Zingah kept it a bean, I'm afraid... our genre is in the trenches... we are not at our best!!! We need to accept it and work on it!! Mashbeatz and Sliqe have been fighting thou!!!
this roundtable needs to happen once a week until sa hiphop is back at the top breaking down everything subject by subject and also have unknown artist perform or play their music and critique create the vibes
The biggest mistake is that we seem to be focusing on COMMERCIAL HipHop too much... That hiphop has no culture, money rules that environment, favouritism and nepotism is at its peak and it HipHop doesn't strive in such an environment. Also there is alot of division amongst the elements of HipHop...we can't focus only on the music, where is our dancers, where is our fashionistas, where is our graffiti dudes... The music will die out because we not supporting it with HipHop elements that keeps it alive. You only see a combination of this elements at big events like back to the city but not in the entire HipHop culture.
My opinion is we are South African sa hip-hop artists need to find a balance when they are making music, between culture and the ordinary human beings who don't live hip hop just love relating song 😊
i like how Rashid kay and Zingah are realistic with the situation of hip hop. im not a hip hop head but seems like some of these panelists are delusional. just not accepting that the state of SA hiphop isnt good. doesnt make sense to deny that of hip hop is in bad state SA when you can simply accept that world wide its a decline.
The problem is collaboration,think of a nasty and Reece album.that can shake every corner in mzansi,come on guys.Reece and nasty swallow that EGO shit and give us music
Who gains from that merge? Why would Nasty at his level do a project with an indie act that has no motion outside of SA? A Blxckie and Nasty collab makes more sense as it stamps the "Durban scene" as a power force in history. KZN has never been this big and that collabo does beyond what reece and nasty do where one gains more than the next. Look at Reece's numbers when he works with Blxckie. He gets a near double boost. What has Blxckie gained from that collabo?🤷🏽♂️ see what I mean?
@@shaunmahlangu1673 no big dawg,look how chasing the American market messed up nasty sound.we need that south African hip hop sound back,those guys you mentioning are trying to sound like young thug and them.
Mzansi Hip Hop culture haz alwayz looked at Jozi for the last 30years.... Jozi Rap haz been been made to follow a Template for Majors... Nobody haz gone back to the basics ov looking around the country... there are 8 other provinces.. when Hip Hop waz fighting house..Motswako brought it back coz the country went to another province... Come to Mpumalanga...we're self made.. self employed and Make great music without the flashy gimmicks... take hip hop back to the basics.. Freestyle Battlez are happening in jozi but nobody looks there coz everybody iz talking about branding and branding and presenting themselves az successful... any1 can pay for a photoshoot... nobody iz supporting bars and artistry... what do you expect to happen when you don't support rappers with barz instead ov well packaged plants
I honestly agree with Zingah Hip Hop hits these days are only appealing to hip hop fans because the new cats are not being inclusive to masses unlike a PRO,HHP,KO,JR,AKA,Nyovest, Kwesta who were making songs that a 2year in the rural could mess with or a mature couple driving to work could relate to and with those kind of hits we were competing with every genre because you couldn't ignore us
majors are not interested in a large number of SA hip-hop artist budgets are cut its not about tiktoks and what not, when they had interest it became hot so now the question is why did they slow down on putting money behind SA hip-hop? lets not forget majors have influence on what plays on radio and tv, ye sure you can upload your song on distro but you wont get those numbers and no matter which pr company you are using you cant compete with majors. another trick majors do in black communities is make one sound trend for every 5-10 years. all i am saying wherever majors spend thats what becomes hot right now they are spending on breaking amapiano internationally.
A very famous SA emcee told me his son asked him, “why do all the emcees die?” His son doesn’t like hip hop cos all his daddy’s friends die. Make sense! I love hip hop but I see the kids point.
Nothing lasts forever. All this genres below had a peak but they are not at top any more. They still exist but not peaking: Ballard R&B Soul Jazz Kwaito House They are still around but not at the top. Maybe hip hop is at that state globally now.
But guys consign it just consign. The hard work has to be done by the artist. If you're given the resources and you dont put in the work or say you forget to the mission and run with the fame you are killing yourself. Dont let the fame blind you..lot of these artists let the fame blind them.
