FFS is the main reason I quit fishing non team tournaments as a Co angler. I qualified for a BASS Nation regional and I was paired with a boater that used FFS off shore all day and essentially back boated me all day so I learned just to fan cast off the back of the boat trying for roaming fish. It definitely makes it tougher for Co anglers to find fish with a limited target area.
Im just glad i dont fish these types of tournaments anymore. These boaters feel so much more entitled than we used to as boaters where we shared the boat and the fish. The associations are the reason that we are still hearing this same ol' song and dance. These boaters nowadays can absolutely hamstring these non boaters, and it's a shame.
Ben said i was out fishing today and it showed gar, crappie, bass, etc but the doesn't make them bite 😂😂 BRO finding the fish is 75% of the battle imo. Just like how he acted like that was no big deal
How do you have two of my co's in your videos? lol. Rob is awesome! He caught a spotted bass for me mid air boat flipping a glide at Smith! Bear hugged it!
It’s true caught smallie that way Boater had one on I reeled in left my tube in the water bout 10’ went up netted his fish then went back to my rod and I had one on. He had brought the school to the boat. I go w shaky head drop shot and c rig try to fish different stuff than my boater for the most part or opposite things if he going moving baits I’ll drag or go slow alot of times and Vice Versa. Sometimes I’ll throw the same thing if that’s what they’re biting on across but most of the time it’s gonna be different than what my boater’s throwing even if it’s a small difference
Good afternoon MB, I've been on both sides of that aisle, an hadn't always been good! But quickly learned I am on a strangers boat who may are may not want you there, so i didn't complain, i was just along for the ride. So i stopped fishing aba an stuck with the club seen till i found a partner to fish team tournaments. Later purchased my own boat and never looked back!
Great advice. Going to be fishing 3 BFL's and 1 Toyota Series events in Florida this winter. Will have a C Rig ready. Luckily there is lots of water to fish that is shallow. Love the podcasts.
As a bfl co-angler in Arkansas fishing behind scopers, Ben is absolutely right about the c-rig. Best finishes I’ve had to date have all come on the c-rig when I’ve drawn a spotlighter.
I don’t usually have a big problem with getting hung up. You’ve got to remember the boat is going to let you make a mental image of the area you can fish mainly because it did or didn’t hit anything. I fish with all kinds of lures but mainly weedless soft plastics as well.
Here’s my deal with being a co angler. I’ve only been doing it the past 3 years and I have yet to fish behind someone with FFS because I seem to draw folks fishing shallow and it’s pretty much useless in the situations I’ve been in. I think the strategy I use gives me an advantage and so far I’ve out fished every boater I’ve fished with and one of them had a 2nd place finish but I boated as many fish as they did and jumped out on all of them pretty big. The strategy I actually learned by fishing with my wife. She’d go fishing with me and set at the console reading a book and dragging a Texas rigged worm BEHIND the boat and just put major butt kickings on me, often getting a 5 to 1 advantage on me. When I’m coangling I’m fishing either directly behind the boat or off the rear corners of boat in the deepest water available, 5 to 10 foot range mostly. A C-rig, Texas rig, a square bill, finesse rig, top water, or medium diving crankbait. I think this strategy will work just fine fishing behind FFS. I’ve also heard of a guy that is doing the same thing I do he just does it with a Senko most of the time and places high a lot……
Sorry, but this does not make sense, why the bass would not be spooked by passing huge 20-21ft boat? I always thought fishing untouched water is the best vs go behind somebody, this applies to be a co-angler or be in another boat. How far do you cast behind the boat?
@@WarEagleTheBest a normal cast, nothing more. My thinking is the fish push out and away in front of the boat and then pull back in behind it just like animals do when you approach them in a vehicle on a road or highway.
@@ogles824 Maybe bass gets disturbed and it also make the bait fish running, and that causing them to bite. How do you deal with snags and your pro? Are they willing to turn around every time and help you get the rig out? When I fished a co-angler, it was so frustrating, most of them did not want to go back and get my expensive jerkbaits, crankbaits out (OSP, Megabass, Deps). I could loose more in lures value vs that idiot get as a payout at club tournament, usually $25-50 or so.
