I wonder how they managed to get sufficient power with only two 3rd rail shoes. EMUs have shoes on every car. The P32s can only really use 3rd rail mode to get in and out of stations at slow speed and have a HEP generator as well so the 3rd rail doesn't also have to provide HEP.
Probably my favorite paint scheme done on a Charger by far, not overly done with dramatic colors that don’t match, Metro kept it simple and sleek unlike the Amtrak ALC versions. Great video!
This begs the next question, if MNR is starting to get their SC42s, when will LIRR start receiving theirs, if I remember correctly, MNR and LIRR sent a combined order for SC42s to Siemens, and that the 3rd rail shoes on these would work on both the LIRR 3rd rail and the MNR 3rd rail.
The original contract with Siemens is for the base order of MNRR dual modes. There are then nearly a dozen additional options in the contract, which includes CDOT's MNRR pool locomotives, CDOT's SLE and Hartford services, LIRR's base order, Amtrak/ NYSDOT Empire service locomotives base order and additional locomotives, even more additional MNRR locomotives and then even more additional LIRR locomotives. I believe that currently Amtrak/NYSDOT no longer plan to buy any dual mode Chargers, but rather get dual mode battery Airo trainsets. I believe that LIRR's base units are still a couple of years out.
@joshkarpoff3341 Figure a minimum of 5 years before Amtrak Empire sees any new equipment. Not sure if it will be dual modes, those will still be needed for the Lakeshore Limited, Maple Leaf, and Adirondack or train sets.
@@theknickerbocker5808 Amtrak and NYSDOT have decided not to buy any new Dual Mode locomotives with 3rd rail capabilities for the Empire Service, Adirondack, Maple Leaf or Ethan Allen services. They have announced the purchase of Siemens Airo fixed trainsets, some of which will be dual mode between diesel and a large storage battery, so that they can ditch using 3rd rail altogether in the Empire Connection tunnel and at NY Pennsylvania station. These battery dual modes will be in pool service with trainsets used on Northeast Regional, Empire, Keystone, New Haven-Springfield-Greenfield, and Virginia services; the Downeaster, Vermonter, Maple Leaf, Ethan Allen Express and Adirondack; Palmetto, Carolinian, and Pennsylvanian The trainsets are already in production at Siemens factory in California, with initial revenue service scheduled to start sometime in 2026.
Great stuff! What a difference 30 years makes. The ability to fit a 16-cylinder QSK95, alternator, electronics, and inverters, unlike the P32DM which only had room for a 12-cylinder...
Awesome catches, while the P32AC-DM is my favorite Metro North locomotive with the loud roar coming from the GE-7FDL-12 engine, I am starting to like these new SC-42DM chargers. The MTA will definitely save on fuel with these new locomotives. I definitely like that they also have the same Nathan K5LA that the P32AC-DM's have, along with the newer e-bells
2:00 Good Traction Inverter/Traction Motor sounds. Although I think the switching frequency is lower than the previous generation P32s. I think the P32AC uses 540Hz and the SC42 uses a ramp up from a low frequency of approximately 100Hz to 420Hz, with both using complex OPP Harmonic Minimum modulation, I think, following the starting carrier frequency section and eventually reaching motor rated voltage. If there's any graphs depicting the modulation in relation to the train's speed/motor frequency I would love to see it!
I think they're getting ones with a battery car powered by regenerative braking rather than a third-rail. Perhaps because Amtrak-owned third-rail territory is limited to the tunnels of the Empire connection, Penn Station, and the East River tunnels/Sunnyside. I don't get why they wouldn't get this third-rail version, though. Maybe track rights/not being allowed to use MN's 3rd rail system?
@@amtrak_121 Not the best-looking American locomotive, to be sure. Curious of the flaws you mention--I know the diesel ones had teething problems on Amtrak Long Distance routes. Otherwise, I'm out of the loop.
Very nice. These Chargers look sharp and it's great that they're capable of running on 3rd rail all the way to the end of electrified territory. In my opinion, Amtrak should go with these instead of experimenting with battery electric locomotives for their Empire Service.
@@RiverRailPhoto last I checked, a handful of the new Amtrak Airo sets will be diesel/battery electric hybrids to run in and out of Penn Station without the use of 3rd rail power. They'll be dedicated to the Empire Service Corridor. Unless batteries have significantly improved, I don't see them lasting a long time in electric mode considering the battery has to power the locomotive and 6 cars.
