SNOW vs. FABRIC Covered Metal Building
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.พ. 2019
- Happy New Year everyone. It's been a while since my last video post, becuase I've been really busy on Hab 2.0 design. Not much fun looking at me work in Solidworks or Cameo Systems modeler so I've been reluctant to build too many videos. Apologies for that...but, this year is going to be awesome...it just hasn't started out that way.
In this video we'll go over a major failure caused by weather. It's a setback for sure, but I think in the end, God has a plan for all of this...and it's really...good. Stay tuned to find out more and while this setback is painful, I think it's all going to work out in the end. In a very, very good way.
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I agree, I hope you have insurance. I feel for you. You don't look like a fool on TH-cam. Don't even think like that. Your a go to guy. Let your audience know what you need. Maybe we can help somehow. You may be surprised.
Reach out to the manufacturer, maybe they will want to send some engineers and look or otherwise collect the failure pieces to learn how to reinforce their structure better for others with same structure.
Please do a go fund me when you have some budget plan for hab 2.
I hope the manufacture steps up and does something for you. Sorry to hear about this. Take care and stay warm. :)
hey, i would like to say that every time you post something it seems to mirror my life and struggles. I am supposed to be going to engineering school but it laid me out flat. so I came home to regroup and to help my family work out a up and coming family member death. any way. thank you for posting the ups and the down. seeing you lean on God and slog your way through this really encourages me to do the same.
GOD Bless.
There are days, well every day, I question what we are doing, hearing you say this I think I can see how Good is leaving all of us together to support one another through this journey. Don't give up, regroup, reattack and in all things trust in Him.
We're all connected, Darling Love from Heaven Above!
@@TheRealMartian lots of people waiting to hear from you!
"Down, but not OUT!" PERFECT ENDING to a video of such gratitude in a time of grievance. Well done, Sir!👍
You are not a fool ... this was an outlier of snow ... you have been inspiring in your research
I'm a scrapper with my occupation. Run some new support system and leave everything intact. Nothing going to fall on you. Have to suck it up and rig alternatives. That's how you survive. Plan B is not starting over. Plan B is modifying plan A. Survival. God bless. PS the heater is fine. :)
cornelius robertson Gussets would have been good to have . I would have definitely added gussets.
Put something under the heater to support it for now. It looks bad now, but your a pretty good McGuyver guy. I bet you can do something. Glad to hear your not giving up. I pretty much though you were done before today with no updates.
Yes, get some scaffolding/support under that heater. Will you continue with fabric buildings or move on to conex boxes? Wishing you the best of luck. Cheers,
Bill
the only and best greenhouse system would be one of glass and steel framed, with a steel roof as a snow shelter above it, faced towards the winter sun, also walipini , half underground , will give you the free energy of the ground and placing a wood stove will allow you to continue to grow all winter long ....good luck we are all in the same boat
Try to look at it as a nudge to get you to move in another better direction. When my wife died I couldn’t bring myself to get rid of her personal things. I eventually boxed everything up but stored everything in the basement still unable to decide to what to do. While I’m trying to decide my basement flooded first time it ever happened. Everything in the basement was ruined. That made me have to finally dispose of everything and move on.
Very sorry for your loss.
Patrick Wagz Thsnks!!
Your resilience in a difficult situation is inspiring. All the very best with how things progress.
WOW ! I was always worried about snow loads, but I never expected this.
Well, as bad as it is, it's still possible to stuff some insulation into rips in the covering and to prevent everything inside from being ruined. Then you could empty the contents when the weather is better.
You have my sympathies, Jeff. This is indeed a nasty blow.
Sorry for the loss, sad to see your hard work go down. Glad to hear that Hab 1 taught you lessons for Hab 2. Looking forward to those up and coming videos, thanks for sharing this, I know it took a lot to show the failure.
This is so depressing, I really feel for you. All the work and money you put into this project.
That's crazy heartbreaking. Sorry to see that. Hopefully in the summer you guys will ramp up and there will be a way that all of us is a community can help out.
So sorry.
Like you said . Our father always have plans.
Be blessed.
Be safe.
🕊👋🏼🇨🇦
Bummer!! Appears that the racking should be part of the structure? Then you would have had center strength.
