I can't believe these guys are still in business. About 10yrs ago I ordered an xcr. After over a year wait i finally cancelled my order. Always "its being built this week". What a clown show.
my local gun shop said the same thing. the gun shop owner said whoever is running their sales dept is running the company into the ground. he loved his XCR, and said it's a damn shame they hate making money, because it's a good rifle.
@@depthcharge126 Bruh PSA bout to get 99% of my own personal market share. Been waiting for their 5.45 guns for years and now the JAKL looking pretty lit.
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn the entire industry has moved to mlok years ago. there is thousands of hand guards for any number of platforms that are the same thickness in a variety of materials.
@@oso1165 I owned a Keymod XCR-L in the past. The barrel has a large trunnion and it nearly takes up the internal diameter of the handguard. They must require a wider diameter rail because mlok has deeper mounting hardware than Keymod. Unlike the MCX the hand guard is part of the upper and cannot be removed when swapping barrels. Good for keeping rail-mounted accessories zeroed, bad for lack of modularity.
My recon came with a threaded muzzle with an A2 birdcage on it. My old 20 inch version had a integral brake. The quality of these makes H&Ks look cheap.
When I hear 2500 dollars for a gun I automatically start thinking thank GOD for palmetto state Armory. They don’t gouge the heck out of people for a gun ! They actually want people to be able to afford them !
The M96 design was during the assault weapon ban. They are cool but lack features like bayonet lug, removable flash hider, folding stock, etc. Wish they would update the design and continue producing them.
Agreed, I have emailed them in the past and was told, " we don't have any more parts, but may make some spares in the future." Additionally, if they made new barrels and conversion parts, existing owners would buy them. particularly barrels with threaded muzzle and parts to make a "Mk.23" version....they never made this.
So here’s the thing. They can make 200 from “leftover parts”, sell them for $2500/ea,, sure. They CANNOT then go into full production and charge anything Less than $2500, lest they p-off previous buyers and risk damaging the brand name. If we can get ARs for 500-1200 and AKs for 700-1200 - and Brownells can release a retro AR-10 for 1500.........$2500 is a cruel joke.
@@Wolfstanus Yes. I have been around a "length of time". Yes. I've heard the gripes (back in the day) of no parts/support for some of their products. They've been riding their last line for 15 years - so this is a fresh chance to create more ill will :D
Hope like hell you stock spare parts for those rifles. I got rid of mine 15 years ago because they had NO spare parts for them. And its now Way over priced. SOS.
As an M96 owner this kinda pisses me off. they had enough parts to make 200 rifles, but when asked about spares, I was told. we dont have any right now, but might make some spares in the future. I dont shoot this awesome gun much because of the lack of support from Rob Arms. If they went back into actual production, I'd be happy. If they made the conversion parts for the various configurations I'd be happy.
I feel ya, bro. I bought an M96 back in 2003 and shot the heck out of it until a small pin broke. Tried to get some support from Robinson Arms but by then they refused any help. Said they didn’t have any spare parts and wouldn’t be making any more. Thought I was SOL but luckily a gunsmith friend found a part that would work. Now, I’m very reluctant to shoot this gun. I wouldn’t buy another gun from them if they were the last manufacturer on Earth.
Did he actually say 5-10k for a class 3 Stoner 63?!?! Sign me up for two! The last one that went across Rock Island’s auction block went for almost 70k....
I had an M96 years ago. An interesting gun but the promised belt feed kit never materialized. Also not supported by spare parts so not a practical shooter. Gave mine to an old friend who rarely shoots but needed a decent home defense gun. Be very careful of any promises.
Severely disappointed, I'd 10 times rather have a Stoner 63 over a BRN 180, which I love! They'll be gone in a few days, unfortunately. Btw: the XCR is an outstanding rifle suffering from a company unable or unwilling to update and fully market and support it. The XCR does have a devoted cult following, but nothing like the cult following of the 63.
They should just make this a regular production rifle, not a limited time 200. I've wanted one of these for years, but I'm not ready to buy it just yet.
This project has already hit a major roadblock. If you go to their website they have tried to backpedal and now say it turns out they dont have enough parts after all and are looking into making certain parts in order to put the 200 guns together...
I mean I'm glad it's coming back at all but why 200 only? That's nuts there is way more demand for this rifle than 200 pieces. Why would you not put it back in to standard production? I have two M96's myself and would love to buy a Bren conversion kit and spare parts or possibly even a third one! This seems like a huge missed opportunity if Robinson doesn't make any more than that...
@@JohnDoe-nf7up I don't agree, they could have standard production again and still set the MSRP at $2499. With some time they would probably drop and sell around $1700-2000 which I think is a fair price for the rifle. I don't know why people balk at price tags on this kind of stuff either. It's a completely unique production gun from a small manufacturer of course it's going to be expensive. What I hope happens is these sell out almost instantly and that shows Robinson they need to put this back into regular production. Then there's hope the price could lower over time and we might even get things like the belt fed conversion kit!!!
They had the parts in their warehouse to make the 200. If the 200 fly off the shelf maybe then they will make the decision weather to produce more. They are trying to gauge the interest level. People that already own these are already pissed at Robinson for their lack of support, that is an issue that they will need to deal with.
