying child's nightmares since we know his spirit follows Michael after FNAF 1
I think its pretty much confirmed at this point, but the house in the woods is probably Mrs. Afton's house because Afton himself has the house over his bunker and next to Fredbears? Was the house in the woods the first house but then whenever his wife leaves him and Michael live next to Fredbear's? And then why does the house in fnaf 4 minigames look so different from the gameplay? And also, which house does Michael go home too after Sister Location? The house in the woods seems similar because of the TV, but if its the one by Fredbears, then he literally just goes up and down the elevator each day right back into the house. If the theories about the FNAF 6 location being Fredbears is true, then it would mean that Mike's room in Security Breach could literally be part of the house above sister location.
Here's why I think even is the runaway. The person in the unmarked grave is Elisabeth. William didn't want anyone to find out that one of his animatronics killed his daughter because it would ruin everything. He buried her in the backyard.
That gets into the debate over who died first of course. People reason that the reason her bedroom is empty is simply because she isn't there and everyone always throws out how the Funtimes don't make much sense without putting Evan back together as motivation. This isn't as relevant if you see William as an insane and deranged murderer from the start, but that is less narratively satisfying. On the other hand, if Evan's death is bad publicity or simply a touchy subject, that could also explain the separate grave for Evan. And it doesn't even need to be a grave since it is technically a mound of dirt, it could be literally anything buried, or nothing buried and something else entirely. And here's a thought that randomly entered my head as writing this: What if that's where William hid Charlie's body?
Evan kept going to go see Elizabeth wich angered William. He uses his spring Bonnie suit to keep even from running away. That night it was raining so William couldn't use the spring Bonnie suit because he would die and even ran away again. William than created the nightmares and the torcher room to punish evan and Michael. Michael turns on evan and starts bullying him so that he doesn't run off again. Leading to Michael going to far and killed evan on accident.
@@Starkiller-ob2ftNote, "Evan" isnt a Canon name. And also keep in mind, the mound is likely *NOT* "that place". We dont see anyone there, or footprints. Yet he SHOULD be there, right?
@@Starkiller-ob2ftI’m sorry no I’m just going to skip the very obvious problems of Elizabeth dying before the bite victim Why the hell would Willam have such a strong reaction to the bite victim visiting his sisters grave? Also this “Mike turns on his brother” narrative I’ve seen popping up is just absurd If Michael was put in the “torture room” with nightmares along with the bite victim why isn’t Mike scarred of the animatronic? The way mike bullies the crying child implies Mike thinks his fears are dumb and not valid
13:42 Ok, but I have a question: Why is Bite Victim the same size as Michael? We see them both in FNaF 4, Michael is not the same size as BV, so if that _is_ Mrs. Afton, and those are BV and Mike, why are they both the same size? Personally, I believe there's another possibility: Mike, Elizabeth and BV are watching TV to escape the reality of their disfunctional family. Both figures are shrouded in grey, but the figure in the middle is shrouded in black, as a shadow, Purple in old games is associated with Shadows, it's why William Afton _is_ a Purple Man, he's clouded in shadows, and who is also a Purple Man? Michael. So personally, I think it's Mike, Liz and BV watching TV instead of Mrs. Afton, BV and Mike, as you say.
I mean it could just be simplicity to show two kids and adult, also I'm very hesitant to make theory's that focus on Elizabeth Prior to sister location, as World and 4 were written and planned to be the end. Scott does do retroactive continuity but I do think some images and concepts were made with specific take-aways. Plus by the same logic, why is Mike so much bigger than the other two? And different ages of kids grow at different rates. A 5 year old mike and a 3 year old BV would be similar scale, and while Mike is taller in 4 he's not impossibly taller, especially compared to adult sprites like the fredbear employee and William.
I was thinking about exactly all of this and then I found your channel and multiple videos agreeing with my theories. It is better from a narrative and standpoint and makes more sense. I also think that the animatronic put outside was a blank suit like seen in the twisted ones with an illusion disc to look like nightmare Fredbear which is why Mike draws him in the LogBook.
Amazing video!!! About the scarecrow idea: could it be that William put fredbear in front of Mike's bedroom in midnight motorist? I imagine the posessed fredbear would be much scarier than other scarecrow candidates. Then there would be the "its me"s coming from the crying child's soul, and the teleportation problem would be eliminated as well. As for the mound, mabe Mike buried the suit...? not quite sure about the continuation ngl. The fredbear might not be too heavy as people can move around when inside the suits, but not sure.
It is scary how most of the theories you present just... Make sense. Somehow, by writing these videos, you're making the mess that is FNAF's narrative not only logical, but like a satisfying story with actual logical connections. I really hope someday you do a whole timeline, I'm really curious how you'd present it all.
@@siresquawks they go in the direction of behind the bush. I get what your saying but the other two mini games are about Williams murders it just makes sense that midnight motorists is as well, charle the kind spirit, Susie a member of the mci, and Cassidy the vengeful spirit (also apart of the mci). But I could be wrong.
@@TiredMoonRabbit Someone pointed out the "connecting thread" (I don't know why all three minigames have to be connected via theme that's kind a just an idea people made up) might just be cars. Susie's dog gets run over, William steps out of his car to kill Charlie, and Midnight Motorist.
2:18 my problem with this little theory is that in the cutscenes we see the classic animatronics and not the ones from fnaf 2 (sure you could say Scott didn't want to make fixed withered animatronics models but he wouldn't really need to make Fixed Freddy, maybe he could fix up Chica's head a little but not too much and give Bonnie a second arm and a face so it wouldn't be that hard(
I have a video on this discrepancy, but basically it implies that the classics ARE what the fixed withered's looked like and the design changes are because of the Endo 02's being put around them rather than the 01s.
I know a lot people put Elizabeth’s death after Fnaf 2 as that’s when William discovered remnant, but I’ve always believed it happened in 1986, because it’s the only year that’d fit with both circus baby’s pizza world opening and closing and the rental service opening up after that, I mean that’s the only year we don’t really have a pizzeria set for, we have Fredbear’s in 1983, multiple Freddy’s open between 1983-1985, Fnaf 2 in 1987 and Fnaf 1 in 1988-1993 with 1993 being the last we hear of a Freddy’s being open, plus in the Fnaf 2 phone calls phone guy talks about the withereds acting like the Fnaf 1 robots with moving around at night and stuffing guards into suits at their old location so it would make sense if William saw that and that was what started circus baby’s and research into remnant, plus it would fit with Michaels arc, because sure if you parallel from the books with this then it could be in the case of the games like the books with the original mci that even tho William was arrested and released, the general public thought it was Henry so they’d be excited to see a new pizzeria open from William because they thought he was innocent, but by the time of the DCI and Fnaf 2 they 100% know it’s William since he sneaks in under a fake name and, if it’s like the books and the police compare photos and see that one of their new employees look similar to William, they would be cornering him and he’d have to go on the run, which is why Michael would come to Fnaf 2 because his dad has went on the run and everyone’s accusing him of being the killer, Michael could be hopping pizzeria to pizzeria trying to either find proof William is the killer or trying to disprove it, tampering with the animatronics could be that he has zero engineering skills and maybe planned to put them to zero and deactivate them but accidentally put them on 20 which caused him to face against them, which from here on Michael and William are the last two surviving members and with William on the run and Michael trying to follow his tracks, with William eventually contacting him not knowing he was trying to investigate him and sending him to SL which Michael goes to, but skip forward to the end of the game and Michaels a rotting corpse with Ennard bailing out of him, he goes to find his dad but he’s missing for good this time because he’s been springlocked, Michael vows to find him then the rest of the timeline plays out, that’s my interpretation because it still would make sense with the original story and fits sister location in reasonable places, but hey that’s just a theory, and for all I know I could be horribly horribly wrong 😭, love the videos and theories Sire! Keep up the good work 💯
18:57 There's also the Fnaf 2 newspaper about the animatronics getting scraped and stuff that mentions something about if they reopen one day I'll be on a smaller budget. Of course that's not important to this theory since just like the Fnaf 1 newspaper it takes place AFTER the murders happened.
So, one week before this, Brussel did his own interpretation about MM, which is directly contrary to this one. But both make the exact same amount of sense to me- I really don't want to pick one over the other, both make sense in a narrative context and with the presented evidence, at least to me. I guess I'll have to wait until we finally get clarification upon this.
I think that those are Golden Freddy's footprints, I think Michael saw him panicked or something and went to check out his brother's grave after he teleported away. His brother's grave still could be the mound, the distance between the mound and the camera wouldn't be able to show the footprints at that distance or Michael could have broken out right before William showed up at home. I think for the show Michael is the baby and that William/Vlad is disowning Michael and that causes the rift between him and the woman/wife. The fake ending has them reuniting but the real ending never shows that just like with the real Afton family never happily reuniting. I think SL takes place between 85 and 87. Freddy's was only a success before 85 but not after 87 or 93, William would have been aware of remnant after the Puppet and/or MCI, built the Funtimes and he may have sent Michael to free Baby knowing that it would put him in danger cause he hates his son, wanting him dead but missing his daughter.
If michael is the runaway in Midnight motorist, than that would mean the aftons lived in the fnaf4 minigame house first, then the bite of 83' happened, then they moved to the MM house shortly after. But in that case, how could afton make the CBER under the fnaf4 minigame house if he doesn't live there anymore?
@siresquawks I've decided to completely exclude MM from my timeline as it's relevance holds nothing aside from the minigame itself. The timeline would work completely fine even in midnight motorist did not exist
I honestly just don't think Mrs Afton suddenly appears for this piece of lore and never again. Especially in the original games. It doesn't make sense for the story, especially in the game that answers the most questions, to do this sort of thing. Imo, Michael on the couch and crying child running (as his character is exclusively seen doing in every appearance) makes more sense. I honestly think midnight motorist is to show William drunk, add context to his murder and the FNAF 2 scenes, etc. ESPECIALLY to continue retconning FNAF4's dream theory and show that the crying child would often behave in the real world as seen in FNAF 4 (assuming the FNAF 4 dream reveal retcon is true, and I mean, come on...) To solve the series at this point, the context of where the series was at during the time is extremely important. The couch dialogue was most likely Scott thinking people would be paying attention to different things and overlooking a small detail that misdirected the audience by mistake - which happens so damn often with this series.
Sorry for the poor writing, it's 5am here and some reason this little logic gap with Mrs Afton is bothering my OCD brain, haha. Wanted to type my two cents out to sleep peacefully. OCD is genuinely a bitch, if I'm missing something I'd appreciate any replies to help understand the Mrs Afton thing.
