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- Germany has become the latest country to ban Chinese telecoms companies Huawei and ZTE from its 5G network - citing national security concerns. DW Business speaks with telecoms consultant John Strand and Paul Triolo, Partner for China and Technology Policy Lead at DGA Group about whether we are entering a new ‘cold war’ and what this could mean for the world.
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Microsoft is now a much bigger risk for the world's security and business continuity.
On the day Microsoft and CrowdStrike cripples global flights, hospitals, e commerce, etc, Germany is still worried about China. 😂
Double standard. Fb microsoft all the same
@@iggy5347 no double standard. MS, FB, etc are spying on you to monetize you. Chinese companies spy for geopolitical/corporate espionage. big difference.
YUP! Cringe and funny at the same time.
You should be worried about both. Use Finnish products Linux for OS and Nokia for networking.
Germany have a knacks of picking the wrong side of history, always 😅
Huawei already about to start rollout of 6G & 7G under development…. West still scratching their heads
Like the "Made in China" chips that supposedly circumvented US sanctions?
Did you know they're Taiwanese chips?
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus only a matter of time. Look at Germany car industry in a state of panic. The west has turned a blind eye on the long term goal of China in the interest of profit through China market access … now reap what the west has sowed. The west has pushed China into corner with its sanctions on chip technology…which will eventually lead to China having its own chip industry in time and they will speed blitz right past the west (who will be left behind scratching their heads)
china will diminish as it further falls into isolation. standardization and cooperation between the oecd is literally the reason the scientific revolution happened
@@derks0 how so when the non west nations form 80% of global trade & which these nations now actively in or in the process of joining BRICS…it’s the neoliberal west that is on the path of isolation
@@derks0 non west aligned nations make 80% of work trade… when they all join BRICS, the west and oecd (bunch of hypocrites). China will never forget what the west did to it (opium wars etc), India will never forget the loot and plunder Great Britain did to it nor will it forget the wests attempt to invade in 1947, Africa will not forget the oppression from the west (eg. By France), Venezuela will not forget the US sanctions, Chile will not forget what the CIA did, Iran will never forget the CIA overthrow of its democracy in the 1970s, the list goes on…clock is ticking and karma will have its time.
Clean network means US has full control over. 😂😂😂
DW typical as always. Microsoft messed up but Huawei is the focus.
Anyone still remember Snowden and all the neat stuff about the US survialance apperatus he showed us? If i remember correctly at that time the US had backdoors due to hardware sold to us here in most of our systems. US network card suppliers had a huge drop in customers straight afterwards and that too played a role why 5G by the Chinese was welcomed.
If we truelly would want secure infrastructure, we would need in the very least to design the infrastructure ourselves and then have companies like TSMC build us for us, then control the endproduct and then install it. Not just the hardware though, but the software, too.
It’s different. They are “allies”!
@@alko_xo Till they wouldn't be.
@@kinngrimm NATO is 3/4 of a century old. How long did you hold your breath waiting for members of NATO, not to be allies? Allies doesn't mean you have to agree on everything, just fundamental core values. And yes, Hungary and Turkey still agree on those values: For example, the leaders of Hungary and Turkey won't go so far as to sell out their own country's sovereignty.
@@willthecat3861Sovereignity is a fickel thing depending on how deep the pockets of the buyer and how small of a spine the soon to be corrupted would have. Doesn't always have to be the leader and the nation in whole to act against their own or an allies interest, to loose manouverability and by that then maybe also sovereignity.
There is plenty of room for sellouts not just in hungary or turkey but also all those EU nations that have given away rights to their ports.
History looking back on is long and unmoving, history in the making can change in a heartbeat. Lets f.e. what the next US elections would bring and suddenly an alliance could stand there without a leader.
@@alko_xo "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal" - HENRY KISSINGER, former US secretary of State.
EU is slowly waking up to this reality.. but they can't say or do about it anything openly.. because then that can be fatal. Therefore, EU will have to remain a group of vassals to be protect themselves form their own big ally.
Untill these days they still can’t find any so-called back door evidence in those equipments🙄
And that's obviously the real reason why the collective west want to ban their equipments.
Evident of how pro Huawei is in hiding it.
