The French 1777 flintlock pistol in action
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Shooting the French 1777 flintlock cavalry pistol was something that was on my bucket list for a long time. This martial pistol plays an important part in firearms history being one of the very first models to have a separate frame. This firearm looks beautiful, but I was always curious how it performs with the original service ball, service load. Now here is the answer. History, tactics and modern time target shooting. Enjoy! Want to support our work? By a Capandball product: kapszli.hu/en/t...
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.70 caliber pistol? Damn, that's big enough you could load it with buckshot and it'd be devastating at short range.
An early example of munitions "standardisation". The 1777 Charleville musket carried by the French troops was also 0.69" calibre, so the ball would fit either the musket or the pistol.
^Talk about a 'perfect pair' lol
69 caliber is the same as a 12 gauge shotgun.... buck and ball for the win!
Dick Tickles Why we winned all the battles? Thanks for this pistol! Vive la France!🇫🇷
Romain Theories napoleonic wars, Franco-Prussian war, the Second World War.
Now imagine shooting one of these from a moving horse...
I think I’d rather be on a horse than on foot so long as I don’t encounter any other cavalry.
Now imagine resting and recuperating on a beach late in the afternoon...
The warm Sun drifts slowly across the sky, and floats confidently but ever so gently down towards the horizon, while the remaining fluffy clouds obscure its beam like feather downing suspended in the moment; leisurely biding their time above where the sky meets the sea. The breeze exerts a cool, calming feeling on your skin as it brushes against your face, comforting you as it does so. You find yourself standing on the soft sand, still warm from the summer Sun earlier in the day, but now slowly mellowing to a reassuring tepidity...
And then some idiot shoots you with an old flintlock pistol. Stunned, you look up to see Frank Olegson. You and Frank go way back, but it is not a history you care to remember. Your history with Frank's daughter Isabella, however, is one that you do remember - and gladly. Ms. Isabella, you remember, is a strikingly pretty brunette in her early twenties, and has always bee...
*And then you die*
tbf, they would probably get within 25 feet/8 meters before firing from horseback. Just far enough to be outside of pike/melee range.
Idk why he only shot at 25 meters and 3 meters . I think something in between would be more representative of their usage case.
Thank You Sir for the demonstration and the explaination about those old model of weapons. We don't often see them working.
That pistol is more accurate when thrown
M Kennedy lmao
These things were pointed, i.e. aimed instinctively like a longbow and over distances not exceeding 15- 20 meters. If you try to aim along the barrel of this thing as if it were a modern pistol you won’t hit a thing. Shooting these things requires a skillset most modern shooters don’t have since they are hardwired to shoot with sights. Shooting instinctively requires un-learning everything you thought you knew about aiming.
@@ChristianThePagan With such a loose fitting projectile and no rifling there's no way to really be accurate with that thing. The ball will end up deviating in a random direction depending on how much and what angle of spin it ends up with from impacting the walls of the barrel.
mysock351C Where is it chiseled in stone that the ball has to be loose fitting? When loaded carefully with a tight fitting ball these things can be surprisingly accurate out to 10-15 meters. If I was issued a couple of these things I’d load each carefully with a tight fitting ball before going into action for two accurate shots and then transition to a sabre which was the standard practice at the time. Better two accurate shots at a distance than having to ride up to your opponent and shove the thing into his ribs before firing. There is a reason why many officers took duelling pistols into the field, they and their ammo was made with accuracy in mind.
@@ChristianThePagan I never said it was. But even a tighter fitting ball will be inaccurate due to imbalances and aerodynamics, esp. the Magnusson effect if the ball attains any spin. If you did a nice job casting it, cleaning up the sprue and polishing it, and fully packing it with wading I agree it would probably help. In order to somewhat "replicate" rifling the ball has to remain stationary in flight, which is a tough task. Any rotation, imbalance, or surface imperfections at all will cause it to deviate at random. I can say that loading a BB gun with actual precision ball bearings made it quite accurate. But a ball bearing has a very nice surface finish and is dynamically balanced. Something very hard to do with casting, esp. in the 17th and 18th century, not to mention the bore has to be kept very clean or you have a hand grenade instead of a gun.