The owner really doesn't care I read what he had posted on ARFcom years ago a real nut job basically told everyone to "F" off and he would not be supporting this system ever again so don't ask. That's a true story the owner doesn't care about this gun I believe they are telling the truth they had a bunch of parts for 200 guns to get rid of his old inventory since he still gets emails about this especially from Canadians since this gun is not on their ban list. I really don"t think he cares about making bank at all right now the Retro world exploded it makes sense to make these and get a payout on production but he wont all about his XCR that no one needs. I also believe Armalite is stupid as well they could make a awesome AR180 C clone copy AR180 they are missing the bus on the Retro movement sometimes I wonder how these companies function really?
@@todd2048 Yeah I know there is a history of Robinson shafting their customer's on the M96. Doesn't mean people and companies can't change, at least that's what I hope. I work for a medium sized firearms company and the honest answer is the people at the top are usually morons. There are a bunch of great opportunities right now for retro guns and not many are capitalizing on them. The problem is the leadership of most firearms companies. They are not passionate about firearms most of the time they see it purely as "What can make us the biggest profit margin?" it's a sad reality.
Had my original M96 recon out a few weekends ago and its always a pleasure to shoot. An excellent shooter and very accurate. Would love to find some spare trigger and bolt parts just to have if I ever need them.
@@themastermason1 Because M-lok is better (by an insignificant margin), and when the market is as boring as it has been since the AWB, many people will take any minor """innovation""" they can get.
This is way over priced originally these sold for ($990.00) why the $2000.00 hike on a freaking Postban gun? Robinson Arms didn't tool up and make parts from scratch these were made almost 20 yrs ago so labor and costs have been paid back if anything these should be cheaper their is no Stoner flashider or no Stoner folding stock no bayolug WTF? I would love to have a Stoner Copy and would pay $2000.00 for a real Clone copy but this is BS. Anyway what do you expect from a guy who abandon his original customers years ago on the system.
I agree wholeheartedly with the need for coverage and when I owned one from 2015-2018 I truly loved it. Overall I still regard the XCR-L with having the smoothest charging handle, most solid action, the most efficient ejection system, and the simplest barrel-change system (with no noticeable zero shift) out of any multi-cal rifle to date. But there were a few issues that eventually lead me to sell it (and a .300 conversion kit with it). I feel like it would be irresponsible for me to not inform you about a few issues I had. 1.) _5.56 Suppression._ A 16" barrel with a Sig762QD suppressor on the lower gas settings still had backpressure that redirected gasses through the receiver gap, which happens to be right in front of the shooter's eye. Despite sporting a very adjustable gas piston system and having superb ejection, it had more gas to the eye than an AR. This can be remedied with tape or silicone sealant on the receiver, but without it this was a glaring problem. .300 had no issues whatsoever and was a dream to shoot. 2.) _Overall weight and dimensions._ Since getting into suppressed shooting, front weight and profile become big factors when optimizing a fighting rifle. While the magazine sits very close to the chamber, this geometry comes at the cost of having the barrel sit 0.5" further forward than an AR. When every inch comes into play (especially when a suppressor is involved) it is one of those things you begin to notice. The same can be said for the weapon's forward balance point. 3.) _Recoil._ Despite being one of the heavier 5.56/.300 rifles, the piston recoil caused the weapon to have more noticeable climb than ARs of similar barrel length and suppressor weights. While I'd hate to be picky about this obvious drawback of piston systems, this factor coupled with heavier weight and a lack of gas mitigation didn't add up when considering this weapon system for a serious role. To it's credit the long-stroke piston system did run cleanly and reliably. 4.) _The Stock._ I regarded the Type II stock as the best I've ever seen in 2013 due to its slim profile and solid construction. It was easy to adjust and absorbed recoil well, but its flaw is that the locking surfaces would sheer themselves down over time, making the stock loose. (Something Sig's MCX stock hinge addresses) Rob Arm's solution to this was a set screw you'd loosen and make the stock lock up tight. Only that it would 'tighten' the gap by forcing the stock hinge open rather than pulling it shut. In essence it would lock the stock in a position where it wasn't fully closed. A crooked stock, even by a few millimeters is not in-line whatsoever. Electrical tape on the locking surfaces remedied this because they locked the stock by forcing the hinge closed and protected the surfaces from wearing out further. 4.) _Upgradability._ The XCR is an excellent $2000 gun, but it has no means of becoming greater than that. Despite delivering in ways the ACR and SCAR couldn't, its lack of aftermarket support severely hinders any way of making this excellent weapon become greater. No triggers, few stock options, and no means of shaving the weight. It just felt like a dead end when I really tried to make it outcompete ARs. I wish you the best in your next purchase and hope you don't find yourself in a similar love/hate relationship with your rifle of choice. If you do get an XCR-L then you should be just fine for what it's worth. Good luck!
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn Great input. I can't say anything about the XCR suppressed but I can say it was a great rifle and I miss mine. Was the ol' skeleton stock and quad rail setup, very front heavy but ran great
John1911 Gun Blog ... I got they have 200 total M-96 firearms.... if a order for a Bren comes in, it will be taken and made from the 200 count.. All Black Rifles Matter
“found some parts in the back” To me that sounds like we stashed them away for a long time and thrown them together sold them for a few grand and now were laughing to the back as they’re falling to bits “10 em em”
Anyone here a fan of Primary and Secondary, who is hoping Robinson will bring back the best performing .308 gun of the head to head tests? XCR was it? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS GOING TO COST THAT MUCH?!?! WHAT?
