***Stuff that didn't make it into the video*** 1. If you have bass heavy speakers (like Buchardt S400) you may need one of the larger models. It didn't sound bad with the T5i, they just didn't add much to the experience as the S400 already has a very full sound on it's own. 2. Fun Fact: this video was filmed at 2:30am and took 26 takes lol. 3. Ya'll asked for louder volume, this is about as loud as I can get before it sounds like crap, I am using a $200 mic and I'm not willing to spend more honestly. More money spent on mic means less money to buy speakers & subs with lol.
@@anandr2235 mmmm, that's hard, S400 is really hard to pair subwoofers with, you need to be able to crossover super low, at least in my room I use the S400 mostly with no sub but when I do use a sub it's the Rythmik F12SE set to 25hz.
got the T7x exact in the right way music over the HighLevel, and movies LFE connection. both are in place and with different gain and crossover setup. soooo happy about REL. the rest of the setup: 8012 + Opticon 8 + Opticon 2
What is this too many you speak of? That's like saying "too much HP or torque". Everytime I say something about one of my project cars like "this is my last mod, then I'm done!" even my wife laughs at me. There's no too much when it comes to audio or project cars 😜. I say all this in jest of course, I'm just addicted to "too much" lol
@@SeanSisco ahahaha I know the feeling, about 12 years ago I had a 2002 WRX, it was my daily driver, lightly modded with a small turbo upgrade, 280whp, it was fun. I blinked and a fully built shortblock was sitting in front of me along with a power enterprise turbo kit capable of 650whp ready to be installed. Luckily my senses kicked in before it was all installed and I stopped myself from turning another daily driver into something that wasn't streetable lol.
@@davybloggs1564 Hey Davy, so in America when we say HP it's the same as when you guys say BHP which is horsepower measured at the engines crankshaft and without any drivetrain loses. When we say WHP (wheel horsepower) that's the cars horsepower when measured at the wheels on something like a dynojet which takes into account drivetrain losses (power after it goes through the transmission, differentials, axles, etc...) in the neighborhood of -10-20% depending on the car. Example: my old turbo civic made 420whp or roughly 500bhp.
@@NemoPropaganda hooked up my REL T5 and a T5i up with the Magnepan LRS today. Best positioning was of course directly behind the LRS. Was getting some very weird maybe grounding feedback loops that had me very concerned on the phono stage. Maybe it was subsonic effects. Don't seem to be getting the same effect with the Nakamichi ZX9. Called REL and they said leave the black not attached to the amp which seemed a bit odd but one way to avoid grounding loops is to just not ground right? Bryston 4BSST banana z plugs wrapped the hi level red and yellow to plus and the black to the black. Still not certain I am getting some odd ground effect but stinking phono stage is a grounding bummer maybe even walking around makes it bounce and comes out of the RELs. Anyway can't even see the subs behind the LRS and the sound seems integrated and a plus over no subs. Crossover at noon and volume at 11 AM. Carry on.
I own this sub and can attest to the fact it is sonically quick and textured, and super easy to integrate into a system. Pair with bass bookies that are quick tight and dynamic and you won't be disappointed.
Hey Michael, thank you for sharing, glad you're enjoying yours! I might grab a pair for myself in the future but for now these have to go back to my friend and I'm off to test out the KC62 :)
The REL HT 1003 is better than the ASW608, the T5i is superior. I only recommend the ASW608 second hand around $250. At full price the REL 1003 is a better option.
Honestly it's been kinda tough so I appreciate the encouragement. The reality is these brands all do certain things really well. Like just being a 100% honest here, if I had a large space say 20x24 ft I probably would have kept my SB-3000, not many subs in that size and price play that clean that loud. The T5i pair as much as I love them could not fill a space so large so anyway my biggest hope is that people watching understand these things and that it's not just a "shootout" of which is the best ya know what I mean?
@@NemoPropaganda Wouldn't dual Rythmik L12s work better than these dual RELs in a room your size? I mean i tried to fk the specs homeboy, but, i couldn't.
@@NemoPropaganda I hear ya. Audio is a lesson in compromise. Great tweak suggestions at the end, btw. I have one more suggestion - add a minidsp 2x4 and run the T5i as midbass demons and your SVS or Rythmik as sub-bass monsters. I would love to see that Nemo special!
@@duythai5442 I did that, I just didn't use a miniDSP and you don't need to either as long as you can dial in the phase which I was able to. I just didn't mention it because it's kind of off topic but I ran the F12 at 25hz with a 24db slope and handle the super low and yeah it was some end game level of performance honestly.
@@wa2368 Yes and no. So I listen at very low volumes (75db) so the benefit of the L12 wouldn't be seen a whole lot vs the T5i and instead the T5i's benefit of being smaller and more nimble would reign supreme. But if I used that room for theater duty (or just louder music) for example at reference levels absolutely the pair of L12 would have a serious advantage over the smaller T5i by direct comparison. At some point size matters plain and simple.
Great review and observations. I do want you to know that by pure accident that I discovered that there is a way to run two mono block amps off of one Rel subwoofer. This is how this happened, I had a AudioResearch stereo amp and one Vandersteen speaker that I sent in for service from the dealer that I purchased them from. I was loaned out two SimAudio 400m monoblocks, a pair of Kef Ls50s and a Rel 328, which is a demo unit that they use just for people in my particular situation. I didn’t want to connect the Rel after reading what Rel had said on their website and I didn’t for about a week. My dealer has been a Rel Dealer for over 10 years. I went back to the dealer and told him what Rel said and he stated that it can be done and he understands why Rel said this due to hum and other issues that could arise. My dealer went upstairs and made a cable soldered to an RCA jack and he told me to connect the positive wires red and yellow to the positives ends on both amps and connect the RCA jack with the black wire that they created and attach it to the black Rel wire, which is the ground and use both ground wires together with a wire nut. My dealer said to plug the new created rca jack to the rca input on just one of the amps. I have my amps connected through the XLR outs. My Dealer said that current is only running through the two positive wires to the sub and the black wires (ground) and the rca adapter is now grounded to the chassis and their will be no hum. I tried this and it works beautifully and I have had it running for two weeks. I will be buying the Simaudio 400m and I will be trading in my Audio Research amp when it comes back from Audio Research. The 400ms are fantastic and is trickle down technology from their Evolution series, which quite frankly (the evolution series) is just on another level and competes favorably with darn near every thing on the market.
So what you're saying is - you're going to buy a set? I'm (only just) curious to know if a pair of the 12" REL's would outclass the 8" pair. Also, I like your use of flashing onscreen comments if you missed something. Another fun vid!
Thank's Seoul! I've been meaning to start adding the flash comments but couldn't find an app that made it easy enough, I finally found one though :D. I don't know if I'll buy a pair but I will say at the lower volumes I enjoy my music these have been the best so far. A lot of gear has a "sweet spot" where they sound their best and the T5i sweet spot seems to be right at my preferred listening volume but I didn't want to talk about that in the video as we're really starting to get personal here and splitting hairs lol.
What’s up Nemo, I just ordered the SE8. I noticed that these two are actually pretty comparable, with the active downfiring and passive front. And the emotiva has a 200W class D. How would you say these compare? Thanks
So the T5i doesn't have a passive, it's a sealed 8" only. So we have to remember you can literally buy 2 SE8 for the price of 1 T5i, that's a huge price difference. The SE8 is what I consider one of the best values in subwoofers today and I absolutely love it. With that said at double the price while the T5i can't play as loud but it will extend a bit further, integrate a bit better, and have better SQ overall. But again, double the price so that is to be expected :).
Hey Nemo, Question for you: My listening room is very small (9x9 feet). I have the Kef LS50W speakers. I had a T5i but sold it to upgrade to the T/X series. Would the T7/x be a good move to make as an upgrade or would it be too much for my listening space? I could always turn gain down.
Hey Chai, if you can only fit 1 sub the extra headroom of the 7x will be great but if you're going duals I dont think you need to spend the extra money on the 7x and the the T5x pair would be the wiser choice :)
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you! That’s what a few others have mentioned as well. Unfortunately, the room is packed so I can only fit one. T7/x it is! This has been on my mind for awhile so seeing your answer has given me some relief that it won’t overpower the room.
Man, I really hope you can get some Magnepan speakers in at some point. You are one of the only reviewers that seems to have a nice selection of fast subs available to them. Sub integration with maggies is something missing from TH-cam reviews and might be a nice niche for you to fill.
Maggies and subs is a great combination. I only used it for music. 1.7 Magnepans and a REL T1/ T5 duo. Have since changed to custom JBL 4430 clones, with the subs.
I agree amazing subwoofers for the small size and specs. Use a pair with focal aria 906 speakers in my bedroom system couldn't ask for much more. negatives tho that ppl should know the backlight are extremely bright to the point subs need to be turned off at night "no auto on/off". Also no indication marks for crossover control is a bit odd on a sub of this quality
My man. Well worth the wait. I havent given up on high level yet... Have a few more tricks up my sleeve. Lol I'd add another track for ya for low extension. It's my go to track that makes me grin ear to ear with these. Aphex Twin track 2. 1st 44 from the Collapse EP.