US: when I say the risk is there, then it's there. You're either with me or against me. Are you on my side of freedom or not?? 🤬
It is really about not having a US backdoor into your country if you you use a Chinese product. Chinese are predictable, they just want to make money and are not going to risk putting backdoors in their products. They know the US is scrutinizing them and would catch it.
@@Baz.007 while its proven US is spying on everyone, even Mekel at the time. Germany gave strong response, same as when nord stream
Countries using Windows OS affected worldwide except China.
There are no easy solutions. Recently there was a backdoor patch that was almost injected into some linux updates by russian FSB operatives. Open source is NOT safe also because few people have the will to check these things for free. I'm sure the chinese intelligence operatives are trying to do the same - or have already succeeded and we don't know it yet... and if china is using linux - how many CIA/NSA backdoors are there now?
False. China also uses Windows. They just pirate it more than anywhere else.
Microsoft have to pay lost business around $50 billions
@@iggy5347
Disclaimer .."Use at one's risk" 😁
@@iggy5347 That's not going to happen.
By the way, this John guy is from Denmark? I remember once Macron and Merkel's phones were both tapped by Denmark CIA at behest of US CIA.
@@mainStream-user To be fair no one is going to know the name a small country like Denmark's intelligence agency. I can't name Monaco or Montenegro's intelligence agency either.
Like how the CCP put listening devices in an African union building they built?
He may be working for America's CIA!
CIA accidentally pressed the stop button today?
The Texas Crowdstrike Company had to deal with still damaged Texas infrastructure after Hurricane Beryl?
@@ydne Just a bug and poor testing and rollout.
Crowdstrike and Microsoft turn it off for you for free
Global airport computer screens went green on July 19, 2024, causing masive delay and of course caused by Crowdstrike and Microsoft, so much security risks mention about Huawei and ZTE products on this video.
The gentleman on the right was lying when he said the US didn't press Europbe and the UK to abandon Huawei equipments. Anyone who paid a little bit attention to this issue over the past few years definitely knows.
Does Huawei have a kill switch AND backdoor sypware ? I don't think so, but most of the Western hardware and software makers have the kill switches and backdoor spyware, SUCH AS ASML, APPLE, MICROSOFT, TESLA AND THE LIST GO ON.
You “don’t think so” 😂
@@loddiecamomileparrot And I know so, ...because the Chinese metality dom't want and don't like to control other people , unlike the Anglo-Saxon and other white World. That why the American politicians forced its allies not to use Huawei equipment beside they are not allowed their companies and citizens not to use Huawei equipment and cellphones as well. IF YOU DON'T BELIVE ME, ASK EDWARD SNOWDEN. WELL, HE IS NOW HIDDING SOMEWHERE IN RUSSIA.
Huawei turned off comunications in Crimea two years ago. So no backdoor you say?
A lot of consumer devices modems, routers that Internet Service Providers installs at homes, businesses are Huawei / ZTE. Also, USA already use millions of these Huawei devices. By the way, Huawei , ZTE, Oppo and other Chinese companies had nearly %50 of all 5G patents.
I have huawei routers at home and the system is much more reliable than google WiFi. Way better
@@feicheng7022 I❤Huawei. I am using Huawei brand laptop, tablet, router, smart watch and cell phone. I also recommend Huawei switches, devices for infrastructure. They are cheap, reliable, usable.
We have Mikrotik and Nokia. Some older we used was Alcatel.
@@mdjey2 The leader of the 5G is China, it doesn't matter the brand of the device. China has the majority of the 5G patents.
One talks very aggressively and is very nervous, the other one is calm and explains everything in detail. By common sense, who would you trust?
That aggressive one also keeps bring up his company and clients somehow.
So, using US companies’ tech is safer?
Ask German government, they knew it better
than anyone else.
Yes 100% reliance in American companies like CloudStrike 😂
Europe is Doomed 😂
Europe is an American colony 😂
EU is falling apart anyways.
US can cripple Airbus to bury with Boeing
@@hermesliteratus882 EU is not falling anywhere. Maybe America is falling, but Europe is in decent shape.
Perfect timing for this video. But today’s problem is Microsoft’s problem.
After Boeing , Microsoft turn ? ?
Apple next ?
And Tesla as well.