Nice, good looking livery too. How did they manage to resolve the issue of limited power on 3rd rail? 3rd rail doesn't feed nearly as much power as catenary which is why the EMUs have 3rd rail shoes on every car and why the P32s switch to diesel as soon as they're able (once clear of the Park Ave tunnel when leaving GCT and once in the Empire connector tunnel for Amtrak leaving Penn). I somehow doubt they're going to run a loco at each end, LIRR only does that to avoid gapping the 3rd rail in Penn. And now it's time to replace those old shoreliner cars.
They are gonna replace the genesis P32ACDM but I couldn’t see why not because Metro North still has options to buy more of these locomotives if MTA gets some more funding
Unlikely as the west of the Hudson is not electrified with third rail and currently only runs to Hoboken. Maybe after gateway, when there will be more capacity, Metro North could run to Penn and then something similar to this could be optioned with catenary for operation to Penn.
No, they will be engine north (west for the traditionalists) only. Double ending the train gives them the opportunity to test 2 locomotives as the same time.
The Shoreliner Is were first delivered in 1983. These have already been through overhaul before and are in need of replacement. The current plan is to place an order for a new series of modern coaches which will in theory start delivering in 2029. CTDOT just placed an order with Alstom for 60 new coaches for their other services, which should start delivering in 2026.
These things will run on 3rd rail mode for far longer than the P32's do
They sure will 👍
Yes all the way to croton Harmon or white plains instead of as soon as they are out of the tunnel. The P32-ACDM SUCKS in electric mode
@@MattyC62185 Hey, at least the MTA will save a lot of money for fuel.
I wonder how they managed to get sufficient power with only two 3rd rail shoes. EMUs have shoes on every car. The P32s can only really use 3rd rail mode to get in and out of stations at slow speed and have a HEP generator as well so the 3rd rail doesn't also have to provide HEP.
@@mrvwbug4423 Curious about this, too.
Dual mode chargers being tested on the Metro North. Things are changing. I don't mind the chargers though.
Love the sound of the motors! a great Improvement over the P32s roar
I'm glad to see they're using the ALC-42 nose configuration, way more visually satisfying that way.
@@hoscalerailfan a lot more customers are opting for that nosecone because they think it looks better
@@MattyC62185Not just that but it’s also easier maintenance
Finally! I won't have to cover my ears when in GCT
Wow didn’t expect to see these things on Metro North this soon! Great Video!
This is so cool. I hope they run an 8 car test train next.
All Bombardier consists are either 3 or 7 cars, not likely to see 8.
@@RiverRailPhoto not anymore my friend
@@Commuter6753I don’t know what that means. You can see 8 car MU sets, but that’s it.
Probably my favorite paint scheme done on a Charger by far, not overly done with dramatic colors that don’t match, Metro kept it simple and sleek unlike the Amtrak ALC versions. Great video!
Great catch!! 👏👏👏 Can’t wait to own one in HO scale!
Those P32s should start looking for a new home. Time is running out. Great catch. Cheers!
That was fast! I think. They look exactly like the renders, too. MTA really did a nice job.
Honestly pretty cool how similar they look to the renders. Not many trains are so similar to their original design
Either I missed the news but I didn’t even realized 2 sets were SC42’s were delivered good to see them already testing‼️
This begs the next question, if MNR is starting to get their SC42s, when will LIRR start receiving theirs, if I remember correctly, MNR and LIRR sent a combined order for SC42s to Siemens, and that the 3rd rail shoes on these would work on both the LIRR 3rd rail and the MNR 3rd rail.
The original contract with Siemens is for the base order of MNRR dual modes. There are then nearly a dozen additional options in the contract, which includes CDOT's MNRR pool locomotives, CDOT's SLE and Hartford services, LIRR's base order, Amtrak/ NYSDOT Empire service locomotives base order and additional locomotives, even more additional MNRR locomotives and then even more additional LIRR locomotives. I believe that currently Amtrak/NYSDOT no longer plan to buy any dual mode Chargers, but rather get dual mode battery Airo trainsets. I believe that LIRR's base units are still a couple of years out.