Another thing about Mike and Clara immortal and the restless is how like inhink the second to last episode shes like "I set the house on fire!" Which could imply Mike and FNAF 3 if you want maybe
Something that just crossed my mind, but isnt at all connected to anything here. Wouldnt it be interesting if the "Scarecrow" suit outside Runaway's window is the _same_ suit that we're put into in SL Night 4? Wouldnt really change anything timeline-wise, but would be pretty cool I guess
15:21 wouldn’t this fit a bit more with the crying child and the lines of “Don’t you remember what you saw?” And it could explain his fear of the animatronics, it could look like the Puppet actually killed Charlie instead of it being obvious someone else did. Remember things are often mistaken when viewed from the eyes of a child.
"what's seen in shadow's is often misunderstood in the mind of a child", and there's no real precedent for the bite victim being scared of the puppet nor the puppet being around in fnaf 4. All of his stuff is related to SpringBonnie and Fredbear. If the intent is he's scared of the puppet "Killing" Charlie in his mind, then the context of the puppet being near Charlie is missing in fnaf 4 which was supposed to be finale. Plus there's already the purple guy easter egg in fnaf 4 that's in shadows which feels like a more obvious connection.
@@siresquawks I guess but to me it just fits more with Charlie being supposedly the first victim. I still interpret that as Charlie dying before Crying Child and I assumed that would somehow cause the incident that makes Crying Child scared of the animatronics, less so Michael. But I’m not an expert on this by any means
@@broderickfoster2107hy would CC's death be the First Wound from Henry's perspective? He made the robot that killed CC, but he wasn't involved, it was an accident. Even if William doesnt see it that way at all. And again, i would think that CC would be focused more on "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A DEAD BODY" with the broken animatronic tossed over it... And, if it was intended for FNAF 4 to be the end, why the man being put in the costume? Why the belly teeth? It seems more like "CC saw an employee getting "eaten" alive, and is afraid of getting eaten"... Which, as a result, directly ties into the death and the designs of the Nightmares. Also, why would he be afraid of Fredbear if it's a dumb suit, if the PUPPET is the one scaring him?? And as well, seen in the *shadows.* The employee is being suited up by William in a dark dimly lit closet
Wouldn't it make more sense for Evan to have seen the puppet wrap around Charlie since we know she was the first death and Evan is told by Fredbear "remember what you saw". Purple guy realized that Evan witnessed Charlie's death later on because Evan starts acting differently and no longer wishes to go to Freddy's because of what he saw. William then increases efforts to keep Evan away by placing the cameras with fretboard around the house, puts Evan in fnaf 4 house, enlists Micheal to scare Evan, and talks to Evan as Fredbear. He also creates the nightmare animatronics with auditory illusions to keep Evan in his room at night. You might ask. How did Mike have a bad day that night? Simple. His mother left his father- William- and now he won't get to see his mom again. That why the dialog says "HE'S had a rough day. Leave him alone TODAY"- implying it's a BOY so NOT Mrs. Afton- and that William usually DOES harass Mike- but won't today because the divorce hit him hard. William is only acting abusive to Evan that night because he's being disobedient and sneaking out- which Mike obviously isn't. This way it makes a LOT more sense being a prequel to fnaf 4 rather than a sequel because we see Mrs. Afton NOWHERE in fnaf 4 and we also see Elizabeth nowhere- likely because William got full custody of Mike & Evan- but only joint custody of Elizabeth. That explains why Elizabeth has a room still- she was at her mother's house that week of fnaf 4. I also don't subscribe to the idea that the fnaf 4 player is Evan. Clearly you're playing through the perspective of a young child day to day. Nights 1 through 5 are before the party. Nightmare mode is where Evan is having a nightmare in his coma. Why can Mike see the nightmare animatronics too you might be asking. Because like I said- they're real. Animatronics built with auditory illusion discs- and he must've seen his father working on them. The reason why there's only one set of animatronic footprints is because it emerged out of and vanished into the extremely obvious bushes behind them! This is a major problem in the theory crafting community- too often we get confused and can see the obvious forests for the trees. Often the most simple answers pave the road ahead, and in my opinion pizzeria simulator is the biggest example of misunderstandings in the fnaf community. I respect all of you and your opinions- however I feel like they're all far too complicated and ignore all obvious reasons as to why such theories are wrong. You might also wonder- then what or who was the animatronic in midnight motorists? I believe it was an extremely early and experimental version of funtime freddy or circus baby, made with the ability to find and lure children- that snuck out to it's creator's home- only to find a child. Why wasit built? Because I believe that William always had dark thoughts and impulses, and it was the divorce that set him off and made him want to kill Charlie THAT SAME NIGHT of the separation- which explains why William is so angry and why Mike is so upset!
"Wouldn't it make more sense for Evan to have seen the puppet wrap around Charlie since we know she was the first death" We don't know if Charlie is the first death. You may point at Henry's dialogue in the insanity ending, but the "wound" doesn't need to be the first death. It could just be that Scott is telling us Charlie is the first victim of William. Henry's dialogue at that moment is very vague and pretty much either interpretation is valid. "puts Evan in fnaf 4 house, enlists Michael to scare Evan" Can you give evidence for these claims? "That why the dialog says "HE'S had a rough day. Leave him alone TODAY"- implying it's a BOY so NOT Mrs. Afton" The dialogue is the couch person speaking, not William. "we see Mrs. Afton NOWHERE in fnaf 4 and we also see Elizabeth nowhere" They weren't there because they weren't relevant to the story at the time. They could also just be behind the wooden door we see in the living room, or literally anywhere else like work or a friend's house. (Also the patient 71 CDs imply that William DID win the custody case and got full custody of Elizabeth.) "You might also wonder- then what or who was the animatronic in midnight motorists? I believe it was an extremely early and experimental version of funtime freddy or circus baby, made with the ability to find and lure children- that snuck out to it's creator's home- only to find a child. Why was it built? Because I believe that William always had dark thoughts and impulses, and it was the divorce that set him off and made him want to kill Charlie THAT SAME NIGHT of the separation- which explains why William is so angry and why Mike is so upset!" Again, please provide evidence.
@@majamaranda6618 it's a theory, and it makes way more sense than the one depicted in this video since none of what I said is contradicted- also no. The person on the chair wasn't the one talking. The text is orange 🤦♂️Mrs. Afton and Elizabeth WERE narratively important in fnaf 4- especially Elizabeth because we LITERALLY SEE HER EMPTY ROOM. Scott cawthon made the specific design choice to make the only other bedroom shown in fnaf 4 a FEMALE BEDROOM belonging to a little girl.
In Fnaf 2 Golden Freddy is a physical entity. It's jumpscare can kill you and cause a game over. In Fnaf 1 Golden Freddy is a hallucination as it's presence is caused by multiple hallucination events, it ignores the game mechanics and CANNOT kill Mike. Instead of a game over you get returned to the title screen as though the night you played never happened. The mini games in Fnaf 2 are also the memories of specific animatronics, namely the ones who jumpscare to end them. Golden Freddy does this so it IS real in this location. Fredbear was also the ONLY possible yellow suit that could have been in the back in fnaf 2 as Spring Bonnie was stored at a different location by William Afton and according to Phone Guy in Fnaf 3 was 'noticeably moved' at times meaning it was routinely being used. The yellow suit in Fnaf 2 was used ONCE and caused severely negative behaviour in all the other mascots afterwards; 'now none of them are acting right' phone guy says. This maybe when Cassidy gets killed by Afton. The suit was used pre-shift according to Phone Guy so would have to have been used on the day shift like when the MCI occured. This means Cassidy was the last victim and because she died from the suit she haunts, the puppet couldn't give her a mask like we see in give gifts, give life. Golden Freddy ends the mini game because the fifth ghost doesn't get a mask but a spring lock victim wouldn't need one.
I love the concept of William being a paranormal entity that throws bricks at peoples windows, wears a fursuit sensitive to water in the rain and is capable of teleportation and/or flight.
Stichline, I tell ya.
And absolutely invincible to fire
@@affinityxs That's just normal William regardless of Stichline, the fur on Springbonnie must be made of titanium.
Actually, under stitchlinegames+andrewMM William lured Andrew before the rain had started.
Also, even though I am stitchlinegames believer, I still think that Midnight Motorist is about Aftons.
It was none of that convoluted nonsense it was simply Ferdinand Von Bernard
I think a person ran away 🗿
Could be a kid robot 💀
Man… we can’t even prove it was a HUMAN. FNaF lore-
I don't know, maybe they flew away
@@noname_noname_Could be a robot kid
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I always liked the idea that Michael was the one to discover Charlie, thus kicking off his investigations of Freddy’s. That way all three lore keeper mini-games sort of focus on a major character’s origin: William as “springtrap”, Charlie as the puppet, and Mike wanting to investigate. That just makes the most sense to me personally, fantastic theory!
Hm, never thought about that. Great idea!
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dry bones for smash
oh huh youre right i always veiwed em as stuff involving william
I agree
wait, what's Mario doing here? LMAO
I think the most narratively satisfying identity of the couch potato is Henry. It gives an explanation for why he wasn’t at the Pizzaria watching his daughter or why the security puppet needed to exist at all when he could have just been watching Charlie himself. After Michael killed the BV it makes sense that William would want someone to keep an eye on him and make sure that he doesn’t get into any more trouble while he’s off getting drunk to drown out his sorrows, so asking his friend and business partner makes the most sense. The security puppet would have been made because Henry didn’t love the idea of leaving Charlie unattended but might not have wanted her with him in William’s house with Michael who was going through a lot of trauma and may have been acting out violently. One day when William was in a drunken rage and saw Charlie outside, he knew that Henry was occupied watching Michael and so he took the opportunity to kill her while Henry wasn’t around to witness the aftermath. One thing that still doesn’t make sense is how Henry didn’t hear a window break, but I think that can be explained by the TV being too loud or because the heavy rain drowned out the sound
This is an amazing explanation to who the couch person is and why Henry wasn't there. This actually seems really plausible
I think this could be true. I have to say...a lot of theories regarding this part of Midnight Motorist seem far-fetched or don't line up with what we know, but this actually makes a lot of sense and has a lot of logic behind it :)
From a storytelling perspective it just makes sense to be Micheal, the characters acting like how we know these characters act is more than enough for me, sometimes this community forgets that more than anything else, Scott thinks of himself as a storyteller, so although theorizing this game series solely on technical evidence is more than valid, approaching it with the idea in mind that the person behind the wheels is a writer and storyteller first and foremost is equally if not even more important.