Hey bro, another user commented this, maybe it will help: Great review and observations. I do want you to know that by pure accident that I discovered that there is a way to run two mono block amps off of one Rel subwoofer. This is how this happened, I had a AudioResearch stereo amp and one Vandersteen speaker that I sent in for service from the dealer that I purchased them from. I was loaned out two SimAudio 400m monoblocks, a pair of Kef Ls50s and a Rel 328, which is a demo unit that they use just for people in my particular situation. I didn’t want to connect the Rel after reading what Rel had said on their website and I didn’t for about a week. My dealer has been a Rel Dealer for over 10 years. I went back to the dealer and told him what Rel said and he stated that it can be done and he understands why Rel said this due to hum and other issues that could arise. My dealer went upstairs and made a cable soldered to an RCA jack and he told me to connect the positive wires red and yellow to the positives ends on both amps and connect the RCA jack with the black wire that they created and attach it to the black Rel wire, which is the ground and use both ground wires together with a wire nut. My dealer said to plug the new created rca jack to the rca input on just one of the amps. I have my amps connected through the XLR outs. My Dealer said that current is only running through the two positive wires to the sub and the black wires (ground) and the rca adapter is now grounded to the chassis and their will be no hum. I tried this and it works beautifully and I have had it running for two weeks.
@@NemoPropaganda Damn. I just saw this comment. You know...A guy on RELs fan page mentioned to me doing something similar. He said to: "Get 2 bare RCA plugs, connect the black wire to the outer shell terminal alone. Plug the RCA plugs into an unused RCA input on your preamp. This will give you a connection to signal ground. The case of the amp is not signal ground, it is most often between 10 and 100 ohms above signal ground. This will be the quietest." "no, I am suggesting that you solder the black wire to the inside of the RCA plug (to the outer shell which is the signal ground). If you are unsure then check out TH-cam for how to solder an RCA plug." You think they are talking about the same thing? Sounds very similar except the comment you pasted suggested combining all three wires. So basically...solder some basic whatever guage copper wire to the inside shell of a rca plug and twist the other end to the black wire on rels cable? Lol...I assume this is safe and the only reason REL doesn't bring it up because there would be a lot people out here that would read that or watch one of their videos and say f*ck all this... and just move on to something a little less complex. Once again... I appreciate you man. 👊
hi, i can get 2 x T5i's for the price of a T9i, is the dual set up the way to go ??? What would be the best way to connect these to my Powernode ? The powernode uses a "sub out" where I can set the crossover. Is this the best way to connect ? I think it also sends a high pass filter to the speakers. Is there any benefit to using the high level input on the REL alongside the lfe ?
it's best to experiement with setup options to see which sound you like best, personally I don't use the node sub output nor the node crossover. 1 t9 vs 2 t5 is a really hard comparison. Both options are extremely good. Because they are both so good I will say pick the option that looks the nicest in your room as both will sound excellent.
fyi I believe REL are discontinuing the ti series and will be releasing an new version sometime in April - hence the sale on their website. I'm tempted to buy but also maybe wait...
Hi Tony! As I have only heard the T5i I think it best you reach out to REL to make sure you get the right size as they can better assess your needs and are more familiar with the other sizes than I am. I'm guessing you could either go dual t5i or dual t7i but I'm not really sure I'm sorry.
I’ve had mine for two months. Yamaha integrated with Klipsch RP-600m on stands. I do wonder if they’re on sometimes. Overall my system sounds just amazing. It’s all very 3D and very dynamic punchy firm base. Probably my best Hi-Fi purchase ever made. This replaced a Klipsch subwoofer that is now used in my cinema set-up.
You keep saying you're being completely honest. Sounds like you're hiding something. Definitely suspect. In all seriousness, thanks for selling me on an upgrade. I want bass, I come here.
Aw man I have a friend that have 2 t5i for sale and you made the choice of owning them even more. I think hands down the best of rel subs for dollar is the s510 2 of them and if I could add the 2 25's to them
Dang bro, you killed this review, and these things surprised the hell out of me. The fit and finish, combined with integration and small size make it a no brainer. Killed it!
@@fwabble Then you should get that one :D different subwoofers are like flavors of ice cream, there is no best, only what each person likes for themselves :D. I love SVS also and have a 1000 pro coming soon so I look forward to checking it out.
@@NemoPropaganda I did. And while personal taste as you mention is a factor, also accuracy and how it measures is to be factored in. There's two sides, subjective and objective. You sure you wanna ride this train? I hope you get the Sealed Box (SB) I will be interested to watch
Do your hobby your way bro. Nothing wrong with that. I do my hobby my way. My money, my journey, my happiness. I don’t know what train you’re talking about but if you love your gear you’re winning. Keep winning.
I just added a pair of these to go with my new Kef LS50's. The power amps are Talk Electronics Tornado 4 monoblocs so I needed a pair. I was blown away by the upgrade. Between the 4 boxes, I spent less than £2000 and they have a similar sound to a pair of floor standing speakers costing twice as much. Also, the stereo separation is way better with a pair. Great review. Thanks for sharing.
That's awesome Ziggy, I totally agree, a good pair of bookshelf speakers paired with a pair of T5 can outperform some floor standers costing the same total or a bit more.
@@NemoPropaganda I didn't expect them to outperform the Lowther floor standers that they replaced. I only changed because the wife felt that the Lowthers were too big and imposing. :-)
@@ZiggySheppardUK My friend it sounds like you have improved your sound system and made your wife happy all at the same time, I call that a big success :).
Room is 15x15 with 20foot ceilings. It is used for music, I want clean sound quality integration with my Martin Logan bookshelves but also like deep bass. Volume dB is not as critical since I don’t listen to music very loud. My current Polk 12 is missing a lot of midbass I think due to the size mismatch. Thanks for the reply.
@@thanhle4121 The room isn't huge but that ceiling is a tall boy!!!!!!!! I think the pair of L12 may suit you better but you might be able to get away with the T5i pair, that's a tough call as I don't have much experience setting up systems in a room with such high ceilings. I'd go L12 to stay on the safe side unless you don't mind ordering the T5i and possibly returning them within the trial period if they're not strong enough for your space.
Very solid and helpful reviews, thank you for sharing your experiences and especially comparisions among tested speakers. I would appreciate your advice - if you would have to choose 1 sub for cca $600 for small room and low to medium loudness, 80% music, 20% movies: T5i or SB1000 pro? Both have high level inputs, both are small and nice (gloss if you want) but SVS has few advantages on paper: significantly larger surface (12 vs. 8 inch), so plays deeper, front firing woofer (better for neighbours?), fully adjustable phase (0-180 °) and probably main advatage - DSP with app. Can all these advantages integrate SB1000 pro even better than T5i? Would T5i still "win" with better bass texture/resolution despite maybe non-optimal phase and without DSP corrections?
If you can only have 1 then SVS SB-1000 pro. I like the REL T5i but most of my love comes from using 2 of them. 1 is still good but 1 SVS SB-1000 is better. If it was 2 vs 2 then I would choose the T5i. But not 1 vs 1. I can't answer for integration as I have not tested the SB1000 Pro yet.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you, I look forward for your SB1000 pro review (in EU it is still difficult to get it and impossible to test it :/). If you are planning to test it in a pair, I would appreciate if you could try it also as a single unit, since I expect DSP would fix some of disadvantages of using only one sub (e.g. lowering standing wave peaks).
@@jurezupan5324 I will always review in a single unless it's not possible for some reason :D. I think the DSP is more to help with the low end extension but we will find out :D
@@NemoPropaganda :) Cool :) I mentioned single unit testing because I know 2 subs are significantly better than one (they level out standing waves) and a lot of reviewers prefer and recommend using 2. I read a lot about acoustics in past year or two and learned also that DSP may help with standing wave issues, of course only for the seating position and only for peaks and much less for cancelations... So subs with DSP may justify the use of single unit... but of course they still cannot compete with the 2-subs setup.
dude exactly!! It seems like a lot of speakers and subs have a sweet spot or "happy place" for a lack of a better phrase. Once I heard the SB3000 playing loud in a larger space I knew I wasn't doing it justice in my room. Sure I could crank it louder and get into the happy place but at that point it was way too loud for my taste. Fun fact driving a Ferrari slow all the time will cause tons of carbon deposits to build up on the intake valves and require a costly service. The service department will literally tell you to drive the car harder lol.
@@NemoPropaganda 😂 😂 true dat... I think we get overexcited with the paper specs and go for the big guns without considering where we shall put them. Then we end up driving them at 1/8 of their potential rather than going smaller and getting the most out of them
@@NemoPropaganda i can definitely agree with that when it comes to speakers and amplifiers, i used to run floorstanders and a big amplifier but never really needed all that extra power in my room, it was a waste, now running high quality bookshelves with a quality lower watt amplifier and to my ears everything sounds much better!
I'm new to Sub-woofer shopping for 2 channel audio only , but definitely want to get two subs and Rel is on top of my list. The big question I have is while sub frequencies are generally through of as being non-directional, going from the T-5 to a T7, you go from down firing to a front firing. In two channel listening only, will I sense a noticeable difference between a down firing vs. a front firing - difference in sound stage imaging, etc.?
I demoed the tx5 and 9 the other day. Both v nice subs. I think the 9 had an extra bit of detail. Not night and day differences, althoigh i ok nly spent aboit ten minutes with the 9.
Roger is correct! Anyhow, bass loads a room overall while orientation can play a role, that will depend on the room. Also bass is directional. Many people get this wrong. The correct saying should be "bass is not as directional as higher frequencies" and I will admit in some rooms you can place the sub in a great way in which it may truly be non-directional but most rooms you can tell where the sub is. Especially if the placement is bad.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for your reply. I realize its hard to speculate how something will compare if you don't A/B test it. I'll ask my question differently. I do understand that subs require setup and proper positioning in a room to sound their best and to blend with the two speakers. If one was to (a) first setup a down-firing T5 in the same room so that it sounds its best, and next remove the T5s and setup a set of Front-firing T7 in the same room but positioned and configured to sound its "best" ( which means that they may end up being in different locations) , both are listened to with the same tracks at the same volume.. which will sound better? or will they just sound different? The proper test naturally would be between two subs one down firing, the other front firing, both with the same size cone and same amp power rating but with Rel we don't have that option.. in fact the new Rels have a front firing active and passive radiator in the bottom..
