People forget Kurgek lost his son only for his mate to replace it within a short time. Also the fact his only priority was the family's safety above all others. Imagine your wife, right after your son died, said let's adopt a random child, only it was an unkown creature that you didn't know what it ate or did. Also, while others did have a hand in it, Tarzan did directly cause many near deaths and dangers.
Another interesting thing about the toxic masculinity and the Clayton-Kerchac parallels: because Kerchac (a respected leader of the family) mostly "bonded" with Tarzan with anger and frustration, it made it normal and expected, so when Clayton yells at Tarzan and uses aggressive body language, Tarzan is like "this is fine" and continued to trust him.
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052Explain what (you think) "toxic masculinity" is and how you believe both characters displayed zero characteristics of it if you want to claim that "mfs really be stretching things".
I mean...it is the jungle so stoicism (which isn't inherently bad it keeps a logical mind so that a dangerous job or task gets done) is kinda necessary which is why Tarzan is more stoic.
@@JJ-yn4cjBeing stoic isn't inherently bad but when it came to Tarzan needing a supportive father and or male role in his life I could see why that would be a bit of a problem
True which makes it harder to really demonize him as a character. Because you do understand why he's so opposed to Tarzan but its so heartbreaking that he rather have let Tarzan suffer the same fate as their child.
What I love about Clayton's death scene is that he did it to himself. He was so focused on trying to get Tarzan that he didn't realize what he was doing until it was too late.
Most of the best Disney villains deaths comes from their own actions Gaston, stabbing the beast in the back rather than escape only to be thrown to his death by the beasts throws (bell grabs the beast to keep him from falling too) Scars cowardice makes him throw the hyenas under the bus to try and save himself and they end up turning on him Follo goes mad trying to strike down Esmerelda and Quasimodo and it leads to him falling into literal hellfire Clayton's anger and desire to kill Tarzan makes him oblivious to his own peril and he ends up hanging himself Their deaths come from the flaws in their characters and their obsession with destroying others leading to their own.
@@mckenzie.latham91also (even though it isnt a death but I count it as a defeat), when Jafar got so greedy with power he then wished to be a genie without realizing he’d be bound to the lamp
@@shinryouzen Yes, that's a good point too also because I actually do like it as a sequel, The Return of Jafar, has Iago, Jafar's old lackey, who Aladdin stood up for (Something Jafar would never do) that ends up destroying his lamp and killing him
Something beautiful about the hand scene when they first meet, is that the guy who did it was trying to depict the first time he met his daughter. That look was like " I see me in you". But from both perspectives, from Tarzan as finally meeting another human being, and the animator becoming a father and seeing her daughter for the first time. I think that gives that scene such an emotional weight and tenderness.
2:53 I love how you can see that while Tarzan inherited his father's facial structure, his eyes are identical to his mother's. His father's strength and leadership with his mother's gentleness, courage, inquisitiveness and persistence. And of course he learned acceptance and bonding from Kala.
Jane is a great example of the inverse to Tarzan’s arc, I feel like. She is raised quite posh in a very formal and rigid society (in every possible way), especially for women, and chooses to pursue science and the study of wild animals in locations that aren’t seen to be ‘proper’ for women of her status. She is gentle and kind and genuinely passionate about learning more about everything. Her choices alienate her from the rest of society, when she could have easily fit in and lived a “comfortable” life.
My adoptive mom used to sing this song to me when I was a kid. Especially when I would have night terrors. I was neglected as a baby before I got put in foster care. And had really bad anxiety. Especially separation anxiety. And I hated sleeping in a different room than my mom. Because I was afraid that she would be gone when I woke up. Because my biological mother used to take off for days at a time when I was a baby. And leave me with my three half siblings who were 3,4 and 6 years old at the time. And they would have to change and feed me. Often the food or formula was bad. Because my biological mother was an alcoholic and addicted to cocaine as well.
This is honestly one of my all time favorite 90s disney movies, the soundtrack makes me cry every time!! Fun fact: Tarzan was the first disney character to be animated with accurate muscles 💪
While I agree that he was the one with the most accurate muscles, I'm not sure if you can make such an absolute claim. He's still stylized and overproportioned.
what does this mean, though? like, the animators had a model(s) they used for anatomic reference similar to how they observed skateboarders/surfers for movement, that his muscles would be accurate to how a jungle man would look, or just that his muscles were drawn in the right place and not overly-ginormous like Gaston? I'm confused because as someone mentioned, he is still kinda stylized haha
22:28 Fun fact, Tarzan's lack of facial hair was actually addressed in the books. In the books, Kala takes Tarzan to his parents house when he's still a kid and explains that he's a human. Tarzan also sees humans as a kid when he discovers the local African tribes. He sees the men shaving and, in order to look more human, follows their example (monkey see monkey do🥁). While I thought this was a pretty cool detail I can see why Disney decided to cut it out. For one thing, Tarzan not meeting any humans before Jane, her dad and Klayton makes the meeting more impactful. There's also the films run time to consider. But what was likely the biggest reason was the fact that, as expected of a book written in 1912, the depiction of the tribes and Tarzan's relationship with them was pretty racist...
Depends on their depiction. Most tribes in Africa were more barbaric than the English, same with the Muslims. The later castrated their slaves and bashed heads of babies of the women that couldn't carry kids and luggage. The Africans captured and sold those slaves to them. If what in the book was accurate, the it's not racist.
I think on a moral dilemma level its easier to make either all the preditors non speaking or all the prey in this sort of story. That way you don't have the uncomfortable situation where you are either rooting for someone to get eaten or rooting for someone else and potentially their kids to starve. If one or the other is completely mindless it makes the dilemma a bit morally easier. Especially when the preditor is shown killing without eating.
@@MarchingGrrl ever seen Ice Age 3? It was the first time the movies showed that the sabertooth tiger-character Diego IS STILL hunting even as a good guy, which inadvertently means he is routinely killing the neighbours of his friends as almost all the animals are equally sentient.
To be fair Kerchak isn't totally out of pocket considering he's probably one of very few adult males in this group and it usually falls on the male to care for and protect everyone in his troop and it seems like he's had encounters with humans before given how he reacts to the gunshots after the leopard takedown
Sabor's design seems to incorporate elements of cheetahs, jaguars and clouded leopards (which, despite the name, are not that closely related to actual leopards), but as far as Sabor's exact species goes, they're a leopard. Leopards are the main predators of gorillas. Leopards and jaguars both belong to the Panthera genus, but leopards inhabit Africa and Asia, while jaguars are native to South, Central, and some parts of North America. Jaguars are far more bulky, with bigger spots, and are actually quite adept at hunting in water (even killing massive caimans with a bite that pierces the brain), leopards are more slender and often strike by jumping down from trees. They also drag their prey into the tree canopy, so bigger predators like lions and hyenas can't get to their catches.
Correct, and they may let the catch lay there for few days too tender-rise. A lot of predators actually don't like their meat fresh so that the parents weren't eaten isn't a surprise
Disney's Dark Trilogy: Atlantis, Hunchback of Notredame and Tarzan will always be underrated trilogies with incredibly animation and music. I will fight everyone who says Hellfire isn't best Villain song in Disney animated movies :D
Tarzans movements in the trees are based off of Tony Hawk's skateboarding moves. The animators son was obsessed with skateboarding at the time, so he incorporated it in.