Calebcity really got me watching this lmaoooo 🤣🤣🤣
Samee😂
60 grains charge is a musket powder load. For a .69 pistol the manufacturer Pedersoli suggests 25 - 30 grains FFFG
It's a very close group for this model. You are really good shooter
Great work. The pistol seems to have great lock time. Is it "as manufactured" or did you do any tuning?
Thanks! The frizzen was very soft, did not give enough sparks so I hardened it with some Kasenit.
***** That stuff is mint. It worked well for sure.
I see we share the same interests in channels! patiently waiting for your next post!!
keith moore How could you say "black powder" in Hungarian?.... Cap 'n' Ball, that's how. Capital stuff this.
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the beginning slo mo is so cool
This pistol was supposed to be fired at 'brûle pourpoint' (point blank), I don't think accuracy was ever a concern. As a hussard for instance you were supposed to fire it then draw your sword.
I disagree. The pistol was a secondary weapon for the light cavalry. First is the sabre, last line of defense is the pistol. Both the French and both the Austrian manuals shared info on maximum shooting range for flintlock pistol. Not a point blank arm at all. Wheel lock pistols were supposed to be used as primary cavalry arm in the 17th century, but not in the late 18th and first half of 19th century.
Will it take a glock magazine?
Stephen Keeler the bore is nearly big enoug to fit it. so yes as a projectile
Yes, but only the 10 bullet clip magazine. Kind of like what the glockteen 11 takes.
Na, Colt Peacemaker mags work tho.
Yeah I’ve seen 100rnd drums in em
I think your shots were really spread out because of the way the powder and ball and packed into the barrel differently each time. It will be seated in there at a different angle every time.
Even if it is not very accurate it still would be a neat addition to a collection
this is the best youtube channel :)
Also really nice shooting there
Why the bullets were round In shape in 1700 - 1800
Your videos are great and I like your enjoyment at the end with hitting the clay-brilliant!!
Any chance you can do a review of the AN IX?
Thanks!
Yet another cool vid. Man your channel is so chill.
On a side note, could it be possible that you do some slow-mo shots? That would be awesome to see a slow-mo of flint lock pistol.
When it came time to shoot the pistol and balls were hitting all over the target at 20m, I could only muse that Capandball is a European Champion shot, and it shows. In spite of firing a short-barreled smoothbore pistol with under-sized balls, he was hitting the target! Amazing.
another nice video ^^
On the next antique gun you shoot can you put a camera or a microphone on the travel of the bullet ? I will love to hear how loud is the bullet.
OK, I'll try that!
Guillaume Darras That would be quiet a challenge, you get that right?
Man like the video, hope you do more muskets and flintlocks also the history behind it being as a marshal type flintlock, very well done👏
Smoozbur
great video! I would really like to see the Brown Bess at one point , the musket that conquered the entire world
It was the British navy that conquered the world...not the Brown Bess
I like how the dog barked at 2:29😂
What company makes these??? I didn't catch it in the video. (3:12)
Love you're vid's keep up the good work and FIRST .
Great Job. That one does have a fast lock time. No wonder the lance was still a very effective weapon. Wonderful job as always.
This video was a lot fun to watch! In my heart teen years I have revived a 2 model Italian copy of the Brown Bess in kit form. I shot balls but never lead shot. I plan to do that soon!
Incredible material!!! Please, continue!!!
Very useful and deadly in close range
try it with buck and ball, I had one imported by Dixie G.W. many years ago, it was great with either #5 shot on rabbits-squirrels or Buck&Ball just to shoot for fun out in the woods
I've always wanted to fire a black powder gun, do they have more recoil then a modern weapon?
Shooting accurately from horseback is not as easy as one might think. Add to that the delay between pulling the trigger and the actual firing of the gun that one experiences with flintlocks, it gets much more difficult again.
Even with modern revolvers shooting accurately from horseback requires a lot of practice. Even a human sized target at ten yards is easy to miss on the back of a galloping horse. It is a bit like running and shooting at the same time only harder. Timing is every thing. Nothing is more fun than shooting from horse back.