@@HoomanR17 It still depends on the room but it does seem that front firing is more likely to sound better based on the feedback I've seen in the comments. In my room down firing still sounds fantastic though and front firing sounds fantastic too. I wouldn't pick based on firing direction. Instead I would choose based on what my budget is.
Odd, I just picked one up yesterday. And I have many name brands on hand to choose from. Love it. And REL supports their customers well. Finish and note to details on the exterior normally indicates that same detail on the rest of the build. In a large room, three of them work well for simple two channel.
@@NemoPropaganda You are familiar with speaker or monitor arrays? Home Theater will work the same way with both speakers and subs. Line arrays are less audiophile and more decibel phile.
@@NemoPropaganda One on the left, and one on the right and you have the full concert experience. Six subs and you can go as soft or hard as you wish. Line arrays can go up to 10k watts for a hall-think Rush in concert for example.
Just some thoughts on some topics you mentioned. I am by no means an expert, but I have some speaker building textbook knowledge^^ - on Watts: I think the amount of Wattage is extremely mislead by marketing strategy. Also, because there is no consistent way how amplifiers are measured. But for bass especially, the most important factor is the amplifiers ability to deliver and control large amounts of current. You see some highly rated digital amplifiers that fall apart when bass extends below 40 Hz. Rel appears to design pretty powerful amplifiers. - on bass extension: I guess since the T5i is a sealed design, it's roll - off below the -3dB point is pretty smooth. Taking into account room gain you, sub 30Hz frequencies from a pair of these is very much possible. Anyways, nice video as always!
oh yeah, there are tons of factors, even the sensitivity of the driver and the cabinet it's matched to as well as the T/S parameters, etc... Shove a sensitive subwoofer driver into a tiny box, not so sensitive anymore lol. That's why I try to not get into specs too much but on this one I felt like I had to address the elephant in the room ya know.
Room size questions it's best to ask REL, for a room that size It depends how loud you listen too. For sure T5i is great for small room music but your room is more medium size so I'm not sure if T5i is enough or T7i but REL will know because they answer that kind of question often :)
Like the reviews but when you mention being honest so frequently all it does is make people think you either aren't always honest or are being dishonest.
Ahahaha yeah it’s a bad speech pattern I have, me and my friends say it a lot. I felt the same way when I watched it so I know what you mean and I appreciate the feed back.
Monoblock users must use 2 REL subwoofers if connecting via high level. Twist red/yellow together and connect to positive speaker post (on back of amplifier or speaker) black wire goes to negative speaker terminal (on back of amplifier or speaker). You do this for each left and right subwoofer respectively. If using a different brand of monoblock call REL as they're not all the same, but this is the way to do it with Kinki and I confirmed with both REL and Kinki as the global Kinki distributor also uses REL subwoofer for his personal system.
Am I correct here, please? Run my speakers full range from my integrated amp when listening in stereo by turning off the LFE (front speakers now set to Large in menu) and using the hi-inputs on the subs from the speaker outs of the integrated amp. That way, the subs will only receive a hi-level signal. When using the AVR for movies, the L&R preouts are going from my AVR to my integrated which is switched to Bypass. That way, the LFE is still going to the sub from the AVR. Does this mean that the main speakers will always be set to Large for music and movies? My speakers are set to 80HZ when watching movies. Won't everything below the 80Hz crossover be sent to the sub from the AVR and also to the integrated? In other words, the sub will receive an 80Hz signal in its LFE input and its Hi-input unless I keep the L&R fronts set to Large all the time. Thanks.
This is really a better question for the dealer or REL directly. I am not really into the HT side of things as my primary experience is in 2ch music systems.
the SVS SB1000 Pro has high level inputs if you need them. If you have line outputs that is the preferred method of connection and will give you a better sound for most subwoofers. REL is the only brand I know of that uses a specially designed high level circuit. Aside from REL you should be using RCA or XLR.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks I am aware of those things but also have several systems of which one of them requires a sub that accepts speaker level inputs.
Awesome bro I appreciate your review im going with B&W 603 and REL T9I so now I'm hype too see how they going to sound but I'm only going with one sub. My media room is just a tad bit bigger then your room so hopefully the T9I can push out more since it's has two 10in drivers
I ended up picking up the Ht/1003. More than enough for family movie volumes, and the small drivers seems to make it blend into music really well. It's very smooth, very happy with the Rel :)
As usual, a great video. Candid and detailed enough. Thank you sir! Have you ever tested the t7i by any chance. Very curious to know what’s the room size cut-off between those two sub sizes...
I have not but I'm sure REL could answer that question. If I had to guess I'd say anything bigger than my room should use a pair of T7i to be safe. Always better to have a little more than not enough but you also don't want to go too far as you'll just be wasting money. Like the Carbon special would look so amazing in my room but I wouldn't come close to using it's potential :(
Hi mate :) big fan of your review style and advise. I was wondering how you would compare the t5i too the Bowers and wilkins asw608? They both have simular power and 8 inch drivers. Just curious as I know you like both. Thanks. Steve
As good as the ASW608 is it's hard to recommend in todays market. The REL HT1003 is a better value for anyone needing a smaller sub, while it's not as small it has tremendously more power. Now regarding the T5i and 608 they most likely have similar maximum output, both have great textures and bass detail but the 608 looks like a cheap little box compared to the refined fit and finish of the t5i. In short I still recommend the 608 on the used market where it can be found for around $200-$265 but at full MSRP of $500 the value proposition is simply not there.
Hello Mr Nemo, I bought recently t5i subwoofer , after one hour listening subwoofer back panel become so heat is it usual or unusual please let me know
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the valuable response, after one hour it become too heat on back panel and heat shrinks, my room is without air condition and am from India if it is normal, then no need to worry right?
Having auditioned these for myself (and not even being a basshead) i think a single Rel T7 or T5 is just not gonna cut it even for music unless you have tiny room. These small boxes show significant overdrive artefacts (the woofer makes a clicking noise) when you push them to 20 to 30hz ranges. They dont come cheap either where i am, with a relt5 roughly similar in cost to a rythmik f12 or svs sb2000pro. Hard to make the case for a rel there
My audition was done at the showroom of my local REL dealer. I was playing frequency sweeps. Anything under 40hz had the woofer clicking. Not sure what their settings were
Might be something wrong with that unit. My T5i plays 32hrz at 100 decibel without clipping or distortion. It sounds very clean. Everything rattles in my apartment , doors , central heating pipes , cabinets , the couch vibrates but the subwoofers do not make any unwanted noises.
My room is 9X15X8.5 ft. About the same as yours. I have Totem Hawk, KEF LS50, Dynaudio Evoke 10. Driven by Perreaux R200i. Please give me your opinion. With limited budget. Which is a better option. 1) 1 T5X 2) 1 T7X 3) 2 T5X. Thank u
Hi Law, is it an option to start with 1 T7X and add a second one in a years time? That's what I suggest :). P.S. that looks to be a nice beefy amplifier :)
Just to let you know, I stumbled across you video AFTER buying a pair of T/5i subs (started with only one but quickly got the second - best audio decision I made) to fill out the bottom end of my ELAC UniFi 2.0’s. Used REL’s corner placement suggestion but could never quite integrate the sound properly. Then I sold the UniFi 2.0 and replaced them with ELAC UniFi Reference and moved the subs out of the corners and positioned about a foot behind the UniFi Reference. Redialed them in and WOW! What a difference. Suddenly the bass was there, but not as overpowering as it had been with REL’s corner placement. And the integration with the Reference was now spot on. My room is on the smaller side, so the T/5i’s were perfect. Your review hit everything I’ve been hearing. So while I didn’t necessarily learn anything new, you reaffirmed my decision to purchase the pair and I couldn’t be happier. Great review!
Hey John, happy to see people still enjoying this video. Yeah corner placement will get you the most SPL and deep bass so it's a great place to start but some rooms have stronger bass like yours (and mine) so for us as much as 1/3 into the room along the front wall will give us a smoother response and better integration while still having great SPL & extension :D. Basically your intuition was spot on!
How big is your room? I also own elac ubr 62 and would like to fill the sound a bit more and give my system a bit more extension. I don't need much as i don't usually listen to heavy bass music and i live in an apartment and don't want to upset the neighbours. Also i only listen to low to moderate levels. I'd say my room is around 16x16 feet. Do you think i could get away with only 1 t5i maybe placed into a corner?
What amp do you use guys? I have same speakers ubr62 with audiolab 7000a its sound clean and clinical, lack a bit of bass. I’m thinking about dual t5x 😊
I love my dual Rel HT 1508 you’re right I hear more details in music and in my home theater that I never heard before, rel subwoofer makes my entire system sounds better.
great video as always, soudns perfect man, dont buy more expensive mic. you transmit a lot of trust to the viewer. non-professional reviewers it's where it's at now. no bs. thanks again.
can you maybe, some day, maybe. in the future, after the kef subwoofers, could you maybe make a video explaining your view, and your findings about one subwoofer versus 2 of them? like comparing a big one 12", versus double 8" or 10". Just really about the sound differences, if it's worth it or not. advantages of double subwoofers giving less problems. pro's and cons really since you know so much about the topic, after your actual experience about it. Many of us wonder about this, already have a good 1 sub, would be good to hear from an expert if it would be worth it two of them or not. thanks again.
