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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- The Bone Necromancer weirdly keeps getting requested, and I realized I hadn't refreshed him in the new guide style yet - so figured it was also a good opportunity to talk about gear most people overlook that can potentially be "best in slot" short of certain rares.
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>Homunculus with an Um rune
Ahh yes, the Homunumculus
Going to give this build a shot for my first authentic single-player playthrough. Hadn't even considered it before but it looks great, thank you for the guide!
They need to drastically improve bones spear damage and teeth’s
I don't think it needs to be improved that much more. Just give bone spear like an extra 2% synergy and it'll be right there imo
Honestly, if it wasn't for the pvp crowd, we'd probably see all the bone skills bumped up (imo - spirit should be way more damaging than it is - since as it stands, even with the 2.4 bumps - it's only just slightly better than spear, and if you have extra spear specific plus skills, it passes spirit). Though if it was bumped, necro would destroy in pvp - which would result in a lot of damage control the devs likely don't want... and this is coming from someone who quit pvp a long time ago (I quit competitive games in general for mental health reasons)
Teeth dmg is okay-ish if they allowed multiple projectiles shotgun a single enemy. It would be a nice different close quarters playstyle
Yeah, PnB is literally a pvp only build unless you play project d2. The sunder charm probably helps a bit but I haven't played d2r since I started pd2, lol.
@@Alzorathwould u tilt?))
I'd never properly played Necro (or caster builds generally) until this ladder season. Started with the Bone necro with the intention of switching to Summon, but found some gear that lent itself to PnB so kept playing it. Reached level 87 without too much drama, largely SSF. Really enjoyed it a lot more than I expected.
he really is a relaxing build to play :) - lost less stressful than most the glass cannons people promote.
Nobody has mentioned yet how insane that caster amulet is. verry nicceee
sadly, despite tens of thousands of crafts - still only have good ones for paladin and necro lol - still trying for a good sorc one one day (that's pretty much why I pick up so many gems/jewels while testing or getting b-roll)
@Alzorath what are you looking for in sorc ammy. I crafted 2 pretty nice ones. 2/20fcr/21life/13mana/7%mana regen/all res 13
Along for es, I crafted a 2sorc/10fcr/25strength/13 mana/6%mana regen/20cold res/20fire res/20lightning res/58 poison res.
It rolled all res 20, which is perfect and it rolled poison res 28 out of 30. That's why it's listed individually.
I just watched this an hour ago and just now found a Necro head with +3 bone spear, 1 to Decrepify, and 1 to bone spirit!
congratulations :)
If I ever go back to my Bone Necro it'll be a nice shield, though I'm really enjoying Poison Nova.
9:15 Why your Shako gives physical damage reduced and mine gives just damage reduced? And what the crossed out skeleton icon means? It says "relinquish control bla bla bla something". What will happen if I press it?
Your skellies get disappear.
@@rubenpylvanainen677 Thanks.
Bone necro is so fun to play !
Nice video man!
one of my go-to builds for sure.
Bone with revives exploding the screen is pure chaos.
Naturally transitioned into this build in my first few months of playing (pretty much just nightmare and act 1 hell). Have come back to playing the game properly and giving Hell a proper go. Was a little annoying trying to balance resistances with other things (like +skills, FCR etc.) but have been finding better gear like Arachnid's mesh and Guillaume's for my merc. Still far to go before getting it perfect but I've been enjoying the build a lot. I tend not to use Corpse Explosion as I'm just not a fan of it but that could change as I start to get more +skills to it. But even with the low points that I have into things (only a few in my CG and Decrep atm) it's surprisingly effective.
Bone is my preferred game clearing spec, however the scaling falls off at endgame so I swap off it as soon as I drop Hell Baal.
Bone has a lot of room for improvement IMO, however it is largely hampered by the PVP community. When it comes to suggested changes I think we need to discuss a flat 50% reduction to magic damage done in PVP. doing so will enable a lot more room for balance in PVM without completely throwing PVP into chaos.
Only after the PVP change I would like to see the removal of Wall and Prison from the damage dealing skills synergy list; the extra investment should be optional not required to complete the build. Reducing the number of synergies by 1/2 would require a doubling of the current synergy bonus (spear and spirit 8 -> 16% and teeth 15 -> 30%) in order to maintain current skill damage however I would advocate an increase in the base skill damage by 20-50% to improve the skills damage scaling with + skill gear. this change would allow the player to choose what other skill options to take and allow multiple build-paths similar to the poison build.
