Having followed the channel for a few years now it's kind of wild that we're seeing these tiny PCs that are able to handle PSP, Gamecube, and PS2 at higher resolutions. I remember just a few years ago some of these mini PC at time weren't even able to play Sega Saturn games perfectly. It'll be interesting in the next few years to see this form factor start to handle Xbox 360 and PS3 games.
Ryzen 7840U can play Switch, PS3, and Xbox 360 games pretty well. Its price point is $500 and upward though. Better buy a modded Switch, a PS3 Super Slim with hen, and chipped Xbox 360.
@@main_tak_becus6689 Oh, sure. I know that there are chips that can do it. And when the next generation of APUs come out I'm planning on building an emulation box with one. I just think that it's impressive how far these low cost tiny PCs have come in a few years.
@@benallen7403 it's really amazing in the last few years x86 handhelds and mini PC with great performance pop up. I'm inclined to handhelds though, but the battery life is still not there. For now I'm happy with my Switch OLED and PS Vita. Let's hope with the third player entering PC space, Qualcomm, the mini PC will get more competitive.
I really want an ITX board like those N100 models with the N305. Only 9 PCIe lanes still, but even if the main slot has to be stuck at x4, it would open up a lot of options as a pretty strong little low-power system.
ETA Prime, thank you for such reviews. Thanks to you, today I bought a mini PC with an N100 processor for my friend. He was very satisfied. By the way, I tried playing a video on TH-cam called Tokyo 8k, I activated 8k resolution, and you know, the video played quite well! Of course, there were drops (100 drops per 1000 frames), but I consider it a great result for such a small cheap computer.
Thank you for reviewing the N300 like this. Of course, the performance is lower than the Ryzen mini pc, but I think it's a huge technology considering that it's 7.5x7.5x5cm in size. The Ryzen mini pc is still about 1.8 to 2 times larger than this pc in width and length.
Now we need one of those things with single cable operation, like one Type C Cable with 90W PD from a monitor with everything in it. Screen, keyboard and mouse and ethernet plugged into its usb hub and everything else is Type C to such a box
Agreed. The lack of USB4 on these little PCs is really hurting the appeal for me. The cpu does have enough PCIe lanes so i don't know what the deal is.
@@LuminousSpace That is because USB 4 does not support dual monitor output. Furthermore, if you're using a card that can saturate the 32Gbps+ 4 Lane PCI-E interface, not only are you expecting more out of a mobile i3 than your situation demands, but you are using too powerful of a GPU for the system to utilise anyway.
@@LuminousSpace oculink should become a standard must-have on many mini pcs and notebooks...even if a notebook runs a 2 core 4 thread cpu, an oculink for some gpu that's better than a intel uhd would do a great difference...
Can we all be alittle more honest here , I love the content from ETA, however there's so many videos of mini pc reviews from you that I don't really get the sense of what to buy. I'd have to go through each and every review which isn't ideal.. have you done a top ten 10 before? could you do one in the future?
Amazing. I think I need one of these as my living room TV PC! I don't suppose you've ever heard of the Zotac Magnus series of mini PC's? They're sort of like the Dell/Lenovo/HP mini office PC's, except they're packing like, RTX 4070's, etc. I have the older model with a 1070 in it, and it's fantastic! I'd love to see you cover some of the new ones though!
I wouldn't be as optimistic as you seem to be, seeing as they force us to use the more expensive NVME drives, and the 2242 version, yet more expensive, with no 2.5 SATA option.
Please ad in future some AI tests for such small devices...! I mean LLM's get more and more important at this time, and such little devices has for sure the potential to run LLM's locally without internet connection on it!!! Faraday and GPT4free are perfect for such tests and benchmarks... =)!!!
Not really, these small machines don’t have any full sized PCIe, eGPU is your only option. If you want something better GPU wise you could look at the machines with AMD APUs with Radeon graphics.
@@paradoxmo I still wonder why theres no "empty" eGPU where you can slot a regular GPU in and use it as an external. This idea seems like a money printing machine to me
@@joypad8979 sure, they have that, look up One Dock oculink dock for one solution, there are a few on the market though since they are very niche they are a bit hard to get. Or google “oculink eGPU dock”
so does anyone know if the N series supports dual channel ram yet or no? cause that's really the only reason not to get one, but as someone who owns an N100 running linux its a perfect little machine for web and really lite duty, this n300 seems pretty well rounded for what it is and would be a great little carry around pc imo.