@@exodusvelo So that's a little bit difficult because I don't believe in iron clad rules for a hobby. It would really come down to which 2 vs which 1 subwoofer it was. Like if it was 2 Polk PSW10 vs 1 Emotiva SE8 I would rather have the 1 Emotiva SE8 but if it was between two SVS SB-2000 vs 1 SVS SB-4000 I would rather have the dual SVS SB-2000. So it just depends on items involved ya know :)
@@NemoPropaganda Well, you can say that, because you know it, because you have tested it, because you have those subs or whatever, but we don't know it. I don't know if it's worth it, or if it's bullshit, or... but I understand that dual sub bring easier setup, less cancellation problems... smaller box. but I might be wrong, since I just know what I read. I guess in an ideal world 2x would be "best". But what do I know? nothing.
another nice one brother. Man I was starting to love the 1205 but always kind of wondered if I should have spent a little more and got a pair of these, Mainly for the imaging, maybe better sound quality? etc. my return window is very small now so I think I have a big decisions to make. Id say please advise but I think you just did.
How big is your room my bro and how loud do you like it? The 1205 will give you more extension (even 1 1205 vs 2 t5i) so that's something to consider. The T5i pair overall have better SQ for sure but you're giving up headroom and some low end extension vs the single 1205. For me the trade off is wroth it, but if I had a larger room I'd stick with the 1205 or even a pair of 1003 instead. The good news is REL seems to hold it's value on the used market so while you might take a small loss if you decide to sell later you can recover a good amount :).
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for throwing the 1003's in there to make it a little more crazy for me lol. yeah its a hard one. When I started this stereo project a few months ago I said sq was most important. But im learning a lot to say the least. I received polk Reserve R200's this weekend and I think people are going to love them. but maybe too refined for me. and they were too much for the 1205 in my opinion. the 1205 pairs so well with my Kef q350's.
@@HeavyBeats24 don't underestimate the importance of personal taste my friend. For me the KEF Q line is not something I like, but so many people love it, technically it's a great speaker especially on sale. It can be harder to pair a sub with more bass heavy speakers, don't be scared to turn the freq all the way down to 40hz and make sure phase is still correct.
mmmm I will talk about it more in the review of the Aria but for now all I can say is the difference in price is justified however I have not tested the Aria on cheaper gear yet. I know the Chora sounds good on cheaper and expensive gear, I'm curious to see if the gap between the two speakers gets smaller on cheaper gear or not so more will be revealed :)
T5i all the way. The 608 is great but the 5i just offers more refinement in both sound and build quality. I still like the 608 but when you compare them side by side the 608 looks like a cheap little box next to the highly refined t5i.
@@bennyandreberge491 just remember this is a small sub, ideal for small rooms and smaller speakers. If your speakers have powerful bass already or your room is larger a bigger sub will be needed :)
@@NemoPropaganda i know, my problem i can get to much bass or boomy bass, so i want small good speakers and a good subwoofer. can only afford one sub now but 2 is the plan.
@@NemoPropaganda nah, man. You can never try too many subs! Thanks for the tips for the two songs that are referenced in the video. Both are great for closing your eyes, chilling, turning the brain off and just listening.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks again. I like that one too. Three new songs added to my rotation today! If you are ever wanting to close your eyes, but in a retro funk mood, try “”T” Plays It Cool” by Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye is not usually my type of music, but I like this one.
@@NemoPropaganda speaking of the price...i did have a question about the focal 906. They are 1999 but it seems like they were 1500 a yr ago and even went on sale for a 1000 for a little while. Most positive reviews were based on the 1000-1500 price. Sorry. I suppose these questions should be left till the actual review. Always look fwd to ur videos man.
@@backrack01 They only went on sale 1 time for $1000 and I don't remember the details but it's never happened again. They are a lot cheaper in EU which is frustrating but that's most likely due to our tariffs, taxes, freight costs, dealer markup, etc... I'm judging it as a $2000 speaker since that's the current price and I'm still very impressed :). It's not uncommon for prices to increase, Buchardt S400 was around $1500 at presale, then $1800 after that, and now $2000.
yes wattage on it's own is not a very helpful spec and it's also meaningless even with the sensitivity because a subwoofer is a system, the cabinet is a factor also.
Seeing those Aria's really makes me wonder how the Sub 1000F is from Focal. I understand that it is probably overpriced and I also completely understand the subwoofer communities push for ID subs, but they also only ever seem to care about specs. Specs are undeniably important, but when I go on forums thats all they care about. I wonder if the Sub 1000F sounds incredible for music.
@@NemoPropaganda my understanding from seeing it all the time is that ID Is “internet direct” , so subs like Rhythmik, PSA, And the likes. Now I completely get that bang for buck wise, that is the way to go, but half the time nobody is even talking about how it sounds. Just how low it can go and how many watts (all important but I want to hear about how it sounds too I guess) I feel the subs like the KEF KF92 or maybe the Sub 1000 F could be musical in a way that those specs and measurements do not consider.
@@mattolsziewski7164 Ah yes, well maybe they can be more musical but keep in mind "musical" is a very personal description. If you're looking for lots of bass detail REL and Rythik are pretty good at that but if you're looking to fill a large room SVS is still has good detail and plays way louder, that's why people like them so much.
Hellloooooo :D oh goodness, I'm so jealous! I went to the store to buy some and they were actually sold out! I think our video is boosting spam sales lol. I recently ordered a masubi maker off amazon, it was like $8 oh man, it requires a serious level of self control to not make spam masubis every day lol.
Hey Nemo! Should I get T5x or T7X for a room 350sq feet paired with Dynaudio Special 40 and Lyngdorf TDaI 1120 with RoomPerfect? Im not looking for boomy bass, just speed and extended soundstage
Either one will give you the sound quality you want but I would go for the 7X for it's increased headroom. I love the 5x but really feel it's best in pairs.
***Stuff that didn't make it into the video***
1. If you have bass heavy speakers (like Buchardt S400) you may need one of the larger models. It didn't sound bad with the T5i, they just didn't add much to the experience as the S400 already has a very full sound on it's own.
2. Fun Fact: this video was filmed at 2:30am and took 26 takes lol.
3. Ya'll asked for louder volume, this is about as loud as I can get before it sounds like crap, I am using a $200 mic and I'm not willing to spend more honestly. More money spent on mic means less money to buy speakers & subs with lol.
Goddamn dude! get some sleep lol
@@jctai100 I ride for the squad lol
Which would you advice for the S400's? The REL Ti or SVS Sb-2000's? I listen to music and movies via the speakers.
@@anandr2235 mmmm, that's hard, S400 is really hard to pair subwoofers with, you need to be able to crossover super low, at least in my room I use the S400 mostly with no sub but when I do use a sub it's the Rythmik F12SE set to 25hz.
@@NemoPropaganda Maybe the KC62 of B&W PV1D? Curious on your next video on the channel. Love it!
got the T7x exact in the right way music over the HighLevel, and movies LFE connection. both are in place and with different gain and crossover setup. soooo happy about REL. the rest of the setup: 8012 + Opticon 8 + Opticon 2
So everything's coming off the 8012. Is that the marantz 8012. Any power amps?
You've pretty much created the best subwoofer series on the YT platform! I love it Bro!
Thank you bro, it's been fun so far, I'm really looking forward to trying the SVS Micro, their stuff always delivers :D
Great review as always, appreciate the run on subs lately.
Thank's Sean, there is more coming :D Like a lot more, almost too many more lol
What is this too many you speak of? That's like saying "too much HP or torque". Everytime I say something about one of my project cars like "this is my last mod, then I'm done!" even my wife laughs at me. There's no too much when it comes to audio or project cars 😜. I say all this in jest of course, I'm just addicted to "too much" lol
@@SeanSisco ahahaha I know the feeling, about 12 years ago I had a 2002 WRX, it was my daily driver, lightly modded with a small turbo upgrade, 280whp, it was fun. I blinked and a fully built shortblock was sitting in front of me along with a power enterprise turbo kit capable of 650whp ready to be installed. Luckily my senses kicked in before it was all installed and I stopped myself from turning another daily driver into something that wasn't streetable lol.
@@NemoPropaganda WTF is whp?? I've heard of, obviously, HP, or BHP, but I've never seen horsepower referred to a whp. Can you explain pls?
@@davybloggs1564 Hey Davy, so in America when we say HP it's the same as when you guys say BHP which is horsepower measured at the engines crankshaft and without any drivetrain loses. When we say WHP (wheel horsepower) that's the cars horsepower when measured at the wheels on something like a dynojet which takes into account drivetrain losses (power after it goes through the transmission, differentials, axles, etc...) in the neighborhood of -10-20% depending on the car. Example: my old turbo civic made 420whp or roughly 500bhp.
I got mine 6 weeks ago on sale. Probably since the T/5x are coming out now. Now, I need to save up for the pair.
Just love the comparison part of all your videos... 👍
Thank's Elton! It's the hardest part so I'm glad it's appreciated :)
Great review, Nemo...as always. Ironically, I recently placed an order for a REL s/510. Really hard to blend a sub with Magnepans, do fingers crossed!
I'm sure that'll blend just fine, if not I think nothing will. I've seen them paired like that in showrooms so It's gotta be good.
I have one. Very soon I'll have 2. Yay!!
hell yeah!
@@NemoPropaganda hooked up my REL T5 and a T5i up with the Magnepan LRS today. Best positioning was of course directly behind the LRS. Was getting some very weird maybe grounding feedback loops that had me very concerned on the phono stage. Maybe it was subsonic effects. Don't seem to be getting the same effect with the Nakamichi ZX9. Called REL and they said leave the black not attached to the amp which seemed a bit odd but one way to avoid grounding loops is to just not ground right? Bryston 4BSST banana z plugs wrapped the hi level red and yellow to plus and the black to the black. Still not certain I am getting some odd ground effect but stinking phono stage is a grounding bummer maybe even walking around makes it bounce and comes out of the RELs. Anyway can't even see the subs behind the LRS and the sound seems integrated and a plus over no subs. Crossover at noon and volume at 11 AM. Carry on.
jazz bassist Nathan Navarro - THEY CAME FROM THE SKY ...scary bass lines
Nice as always great job
Thank you bro!