You’re attitude, faith, and perspective is incredibly inspiring and energizing. Like you said, When you look back on this down the road, there will come that time we all know, where it all finally makes sense. For the time being, I’m sorry you are going through this now. I really enjoy your videos and projects. I heard the other day a cool saying - that failure and success are actually both the same road. The only difference is success is just a bit father down that road.
It almost looks like the insulation help to keep the snow on the roof. My guess is when it was heated the snow would have been more likely to slide earlier. I'm going to say a polycarbonate Greenhouse on a smaller scale might be a better more affordable scalable experiment
I was thinking the same thing. the roof insulation prevented the snow from melting and sliding off.
@@donaldfafard yeah that's kind of what I was thinking the insulation did the reverse it probably had just enough liquid underneath it when the temperature dropped that it froze to the roof and was unable to slide after that. So if the insulation would have been taken down for the winter the building probably would have been okay but removing all that insulation would have been a lot of work to put it all back up again so I can't say that this was something that he could have foreseen plus the Monumental snowfall on top of the building performing without any problems in Prior years he probably just never had the thought that the snow would freeze the roof it is an unfortunate setback. I know here in Canada you might have a chance of having insurance cover the cost of erecting another building because of the unusual event of snow but my limited understanding of insurance down in the United States is that you have to add certain buildings to your policy and that will cost you more
I agree regarding the insulation but I think it was the fact that you have only one side insulated all the way up. I think you got a a load imbalance on one side. Sorry for your loss. I really hope your not making payments.
You don’t look like a fool you gave it your all venturing into new ground like a pioneer. Nothing to be ashamed of or regret.
I wish you well in recovering from this situation and I'm really looking forward to seeing your plans for HAB 2.0.
You showed what a great attitude you have and strong faith those two attributes you'll never be down and out
So sorry to see that devastation. Agree that the structure was successful because of all the completed projects. True enough that God has a plan to do in His time. Stay faithful, sir!
Sorry to hear about all of your setbacks. Praying that God shows you his Way Forward
That was sad to watch. It amazes me how some people can be so harsh. Why is it so easy for some to push you down when it costs nothing to offer words of encouragement. It amazes me when people say global warming doesn't exist because they see cold weather and heavy snow like this. The truth is that global warming causes weather extremes. I think there is a lot of salvage that can be done on bldg and eqpt. What doesn't kills us makes us stronger and certainly wiser. All the best in the recovery.
Father has you & yours in His Ethereal Hands, Brother! Be brave as you are and have faith as you do! Thank you for sharing. My husband and I just began gardening 2 falls ago and this devastated me, knowing a hint of what you've gone through and what crazy weather is to come our way across the earth FLAT or not.. It's a "Deep
Impact." 😥😨😫😵👿😇
Keep your faith brother!Those pallet shelves will support a lot of the weight. Be cautious. Get a few more hands and get your heaters.This is a set back but not a killer!
Keep your chin up! I agree that things will get better. I can't wait to see what's going Hab 2.
Thumbs up in support; keep moving forward with a positive outlook!
Nice to see you again. Wow! Big snow difference from last year. What a shame terrible thing to have happen. It is like being on mars.
Oh man, I feel for your situation. Hopefully the weather has worked with you since this was posted.
I had a hoophouse up in VA that got decimated like that under an ice storm followed by 7" of snow. I stayed out there all night with a push broom pushing up the ceiling and knocking that stuff off. I also had two woodburning stoves in there, hoping to keep it warm enough that the ice would melt and let it slide off....nah, it was just too cold.
I am sure God has a plan. You have attempted things others have not and I am sure have learned more that words or videos will ever say. I hope that the building MFG will stand behind their product and make it right with you financially. I am sure inventors over the centuries have had many failures before they were successful. I am looking forward to HAB 1.5 or HAB 2.0 and seeing the improvements. Keep your head up, lots of subscribers are here to support you in one way or another.
Hold fast brother! I appreciate your faith and honesty.
My Condolences Jeff... I'm glad I had the opportunity to see it during it's operational years. I hope you get things up and running soon!
Also, I wonder if you would qualify for FEMA aid, given the extreme weather.
Oh my goodness. I felt just sick when you showed us Hab 1. I was pretty sure what you would show us, just not how bad it would be. I really admire your attitude and faith. I have often found that good comes out of bad. You usually have to WORK hard to realize it, but you already know that. :o) Good thoughts and prayers for the future. Looking forward to see what you have been working on.