As someone who uses FFS (for fun fishing) and but also enters tournaments as a co-angler, I think the suggestion of fishing the bottom with finesse baits in open water 15+ feet deep from the back of the boat would only work in specific situations where there is little to no wind or the boat is Spotlocked - while also having a multitude of targets all around the boat. If the pro angler in a tournament is in true 'scope mode' and constantly moving around scanning for fish, or is throwing at specific fish and/or isolated targets in front of the boat, this finesse bottom fishing technique would be virtually useless to me as a co-angler (a finesse bait would have a hard time hitting bottom with a moving boat or with any kind of decent wind). I personally wouldn't see this as a practical solution for most offshore Livescope situations as a non-boater.
I agree, the technique that was suggested that a coangler would use when a boater is stationary fishing a brushpile for example wouldn't work well if the boater is targeting fish that are following bait balls. What suggestion would you make to a coangler in the scenario you are explaining?
Unfortunately, if the boat is moving and there is any kind of wind, a lighter finesse bait wouldn't be able to work the bottom with any effectiveness in my opinion...which would suggest choosing either a heavier bait to fish the bottom (which may or may not work for neutral or finicky bass) or fancasting with moving baits in hopes of a reaction strike. If the pro angler is actively livescoping in offshore water 15+ft. deep in typical conditions, I don't believe there's much coanglers can do unless the fish are suspended or bottom-hugging bass are highly active. Counting down a small swimbait and keeping it level throughout the retrieve is not easy, either. Without seeing on scope, an angler will never know if his bait is sinking, swimming level, or rising on it's way back to the boat using countdown methods. This is another hard ask from coanglers in my opinion. Thanks @@MoneyBass
Be a co-angler in stranger boat already a tough scenario, fishing behind pro targeting fish with FFS you gotta be absolutely lucky that day to catch a limit. I only can see it's possible if schools are roaming and you cast a walking bait, buzzbait, or whopper plopper. I would never be a co-angler, if the pro is fishing for money or a bass opens, because they would totally concentrate on a result, local bass club could be a different story.
I predict three things for the future of LiveScope. 1st I think boats will have LiveScope in the back deck of the boat too. 2nd AI technology. I think AI will use information from LiveScope and give the angler pointers 3rd I think triangulation technology will be added. This will show the anglers where the fish is in relation to the cone angle.
Why not just invent a robotic lure that swims down by itself with a camera attached & GPS attachment to it & all the fisherman has do is just drop it off the side of the boat with no rod & reel needed & the lure just swims around the lake until it finds the biggest bass in the lake & it hooks the bass & Floats it to the top & all the angler has to do is just drive over to the waypoint all day & scoop it up & put it in the livewell , that way you don't even have to fish at all ~ then haul ass to the weigh ~ in ... no different than livescoping & sounds like that's where bass fishing is headed as a sport
I haven't really heard many people offer suggestions on assisting coanglers that are looking to get better in ffs situations. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
@@MoneyBass there is no real new answer yet for it , i belive thats why no one is talking about it , the video ben did are the same suggestions and logic that ive heard for almost 30 years , its simple if the fish are spread out you can pick one up here and there , if the school is on one tree ect. You are gona have a tuff day , thats why ive alway s said this sport is best done by your self in a tournament platform , love the show 😊😊
@@jakelightford3740 it kind of seems like the coangler position will begin to be eliminated in higher end tournaments unless it is a team format. Thanks!
They ain't gonna eliminate the non boater and lose the revenue it brings from entry fees to motels and ABNB to restaurants its all in their plan when they propose the tournament to the host city for a bid
FFS is the main reason I quit fishing non team tournaments as a Co angler. I qualified for a BASS Nation regional and I was paired with a boater that used FFS off shore all day and essentially back boated me all day so I learned just to fan cast off the back of the boat trying for roaming fish. It definitely makes it tougher for Co anglers to find fish with a limited target area.
He's rite,I've dun ok dragging a carolina rig straight out the back
Im just glad i dont fish these types of tournaments anymore. These boaters feel so much more entitled than we used to as boaters where we shared the boat and the fish. The associations are the reason that we are still hearing this same ol' song and dance. These boaters nowadays can absolutely hamstring these non boaters, and it's a shame.