1:05:22 I think this part is so underrated. Yes, Tarzan was hurt by Clayton’s betrayal and showed righteous anger toward him when protecting his family, but notice how completely Tarzan’s attitude shifts. This is probably the first time in Tarzan’s life that he’s felt the very human emotions of rage and contempt. Notice also what caused it. Even when Tarzan had Clayton’s gun, he still held some respect for him. He saw Clayton as a defeated adversary who represented things that horrified him, but also as someone willing to go out with dignity. Tarzan decided to test that, though. When he saw that Clayton flinched at the gun noise and truly was a coward, that’s when Tarzan reached his breaking point. He had nothing except contempt and disgust for this creature. I love that scene.
I used to think Kerchak didn’t like Tarzan because he wasn’t a gorilla. It took me until my teen years to realise he was reminded of the child he lost whenever he looked at Tarzan, and was scared to care for him after that loss.
This movie was PEAK disney!! The animation is stunning and Phil Collins does a spectacular job telling parts of the story with his music! And yes, they do add some 3D elements to establish foreground and midground of some scenes of the jungle such as the flower blooming scene as time passes which is super cool because not a lot of people think 3D elements played an integral part in these 2D animated movies!
Fun fact: In the original boot, Tarzan wasn't actually as ostracized by the gorillas and was even being raised to be the next leader. Also in the books, Clayton is actually related to Tarzan (his cousin I think) and he actually does go back to england. Apparently it's a whole little story series of it's own.
FUN FACT: Disney went all out for this movie with the soundtrack, using a famous rock star at the time to create it. Not to mention Tarzan was the first movie soundtrack to be recorded in 35 languages by various artist. Phil himself recorded the songs in Italian, French, German and Spanish. It sold over 2million copies in the US alone and earned Phil his Academy Award and Golden Globe for best original song "You'll be in my heart" which he wrote as a lullaby for his daughter Lilly.
I never thought about it but honestly I don't think people give Kerchack (?) enough leeway in the beginning for being upset that Kala brings Tarzan. Like he lost his baby too and they're just coping differently. Kala wants to fill the void (not necessarily replace their baby) by having a new purpose and caring for a new baby. Kerchack wants to be angry and upset and Tarzan probably just felt like a slap in the face like Kala was trying to replace their baby. Idk I just feel like both their reactions were very fair.
I never realized how incredibly old Sabor is by the time Tarzan kills her. She was an adult when she killed his parents and he’s probably 20-something years old when they fight. Leopards only live about 15 years on average.
5:22 The fact that the leopard (or jaguar?) left the parents and didn't eat them, proves that it kills just for sport instead of survival - it's brutal and an easy villain to dislike as it is, from our perspective, pure evil
Also, I assumed the animators researched the hunting practices of Leopards. They usually pull their prey high up into a tree to keep scavengers away so they can eat at their own pace. Leopards don't typically eat their prey immediately. So that was just normal behavior. Not just being pure evil.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006It's more believable with Big Cats, who have had rare cases of killing solely for sport IRL, including hunting humans. Doubt many of those cases were leopards, though.
@@JBWinter Right, sure, I believe you now, genius. I’m sure it had nothing to do with humans destroying habitats and driving away other prey. Or the fact that humans are just prey to them like any other animals. They were obviously killing people out of malice. Thank you uninformed internet stranger ♥️
My FAVORITE detail of this movie is Tarzan being able to mimic sounds because of course humans are able to do that while apes cannot. I just love the idea of him using his voice in trying to find his identity
One thing that impresses me is how well they handled us being able to understand what the gorillas and the humans say, but neither understanding eachother
There’s a line in the Prince of Egypt where the Queen says Moses to, “now you know the truth love, now forget and be content,” when he learns about his family and a transracial adoptee did a really interesting commentary on the film. It went over my head as a kid, but she said the movie is a good exploration of the complexities at play with adoption. The gist of what she wrote was that almost everyone has questions about where they came from and adoptees need to be able to seek out answers without being made to feel like they’re betraying anyone. She also said a lot that adoption is measured in gains and losses and that applies to Tarzan’s story. It’s great that Tarzan found Kala, but it’s also understandably sad that in order for her to become a mother he had to first be orphaned. TLDR, it’s all really complicated.
It’s crazy because I used to watch Tarzan a lot as a kid and rewatched it during the pandemic as an adult & in the end I cried my eyes out, it brought back memories and reminded me of my childhood I think but I literally never felt that way before in my life. 😭
You are so real for the crying because same. This was my fav movie as a kid and watching it as an adult destroyed my very being. The relationship between Tarzan and his mom gets mEEEE 😭😭
25:53 The VA who portrayed Tarzan couldn't do a convincing enough "Tarzan yell," so the VA who portrayed Clayton did the yell instead. ALSO, Tarzan is supposed to be British like the Porters and Clayton, but because the VA was American and couldn't consistently do a British accent, he kept the American accent even when Jane, an English woman played by Minnie Driver, taught him English in her own accent.
about Tarzan's ability to mimic; they showed through his growing-up montage that he mimics every other animal in the jungle down to a T, it's not hard to believe he should be able to mimic Jane's gestures and even language as well. There's animals in the wild that mimic other animals as well. Interesting observation and creative implement of the movie creators :)
The opening to this film is my favorite part because it comes across as a very traditional play. Romeo and Juliet: “Two households, both alike in dignity, in fair Verona, where we lay our scene…” Tarzan: “Put your faith in what you most believe in, two worlds, one family…a paradise untouched by man…” Just a very cool way to use music in musical that you don’t see anymore.
This movie was a lot darker than I remember. Tarzan’s parents getting killed by the cheetah, the baby gorilla, Clayton’s death scene. I can’t believe Disney was able to get away with this stuff back then.
20:15 I wasn’t adopted or mixed race. Just a light eyed lightskinned black baby. Some white woman still had the nerve to stage whisper behind my parents’ backs, “I didn’t know they let black people adopt white babies.” Which when recounted to me years later, is so racist as to be hilarious, especially since I’m secure in having physical traits from both my parents, but it’s nuts people would really say that
Sabor was a lioness in the novels but they changed her to a leopard since it fit the jungle environment better. Also Clayton and Tarzan are cousins in the novels and they kind of hinted at this by giving them similar faces.
22:28 In the original book, Tarzan learned how to shave. He found a blade and taught himself how to shave his beard and he cut his hair "in a crude bang (fringe)" to keep it out of his eyes. Yes, the book says he cut himself when he first found the knife.
1:05:50 Clayton’s death scene as a kid was interesting because I remember seeing the shadow and being like oh is he just…there? And then as I got older, it hit harder realising what had happened.
Tarzan is one of my favourite movies of classic Disney. Also wanted to give my opinion regarding the ape's stomp-style music scene. My small theory is that in their heads, they're playing awesome music, when in reality they're just making a massive mess and random noises, as we hear when Tarzan and Jane show up to the campsite. Also, fun fact (but not so fun fact), in the books, the original death of Tarzan's parents are a bit different from the movie : while on the island, his Mother died of natural causes, whereas his Father was indeed killed, but not by the leopard Sabor, but by *Kerchak* . So if this movie kept the way the parents actually died in the story, this movie would've been a whole lot darker.