I've seen his "Christmas Story" animation and, yeah, Scott is a pretty decent storyteller. Some of the dialogue actually had me laughing.
@@Takejiro24some of his older work is pretty funny. I think I watched them more than a couple times 😭
@@Takejiro24 damn, Scott is actually *good* at storytelling?
@@soomi5667I have to check those out sometime. I saw Shorts about that one story about a play and its director getting frustrated with the kids' shenanigans.
@@playerlgamer0592Yep. Actually decent. When he's not being frustratingly vague and cryptic.
10:22 Yeah, I completely agree. Given how the orange man reacts to his kid just locking a door, it doesn't make sense that he'd just silently move on if his other kid UNCONCERNEDLY TOLD him to not bother his sibling. He'd probably give the other kid sh¡t too. But his silence would make sense if it was someone who'd he give slightly more respect to. Even when drunk. Like say, another adult or his wife.
That's exactly why I cannot find sense in using "Michael may be a bully, but he still cares about his brother" as a defense. Whoever couch person is, they know about orange man's alcoholic and abusive tendencies. A child speaking to his own abusive father like that would likely just end up with the father redirecting the abuse to the child.
@@nyapkinspecially if the child has something to do with the death of their sibling 🤔
Fool, Henry IS his wife
@@KPH107YEAHHHH!!!
Henry most likely because of the colour palette. William asked Henry to watch Michael while William was plotting to kill Charlie
Something I've thought about a lot is Scott's old scottgames quote about what is seen in the shadows is misunderstood in the mind of a child. While at the time it may have been referring to Purple Guy helping a guy get a suit on and it being seen as stuffing by the CC, the idea of Purple Guy being in the shadows might mean that William is only Purple Guy when hes in the dark doing killing and other nefarious deeds (i.e. save them minigame), and otherwise his normal self can be represented with orange. Thematically this could tie in with Michael becoming Literally Purple, as Mike hue shift can then be seen as symbolic of him lowering himself into Williams realm of darkness in order that he can fix everything thats happened.
The main reason William is orange to me is to draw a connection between between Psychic Friend Fredbear and William. Another reason is to debunk Miketrap, as Scott mentioned once how he adds clarification to mistakes in the next game. In Sister location, people thought the ending cutscene meant Michael was Springtrap and the killer. Directly calling out Charlie’s killer “later that night” as someone who isn’t literally purple was meant to disprove Miketrap. At least my reasoning
It can also represent William "appearing" normal, therefore orange, to the person in the chair (who is almost definitely his wife) who would of course not know of William's murder from earlier in the day. Sort of how William in the movie is naturally only wearing normal clothing in his earlier appearances to appear innocuous before only wearing the Springbonnie suit in his later appearances due to his decision to drop the facade.
I've never seen a motorist theory that fully and cleanly fits all of the pieces and explains all of the missing shenanigans. But this is easily the most sensible.
Mike seeing Charlotte would make sense. If the bite of 83 was a plot point shared between William the antagonist and Mike the protagonist then it would make sense for the double sided character motivation thing to continue. In this case when William becomes a Child murderer Mike is set on the path to save them.
In fnaf 4 was the Puppet had a nightmare version of it?
@@ChrisJZedStormzone-fz8od that was not cannon
I feel like Michael breaking the window could literally be happening as he hears his father get home. This then explains zero footprints being around the mound, because he hasn't gone there yet.
I never once got BVRunaway, Mike has always made more sense and I'm really happy how it was kind of this channel that played a big part in making it so popular. Very great video love everything about it!
Agreed, pretty much what i've always believed
Fnaf theorist: tries to make a timeline
Midnight motorist: Everyone underestimates me, but then they turn their back and I'm like WUZU! Ninja skills!
I'd argue Golden Freddy can still cause the footprints mainly because of the implications that Golden Freddy is haunted by Crying Child. CC visits his grieving brother and overwhelmed by guilt and grief after seeing the animatronic that kills his brother he goes to his brother's grave. It's not perfect but to me that makes as much sense as Scarecrow theory.
Other than one bit of head canon I have I like this theory!
Why would the ghost *only* leave 2 footprints? Surely there should be lots or none.
And add the fact that GF is always shown in suit mode, which would have a different imprint on the ground
@@danielroberts8049
people forget but, ghosts can actually touch certin objects and them leaving footprints is not too farfetched. It happens in most IRL hauntings.
@@N0RTAGEM-thh- "Real" hauntings are unverifiable and usually hoaxes, so those shouldn't be counted as evidence for FNaF.
@@danielroberts8049 FNaF 2's between-night scenes show that Golden Freddy can stand upright.
@@N0RTAGEM-thh- Oooh certain objects like… the groooound!
Just had a (probably poorly thought out) thought:
Under WillPlush, William acts drastically differently to Crying Child if that is him in the MM room.
As Fredbear Plush, he tries to steer Crying Child into being brave and cautious, even if some of his actions/speech veers into what one could interpret as tough love.
In MM, he's overtly aggressive and abusive, shouting at whoever is in the room to not lock their door (even though, when we see Crying Child in FNAF 4, he hates being locked in a room even if it's his own) and promising to make "him" pay when he gets back home.
And, while it's not impossible for parents to have the following dynamic with their young children, parents screaming at/taking issue with their kids to not lock their door/stay holed up in their room typically happens when they are teenagers.
Also under WillPlush, there are hints that William may not have a good relationship with Michael during FNAF 4. One of the very first things he says about Michael to Crying Child is "What did he do this time?" implying Mike has a history of causing his family grief/trouble.
I agree. I fr can't imagine CC breaking the window of his alcoholic, abusive father's house and running away with or running near an animatronic (which he is terrified of). Also no kid in an abusive house tells their parent not do bother someone. 💀
I can’t Believe the part where Sire Squaks said “It’s Squaking Time” and then proceeded to Destroy the Entire Fnaf theorist Community with Facts and Logic
One of the theories of all time
Bruh i just realized, if that green bastard at JR’s just let William in to drink, none of FNaF’s main storyline would have happened
Except it kinda already did, if this is already after Charlie's death? :V
18:45 I think the sister location opening line is again something often ignored in the fandom Baby’s location was made in response to the massive success and unfortunate closing of Freddy’s, it can’t be the Fnaf 2 location because it was opened for only a few weeks (Possibly twice but that’s a debate for another time) before it was shut down, and the Fnaf 1 is very clearly going through hard times and probably didn’t even last a year if Fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after it closes (Meaning Mike was probably the last security guard there before it closed down.) it has to be after the closure of Freddy’s 0 (Most likely due to the MCI) because of what we see in Fnaf 4, there’s tons of merch and a possible TV show it’s clear that the brand is pretty much successful at that point with the characters being seen as children’s icons (Aside from Spring Bonnie who I have to wonder was pretty much seen as the member of the group no kid liked.)
Also with you bringing up the canonicity of the nightmares I think the more interesting question is that are the Funtimes Freddy’s brand characters? While they were created by Afton robotics there’s at lot in their design that would later be transferred to the Toys (Chica’s general design, Bon Bob’s brighter blue coloration and everything about Mangle and Funtime foxy) and Henry having documents from the rental company in fnaf 6’s insanity ending which you could argue that he could’ve just got them from the bunker. But personally I think it makes more sense narrative wise that the funtimes were Freddy’s characters alongside Afton’s OCs, but after baby’s closed on its first day and Afton was fired they just kept them around for the rental service unknowingly killing who knows how many people before being rendered unusable thanks to the events of sister location. Idk it’s just a random thought I had.
One note...
I dont think Fazbear obtained the Bunker THAT fast.
William... fired from the company he owns, with his name on it?
I suspect that came later, likely when he just... vanished. No CEO? Prime pickings for being bought and absorbed...
@@higueraft571 The problem is that it’s implied that Afton had the bunker all the way back in the Fredbear days even before the bite (The Fredbear plush says enough) and also Mike was sent there specifically by Afton, meaning Afton for some reason can’t go to his own Bunker, and we know it was still active during the events of sister location since there are other employees working there. I’m not saying your theory is wrong but I think there’s some small holes.
That's not necessarily true. Hand Unit says this on night 1 "Due to the massive success and even more so the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, it was clear that the stage was set, no pun intended, for another contender is children's entertainment. Unlike most entertainment venues, our robotic entertainers are rented out for private parties during the day".
If anything, that second sentence is the one that's ignored by the fandom. Hand unit isn't saying that Circus Baby's Pizza World opened up in response to the closing of Freddy's Pizza. He's saying that Circus Baby's entertainment and Rentals did. This means that at the very least, entertainment and rentals opened up after at least one of the closings of a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza location. Pretty much all your speculation on when Baby's location was opened I believe is correct, except that it's all appplied to entertainment and rentals and not pizza world. Entertainment and rentals opens as a response to Freddy's 0 closing. That essentially means that Circus Baby's pizza world (and Elizabeth's death) had to have happened sometime before the closing of the first freddy's location, leaving us with 3 possibilities.
1. During operation of Freddy's 0
2. In between the operations of Freddy's 0 and Fredbear's
3. During operation of Fredbear's
And of course, the debate surrounding when Elizabeth's death happens is the difficult part.
@@DetectiveYuki I think the problem is that Babys location was open for 1 day, meaning the rental service was probably made after the restaurant closed.
@@DetectiveYuki The rentals service opened shortly after Circus Baby's pizza world. The source code in the "Cancelled due to leaks" teaser says so.
"If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!"
not to forget that if it really was afton luring andrew by throwing a brick at the window and flying away, it would still not explain how his *springlock* suit doesn't kill him in the *rain*
Nice theory :D
I personally do think the footprints are Golden Freddy, largely in the way Game Theory portrayed it in their ultimate timeline. It's Mike's brother returning home and largely just getting confused, kinda similar to the story Coming Home with Susie and her sister. So yeah, it's a ghost leaving footprints, but I mean, they can write so *shrug* :3
But yeah, this is an interesting idea too. I could definitely see this being the case. I think either way this almost HAS to be Mike. It just makes the most sense to me.