I've never had my hopes crushed so quickly in my life. Really bumb'd out. Was hoping this was gunna be a regular thing and I'd be able to get a cuck state version. Sad!
I just saw a Stoner 62/63 sell for $60,000......!!!! come on Robinson Arms, im a Every day family man with a young family, The Stoner 63 is my Wish list gun! you guys need to make them more affordable to guys like me! and you would sell more than anything probably AMERICA STRONG STAY FREE LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC
Cadillac Gage produced about 3,500 "Stoner 63's"of all configurations, Robinson Armament produced about 3,500 "M96" rifles of all Configurations. Of all Stoner 63 produced of all configurations, very few "only a handful" were of magazine top fed configuration, of all M96 Rifles of all configurations, only 100 in two batches of 50 were of magazine top fed configuration.
That is such utter BULLSHIT. The M96 isn't HALF as good as a Stoner 63. Unless you like a gun that WILL break it's bolt at some random time in the future. Unless you like a gun whose fire selector can't be operated from the shoulder. Unless you like a gun that can't keep the Q.D. barrel in the trunion half the time. Unless you like a gun whose trigger group can't even hold itself together without a bunch of cotter pins....etc. etc. etc. Materials and workmanship aside, the design isn't NEAR what a real Stoner is and internally is NOTHING like a true Stoner 63.
I bought one in 99. Never sent it back for upgrades. Serial # starts with HP. Original in box with manual and lock. Want one to shoot, so I contacted RobArms when this video came out, said they put me on a mailing list. I check in periodically, but never heard a whisper about when this rifle will be made again.
Will any of these firearm manufacturers ever remember those of us in the "middle class" and build some quality offerings in these models, among others, that are affordable? There's no way myself, or many of my friends, will ever be able to chunk down $1000-$2500 on most of these new products being shown. The manufacturers are pricing themselves right out of a huge portion of possible customers...and that doesn't make a whole lot of "business" sense to me. Or, maybe I'm just being delusional...idk.
Only 200... almost hyped about it and then severely disappointed. I am sure since I just found out about it that these are already all spoken for by now. Oh and why do y'all use a proprietary lower on the XCR anyway? Is it necessary? Don't you think you'd sell more if it worked on a regular-ass AR lower and you sold the upper by itself? Also, don't you think it'd make sense to drop KeyMod like everybody else has? It's over, M-LOK won. Unless you're contract bound you're not winning any sales by sticking to KeyMod.
Was excited... only making a production run of 200? Lame, I'll never even see one. They're just going to get rid of their spare parts and then continue fucking their customers with complete lack of support like they did for the M96. I hope Brownells or KAC makes one for real, a 63 or 63a.
They need to make more than just 200. I have dreamed of having one for the longest time, and now it is only in a limited run? PALMETTO PLEASE DO SOMETHING
Right. So instead of making parts and components for those of us believed your hype and bought one in the 90's you are just putting together parts to sell off the remaining stock of components. Now you will have 200 new customers who hate you because spare parts and service for the M96 will remain unavailable. Every one of those 200 rifles will remain a safe queen for fear of breaking the weapon and not being able to get it fixed. Not impressed.
Interesting rifle but I will pass at this price point. You are making a mistake by pricing based on what you see people pay for existing ones on gunbroker. So I will just go ahead and buy a Galil Ace in 5.56. But I do appreciate the effort to bring these back. Back in the day I would have bought one when I was younger but you stopped making them just about the time I was ready to buy.
Seems perfectly reasonable. We’re going to scrape together all of the remaining parts that we have left and sell those guns to the public at a vastly overinflated price, and once those are gone that is it! So in essence as with the previous generation of this rifle, if a part breaks on your shiny new stoner 63 clone you will be the proud owner of a $3000 paperweight. Lots of luck guys. As for me, “pass“.
aw man I had no idea George Michael (Michael Ceras character) started a YT channel and its about guns. Go figure. haha jk good stuff, that Stoner 63 is so dope, been a while since I felt any real rifle envy but Im feeling it, those are sweet rifles. Going to break out south across that border one of these days and finally start to live happy, all the fun stuff is on the American side. Canada sucks when none of the things youre interested in are things that you can do and enjoy.
I’m so sick and tired of these gun companies doing nothing but limited releases and over pricing the fuck out of everything. Makes no sense that the average joe that only has under $1000 to spend on a gun has no other choice then a ar15 or Ak variant. I can almost guarantee that the company that starts making a mass quantity of other weapons like mp5s, AUGs, retro rifles, etc. and sells them at a reasonable price will dominate the market.
Still don’t understand the fad with pcc’s. I guess they met be fun to shoot, but if you’re going to have something the size of a rifle, why not just use a rifle caliber?? That stoner 63 tho. I wish they’d start making them again
Hopefully if they sell well they'll make more and it will drive the cost down, crossing my fingers but who knows. Though they cost as much as a Scar those rifles are freaking awesome, wish we could more things like that!