Microsoft is not the bad guy.
Yeah, wishful thinking… you would die without American technology 🤣🤣🤣
Dont use Huawei, use microsoft, it turn off your network today. LOL.
not in China. CPP makes sure of that for you. Be humble and grateful, and let Chinese government think for you. Less work, and less stress too.
@@willthecat3861if they use CrowdStrike they it will.. And no personal widows did not effected because they don't use CrowdStrike..
@willthecat3861
Yes, we'll tell our vassals, slaves and colonies what to do, so you do not need to think. MAGA.
@@waynegore5291 Great! Since that will be the policy, all we will need to do, is follow the MAGA examples, about 'thinking'... such as it is.
Is Huawei a greater danger than Windows?
US 4g is known to have backdoor hacking EU leaders. But not huawei 5g.
The Chinese Technology is too advanced for the western world... Have forgotten what Edward Snowden said?:
Such a genius "expert", no wonder how EU got in today's situation🤣🤣🤣
What does this even mean?
@@fandyllic1975- It means you are too slow… you Euros need to get smarter…
@@AftonAdams no, it means that neither of you understand technological infiltration.
Even the Pentagon has an exemption from the bill to remove Huawei. If it is safe enough for the Pentagon then it is safe.
Deep 😂
The answer is yes, telecommunications has, it is and it will be hacked.
Information is valuable
As the USA trough NSA spied on Germany
@@dltn42 yes, one of the many examples
4g is known to have backdoor but not huawei 5g.
@@TheKkpop1 There's always a backdoor
Follow his eyes 😂 he is clearly getting answers and reading from a screen 😂
That’s what I was thinking
Scripted. 😅
*HE IS GOOGLING AS HE GOES* 😂😂😂
Why John is so angry!
11:28. Like any other company, if you don’t pay the bills you turn them off, when they paid, they got it back…
not applicable if devices are payed up front. And it is not difficult for any country to have law and expert to avoid this possibility. Same as people not worried their tvs or fridges turned off by Chinese government. Software in router not that complicated.
@@user-bb4in5ez9e you’re talking rubbish, you’re telling me that all countries will not cut you off if you don’t pay your mobile phone bills? 🤦♂️😂😂😂
That guy from Germany didn’t mention that nato is also at china’s doorstep 😂😂, isn’t that double standard?😂😂
Over 40% of the entire world's 5G patents are owned by Chinese companies. Korea owns 20%. The US owns 15%
China also leads the world in 6G networking.
Well, Crowdstrike every big company trusts just decided to turn us off today.
Windows. Mac & Linux are fine.
@@fandyllic1975 what you talking about? Many big companies’ windows servers went down last night due to push updates.
@@fandyllic1975 what in your opinion was impacted? lol
How bad huawei it is,the guy is saying huawei turned off networks when the bill wasn't paid, it is really rediculous！Does he mean huawei should let Crimea use huawei's service for free？
As if US companies give anything for free
And the EU wanted the US to use Huawei also. That would be as ill advised as a country getting rid of it's farms.
What has all this got to do with Huawei,all countries should be extremely careful of the technology they have in the most sensitive areas. That includes the USA, Europe should be as independent as possible from American tech Giants.
At the end of the day,all countries should choose what they believe fits their needs with all the risks involved.
@@tresphorempundu3185 Independent fro US ? Neah :D That means leaders with "balls" but we don't have such thing ! We have "Ursula von de Leyen " :D
China owns hundreds of thousands of farm acreage in USA and is buying up more
The US don't use Huawei because they couldn't spy on other countries like they do with NSA 😂
@@dltn42 You made a valid point, the guests and the reporter didn't mention about it. Countries that are using Huawei equipment, the U S A 's NSA can't spy on them.
imagine if America decided to turn off the dollars or if Vw decided to switch off your car?. Protectionism is a double edge sword. Its not about democracy vs authoritarianism, it about business, technology and the fear of being replaced and or displaced.
ban Microsoft and CrowdStrike!
According to politicians, China can, and will, turn off the telecommunication system in Europe. According to telecommunication engineers that is technically not possible.
The other guy wearing a glass seems to be reading his answers from a screen. Very fishy 😂😂
As an european I would be more worried about NATO decisions than Huawei😅..DW you have been really paranoid lately. You need to relearn journalism.