Yeah I feel like "Coming Home" was supposed to be explanation for that scene but seems to be getting ignored by everyone
@@Bammesgecko Yeah, it just feels so eerily similar to Midnight Motorist to me
One thing to keep in mind about the footprints is that this is an 8-bit minigame retelling what happened, if it was a ghost or something like golden freddy, we as the player would have no idea they were there without having the footprints
Maybe? It still feels weird contextually, as the only real explanation would raise a lot of questions about how Golden Freddy works.
i’m sure scott could find a better and more clear way to convey that someone was led away by a ghost than a singular pair of footprints
@@siresquawksWhat kind of questions? We know GF can teleport and affect the physical world. Genuinely curious because Golden boi has always been an anomaly.
I like your approach, Michael has been more aggressive so William starts to keep tabs on them by using decoys and cameras, one night Michael was already having a bad time trying to sleep and he sees an animatronic out of the window so he throw something out of the window then he realizes that animatronic was a decoy, he took with him and get rid of it.
Always thought that Mike was the kind of guy that could run away like that. I can't wait for the video!!
I read that as "Michael is the runway" and was so confused 😂
He steals the show
I like the idea of Michael seeing Charlie's corpse rather than the BV a lot.
If the BV saw Charlie that means he saw a dead body (Which a lot of BVrunners believe) , got traumatized.... and got mocked and bullied from the trauma from seeing some he likely new and probably was on good terms with's dead lifeless corpse in the middle of the night... and got killed because of it. One of the main bullies being his oldest brother. That makes everyone in FNAF 4 a huge fucking asshole more than they already are.
Kids aren't saints for sure but at the same time they would have had known murder had taken place here recently and still mocked that he was reasonably scared of being murdered. And I'm pretty sure that Charlie's death wasn't a missing person's incident. They all knew she died no ifs or buts about it.
But also it doesn't line up for what the NPCS in FNAF 4 say when talking to BV if that's what he did see, they either talk about how cool Freddy's is and the party or tease the BV about his fears that they play off as nonsense. The pigtail girl's lines everyone uses to try and prove MCI83 come off as more as some shit she made up on the spot to scare him as a fake scary story rather than something she knows happened "Why are you so scared? See you at the party ha ha ha" then there's Freddy mask bully (Or atleast the kid who looks like them) straight up says "Hahaha! No one is else is scared! Why are you? Quit being a baby!" oh gee maybe because a child murder is currently on the loose! Also this means nobody else is really scared of being next? *Really?* Again kids aren't saints and certainly aren't the smartest but under BVrunner and BV seeing charlie's dead corpse they come off as assholes or idiots and honestly both. Michael's character also gets worst because he goes from this older brother willing to step up to his drunk abusive father who then suddenly breaks bad after seeing his traumatized brother crying over seeing a dead body and later ends up getting his smaller brother killed because he thought his brother's trauma was funny that's a near complete 180 from how if he was both couchman and foxybro.
Michael seeing the corpse is makes much more since and having his motive to hope around Freddy's locations start at Charlie's murder him wanting to find Charlie's murderer to not only bring him to justice but to relive guilt over the bite and redeem himself honestly is way more narrative satisfying and the story gets better in general.
It also explains why he went to the FNAF 1 - 2 locations in the first place. He's looking for evidence of the murderer which gives "Tampering with the Animatronics" more meaning because up until now it was just a power trip he gave himself for the lols but now we know he was likely looking for finger prints, anything left behind in the suits or maybe even the bodies themselves. Hell it could be possible he was the MCI-Era's nightgaurd looking for clues depending how old he was (IMO that would be a better game than any possible fredbear dinner game lore and story wise.).
Then there's the whole "What is seen in the dark is often misunderstood in the eyes of a child" quote which has always made me think that what the BV saw is really nothing important and really the game shows us this in the purple man easteregg which shows William help an employee inside a suit which in the eyes of a small child would look scary. Some people do argue that he saw the puppet hold Charlie and thought he had killed her or fucking shadow freddy showing the BV and bv thought he was fredbear but your window footprints disprove Shadowf doing anything towards the window. Besides it doesn't add up to what we see in FNAF 4. They mock him because he saw really nothing at all and are just teasing him for being irrational as nothing has happened... yet..
Great video squawk
Admittedly, as another interpretation:
The Black Figure is Michael
Both Grey Figures are CC and Elizabeth?
Two younger siblings, with their Older Brother.
I guess that's not much more of a stretch than the video I guess.
@@siresquawksCertainly not as much of a stretch as some theories...
Like "Oh we're Cassidy's father William kidnapped Cassidy to MCI her", Implying he left the building, walked through the woods (in the rain) in a Springlock, smashed a window, grabbed a child (noclip cheat enabled), dragged them *back* through the woods (still a soggy fuck) into the Location, straight into the Saferoom, just to shove the child in a Springlock Suit and Cap'n Crunch the to-be TOYSHNK :V
I agree with most of this theory but I still find Golden Freddy/Crying Child being responsible for the tracks makes the most sense. He doesn't need to break the window or does the mound need to be his grave, all he has to do is just haunt Mike, which would also give him a reason to check out Freddy's and play into Mike telling his father about the hauntings in Freddy's only for it to be deflected as per the theory.
Mike saw Nightmare Fredbear outside his window, then proceeded to tackle him, beat him to death, and leave his mangled body in the bushes.
Midnight Motorist: “This isn’t even my final form!”
To anyone saying "There is no glass on the floor", the character you play as in Midnight Motorist doesn't have a face
Okay awesome. Your video has inspired me to make the most outlandish theory possible.
I believe that the Orange guy is a guy named Freddy because they're both orange. Also William Afton was outside of the window, he did throw a brick, and he also can teleport. The person inside the house is Michael, and the person who was supposed to be inside of the room was also Michael. It's all Michael.
Midnight Motorist is telling us the story of Freddy coming home from his job as a British racecar driver where he speaks to his wife, Michael Afton, about their son, Michael Afton, who was kidnapped by the ghost of William Afton (who is unrelated to either Michael or Michael in this story).
MIDNIGHT MOTORIST SOLVED
Finally a theory for Midnight Motorist that's not making absurd leaps in logic and nonsensically trying to force book elements into the game lore. I think you pretty much nailed the broad strokes here.
Assuming your theory holds true, then we should consider that maybe fredbear plush in fnaf 4s orange and Williams orange here could represent Williams parental side. Fred plush from 4 could have been the dying crying child projecting his father into his plush bear, just like in that horror game Among The Sleep. Teddy bears often are seen by children as bedtime protectors and are usually gifted personality traits resembling their father.
Scott may have retconned the bite of 87 to 83 in an attempt to get us to understand that the crying child died first. After Michael runs away then William goes mad and starts killing kids if he can't have a family then others shouldn't have one either type of deal. The headless animatronic from the FNAF 4 mini game may not have had a body stuffed in it; a child seeing a headless animatronic would freak out either way. Plenty of examples from Disneyland over the years.
Most importantly, out of all the known canonical FNaF characters Michael seems to be the only logical possibility. The Crying child always responded to fear with paralysis, running away for him in the dead of night is beyond the realm of believability, Teenager runaways all too common and believable. 😱
While I’m not convinced on the later that night minigame, I do think you did a great job pointing out contradictions and alternative theories. I do like the Mrs. Afton watching tv with her sons theory. The immortal and the restless theory is where you really won me over. The whole, “There is no baby, it’s about William denying Freddy’s hauntings to Michael” is mind blowing. First time I’ve seen this theory and I’m amazed.
I don’t understand scarecrow theory because it just doesn’t like something William would do. I feel William would’ve been more subtle observing, considering the fact the guy can and has gotten away with murder. The Fredbear plush was subtle in monitoring CC, so why switch it to something so obvious? You could say it’s a punishment for him, but again, it doesn’t fit William’s MO in terms of always being subtle or manipulative like with the nightmares or even the Funtimes seeming innocent on the outside, but really just murderous robots to slaughter children faster.
I think it was Golden Freddy not luring him to the pizzaria, but rather taunting him or trying to reach out to him to show he’s still there. It explains the footprints since CC’s body could be in that weird patch of grass in the clearing of Midnight Motorist. That’s CC’s grave with his body, but the soul transferred to the golden bear in death. Plus, the bear could be what spurred on his investigation outside of Charlie’s death. Seeing something like that would mess with a person, and can still connect to Immortal and the Restless. He’d be told he’s crazy for what he sees, but he knows it’s real.
Imagine: CC visits Michael with visions of the golden bear, leaving his brother terrified to the point that, when he disappears, he goes to check if CC’s still buried there. This goes on with Mike rushing out when he has those visions to check CC’s grave until Henry watches over him one night. He knows and can’t escape that way, so he breaks the window out of desperation. William gets fed up with these shenanigans by this point and puts Mike in a room with no window and no doors that lock from the inside so he can’t leave. With no vantage point, CC can’t contact him anymore and abandons trying to speak to him until Mike works in the FNAF 1 location.
Of course, this is MatPat’s theory trying to explain it and is an explanation for what happened. It’s a lot of assumptions and holes, but then again, so are most theories when it comes to Midnight Motorist.
I’m not bashing the video at all, by the way. I really enjoyed it and like a lot of the things you said and agree with most of it. This is just the one thing I personally disagree with.
Glad you liked the video.
Honestly the footprints are the thing I’m the most mixed on. For it to be supernatural it requires either Golden or Shadow Freddy to exist around the time of Charlie’s death. The former only really works if goldenboth/duo or like theories are true, which is a theory I’m personally even more mixed on in terms of believing.
Shadow Freddy has similar levels of oddity to being at this point in time.
Scarecrow theory exists to Segway into the nightmares, like a first draft before things are stepped up, and prompt William to need to step up, since his early attempt(s) (mikes been running away for a while so this wouldn’t be William’s first response) don’t work. Of course if this was the implication it does raise the question of what happened to it? While I this video I suggest it was the buried thing, I know side more with the lump being the Fnaf 4 box with BV’s happiest day Fredbear Mask (this will be mentioned in a new video), so that leaves the scarecrow nowhere to go.
It’s a complicated subject that can be largely dictated by what assumptions you make about GF and the BV. This kind of interpretation you deposit is plausible, but I’m still waiting for that explanation that fully clicks with me you know? It’s an ever evolving subject.
I’d really like to thank you for all the time and effort you put into crafting these theories. It’s crazy how you’re able to keep track of all of this absurd, extensive, and even contradictory information, enough to make logical enough theories like these . This is what I wish game theory‘s stuff would be like. Without you, I would’ve stopped caring about fnaf, so thank you again :)
Well Five Laps confirmed that William is mustard man so this is halfway done to being canon
There's no footprints because the thing walked back into the bushes.