And yet what comes to my mind is that cringe worthy open letter RA put out a few years back. I think I’m gonna continue to pass on their products, if they likely ever see my criticisms of the letter or questioning the other issues I’ve seen in their product I’ll go to the back of the line anyways.
I can't believe these guys out of everyone have the damm rights to this gun, and they've just been sitting on it all these years. What a freaking waste man. I hope psa gets around to building one of their own and puts it out for like half that. I'd buy 2 out of spite.
Why even bother making a video on the Stoner if theyre only going to make 200 of them? The 200 theyre gonna put together are probably already sold to those who had the insider before they even made the announcement. All this is gonna do is piss people off.
Why are you even wasting our time announcing this. A 200 limited production run that is already mostly sold out at a ridiculous price, this was a huge waste of my time.
So yeah this video showed the gun but for the rest of us gun nuts we will never see or own one because of how limited the runs are.. They are basically parts kits with a bit of newer parts.
I’m glad you guys will kickstart PSA to make 10,000 stoner63s for only $599 :)
Yeeees!
Lol that's funny.
Ya right!? I was actually forming the same idea in my mind too.
And a .338 Norma Magnum
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
The whole “parts we found in the back” smells of Arsenal style tactics.
Thomas Kwei do you think that would prevent you from buying one? 😁
@@10mikemike89 it'd definitely prevent me from it....
Where does Arsenal style tactics come from. Im not familiar
@@youronlinegirlfriend5508 Hold stuff for a long time. Do a shit job putting them together. Sell for premium, laugh as they fall apart
Ya, kinda bullshit, sorry. 200 isn't even worthy of mention.
It would be nice it they would regularly manufacture them.
Would bring the price down too.
And quality honestly
@@TheeCambion naah, dosent have to be true
Jesus I thought they were going to restart manufacturing not just make 200. $2500-$3400. I got mine for $1000 when they first came out.
shiiieeet, ill give you 1200$
What year was that if you don't mind me asking?
They are going for like 3000 on gunbroker with the conversations kit costing another 2000 if you can find them
Preban?
See, $1000 is reasonable.
So they are charging $2500 for parts kits they have had sitting around for years and a few small new parts?
It's Stoner 63 we're talking about...
@Jake Cain Well, it's the closest to Stoner 63 before going to collector realm. At that point, $2500 is super cheap
Basically yea.
To be honest, manufacturing small new parts can be a colossal nightmare.
@@yangcheng-jyun8542 Unless you get an Armalite AR18 (or more realistically, an Armalite AR180.) Obviously not the same gun, but very similar.
I can't believe these guys are still in business. About 10yrs ago I ordered an xcr. After over a year wait i finally cancelled my order. Always "its being built this week". What a clown show.
my local gun shop said the same thing. the gun shop owner said whoever is running their sales dept is running the company into the ground. he loved his XCR, and said it's a damn shame they hate making money, because it's a good rifle.
Brownells keeps them in stock.
I got an XCR back in 2008 in 7.62x39. Phenomenal rifle.
Only 200 and it sounds like you've already sold them all? Screw you guys.
Right. This should be brownells next project.
Don’t worry this will cause a market to spring up and PSA will make them for $599 for anyone who wants them
@@depthcharge126 Bruh PSA bout to get 99% of my own personal market share. Been waiting for their 5.45 guns for years and now the JAKL looking pretty lit.
Mabs I love the fuckers. Look at their booth videos and they’re like “mp5? Ak9? Improved ak? Come on, actually challenge us a bit.”
@@depthcharge126 And then by Gen 2 it might be finally reliable!
$2,500 BUCKS....NOPE
lmao the xcr is still in keymod 😂
They have a mlock version. They default to keymod because it allows a slimmer handguard.
@@steelwolf411 bullshit
@@oso1165 Everything Steel Wolf says is true. The Mlok variant requires thicker rails and is a more expensive option.
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn the entire industry has moved to mlok years ago. there is thousands of hand guards for any number of platforms that are the same thickness in a variety of materials.
@@oso1165 I owned a Keymod XCR-L in the past. The barrel has a large trunnion and it nearly takes up the internal diameter of the handguard. They must require a wider diameter rail because mlok has deeper mounting hardware than Keymod. Unlike the MCX the hand guard is part of the upper and cannot be removed when swapping barrels. Good for keeping rail-mounted accessories zeroed, bad for lack of modularity.
I’m kinda confused by a $2500 price point with no Stoner 63 flash hider. I think that should be included for the price.
That’s a lot of ammo for my AR. Just saying
@@10mikemike89 Not in 2021
My recon came with a threaded muzzle with an A2 birdcage on it. My old 20 inch version had a integral brake.
The quality of these makes H&Ks look cheap.
I was excited by the title... but 200?! Wtf
When I hear 2500 dollars for a gun I automatically start thinking thank GOD for palmetto state Armory. They don’t gouge the heck out of people for a gun ! They actually want people to be able to afford them !
The M96 design was during the assault weapon ban. They are cool but lack features like bayonet lug, removable flash hider, folding stock, etc. Wish they would update the design and continue producing them.
They did.
theres only 200 gay
A limited run with insane pricing. Hard pass.