You are blessed, there are far worse things for sure. Nice to see your face again
Sorry to see this. We are all behind you.
So proud of you and the Mrs. !!!
Keep your head up take it as a life lesson. Yes today hurts but your a smart guy and your Family is safe and nobody got hurt just your pride. keep helping others and it will come back to you 10 fold. My hart goes out to you if i was in the south west i would be their even in the snow but i am in Michigan. my thoughts are with your family.
Oh man, that's rough. A lot you can learn from this. Goes to show how strong your racking system was. Perhaps in the rebuild you might consider tying them into the frame structure for added support?
Good luck, Jeff. We're all hoping for the best.
Snow load calculations take into effect the worst possible combinations.
It looks like the snow on one side slid off while the other side stuck. This put uneven forces on the structure making it shift, and once one of the beams broke, the rest couldn't hold on.
In areas with high snow loads, it is important to have a high pitched roof so they clear themselves.
Semi-temporary structures like this one should have the fabric treated with teflon, oil or some sort of lubricant each year to keep the snow from sticking.
Good luck man. You can do great things.
that big racking will support the weight of the snow load and other stuff, its where the racks are missing is where the stuff is super vulnerable. electronics etc. when you rebuild make a steep roof line. almost A frame. with the grand solar minimum coming, the steep roof will be beneficial to shed snow load. really beef up the structure.
That sucks man, speedy recovery
OMG Jeff..... I'm sorry for your loss. I'll keep on following you and you mission though. Keep up the good work! 👍😁
I sincerely hope you come through stronger; financially, engineering-wise, and emotionally.
Having watched you since the beginning I expect you will.
heartbreaking, all that work, stay positive!
You're an inspiration. God bless you.
your attitude won my subscription, and I hope many more.
TRM, it is sad to see the failure. Hope you didn't lose the trout or the trees. Hopefully insurance will cover the loss. Did you contact the manufacturer and let him know how his structure failed?
The manufacturer - that was my first thought .. what do THEY have to say?
I had the same thing happened to me about 4 years ago when the polar vortex came through. I should have stayed on top of it with a snow rake too keep the snow off
I guess you should put some construction poles under the broken galvanized beams, just to save your investment, or part of it. I also think that the snow on the side is taking care of the structure from collapse. So better get that snow from that roof as soon as the storm strikes again. And don't think about god's plan, think about your plan, because eventually your plan will be god's plan.
Courage, we all are with you.
OH MAN!!! I hope there well be a 2.0 to come.
I expect to see this structure completely gutted once the snow melts. Hab 2 should be stronger and have less wasted space.
The digester could be returned to service once the building had been removed.
God Bless and keep the faith. Things will get better.
My concerns at this point are 1. Propane shut off. 2. Propane plumbing disconnected so it doesn't rupture or damage the tank if the building comes down. 3. Figure out how the new roofline is going to impact snow load, and mitigate. It might be best to cut or roll back the skin so that new snow just passes through instead of building on the roof. 4. Try to get some support under the heater. This might be salvageable, but you need to mitigate the immediate threats as best you can. God bless, Brother.
I am so sorry Jeff. Praying for you. Don't give up brother.
Gutted for you dude! But as you say, even the bad times in life turn out to be a blessing in the future 👍
If you're insured properly this may be the money you need to reduce size and do hab 2. Perhaps a blessing in disguise. Lean in brother!
You're no fool!
Think of Job, sir, be thankful even in your frustrations.
Yea I know, I'm not good at it either. Godspeed!
TRM ..... hopefully, you will be able to re-purpose anything that does not sell. You still have a TON of steel, fabric, flooring, shelving etc that is useful. As you stated ... this is a very real learning experience. Heck, maybe even diagnose the reasons for the failure, design the necessary structure improvements and sell the design to the manufacturer of the structure? Prayers to you and the Mrs .. you WILL get through this!
Oh man. So sorry. That's a bummer!
My $.02... take what you’ve learned and put it into a shipping container. Much more solid, easier to maintain temperature during the winter and closer to your final product. Call it the next phase if you will.
I feel like stepping back from this full scale production size project will be good. Bring things down to a smaller scale and see if you can get things going from there.
Once spring comes you can put a shed over your digester and keep it going.
We’re all here to support you however we can given our varying ability to give. Wether it been spiritual, mental, physical or financial.