John Strand have a comment about the mess with the air traffic delay today?
Unrelated
I'm not expert on this topic, although I work on related technologies. Over the air upgrades are becoming widely spread in the industry with IoT and 4.0 industry, not to mention how easy would be to send a remote command to put a device on sleep, especially considering that the said devices are already 24h/24h online. Also considering the hybrid wars, just as Russians are doing right now (and very likely EU is also doing), I don't think that it is crazy to think that 5G manufacturers can remotely switch off their equipment on purpose
Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike's technology to be blamed.
The World is witness to Microsoft failing to provide systems that can perform in spite of all interference.
Airports appear to be among the first to witness the weakness and vulnerability of Digital systems.
Cloudstrike has lived up to the name.....
The Strike the Clouds provided as the ability to schedule Flights,
collided with reality,
created anger.
US warned the EU years ago.
But US is spying EU for years as well. Do you forget Snowden?
As someone who worked in telecom security for over 30 years, mostly in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and North America I eat the world. I can’t believe this interview. There was global concern about Chinese equipment far before the trump administration and before the 4G/LT equipment was outdated in Germany as someone who spoke with all the major European operators at the highest levels, I can tell you it was for a long time still ended up being like something in the past five or 10 years This was concerned before 5G
what are the actual risks here?
You are not saying much. What is your point?
@@farsalami8605 kantemirovskaya1lightninga30 couldn't answer you, then make you wonder if he was really worked for the telecom security for over 30 years.
@@farsalami8605 monitoring any or all calls data, etc. and relationships between numbers for everybody on the networks by a foreign hostile government…
It’s not like friendly and hostile governments are caught spying on other governments with some regularity for carriers, depending on how they handle their security, and how security aware they are, and how much lobbing power they have with the respective governments to buy a cheaper solution. So let me question you this, why do you think we went from having Huawei and ZTE in the east, and then Alcatel, lucent, Siemens, then, Nokia Siemens Networks Oy, I N,S and Ericsson and now we have the east and we have Ericsson and we have the rest of those companies rolled into 1, ie 2 in the west… the lobbying power and crooked politicians looking to make a buck. The nations in the west authorized monopoly lol. That’s when I got out of the industry.
what's the difference between the Chinese and the American in term of security concerns?
One is free and democratic, the other is suppressive and authoritarian.
One really spy on you, the other has concers but no evidence.
@@JigilJigilso, US is real democracy?
@@JigilJigil What does that has to do with our security concerns? Germany was democratic right before the WWII, no?
China has concern over its own security, the US has security concern over its neighbours and friends
algorithms can be used to manipulate people and feed them with certain kind of content at a certain time.
Xynu won't hesitate to use anything to spy, if you don't believe that then you don't know Xynu at all.
There is a simple argument, and a real solution, against rejecting Chinese Telco equipments. The 3GPP standard (5G standard) is open. Why not force Chinese manufacturers to write open-source firmware for their stations? That solves the whole problem!
Of course, the European leaders would not like it because it does not serve their narrative of selling overpriced 5G hardware, which ends up increasing the cost to the end-user.
But no one can deny that the best option for the consumer is open-sourcing the firmware so the software becomes transparent- nothing fishy is executed. I mean, why do we develop proprietary firmware to implement the free, open-to-use 5G stack? Why do we need to bann the best hardware manufacturer in the world? I just don't understand how the world works.
p.s., before anyone says it, security through obscurity never works.
It's US and NATO being dictated to expand to Ukraine, then started the Ukraine -Russia war.
Complicated sure. Is there an incentive by CEOs of telecom giants to concern themselves with national strategic concerns over stock price? No. On the other hand, is China going to use their flagship company Huawei as a tool to economically harm the west at the cost it would incur? Likely not, unless we were in a hot war, which would be so destructive I think the telecom issue and the economic damage around that would be a side note in the overall conflict.
It is sad expert consultant do not even know the difference between equipment manufacture and operator. The manufacture provides the equipment and the operator manages it. In rare case due to the operator is incompetent, it depends on the manufacture to manage its network and this will introduce a potential risk of manufacture capable to shuts down a network.