until sa hiphop also has a unique name like kwaii music or kwaito whatever instead of generic name sa hiphop and it creates music that sells south African culture in all of its diversities internationally selling south africa to the international market making ppl want to come to south africa speak south african dance south african its going to die
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if the song is hot they cant gate keep it because it will be relatable to majority and thats what brands, radio etc want....even amapiano when it started it was gatekept until it was unavoidable. stop with the excuses, Zingah is right. why do these panelists feel like brands are NGOs. come with numbers and you'll get what you deserve. brands arent part of your things simply because of the numbers
Where was Mashbeatz and DJ Slique, in this, aren't they the ones actually carrying hip hop in SA rn?. The OG's hip hop era is dead yona, but y'all dont support it and there aren't a lot of hip hop DJ's and events that are being created and supported. And the only radio station that should be boosting hip hop is YFM, Hip hop is a youth genre. I wish I was the host 😂
sahiphop needs to stop being prideful and full of its self and start working with each other and stop ageism,we need to go for talent creativity energy efficiency and experience...established need to work with the new and the new with the established and all in between like building a house....the community needs to be built from the top the one with a bit of vibe and influence should unite which will unite the fans and they need to think about the women too much guys and the spenders are women and men spend when they are women....amapiano is not a cheat code it is south african culture were as sa hiphop is still pushing american culture they have not made it their own like the uk ...sa hoiphop is not influencing culture and the streets its a jerking circle that wants to protect their american way all golden eras of sa hiphop were based on sa culture vibe etc kwaito sa hiphop started dying when it returned to american culture...but ke u will defend it until sa hiphop dies and at least then a new real sa hiphop sound can be born then we will learn the hard way
Radio changed how it used to do things. We used to hear music first from radio. Which generates a lot of money, radio or the internet? Hip Hop is not appreciated in SA radio
This is frustrating to listen to. Spending so much time arguing over a definition. Something that is so obvious to understand. The state of SA Hip Hop is not at the level that it was. This was an opportunity to have an honest dissection of why it is suffering and what could be put in place to get it back to the level it was once at. A conversation that the 'Young' up and coming rappers could listen to and pick up some game. This just added to the confusing state the game is in because you all just spend all this time arguing over a stupid definition. Eya gowa eHip hop. let's stop being delulu.
No one cares about the state of SA hip hop. The only rapper that matters is A-Reece. If he stops the youth will worry. He's the national treasure. Even the gov would intervene if A-Reece quits 😂
Ya’ll act like SA hip hop didn’t die around 2018 or so…and also acting like hip hop ain’t dead globally period…Drake and Dot just rolled the credits it’s a wrap for hip hop!
Zingah cooked I swear!!!! Especially on those closing statements.
Zingah kept it a bean, I'm afraid... our genre is in the trenches... we are not at our best!!! We need to accept it and work on it!! Mashbeatz and Sliqe have been fighting thou!!!
Smash'it Zigah was made for this💯
Is it me or Bhuda T came across more Solution driven ... The rest of the panel just had more to say about problems 😅 Kuningi
I keep.trying to comment and Rashid keeps saying my points for me. 🤣🤣 we're literally thinking the same things man damn!
this roundtable needs to happen once a week until sa hiphop is back at the top breaking down everything subject by subject and also have unknown artist perform or play their music and critique create the vibes
This was really fruitful indeed 🔥🔥🔥💀👑🇿🇦 12:41
Share your thoughts on this conversation righ here
The biggest mistake is that we seem to be focusing on COMMERCIAL HipHop too much... That hiphop has no culture, money rules that environment, favouritism and nepotism is at its peak and it HipHop doesn't strive in such an environment.
Also there is alot of division amongst the elements of HipHop...we can't focus only on the music, where is our dancers, where is our fashionistas, where is our graffiti dudes... The music will die out because we not supporting it with HipHop elements that keeps it alive. You only see a combination of this elements at big events like back to the city but not in the entire HipHop culture.
My opinion is we are South African sa hip-hop artists need to find a balance when they are making music, between culture and the ordinary human beings who don't live hip hop just love relating song 😊
Big s/o to everyone very important conversation held fr!!
I think OGs spend too much talking about the game and not enough time pushing the game.
Host a quarterly event as a platform for the youngins
The masterclass does a lot of shows/events and putting on a lot of upcoming artists king... And OG is present at those events and pushing the culture.
@@nelsonthobakgale6435 yeah but they do shows for Back to the city crowd of hip hop fans where as the new generation are the kids at cotton fest.
This was so messy but I guess we needed it
We need a 3 hours conversation.
Guys please buy microphones
This was really fruitful indeed 🔥🔥🔥💀👑🇿🇦
I love this convo mahn, I need to be in that live audience 😅😂
Dj switch is here with the most important point 🙏🏼
Legoòo.