Lastly Teeth should be able to shotgun. it would allow for a risk/reward play and improve its general utility.
Honestly, if it wasn't for pvp, a lot of skills would feel better in pvm :) - it's one of the big downsides to trying to balance a game around both, since you usually have to decide between 'fun and interesting' and 'balanced against other fun and interesting'
@@Alzorath the other idea that's been floated recently, and how D4 handles it would be swapping teeth and spear to phys damage. Instant +100% from amp and more value to the Bone Break sunder.
additionally leaving spirit as a magic damage dealer gives it an identity apart from the bone spells. I could see some sort of buff with a mana and/or HP recovery bonus for landing a spirit so it becomes more of a utility spell to weave into rotation as opposed to a strict damage dealer; which would allow something other than an insight merc to be run and not really mess with PVP.
With the synergy reduction you could run skellies as well and finally build out a hybrid Bone Necromancer that would look a lot like the D4 Necro; which I would 100% main for S3.
Thanks for the video! On my bone necro, when I got up to near lvl 90, I threw points into skeletons, mages, and revives, since with +skills it they are all around lvl13. Adds some fun since with only 3 points (mastery from marrowwalk) you also get an army (not super effective, but fun). Personally I never use bone wall or prison for farming, generally not necessary even without the army
White wand with + 1 revive, +3 bone spear is the best
I was considering respeccing to Poison Necro because I heard that it has very high damage output and a very good farming class. I decided to stick with Bone however because, the skills are just way too good to pass up and is highly optimized. Easy to switch between three core projectile skills and cast and then re-cast barriers and buffs, also being easier to aim with in general.
Also I love using Teeth, not my go to skill for general damage, but mainly kind of a "side-arm" of sorts dealing damage up close or if I want a larger radius. It's definitely a lot more powerful than how most guides downplay it.
4:56 what I do is once I'm in act 2 and level 17, look for a runeword base wand that has 2 os with +3 to bone spear. You'll be able to make the runeword "white" with dol io
a super cheap runeword that will give +2 to bone spear, +3 poison and bones and 3 to bone armor. with that base having +3 to bone spear already, that's a +5 to bone spear for total of +8 to bone spear. it will require level 35 to use but it's quite nice.
5:15 yeah, what hes saying. I guess I should have waited xd
Or if you have a Larzuk option with +3 bone spear like my unlucky ass, go for it. Sometimes finding the good wand with bases you want to cover goes a long way.
Just make sure it's a wand base that can get 2 sockets - not all of them can ;)
I guess it's controversial but my "bone" necro only dumped hard points into bone Spear, bone spirit, and bone wall. Only 1 point in teeth and bone prison, 1 in life tap and decrepit. I have 15 in golem mastery and 10 in corpse explosion. I use fire golem (1 point) but clay + decrepify for act bosses. I have max block, decent health, and the merc uses defiance with obedience (Best I can make SSF). It's super solid. Yes, it takes an extra cast or two to defeat an enemy or two, but it's pretty awesome. I may make an all-bone version one day, to compare how they play up. But this version is pretty safe and I play on /players 3.
They need to remove the wall and prison synergies
this is my go to build regardless of which patch
How are you that tanky in the face of Big D?!! I'm trying to clear Hell HC for the first time ever... Playing summoner for now but still scared to get one shot out of nowhere. Got a SS for max block so far. No homunculus or 3ple Trangs for poison build either.
max resists, max block, and decent level bone armor (most the value is from the bone wall and bone prison synergies, though they did bring the skill itself up to the same value as them) - bone armor applies before any resists though, so things like the frenzytaurs can tear it up pretty quick, but the act bosses don't physical swing enough to be an issue.
@@Alzorath thanks! Guess I could invest a bit in bone armor synergies now that I'm done with summons to make sure I survive hell! Thank you!
