Love the video I think it will be more helpful if you were on a site handling the materials that you're talking about in the different stages that you're referring to
We have been using the clean stone method year round, depending on application. Its faster to compact, and has more of a tolerance for your base and bedding layer. What have you found is the best method of edge restraint on the clean stone method?
It's definitely a lot easier to work with than gravel and sand! Only reason I don't use it for everything right now is because it doesn't meet ICPI spec yet. We use 3' pieces of rebar as our spikes. It takes a while to install but a lot less time than a concrete edge and wont crack!
I was about to ask the same question about edging. I'm in the middle of a patio right now and can't catch a break from the weather to finish the base. I think I'm going to give this a shot. Is there any reason you couldn't use concrete sand over top of the crushed stone? We have limestone here and I'm pretty sure limestone fines directly under the pavers will cause eflo issues.
Yes it's a good alternative to a concrete edge. You can probably even get away with 2' pieces. We have only used this method on vehicular applications so the base is a lot deeper. For pedestrian applications, 3' pieces are probably overkill. You should have no problem using concrete sand like normal as long as you put a layer of fabric between your stone and your bedding layer or else you will have issues with the sand washing through the clean stone.
I'm located in Vermont and we have used the clean stone method exactly as you described with absolutely no issues so far. Like you guys in NH we also have extremely hard rock though. Is that what Bill does over at Interstate?
Good video but i'm not 100% sure I agree with the statement about needing to use at least a 6500lb compactor. Wouldn't a compactor with say 3500lb CF but with 1/2 the surface area of a 7000lb machine compact just as well???
The surface area of the machines plate doesn't mean anything. A 3500 lb cf machine puts down 3500lbs no matter the size of the machines plate. A 3500 lb machine will do half a lift of a 7000 lb machine. You will get the same results but it will take twice as many lifts... twice as much time. You can compact using whatever size equipment you want but as far as efficiency goes you should be using at least a 6500 lb cf machine. Hope that all makes sense... haha
we did landscape install for a pool install we didn't do the hardscape but what the hardscape guy did the patio around the pool. what he did is when they poured the pool (it is a gunite pool) they also poured concrete where the patio around the pool would sit. Than they put the paver base panel things or something like on the concrete than layed the pavers and put concrete in the gaps. I thought this was a good idea what do you think?
I never pour concrete to lay pavers on but being in New England we have a lot of freeze thaw and concrete cracks to easily. I prefer to make my systems flexible but if you are going to mortar the joints rather than polysand, pouring a concrete footing is the right way to do it.
MassHardscaper Ya that's what they did concrete footing and a thick one too I'm in technically New England as well (New York, we are wherever we say we are) and we don't mess around with that stuff
Couple problems that we see is, not using the correct edging restraints, slopes, not using geo when necessary, lastly not setting the pavers into the sub-layer good enough (not compacting poly too).
This is awesome content. You'll start growing a large sub list with these type of vids.
Does poly sand chip 0ut in chunks after a few years?
Love the video I think it will be more helpful if you were on a site handling the materials that you're talking about in the different stages that you're referring to
Compaction depends on soil type as well. Here in TX, we have very stable clay based soil. 4500 lbs is plenty with a couple of passes.
Thanks for making this man! I would love more tips on the same order. Very informative.
great video. thanks for the pointers. Just learning about this stuff really appreciate the advice.
We have been using the clean stone method year round, depending on application. Its faster to compact, and has more of a tolerance for your base and bedding layer. What have you found is the best method of edge restraint on the clean stone method?
It's definitely a lot easier to work with than gravel and sand! Only reason I don't use it for everything right now is because it doesn't meet ICPI spec yet. We use 3' pieces of rebar as our spikes. It takes a while to install but a lot less time than a concrete edge and wont crack!
I was about to ask the same question about edging. I'm in the middle of a patio right now and can't catch a break from the weather to finish the base. I think I'm going to give this a shot.
Is there any reason you couldn't use concrete sand over top of the crushed stone? We have limestone here and I'm pretty sure limestone fines directly under the pavers will cause eflo issues.
Yes it's a good alternative to a concrete edge. You can probably even get away with 2' pieces. We have only used this method on vehicular applications so the base is a lot deeper. For pedestrian applications, 3' pieces are probably overkill.
You should have no problem using concrete sand like normal as long as you put a layer of fabric between your stone and your bedding layer or else you will have issues with the sand washing through the clean stone.
Awesome. We're going to try it. Thank you!
Well done bro
I'm located in Vermont and we have used the clean stone method exactly as you described with absolutely no issues so far. Like you guys in NH we also have extremely hard rock though. Is that what Bill does over at Interstate?
Definitely the best way to install come November/December time. Yes thats how Interstate does it as well as us down here in MA!
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why wont you install with clean stone year round? Is the install quicker with clean stone? Or is one better then another?
It depends on how often you do this kind of jobs.the Wacker 1550 does the job it compact good.
I subscribed! Great content! I love the skid steer videos
Thats awesome. Thanks!
Good video but i'm not 100% sure I agree with the statement about needing to use at least a 6500lb compactor. Wouldn't a compactor with say 3500lb CF but with 1/2 the surface area of a 7000lb machine compact just as well???
The surface area of the machines plate doesn't mean anything. A 3500 lb cf machine puts down 3500lbs no matter the size of the machines plate. A 3500 lb machine will do half a lift of a 7000 lb machine. You will get the same results but it will take twice as many lifts... twice as much time. You can compact using whatever size equipment you want but as far as efficiency goes you should be using at least a 6500 lb cf machine. Hope that all makes sense... haha
another great video, keep em coming
Thanks! Plenty more to come!
we did landscape install for a pool install we didn't do the hardscape but what the hardscape guy did the patio around the pool. what he did is when they poured the pool (it is a gunite pool) they also poured concrete where the patio around the pool would sit. Than they put the paver base panel things or something like on the concrete than layed the pavers and put concrete in the gaps. I thought this was a good idea what do you think?
I never pour concrete to lay pavers on but being in New England we have a lot of freeze thaw and concrete cracks to easily. I prefer to make my systems flexible but if you are going to mortar the joints rather than polysand, pouring a concrete footing is the right way to do it.
MassHardscaper Ya that's what they did concrete footing and a thick one too I'm in technically New England as well (New York, we are wherever we say we are) and we don't mess around with that stuff
Couple problems that we see is, not using the correct edging restraints, slopes, not using geo when necessary, lastly not setting the pavers into the sub-layer good enough (not compacting poly too).
Thanks! My hope with these videos is to help others out but more subs would be great too. Yes those are all common mistakes too sadly...
Good tips. Thnx.
great video!
Thanks!
Name a polysand that cures the full depth regardless of the season. I challenge you because I have yet to see it.
Is not too booring??
Heads up dude
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