If you look on the floor at 5:06, there's several used shells on the ground. Maybe the reason the leopard hadn't eaten Tarzans parents was because when it attacked it got shot. It was probably sitting up on the rafters in incredible pain when Kala came by. It seems like most animals are at least somewhat sentient in this movie, so it might've associated Tarzan with whichever parent managed to shoot it. That might be why it seemed to zero in on Tarzan the moment it saw it. It hadn't bothered checking out a squirming and crying blanket for hours or even days before Kala showed up, but practically the moment she uncovered him, it was on site apparently. Or it did that because the plot demanded it to do that... whichever floats your boat :)
the way i see Kerchak's character, the biggest thing holding him back from conecting with Tarzan was the grief for the son he lost in the beginning. He says to Kala "he won't replace the one we lost" and i do feel like that thought continues to weight down on Kerchak's mind for the rest of the movie, and with it the resentment towards Tarzan for not being what his first son was. It's as if Kala healed from the loss by opening herself up for love again, taking care of Tarzan, while Kerchak never quite recovered because he remained closed: he has to lead so he leads, he has to be strong so he's strong. He never stops to let go of the grief, only redirects his frustration at Tarzan. I definetely see it fitting into the discussion of positive vs toxic masculinity, more specifically the damage men do to themselves and others because of this pressure to be strong and to carry it all.
Is it just me or are you guys uploading more often? It's awesome to see your reactions popping up in my recommended, always cheers me up. I don't know if you remember me but you guys were streaming the morning of my art school entrance test and gave me some encouraging words, I got in! Thank you ^^
They don't have an exact schedule, but have mentioned in the livestreams a couple times when people brought it up that they are trying to upload more often if it is possible for them. Sometimes life gets in the way, but they have occasionally been able to upload videos within a few days of each other. I am personally glad for this recent luck because I have a family member in the hospital (in relatively okay condition) the last week so I really like the distraction and pick me up from watching their new videos. Terrible with names, but I do remember the talk about art school so congratulations on getting accepted!!
I think Tazan restraining Kerchak is kind of believable in 2 ways. 1) he was choking Kerchak and using his full strength on that alone which could be possible. 2) Kerchak made no moves to harm Tarzan. Kerchak doesn't like Tarzan, but he's never actively fought or harmed him even then, showing to some degree he does respect and protect Tarzan as a part of the tribe (which kind of shows when Tarzan killed the leopard and Kerchak was thinking of saying something nice or positive before being interrupted, showing Kerchak knows he's stubborn and should do something nice before the humans came and put tension between them again). He let Tarzan choke him as he tried to get to the humans. If Kerchak wanted too, he could have thrown Tarzan off or saw Tarzan as a threat and kicked him out afterwards or fought him, but never did. These two reasons are the only reason I buy Tarzan "restraining Kerchak". Tarzan aiming for a soft area and Kerchak not wanting to harm him.
Seeing how much chemistry Jane and Tarzan had on screen or to be more specific how well they're animated together...... its amazing to think they were animated in diferen parts of the world ...... Tarzan was animated in France ( in the París Disney studio divisions) by Glen kean and Jane was animated in burbank California by Ken Ducan, with the animators only working and checking each other's work sparsely via vídeo conference ( since zoom wasn't invented yet ) and mailing each others keys of their scenes.... as i heard it put it somewhere... this characters truly turned out to be "two words, one family".
47:06 Kerchak is the leader of all those gorillas and he keeps the peace and leads them, so he has to be careful because all those gorillas are his responsibility, so he has to be careful for them and not just for himself, while Clayton is just a greedy hunter of exotic animals that can be sold for high prices, and Clayton will shoot at anything he thinks threatens him in any way.
Tarzan was one of the first Disney films to utilize a program called Deep Canvas, which is basically a 3D CGI program that can be used to establish 3D permanent fixtures as well as 3D camera tracking and angle management. So, yes it's 3D made to look more like 2D in simplicity. 😊
My naïve kid ass thought that if tarzan didn’t let kurchecks hand hit the ground he wouldn’t have died. And it took me years to forgive tarzan for that
If you watched Disney Channel back in the day when this movie was coming out, they talked about how the movie took surfing as inspiration for how Tarzan moves through the trees. So it reminding you of surfing was intentional and its inspiration.
33:51 Tarzan still hasn't realized she's "like him," or more accurately that he's a human being like her. And yet when she laughs out of ticklishness when he touches her toes, he smiles for a split second because laughter also happens among apes and some primates, for the same reasons it happens among humans. They feel ticklish too. So while he's investigating what Jane is, Tarzan is realising that while she looks "weird" to him, she has a lot in common with what he already knows about himself and the gorillas he lives with. And then of course he compares their hands and their heartbeat the way Kala did with him when he was a child, and that's a non-verbal way to show he's thinking "She's like me!..."
27:25 When I was a kid, I thought Tarzan found a tube of lipstick that was empty for some reason. Now I know it was a bullet casing, and he grimaced because he tasted the lead in it. And that some lipsticks come in a tube called a "bullet" because it's shaped like one.
39:36 Minnie Driver had a rough script in front of her for this whole monologue, but she ad-libbed most of it in one breath. Most famously "And Daddy, they TOOK. MY. BOOT!"
Fun fact about gorillas, silver backs will adopt orphaned babies and allow them to eat before everyone else ( typically the leader is the one that gets to eats first). Also the amount of interactions they have with the rest of the group increases compared to others of the same age.
Love a good positive vs toxic masculinity tale! Have you folks seen George of the Jungle? Not only is it funny and silly, but has some great messages about positive masculinity a la young Brendan Fraser.
I love this movie. I was 7 when this movie came out in America. It came out the day after my 7th birthday. I remember wanting to see it in theaters for my birthday. But my adoptive mom at the time didn't have a lot of money for me, my adoptive sister and herself to go to the movies. So, I saw the movie once it came out on VHS. My sister and I watched this movie so much that the tape eventually wore out.
This is my all-time favourite Disney movie with my fav ever male protagonist and love interest! I'm so happy you like it and get the messages. I also noticed the motherhood messages only when re-watching as an adult. So shout out to the movie makers for a good parenting example as well.
I’m very grateful that I discovered your channel. I’ve been going through a bit of a funk these past couple of months, and there’s something about watching two buds enjoying some of my favourite movies that always lifts my spirit. Sending love from Canada 🇨🇦
I always laugh at the little part at the end where the 3 of em are swinging, tarzan is holding Jane with both his hands and yet is still somehow swimming and the Internet has decided collectively that he's just clenching the vine with his buttcheeks 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I remember being a little kid and feeling a mix of fear and anger at Kerchak for how he treated Tarzan, but it wasn’t until I was an adult that I realized: while, yes, Kerchak was incredibly tough on Tarzan growing up because he needed to protect his family-that was always his number one priority-Kerchak was also a grieving father. When Kala and he lost their child, I can’t imagine the pain he must’ve felt when baby Tarzan arrived. He even tells her, “he can’t replace the one we lost.” I think he’s more so saying that to himself, because while Kala never “replaces” her firstborn, of course, she is able to seemingly make peace with their loss; she’s able to accept their death enough to love and care for a new baby in need. Kerchak must’ve felt so alone in his grief. While I’m not condoning or condemning his feelings towards Tarzan, it really helped me to feel an empathy for him that I never had as a child. Edit: Also, I LOVED what Stef had to say about Tarzan and Clayton being on polar opposites of the spectrum when it comes to positive and toxic masculinity, while Kerchak is more a neutral middle; genuinely meaning well and wanting to do good, but still perhaps falling victim to the same fears of the unknown that Clayton has. The only thing that keeps him from actually being as bad is Clayton is, where Clayton is cautious of the Other out of a selfish fear, Kerchak is cautious and Othering out of a selfless drive to protect his family (which includes Tarzan, an “Other” he was able to tolerate-not even something Clayton could do with the gorillas).