One idea I have had for a long time is that the nightmare animatronics are based off of the physical abuse of William to Michael. I also believe the reason why he runs away is that he's afraid of his father so he's just running so he can run there doesn't have to be a set location for him to go to he's just running away. Another thing is that william had so much money after the success of fredbear's Family diner think about it about it I also think that the TV show you see in FNAF 4 is actually supposed to give you a perspective of how much of success it was to show how much it's made that it got its own TV show.
Personally I do agree with this Theory in my opinion I know sounds crazy I don't think midnight Motors is that confusing one thing I always say if you want a complete story a lot of the time the crime child has to die first.
Man I loved this video! The way you explained your points and evidence was like hearing a story, I could kind of totally see an animated series based on the fnaf games. Especially a scene where Michael runs away, and finds Charlie’s body underneath the security puppet. Calling the police in the rain, maybe William finding him and bringing him home. Good stuff man!
Also edit: wanted the give cudos to the editing too, you make the material very engaging (I think that’s the word?). Plus I love the custom sprites and silly animations like with brick William
Okay, I've been obsessed for the past week with the idea that the crying child and the vengeful spirit are the same spirit and Mike is the one experiencing hell in UCN. The way Chica talks to the player in that game - "I was the first, I have seen everything. / I have seen him, the one you should not have killed!" There's no logical reason for the vengeful spirit to not be Chica if we're talking about William's victims. You could brush it off, but the idea that the crying child is the vengeful spirit...it fixes so many of those plot holes. The idea of the crying child's soul being fractured - speaking through the mediocre melodies in UCN.
Unfortunately I'm not a fnaf theorist and this series doesn't take up enough space in my brain to keep track of how many plot holes that assumption would cause and thus idk if its a valid theory or not. I have literally only played pizzeria simulator (the runs that dont require any animatronics to try and kill you during the night) and fnaf world because i dont play horror games and I have read exactly 0 of the books and I don't plan on changing that. So like I said, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But I can't stop thinking about it, I think I need to go through all of Game Theory's videos (particularly including the ones where various theorists from the community just discuss shit) so I can stop obsessing over the viability of this theory.
(also, commenting while this page says there are 69 comments for me so i apologize for ruining the funny number)
I mean why would she be more vengeful than Charlie who Henry says is the first if death order is the deciding factor? Dying first in the MCI (or coming to life first in my interpretation) doesn't make a character more vengeful. I talk about MikeHell (the theory you're depositing) in my "Mike: the fleshed out character" video briefly, but there are dozens of problems. The most glaring being that Nightmarionne says "I am the fearful reflection of what you have created" referencing how he's the horrific version of the Puppet which William created by killing Charlie.
@@siresquawks That's a good point, Chica and Henry do contradict each other after all. After reviewing the quotes a bit more I go back and forth. It really feels like they're speaking to two different characters here and it's really confusing. We just still don't have a motivation for Cassidy other than "one kid got mad about being murdered" but considering another kid explicitly says she doesn't hate the player (presumably William) despite what he did. But also, "it's me" has been Golden Freddy's catchphrase for so long, and presumably to Mike in games where the fandom says Mike was the player character. It's just... a lot of stuff doesn't fit, and a lot of stuff does fit, but that's how the FNAF theorizing cookie crumbles I suppose.
"and also William being a drunk and abusive just lines up a lot more"
This is actually what makes me second guess my inclination to say its definitely William. Nothing at all about William's character suggests this kind of impulsive and thoughtless behavior. Just the opposite, every action and line of dialogue of his in the entire franchise is extremely thoughtful and intentional. The only basis the community seems to have for saying this "lines up" is because William is a bad guy, and drinking and being abusive is the kind of thing bad guys in general do, not anything related to William specifically.
There's no specific basis for saying that any of the behaviors of Orange guy are similar to the behaviors of William. This is a fan invention, not a canon invention. We have very very few examples of how William directly behaved with his children, and of the examples we have, none of them are similar to, or as careless as, Orange guy. We certainly have no evidence of William being a sloppy drunk.
I'm still overwhelmingly inclined to think Orange guy is William, if for no other reason than lack of plausible alternatives. Henry doesn't fit, and we have almost zero other adult men in the series it could even hypothetically be. Still, its worth mentioning that if this is William, its unusual behavior for William in the series, at least as far as we've actually seen.
I mean if he was drunk that would make him more impulsive. After the first time it's more planned and intentional.
@@siresquawks 100% speculation, not based on anything pre-existing in the canon. Sure, maybe it was drunken and impulsive the first time, and he became a craftier and more thoughtful person over time, but we have no basis to say that one way or the other.
Its not unreasonable speculation, but being speculation, it cannot be supporting evidence.
@@JD-xz1mxHe most DEFINITELY was abusive, as a note.
If William is speaking through the plush in 4. He is using CC's fears as a weapon, ans pitting him against/demonizing Michael. Not really for any reason, as far as we know...
He trapped Elizabeth in a bunker, with an on-demand Shock system.
(In the books, not the games) He also gave her a pretty hefty Slap, alongside her generally being depicted as a "Golden Child" who needs his Attention/Validation. Something we likely see in FNAF 6, how she keeps talking to William, seeking his Approval constantly.
At least a few cases of Negligence, Emotional/Psychological Abuse, and Physical Abuse...
I never thought about the Nightmare’s not being actual animatronics made to torment Mike or CC but as surveillance scarecrows that become literal nightmares in their dreams.
It also explains why in UCN one of the nightmares says "I am the fearful reflection of what you have created". Why a reflection if William really made them that way?
This makes a lot more sense.
this is actually really convincing and fills in alot of gaps and connects stuff
great video
11:04 single best visual thing I saw in my entire life
You’ve has become one of my favorite fnaf theorists you’re hilarious and actually make the lore makes sense lol
Counter point, Williams first solution to every other problem in the series is to build a robot, as overly complicated as possible. Psychic friend fred bear, the fun times, and the spring lock suits.
How is this a counterpoint.
It really isn't, it's more about leaving that bread crumb for future theory fodder, we have a set behavior for William that we can attribute to him, and that could come in use down the line.
As for the relevance to the theory, it is 100% in his M. O. for William to make 5 robots (assuming Nightmare is a worn down Nightmare Golden Freddy, otherwise it's 6 or 7 depending on the canonicity of Nightmarion) with the exclusive purpose of scaring his remaining child or children from getting close to the machines in the future. A key point of this is that Nightmare Freddy very clearly picks up the protag during FNAF 4. This presents a strong case for the Nightmares having been real machines at some point, in addition to other factors. Mat Pat made a short detailing how its very likely that sound discs give the nightmares their appearance. The big takeaway there is that Golden Freddy's sound disc failed during the events of FNAF4 pointing to either a lack of maintenance or a design flaw.
@@quinnmaillot3882He didnt make animatronics to scare Elizabeth :V
I actually really like that you incorporated the flashing tv screen thing from FNaF World into your theory since, at least to me, it feels like Scott is hinting that the screen serves a purpose with Old Man Consequences appearing in UCN and the fact the way you access this screen is the same thing you do in UCN. Nobody talks about this screen but it’s something that has been gnawing at the back of my head for years
Great video Sire Squawks!
Who the runway in Midnight Motorist is, is definetly a touchy subject for sure, but all I can say is this is a great video!!
I wanted to comment on how GRATEFUL I AM, for you pointing out the logbook thing, because some people still to not get the whole Michael having nightmares thing.
It's also why I have the theory that I dont believe HW2 will have FNAF4 in it, because if it's an ingame minigame, it's impossible from a lore standpoint.
The reason inplace of FNAF4, Help Wanted had those extra minigames is because there just wasnt a way for Fazbear Entertainment to know what Michael had dreamnt about, they took his concept design for Nightmare Fredbear, and just created the other characters based on it, and made up random scenarios because they didnt know what could have possibly occured!
Now this may be inconsistent with the fact that FNAF3 VR has the phantoms since they are illusions and dont exist, but regardlessly, great to see someone point this out! :)
The logbook is such a misundestood piece of item, alone for the fact people dont get Michael couldnt have had his logbook post FNAF1, since that would have been confiscated along his uniform when he got fired.
Anywayzzz, cant wait for the next video! Xo
This would make sense considering fnaf 6 was meant to be the final lore bit in the mainline series. This would explain why the houses are different, and show the start or Mike's experiences with the animatronics
I'm just glad the title of the video isn't "I solved midnight motorist".
Its become something of a community joke at this point.
I still absolutely love this video, one of my favorite theories of yours (ultimate dream theory has my heart) it's my accepted canon to Midnight Motorist lol. And it just makes the most sense imo compared to other theories? I can see Scott wanting to show what life was like in the Afton household after all that tragic shit happened. William is drunk and angry, Mrs Afton is depressed and catatonic, and Micheal disobeys and acts out
I also love CCfirst. I love the idea that this little scaredy-cat wimpy child's death was the inciting incident of all the tragedy, death and pain throughout the story
That lump of dirt pisses me tf off tho lol
Had another another thought:
Orange Guy is supposed to be William, almost everyone agrees on that. And that he's orange to distinguish him from Michael (whose purple skin in Sister Location caused a lot of confusion).
So, if "Couch Person" is Michael (and gray here as he was in FNAF 4), why is William depicted as orange instead of purple? There would be no confusion on who is who?
If I'm not mistaken, the color purple is used to represent when william is in the shadows committing crimes
@@Emanuel-qo1jwI've heard that before, too. Though, with William's appearance in FNAF 4, I'm not sure how well that holds up.
Edit: Actually, I may have heard that it's him "(hiding) in the shadows" not necessarily committing crimes.
15:28 According to the logbook, he took his first Freddy's job because employees are offered free pizza, and it would be strange if he took his first job in 1987 for _one day,_ tampered with the robots and got fired, and then tried again six years later. It seems like he wasn't really aware of anything until he took his first Freddy's job, which _can_ be either 1987 or 1993, but is probably 1993 going by this logic. Semi-related, but this would also place Sister Location after FNaF 1, assuming 1993 is his first job. SamBar has a pretty good video on Mike as a character that informed most of this comment.
That's assuming Mike meant that pizza comment literally, and the rest of this interpretation is conjecture.
prolly the most underrated FNaF theorist out there fr
1:25 Going based off your statement here, I'm assuming that you're refrencing real life for your argument. As a security guard and just living in the city, whether a security guard stands outside of the building is just dependent on what kind of building it is or what they're there for. There are security guards that stand right outside of Hot Topic, I'm a guard that stands outside of a building to check bags for 8 hours a day. Something recent doesn't need to have happened, it's just an average thing to do. And if not outside the building, right at the front door but inside.