The entire Alder Lake-N series is single-channel. There is only one controller on the die to save space and they don't really have enough CPU power to saturate it anyways, but I understand the dissapintment. Intel's ark page lists 16GB max, but I've seen these run 48GB SODIMMs just fine.
Def interested in some virt on the other (opn-sense VM plus containers/apps)... if ur already goin' that way. Quite interested in seeing power draw if used as VM/container server WITH a Neon desktop in the mix -- and, how that desktop behaves for streaming video.
This is beating the 1135G7 in Geekbench multi-core. 1135G7 does 1600 single -core and 4545 multi-core. N300 does 1260 single-core and 4971 multi-core. N305 does 1340 single-core and 5355 multi-core. GPU Vulkan scores about 6750 for both N300 and N305 while the 1135G7 does about 14400 in the same test. GPU is definately lacking in comparison but on the CPU front it's quite close.
Hello everyone! Can anyone recommend a mini pc and some videos related to setup for a hifi music streamer and storage retrieval rig? I am a novice and currently use a wiim pro+
great different geekbench versions as a "benchmark test" thats how you can fake the results whats the point on that ? 6.0.3 on the n300 and 6.3.0 on the n200?
I think these low end graphics can handle skyrim at 1080p at 60 way better then low, mixed settings is the way to go, cause not all the settings tanks the gpu, so in the end u can get lets say quite nice looking and performing game, just by changing some intensive settings but if u dont know what u doing, its better to use the presets, anyway a few off and on the settings or lowering and increasing also can help to play around if u dont know what some of the settings do. In other words i bet many of those PC games could run way better just by changing only few demanding settings and games can run better. At least i think so. I havent tested pcs like that maybe presets is the way to go with these. I doubt it but i can be wrong.
As much as I hate dealing with the company, Asus has an interesting little tablet with these chips. Pretty solid battery life on mine at least. I mostly use it as a Parsec streaming device back to my desktop, but it's competent enough on its own too.
Yeah if this was like $150 lower, it's be much more interesting. My N305 tablet outpaces this little guy, and included the keyboard, display, battery, and stylus for about the same price.
Totally agree. For less than 300€ you get a r5 5500u or 5600u that is a better mini pc on the CPU+GPU side. They are great for emu and light gaming. The only difference would be the power consumption, this run at the 30w range, this N300 is more at the 20w range.
Intel makes like a million cpu skews so theres a cpu for basically any type of system out there so it's easier to get an intel cpu for a mini pc as far as I'm aware this information is like 5 years old
Have you not seen any of his other videos? This is one of like 3 videos I’ve seen with intel. Feel free to scroll through his backlog, mini PCs running AMD are super common because of the solid performance with integrated graphics.
More than twice the price of an equivalent N100 but not more than double the performance. So for the price, not for me. The power draw figures are impressive though.
But this is Intel chip. it has 10nm gates and is as advanced as Amd a12 which is it's technological counterpart when it comes to it's transistor size. Intel N series chips based of Ecores of Intel core gen 12 and older is matching chip from AMD released around 2017 that ran on 65w. for this... Intel represents technological marvell of making their chips made on 4y old obsolete manufacturing process compete with latest tech from AMD while exploding or melting only half the time-(intel 13-14 gen oxidation and die crackign we have now.) intel is so bad it's funny but they do fenomenal job when it comes to designing their microcode and architectures.
Having followed the channel for a few years now it's kind of wild that we're seeing these tiny PCs that are able to handle PSP, Gamecube, and PS2 at higher resolutions. I remember just a few years ago some of these mini PC at time weren't even able to play Sega Saturn games perfectly. It'll be interesting in the next few years to see this form factor start to handle Xbox 360 and PS3 games.
Ryzen 7840U can play Switch, PS3, and Xbox 360 games pretty well. Its price point is $500 and upward though. Better buy a modded Switch, a PS3 Super Slim with hen, and chipped Xbox 360.
@@main_tak_becus6689 Oh, sure. I know that there are chips that can do it. And when the next generation of APUs come out I'm planning on building an emulation box with one. I just think that it's impressive how far these low cost tiny PCs have come in a few years.