Listening to you wonder why the Sabor isn't speaking or his fixation on children/Tarzan reminds me of Jungle Book. Wasn't Sher Khan the tiger also obsessed with Mowgli? Sher Khan was sentient, he was capable of conversation and reason - he just couldn't deal with this one little man cub getting away. I see the same fixation in Sabor. Edit: and now that I think about it, as some other commenters have noted, also in Clayton. It's not that they're not capable of conversation, it's that their obsessions and fixations have completely controlled them.
Honestly the two best movie soundtracks that feature no consistent singing from the characters is definitely Tarzan and Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron
This is my favorite Disney movie soundtrack, Phil Collins had no business going this hard on the music!! One of my fav Disney movies as well, and Jane is one of my fav Disney ladies and my fav to draw. This was the first Disney movie to combine 2D animation with CG elements, the vine surfing scenes (the vines and backgrounds) were done in CG as well as some of the 360 shots of backgrounds plus the boat in the beginning. Basically, any time a giant set piece or background moves in a complex way, its probably CG. The still and passively moving backgrounds and sets are still hand painted like early Disney films and the characters are still being traditionally animated. the last 2D animated Disney film is Princess and the Frog.
There's a fan theory that Jane is a descendant of Belle and the beast, which I totally buy! They look somewhat similar, are there any book smart, and their fathers are similar enough to think that Jane's dad inherited some of Maurice's quirks. But the biggest key is that in the trashing the camp scene there is a teapot and teacup in the same pattern as Mrs Potts and Chip. I think animators almost never intend for the fan theorist people make about the movie, but it still cannon to me 😂
I really appreciate that you guys dove into the presentations of masculine figures in this movie. I definitely think I felt it as a kid but really understand it now as an adult and it only makes it better.
I will say, I never cared for the "Apes in camp" song, but seeing the abject horror and disgust on Sam's face made it my favourite scene in the movie and video
So my theory is that while the other Gorillas didn't really know what humans were or are, Kerchak may have had an idea. he knew the gun was a threat when Clayton moved the gun towards a gorilla and when he heard the gunshot for the first time in the move, he immediately moved the family away, showing no curiosity or discussion of what it may be. He at the least seemed to know what a gun was which would indicate he had contact with a human at some point which may explain some things. Not much contact, but enough to think humans were dangerous. since Tarzan's human parents were off the coast, it wouldn't be a stretch to think some humans pass threw every now and then and in the show there are indigonous people who live in the jungle.
I know you both said Kerchek was misguided and I get where you’re coming from, but he really wasn’t at all. He was behaving exactly as he should. He’s a gorilla and humans are dangerous. I don’t blame him for being afraid of people. All wild animals should avoid humans. So even though it’s a cartoon I still lean towards Kercheck being mostly correct.
The face Sam made when he realized that there is in fact a Scat song in this movie is so great that I am totally gonna screenshot it and use it as a reaction meme for my chats with my best friend.
Maybe we can’t tell what Sebora is saying because Tarzan didn’t grow up and learn how to be around them (bc he would die). All the animals that talk are the ones that Tarzan learned from and grow up around.
Growing up I was always asked if I was adopted because I have a different dad than my siblings. I always related so much to Tarzan when he would ask why he looked so different, since I’m black and all of my family is white. The sad thing is my mom would never celebrate or acknowledge my black heritage. She would always say “ you’re not black. Your a white girl with a year long tan.” It’s messed up my perception in ways too deep to get into on TH-cam, but it was nice hearing your guys thoughts on that part.
This is super random but I've always loved the idea that yes, by the end Jane and her father are also part of the jungle but realistically, they probably would want a house? And Tarzan's parents house is still there, they are three people now and they would probably have a lot of help. Jane probably would live with Tarzan but her dad could have his own little research station in the jungle ... always loved that idea.
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please watch George of the jungle
Also watch Disney’s The Kid
People forget Kurgek lost his son only for his mate to replace it within a short time. Also the fact his only priority was the family's safety above all others. Imagine your wife, right after your son died, said let's adopt a random child, only it was an unkown creature that you didn't know what it ate or did. Also, while others did have a hand in it, Tarzan did directly cause many near deaths and dangers.
Sam’s dawning HORROR during the camp trashing song is officially the funniest thing I’ve ever seen
I honestly don’t know what he finds so bad about it tbh 🤷♀️
@@LuvSlushieme too
It's so funny, but I LOVE that fking song 😂😂😂
So good can be so bad. 😊
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Fun fact: the animators for this movie actually looked at skateboarders, surfers, and snowboarders for inspiration! 🥰
Tony Hawk specifically
one of the main animators was inspired by his snowboarding son if I remember correctly. 😊
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Another interesting thing about the toxic masculinity and the Clayton-Kerchac parallels: because Kerchac (a respected leader of the family) mostly "bonded" with Tarzan with anger and frustration, it made it normal and expected, so when Clayton yells at Tarzan and uses aggressive body language, Tarzan is like "this is fine" and continued to trust him.
Toxic masculinity??? Mfs really be stretching things 💀
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052Explain what (you think) "toxic masculinity" is and how you believe both characters displayed zero characteristics of it if you want to claim that "mfs really be stretching things".
I mean...it is the jungle so stoicism (which isn't inherently bad it keeps a logical mind so that a dangerous job or task gets done) is kinda necessary which is why Tarzan is more stoic.
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@@JJ-yn4cjBeing stoic isn't inherently bad but when it came to Tarzan needing a supportive father and or male role in his life I could see why that would be a bit of a problem
My guess is Kercheks anger is actually grief on top of thinking Kala is trying to pretend like the one they lost never existed.
True which makes it harder to really demonize him as a character. Because you do understand why he's so opposed to Tarzan but its so heartbreaking that he rather have let Tarzan suffer the same fate as their child.
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What I love about Clayton's death scene is that he did it to himself. He was so focused on trying to get Tarzan that he didn't realize what he was doing until it was too late.
Most of the best Disney villains deaths comes from their own actions
Gaston, stabbing the beast in the back rather than escape only to be thrown to his death by the beasts throws (bell grabs the beast to keep him from falling too)
Scars cowardice makes him throw the hyenas under the bus to try and save himself and they end up turning on him
Follo goes mad trying to strike down Esmerelda and Quasimodo and it leads to him falling into literal hellfire
Clayton's anger and desire to kill Tarzan makes him oblivious to his own peril and he ends up hanging himself
Their deaths come from the flaws in their characters and their obsession with destroying others leading to their own.