Keymod Icky
but Stoner 63 Makes me Smile.
Dam I'm gonna have to give out a lot of favours behind the dumpster just to afford a stoner 63.
I've got $25
😂👌
Damn, starting at $2,500 with parts they "found" sitting in the warehouse.
If they put the M96 back into full production and got the price under $2000 I would buy one.
Yeah, they're such interesting pieces, but asking over 2k for a stamped steel gun, that has little to no customization options? Nope.
I rather build (4) AR15s
They still need to provide parts and service support for the M96. Didn't hear any mention of that.
Agreed, I have emailed them in the past and was told, " we don't have any more parts, but may make some spares in the future." Additionally, if they made new barrels and conversion parts, existing owners would buy them. particularly barrels with threaded muzzle and parts to make a "Mk.23" version....they never made this.
I guess they found the spare parts but instead of supporting existing rifles they're making 200 guns!
Yeah I have talked to them about parts in the past as well. It's really annoying to see this
So here’s the thing. They can make 200 from “leftover parts”, sell them for $2500/ea,, sure.
They CANNOT then go into full production and charge anything Less than $2500, lest they p-off previous buyers and risk damaging the brand name.
If we can get ARs for 500-1200 and AKs for 700-1200 - and Brownells can release a retro AR-10 for 1500.........$2500 is a cruel joke.
They already damaged their own brand name if you have been around for any length of time
@@Wolfstanus Yes. I have been around a "length of time". Yes. I've heard the gripes (back in the day) of no parts/support for some of their products. They've been riding their last line for 15 years - so this is a fresh chance to create more ill will :D
I thought they were going to go into production. They are going to only make 200?? 2500-3500$ for a kit gun. No. Not feeling it.
What the hell?!?!? Put them back into production. We want them.
I would give $5K-$10K for a transferable Stoner 63 in a heart beat, closer to $60k
If they were $5k I would have a second mortgage
If you resumed production of the Stoner you would make a GIANT profit from the people who appreciate the history of it
Only 200? WTF!
Hope like hell you stock spare parts for those rifles. I got rid of mine 15 years ago because they had NO spare parts for them. And its now Way over priced. SOS.
They're using all the spare parts to make these 200 :)
Plus the belt feed conversion that never materialized.
@@bb5242
Exaktly. If it doesn't belt feed,
Its just bunk dope.
NFA registered transferable Stoner 63 for $5,000 or $10,000???
Are you kidding me?
Try about $100,000.
As an M96 owner this kinda pisses me off. they had enough parts to make 200 rifles, but when asked about spares, I was told. we dont have any right now, but might make some spares in the future. I dont shoot this awesome gun much because of the lack of support from Rob Arms. If they went back into actual production, I'd be happy. If they made the conversion parts for the various configurations I'd be happy.
I feel ya, bro. I bought an M96 back in 2003 and shot the heck out of it until a small pin broke. Tried to get some support from Robinson Arms but by then they refused any help. Said they didn’t have any spare parts and wouldn’t be making any more. Thought I was SOL but luckily a gunsmith friend found a part that would work. Now, I’m very reluctant to shoot this gun. I wouldn’t buy another gun from them if they were the last manufacturer on Earth.
Did he actually say 5-10k for a class 3 Stoner 63?!?! Sign me up for two! The last one that went across Rock Island’s auction block went for almost 70k....
I want a breakdown of why it costs so much. Besides the generous amount of unobtanium used, I don’t get it.
supply and demand
seriously just make new production..
I had an M96 years ago. An interesting gun but the promised belt feed kit never materialized. Also not supported by spare parts so not a practical shooter. Gave mine to an old friend who rarely shoots but needed a decent home defense gun. Be very careful of any promises.
Severely disappointed, I'd 10 times rather have a Stoner 63 over a BRN 180, which I love! They'll be gone in a few days, unfortunately. Btw: the XCR is an outstanding rifle suffering from a company unable or unwilling to update and fully market and support it. The XCR does have a devoted cult following, but nothing like the cult following of the 63.
I'll wait for Brownells to make Stoner 63 repros
$2500 for that ?! lmao good luck
Right. Considering what brownells has priced their retro series, Robinson armament need to rethink their approach on how to introduce a retro rifle.
They will have zero problem selling them out in no time. Be surprised if they aren't gone in a couple of weeks, literally!
Damn it I really wanted them to have like a regular production and now I'll never get one
They should just make this a regular production rifle, not a limited time 200. I've wanted one of these for years, but I'm not ready to buy it just yet.
I think everyone wanted someone to remake the stoner!
This project has already hit a major roadblock. If you go to their website they have tried to backpedal and now say it turns out they dont have enough parts after all and are looking into making certain parts in order to put the 200 guns together...
I mean I'm glad it's coming back at all but why 200 only? That's nuts there is way more demand for this rifle than 200 pieces. Why would you not put it back in to standard production? I have two M96's myself and would love to buy a Bren conversion kit and spare parts or possibly even a third one! This seems like a huge missed opportunity if Robinson doesn't make any more than that...
