The hagoromo downplay is real with this one. His base when he was a teen was strong enough to hold his own with PRIME kaguya but he needed his brothers help to defeat her. Just the two of them were needed to defeat her. Naruto and Sasuke needed outside help from kakashi, obito, and sakura to defeat her. They had all the intel whilst hagoromo and hamura had to learn over time during the fight. After they defeated her, he absorbed the ten tails at the pinnacle of its power and a portion of kaguyas own power as well. He would then get stronger over time but he started spreading his chakra around the earth to everybody so they can have chakra for themselves. Hagoromo in his prime would be an ABSOLUTE BEAST.
Great video, but i think your really miss representing baryon mode to hype isshikis durability, the only time when isshiki mention he was not worried about the hits was when baryon mode was literally shown to be running out and naruto getting weaker, you can just say ohk supposed naruto had more time? And it would be the same. Fact is baryon mode is more powerful than isshiki is, another thing where you said isshiki could dimension swap until baryon mode runs out, but really doesnt make any sense, you yourself said SPEED can neg a lot of things, naruto can sense things as well so naruto sensing him gathering that chakra to jump and being way faster than him as was shown should already prove that he couldnt dimension hop and get away from naruto, but as for the outcome of the fight i agree.
Ummm have you forgotten about Hagaromo’s creation of all things jutsu. Isn't that supposed to be like Izanagi on steroids. Also Kaguya catching Isshiki off guard isn't that weird. Remember Rinnesharingan Madara and black zetsu possessed Obito.
If it wasn't for Ishhiki being able to speed blitz everyone then the battle would've been waayy harder for him they might've even won. Also if Kaguya's ash all killing bones are still apart of her then Ishhiki shouldn't be able shrink those right?
Good point, regardless if he can or can't shrink them he's still way to fast for her to land anything unless they all drive him to a corner but seeing as how majority of the members get one-shotted quickly she wouldn't get a chance
Honestly Urashiki dojutsu abilities were broken A’f due to how stupid of a weak ass character in terms of depth and being a villain he got clapped by two overpowered genins with of course help from sasuke and jaraiyah whom logically shouldn’t even have been in the same plain field as a otsutsuki and someone like sasuke.
I was wondering if Hanzo could beat Hiruzen. Idk if Isshiki can escape out of the 6 paths seal that they used on Kaguya if he cants he loses to Hagoromo if he can he sweeps. But in lore Hagoromo is able to see a Jutsu once and develop an instant counter to it sooo...idk man idk
Hagaromo would have to tag isshiki for that to happen! Isshiki is leagues above kaguya yet it took hagaromo days with the help of Hamura just to seal her so I don’t think he would get the chance. Characters do have certain abilities to stop/kill him but isshiki blitz pretty much anybody. He’d destroy the weaker members in seconds.
@@chosen713 yeah fair point fair point, was thinking on if they all attacked him at once I do feel like Kaguya would know what Isshiki is capable of so she would be fighting him as well as trying to kind of command everyone else well except Indra and Ashura cause they are super fodder. In a formation to get Hagromo in place to tag him since Hagromo could do the sealing by himself. But I do admit it's like 1% chance. If this was to happen 100 times Isshiki would win 99 times
@@GreyLeo Agree, like i said in the video if everyone besides hagaromo kaguya and momoshiki we're stronger and had better hax then this would be a totally differrent fight. But those 3 can't do it themselves. Isshiki is also highly intelligent so that's also a bonus on him
@@chosen713 The hagoromo downplay is real with this one. His base when he was a teen was strong enough to hold his own with PRIME kaguya but he needed his brothers help to defeat her. Just the two of them were needed to defeat her. Naruto and Sasuke needed outside help from kakashi, obito, and sakura to defeat her. They had all the intel whilst hagoromo and hamura had to learn over time during the fight. After they defeated her, he absorbed the ten tails at the pinnacle of its power and a portion of kaguyas own power as well. He would then get stronger over time but he started spreading his chakra around the earth to everybody so they can have chakra for themselves. Hagoromo in his prime would be an ABSOLUTE BEAST.
Urashiki lost to kid naruto, boruto, nerfed sasuke and jiraiya without sage mode i’d argue he’s the weakest here lol the time travel arc is a hot mess for scaling I wouldn’t have even mentioned him tbh
no cap, same applies to indra and ashura cause them boys is beyond fodder in this debate but honestly an otsutsuki is still an otsutsuki. Plus that ability to see into the future could play a good support role if used properly.