I feel like orange man literally HAS to be William because why would Scott create and semi flesh out an entirely new character for a single mini game when it’s the sixth entry of his game series which was intended to be the finale. All the other adults in the series are never shown to act this way so the only character that would really fit as an abusive drunk father is William. I’ve heard the argument that the other two mini games in Pizza Sim are about victims so midnight motorist has to be about one of William’s victims as well, but if that’s the case why would we be getting so much information about the victim’s parent/guardian to the point that we’re literally playing as them if the point of the mini game is actually the fate of the runaway/“victim” which we never find out.
Oh yeah and the fact that William Afton is the ONLY MF IN THESE GAMES with a purple car
@@SCP-469Yep and this minigame goes out of its way to show that this person is the only person who drives a purple car since no other car at JR'S is purple (with some even repeating colors).
@@Takejiro24 Are you being sarcastic
@@SCP-469 No. Just agreeing with you.
Dave’s theme playing in the “What Is He On About Zone” was hilarious
Also yep, I definitely agree when it comes to who is who in this minigame. It just makes the most sense narratively, and honestly I think that’s more important than looking into text color and whatnot (though Tbf I don’t know why Scott made William orange, like William is a character with well-known motifs of rabbits and the color purple, of course this would confuse us). Any other interpretation seems strange and forced to me.
I don't understand how anyone could think that the runaway child is someone else
0:56 I always thought it was because the house is more farther and less in focus than Baby's pizza world in the map
I did mention that in the original script but the transition and segment was clunky but yeah that's most likely the logistical answer, but we don't know how much the scale's been altered by.
I'm sure this was really obvious to people brighter than I am, but I just thought about how purple is on the opposite side of the color wheel to yellow. This led me down a long tangent of various ideas that many people already came up with (Henry being yellow guy, Mike being yellow guy, etc.), but then I realized; why make this more complicated? I mean, this series has possibly the most convoluted and unnecessarily drawn out lore ever. In a game that was specifically Scott's way of tying loose ends, why would he make things intentionally difficult? I followed that same idea and thought of the most common questions Scott was getting at this time and that's when I thought of this. This is Scott's way of showing us how things actually started. This is literally showing us how purple guy became purple guy, hence why he's yellow. He was trying to show us who purple guy was before he was evil, when he was on the opposite side of the spectrum. At this time, he was still yellow because he was still good. (Side note: No, abuse isn't good but when compared with murder, it's not that horrible.) I believe that at this time, Fredbear's had been shut down earlier that day due to the crying child incident. I don't believe that either William or Henry knew the full extent of what went on for reasons I'll get to later. William, distraught and furious that Henry's animatronic was responsible for something he could only imagine was the end of their joint business venture, had spent the whole day at JR's (which I'm assuming is a local bar). This would explain why in the actual mini game we can swerve erratically on the road, and would also explain why he's turned away from JR's by Henry who was likely there for the same reasons. Now to be honest, the mound still doesn't really make sense here. However, I'm gonna assume that this could be the entrance to William's surveillance area since we know it would have existed around this time and it explains why no dialogue happens when we approach as William would know exactly what the purpose of it is. William goes into the house and runs into who I'm assuming is Mike. If William doesn't know what's happened and Mike is terrified of his dad finding out what happened, him wanting his dad to not see the outside of the room and put the pieces together is perfectly reasonable. I think it's entirely possible that William knows his son witnessed something horrific, but doesn't know exactly what and he has no reason to think anything more yet. I also think it's possible for Mike to be in such a state of grief and guilt that he's unable to articulate what happened to his father. I believe the reason why William still knocked on the crying child's door is similarly because he has no idea yet that his son is dead, otherwise why knock on his door? Here's where things get weird. I think that what we're looking at in the backyard is what happened before the crying child is killed. I believe that Michael and his friends donned the animatronic masks to scare the crying child into going to Fredbear's so that they could continue their "prank" on him there. From what we see in FNAF 4, it's obvious he would only go there as a last resort. I think that it's possible the animatronic footprint we see is from either Mike or one of his friends donning an animatronic suit without parts similar to William's bunny suit before having animatronics. This explains both the footprints and the broken window as well. I think that Midnight Motorist as a whole is supposed to show that as of now, William is not a killer. It's only after he discovers what happened to his son, Mike's role in that, and that it was Henry's faulty animatronic parts that killed his son that he kills Charlotte as a sort of payback. Midnight Motorist is supposed to showcase the tragedy before the tragedy, and how the already unstable and jealous William was able to transform seamlessly into the cold blooded and sadistic purple guy we all know. I know this theory requires a LOT of suspension of belief and it certainly isn't perfect, but it at least explains why purple guy is distinctly not purple here and why it seems as though William is the only one out of the loop but is still upset.
It might be a stretch but have a small addition to that theory, if this mini game takes place the same night as Charlie’s death, maybe if golden Freddy was the one outside of Micheal’s window, maybe his brother was trying to help Charlie or tell Micheal about her death.
But that would imply that the crying child died first.
And that is what this theory is going off of the bite victum being the first to die.@cherenmertens
Every theory on midnight motorist is either: “it’s mike running away to grieve the crying child and the person on the couch is ms Afton” or “it’s the key to the entire lore everything changes” but they can’t agree
No? I'm not even sure what this comment is getting at. Until recently/ past half year Mike running away was a very niche theory? Also I've only seen a few people claim it changes everything, and typically those are the crack head theories people don't really believe.
18:32
On your point about Afton being loaded, I think the idea of all the pizza places being dirt poor and struggling mainly came from the fact that a lot of the games seemingly take place after or before their glory days
I know for sure a lot of people were confused when Security Breach came out
"Where the hell did all this money come from?!"
I also think a lot of people just kinda assume "its like a crappy chuck e cheese" because thats what the establishment was based on. So a lot of people attach the struggling businesses stereotypes to Freddy's
I could very easily imagine Afton making a patent for his spring lock system and making loads of cash off of it selling it to different pizzerias and what not but because its never directly shown in game or in the books, its just kinda ignored in favor of the popular opinion of the fanbase.
I still believe that the animatronic outside the window is Golden Freddy--because if Mike is going to "that place /again/", he doesn't need to follow Golden Freddy. Just to see him.
I believe that the house in the MM game is Henry's, and that he's the one on the couch. William and Mrs. Afton split not long after the Crying Child's death, and Mrs. Afton doesn't want Mike around, so they both have to find a new house. They stay with Henry for a couple of days until they can find an apartment or such. MM takes place during that time where they're still house-searching. (This would also explain how William would know where Charlie was. She was going to a birthday party or something at Freddy's and he knew because he was staying at Henry's house. Or Henry has realized William's behavior is problematic and is having Charlie spend more time at Freddy's until he can get William out of the house. If they've only been there a day or two, this would make sense. Henry may also be avoiding kicking them out because he's concerned for Mike's safety.)
In this scenario, after Golden Freddy, an animatronic Henry built, gets a kid killed, he takes the animatronic (or at least the suit) and buries it in the forest near his house. However, as the Crying Child is possessing Golden Freddy, his spirit comes along with. At one point or another, Mike decides to visit the mound (it might be the best option he's got as a memorial for his brother that he can access), and sees Golden Freddy standing around (and probably acting confused, since he's only recently become possessed). Mike realizes it's the spirit of his brother and begins visiting him to keep him company. Sometimes, Golden Freddy appears outside Mike's window when he's lonely--or, even better, he appears to warn Mike when William is coming home. Mike knows where to go, so Golden Freddy will simply teleport back to the mound. We don't see any footprints there when William visits, because Mike simply hasn't arrived at the mound yet. If the rain is the reason he was leaving footprints, then there wouldn't be tracks from previous visits.
The reason there's no glass around the window may be because Mike broke it a day or two ago, and it hasn't been replaced yet, but the glass has been cleaned up.
The question, of course, is why Golden Freddy wouldn't be hostile towards Mike. But ask yourself this--when, in the games, is he actually hostile towards Mike? He just sits there and says "it's me". He's broken and lonely. He probably just misses his family, or struggles to remember his life, as you posited in the video, though is aware enough to at least remember Mike is his brother.
Great video, very thought-provoking, and helped me think deeper about my opinion on it.
I wish this minigame could be clarified bro, scott singke handedly sent so msny people to an asylum from this one minigame
Editing keeps getting better and better
What if midnight motorist happens before Evan is born
And this is our look into Michael’s childhood before Evan and Elizabeth
Wow. I've never heard this theory before. With the Secret of the Mimic trailer having the Puppet's music box tune, you may be onto something.
I have always thought that about the FNAF2 cutscenes, that we're seeing the original pizzeria and MCI awakenings, as it were. The main counters I've seen to that are that they are the FNAF1 versions of the suits, and not the pre-withered Withereds which must have looked different, and that the scenes are apparently listed as dreams in the source or whatever, which I don't put a lot of stock in, especially after learning "man on couch" was a bunch of bunk.
The idea that they're just dreams certainly sounds like the simplest answer, until you start asking whose dreams they are and then things get really complicated, especially if you put stock into "FNAF1 suits =/= Pre-Withered suits", because then we have to believe Jeremy or Michael had straight up visions of the future.
The stuff about how the weird visual details of FNAF4 match the FNAF3 minigames was a bit of a mind blowing moment for me, as well as a moment of extreme annoyance that once again, FNAF4 just threw these things (and like fifty other random details) out there in a nigh impossible puzzle piece fashion and said, "Fix it." lol
I like the theory that Afton himself was standing out of the window to scare/monitor whoever was in the room. The reason he can't do that during Later That Night is due to the rain.
William could have put the spring Bonnie suit out front of the window every night to keep Mike in but since it is raining the suit would lock so it William had to put it away and Mike saw his chance to escape.
I mean that's not the worst concept. Interesting take.
Holy shit, gotta give you credit. I really like that interpretation of 'immortal and the restless'. 🎉❤
I like how nobody can agree on what midnight motorist is supposed to be
Been personally working on a timeline for awhile now and I do agree that Mike is the runaway but man this is one of those parts of the lore I wish was either explained better or wasn't included at all. It's filled with Scott-isms like a Orange Guy and a Green Guy at first but then a normal human? But is it just a bald person? A man? A woman? Anything to clarify their age?? Scott why.