@@mckenzie.latham91also (even though it isnt a death but I count it as a defeat), when Jafar got so greedy with power he then wished to be a genie without realizing he’d be bound to the lamp
@@shinryouzen Yes, that's a good point too
also because I actually do like it as a sequel, The Return of Jafar, has Iago, Jafar's old lackey, who Aladdin stood up for (Something Jafar would never do) that ends up destroying his lamp and killing him
And Tarzan even tries to stop him, to some extent; he isn't actively participating and says that frightened "Clayton!" to try and get his attention.
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Something beautiful about the hand scene when they first meet, is that the guy who did it was trying to depict the first time he met his daughter. That look was like " I see me in you". But from both perspectives, from Tarzan as finally meeting another human being, and the animator becoming a father and seeing her daughter for the first time. I think that gives that scene such an emotional weight and tenderness.
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I never realized that.
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2:53 I love how you can see that while Tarzan inherited his father's facial structure, his eyes are identical to his mother's. His father's strength and leadership with his mother's gentleness, courage, inquisitiveness and persistence. And of course he learned acceptance and bonding from Kala.
Jane is a great example of the inverse to Tarzan’s arc, I feel like. She is raised quite posh in a very formal and rigid society (in every possible way), especially for women, and chooses to pursue science and the study of wild animals in locations that aren’t seen to be ‘proper’ for women of her status. She is gentle and kind and genuinely passionate about learning more about everything. Her choices alienate her from the rest of society, when she could have easily fit in and lived a “comfortable” life.
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I agree with Stef. Jane is an underrated heroine. She’s so endearingly eccentric.
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This movie always makes me sob buckets, especially the song "You'll be in my Heart." Phil Collins is a lyrical genius.
My adoptive mom used to sing this song to me when I was a kid. Especially when I would have night terrors. I was neglected as a baby before I got put in foster care. And had really bad anxiety. Especially separation anxiety. And I hated sleeping in a different room than my mom. Because I was afraid that she would be gone when I woke up. Because my biological mother used to take off for days at a time when I was a baby. And leave me with my three half siblings who were 3,4 and 6 years old at the time. And they would have to change and feed me. Often the food or formula was bad. Because my biological mother was an alcoholic and addicted to cocaine as well.
My brother did this song for the Mother-Son Dance at his wedding.
Not to mention he sang all the songs in like 5 different languages for international releases bc hes just that dedicated to his art.
@@bromega2477 that's beautiful
@@ashleydowney1222That's so precious, cherish the memory
This is honestly one of my all time favorite 90s disney movies, the soundtrack makes me cry every time!! Fun fact: Tarzan was the first disney character to be animated with accurate muscles 💪
While I agree that he was the one with the most accurate muscles, I'm not sure if you can make such an absolute claim. He's still stylized and overproportioned.
what does this mean, though? like, the animators had a model(s) they used for anatomic reference similar to how they observed skateboarders/surfers for movement, that his muscles would be accurate to how a jungle man would look, or just that his muscles were drawn in the right place and not overly-ginormous like Gaston? I'm confused because as someone mentioned, he is still kinda stylized haha
22:28 Fun fact, Tarzan's lack of facial hair was actually addressed in the books. In the books, Kala takes Tarzan to his parents house when he's still a kid and explains that he's a human. Tarzan also sees humans as a kid when he discovers the local African tribes. He sees the men shaving and, in order to look more human, follows their example (monkey see monkey do🥁). While I thought this was a pretty cool detail I can see why Disney decided to cut it out. For one thing, Tarzan not meeting any humans before Jane, her dad and Klayton makes the meeting more impactful. There's also the films run time to consider. But what was likely the biggest reason was the fact that, as expected of a book written in 1912, the depiction of the tribes and Tarzan's relationship with them was pretty racist...
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Depends on their depiction. Most tribes in Africa were more barbaric than the English, same with the Muslims. The later castrated their slaves and bashed heads of babies of the women that couldn't carry kids and luggage. The Africans captured and sold those slaves to them. If what in the book was accurate, the it's not racist.
I think on a moral dilemma level its easier to make either all the preditors non speaking or all the prey in this sort of story. That way you don't have the uncomfortable situation where you are either rooting for someone to get eaten or rooting for someone else and potentially their kids to starve. If one or the other is completely mindless it makes the dilemma a bit morally easier. Especially when the preditor is shown killing without eating.
The dissonance is really palpable in the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th Land before time movies. The only ones with talking predators.
@@MarchingGrrl ever seen Ice Age 3? It was the first time the movies showed that the sabertooth tiger-character Diego IS STILL hunting even as a good guy, which inadvertently means he is routinely killing the neighbours of his friends as almost all the animals are equally sentient.
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To be fair Kerchak isn't totally out of pocket considering he's probably one of very few adult males in this group and it usually falls on the male to care for and protect everyone in his troop and it seems like he's had encounters with humans before given how he reacts to the gunshots after the leopard takedown
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From killing off the baby gorilla to full on seeing Tarzan's dead parents (or the mom at least)... Brutal Disney movie but amazing at the same time.
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And getting hung from a tree vine...whew!!!
Sabor's design seems to incorporate elements of cheetahs, jaguars and clouded leopards (which, despite the name, are not that closely related to actual leopards), but as far as Sabor's exact species goes, they're a leopard. Leopards are the main predators of gorillas.
Leopards and jaguars both belong to the Panthera genus, but leopards inhabit Africa and Asia, while jaguars are native to South, Central, and some parts of North America.
Jaguars are far more bulky, with bigger spots, and are actually quite adept at hunting in water (even killing massive caimans with a bite that pierces the brain), leopards are more slender and often strike by jumping down from trees. They also drag their prey into the tree canopy, so bigger predators like lions and hyenas can't get to their catches.
Wow, that's so interesting thank you!
Correct, and they may let the catch lay there for few days too tender-rise. A lot of predators actually don't like their meat fresh so that the parents weren't eaten isn't a surprise
Sam‘s reaction to the scat song was HILARIOUS 🤣
Thanks lol. I really dislike scat. Both as a sound and as a musical concept. It’s the worst area of improv ✌️ - Sam
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Disney's Dark Trilogy: Atlantis, Hunchback of Notredame and Tarzan will always be underrated trilogies with incredibly animation and music. I will fight everyone who says Hellfire isn't best Villain song in Disney animated movies :D
Tarzans movements in the trees are based off of Tony Hawk's skateboarding moves. The animators son was obsessed with skateboarding at the time, so he incorporated it in.
nooo way that’s crazy. and makes me like this movie more haha
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1:05:22 I think this part is so underrated. Yes, Tarzan was hurt by Clayton’s betrayal and showed righteous anger toward him when protecting his family, but notice how completely Tarzan’s attitude shifts. This is probably the first time in Tarzan’s life that he’s felt the very human emotions of rage and contempt. Notice also what caused it. Even when Tarzan had Clayton’s gun, he still held some respect for him. He saw Clayton as a defeated adversary who represented things that horrified him, but also as someone willing to go out with dignity. Tarzan decided to test that, though. When he saw that Clayton flinched at the gun noise and truly was a coward, that’s when Tarzan reached his breaking point. He had nothing except contempt and disgust for this creature. I love that scene.
I used to think Kerchak didn’t like Tarzan because he wasn’t a gorilla. It took me until my teen years to realise he was reminded of the child he lost whenever he looked at Tarzan, and was scared to care for him after that loss.
And to go even deeper, maybe he thinks that Tarzan is another baby he just won’t be able to protect.