@@benallen7403 it's really amazing in the last few years x86 handhelds and mini PC with great performance pop up. I'm inclined to handhelds though, but the battery life is still not there. For now I'm happy with my Switch OLED and PS Vita. Let's hope with the third player entering PC space, Qualcomm, the mini PC will get more competitive.
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really wish they would build more mini PCs with the N305 with it's higher all core boost
I really want an ITX board like those N100 models with the N305. Only 9 PCIe lanes still, but even if the main slot has to be stuck at x4, it would open up a lot of options as a pretty strong little low-power system.
@@DigitalJedi yep...for example rx6400 uses x4...and it is a tiny beast...
With oculink / thunderbolt or something...
305再加一个显示屏，一手掌握？有吗，diy是否可行？
ETA Prime, thank you for such reviews. Thanks to you, today I bought a mini PC with an N100 processor for my friend. He was very satisfied.
By the way, I tried playing a video on TH-cam called Tokyo 8k, I activated 8k resolution, and you know, the video played quite well! Of course, there were drops (100 drops per 1000 frames), but I consider it a great result for such a small cheap computer.
Thank you for reviewing the N300 like this. Of course, the performance is lower than the Ryzen mini pc, but I think it's a huge technology considering that it's 7.5x7.5x5cm in size. The Ryzen mini pc is still about 1.8 to 2 times larger than this pc in width and length.
Liking the build quality.
Now we need one of those things with single cable operation, like one Type C Cable with 90W PD from a monitor with everything in it. Screen, keyboard and mouse and ethernet plugged into its usb hub and everything else is Type C to such a box
A USB 4 port on one of these would have made for a really adequate gaming system
usb not that good especially multi monitor... its laggy, need oculink
Agreed. The lack of USB4 on these little PCs is really hurting the appeal for me. The cpu does have enough PCIe lanes so i don't know what the deal is.
@@LuminousSpace That is because USB 4 does not support dual monitor output.
Furthermore, if you're using a card that can saturate the 32Gbps+ 4 Lane PCI-E interface, not only are you expecting more out of a mobile i3 than your situation demands, but you are using too powerful of a GPU for the system to utilise anyway.
Yhea
@@LuminousSpace oculink should become a standard must-have on many mini pcs and notebooks...even if a notebook runs a 2 core 4 thread cpu, an oculink for some gpu that's better than a intel uhd would do a great difference...
Be interested to see the 4 port Ethernet version as a router
just connect it to a switch for like 20 bucks
would make a cool hypervisor with proxmox
Patrick from ServeTheHome reviewed the 4x 2.5 GbE port version of this (the R2 Pro).
same here...
You mean like a router you can buy for $100? Have you ever wiped the OS on an old router using linux?
Lovely little computer. Would be nice for the TV in the living room.
Fits right in the palm of ETAs enormous hand
4:55 dang 5/13 in the bios, turnaround on these videos is pretty quick
Can we all be alittle more honest here , I love the content from ETA, however there's so many videos of mini pc reviews from you that I don't really get the sense of what to buy. I'd have to go through each and every review which isn't ideal.. have you done a top ten 10 before? could you do one in the future?
i would love to see this with egpu even n95 looks good
Amazing. I think I need one of these as my living room TV PC!
I don't suppose you've ever heard of the Zotac Magnus series of mini PC's? They're sort of like the Dell/Lenovo/HP mini office PC's, except they're packing like, RTX 4070's, etc.
I have the older model with a 1070 in it, and it's fantastic!
I'd love to see you cover some of the new ones though!
I'm super curious about using one of these as a music server streamer. Any suggestions? I know very little about this stuff
$469 for either the R2 Pro or the R2 NUC with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD.
It isn't cheap.
The quality of this channel has dropped quite a bit.
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It's the same formula.
i just checked also its 650 CAD maxed
I heard R2 NUT, and I was like "Noice".
Definitely interested in the Linux build.
This is amazing.. Incredible engineering
I wouldn't be as optimistic as you seem to be, seeing as they force us to use the more expensive NVME drives, and the 2242 version, yet more expensive, with no 2.5 SATA option.
Looks incredible! When will you have the R2 Pro with linux video?
you're videos are super cool, thank you for sharing..KEEP ROCK
At the price for this thing, we are now in AMD 7000 territory and we'd get much better performance with slightly more wattage.