That feat is to flawed! I look at that the same way madara was taken out by zetsu, kishimoto didn’t know how to take out madara so he pulled something like that out of a hat. It’s why I said kaguya is problematic for this debate. Idk what kodachi was thinking when writing that because isshiki’s feats prove that attack should have been countered
@@chosen713 The same scaling applies to zetsu. Think about it like this, if you are a 6'6" 250 lb guy and im a 5'5" 150 pound guy, and I try to knock you out, (disregarding vital points) it shouldnt matter if you are off guard or not, a punch from me should be light. Unless you can prove that naruto characters have less durability when off guard then this feat still applies, especially considering that its VITAL to the plot making sense.
@@coolshadow4541 They obviously do. It doesn't make sense for Zetsu to do this if they had the same durability. Aside from this, off-guard Naruto was pierced by a sword and Kurama straight up said it's happened cuz he wasn't prepared for it due to being rusty.
@@sasukedubbz3899 He only did it off guard to prevent madara from blitzing him. Naruto can be pierced by sharp things because of basic physics, he doesnt have blade / cut resistance but has force resistance, thats what durability is. Swords bypass durability via cutting or thrusting force on small / thin areas.
Underestimating Baryon mode. Clearly Naruto was the better fighter. And the mode is made to respect the condition of plot. If you remove ishikki s limits you have to do the same for Baryon mode stats. Underestimate Hagoromo six path sage mode rennegan + sussano amp with being the full juubi jinchuriki Momoshiki Hamura and Kaguya byagukan quality can surely follow ishikki. Regarding urashiki if he's lead by the others he can be a very serious problem for ishikki. Also you seem to forget about the truth seeking orbs of Asura or Hagoromo. Not sure ishikki s dojutsu can work on them and even if he shrinks them they can be resize reshape however. Ishikki dojutsu uses lots of chakra so I think he'd lose the fight by exhaustion
This isn’t fair honestl cuz Isshiki is gonna speed blitz every one then drop a cube on them and that would be that. Isshiki > Ostutsuki clan Low - Mid diffs and Am i the only one who thinks Urashiki is stronger than Kaguya but the Boruto writers made him trash?
I definitely just clicked on this within 1 second of upload
You scaled kaguya and hagoromo wrong.
The hagoromo downplay is real with this one. His base when he was a teen was strong enough to hold his own with PRIME kaguya but he needed his brothers help to defeat her. Just the two of them were needed to defeat her. Naruto and Sasuke needed outside help from kakashi, obito, and sakura to defeat her. They had all the intel whilst hagoromo and hamura had to learn over time during the fight. After they defeated her, he absorbed the ten tails at the pinnacle of its power and a portion of kaguyas own power as well. He would then get stronger over time but he started spreading his chakra around the earth to everybody so they can have chakra for themselves. Hagoromo in his prime would be an ABSOLUTE BEAST.
Great video, but i think your really miss representing baryon mode to hype isshikis durability, the only time when isshiki mention he was not worried about the hits was when baryon mode was literally shown to be running out and naruto getting weaker, you can just say ohk supposed naruto had more time? And it would be the same. Fact is baryon mode is more powerful than isshiki is, another thing where you said isshiki could dimension swap until baryon mode runs out, but really doesnt make any sense, you yourself said SPEED can neg a lot of things, naruto can sense things as well so naruto sensing him gathering that chakra to jump and being way faster than him as was shown should already prove that he couldnt dimension hop and get away from naruto, but as for the outcome of the fight i agree.
Ummm have you forgotten about Hagaromo’s creation of all things jutsu. Isn't that supposed to be like Izanagi on steroids. Also Kaguya catching Isshiki off guard isn't that weird. Remember Rinnesharingan Madara and black zetsu possessed Obito.
If I’m not mistaken didn’t kishimoto say he had difficulty deciding how to take out madara? That was kinda of an asspull
If it wasn't for Ishhiki being able to speed blitz everyone then the battle would've been waayy harder for him they might've even won. Also if Kaguya's ash all killing bones are still apart of her then Ishhiki shouldn't be able shrink those right?
Good point, regardless if he can or can't shrink them he's still way to fast for her to land anything unless they all drive him to a corner but seeing as how majority of the members get one-shotted quickly she wouldn't get a chance
@@chosen713 Makes sense Ishhiki is the only one out of all the Outsutsuki we've seen so far who radiates Black air force energy.
i thought you quit lmao
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Honestly Urashiki dojutsu abilities were broken A’f due to how stupid of a weak ass character in terms of depth and being a villain he got clapped by two overpowered genins with of course help from sasuke and jaraiyah whom logically shouldn’t even have been in the same plain field as a otsutsuki and someone like sasuke.
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I was wondering if Hanzo could beat Hiruzen.