But putting them in full production doesn't allow them to maintain a stupidly high price
@@JohnDoe-nf7up I don't agree, they could have standard production again and still set the MSRP at $2499. With some time they would probably drop and sell around $1700-2000 which I think is a fair price for the rifle. I don't know why people balk at price tags on this kind of stuff either. It's a completely unique production gun from a small manufacturer of course it's going to be expensive. What I hope happens is these sell out almost instantly and that shows Robinson they need to put this back into regular production. Then there's hope the price could lower over time and we might even get things like the belt fed conversion kit!!!
They had the parts in their warehouse to make the 200. If the 200 fly off the shelf maybe then they will make the decision weather to produce more. They are trying to gauge the interest level. People that already own these are already pissed at Robinson for their lack of support, that is an issue that they will need to deal with.
The owner really doesn't care I read what he had posted on ARFcom years ago a real nut job basically told everyone to "F" off and he would not be supporting this system ever again so don't ask. That's a true story the owner doesn't care about this gun I believe they are telling the truth they had a bunch of parts for 200 guns to get rid of his old inventory since he still gets emails about this especially from Canadians since this gun is not on their ban list. I really don"t think he cares about making bank at all right now the Retro world exploded it makes sense to make these and get a payout on production but he wont all about his XCR that no one needs. I also believe Armalite is stupid as well they could make a awesome AR180 C clone copy AR180 they are missing the bus on the Retro movement sometimes I wonder how these companies function really?
@@todd2048 Yeah I know there is a history of Robinson shafting their customer's on the M96. Doesn't mean people and companies can't change, at least that's what I hope. I work for a medium sized firearms company and the honest answer is the people at the top are usually morons. There are a bunch of great opportunities right now for retro guns and not many are capitalizing on them. The problem is the leadership of most firearms companies. They are not passionate about firearms most of the time they see it purely as "What can make us the biggest profit margin?" it's a sad reality.
Had my original M96 recon out a few weekends ago and its always a pleasure to shoot.
An excellent shooter and very accurate. Would love to find some spare trigger and bolt parts just to have if I ever need them.
Keymod is a deal breaker.
Steve Calovich they have M-Lok variants as well. I was at their booth, great stuff and good crew.
Why did keymod fall off the radar in favor of M-lok?
@@themastermason1 Because M-lok is better (by an insignificant margin), and when the market is as boring as it has been since the AWB, many people will take any minor """innovation""" they can get.
@@reaperreaper5098 Plus, I don't like the way Keymod looks. I looked at Robinson Arms seriously, but ended up going with a P-308.
I like my XCR upper in Keymod because it's slimmer and more comfortable than the Mlok. And besides, my mlok stuff works on OT surprisingly
This is way over priced originally these sold for ($990.00) why the $2000.00 hike on a freaking Postban gun? Robinson Arms didn't tool up and make parts from scratch these were made almost 20 yrs ago so labor and costs have been paid back if anything these should be cheaper their is no Stoner flashider or no Stoner folding stock no bayolug WTF? I would love to have a Stoner Copy and would pay $2000.00 for a real Clone copy but this is BS. Anyway what do you expect from a guy who abandon his original customers years ago on the system.
Never enough coverage of Robinson Armament, 2020 is the year I get an XCR.
I agree wholeheartedly with the need for coverage and when I owned one from 2015-2018 I truly loved it. Overall I still regard the XCR-L with having the smoothest charging handle, most solid action, the most efficient ejection system, and the simplest barrel-change system (with no noticeable zero shift) out of any multi-cal rifle to date. But there were a few issues that eventually lead me to sell it (and a .300 conversion kit with it). I feel like it would be irresponsible for me to not inform you about a few issues I had.
1.) _5.56 Suppression._ A 16" barrel with a Sig762QD suppressor on the lower gas settings still had backpressure that redirected gasses through the receiver gap, which happens to be right in front of the shooter's eye. Despite sporting a very adjustable gas piston system and having superb ejection, it had more gas to the eye than an AR. This can be remedied with tape or silicone sealant on the receiver, but without it this was a glaring problem. .300 had no issues whatsoever and was a dream to shoot.
2.) _Overall weight and dimensions._ Since getting into suppressed shooting, front weight and profile become big factors when optimizing a fighting rifle. While the magazine sits very close to the chamber, this geometry comes at the cost of having the barrel sit 0.5" further forward than an AR. When every inch comes into play (especially when a suppressor is involved) it is one of those things you begin to notice. The same can be said for the weapon's forward balance point.
3.) _Recoil._ Despite being one of the heavier 5.56/.300 rifles, the piston recoil caused the weapon to have more noticeable climb than ARs of similar barrel length and suppressor weights. While I'd hate to be picky about this obvious drawback of piston systems, this factor coupled with heavier weight and a lack of gas mitigation didn't add up when considering this weapon system for a serious role. To it's credit the long-stroke piston system did run cleanly and reliably.
4.) _The Stock._ I regarded the Type II stock as the best I've ever seen in 2013 due to its slim profile and solid construction. It was easy to adjust and absorbed recoil well, but its flaw is that the locking surfaces would sheer themselves down over time, making the stock loose. (Something Sig's MCX stock hinge addresses) Rob Arm's solution to this was a set screw you'd loosen and make the stock lock up tight. Only that it would 'tighten' the gap by forcing the stock hinge open rather than pulling it shut. In essence it would lock the stock in a position where it wasn't fully closed. A crooked stock, even by a few millimeters is not in-line whatsoever. Electrical tape on the locking surfaces remedied this because they locked the stock by forcing the hinge closed and protected the surfaces from wearing out further.