Excellent review.this seems like a real little gem.
Please ad in future some AI tests for such small devices...! I mean LLM's get more and more important at this time, and such little devices has for sure the potential to run LLM's locally without internet connection on it!!! Faraday and GPT4free are perfect for such tests and benchmarks... =)!!!
Did I miss him mentioning anything about fan noise?
The price seems a bit steep ($400 on their website for N300+16+128).
Yep, you can get a Ryzen 7 based system for less than
Loving the tiny pcs. I wonder if Miniforum is going to jump in at some point. lols
Totally off topic I know but will you be reviewing the new onn 4k box from Walmart?
Looking forward to see linux on it. Mint works so well on these Nxxx machines.
I wonder if there's a decent way to upgrade these small units with a regular GPU (not eGPU)
Not really, these small machines don’t have any full sized PCIe, eGPU is your only option. If you want something better GPU wise you could look at the machines with AMD APUs with Radeon graphics.
@@paradoxmo I still wonder why theres no "empty" eGPU where you can slot a regular GPU in and use it as an external. This idea seems like a money printing machine to me
@@joypad8979 sure, they have that, look up One Dock oculink dock for one solution, there are a few on the market though since they are very niche they are a bit hard to get. Or google “oculink eGPU dock”
great stuff :)
I would love to see Manjaro and specially Linux MInt Devian Edition on this machine.
The N300 version is currently sold out (May 2024).
would this be decent for recording music/guitars?
Hey nice video! as a proyect can you try to make a cluster with this two miniPcs?
Would be cool to see this thing running OPNsense or similar.
Amazon says Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.
Waiting for zen 5 mini pcs
so does anyone know if the N series supports dual channel ram yet or no? cause that's really the only reason not to get one, but as someone who owns an N100 running linux its a perfect little machine for web and really lite duty, this n300 seems pretty well rounded for what it is and would be a great little carry around pc imo.
The entire Alder Lake-N series is single-channel. There is only one controller on the die to save space and they don't really have enough CPU power to saturate it anyways, but I understand the dissapintment. Intel's ark page lists 16GB max, but I've seen these run 48GB SODIMMs just fine.
Def interested in some virt on the other (opn-sense VM plus containers/apps)... if ur already goin' that way.
Quite interested in seeing power draw if used as VM/container server WITH a Neon desktop in the mix -- and, how that desktop behaves for streaming video.
Why a 2TB disk limit? Where does that come from?
i wonder if this thing will run even better on the atlas os deblater
Can a thunderbolt monitor be used with this?
Great ! But I need just a little bit more power like a 1135G7 is awesome !
This is beating the 1135G7 in Geekbench multi-core. 1135G7 does 1600 single -core and 4545 multi-core. N300 does 1260 single-core and 4971 multi-core. N305 does 1340 single-core and 5355 multi-core.
GPU Vulkan scores about 6750 for both N300 and N305 while the 1135G7 does about 14400 in the same test. GPU is definately lacking in comparison but on the CPU front it's quite close.
@@DigitalJedi are you sure? And in graphic? Because 1135g7 has 80 in igpu and fortnite runs good at 2k resolution screen.
Any physical heat with turbo on while streaming 4k vids and web browsing ?
You should START always testing Linux Mint MATE with Compiz as standard on all your videos concerning PC's
What about the heating issue with these mini pc?
Memo S2 telescopic controller review please
It's so cute! i want to mill out some holes for an oled touch panel and some blinking rgb leds and it will be perfec does it have a i2c header? o.o
how's the fan noise?
Hello everyone! Can anyone recommend a mini pc and some videos related to setup for a hifi music streamer and storage retrieval rig? I am a novice and currently use a wiim pro+
Ain't cheap. Decked out like the test they seem just shy of $500.
How do you go about installing Windows on something like that. Does it come on a USB thumb drive.
The USBs are the first thing you see when the opens it up lol
Great Job 👍🏽
Whats a good buy for a 100 USD regarding miniPCs / SBCs?
Do you think GTAV 5 will run ok on this? 60FPS wise
Interesting the n300 vs n305 (same CPU, just different TDP).
Full Metal Jacket
It's funny the N100 performs better than the i3-N300 in signal core performance.
That’s wild🔥🔥🔥
20W is possible to cool fanless.
great different geekbench versions as a "benchmark test" thats how you can fake the results whats the point on that ? 6.0.3 on the n300 and 6.3.0 on the n200?