Idk if Isshiki can escape out of the 6 paths seal that they used on Kaguya if he cants he loses to Hagoromo if he can he sweeps. But in lore Hagoromo is able to see a Jutsu once and develop an instant counter to it sooo...idk man idk
Hagaromo would have to tag isshiki for that to happen! Isshiki is leagues above kaguya yet it took hagaromo days with the help of Hamura just to seal her so I don’t think he would get the chance. Characters do have certain abilities to stop/kill him but isshiki blitz pretty much anybody. He’d destroy the weaker members in seconds.
@@chosen713 yeah fair point fair point, was thinking on if they all attacked him at once I do feel like Kaguya would know what Isshiki is capable of so she would be fighting him as well as trying to kind of command everyone else well except Indra and Ashura cause they are super fodder. In a formation to get Hagromo in place to tag him since Hagromo could do the sealing by himself. But I do admit it's like 1% chance. If this was to happen 100 times Isshiki would win 99 times
@@GreyLeo Agree, like i said in the video if everyone besides hagaromo kaguya and momoshiki we're stronger and had better hax then this would be a totally differrent fight. But those 3 can't do it themselves. Isshiki is also highly intelligent so that's also a bonus on him
@@chosen713 true he is and is literally the only Naruto character that will have a polite conversation with you as he is beating on you.
@@chosen713 The hagoromo downplay is real with this one. His base when he was a teen was strong enough to hold his own with PRIME kaguya but he needed his brothers help to defeat her. Just the two of them were needed to defeat her. Naruto and Sasuke needed outside help from kakashi, obito, and sakura to defeat her. They had all the intel whilst hagoromo and hamura had to learn over time during the fight. After they defeated her, he absorbed the ten tails at the pinnacle of its power and a portion of kaguyas own power as well. He would then get stronger over time but he started spreading his chakra around the earth to everybody so they can have chakra for themselves. Hagoromo in his prime would be an ABSOLUTE BEAST.
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Urashiki lost to kid naruto, boruto, nerfed sasuke and jiraiya without sage mode i’d argue he’s the weakest here lol the time travel arc is a hot mess for scaling I wouldn’t have even mentioned him tbh
no cap, same applies to indra and ashura cause them boys is beyond fodder in this debate but honestly an otsutsuki is still an otsutsuki. Plus that ability to see into the future could play a good support role if used properly.
Isshiki’s durability scales to a nerfed kaguya. + isshiki was nerfed by being in jigens body. Therefor kaguya ap =< isshiki dura
That feat is to flawed! I look at that the same way madara was taken out by zetsu, kishimoto didn’t know how to take out madara so he pulled something like that out of a hat. It’s why I said kaguya is problematic for this debate. Idk what kodachi was thinking when writing that because isshiki’s feats prove that attack should have been countered
@@chosen713 The same scaling applies to zetsu. Think about it like this, if you are a 6'6" 250 lb guy and im a 5'5" 150 pound guy, and I try to knock you out, (disregarding vital points) it shouldnt matter if you are off guard or not, a punch from me should be light. Unless you can prove that naruto characters have less durability when off guard then this feat still applies, especially considering that its VITAL to the plot making sense.
@@coolshadow4541 They obviously do. It doesn't make sense for Zetsu to do this if they had the same durability. Aside from this, off-guard Naruto was pierced by a sword and Kurama straight up said it's happened cuz he wasn't prepared for it due to being rusty.
@@sasukedubbz3899 He only did it off guard to prevent madara from blitzing him. Naruto can be pierced by sharp things because of basic physics, he doesnt have blade / cut resistance but has force resistance, thats what durability is. Swords bypass durability via cutting or thrusting force on small / thin areas.
Orochimaru also couldn't pierce Naruto with his sword.
Underestimating Baryon mode. Clearly Naruto was the better fighter. And the mode is made to respect the condition of plot. If you remove ishikki s limits you have to do the same for Baryon mode stats.
Underestimate Hagoromo six path sage mode rennegan + sussano amp with being the full juubi jinchuriki
Momoshiki Hamura and Kaguya byagukan quality can surely follow ishikki. Regarding urashiki if he's lead by the others he can be a very serious problem for ishikki. Also you seem to forget about the truth seeking orbs of Asura or Hagoromo. Not sure ishikki s dojutsu can work on them and even if he shrinks them they can be resize reshape however.
Ishikki dojutsu uses lots of chakra so I think he'd lose the fight by exhaustion
This isn’t fair honestl cuz Isshiki is gonna speed blitz every one then drop a cube on them and that would be that.
Isshiki > Ostutsuki clan Low - Mid diffs and Am i the only one who thinks Urashiki is stronger than Kaguya but the Boruto writers made him trash?
Yea ur the only one