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@@ulricaandrae4381 Yep, that's what I mean with 'and was scared to care for him after that loss.'
This movie was PEAK disney!! The animation is stunning and Phil Collins does a spectacular job telling parts of the story with his music! And yes, they do add some 3D elements to establish foreground and midground of some scenes of the jungle such as the flower blooming scene as time passes which is super cool because not a lot of people think 3D elements played an integral part in these 2D animated movies!
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Fun fact: In the original boot, Tarzan wasn't actually as ostracized by the gorillas and was even being raised to be the next leader. Also in the books, Clayton is actually related to Tarzan (his cousin I think) and he actually does go back to england. Apparently it's a whole little story series of it's own.
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36:44 😂😂😂 Sam’s reaction (and Stef laughing) to one of my favorite songs in the movie. As if I didn’t already love this channel. 🤣💀
FUN FACT: Disney went all out for this movie with the soundtrack, using a famous rock star at the time to create it. Not to mention Tarzan was the first movie soundtrack to be recorded in 35 languages by various artist. Phil himself recorded the songs in Italian, French, German and Spanish. It sold over 2million copies in the US alone and earned Phil his Academy Award and Golden Globe for best original song "You'll be in my heart" which he wrote as a lullaby for his daughter Lilly.
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I didn't know Phil Collins made rock music😂
I never thought about it but honestly I don't think people give Kerchack (?) enough leeway in the beginning for being upset that Kala brings Tarzan.
Like he lost his baby too and they're just coping differently. Kala wants to fill the void (not necessarily replace their baby) by having a new purpose and caring for a new baby. Kerchack wants to be angry and upset and Tarzan probably just felt like a slap in the face like Kala was trying to replace their baby.
Idk I just feel like both their reactions were very fair.
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I never realized how incredibly old Sabor is by the time Tarzan kills her. She was an adult when she killed his parents and he’s probably 20-something years old when they fight. Leopards only live about 15 years on average.
I got to say, Phil Collins nailed this soundtrack. It is one of the best ever made. Plus, this movie is a classic.
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5:22 The fact that the leopard (or jaguar?) left the parents and didn't eat them, proves that it kills just for sport instead of survival - it's brutal and an easy villain to dislike as it is, from our perspective, pure evil
Leopard. They are strikingly similar. Leopards are native to Africa and Asia, while Jaguars are native to the America's.
Also, I assumed the animators researched the hunting practices of Leopards. They usually pull their prey high up into a tree to keep scavengers away so they can eat at their own pace. Leopards don't typically eat their prey immediately. So that was just normal behavior. Not just being pure evil.
Yeah, and no one needs to help make things worse in terms of people dubbing certain wild animals as pure evil in pop culture, thx.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006It's more believable with Big Cats, who have had rare cases of killing solely for sport IRL, including hunting humans. Doubt many of those cases were leopards, though.
@@JBWinter Right, sure, I believe you now, genius. I’m sure it had nothing to do with humans destroying habitats and driving away other prey. Or the fact that humans are just prey to them like any other animals. They were obviously killing people out of malice. Thank you uninformed internet stranger ♥️
My FAVORITE detail of this movie is Tarzan being able to mimic sounds because of course humans are able to do that while apes cannot. I just love the idea of him using his voice in trying to find his identity
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This may have been mentioned already, but a fun fact. Brian Blessed (Clayton) did the Tarzan yell.
One thing that impresses me is how well they handled us being able to understand what the gorillas and the humans say, but neither understanding eachother
There’s a line in the Prince of Egypt where the Queen says Moses to, “now you know the truth love, now forget and be content,” when he learns about his family and a transracial adoptee did a really interesting commentary on the film. It went over my head as a kid, but she said the movie is a good exploration of the complexities at play with adoption. The gist of what she wrote was that almost everyone has questions about where they came from and adoptees need to be able to seek out answers without being made to feel like they’re betraying anyone. She also said a lot that adoption is measured in gains and losses and that applies to Tarzan’s story. It’s great that Tarzan found Kala, but it’s also understandably sad that in order for her to become a mother he had to first be orphaned. TLDR, it’s all really complicated.
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Well his mother you mean she was technically already a mother since she lost her own biological child
It’s crazy because I used to watch Tarzan a lot as a kid and rewatched it during the pandemic as an adult & in the end I cried my eyes out, it brought back memories and reminded me of my childhood I think but I literally never felt that way before in my life. 😭
You are so real for the crying because same. This was my fav movie as a kid and watching it as an adult destroyed my very being. The relationship between Tarzan and his mom gets mEEEE 😭😭
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I think you guys would love "Brother Bear", another animation that hits emotionally and is visually stunning. And a Phill Collins OST ❤
Truly the best childhood movie!
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25:53 The VA who portrayed Tarzan couldn't do a convincing enough "Tarzan yell," so the VA who portrayed Clayton did the yell instead.
ALSO, Tarzan is supposed to be British like the Porters and Clayton, but because the VA was American and couldn't consistently do a British accent, he kept the American accent even when Jane, an English woman played by Minnie Driver, taught him English in her own accent.
To this day, Tantor's "It looks questionable to me." Is my favorite quote from this movie. But you gotta do it with the same cute tone. 🥰
about Tarzan's ability to mimic;
they showed through his growing-up montage that he mimics every other animal in the jungle down to a T, it's not hard to believe he should be able to mimic Jane's gestures and even language as well.
There's animals in the wild that mimic other animals as well. Interesting observation and creative implement of the movie creators :)
26:30 is also touching because Tarzan unknowlingly avenged the death of his parents and Kerchak/Kala's son.
The opening to this film is my favorite part because it comes across as a very traditional play.
Romeo and Juliet: “Two households, both alike in dignity, in fair Verona, where we lay our scene…”
Tarzan: “Put your faith in what you most believe in, two worlds, one family…a paradise untouched by man…”
Just a very cool way to use music in musical that you don’t see anymore.
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This movie was a lot darker than I remember. Tarzan’s parents getting killed by the cheetah, the baby gorilla, Clayton’s death scene. I can’t believe Disney was able to get away with this stuff back then.
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20:15 I wasn’t adopted or mixed race. Just a light eyed lightskinned black baby. Some white woman still had the nerve to stage whisper behind my parents’ backs, “I didn’t know they let black people adopt white babies.” Which when recounted to me years later, is so racist as to be hilarious, especially since I’m secure in having physical traits from both my parents, but it’s nuts people would really say that
Brian Blessed is amazing as Clayton, he has such a powerful voice. He even did the Tarzan yell.
Sabor was a lioness in the novels but they changed her to a leopard since it fit the jungle environment better. Also Clayton and Tarzan are cousins in the novels and they kind of hinted at this by giving them similar faces.
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22:28 In the original book, Tarzan learned how to shave. He found a blade and taught himself how to shave his beard and he cut his hair "in a crude bang (fringe)" to keep it out of his eyes. Yes, the book says he cut himself when he first found the knife.
1:05:50 Clayton’s death scene as a kid was interesting because I remember seeing the shadow and being like oh is he just…there? And then as I got older, it hit harder realising what had happened.
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Tarzan is one of my favourite movies of classic Disney. Also wanted to give my opinion regarding the ape's stomp-style music scene. My small theory is that in their heads, they're playing awesome music, when in reality they're just making a massive mess and random noises, as we hear when Tarzan and Jane show up to the campsite.