I've never shot bows from horse back but I suspect that also takes a lot of practice. The very powerful short bows used for buffalo hunting by native Americans were intended to be used at very close ranges in both hunting and war.
Do you have access to Krnka 1869 it's metal cartridge 15.24x40 russian gun , I never found a good video for that just curious how it shoots? Great videos :-)
AC III vibes..
Anyone here from Assassin's Creed? I'm here from Rogue and I'm impressed by how accurate the shot sounds and looks in the game compared to real life
Rafael Muniz that guns is not in the game
The flintlock, matchlock, wheellock and caplock - need the loading system, like in double barreled shotgun. And you can load the cardboard or metal cartridge with a bullet and load the shells. Any type and caliber. And instal the any scope, any type of the sight. Then you can't miss!)
I liked the use for skeet! Good thinking.
I picked one up today. They're rather impressive.
could you do more videos on flintlock pistols?
That was fun. Now we know how so many people survived pistol duels. It was not uncommon for both parties to miss, decide honor had been served, then walked away, happy to be alive.
It would still be useful for firing into the ranks and riding away to reload. :)
Yes, the aim of the duel was not necessarily killing the other person, but to show that you stand up for your honour.
Even with modern weapons the majority of people killed with pistols are less than seven yards from the pistol. No matter what you can do on a range, a real fighting situation will rob you of a large percentage of your range skills. Same is true of unarmed fighting.
Stress has a powerful effect on the mind and the body.
Burr accidentally killed President Jackson in their duel. He was actually trying to just wound him. But point of aim was decidedly...off.
Aiming at the centre of body mass might be the safest shot with one of these. Safe in that you will likely miss altogether.
It certainly wasn't a career move on Burr's part.
Alexander Hamilton
my thoughts exactly!! if I had to use it in combat i'd load either no.4 or double ought buck!! use it as a sawed off shotgun!!
just as you did i was thinking it would make a nice shotgun pistol or just whatever was lying around similar to the blunderbus
Easy
Earrape edition
He said not easy
I thoroughly enjoy your videos. They are so educational and fun to watch. Do you recommend any books on historical pistols?
Fine shooting mate.
Maybe try using larger caliber but lubricating the load so it would be more accurate.
Who knew that the 1777 flintlock pistol would be so good for skeet shooting
This is why it was possible for soldiers in the Napoleonic period to march shoulder to shoulder and not be mown down in droves. That said, you DID manage to hit the target from 25m - with a slow, heavy, ball that would have caused a lot of damage to the person it hit, even if it was not the person you aimed at :-)
Yes, I was able to, but let's not forget that I was shooting the pistol from a rest, I am much more educated in pistol shooting than a contemporary horse soldier and the enemy was not shooting at me in the meantime :)
Considering the pistol's accuracy, I'm not sure shooting it from a rest makes that much of a difference. :D
Is there anything written about the use of buckshot in these Pistols I imagine that the use of double o buckshot from this bores at close distance must be devastating.
Thanks for sharing
Greetings 308
Nice. A short range fowler. Just what everyone needs.
Some nice "wing" shooting at the end!
Loved the video
Are there any original examples of these pistols being cased, either singly or in pairs? I haven;t been able to find info about this.
No sights because what difference would it make
I wonder if they might have ever used Buck & Ball in those pistols to increase hit probability.
Great video! And good skeet shooting
You should do some horseback shooting to test the accuracy at full gallop. Or is that illegal nowadays?
Anyone know the name of the painting at 1:39? Its fantastic.
Peter Snayers «Een veldslag»
The video shows the original flintlock pistol? I badly understand English by ear.
Cool video,could make a video while shooting with a flintlock pistol 1798 grey??
I have an odd question for you. The Charleville 1777 is one of my favorite flintlock pistols by design but the company that made reproductions I think, Armi San Marco, went out of business back in 2005 or sometime around then so finding these is hard to come by. However, Military Heritage has a French 1766 Model Cavalry pistol and they're similar in design with that slick look and tapered barrel. Is it possible to make modifications to the 1766 to make it into the 1777?