They should really add cast rate to the caster glove recipe … it’s annoying that you are stuck with only two gloves on casters and 90% of the time they have useless stats besides the cast rate.. don’t make it so every single caster glove has castrate, but do it much like caster amulets where it ranges between 5% and 20% … It’s not like it would make that Trang gloves or the mage fist gloves, obsolete either because poison champions would still want trang and fire champions would still want mage fists…
Heck, even if it was just limited to 1-10% FCR on caster gloves it would be welcome - would fill a role like the belt as an interim use thing.
I like builds that work in both pvm and pvp, start them out more pvm focused and later on respec to pvp gear once it’s “good enough” which is usually around the 3-4th month into a ladder season and then have my 2nd toon be my mfer until I can sell that gear and really pimp out my first toon.
So I usually end up with like a spidersin, bva, v/t, bowa, es/fb-es/blizz but I think I may just end up playing a bone nec next ladder
+1 Revive and +1 decrep wand is GG. Besides that HOTO for sure.
yup, unfortunately those can only be dropped, so they're even rarer - at least the +3 bone spear wands can be shopped for a great alternative to spirit :)
If the bone necromancer gets teeth dmg that does go forth and then hit back a second time or third time, pvm bone necro will rock
Been thinking of running a bone necro.. this video helped prep me. Thanks! Off to slaughter Fallen...
Good luck!
Everytime I try to make a bone Necro. I end up making a summon Necro instead. Just too good
summon necros are definitely better for bosses, though I personally like them both :)
i thought there was only 95 points for skills in game, how do ppl have so many? Sorry im new
you get 110 skill points if you complete all quests and get to level 99 (98 from levels, 12 from quests), and there's +skill items.
@@Alzorath Thank you, was wondering after so many vids as I wasnt sure where to spend my points. your videos have helped me a lot : )
you forgot dim vision...his most important curse
Quality as hell guide
I'd like to know your opinion. I wanna start MFing (in SSF) with a necro. Would you go for Bone, Poison or Necro?
depends on gear availability and what you're farming for - if you're going for runes, I like "Fishymancer" (summons + CE), if I'm going for uniques/rares - I usually do act bosses with bone - poison is more for my "just having fun" and I usually don't kick it off until I have a death's web, but it's doable before that if you choose your farming zones carefully
@@AlzorathGotcha thank you! Since I'm starting this SSF run from scratch and I may need both runes and drops to reroll in the future. I guess both build do make sense then. Thanks a ton :)
Sadly, Full Trang's gear is not recommended due to the hard hit and super odd breakpoints to FCR for the Vampire/Ghoul Necro.
Is is "solo cell found" or "solo sefl-owned"? And what does it mean?
Solo:self-found
Single player
@@whitekony1006 In other words, "normal"... why not just call it that?
@@sim.frischh9781 "Normal" is subjective. I like sharing items among my characters. Some people never play offline characters. "Solo-Selffound" quickly describes that you get neither help from your other characters, friends or anything you can trade for.
@@Nerdality_Florian I call it "normal" because any other mode requires online connection, servers and other people to actually play with, none of that comes with just buying the game. Those are not yours, only your game is.
@@sim.frischh9781 how are you commenting on youtube if you have no internet connection? "normal" for the vast majority of diablo 2 players is battlenet
Wish they would boost Teeth damage its feel somewhat Meh on hell difficulty.
honestly, I think just allowing an enemy to take damage from more than one tooth would make it far more viable (I have beaten hell just using teeth, so it's doable, but a bit sluggish at points - especially bosses)
"a bit more controller friendly" translates to auto targeting for lack of a functional cursor. A good point, though one could also argue a case for, oh, say mouse and keyboard support. But minus those use cases like needing to target a corpse, and no, not the on way behind you..., Or trying to pick up a particular piece of loot, or use basically most strategies in the game. The auto target demonstrates that it's usefulness is way overshadowed by just how clunky it is. But sure, let's not forget the sweet perks of assigning a button to loot. Oh be still my beating heart....
All in all though Necro is super controller friendly but I generally steer towards more CE radius to compensate for lack of aim. Then again if we just want controller friendly characters, hammerdin is a no brainer. Cross platform. Renouned the world over for how unbalanced it is and ease of use.
U didn't mention the way of double aura with golem, wizardspike, the combo kill... And magefist who works with CE! You don't need high dmg for destroy pvm if u use right keys 😉
Necro is the best char for pvm in all ways.