4.) _Upgradability._ The XCR is an excellent $2000 gun, but it has no means of becoming greater than that. Despite delivering in ways the ACR and SCAR couldn't, its lack of aftermarket support severely hinders any way of making this excellent weapon become greater. No triggers, few stock options, and no means of shaving the weight. It just felt like a dead end when I really tried to make it outcompete ARs.
I wish you the best in your next purchase and hope you don't find yourself in a similar love/hate relationship with your rifle of choice. If you do get an XCR-L then you should be just fine for what it's worth. Good luck!
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn Great input. I can't say anything about the XCR suppressed but I can say it was a great rifle and I miss mine. Was the ol' skeleton stock and quad rail setup, very front heavy but ran great
I wonder how many hundreds of shooters have said that, and then lost interest and bought a kitted out AR or something else.
So...it’s 3400 for the entire BREN rifle or just a conversion kit?
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Marky
John1911 Gun Blog ... I got they have 200 total M-96 firearms.... if a order for a Bren comes in, it will be taken and made from the 200 count..
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No Retreat ok. I don’t need a second M96. We just want the conversion kit.
Marky
John1911 Gun Blog conversion kit sells separately for like 1400 bucks.
200 rifles, each for $2500, and... they’re gone...
agbond003 South Park reference?
Filfyfanny,
kinda...
Only for the people that REALLY want one. Not for people like me just, browsing and finding it neat.
Stoner! a legend in the gun world. but the top-mag, off-set sights wannabe Bren... I can only ask... Why?? when you can have the USMC Patrol version.
It’s so you can get lower to the ground while prone
Thanks for kick in the nuts guys...How about you bring the rifle back.
Are they going to make the M96 reliable this time?
why on earth in 2020 is anyone still using keymod?!?!
Had an M96 Expeditionary back in like 2009 that I got for $1k and even though I sold it for double later on, I miss it
“found some parts in the back”
To me that sounds like we stashed them away for a long time and thrown them together sold them for a few grand and now were laughing to the back as they’re falling to bits
“10 em em”
If it's not full auto, then what's the point. Pass.
Well something Brownells could do
That BREN style Stoner 63 looks pretty cool!!
WAS excited until I heard limited run.. Make it a standard item then I will care.
It’s been 2 years…
What the hell is going on?
Nothing, they clearly have no interest in completing the weapons system.
@@frankz9103 yeah, I think you might be right unfortunately…
Anyone here a fan of Primary and Secondary, who is hoping Robinson will bring back the best performing .308 gun of the head to head tests? XCR was it?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS GOING TO COST THAT MUCH?!?! WHAT?
Can't afford right now but still want
For the love of god they should just regularly produce these
I've never had my hopes crushed so quickly in my life. Really bumb'd out. Was hoping this was gunna be a regular thing and I'd be able to get a cuck state version. Sad!
I just saw a Stoner 62/63 sell for $60,000......!!!! come on Robinson Arms, im a Every day family man with a young family, The Stoner 63 is my Wish list gun! you guys need to make them more affordable to guys like me! and you would sell more than anything probably
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Cadillac Gage produced about 3,500 "Stoner 63's"of all configurations, Robinson Armament produced about 3,500 "M96" rifles of all Configurations.
Of all Stoner 63 produced of all configurations, very few "only a handful" were of magazine top fed configuration, of all M96 Rifles of all configurations, only 100 in two batches of 50 were of magazine top fed configuration.
It's good to hear this cleared up but the guy even said that is how much they normally go for these Robinson guys have really disappointed me
That is such utter BULLSHIT. The M96 isn't HALF as good as a Stoner 63. Unless you like a gun that WILL break it's bolt at some random time in the future. Unless you like a gun whose fire selector can't be operated from the shoulder. Unless you like a gun that can't keep the Q.D. barrel in the trunion half the time. Unless you like a gun whose trigger group can't even hold itself together without a bunch of cotter pins....etc. etc. etc. Materials and workmanship aside, the design isn't NEAR what a real Stoner is and internally is NOTHING like a true Stoner 63.
I bought one in 99. Never sent it back for upgrades. Serial # starts with HP. Original in box with manual and lock. Want one to shoot, so I contacted RobArms when this video came out, said they put me on a mailing list. I check in periodically, but never heard a whisper about when this rifle will be made again.
Will any of these firearm manufacturers ever remember those of us in the "middle class" and build some quality offerings in these models, among others, that are affordable? There's no way myself, or many of my friends, will ever be able to chunk down $1000-$2500 on most of these new products being shown. The manufacturers are pricing themselves right out of a huge portion of possible customers...and that doesn't make a whole lot of "business" sense to me. Or, maybe I'm just being delusional...idk.
Only 200... almost hyped about it and then severely disappointed. I am sure since I just found out about it that these are already all spoken for by now.
Oh and why do y'all use a proprietary lower on the XCR anyway? Is it necessary? Don't you think you'd sell more if it worked on a regular-ass AR lower and you sold the upper by itself? Also, don't you think it'd make sense to drop KeyMod like everybody else has? It's over, M-LOK won. Unless you're contract bound you're not winning any sales by sticking to KeyMod.