My isssue is that we have no idea who couch person is. Personally, it makes sense if William's father is babysitting but there's literally 0 evidence that William has a father in his life alive at this time. I assumed the wife would either be dead or separated from William at this point. It's too vague.
The mound is also super unclear. I have various ideas but honestly none of them could ever be confirmed. It might be a door that leads to his bunker, but it also might be his son's grave. Or maybe it's the box! Who knows.
Anyways, great video! Gave me a lot ot think about.
One other things I noted from the video:
2:08 I also think this is the kids waking up to their new bodies, but it does bother me that they're in their FNAF1 designs when they should be in the an unwithered version of their designs from FNAF2. Unless that scene is just showing how they woke up in their new shells before FNAF1 happened.
See the Endo minitheory on my channel.
I have legit been yelling about this, i do like the idea of maybe the scarecrow idea threw something to try to scare him but broke the window, mike took the opportunity to go and take that thing and bury it so it doesn't come back. But love this idea and glad you were thinking about it, and if somehow this theory is wrong or something, its better than "roBot ChIlDren" like robo kids are a cool idea but so tired of hearing it as gospel and not just a theory.
I think Scott really tried to tie everything together, it made sense to him, but I think he didn't realize that we didn't understand the 4th game, which then made it hard to understand the rest of the games and the use of the books, and i like the books, but hate the idea of tieing it to the games, as it makes it harder to understand.
Keep up the great work man, sorry that other theorists get all the fame and shit, but you deserve it more as you spit facts and logic.
I think Mike was tortured after the bite and the FNAF 4 gameplay is nightmares of his times being tortured along with a fusion of the crying child's nightmares since we know his spirit follows Michael after FNAF 1
I think its pretty much confirmed at this point, but the house in the woods is probably Mrs. Afton's house because Afton himself has the house over his bunker and next to Fredbears? Was the house in the woods the first house but then whenever his wife leaves him and Michael live next to Fredbear's? And then why does the house in fnaf 4 minigames look so different from the gameplay?
And also, which house does Michael go home too after Sister Location? The house in the woods seems similar because of the TV, but if its the one by Fredbears, then he literally just goes up and down the elevator each day right back into the house. If the theories about the FNAF 6 location being Fredbears is true, then it would mean that Mike's room in Security Breach could literally be part of the house above sister location.
This is something that's been on my mind, too. The seeming lack of consistency with the designs of the locations is really confusing.
Here's why I think even is the runaway. The person in the unmarked grave is Elisabeth. William didn't want anyone to find out that one of his animatronics killed his daughter because it would ruin everything. He buried her in the backyard.
That gets into the debate over who died first of course. People reason that the reason her bedroom is empty is simply because she isn't there and everyone always throws out how the Funtimes don't make much sense without putting Evan back together as motivation. This isn't as relevant if you see William as an insane and deranged murderer from the start, but that is less narratively satisfying. On the other hand, if Evan's death is bad publicity or simply a touchy subject, that could also explain the separate grave for Evan. And it doesn't even need to be a grave since it is technically a mound of dirt, it could be literally anything buried, or nothing buried and something else entirely. And here's a thought that randomly entered my head as writing this: What if that's where William hid Charlie's body?
Evan kept going to go see Elizabeth wich angered William. He uses his spring Bonnie suit to keep even from running away. That night it was raining so William couldn't use the spring Bonnie suit because he would die and even ran away again. William than created the nightmares and the torcher room to punish evan and Michael. Michael turns on evan and starts bullying him so that he doesn't run off again. Leading to Michael going to far and killed evan on accident.
@@Starkiller-ob2ftNote, "Evan" isnt a Canon name.
And also keep in mind, the mound is likely *NOT* "that place". We dont see anyone there, or footprints. Yet he SHOULD be there, right?
@@Starkiller-ob2ftI’m sorry no
I’m just going to skip the very obvious problems of Elizabeth dying before the bite victim
Why the hell would Willam have such a strong reaction to the bite victim visiting his sisters grave?
Also this “Mike turns on his brother” narrative I’ve seen popping up is just absurd
If Michael was put in the “torture room” with nightmares along with the bite victim why isn’t Mike scarred of the animatronic?
The way mike bullies the crying child implies Mike thinks his fears are dumb and not valid
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Ok, but I have a question: Why is Bite Victim the same size as Michael? We see them both in FNaF 4, Michael is not the same size as BV, so if that _is_ Mrs. Afton, and those are BV and Mike, why are they both the same size? Personally, I believe there's another possibility: Mike, Elizabeth and BV are watching TV to escape the reality of their disfunctional family. Both figures are shrouded in grey, but the figure in the middle is shrouded in black, as a shadow, Purple in old games is associated with Shadows, it's why William Afton _is_ a Purple Man, he's clouded in shadows, and who is also a Purple Man? Michael. So personally, I think it's Mike, Liz and BV watching TV instead of Mrs. Afton, BV and Mike, as you say.
I mean it could just be simplicity to show two kids and adult, also I'm very hesitant to make theory's that focus on Elizabeth Prior to sister location, as World and 4 were written and planned to be the end. Scott does do retroactive continuity but I do think some images and concepts were made with specific take-aways. Plus by the same logic, why is Mike so much bigger than the other two? And different ages of kids grow at different rates. A 5 year old mike and a 3 year old BV would be similar scale, and while Mike is taller in 4 he's not impossibly taller, especially compared to adult sprites like the fredbear employee and William.
I was thinking about exactly all of this and then I found your channel and multiple videos agreeing with my theories. It is better from a narrative and standpoint and makes more sense. I also think that the animatronic put outside was a blank suit like seen in the twisted ones with an illusion disc to look like nightmare Fredbear which is why Mike draws him in the LogBook.
Amazing video!!! About the scarecrow idea: could it be that William put fredbear in front of Mike's bedroom in midnight motorist? I imagine the posessed fredbear would be much scarier than other scarecrow candidates. Then there would be the "its me"s coming from the crying child's soul, and the teleportation problem would be eliminated as well. As for the mound, mabe Mike buried the suit...? not quite sure about the continuation ngl. The fredbear might not be too heavy as people can move around when inside the suits, but not sure.
It is scary how most of the theories you present just... Make sense. Somehow, by writing these videos, you're making the mess that is FNAF's narrative not only logical, but like a satisfying story with actual logical connections. I really hope someday you do a whole timeline, I'm really curious how you'd present it all.
William could have stepped back into the bush thus leaving no other foot prints.
I mean but he's not really luring then is he? The footprints from the kid go straight not left or right.
@@siresquawks they go in the direction of behind the bush. I get what your saying but the other two mini games are about Williams murders it just makes sense that midnight motorists is as well, charle the kind spirit, Susie a member of the mci, and Cassidy the vengeful spirit (also apart of the mci). But I could be wrong.
@@TiredMoonRabbit Someone pointed out the "connecting thread" (I don't know why all three minigames have to be connected via theme that's kind a just an idea people made up) might just be cars. Susie's dog gets run over, William steps out of his car to kill Charlie, and Midnight Motorist.
@@siresquawks I don't know I think it means something
2:18 my problem with this little theory is that in the cutscenes we see the classic animatronics and not the ones from fnaf 2 (sure you could say Scott didn't want to make fixed withered animatronics models but he wouldn't really need to make Fixed Freddy, maybe he could fix up Chica's head a little but not too much and give Bonnie a second arm and a face so it wouldn't be that hard(
I have a video on this discrepancy, but basically it implies that the classics ARE what the fixed withered's looked like and the design changes are because of the Endo 02's being put around them rather than the 01s.
yeah i think those cutscenes are to show the puppet is still around by fnaf 1
@@siresquawks sounds interesting. Which video is that?
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I know a lot people put Elizabeth’s death after Fnaf 2 as that’s when William discovered remnant, but I’ve always believed it happened in 1986, because it’s the only year that’d fit with both circus baby’s pizza world opening and closing and the rental service opening up after that, I mean that’s the only year we don’t really have a pizzeria set for, we have Fredbear’s in 1983, multiple Freddy’s open between 1983-1985, Fnaf 2 in 1987 and Fnaf 1 in 1988-1993 with 1993 being the last we hear of a Freddy’s being open, plus in the Fnaf 2 phone calls phone guy talks about the withereds acting like the Fnaf 1 robots with moving around at night and stuffing guards into suits at their old location so it would make sense if William saw that and that was what started circus baby’s and research into remnant, plus it would fit with Michaels arc, because sure if you parallel from the books with this then it could be in the case of the games like the books with the original mci that even tho William was arrested and released, the general public thought it was Henry so they’d be excited to see a new pizzeria open from William because they thought he was innocent, but by the time of the DCI and Fnaf 2 they 100% know it’s William since he sneaks in under a fake name and, if it’s like the books and the police compare photos and see that one of their new employees look similar to William, they would be cornering him and he’d have to go on the run, which is why Michael would come to Fnaf 2 because his dad has went on the run and everyone’s accusing him of being the killer, Michael could be hopping pizzeria to pizzeria trying to either find proof William is the killer or trying to disprove it, tampering with the animatronics could be that he has zero engineering skills and maybe planned to put them to zero and deactivate them but accidentally put them on 20 which caused him to face against them, which from here on Michael and William are the last two surviving members and with William on the run and Michael trying to follow his tracks, with William eventually contacting him not knowing he was trying to investigate him and sending him to SL which Michael goes to, but skip forward to the end of the game and Michaels a rotting corpse with Ennard bailing out of him, he goes to find his dad but he’s missing for good this time because he’s been springlocked, Michael vows to find him then the rest of the timeline plays out, that’s my interpretation because it still would make sense with the original story and fits sister location in reasonable places, but hey that’s just a theory, and for all I know I could be horribly horribly wrong 😭, love the videos and theories Sire! Keep up the good work 💯
This makes sense, since in the FNAF 4 mini games, the layout of the bedroom is completely different from the layout of the bedroom in the actual game.
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There's also the Fnaf 2 newspaper about the animatronics getting scraped and stuff that mentions something about if they reopen one day I'll be on a smaller budget. Of course that's not important to this theory since just like the Fnaf 1 newspaper it takes place AFTER the murders happened.
So, one week before this, Brussel did his own interpretation about MM, which is directly contrary to this one. But both make the exact same amount of sense to me- I really don't want to pick one over the other, both make sense in a narrative context and with the presented evidence, at least to me. I guess I'll have to wait until we finally get clarification upon this.
I love this video.