Ben said i was out fishing today and it showed gar, crappie, bass, etc but the doesn't make them bite 😂😂 BRO finding the fish is 75% of the battle imo. Just like how he acted like that was no big deal
I wouldn't be a non boater nowadays, it's a waste of time
How do you have two of my co's in your videos? lol. Rob is awesome! He caught a spotted bass for me mid air boat flipping a glide at Smith! Bear hugged it!
Lol, that's cool! Small world.
Knowledge !!!
I think he gave some good tips. Thanks for watching.
It’s true caught smallie that way Boater had one on I reeled in left my tube in the water bout 10’ went up netted his fish then went back to my rod and I had one on. He had brought the school to the boat. I go w shaky head drop shot and c rig try to fish different stuff than my boater for the most part or opposite things if he going moving baits I’ll drag or go slow alot of times and Vice Versa. Sometimes I’ll throw the same thing if that’s what they’re biting on across but most of the time it’s gonna be different than what my boater’s throwing even if it’s a small difference
Good afternoon MB, I've been on both sides of that aisle, an hadn't always been good! But quickly learned I am on a strangers boat who may are may not want you there, so i didn't complain, i was just along for the ride. So i stopped fishing aba an stuck with the club seen till i found a partner to fish team tournaments. Later purchased my own boat and never looked back!
Natural progression, I pretty much did the same thing. Thanks for watching.
Great advice. Going to be fishing 3 BFL's and 1 Toyota Series events in Florida this winter. Will have a C Rig ready. Luckily there is lots of water to fish that is shallow. Love the podcasts.
I'd rather watch Money try to learn the FG knot or try to catch a spotted bass on FFS than see another clip of Milliken
Lol, how about both? 😎
I figure you can learn to tie an FG eventually but them spots got your number bro they are elusive creatures to Moneybass 😆 🤣
As a bfl co-angler in Arkansas fishing behind scopers, Ben is absolutely right about the c-rig. Best finishes I’ve had to date have all come on the c-rig when I’ve drawn a spotlighter.
Carolina works every where
I don’t usually have a big problem with getting hung up. You’ve got to remember the boat is going to let you make a mental image of the area you can fish mainly because it did or didn’t hit anything. I fish with all kinds of lures but mainly weedless soft plastics as well.
Here’s my deal with being a co angler. I’ve only been doing it the past 3 years and I have yet to fish behind someone with FFS because I seem to draw folks fishing shallow and it’s pretty much useless in the situations I’ve been in. I think the strategy I use gives me an advantage and so far I’ve out fished every boater I’ve fished with and one of them had a 2nd place finish but I boated as many fish as they did and jumped out on all of them pretty big. The strategy I actually learned by fishing with my wife. She’d go fishing with me and set at the console reading a book and dragging a Texas rigged worm BEHIND the boat and just put major butt kickings on me, often getting a 5 to 1 advantage on me. When I’m coangling I’m fishing either directly behind the boat or off the rear corners of boat in the deepest water available, 5 to 10 foot range mostly. A C-rig, Texas rig, a square bill, finesse rig, top water, or medium diving crankbait. I think this strategy will work just fine fishing behind FFS. I’ve also heard of a guy that is doing the same thing I do he just does it with a Senko most of the time and places high a lot……
Great info. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
Sorry, but this does not make sense, why the bass would not be spooked by passing huge 20-21ft boat? I always thought fishing untouched water is the best vs go behind somebody, this applies to be a co-angler or be in another boat. How far do you cast behind the boat?
@@WarEagleTheBest a normal cast, nothing more. My thinking is the fish push out and away in front of the boat and then pull back in behind it just like animals do when you approach them in a vehicle on a road or highway.
@@ogles824 Maybe bass gets disturbed and it also make the bait fish running, and that causing them to bite. How do you deal with snags and your pro? Are they willing to turn around every time and help you get the rig out? When I fished a co-angler, it was so frustrating, most of them did not want to go back and get my expensive jerkbaits, crankbaits out (OSP, Megabass, Deps). I could loose more in lures value vs that idiot get as a payout at club tournament, usually $25-50 or so.