Was excited... only making a production run of 200? Lame, I'll never even see one. They're just going to get rid of their spare parts and then continue fucking their customers with complete lack of support like they did for the M96. I hope Brownells or KAC makes one for real, a 63 or 63a.
A belt-fed m96 would be awesome, something to compete with the Fightlite
They need to make more than just 200. I have dreamed of having one for the longest time, and now it is only in a limited run? PALMETTO PLEASE DO SOMETHING
Right. So instead of making parts and components for those of us believed your hype and bought one in the 90's you are just putting together parts to sell off the remaining stock of components. Now you will have 200 new customers who hate you because spare parts and service for the M96 will remain unavailable. Every one of those 200 rifles will remain a safe queen for fear of breaking the weapon and not being able to get it fixed. Not impressed.
Interesting rifle but I will pass at this price point. You are making a mistake by pricing based on what you see people pay for existing ones on gunbroker. So I will just go ahead and buy a Galil Ace in 5.56. But I do appreciate the effort to bring these back. Back in the day I would have bought one when I was younger but you stopped making them just about the time I was ready to buy.
" It will be $2,495 for the carbine or rifle, and $3,995 for the top fed. The top fed kit will be $1,495." Crazy ass prices!
Seems perfectly reasonable.
We’re going to scrape together all of the remaining parts that we have left and sell those guns to the public at a vastly overinflated price, and once those are gone that is it!
So in essence as with the previous generation of this rifle, if a part breaks on your shiny new stoner 63 clone you will be the proud owner of a $3000 paperweight.
Lots of luck guys.
As for me,
“pass“.
aw man I had no idea George Michael (Michael Ceras character) started a YT channel and its about guns. Go figure. haha jk
good stuff, that Stoner 63 is so dope, been a while since I felt any real rifle envy but Im feeling it, those are sweet rifles.
Going to break out south across that border one of these days and finally start to live happy, all the fun stuff is on the American side.
Canada sucks when none of the things youre interested in are things that you can do and enjoy.
I’m so sick and tired of these gun companies doing nothing but limited releases and over pricing the fuck out of everything. Makes no sense that the average joe that only has under $1000 to spend on a gun has no other choice then a ar15 or Ak variant. I can almost guarantee that the company that starts making a mass quantity of other weapons like mp5s, AUGs, retro rifles, etc. and sells them at a reasonable price will dominate the market.
So how long until Brownells is making a BRN-63? An extra 200 is just a drop in the bucket as far demand is concerned.
Still don’t understand the fad with pcc’s. I guess they met be fun to shoot, but if you’re going to have something the size of a rifle, why not just use a rifle caliber?? That stoner 63 tho. I wish they’d start making them again
So 3000 bucks for a weapon with no spares. Yeah pass. Ps mile a stoner 63 is more like 100,000
Hopefully if they sell well they'll make more and it will drive the cost down, crossing my fingers but who knows. Though they cost as much as a Scar those rifles are freaking awesome, wish we could more things like that!
And yet what comes to my mind is that cringe worthy open letter RA put out a few years back. I think I’m gonna continue to pass on their products, if they likely ever see my criticisms of the letter or questioning the other issues I’ve seen in their product I’ll go to the back of the line anyways.
I can't believe these guys out of everyone have the damm rights to this gun, and they've just been sitting on it all these years. What a freaking waste man. I hope psa gets around to building one of their own and puts it out for like half that. I'd buy 2 out of spite.
All these companies trying to get $1000 for a 9mm pcc can get wrecked. That's bullshit.
Why even bother making a video on the Stoner if theyre only going to make 200 of them? The 200 theyre gonna put together are probably already sold to those who had the insider before they even made the announcement. All this is gonna do is piss people off.
This is such bs. 2500 bucks and you’re only making 200? Get out of my recommended w this horseshit
I've wanted a Stoner 63 for probably 30 years now. It sucks that I just can't justify $3k to get one.
Why are you even wasting our time announcing this. A 200 limited production run that is already mostly sold out at a ridiculous price, this was a huge waste of my time.
What kind of fucking company announces that, "the thing you want is limited and already gone fuck you we wont make more." I hope them ill will
Key mod looks gross. 🤢
M96 is BACK? I think it may be time to buy my first Rob Arm gun . .
So yeah this video showed the gun but for the rest of us gun nuts we will never see or own one because of how limited the runs are.. They are basically parts kits with a bit of newer parts.
It's 2020. Why are manufactures still using keymod?
I'm glad that gun prohibitionist owner lost business because of keymod.
What about parts and barrels?
They have a very wide variety of calibers and barrel lengths for the XCRs, as for the M96 I doubt it.
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn was referring to the barrels.. hopefully they offer spare varrels for parts as I could use a rifle length
should have made it more retro. the rear sight --just like the cetme, and drilled heatshield, was an iconic trademark of the stoner
あのネイビーシールズでもM249に更新されるまで使われていたストーナー63好き
Would the bren conversion be able to accept D60s Betas or CL mags
That's awesome guys I just got a G3 Stoner boner 😂 can't wait to get my hands on one.