............. product keys for windows .......... needs to be updated for windows 11
since windows 10 comes to an end October next year
The website looks like scam IMO
It's great video 😮
I've never heard of Ooobesoft
I would like to see Xbox 360 or PS3 performance on this.
I think these low end graphics can handle skyrim at 1080p at 60 way better then low, mixed settings is the way to go, cause not all the settings tanks the gpu, so in the end u can get lets say quite nice looking and performing game, just by changing some intensive settings
but if u dont know what u doing, its better to use the presets, anyway a few off and on the settings or lowering and increasing also can help to play around if u dont know what some of the settings do. In other words i bet many of those PC games could run way better just by changing only few demanding settings and games can run better.
At least i think so. I havent tested pcs like that maybe presets is the way to go with these. I doubt it but i can be wrong.
Really liking this chip from Intel! Honestly, it's the only interesting CPUs they make now a day, their desktops are just a bore.
As much as I hate dealing with the company, Asus has an interesting little tablet with these chips. Pretty solid battery life on mine at least. I mostly use it as a Parsec streaming device back to my desktop, but it's competent enough on its own too.
the pro version is too powerfull for just 4 2.5gb router ! install a hyperviser and passthrough that would be more interesting
And another product that we never will see in shelfs to buy
Shows how much you pay attention. It's for sale and you can buy now on their website.
nice performance but NOT a cheap option at all lol
Blackview MP80 N97 16gb ddr5 500gb sata ssd win11pro $150 amazon >
I miss your intro.
for this price it's better to buy something with ryzen
Yeah if this was like $150 lower, it's be much more interesting. My N305 tablet outpaces this little guy, and included the keyboard, display, battery, and stylus for about the same price.
Totally agree. For less than 300€ you get a r5 5500u or 5600u that is a better mini pc on the CPU+GPU side. They are great for emu and light gaming. The only difference would be the power consumption, this run at the 30w range, this N300 is more at the 20w range.
Hey guys, I am looking for a mini PC which has a USB-C power delivery. I would prefer a AMD chip
Me if I had money:
And why do all these things you review have Intel rather than AMD.
Intel makes like a million cpu skews so theres a cpu for basically any type of system out there so it's easier to get an intel cpu for a mini pc as far as I'm aware this information is like 5 years old
He reviewed so many amd mini pcs. Look his older videos.
Back track 3 years from his videos, you'll find a lot of AMD mini PCs there.
Have you not seen any of his other videos?
This is one of like 3 videos I’ve seen with intel. Feel free to scroll through his backlog, mini PCs running AMD are super common because of the solid performance with integrated graphics.
Intel does better low power chips.
More than twice the price of an equivalent N100 but not more than double the performance. So for the price, not for me. The power draw figures are impressive though.
4 ports version with proxmox :)
I thought NUC brand is patented by Intel (transfered to Asus since end of 2023)
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Please don't use that food video again - had to go to the fridge again 😂
Where cyberpunk?)
Linux router please.
Another showcase of really cool tech that's too expensive for the average person
This thing is only like $300
The one with the i3 & 16 gb is $379.
The 5700U is still twice faster and cheaper.
But this is Intel chip. it has 10nm gates and is as advanced as Amd a12 which is it's technological counterpart when it comes to it's transistor size. Intel N series chips based of Ecores of Intel core gen 12 and older is matching chip from AMD released around 2017 that ran on 65w.
for this... Intel represents technological marvell of making their chips made on 4y old obsolete manufacturing process compete with latest tech from AMD while exploding or melting only half the time-(intel 13-14 gen oxidation and die crackign we have now.)
intel is so bad it's funny but they do fenomenal job when it comes to designing their microcode and architectures.
At that price buy a freaking used gaming laptop.
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Left 4 dead 2 stuttering after any half quick movement so i wouldnt exactly call it flawless hence the quick cut to gow 😂😂😂
please start including league of legends and cs go on these ssf pcs
Winbloat
L$D 😝
Shame it's Intel. Can't trust their cpus not to rust up you and melt after a few years :/
this kinda not fire
400 dollars garbage product
You didn't try Hogwarts Legacy on this machine, shame I would've liked to see how it handle the game
CSGO, League of legends?
No one cares
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