I own this sub and can attest to the fact it is sonically quick and textured, and super easy to integrate into a system. Pair with bass bookies that are quick tight and dynamic and you won't be disappointed.
Hey Michael, thank you for sharing, glad you're enjoying yours! I might grab a pair for myself in the future but for now these have to go back to my friend and I'm off to test out the KC62 :)
Hi Nemo, now that you have listened to the REL T5i/x how does it compare to the B&W ASW608 for music?
The REL HT 1003 is better than the ASW608, the T5i is superior. I only recommend the ASW608 second hand around $250. At full price the REL 1003 is a better option.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for your quick reply I appreciate it!
Excellent review. Only your channel has been able to review and discuss these competitors. Keep up the great work!
Honestly it's been kinda tough so I appreciate the encouragement. The reality is these brands all do certain things really well. Like just being a 100% honest here, if I had a large space say 20x24 ft I probably would have kept my SB-3000, not many subs in that size and price play that clean that loud. The T5i pair as much as I love them could not fill a space so large so anyway my biggest hope is that people watching understand these things and that it's not just a "shootout" of which is the best ya know what I mean?
@@NemoPropaganda Wouldn't dual Rythmik L12s work better than these dual RELs in a room your size? I mean i tried to fk the specs homeboy, but, i couldn't.
@@NemoPropaganda I hear ya. Audio is a lesson in compromise.
Great tweak suggestions at the end, btw. I have one more suggestion - add a minidsp 2x4 and run the T5i as midbass demons and your SVS or Rythmik as sub-bass monsters. I would love to see that Nemo special!
@@duythai5442 I did that, I just didn't use a miniDSP and you don't need to either as long as you can dial in the phase which I was able to. I just didn't mention it because it's kind of off topic but I ran the F12 at 25hz with a 24db slope and handle the super low and yeah it was some end game level of performance honestly.
@@wa2368 Yes and no. So I listen at very low volumes (75db) so the benefit of the L12 wouldn't be seen a whole lot vs the T5i and instead the T5i's benefit of being smaller and more nimble would reign supreme. But if I used that room for theater duty (or just louder music) for example at reference levels absolutely the pair of L12 would have a serious advantage over the smaller T5i by direct comparison. At some point size matters plain and simple.
Great review and observations. I do want you to know that by pure accident that I discovered that there is a way to run two mono block amps off of one Rel subwoofer. This is how this happened, I had a AudioResearch stereo amp and one Vandersteen speaker that I sent in for service from the dealer that I purchased them from. I was loaned out two SimAudio 400m monoblocks, a pair of Kef Ls50s and a Rel 328, which is a demo unit that they use just for people in my particular situation. I didn’t want to connect the Rel after reading what Rel had said on their website and I didn’t for about a week. My dealer has been a Rel Dealer for over 10 years.
I went back to the dealer and told him what Rel said and he stated that it can be done and he understands why Rel said this due to hum and other issues that could arise. My dealer went upstairs and made a cable soldered to an RCA jack and he told me to connect the positive wires red and yellow to the positives ends on both amps and connect the RCA jack with the black wire that they created and attach it to the black Rel wire, which is the ground and use both ground wires together with a wire nut. My dealer said to plug the new created rca jack to the rca input on just one of the amps. I have my amps connected through the XLR outs.
My Dealer said that current is only running through the two positive wires to the sub and the black wires (ground) and the rca adapter is now grounded to the chassis and their will be no hum. I tried this and it works beautifully and I have had it running for two weeks. I will be buying the Simaudio 400m and I will be trading in my Audio Research amp when it comes back from Audio Research. The 400ms are fantastic and is trickle down technology from their Evolution series, which quite frankly (the evolution series) is just on another level and competes favorably with darn near every thing on the market.
Thank you for sharing this, I just sent this to a fellow user who may find this information helpful :)
So what you're saying is - you're going to buy a set? I'm (only just) curious to know if a pair of the 12" REL's would outclass the 8" pair. Also, I like your use of flashing onscreen comments if you missed something. Another fun vid!
Thank's Seoul! I've been meaning to start adding the flash comments but couldn't find an app that made it easy enough, I finally found one though :D. I don't know if I'll buy a pair but I will say at the lower volumes I enjoy my music these have been the best so far. A lot of gear has a "sweet spot" where they sound their best and the T5i sweet spot seems to be right at my preferred listening volume but I didn't want to talk about that in the video as we're really starting to get personal here and splitting hairs lol.
What’s up Nemo, I just ordered the SE8. I noticed that these two are actually pretty comparable, with the active downfiring and passive front. And the emotiva has a 200W class D. How would you say these compare? Thanks
So the T5i doesn't have a passive, it's a sealed 8" only. So we have to remember you can literally buy 2 SE8 for the price of 1 T5i, that's a huge price difference. The SE8 is what I consider one of the best values in subwoofers today and I absolutely love it. With that said at double the price while the T5i can't play as loud but it will extend a bit further, integrate a bit better, and have better SQ overall. But again, double the price so that is to be expected :).
Hey Nemo,
Question for you: My listening room is very small (9x9 feet). I have the Kef LS50W speakers.
I had a T5i but sold it to upgrade to the T/X series. Would the T7/x be a good move to make as an upgrade or would it be too much for my listening space? I could always turn gain down.
Hey Chai, if you can only fit 1 sub the extra headroom of the 7x will be great but if you're going duals I dont think you need to spend the extra money on the 7x and the the T5x pair would be the wiser choice :)
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you! That’s what a few others have mentioned as well. Unfortunately, the room is packed so I can only fit one. T7/x it is! This has been on my mind for awhile so seeing your answer has given me some relief that it won’t overpower the room.
When a speaker reviewer is sitting on a REL subwoofer while reviewing another REL subwoofer.
Wooferception 😎
Man, I really hope you can get some Magnepan speakers in at some point. You are one of the only reviewers that seems to have a nice selection of fast subs available to them. Sub integration with maggies is something missing from TH-cam reviews and might be a nice niche for you to fill.
Mmmmmm, I will reach out to them and see if they can send me a review sample :D
This is a good idea!
@@NemoPropaganda yay
Maggies and subs is a great combination. I only used it for music.
1.7 Magnepans and a REL T1/ T5 duo. Have since changed to custom JBL 4430 clones, with the subs.
Try this song with the T5i’s (Webbie - Thuggin)
That song has some strong bass 😎
I agree amazing subwoofers for the small size and specs. Use a pair with focal aria 906 speakers in my bedroom system couldn't ask for much more. negatives tho that ppl should know the backlight are extremely bright to the point subs need to be turned off at night "no auto on/off". Also no indication marks for crossover control is a bit odd on a sub of this quality
Ah yes, the light is extremely bright, I imagined most people may just put a piece of black tape over it :).
Nice review. What speaker stands are you using for Focal speakers? Many thanks
those are old Revel stands, the top plate is too large for them, it just looks good from far away.
My man. Well worth the wait. I havent given up on high level yet... Have a few more tricks up my sleeve. Lol
I'd add another track for ya for low extension. It's my go to track that makes me grin ear to ear with these. Aphex Twin track 2. 1st 44 from the Collapse EP.
thanks bro, I'll check it out.
Hey bro, another user commented this, maybe it will help:
Great review and observations. I do want you to know that by pure accident that I discovered that there is a way to run two mono block amps off of one Rel subwoofer. This is how this happened, I had a AudioResearch stereo amp and one Vandersteen speaker that I sent in for service from the dealer that I purchased them from. I was loaned out two SimAudio 400m monoblocks, a pair of Kef Ls50s and a Rel 328, which is a demo unit that they use just for people in my particular situation. I didn’t want to connect the Rel after reading what Rel had said on their website and I didn’t for about a week. My dealer has been a Rel Dealer for over 10 years.
I went back to the dealer and told him what Rel said and he stated that it can be done and he understands why Rel said this due to hum and other issues that could arise. My dealer went upstairs and made a cable soldered to an RCA jack and he told me to connect the positive wires red and yellow to the positives ends on both amps and connect the RCA jack with the black wire that they created and attach it to the black Rel wire, which is the ground and use both ground wires together with a wire nut. My dealer said to plug the new created rca jack to the rca input on just one of the amps. I have my amps connected through the XLR outs.
My Dealer said that current is only running through the two positive wires to the sub and the black wires (ground) and the rca adapter is now grounded to the chassis and their will be no hum. I tried this and it works beautifully and I have had it running for two weeks.
@@NemoPropaganda Damn. I just saw this comment. You know...A guy on RELs fan page mentioned to me doing something similar. He said to:
"Get 2 bare RCA plugs, connect the black wire to the outer shell terminal alone. Plug the RCA plugs into an unused RCA input on your preamp. This will give you a connection to signal ground. The case of the amp is not signal ground, it is most often between 10 and 100 ohms above signal ground. This will be the quietest."
"no, I am suggesting that you solder the black wire to the inside of the RCA plug (to the outer shell which is the signal ground). If you are unsure then check out TH-cam for how to solder an RCA plug."
You think they are talking about the same thing? Sounds very similar except the comment you pasted suggested combining all three wires. So basically...solder some basic whatever guage copper wire to the inside shell of a rca plug and twist the other end to the black wire on rels cable? Lol...I assume this is safe and the only reason REL doesn't bring it up because there would be a lot people out here that would read that or watch one of their videos and say f*ck all this... and just move on to something a little less complex.