@joshkarpoff3341 Figure a minimum of 5 years before Amtrak Empire sees any new equipment. Not sure if it will be dual modes, those will still be needed for the Lakeshore Limited, Maple Leaf, and Adirondack or train sets.
@@theknickerbocker5808 Amtrak and NYSDOT have decided not to buy any new Dual Mode locomotives with 3rd rail capabilities for the Empire Service, Adirondack, Maple Leaf or Ethan Allen services. They have announced the purchase of Siemens Airo fixed trainsets, some of which will be dual mode between diesel and a large storage battery, so that they can ditch using 3rd rail altogether in the Empire Connection tunnel and at NY Pennsylvania station. These battery dual modes will be in pool service with trainsets used on Northeast Regional, Empire, Keystone, New Haven-Springfield-Greenfield, and Virginia services; the Downeaster, Vermonter, Maple Leaf, Ethan Allen Express and Adirondack; Palmetto, Carolinian, and Pennsylvanian
The trainsets are already in production at Siemens factory in California, with initial revenue service scheduled to start sometime in 2026.
Great stuff! What a difference 30 years makes. The ability to fit a 16-cylinder QSK95, alternator, electronics, and inverters, unlike the P32DM which only had room for a 12-cylinder...
The 16 QSK is about the same size as a 12 FDL.
You forget that P40/42s have 7FDL16s and are the same size as a P32...
@@danielchou5895 175.2 L (10,690 cu in) (7FDL16) vs 131.4 L (8,020 cu in) (7FDL12)
@@danielchou5895yeah they chose -12 for P32’s
That’s why they sound so good. If the P32s didn’t fit P40s would have -12 too. He’s correct on the fact Genesis is the same size
Awesome catches, while the P32AC-DM is my favorite Metro North locomotive with the loud roar coming from the GE-7FDL-12 engine, I am starting to like these new SC-42DM chargers. The MTA will definitely save on fuel with these new locomotives. I definitely like that they also have the same Nathan K5LA that the P32AC-DM's have, along with the newer e-bells
Awesome clips
“Charging Into The Future.” Well played, Good Sir.
2:00 Good Traction Inverter/Traction Motor sounds. Although I think the switching frequency is lower than the previous generation P32s.
I think the P32AC uses 540Hz and the SC42 uses a ramp up from a low frequency of approximately 100Hz to 420Hz, with both using complex OPP Harmonic Minimum modulation, I think, following the starting carrier frequency section and eventually reaching motor rated voltage.
If there's any graphs depicting the modulation in relation to the train's speed/motor frequency I would love to see it!
The P32AC-DM has inverter sounds?! Half the time I can never hear them in GCT
Cause them fans are so dang loud!
First of many catches with the new units
Beautiful and long awaited…next the archaic passenger cars from the ‘70’s 🙏🏼💙🇺🇸
There are no cars on MNR from the 70s. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Beautiful locomotives! Amtrak is getting those too for Empire Service.
I think they're getting ones with a battery car powered by regenerative braking rather than a third-rail. Perhaps because Amtrak-owned third-rail territory is limited to the tunnels of the Empire connection, Penn Station, and the East River tunnels/Sunnyside. I don't get why they wouldn't get this third-rail version, though. Maybe track rights/not being allowed to use MN's 3rd rail system?
@@sevenspinner87 Also, the "dual mode" chargers are flawed as hell!
@@amtrak_121 Not the best-looking American locomotive, to be sure. Curious of the flaws you mention--I know the diesel ones had teething problems on Amtrak Long Distance routes. Otherwise, I'm out of the loop.
@@amtrak_121 How could you possibly know that?
@@amtrak_121 Yes they are!! You have a problem with that!
THAT LOOKS SO RARE
Locomotive south is indeed rare
@@RiverRailPhoto and i also see metro norths in my area as well
Have anybody noticed the look on the plow? It looks different than the other chargers
Ooooh new engines, and they’re much quieter now too
I can imagine the Chargers with the New Haven Scheme
The New Haven chargers locomotives is definitely getting six of them I'm telling you that right now dogs 🐶
@ Woo Hoo!
Really sleek!❤️
Great content as always. At 2:28, was the head engine running in third rail mode?
Noticing that 301 doesn’t have its shoes yet… while 302 has its shoes… interesting
What do you mean?