Keep on trucking Brother. We’ve got your back!
Tough but this stuff happens sometimes. Been there. Hang in there! Things will get better.
So sorry for you. I have had the same thing happen to me once. Good luck. I would start looking around for a used or year end deal on a steel building.
Love your attitude
Sending my sincere condolences to you and your family. The Real Martian will live on, our supporters will be here.
I am so sorry to see this failure. My deepest sympathies on this loss. I hope you have insurance.
So sorry:( you worked so hard on that. Thx for bringing
us along on this think called life.
Your roof snow load for your area is 109 psf. Looks like the south side frame of the structure is salvageable. The bolts on that side sheered off.
I think the south side shed the snow better as it’s the solar side. For now if you can let the tent loose to fall in it will take the load off the structure to help salvage latter this year. I have a summer place close to you so would like to stop by later this year. Take care and be careful.
Your positive outlook will be rewarded as those who have faith will be blessed. Be encouraged...Keep the faith.
Hab 2.0- look at some of the in ground designs. Will help with the winter using less heat, and with less structure exposed you can build it to support more weight.
Hate to tell you but the way the "atmospheric river" to California has set up just south of the low pressure off the Pacific NW coast, you're in for more snow.
Just heartbreaking. I’m truly saddened to see this happen.
O my goodness!! I’m so sorry you guys. Hang in there. 🙏 This weather is crazy.
I think it’s to late for roof rake ...
1st thing we do back home in winter worry about the snow on roofs not on driveways.
No point Togo the shop with clean driveway to cooking in the house with no roof .you get my point .im sorry for your loss
I am so sorry for this disaster!
Proverbs 3:5 & 6
I have to give you props for keeping a level head and trusting our Lord!!!
I am proud of you brotha!
Ground Control to TRM, Jeff Hab 1 failure looks to be due to multiple reasons.
The skin could be the issue, the previous one never allowed the snow to build up. Is the new one the same material?
You always had heating running which would help melt the snow making the skin slippery allowing the snow to slide.
Does the insulation help cause the snow to build up as it’s a colder surface?
How are the fish?
Remember in Martian the hab got damaged but Mark Watney carried on.
You got this this TRM, Ground Control out
Hurts my heart to watch... I wish we could have been there to help you out. I don't know what to say.... so sorry and such a major set back.
Good evening TRM. I suggest that since the side that has collapsed is already "resting" on the racking. Maybe see if you can tie what is left of the roof structure to the racking to hopefully keep it from falling further down. It looks to already have penetrated the roof membrane. So you can maybe keep it from going further and support it so you can at least be in there with a little more confidence it won't crash down on you.
I look forward to Hab 2 and may God/Good bless you :)
as far as structural thinking.. steel shelving is extremely strong.. I would use the shelves to double as structural components. I'm in Japan and have had to reconstruct a very large old traditional house.. and I've had to do a lot of doubling my components... thinking in multi-use .. .. I'm 1 guy .. limited resource .. .. anyway, just think if you had run some connective spokes from the steel shelves to the roof arches.. man! good luck.. we all need it.
Have you considered going down, instead of up? The walls would no longer become an issue, and the footprint is far wider than it would be deep to provide safety from any collapse or issues. It would also be much easier to incorporate a roof like : |\ with a sheer pitch or a 30 - 45 degree (/\) pitch to shed the snow easily, while being anchored directly to the ground. I dunno. All I can think of is to try to work with nature. My condolences
That is heartbreaking man. I'm so sorry for you.
I feel for you - that sucks...
Thanks for letting us know - I now know what I will do when I build my green house...
Stay positive!
So sorry for your temporary setback. Have you looked into walapini greenhouse designs? With the grand solar minimum you should expect as much or more snow in the coming years. The walapini design, with active heated double poly cover, can use geothermal energy at a fraction of the running cost. Keep the space between the two poly panels positively pressured with geothermal heating to ensure fast melting as well as increased insulation effect. Curtis Stone uses a similar double poly pressure insulation method.
In addition to geothermal energy, you could use a rocket stove mass heater combined with a radiant heat system (wrapped around the barrel) and a boiler (on the barrel) powered Tesla steam turbine. Alternatively, you can run composting inside the greenhouse and capture the exothermic energy with a boost to CO2 for your plants.