Once again... I appreciate you man. 👊
@@backrack01 I would talk with REL support before you do anything just to be on the safe side :)
hi, i can get 2 x T5i's for the price of a T9i, is the dual set up the way to go ??? What would be the best way to connect these to my Powernode ? The powernode uses a "sub out" where I can set the crossover. Is this the best way to connect ? I think it also sends a high pass filter to the speakers. Is there any benefit to using the high level input on the REL alongside the lfe ?
it's best to experiement with setup options to see which sound you like best, personally I don't use the node sub output nor the node crossover. 1 t9 vs 2 t5 is a really hard comparison. Both options are extremely good. Because they are both so good I will say pick the option that looks the nicest in your room as both will sound excellent.
fyi I believe REL are discontinuing the ti series and will be releasing an new version sometime in April - hence the sale on their website. I'm tempted to buy but also maybe wait...
Sales certainly are tempting :)
I have a 15x15 room with 8 ft ceiling which REL T-Series would you recommend for me. I would like to do a pair of them.
Hi Tony! As I have only heard the T5i I think it best you reach out to REL to make sure you get the right size as they can better assess your needs and are more familiar with the other sizes than I am. I'm guessing you could either go dual t5i or dual t7i but I'm not really sure I'm sorry.
I’ve had mine for two months. Yamaha integrated with Klipsch RP-600m on stands. I do wonder if they’re on sometimes. Overall my system sounds just amazing. It’s all very 3D and very dynamic punchy firm base. Probably my best Hi-Fi purchase ever made. This replaced a Klipsch subwoofer that is now used in my cinema set-up.
That sounds like a great setup!
You keep saying you're being completely honest. Sounds like you're hiding something. Definitely suspect. In all seriousness, thanks for selling me on an upgrade. I want bass, I come here.
ahahahaha, yeah it's a speech pattern I have, I'm working on it lol
@@NemoPropaganda just bustin' balls
@@thegrimmer all good bro, I didn't think you were serious or anything.
Aw man I have a friend that have 2 t5i for sale and you made the choice of owning them even more. I think hands down the best of rel subs for dollar is the s510 2 of them and if I could add the 2 25's to them
I would happily take the S510... or the Carbon Special, omg, it's so beautiful! :D
I love my 906's.
I love mine too! I ended up buying the pair lol
Dude I just got an email from rel with your tube on it
waaaaa! That's awesome!
Dang bro, you killed this review, and these things surprised the hell out of me. The fit and finish, combined with integration and small size make it a no brainer. Killed it!
Thank you dude I appreciate that! I really hope other brands start using the chassis mounted RCA's, it really is nice to work with!
@@NemoPropaganda I think the SB1000 Pro is a better choice.
@@fwabble Then you should get that one :D different subwoofers are like flavors of ice cream, there is no best, only what each person likes for themselves :D. I love SVS also and have a 1000 pro coming soon so I look forward to checking it out.
@@NemoPropaganda I did. And while personal taste as you mention is a factor, also accuracy and how it measures is to be factored in. There's two sides, subjective and objective. You sure you wanna ride this train?
I hope you get the Sealed Box (SB) I will be interested to watch
Do your hobby your way bro. Nothing wrong with that. I do my hobby my way. My money, my journey, my happiness. I don’t know what train you’re talking about but if you love your gear you’re winning. Keep winning.
Why did you ** the l's in Full Specs? Lol. Great review as always.
ahaha yes exactly lol.
I just added a pair of these to go with my new Kef LS50's. The power amps are Talk Electronics Tornado 4 monoblocs so I needed a pair. I was blown away by the upgrade. Between the 4 boxes, I spent less than £2000 and they have a similar sound to a pair of floor standing speakers costing twice as much. Also, the stereo separation is way better with a pair. Great review. Thanks for sharing.
That's awesome Ziggy, I totally agree, a good pair of bookshelf speakers paired with a pair of T5 can outperform some floor standers costing the same total or a bit more.
@@NemoPropaganda I didn't expect them to outperform the Lowther floor standers that they replaced. I only changed because the wife felt that the Lowthers were too big and imposing. :-)
@@ZiggySheppardUK My friend it sounds like you have improved your sound system and made your wife happy all at the same time, I call that a big success :).
Dual T5i or Dual Rythmic L12? About the same price for pairing with bookshelf speakers?
How big is the room? What do you value most in a subwoofer?
Room is 15x15 with 20foot ceilings. It is used for music, I want clean sound quality integration with my Martin Logan bookshelves but also like deep bass. Volume dB is not as critical since I don’t listen to music very loud. My current Polk 12 is missing a lot of midbass I think due to the size mismatch. Thanks for the reply.
@@thanhle4121 The room isn't huge but that ceiling is a tall boy!!!!!!!! I think the pair of L12 may suit you better but you might be able to get away with the T5i pair, that's a tough call as I don't have much experience setting up systems in a room with such high ceilings. I'd go L12 to stay on the safe side unless you don't mind ordering the T5i and possibly returning them within the trial period if they're not strong enough for your space.
Tough decisions indeed, especially after watching your Rel T5x video today. Made the decisions even harder. Thanks for the input, rock on 🤘
If you found "no complaints" about these and found they went as low as you could ask, just wait until you hear the No. 25.
I've heard a pair in a showroom :D I'll start a gofundme for a 6 stack of No 25 :D
Very solid and helpful reviews, thank you for sharing your experiences and especially comparisions among tested speakers. I would appreciate your advice - if you would have to choose 1 sub for cca $600 for small room and low to medium loudness, 80% music, 20% movies: T5i or SB1000 pro? Both have high level inputs, both are small and nice (gloss if you want) but SVS has few advantages on paper: significantly larger surface (12 vs. 8 inch), so plays deeper, front firing woofer (better for neighbours?), fully adjustable phase (0-180 °) and probably main advatage - DSP with app. Can all these advantages integrate SB1000 pro even better than T5i? Would T5i still "win" with better bass texture/resolution despite maybe non-optimal phase and without DSP corrections?
If you can only have 1 then SVS SB-1000 pro. I like the REL T5i but most of my love comes from using 2 of them. 1 is still good but 1 SVS SB-1000 is better. If it was 2 vs 2 then I would choose the T5i. But not 1 vs 1. I can't answer for integration as I have not tested the SB1000 Pro yet.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you, I look forward for your SB1000 pro review (in EU it is still difficult to get it and impossible to test it :/). If you are planning to test it in a pair, I would appreciate if you could try it also as a single unit, since I expect DSP would fix some of disadvantages of using only one sub (e.g. lowering standing wave peaks).
@@jurezupan5324 I will always review in a single unless it's not possible for some reason :D. I think the DSP is more to help with the low end extension but we will find out :D
@@NemoPropaganda :) Cool :) I mentioned single unit testing because I know 2 subs are significantly better than one (they level out standing waves) and a lot of reviewers prefer and recommend using 2. I read a lot about acoustics in past year or two and learned also that DSP may help with standing wave issues, of course only for the seating position and only for peaks and much less for cancelations... So subs with DSP may justify the use of single unit... but of course they still cannot compete with the 2-subs setup.
The Sb3000 in a small room is like driving a Ferrari in a 50miles limit zone
dude exactly!! It seems like a lot of speakers and subs have a sweet spot or "happy place" for a lack of a better phrase. Once I heard the SB3000 playing loud in a larger space I knew I wasn't doing it justice in my room. Sure I could crank it louder and get into the happy place but at that point it was way too loud for my taste. Fun fact driving a Ferrari slow all the time will cause tons of carbon deposits to build up on the intake valves and require a costly service. The service department will literally tell you to drive the car harder lol.
@@NemoPropaganda 😂 😂 true dat... I think we get overexcited with the paper specs and go for the big guns without considering where we shall put them. Then we end up driving them at 1/8 of their potential rather than going smaller and getting the most out of them
@@eyeshezzy yeah, it's a lesson that took a lot of money for me to learn lol
@@NemoPropaganda i can definitely agree with that when it comes to speakers and amplifiers, i used to run floorstanders and a big amplifier but never really needed all that extra power in my room, it was a waste, now running high quality bookshelves with a quality lower watt amplifier and to my ears everything sounds much better!
@@hclandscapes Nice, I honestly havn't had floor standers in years but it's just an aesthetic thing for me.
I'm new to Sub-woofer shopping for 2 channel audio only , but definitely want to get two subs and Rel is on top of my list. The big question I have is while sub frequencies are generally through of as being non-directional, going from the T-5 to a T7, you go from down firing to a front firing. In two channel listening only, will I sense a noticeable difference between a down firing vs. a front firing - difference in sound stage imaging, etc.?
I demoed the tx5 and 9 the other day. Both v nice subs. I think the 9 had an extra bit of detail. Not night and day differences, althoigh i ok nly spent aboit ten minutes with the 9.
Roger is correct! Anyhow, bass loads a room overall while orientation can play a role, that will depend on the room. Also bass is directional. Many people get this wrong. The correct saying should be "bass is not as directional as higher frequencies" and I will admit in some rooms you can place the sub in a great way in which it may truly be non-directional but most rooms you can tell where the sub is. Especially if the placement is bad.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for your reply. I realize its hard to speculate how something will compare if you don't A/B test it. I'll ask my question differently. I do understand that subs require setup and proper positioning in a room to sound their best and to blend with the two speakers. If one was to (a) first setup a down-firing T5 in the same room so that it sounds its best, and next remove the T5s and setup a set of Front-firing T7 in the same room but positioned and configured to sound its "best" ( which means that they may end up being in different locations) , both are listened to with the same tracks at the same volume.. which will sound better? or will they just sound different? The proper test naturally would be between two subs one down firing, the other front firing, both with the same size cone and same amp power rating but with Rel we don't have that option.. in fact the new Rels have a front firing active and passive radiator in the bottom..