This could be big problem in the future, Huawei is making one of the best connection equipment
Nearly everone carries a spydevice around since years. Its called smartphone.
And the smarter it gets your privacy simply disappeares into thin air.😂
And you dont have to point fingers at the Chinese,because some years ago we learnend
that our best friends did exactly that. And it anyone gone to jail for that or has it stopped ?
No,of course not.
Very danish. Conflict driven, Confrontative, controversial and statement base,
Paul is a Trump shill, and pushing a political stance, not a factual one.
@@off2u4ea99 Yeah, it is very obvious.
He is trying to win government contracts here
Yeah, and all those craps.
This guy with the glasses is quite annoying. Dunno about his arguments, but the way he is laying them out is very childish.
This John guy seems like a diehard MAGA loyalist.
The idea that investors who own majority shares are in anyway in control of a Chinese company is naive at best. Profit can be allowed to define the risk taken by a country and its people
What Chinese companies are actually majority owned by non-Chinese or non-CCP?
If not shareholders, who control your firms?
@@huanghermann5207 you can’t confuse China firms with other companies that aren’t forced by the govt to turn over info. All Chinese firms are subject to orders by the CCP.
Germany really like farke talking bullshxt whole day long.
In the end, you don't want to end up under sanctions imposed by China. This is even more of a problem as Huawei and ZTE are without question great companies selling great products. Until a general change of the geopolitical make up there was a no alternative to derisking.
John brought the receipts. Excellent, detail-rich explanation.
It seems like Paul is actively trying to give Trump all the credit.
To use Women’s Rights given how many Politicians in the West are limiting access to Women’s Health-either making healthcare too expensive, not funding science focused on women’s health, and out banning many reproductive options-weakens the binary value spectrum of US vs BRICS. Or West Tech versus the Bamboo curtain.
John Strand looks like he's going to have a heart attack. He reminds me of the know-it-all IT guy who used to come to our office to try and debug our networked printer that never (ever) did work correctly. He'd say it was this, or that, or the other with such marvelous confidence ... yet he was always wrong.
Paul Triolo nailed it. The US put tremendous pressure on the Five-Eyes, NATO and G7 members to abandon Huawei and ZTE. Why - because the Huawei and ZTE networksd couldn't be hacked by the NSA and CIA!
Most of the time the equipment comes with its own built in software I’ve seen, especially if they’re using their radios
Of course telecommunication could be attacked, just ask Angela!
Question! Is the CEO of Huaiwei a member of the CCP? If yes, then they will absolutely do whatever the CCP demands of the company
Hmmm their technology is not threat to other countries. 😂😂
Every year the US military is renewing permits to use Huawei technologies.
😂😂😂 Germany internet was already close to 0, stopping it won't make a difference 😂😂😂
독일은 주권 없는 나라이지 진짜 독일은 아니다
These were two good guests you had on. I strongly disagree with the one arguing to keep chinese infrastructure in place. The CCP has a history of taking foreign civilians hostage and assisting Russia in its war in Ukraine. Placing critical internet infrastructure in the hands of aggressors against our democratic interests, would not be a good move.
O doido é q os cara inventam a propria loucura e ficam debatendo. Não quer comprar não compra.
Free market not so free after all.
maybe more free in free-er countries. Ask Jack Ma, then talk to Elon Musk.
@@willthecat3861 Yes let's talk to E|lon musk lol hahahaha He is being forced not to be free.
You think youtube is free? Try writing something of substance .... no no not your opinion. Write something from undisputed source. They will delete it. Take historical facts from wikipedia.... it will be deleted.
In covid time... i tried stuff from WHO..... oops they would delete it and ban me lol Why? Because it is against WHO.... yet i just copy/pasted from WHO looool
Free market implies fair competetion, transparency, rules and level playing field. Are chinese networks made by Nokia or Samsung?
@@goyakat2211are nokia , samsung good enough for Chinese markets. Nil !
@@goyakat2211 No, they are too expensive and not good enough
Are all those commenting about Microsoft Chinese?;
The guy with the beard was not really convincing by every other sentence he said containing the word 'complicated'. Meaning 'I have no clue.' The Danish guy though was very clear in his risk assessment.