Also, fun fact (but not so fun fact), in the books, the original death of Tarzan's parents are a bit different from the movie : while on the island, his Mother died of natural causes, whereas his Father was indeed killed, but not by the leopard Sabor, but by *Kerchak* . So if this movie kept the way the parents actually died in the story, this movie would've been a whole lot darker.
😢 I forgot how emotional I get when I watch this movie. Like why does it hit so hard? It had no business working its way into my heart the way it did.
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If you look on the floor at 5:06, there's several used shells on the ground. Maybe the reason the leopard hadn't eaten Tarzans parents was because when it attacked it got shot. It was probably sitting up on the rafters in incredible pain when Kala came by. It seems like most animals are at least somewhat sentient in this movie, so it might've associated Tarzan with whichever parent managed to shoot it. That might be why it seemed to zero in on Tarzan the moment it saw it. It hadn't bothered checking out a squirming and crying blanket for hours or even days before Kala showed up, but practically the moment she uncovered him, it was on site apparently.
Or it did that because the plot demanded it to do that... whichever floats your boat :)
the way i see Kerchak's character, the biggest thing holding him back from conecting with Tarzan was the grief for the son he lost in the beginning. He says to Kala "he won't replace the one we lost" and i do feel like that thought continues to weight down on Kerchak's mind for the rest of the movie, and with it the resentment towards Tarzan for not being what his first son was. It's as if Kala healed from the loss by opening herself up for love again, taking care of Tarzan, while Kerchak never quite recovered because he remained closed: he has to lead so he leads, he has to be strong so he's strong. He never stops to let go of the grief, only redirects his frustration at Tarzan. I definetely see it fitting into the discussion of positive vs toxic masculinity, more specifically the damage men do to themselves and others because of this pressure to be strong and to carry it all.
Is it just me or are you guys uploading more often? It's awesome to see your reactions popping up in my recommended, always cheers me up. I don't know if you remember me but you guys were streaming the morning of my art school entrance test and gave me some encouraging words, I got in! Thank you ^^
OMG, was wondering how that went, but had full confidence in you, just the same. Congrats, great job!!
They don't have an exact schedule, but have mentioned in the livestreams a couple times when people brought it up that they are trying to upload more often if it is possible for them. Sometimes life gets in the way, but they have occasionally been able to upload videos within a few days of each other. I am personally glad for this recent luck because I have a family member in the hospital (in relatively okay condition) the last week so I really like the distraction and pick me up from watching their new videos.
Terrible with names, but I do remember the talk about art school so congratulations on getting accepted!!
@@ObserverAmanda hope your family member gets out of the hospital soon and gets well soon.
@@mbrown3535 Thank you.
@@mbrown3535 thank you oh my gosh!!!
I think Tazan restraining Kerchak is kind of believable in 2 ways. 1) he was choking Kerchak and using his full strength on that alone which could be possible. 2) Kerchak made no moves to harm Tarzan. Kerchak doesn't like Tarzan, but he's never actively fought or harmed him even then, showing to some degree he does respect and protect Tarzan as a part of the tribe (which kind of shows when Tarzan killed the leopard and Kerchak was thinking of saying something nice or positive before being interrupted, showing Kerchak knows he's stubborn and should do something nice before the humans came and put tension between them again). He let Tarzan choke him as he tried to get to the humans. If Kerchak wanted too, he could have thrown Tarzan off or saw Tarzan as a threat and kicked him out afterwards or fought him, but never did. These two reasons are the only reason I buy Tarzan "restraining Kerchak". Tarzan aiming for a soft area and Kerchak not wanting to harm him.
Seeing how much chemistry Jane and Tarzan had on screen or to be more specific how well they're animated together...... its amazing to think they were animated in diferen parts of the world ...... Tarzan was animated in France ( in the París Disney studio divisions) by Glen kean and Jane was animated in burbank California by Ken Ducan, with the animators only working and checking each other's work sparsely via vídeo conference ( since zoom wasn't invented yet ) and mailing each others keys of their scenes.... as i heard it put it somewhere... this characters truly turned out to be "two words, one family".
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20:08 dude i'm right there with you, my filipino mom would get asked by strangers how long she was nannying us for
Sucks aye. Uncomfortable cause people aren't really trying to be dicks but it's also so disrespectful - Sam
Omg the disrespect for "trashin the camp"
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but the NSYNC version of it is legit great 😂😭
Tarzan was totally my Disney crush until Eugene Fitzherbert entered the scene. 🤭
I am adopted too, so i kind of understand Tarzan's situation. I cry every time i watch this. It's a perfect movie! 😭💔🔥
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Sadly, the reason why 2D disney went away was because they didn't want to pay them better. Now the same thing is happening with 3D animators
47:06 Kerchak is the leader of all those gorillas and he keeps the peace and leads them, so he has to be careful because all those gorillas are his responsibility, so he has to be careful for them and not just for himself, while Clayton is just a greedy hunter of exotic animals that can be sold for high prices, and Clayton will shoot at anything he thinks threatens him in any way.
Tarzan was one of the first Disney films to utilize a program called Deep Canvas, which is basically a 3D CGI program that can be used to establish 3D permanent fixtures as well as 3D camera tracking and angle management. So, yes it's 3D made to look more like 2D in simplicity. 😊
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My naïve kid ass thought that if tarzan didn’t let kurchecks hand hit the ground he wouldn’t have died. And it took me years to forgive tarzan for that
If you watched Disney Channel back in the day when this movie was coming out, they talked about how the movie took surfing as inspiration for how Tarzan moves through the trees. So it reminding you of surfing was intentional and its inspiration.
33:51 Tarzan still hasn't realized she's "like him," or more accurately that he's a human being like her. And yet when she laughs out of ticklishness when he touches her toes, he smiles for a split second because laughter also happens among apes and some primates, for the same reasons it happens among humans. They feel ticklish too. So while he's investigating what Jane is, Tarzan is realising that while she looks "weird" to him, she has a lot in common with what he already knows about himself and the gorillas he lives with. And then of course he compares their hands and their heartbeat the way Kala did with him when he was a child, and that's a non-verbal way to show he's thinking "She's like me!..."
27:25 When I was a kid, I thought Tarzan found a tube of lipstick that was empty for some reason. Now I know it was a bullet casing, and he grimaced because he tasted the lead in it. And that some lipsticks come in a tube called a "bullet" because it's shaped like one.
39:36 Minnie Driver had a rough script in front of her for this whole monologue, but she ad-libbed most of it in one breath. Most famously "And Daddy, they TOOK. MY. BOOT!"
You probably remember that surfing scene in the growing up montage specifically because that was the promo scene 😁
Fun fact about gorillas, silver backs will adopt orphaned babies and allow them to eat before everyone else ( typically the leader is the one that gets to eats first). Also the amount of interactions they have with the rest of the group increases compared to others of the same age.
Love a good positive vs toxic masculinity tale! Have you folks seen George of the Jungle? Not only is it funny and silly, but has some great messages about positive masculinity a la young Brendan Fraser.
I love this movie. I was 7 when this movie came out in America. It came out the day after my 7th birthday. I remember wanting to see it in theaters for my birthday. But my adoptive mom at the time didn't have a lot of money for me, my adoptive sister and herself to go to the movies. So, I saw the movie once it came out on VHS. My sister and I watched this movie so much that the tape eventually wore out.