@@HoomanR17 It still depends on the room but it does seem that front firing is more likely to sound better based on the feedback I've seen in the comments. In my room down firing still sounds fantastic though and front firing sounds fantastic too. I wouldn't pick based on firing direction. Instead I would choose based on what my budget is.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks .. your replay is super helpful.
Odd, I just picked one up yesterday. And I have many name brands on hand to choose from. Love it. And REL supports their customers well. Finish and note to details on the exterior normally indicates that same detail on the rest of the build. In a large room, three of them work well for simple two channel.
3? You animal! I love that!
@@NemoPropaganda You are familiar with speaker or monitor arrays? Home Theater will work the same way with both speakers and subs. Line arrays are less audiophile and more decibel phile.
@@FlyGuy457 I'm a little familiar, REL has an option to let you stack some of their subwoofers 3 high to make an array.
@@NemoPropaganda One on the left, and one on the right and you have the full concert experience. Six subs and you can go as soft or hard as you wish. Line arrays can go up to 10k watts for a hall-think Rush in concert for example.
Just some thoughts on some topics you mentioned. I am by no means an expert, but I have some speaker building textbook knowledge^^
- on Watts: I think the amount of Wattage is extremely mislead by marketing strategy. Also, because there is no consistent way how amplifiers are measured. But for bass especially, the most important factor is the amplifiers ability to deliver and control large amounts of current. You see some highly rated digital amplifiers that fall apart when bass extends below 40 Hz. Rel appears to design pretty powerful amplifiers.
- on bass extension: I guess since the T5i is a sealed design, it's roll - off below the -3dB point is pretty smooth. Taking into account room gain you, sub 30Hz frequencies from a pair of these is very much possible.
Anyways, nice video as always!
oh yeah, there are tons of factors, even the sensitivity of the driver and the cabinet it's matched to as well as the T/S parameters, etc... Shove a sensitive subwoofer driver into a tiny box, not so sensitive anymore lol. That's why I try to not get into specs too much but on this one I felt like I had to address the elephant in the room ya know.
Hi nemo, my room
Size is 12fx15f, and my speakers r B&w 685s2, so rel t5i is suitable for music at my space?
Room size questions it's best to ask REL, for a room that size It depends how loud you listen too. For sure T5i is great for small room music but your room is more medium size so I'm not sure if T5i is enough or T7i but REL will know because they answer that kind of question often :)
It's funny that everyone hunts around for specific bass-heavy parts of specific tracks when any old Run the Jewels track will do better.
Yeah that’s crazy, I just use songs I like, sorry if that bothers you man…
@@NemoPropaganda Not at all. Thanks for the great videos.
Like the reviews but when you mention being honest so frequently all it does is make people think you either aren't always honest or are being dishonest.
Ahahaha yeah it’s a bad speech pattern I have, me and my friends say it a lot. I felt the same way when I watched it so I know what you mean and I appreciate the feed back.
Hi Nemo, great review! I have the same monoblocs as yourself so, how did you connect in the subs to the B7s? Regards TDL
Monoblock users must use 2 REL subwoofers if connecting via high level. Twist red/yellow together and connect to positive speaker post (on back of amplifier or speaker) black wire goes to negative speaker terminal (on back of amplifier or speaker). You do this for each left and right subwoofer respectively. If using a different brand of monoblock call REL as they're not all the same, but this is the way to do it with Kinki and I confirmed with both REL and Kinki as the global Kinki distributor also uses REL subwoofer for his personal system.
Am I correct here, please?
Run my speakers full range from my integrated amp when listening in stereo by turning off the LFE (front speakers now set to Large in menu) and using the hi-inputs on the subs from the speaker outs of the integrated amp. That way, the subs will only receive a hi-level signal.
When using the AVR for movies, the L&R preouts are going from my AVR to my integrated which is switched to Bypass. That way, the LFE is still going to the sub from the AVR.
Does this mean that the main speakers will always be set to Large for music and movies? My speakers are set to 80HZ when watching movies. Won't everything below the 80Hz crossover be sent to the sub from the AVR and also to the integrated? In other words, the sub will receive an 80Hz signal in its LFE input and its Hi-input unless I keep the L&R fronts set to Large all the time.
Thanks.
This is really a better question for the dealer or REL directly. I am not really into the HT side of things as my primary experience is in 2ch music systems.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you, I will contact REL.
Too bad the SVS has no speaker level inputs.
the SVS SB1000 Pro has high level inputs if you need them. If you have line outputs that is the preferred method of connection and will give you a better sound for most subwoofers. REL is the only brand I know of that uses a specially designed high level circuit. Aside from REL you should be using RCA or XLR.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks I am aware of those things but also have several systems of which one of them requires a sub that accepts speaker level inputs.
@@madcrabber1113 check out this video: th-cam.com/video/rQeYdz7vKqQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DMuWM8DSagJIcmdQ
You should review JL Audio subwoofers.Apparently they are better than REL.
I don't think they would send me a review sample and It's too expensive to buy myself. I will keep my out on the used market though just in case :)
What was the song you mentioned? Can't seem to find it,.pls make a test play list
dude i put it on the screen lol, you can find it on youtube or Tidal for sure.
Awesome bro I appreciate your review im going with B&W 603 and REL T9I so now I'm hype too see how they going to sound but I'm only going with one sub. My media room is just a tad bit bigger then your room so hopefully the T9I can push out more since it's has two 10in drivers
It's a good time to buy. The T9i is on sale right now. I have a pair of T7i subs, which are well matched for a medium size room.
The T9i is plenty powerful, i think you're going to love it.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks bro
@@mtkreger thanks for the info bro
@@NemoPropaganda Congratulations on breaking the REL home page bro.
I ended up picking up the Ht/1003. More than enough for family movie volumes, and the small drivers seems to make it blend into music really well. It's very smooth, very happy with the Rel :)
Nice! It's honestly perfect for that! I'm happy it's a winner!
As usual, a great video. Candid and detailed enough. Thank you sir! Have you ever tested the t7i by any chance. Very curious to know what’s the room size cut-off between those two sub sizes...
I have not but I'm sure REL could answer that question. If I had to guess I'd say anything bigger than my room should use a pair of T7i to be safe. Always better to have a little more than not enough but you also don't want to go too far as you'll just be wasting money. Like the Carbon special would look so amazing in my room but I wouldn't come close to using it's potential :(
Hi mate :) big fan of your review style and advise. I was wondering how you would compare the t5i too the Bowers and wilkins asw608? They both have simular power and 8 inch drivers. Just curious as I know you like both. Thanks. Steve
As good as the ASW608 is it's hard to recommend in todays market. The REL HT1003 is a better value for anyone needing a smaller sub, while it's not as small it has tremendously more power. Now regarding the T5i and 608 they most likely have similar maximum output, both have great textures and bass detail but the 608 looks like a cheap little box compared to the refined fit and finish of the t5i. In short I still recommend the 608 on the used market where it can be found for around $200-$265 but at full MSRP of $500 the value proposition is simply not there.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks man
Any source for the Skrux track? Can't find a flac on offer.
I use Tidal
Hello Mr Nemo, I bought recently t5i subwoofer , after one hour listening subwoofer back panel become so heat is it usual or unusual please let me know
It’s normal, it’s a class a/b amplifier and they run hot compared to class D. Nothing to worry about :)
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the valuable response, after one hour it become too heat on back panel and heat shrinks, my room is without air condition and am from India if it is normal, then no need to worry right?
@@anbujava3552 Yeah they run hot, it's a high current design, that's why the heatsink is on the outside :)
Having auditioned these for myself (and not even being a basshead) i think a single Rel T7 or T5 is just not gonna cut it even for music unless you have tiny room. These small boxes show significant overdrive artefacts (the woofer makes a clicking noise) when you push them to 20 to 30hz ranges.
They dont come cheap either where i am, with a relt5 roughly similar in cost to a rythmik f12 or svs sb2000pro. Hard to make the case for a rel there
I didn't hear any driver noise from the T5i pair nor the T5x pair. Just curious how loud do you enjoy your music?
I play the T5i sometimes at 100 decibel with very strong bass boosted music and they don’t distort in any way.
My audition was done at the showroom of my local REL dealer. I was playing frequency sweeps. Anything under 40hz had the woofer clicking. Not sure what their settings were
Might be something wrong with that unit.
My T5i plays 32hrz at 100 decibel without clipping or distortion. It sounds very clean. Everything rattles in my apartment , doors , central heating pipes , cabinets , the couch vibrates but the subwoofers do not make any unwanted noises.
My room is 9X15X8.5 ft. About the same as yours.
I have Totem Hawk, KEF LS50, Dynaudio Evoke 10.
Driven by Perreaux R200i.
Please give me your opinion.
With limited budget. Which is a better option.
1) 1 T5X
2) 1 T7X
3) 2 T5X.
Thank u
Hi Law, is it an option to start with 1 T7X and add a second one in a years time? That's what I suggest :). P.S. that looks to be a nice beefy amplifier :)
@@NemoPropaganda itching to go get one.
Thank you for the fast reply
@@lawchoongseng789 move swiftly brother. The sale ends soon!
@@NemoPropaganda Got myself the T7X.
Great match to the KEF LS50.
Happy man.
@@lawchoongseng789 awesome!!! Do you find the 1 to be enough for the room?
Just to let you know, I stumbled across you video AFTER buying a pair of T/5i subs (started with only one but quickly got the second - best audio decision I made) to fill out the bottom end of my ELAC UniFi 2.0’s. Used REL’s corner placement suggestion but could never quite integrate the sound properly. Then I sold the UniFi 2.0 and replaced them with ELAC UniFi Reference and moved the subs out of the corners and positioned about a foot behind the UniFi Reference. Redialed them in and WOW! What a difference. Suddenly the bass was there, but not as overpowering as it had been with REL’s corner placement. And the integration with the Reference was now spot on. My room is on the smaller side, so the T/5i’s were perfect. Your review hit everything I’ve been hearing. So while I didn’t necessarily learn anything new, you reaffirmed my decision to purchase the pair and I couldn’t be happier. Great review!