But food video for Guys who want try necro for the first time ✌️
lmao as im runnin baal rn with my necro with this vid on 2nd monitor 11:35 called out
may i ask. do fohdin need sunder???
When built properly (fohybrid), no - but pure fohdins that do lightning focus use them
pnb needs synergy work and pvp needs its own game settings and they are both fixed but they rather just boost the pally lol
Anybody know where the best place to shop a summon skele wand would be??
if you're looking for a base for making a "white" from it - act 2 drognan or act 1 akara in normal difficulty.
Unfortunately, it's not possible to get a +3 Summon skills wand with +Skele Mastery/Raise Skeleton (Golemlord's is a magic only prefix, and magic rerolls can only drop the "ilvl" down to 25, which is 1 too high for skele mastery/raise - so the best you can get is +2 all necro rare w/ +summon skills by rerolling a rare on a low level character to drop it below ilvl 24)
This is the main reason arm of leoric is so popular
@@Alzorath thank you so much for the response, I was shopping for hours looking for a +3 necro skills with raise skele and skele mastery for hours. Your videos are great my friend definitely subbed 🙌
@@Alzorath that is some next level knowledge
Bruh, why not a single point in skeleton?
This is a bone necro, not a summoner.
What level is best to shop for a bone spear 2 Soc?
act 2 normal has an ilvl cap on what is sold - so any level 18+ is fine (I would do level 20+ though) - but you want to shop normal difficulty drognan.
@@Alzorath thanks for the reply 👍🏻
How is your dmg so high when I have better gear on?
Bone skill damage is purely based on +skills - also the only real improvement to the gear would be "trophy rares" (namely circlet and possibly a necro head)
Do any curses affect bone spear damage?
sadly no, due to being pure magic damage
Wizardspike is my favorite. +50% FCR and +75 all res.
when they fix the marrowwalk bug?
I forget the exact patch, but it was back in LoD
Lol hdin and blizz.. yay I can only farm some areas……. Mosaic ftw
Looks like you have 20 plus to skills ???
+11 all skills, but up to depending on the gear swap I use (for example white+splendor) - it will get up to over 30+ to bone spear.
Damage output vs bosses is underwhelming, a javazon with cheap gear kills Hell Ball in seconds.
and the Citric Acid content of oranges is higher than apples.
bone wall is op in pvp
Back in the day it was BM - not sure about these days :)
I want to like your videos but the amount of skill boost really changes how builds function. I’d like to see more builds with 30-35. Not nearly 50. Thats my opinion, but beyond that you do a great work.
It would unfortunately be video suicide to do videos exclusively with mid-tier gear - unless otherwise noted, the builds function just fine with the budget and mid-tier gear mentioned in the leveling section of the guides though.
@@Alzorath I wouldn’t say not having an inventory filled with skillers is midtier at all. Good videos, just a little bit of an elitist mindset. Doing builds with chase gear and the common charm (torch anni) does fine. Any build clears p8 hell with 50 lvl skills
I am not sure why everyone says bone nec is the best for starting ladder, I ran a bone nec this last ladder as my starter and it was horrible a complete slog. My normal go to is javazon which is much easier and last time for the first ladder I ran a fohdin which was also much easier. To be frank, I thought the bone nec was hands down the worst starter build I have come across.
... necromancers can't be javazons or fohdins - so if you want to start the ladder as a necromancer, your two best options are going to be bone necro (high survivability, moderate damage, item independent) or summoner (high survivability, low output damage, high reactionary damage, item independent).
If all you're looking for is a "quick clear to farm" on ladder - Hydra/Orb sorceress, BlizzOrb and Run past stuff sorceress, or FoHammerdin like everyone else who is just on ladder to farm junk for FG.
That said, bone necro is actually a really easy starter - especially on hardcore - because he's damn near unstoppable and only dies if you forget your resistances.
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The damage is lacking
Like I said - it's a b-tier build, that is actually a powerful pvp build too when tweaked a bit - wouldn't say the damage is "lacking" though, unless we're getting in the "touch grass" level of sweaty boys that need to one shot stuff on p8 lol.
The only character I use a sunder is my wind druid, it's overrated
I generally don't bother with one when I'm running wind - pretty much the only druids I run it on are the fire ones.