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Sam's reaction to the trashing scat song had me in TEARS while laughing!!! Like always awesome video you guys!
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This is my all-time favourite Disney movie with my fav ever male protagonist and love interest! I'm so happy you like it and get the messages. I also noticed the motherhood messages only when re-watching as an adult. So shout out to the movie makers for a good parenting example as well.
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I’m very grateful that I discovered your channel. I’ve been going through a bit of a funk these past couple of months, and there’s something about watching two buds enjoying some of my favourite movies that always lifts my spirit. Sending love from Canada 🇨🇦
Same, I relate. Feel better.
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I always laugh at the little part at the end where the 3 of em are swinging, tarzan is holding Jane with both his hands and yet is still somehow swimming and the Internet has decided collectively that he's just clenching the vine with his buttcheeks 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I remember being a little kid and feeling a mix of fear and anger at Kerchak for how he treated Tarzan, but it wasn’t until I was an adult that I realized: while, yes, Kerchak was incredibly tough on Tarzan growing up because he needed to protect his family-that was always his number one priority-Kerchak was also a grieving father. When Kala and he lost their child, I can’t imagine the pain he must’ve felt when baby Tarzan arrived. He even tells her, “he can’t replace the one we lost.” I think he’s more so saying that to himself, because while Kala never “replaces” her firstborn, of course, she is able to seemingly make peace with their loss; she’s able to accept their death enough to love and care for a new baby in need. Kerchak must’ve felt so alone in his grief. While I’m not condoning or condemning his feelings towards Tarzan, it really helped me to feel an empathy for him that I never had as a child.
Edit: Also, I LOVED what Stef had to say about Tarzan and Clayton being on polar opposites of the spectrum when it comes to positive and toxic masculinity, while Kerchak is more a neutral middle; genuinely meaning well and wanting to do good, but still perhaps falling victim to the same fears of the unknown that Clayton has. The only thing that keeps him from actually being as bad is Clayton is, where Clayton is cautious of the Other out of a selfish fear, Kerchak is cautious and Othering out of a selfless drive to protect his family (which includes Tarzan, an “Other” he was able to tolerate-not even something Clayton could do with the gorillas).
59:06 completely took me out 😂
“You’re gonna get The Clap.” 😐
“…WHAT?!?!” 😨🤨
I’m still laughing. Now I’m subscribed 😂😂😂
I forgot how emotional this movie is....thanks y'all :')
Listening to you wonder why the Sabor isn't speaking or his fixation on children/Tarzan reminds me of Jungle Book. Wasn't Sher Khan the tiger also obsessed with Mowgli? Sher Khan was sentient, he was capable of conversation and reason - he just couldn't deal with this one little man cub getting away. I see the same fixation in Sabor. Edit: and now that I think about it, as some other commenters have noted, also in Clayton. It's not that they're not capable of conversation, it's that their obsessions and fixations have completely controlled them.
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I didn’t notice Clayton’s shadow until rewatching it as an adult. And I watched this movie easily over 100 times as a kid.
Same 😭
Honestly the two best movie soundtracks that feature no consistent singing from the characters is definitely Tarzan and Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron
I listened to this soundtrack so much as a kid, I still remember all the words, lol. This movie was one of my favorites growing up.
This is my favorite Disney movie soundtrack, Phil Collins had no business going this hard on the music!! One of my fav Disney movies as well, and Jane is one of my fav Disney ladies and my fav to draw. This was the first Disney movie to combine 2D animation with CG elements, the vine surfing scenes (the vines and backgrounds) were done in CG as well as some of the 360 shots of backgrounds plus the boat in the beginning. Basically, any time a giant set piece or background moves in a complex way, its probably CG. The still and passively moving backgrounds and sets are still hand painted like early Disney films and the characters are still being traditionally animated. the last 2D animated Disney film is Princess and the Frog.
There's a fan theory that Jane is a descendant of Belle and the beast, which I totally buy! They look somewhat similar, are there any book smart, and their fathers are similar enough to think that Jane's dad inherited some of Maurice's quirks. But the biggest key is that in the trashing the camp scene there is a teapot and teacup in the same pattern as Mrs Potts and Chip. I think animators almost never intend for the fan theorist people make about the movie, but it still cannon to me 😂
I really appreciate that you guys dove into the presentations of masculine figures in this movie. I definitely think I felt it as a kid but really understand it now as an adult and it only makes it better.
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I always thought the reason Tarzan fell asleep so easily when she sang to him as a baby was because his mother also sang to him 😢
The look of utter hurt when Stef said it’s a skat song 😂
Sam's face during the song, just incredible, hahaha!
I will say, I never cared for the "Apes in camp" song, but seeing the abject horror and disgust on Sam's face made it my favourite scene in the movie and video
in the novel there is a gorilla lenguage and Tarzan stands litterally for hairless ape
I love Steff torturing sam with the scat scene.
So my theory is that while the other Gorillas didn't really know what humans were or are, Kerchak may have had an idea. he knew the gun was a threat when Clayton moved the gun towards a gorilla and when he heard the gunshot for the first time in the move, he immediately moved the family away, showing no curiosity or discussion of what it may be. He at the least seemed to know what a gun was which would indicate he had contact with a human at some point which may explain some things. Not much contact, but enough to think humans were dangerous. since Tarzan's human parents were off the coast, it wouldn't be a stretch to think some humans pass threw every now and then and in the show there are indigonous people who live in the jungle.
The disgust on Sam's face when Stef said it's a scat song bro I can't 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
This has one of the best soundtrack. Phil Collins gives us all the chills
I know you both said Kerchek was misguided and I get where you’re coming from, but he really wasn’t at all. He was behaving exactly as he should. He’s a gorilla and humans are dangerous. I don’t blame him for being afraid of people. All wild animals should avoid humans. So even though it’s a cartoon I still lean towards Kercheck being mostly correct.
The face Sam made when he realized that there is in fact a Scat song in this movie is so great that I am totally gonna screenshot it and use it as a reaction meme for my chats with my best friend.
LOL, Sam's expression is so meme-able.
Lol, that’s great 😂 - Sam
The two facial expressions really are the perfect picture of friendship
If you outright say, "I want you to kill this baby" …
_What can I say except "You're fucked up!"_ 🎵
I've randomly been thinking about this movie over the past few days so I was very excited to see this in my sub inbox
Maybe we can’t tell what Sebora is saying because Tarzan didn’t grow up and learn how to be around them (bc he would die). All the animals that talk are the ones that Tarzan learned from and grow up around.
Growing up I was always asked if I was adopted because I have a different dad than my siblings. I always related so much to Tarzan when he would ask why he looked so different, since I’m black and all of my family is white. The sad thing is my mom would never celebrate or acknowledge my black heritage. She would always say “ you’re not black. Your a white girl with a year long tan.”
It’s messed up my perception in ways too deep to get into on TH-cam, but it was nice hearing your guys thoughts on that part.
This is super random but I've always loved the idea that yes, by the end Jane and her father are also part of the jungle but realistically, they probably would want a house? And Tarzan's parents house is still there, they are three people now and they would probably have a lot of help. Jane probably would live with Tarzan but her dad could have his own little research station in the jungle ... always loved that idea.