14:34 this shit was so funny made my day with the whole zone section so good
I think that those are Golden Freddy's footprints, I think Michael saw him panicked or something and went to check out his brother's grave after he teleported away.
His brother's grave still could be the mound, the distance between the mound and the camera wouldn't be able to show the footprints at that distance or Michael could have broken out right before William showed up at home.
I think for the show Michael is the baby and that William/Vlad is disowning Michael and that causes the rift between him and the woman/wife.
The fake ending has them reuniting but the real ending never shows that just like with the real Afton family never happily reuniting.
I think SL takes place between 85 and 87.
Freddy's was only a success before 85 but not after 87 or 93, William would have been aware of remnant after the Puppet and/or MCI, built the Funtimes and he may have sent Michael to free Baby knowing that it would put him in danger cause he hates his son, wanting him dead but missing his daughter.
If michael is the runaway in Midnight motorist, than that would mean the aftons lived in the fnaf4 minigame house first, then the bite of 83' happened, then they moved to the MM house shortly after. But in that case, how could afton make the CBER under the fnaf4 minigame house if he doesn't live there anymore?
Well Dittophobia introduced the idea of a made up/artificial house underground so that’s a new wrench in the works to consider.
@siresquawks I've decided to completely exclude MM from my timeline as it's relevance holds nothing aside from the minigame itself. The timeline would work completely fine even in midnight motorist did not exist
I honestly just don't think Mrs Afton suddenly appears for this piece of lore and never again. Especially in the original games. It doesn't make sense for the story, especially in the game that answers the most questions, to do this sort of thing. Imo, Michael on the couch and crying child running (as his character is exclusively seen doing in every appearance) makes more sense.
I honestly think midnight motorist is to show William drunk, add context to his murder and the FNAF 2 scenes, etc. ESPECIALLY to continue retconning FNAF4's dream theory and show that the crying child would often behave in the real world as seen in FNAF 4 (assuming the FNAF 4 dream reveal retcon is true, and I mean, come on...)
To solve the series at this point, the context of where the series was at during the time is extremely important.
The couch dialogue was most likely Scott thinking people would be paying attention to different things and overlooking a small detail that misdirected the audience by mistake - which happens so damn often with this series.
Sorry for the poor writing, it's 5am here and some reason this little logic gap with Mrs Afton is bothering my OCD brain, haha.
Wanted to type my two cents out to sleep peacefully. OCD is genuinely a bitch, if I'm missing something I'd appreciate any replies to help understand the Mrs Afton thing.
Another thing about Mike and Clara immortal and the restless is how like inhink the second to last episode shes like "I set the house on fire!" Which could imply Mike and FNAF 3 if you want maybe
Something that just crossed my mind, but isnt at all connected to anything here. Wouldnt it be interesting if the "Scarecrow" suit outside Runaway's window is the _same_ suit that we're put into in SL Night 4? Wouldnt really change anything timeline-wise, but would be pretty cool I guess
14:17 i really like the crackhead theories! Its what we need more of in the community, especially with how well you support it.
15:21 wouldn’t this fit a bit more with the crying child and the lines of “Don’t you remember what you saw?” And it could explain his fear of the animatronics, it could look like the Puppet actually killed Charlie instead of it being obvious someone else did. Remember things are often mistaken when viewed from the eyes of a child.
"what's seen in shadow's is often misunderstood in the mind of a child", and there's no real precedent for the bite victim being scared of the puppet nor the puppet being around in fnaf 4. All of his stuff is related to SpringBonnie and Fredbear. If the intent is he's scared of the puppet "Killing" Charlie in his mind, then the context of the puppet being near Charlie is missing in fnaf 4 which was supposed to be finale. Plus there's already the purple guy easter egg in fnaf 4 that's in shadows which feels like a more obvious connection.
@@siresquawks I guess but to me it just fits more with Charlie being supposedly the first victim. I still interpret that as Charlie dying before Crying Child and I assumed that would somehow cause the incident that makes Crying Child scared of the animatronics, less so Michael. But I’m not an expert on this by any means
@@broderickfoster2107hy would CC's death be the First Wound from Henry's perspective? He made the robot that killed CC, but he wasn't involved, it was an accident.
Even if William doesnt see it that way at all.
And again, i would think that CC would be focused more on "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A DEAD BODY" with the broken animatronic tossed over it...
And, if it was intended for FNAF 4 to be the end, why the man being put in the costume? Why the belly teeth?
It seems more like "CC saw an employee getting "eaten" alive, and is afraid of getting eaten"...
Which, as a result, directly ties into the death and the designs of the Nightmares.
Also, why would he be afraid of Fredbear if it's a dumb suit, if the PUPPET is the one scaring him??
And as well, seen in the *shadows.* The employee is being suited up by William in a dark dimly lit closet
Wouldn't it make more sense for Evan to have seen the puppet wrap around Charlie since we know she was the first death and Evan is told by Fredbear "remember what you saw". Purple guy realized that Evan witnessed Charlie's death later on because Evan starts acting differently and no longer wishes to go to Freddy's because of what he saw. William then increases efforts to keep Evan away by placing the cameras with fretboard around the house, puts Evan in fnaf 4 house, enlists Micheal to scare Evan, and talks to Evan as Fredbear. He also creates the nightmare animatronics with auditory illusions to keep Evan in his room at night. You might ask. How did Mike have a bad day that night? Simple. His mother left his father- William- and now he won't get to see his mom again. That why the dialog says "HE'S had a rough day. Leave him alone TODAY"- implying it's a BOY so NOT Mrs. Afton- and that William usually DOES harass Mike- but won't today because the divorce hit him hard. William is only acting abusive to Evan that night because he's being disobedient and sneaking out- which Mike obviously isn't.
This way it makes a LOT more sense being a prequel to fnaf 4 rather than a sequel because we see Mrs. Afton NOWHERE in fnaf 4 and we also see Elizabeth nowhere- likely because William got full custody of Mike & Evan- but only joint custody of Elizabeth. That explains why Elizabeth has a room still- she was at her mother's house that week of fnaf 4. I also don't subscribe to the idea that the fnaf 4 player is Evan. Clearly you're playing through the perspective of a young child day to day. Nights 1 through 5 are before the party. Nightmare mode is where Evan is having a nightmare in his coma. Why can Mike see the nightmare animatronics too you might be asking. Because like I said- they're real. Animatronics built with auditory illusion discs- and he must've seen his father working on them.
The reason why there's only one set of animatronic footprints is because it emerged out of and vanished into the extremely obvious bushes behind them!
This is a major problem in the theory crafting community- too often we get confused and can see the obvious forests for the trees.
Often the most simple answers pave the road ahead, and in my opinion pizzeria simulator is the biggest example of misunderstandings in the fnaf community.
I respect all of you and your opinions- however I feel like they're all far too complicated and ignore all obvious reasons as to why such theories are wrong.
You might also wonder- then what or who was the animatronic in midnight motorists?
I believe it was an extremely early and experimental version of funtime freddy or circus baby, made with the ability to find and lure children- that snuck out to it's creator's home- only to find a child. Why wasit built? Because I believe that William always had dark thoughts and impulses, and it was the divorce that set him off and made him want to kill Charlie THAT SAME NIGHT of the separation- which explains why William is so angry and why Mike is so upset!
"Wouldn't it make more sense for Evan to have seen the puppet wrap around Charlie since we know she was the first death"
We don't know if Charlie is the first death. You may point at Henry's dialogue in the insanity ending, but the "wound" doesn't need to be the first death. It could just be that Scott is telling us Charlie is the first victim of William. Henry's dialogue at that moment is very vague and pretty much either interpretation is valid.
"puts Evan in fnaf 4 house, enlists Michael to scare Evan"
Can you give evidence for these claims?
"That why the dialog says "HE'S had a rough day. Leave him alone TODAY"- implying it's a BOY so NOT Mrs. Afton"
The dialogue is the couch person speaking, not William.
"we see Mrs. Afton NOWHERE in fnaf 4 and we also see Elizabeth nowhere"
They weren't there because they weren't relevant to the story at the time. They could also just be behind the wooden door we see in the living room, or literally anywhere else like work or a friend's house. (Also the patient 71 CDs imply that William DID win the custody case and got full custody of Elizabeth.)
"You might also wonder- then what or who was the animatronic in midnight motorists?
I believe it was an extremely early and experimental version of funtime freddy or circus baby, made with the ability to find and lure children- that snuck out to it's creator's home- only to find a child. Why was it built? Because I believe that William always had dark thoughts and impulses, and it was the divorce that set him off and made him want to kill Charlie THAT SAME NIGHT of the separation- which explains why William is so angry and why Mike is so upset!"
Again, please provide evidence.
@@majamaranda6618 it's a theory, and it makes way more sense than the one depicted in this video since none of what I said is contradicted- also no. The person on the chair wasn't the one talking. The text is orange 🤦♂️Mrs. Afton and Elizabeth WERE narratively important in fnaf 4- especially Elizabeth because we LITERALLY SEE HER EMPTY ROOM. Scott cawthon made the specific design choice to make the only other bedroom shown in fnaf 4 a FEMALE BEDROOM belonging to a little girl.
@@RedLogicYT the text was grey not orange
Maybe the real runaway was the friends we made along the way
In Fnaf 2 Golden Freddy is a physical entity. It's jumpscare can kill you and cause a game over. In Fnaf 1 Golden Freddy is a hallucination as it's presence is caused by multiple hallucination events, it ignores the game mechanics and CANNOT kill Mike. Instead of a game over you get returned to the title screen as though the night you played never happened. The mini games in Fnaf 2 are also the memories of specific animatronics, namely the ones who jumpscare to end them. Golden Freddy does this so it IS real in this location. Fredbear was also the ONLY possible yellow suit that could have been in the back in fnaf 2 as Spring Bonnie was stored at a different location by William Afton and according to Phone Guy in Fnaf 3 was 'noticeably moved' at times meaning it was routinely being used. The yellow suit in Fnaf 2 was used ONCE and caused severely negative behaviour in all the other mascots afterwards; 'now none of them are acting right' phone guy says. This maybe when Cassidy gets killed by Afton. The suit was used pre-shift according to Phone Guy so would have to have been used on the day shift like when the MCI occured. This means Cassidy was the last victim and because she died from the suit she haunts, the puppet couldn't give her a mask like we see in give gifts, give life. Golden Freddy ends the mini game because the fifth ghost doesn't get a mask but a spring lock victim wouldn't need one.