Hey John, happy to see people still enjoying this video. Yeah corner placement will get you the most SPL and deep bass so it's a great place to start but some rooms have stronger bass like yours (and mine) so for us as much as 1/3 into the room along the front wall will give us a smoother response and better integration while still having great SPL & extension :D. Basically your intuition was spot on!
How big is your room? I also own elac ubr 62 and would like to fill the sound a bit more and give my system a bit more extension. I don't need much as i don't usually listen to heavy bass music and i live in an apartment and don't want to upset the neighbours. Also i only listen to low to moderate levels. I'd say my room is around 16x16 feet. Do you think i could get away with only 1 t5i maybe placed into a corner?
@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh my room is 12 x 13.5, so yeah, that shouldn’t be a problem. And I too live in an apartment, so I’m conscious of my neighbors too.
What amp do you use guys? I have same speakers ubr62 with audiolab 7000a its sound clean and clinical, lack a bit of bass. I’m thinking about dual t5x 😊
@@marko-182 I use a Jeff Rowland Design Group Continuum S2 integrated amp and I love the combination.
I love my dual Rel HT 1508 you’re right I hear more details in music and in my home theater that I never heard before, rel subwoofer makes my entire system sounds better.
ooo those are monsters, nice!!!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Paul!
great video as always, soudns perfect man, dont buy more expensive mic. you transmit a lot of trust to the viewer. non-professional reviewers it's where it's at now. no bs. thanks again.
can you maybe, some day, maybe. in the future, after the kef subwoofers, could you maybe make a video explaining your view, and your findings about one subwoofer versus 2 of them? like comparing a big one 12", versus double 8" or 10". Just really about the sound differences, if it's worth it or not. advantages of double subwoofers giving less problems. pro's and cons really since you know so much about the topic, after your actual experience about it. Many of us wonder about this, already have a good 1 sub, would be good to hear from an expert if it would be worth it two of them or not. thanks again.
@@exodusvelo So that's a little bit difficult because I don't believe in iron clad rules for a hobby. It would really come down to which 2 vs which 1 subwoofer it was. Like if it was 2 Polk PSW10 vs 1 Emotiva SE8 I would rather have the 1 Emotiva SE8 but if it was between two SVS SB-2000 vs 1 SVS SB-4000 I would rather have the dual SVS SB-2000. So it just depends on items involved ya know :)
@@NemoPropaganda Well, you can say that, because you know it, because you have tested it, because you have those subs or whatever, but we don't know it. I don't know if it's worth it, or if it's bullshit, or... but I understand that dual sub bring easier setup, less cancellation problems... smaller box. but I might be wrong, since I just know what I read. I guess in an ideal world 2x would be "best". But what do I know? nothing.
@@exodusvelo Which 2 vs 1 sub are you considering bro?
another nice one brother. Man I was starting to love the 1205 but always kind of wondered if I should have spent a little more and got a pair of these, Mainly for the imaging, maybe better sound quality? etc. my return window is very small now so I think I have a big decisions to make. Id say please advise but I think you just did.
How big is your room my bro and how loud do you like it? The 1205 will give you more extension (even 1 1205 vs 2 t5i) so that's something to consider. The T5i pair overall have better SQ for sure but you're giving up headroom and some low end extension vs the single 1205. For me the trade off is wroth it, but if I had a larger room I'd stick with the 1205 or even a pair of 1003 instead. The good news is REL seems to hold it's value on the used market so while you might take a small loss if you decide to sell later you can recover a good amount :).
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for throwing the 1003's in there to make it a little more crazy for me lol. yeah its a hard one. When I started this stereo project a few months ago I said sq was most important. But im learning a lot to say the least. I received polk Reserve R200's this weekend and I think people are going to love them. but maybe too refined for me. and they were too much for the 1205 in my opinion. the 1205 pairs so well with my Kef q350's.
Thanks a lot for the info! You have been a tremendous help to me.
@@HeavyBeats24 don't underestimate the importance of personal taste my friend. For me the KEF Q line is not something I like, but so many people love it, technically it's a great speaker especially on sale. It can be harder to pair a sub with more bass heavy speakers, don't be scared to turn the freq all the way down to 40hz and make sure phase is still correct.
@@HeavyBeats24 Thank you for saying that, honestly that's the goal with this whole channel, to help fellow audio lovers obsess less, and enjoy more :D
Do you like the Focal Arias better than the Choras?
mmmm I will talk about it more in the review of the Aria but for now all I can say is the difference in price is justified however I have not tested the Aria on cheaper gear yet. I know the Chora sounds good on cheaper and expensive gear, I'm curious to see if the gap between the two speakers gets smaller on cheaper gear or not so more will be revealed :)
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks, looking forward to the review!
Rel T5i or B&W 608? what would you choose?
T5i all the way. The 608 is great but the 5i just offers more refinement in both sound and build quality. I still like the 608 but when you compare them side by side the 608 looks like a cheap little box next to the highly refined t5i.
@@NemoPropaganda ok thanks :) im about to order one now :D never been happy with sub in non of my systems, so hope this t5i will work
@@bennyandreberge491 just remember this is a small sub, ideal for small rooms and smaller speakers. If your speakers have powerful bass already or your room is larger a bigger sub will be needed :)
@@NemoPropaganda i know, my problem i can get to much bass or boomy bass, so i want small good speakers and a good subwoofer. can only afford one sub now but 2 is the plan.
Great review!
Thank you bro!! Now time for the KC62, SVS Micro & 1000 Pro, and Rythmik FVX12 lol I need to get some speakers in lol too many subs.
@@NemoPropaganda nah, man. You can never try too many subs!
Thanks for the tips for the two songs that are referenced in the video. Both are great for closing your eyes, chilling, turning the brain off and just listening.
@@mattkalis1567 Exactly!!!!!! If you want an even better "close your eyes" song check out Stay Free by Proto.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks again. I like that one too. Three new songs added to my rotation today!
If you are ever wanting to close your eyes, but in a retro funk mood, try “”T” Plays It Cool” by Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye is not usually my type of music, but I like this one.
@@mattkalis1567 Oh nice, I will check it out!!
Did you say you had a focal aries 906 review coming soon?
Yes sir!!
@@NemoPropaganda coo. I was interested in those. Was looking into the kef r3 as well at the same price point.
@@NemoPropaganda speaking of the price...i did have a question about the focal 906. They are 1999 but it seems like they were 1500 a yr ago and even went on sale for a 1000 for a little while. Most positive reviews were based on the 1000-1500 price. Sorry. I suppose these questions should be left till the actual review. Always look fwd to ur videos man.
@@backrack01 They only went on sale 1 time for $1000 and I don't remember the details but it's never happened again. They are a lot cheaper in EU which is frustrating but that's most likely due to our tariffs, taxes, freight costs, dealer markup, etc... I'm judging it as a $2000 speaker since that's the current price and I'm still very impressed :). It's not uncommon for prices to increase, Buchardt S400 was around $1500 at presale, then $1800 after that, and now $2000.
@@backrack01 KEF R3 is good, my friend has them so I've heard them in his very imperfect (square) room and they sound great!
Isnt the Wattage meaningless without the sensitivity? Wouldn't a 90db 125W sub have the same distortion as a 87db 250W sub?
yes wattage on it's own is not a very helpful spec and it's also meaningless even with the sensitivity because a subwoofer is a system, the cabinet is a factor also.
Seeing those Aria's really makes me wonder how the Sub 1000F is from Focal. I understand that it is probably overpriced and I also completely understand the subwoofer communities push for ID subs, but they also only ever seem to care about specs. Specs are undeniably important, but when I go on forums thats all they care about. I wonder if the Sub 1000F sounds incredible for music.
I wonder about Focal subs too, maybe one day when my channel is bigger I will ask them for one to review :). By the way what is an ID sub?
@@NemoPropaganda my understanding from seeing it all the time is that ID Is “internet direct” , so subs like Rhythmik, PSA, And the likes. Now I completely get that bang for buck wise, that is the way to go, but half the time nobody is even talking about how it sounds. Just how low it can go and how many watts (all important but I want to hear about how it sounds too I guess) I feel the subs like the KEF KF92 or maybe the Sub 1000 F could be musical in a way that those specs and measurements do not consider.
@@mattolsziewski7164 Ah yes, well maybe they can be more musical but keep in mind "musical" is a very personal description. If you're looking for lots of bass detail REL and Rythik are pretty good at that but if you're looking to fill a large room SVS is still has good detail and plays way louder, that's why people like them so much.
@@NemoPropaganda oh yea I’ve got an SB-3000 rn and it blows my mind👍🏻
Hey, man. Great review. I thought of you when I had an awesome SPAM sandwich in Houston tonight.
Hellloooooo :D oh goodness, I'm so jealous! I went to the store to buy some and they were actually sold out! I think our video is boosting spam sales lol. I recently ordered a masubi maker off amazon, it was like $8 oh man, it requires a serious level of self control to not make spam masubis every day lol.
Hey Nemo! Should I get T5x or T7X for a room 350sq feet paired with Dynaudio Special 40 and Lyngdorf TDaI 1120 with RoomPerfect? Im not looking for boomy bass, just speed and extended soundstage
Either one will give you the sound quality you want but I would go for the 7X for it's increased headroom. I love the 5x but really feel it's best in pairs.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks! Got a nice deal on open box T7X, hopefully it will work out.
@@RafaelGrigorian it will work out :) join the discord if you want to give us an update later, the link is in the community section :D