I think he was referring the 3rd Rail Shoes on the SC-42DM
Yes
They’re only testing diesel operations right now first, so that makes sense.
@@Eric5ohhh @2:10 you can see the 3rd rail arch. They’re definitely testing both modes.
2:04 look at the sparks! It’s using third rail!
YES SIR
I’m assuming these will roll out less on the New Haven line since it’s mostly catenary
And also runs EMU
This is My First Time Look The Siemens Charger
Very nice. These Chargers look sharp and it's great that they're capable of running on 3rd rail all the way to the end of electrified territory. In my opinion, Amtrak should go with these instead of experimenting with battery electric locomotives for their Empire Service.
Amtrak is buying them
@RiverRailPhoto I thought they were getting diesel/battery electric hybrids for the Empire Service. Did they change the order?
@@RiverRailPhoto last I checked, a handful of the new Amtrak Airo sets will be diesel/battery electric hybrids to run in and out of Penn Station without the use of 3rd rail power. They'll be dedicated to the Empire Service Corridor. Unless batteries have significantly improved, I don't see them lasting a long time in electric mode considering the battery has to power the locomotive and 6 cars.
@@NJTAmtrakGuy also true. Have a great day!
Surprisingly quiet
Introducing “Metro-North Charger”
They are so beautiful
Lovely
Ooooh nice
Oh wow! I love it and it’s about time to retire those GE P32 locomotives!
I see they used The Birmingham set for Charger testing.
Nice, good looking livery too. How did they manage to resolve the issue of limited power on 3rd rail? 3rd rail doesn't feed nearly as much power as catenary which is why the EMUs have 3rd rail shoes on every car and why the P32s switch to diesel as soon as they're able (once clear of the Park Ave tunnel when leaving GCT and once in the Empire connector tunnel for Amtrak leaving Penn). I somehow doubt they're going to run a loco at each end, LIRR only does that to avoid gapping the 3rd rail in Penn. And now it's time to replace those old shoreliner cars.
I don't know what you mean by limited power supply, the general design of the third rail is unchanged for 120 years and it works fine
Omg it’s happening!
Big moment here
Will those things run all the way to Poughkeepsie?
Yes, just like P32s do now
Absolutely
Will they pull the same cars as the P32s do or newer?
For a while they will pull the current Shoreliner locomotive hauled coaches, but MNRR has plans to start ordering replacement coaches in 2029.
@joshkarpoff3341 thanks to congestion pricing
Is this true, I was told these would also replace metro-north’s west of Hudson f40s
They are gonna replace the genesis P32ACDM but I couldn’t see why not because Metro North still has options to buy more of these locomotives if MTA gets some more funding
That is a related order for similar SC-44 models, diesel only locomotives
Unlikely as the west of the Hudson is not electrified with third rail and currently only runs to Hoboken. Maybe after gateway, when there will be more capacity, Metro North could run to Penn and then something similar to this could be optioned with catenary for operation to Penn.
@@Thebaguettesthey don't make Chargers with pantographs
That would be an ACS-64
Great! :D
These new SC42s are SOOOOOOOOO QUIET compared to the P32!!
Does the in-revenue configuration call for an engine in the front and back? Maybe to maintain contact to the third rail at all times?
No, they will be engine north (west for the traditionalists) only. Double ending the train gives them the opportunity to test 2 locomotives as the same time.
So engines will always face outbound like the MBTA does?
What’s next a ALC-44
A question are they going to run 2 locomotives when they get the new one instead of just one locomotive like they do now
No
Just one engine. Just like the FL9AC did and the p32 metro North genius. Including the F10s back in the 90s .
Wow they didn’t waste any time testing these
I hope they will OVERHAUL the Shoreliners with modern technology
The Shoreliner Is were first delivered in 1983. These have already been through overhaul before and are in need of replacement. The current plan is to place an order for a new series of modern coaches which will in theory start delivering in 2029. CTDOT just placed an order with Alstom for 60 new coaches for their other services, which should start delivering in 2026.
@@joshkarpoff3341what about USB and Power Outlets?
@@joshkarpoff3341 I think those new cars should be called the Alstom C4 (Named after the Kawasaki C3s from LIRR)
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A question are they going to run 2 locomotives when they get the new one instead of just one locomotive like they do now
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