Thanks
great video--thanks--i enjoyed it. wish i could find one of those pistols.
I enjoyed the video as usual! I have recently acquired a Belgian 'copy" of what looks to be the French 1768 pistol you show as the predecessor of the 1777 pistol. I have yet to shoot it, but will soon! I intend to shoot paper cartridges as you did, but what diameter bullet do you use in this .69 cal pistol and the paper cartridge? Have you ever tried the Buck & Ball load in such a pistol?The "skeet" shooting looked fun, I should surely try!!Many thanks your excellent work!!Stephen Shackleton, Texas
Eggcelent!!great vid!thank you
I know I’m watching in 2018 can you do a .50 cal English flintlock pistol please if you can.
Is the barrel construction simple enough to make a rifled version with sights? The locktime is so fast that it may be worth it just for fun ? Maybe a caliber change also ?
Please review the Harpers Ferry 1805 Pistol.
Fascinating 1777🎉😊.
Is there a link to purchase this reproduction pistol? Also, could you list the loading specifications for skeet shooting with it? Sounds like an interesting endeavor. Great video!
- dubstepsheep - Google's your friend bro
It’s a beautiful pistol.
Nice review.
Have you chronographed any of these black powder pistols?
Is it possible to get subtitles for these videos the auto generated ones are awful.
well the accuracy might not be good but that pistol is not meant for target shooting most of the time you would probably shoot at a concentration of troops like a tightly packed infantry line and in that case accuracy is not that important but you would still be quite outgunned by infantry muskets because of this as i understand it many countries saw firearms as a secondary weapon and sabers or lances as the primary
Excellent video, subscribed a question please. What's the chance of hitting a 2 meter wide target, repeatedly with this at 50 meters? by someone trained and untrained. (trying to bust a myth).
I looked through your videos and didn't see any but do you have any videos on a match lock gun?
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Asszem te vagy az első magyar, aki nem a kiejtésemet fikázza :)
capandball :D jól hangzik ahogy ki ejted a szavakat
I wonder if I can put an ACOG on it....
I love your single hand shotgun. It was more effective than I anticipated. LOL
"Buck and Ball" might make this a useful pistol.
is that an original I'm shocked it still work
What kind of rammer are you using? Where is it available?
How come that the barrel is so thin, despiten the caliber and load?
I think it would make a decent 18th century shotgun pistol if anything.
I always saw these as more like a tiny blunderbuss than as pistols
Big bullet.
What would be the effective range with buckshot?
why they weren't use them with buckshot in combat back then? with the little accuracy of the smoothbore, flintlock mechanism and no sights of the pistol they would have more chances to hit someone!
Did you watch? With a ball the procedure is powder, ball, tamp, prime, cock, shoot. With shot, it's powder, wad, tamp, shot, wad, tamp, prime, shoot. You want to do that in combat? You also need to kill a guy possibly wearing steel armor, hitting them isn't enough.
superglue some trijicon sights on that beast.
flintlocks are cool
0000 buckshot would be interesting.
is it possible they really did not go for distance, as any battle then would have been face to face up close and I mean up close.so accuracy really would not have mattered, keep the videos coming...
Actually, why didn't they convert it to a shotgun, like you did? That would be way more devastating!
Actually, I don't know if 'shotguns' existed back then, was it deemed unhonourably?
MOAR FLINTLOCKS
Great lookin' pistol, much "fun" to shoot at very close range with anything you could "stuff" down the bore! Bread dressing, grapes, corn, gravel, spent .22 cases, nails, the skies da limit! How about shooting grass or flower seeds at hard to reach places?! The pistol would make a great vase too! A good place to schtick your finger so you don't pick your nose! "Ach du lieber mein schatz, und Gesundheit !!!!! Simply, I'd love to buy such a pistol if the price is decent. YA!
nice
For this pistol there will also a table for lodging in the battle field.
After researching this pistol...it was HATED by a lot by 1800
if ever there was a firelock for the use of buck and ball , it would be this one