I cannot speak to God's plan, but I know the depths of truth to the saying, "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Research the grand solar minimum and the Maunder minimum. It is a cycle and we're about to see tribulations that many will compare to The Revelation.
Sorry about the loss, Jeff. Not to sound like Captain Obvious BUT, The best thing to do: Salvage, salvage, salvage and recycle, recycle, recycle, then science the crap out of the design. After all, NASA is known for innovation. In the words of the 6-million Dollar Man. “Gentleman, we can rebuild him. We have the technology.”
I would go through all the warranties and cash them in. Specifically the tent’s.
Looking at the video, Anyone can see why there was structure failure. There was not enough crossbeam support to be able to handle that much stress and weight on the ceiling. You have bars going East to West, but hardly any going North and South to balance out the weight. I would also venture a guess that the bolts used were not regulated for strength either. This explains why the structural beams were popping their bolts the way they were. If you find one of the bolts, check to see the ID # or markings on the head.
You should still be able to recover the 4K heater since it is not on the side that has the most damage. You will have to set up a rope pulley system. You should ask Wranglerstar for help using his tractor. Of course, since the tractor cannot get in the tent you should still be able to lower the heater using the ropes attached outside since it is close to the entrance. While the heavily damage portion of the roof is still on the shelving, I would pull the dehumidifier also using ropes tied to the lower portion. I don’t see if it will tug or pull on anything from the collapsed portion by scooting it out.
Hope things will work out eventually for reconstruction and recovery.
Sad but good thing you shut down the hab.
Maybe this is a push to a new small study.
Glad to see your spirit is up at the end of the video.
Maybe time for a geothermal greenhouse with a wood structure...I know Oppenheimer Ranch Project has some designs...but they should stay standing in snow better. I think this is good for everyone to see as we go into the grand solar minimum more.
Divide and conquer... Divide by function. Smaller separated domes. Cut your energy needs by separating. Fish area, work area, storage area does not need the same energy demands (climate control/sun) as the the plants. You might be able to halve your energy needs by separating the plants.
Look for some fine print in your insurance! Hoping you land on your feet!
you can "save it" get the cover off. rebuild it with support to the rack's inside (welding and bending it to place again) and a new skin on.
sadly i'm on the other side of the pond. so i cant help and i cant get any of it.
I can't imagine how you mus feel. I will say your attitude is commendable. Keep your faith in GOD and you will always be rewarded. I'm looking forward to what is next in the "Martian Saga".
I think your wrong on the failure, its not the weight on the roof that caused it to fail. Looks to me the snow slid down the left side, pushed the left wall in, with the right side still with snow on it, caused structure to shift and fail. Had you kept left and right side clear, it would have held.
Yep, I think you nailed it.
I’m so sorry that happened to your property. 🙏🏻
Prayers man. Looks like lots of salvageable stuff still there, but I agree with lots of folks on here about contacting the manufacture. Send them the link to this video and let them see the failure points.
I hope you and the misses continue to do this as it is a neat concept and has potential.
I think smene mentioned already. If the skin is comprised in nine area can you not cut and pull it off? It would keep it from collapsing all the way?
Wow you do have a lot of bad luck lately... I really hope a streak of good luck is coming your way!
Notice that the snow accumulated on the side that was insulated underneath.
Rough one Mr. Martian. Ill be following you more closely.
BLESS YOUR FATH. YOUR IDEAS ARE REAL. THEY WILL BE MET IF NOT BY YOU BY SOME ONE FOLOWING IN YOUR STEPS. YOU ARE SETING THE PATH KEEP IT GOING.MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU. MIGHT THE MAKERS OF THE FAILED METEL PARTS HAVE ANY COMPENSATION, WAS IT A DESINE FLAW OR JUST OVER LOADED BY SNOW.
Luctor et emergo. My flimsy first greenhouse was destroyed by a gale. My new one is more sturdy and more based on passive solar greenhouse designs. Thermal mass and daylight hours are my limits. Without heating and artificial lighting I will need to grow my veggies in fall and keep them alive during winter. I don't understand why you used a surface greenhouse, what you need is a cellar, to mimic martian conditions. Your solar panels have an angle that does not look optimal for winter and snow load. Lot's of design issues. I have them also and keep tweeking and tinkering on. Best wishes, you will get there, greetings from Holland.