Even if there is a 5% chance with China going rouge , i wouldn't risk national security on that. Same way if there is a 5% risk that an airplane would crash, would you board it
Now theb what happen when us turn off microsoft. 😂😂
I have opposed the internet of things since I heard about it.
It was my idea.
I called that patent your idea number and asked if I could work with them to make an app that would integrate everything, they said they just help with the patenting process.
I'm no programmer, I despise coding, it was just an idea I had.
Mine was to be used without the internet and it was to expressly forbid data brokers from engaging with it.
That isn't what the internet of things became.
It became an excuse to glean as much data about every one as possible.
That was not my idea. That is wrong.
Period.
Ericsson, Nokia, and Samsung
And Mikrotik solutions. Even Linus has one.
Microsoft is more risk then huaweii
This is xenophobia and discrimination 👎👎👎
the short answer is yes
No algorithm can manipulate me, my soul will immediately tell me what is happening I have a sense within me that I can see you what you are doing there even when you have laughed in the meeting 'You are bullshiter' and everyone has laughed and you see what happened.
I work hard and fight for my breath while you make traps on the other side, I will never take a risk to cooperate with the the ones who are thieves and stole my invention.
Eventually what goes up must come down stock people
USA bites you. You said: "imagine China has tooth"
Ok: there will be two world of technology. Western Tech and the Rest Tech. And we see it already today.
who turn off the network😊
It means more bank losses eventually bottom line.
We have a paid troll siding on one side here, looks like it.
John is angry yhooo😂😂😂😂😂
It means the US and its Europawns will lose the tech war.
China already produces more Scientific papers than the US and it produces 5,000,000 STEM graduates as opposed to the 500,000 the US does, and most of those are Chinese and Indian.😂😂
@@Nnn-j7q Why is that angry? It is the facts.
@@jimmytimmy3680 Still waiting for the Chinese Guass, or Euler, the Chinese Newton, or the Chinese Einstein, The Chinese von Neumann or the Chinese Schockley. China is very good at doing basic scientific research... and lots of it. Perhaps, some people might not understand that the quality of scientific papers is what matters, for non-incremental STEM progress. At least some people posting seem to miss that too.
Where are all the nobel prize winners from cn?
@@willthecat3861 My friend.... it is 2024..... you are still in 1090's lolLook at us tech...... who are they? Update yourself.... the world you are talking about is doen. If you have the opportunity, visit china. You will feel like you are coming from a 3rd world country to an advanced country ( tech wise )..... sure china is still not completely there.... there are many places that are still evolving. But places like shenzhen and other first tier cities lol You'll be shocked. Btw china is now on the forefront in all technologies....... it is up there with the americans. A bit higher or a bit lower. But the chinese tech ... it is all chinese. Shi said he wants to start competeing with usa to get the smartest people to china.... what america has been doing for a long time
@@farsalami8605 High tech like the tofu houses the crumble when it rains too much? There are very good reasons why so few from EU and US move to China, but movement the other way has been happening for decades on a large scale.
Western Europe population is equivalent to 2.43% of the total world population. And China services the world , including the west. Should China then worry ? An annoyance, perhaps. 😊
Tiktok is the virtual sibling of Chinese vape sticks.
The bots are out in force today. Great piece on the risks involved!
This john is mad old man..what about us nato military excercise around the world??
John Strand(Strand Consult CEO): Building the fundamental of digital society on top of Chinese equipment is a risk I WON TAKE!
**Also on the news yesterday**
Massive I.T. outages(USA): How severe are they and who is affected?
John at 4:55. Terrific!
'Algorithm can be used to manipulate with people to feed them with certain kind of content in a certain time, you can decide what to give to them'.
I new this but it has no effect on me, I am in much higher IQ level in comparison with monkeys.
Someones in the pocket of the Chinese
If countries who have Chinese comms and IT infrastructure, then yes, they can monitor, record and switch on and off any of their equipment remotely. Australia was a pioneer in detecting this capability years ago and had all their gear stripped from the country. The worse offender is Huawei. They took a team to the UK and to the dismay of MI5 and GCHQ, switched off a government departments servers while they watched. Their DSD (Defence Signals Directorate) leads the world in detecting this sort of aggressive action by Russia and China.
They sell 5G network here in cans but 😂