As someone who uses FFS (for fun fishing) and but also enters tournaments as a co-angler, I think the suggestion of fishing the bottom with finesse baits in open water 15+ feet deep from the back of the boat would only work in specific situations where there is little to no wind or the boat is Spotlocked - while also having a multitude of targets all around the boat. If the pro angler in a tournament is in true 'scope mode' and constantly moving around scanning for fish, or is throwing at specific fish and/or isolated targets in front of the boat, this finesse bottom fishing technique would be virtually useless to me as a co-angler (a finesse bait would have a hard time hitting bottom with a moving boat or with any kind of decent wind). I personally wouldn't see this as a practical solution for most offshore Livescope situations as a non-boater.
I agree, the technique that was suggested that a coangler would use when a boater is stationary fishing a brushpile for example wouldn't work well if the boater is targeting fish that are following bait balls. What suggestion would you make to a coangler in the scenario you are explaining?
Unfortunately, if the boat is moving and there is any kind of wind, a lighter finesse bait wouldn't be able to work the bottom with any effectiveness in my opinion...which would suggest choosing either a heavier bait to fish the bottom (which may or may not work for neutral or finicky bass) or fancasting with moving baits in hopes of a reaction strike. If the pro angler is actively livescoping in offshore water 15+ft. deep in typical conditions, I don't believe there's much coanglers can do unless the fish are suspended or bottom-hugging bass are highly active. Counting down a small swimbait and keeping it level throughout the retrieve is not easy, either. Without seeing on scope, an angler will never know if his bait is sinking, swimming level, or rising on it's way back to the boat using countdown methods. This is another hard ask from coanglers in my opinion. Thanks @@MoneyBass
Be a co-angler in stranger boat already a tough scenario, fishing behind pro targeting fish with FFS you gotta be absolutely lucky that day to catch a limit. I only can see it's possible if schools are roaming and you cast a walking bait, buzzbait, or whopper plopper. I would never be a co-angler, if the pro is fishing for money or a bass opens, because they would totally concentrate on a result, local bass club could be a different story.
I predict three things for the future of LiveScope. 1st I think boats will have LiveScope in the back deck of the boat too. 2nd AI technology. I think AI will use information from LiveScope and give the angler pointers 3rd I think triangulation technology will be added. This will show the anglers where the fish is in relation to the cone angle.
Sounds about right lol.
Why not just invent a robotic lure that swims down by itself with a camera attached & GPS attachment to it & all the fisherman has do is just drop it off the side of the boat with no rod & reel needed & the lure just swims around the lake until it finds the biggest bass in the lake & it hooks the bass & Floats it to the top & all the angler has to do is just drive over to the waypoint all day & scoop it up & put it in the livewell , that way you don't even have to fish at all ~ then haul ass to the weigh ~ in ... no different than livescoping & sounds like that's where bass fishing is headed as a sport
@@adamsnelson4689 lol, a robotic lure that hooks fish = livescope 👀. I've seen baterry operated swimbaits.
He’ll I’ve gotten screwed by boaters long before FFS was ever around !!
Not go to tournaments until they stop this bs
Any one else getting sick of this topic I think it has run its course
Yes SICK of hearing about FFS its here its not going anywhere and only gonna get better move on next topic already !!!
I haven't really heard many people offer suggestions on assisting coanglers that are looking to get better in ffs situations. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
@@MoneyBass there is no real new answer yet for it , i belive thats why no one is talking about it , the video ben did are the same suggestions and logic that ive heard for almost 30 years , its simple if the fish are spread out you can pick one up here and there , if the school is on one tree ect. You are gona have a tuff day , thats why ive alway s said this sport is best done by your self in a tournament platform , love the show 😊😊
@@jakelightford3740 it kind of seems like the coangler position will begin to be eliminated in higher end tournaments unless it is a team format. Thanks!
They ain't gonna eliminate the non boater and lose the revenue it brings from entry fees to motels and ABNB to restaurants its all in their plan when they propose the tournament to the host city for a bid
Yeah the first is stay in back and shut up lol
Lol, I think I've heard that tip before. 😁
SICK of hearing about about the pissing moaning and whining from folks about about FFS its here not going anywhere and only gonna get better !!!