I'm so used to the `bro Beans (LOTJ) 4k quality lol , Zingah you gotta put your boii on
I need pt2..cause there's 2 many solutions and problems
Thanks for the chopss😄😄❣💯
the only way to grow a culture is festivals and shows..music that is relatable to us
i like how Rashid kay and Zingah are realistic with the situation of hip hop. im not a hip hop head but seems like some of these panelists are delusional. just not accepting that the state of SA hiphop isnt good. doesnt make sense to deny that of hip hop is in bad state SA when you can simply accept that world wide its a decline.
the Lawd of taking responsibility and accountability stopping the cap he is putting down faxs that can revive sa hiphop
For the kulture 💜
Zingah wants to say it so bad!! These Kids Are Buying Streams & Views 😂😂😂😂
The genre is mad full of up and coming acts RN which looks good for the future but Rash is talking about RN
The problem is collaboration,think of a nasty and Reece album.that can shake every corner in mzansi,come on guys.Reece and nasty swallow that EGO shit and give us music
Who gains from that merge?
Why would Nasty at his level do a project with an indie act that has no motion outside of SA?
A Blxckie and Nasty collab makes more sense as it stamps the "Durban scene" as a power force in history. KZN has never been this big and that collabo does beyond what reece and nasty do where one gains more than the next.
Look at Reece's numbers when he works with Blxckie. He gets a near double boost. What has Blxckie gained from that collabo?🤷🏽♂️ see what I mean?
@@shaunmahlangu1673 no big dawg,look how chasing the American market messed up nasty sound.we need that south African hip hop sound back,those guys you mentioning are trying to sound like young thug and them.
@@Cairo96 and Reece is not doing an American sound? Serious?
Im confused at why they struggling to understand that SA is not in a healthy space RN when we have a reference of when it was. Haybo
Is that DJ Switch daaaaaym
fire
Mzansi Hip Hop culture haz alwayz looked at Jozi for the last 30years.... Jozi Rap haz been been made to follow a Template for Majors... Nobody haz gone back to the basics ov looking around the country... there are 8 other provinces.. when Hip Hop waz fighting house..Motswako brought it back coz the country went to another province... Come to Mpumalanga...we're self made.. self employed and Make great music without the flashy gimmicks... take hip hop back to the basics.. Freestyle Battlez are happening in jozi but nobody looks there coz everybody iz talking about branding and branding and presenting themselves az successful... any1 can pay for a photoshoot... nobody iz supporting bars and artistry... what do you expect to happen when you don't support rappers with barz instead ov well packaged plants
I honestly agree with Zingah Hip Hop hits these days are only appealing to hip hop fans because the new cats are not being inclusive to masses unlike a PRO,HHP,KO,JR,AKA,Nyovest, Kwesta who were making songs that a 2year in the rural could mess with or a mature couple driving to work could relate to and with those kind of hits we were competing with every genre because you couldn't ignore us
Vigi sold out
You needed @kyeezi on this panel
I like this
majors are not interested in a large number of SA hip-hop artist budgets are cut its not about tiktoks and what not, when they had interest it became hot so now the question is why did they slow down on putting money behind SA hip-hop? lets not forget majors have influence on what plays on radio and tv, ye sure you can upload your song on distro but you wont get those numbers and no matter which pr company you are using you cant compete with majors. another trick majors do in black communities is make one sound trend for every 5-10 years. all i am saying wherever majors spend thats what becomes hot right now they are spending on breaking amapiano internationally.
A very famous SA emcee told me his son asked him, “why do all the emcees die?” His son doesn’t like hip hop cos all his daddy’s friends die. Make sense! I love hip hop but I see the kids point.
Nothing lasts forever.
All this genres below had a peak but they are not at top any more. They still exist but not peaking:
Ballard
R&B
Soul
Jazz
Kwaito
House
They are still around but not at the top. Maybe hip hop is at that state globally now.
But guys consign it just consign. The hard work has to be done by the artist. If you're given the resources and you dont put in the work or say you forget to the mission and run with the fame you are killing yourself. Dont let the fame blind you..lot of these artists let the fame blind them.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sgivo Beats ft Blezz x J tyt x K2 - No Prescription
Run it upp 🔥🔥
Reason Hip Hop ain't going anywhere is because of all the people on that table...
Gigi was simply the state of SA hip hop in this episode, simply Quiet....
😂😂😂c'mon bruhh , Take it easy .
switch kinda capping tho , As an artist you also a business like ur radios & brands
But do they not have internet in Bergville though? Lol we can’t just be saying things to say things…
Aka , Khuli, kwesta , KO & Cassper went and took it had a 10 year run. These kids not grabbing anything
People got wifi man,don't count streams as if it's everything.rip Makhado,the only realest that made something with cotton fest.
GIGI Lamayne is quiet
until sa hiphop also has a unique name like kwaii music or kwaito whatever instead of generic name sa hiphop and it creates music that sells south African culture in all of its diversities internationally selling south africa to the international market making ppl want to come to south africa speak south african dance south african its going to die
Yo hip hop gang 🎧🔥I'm featured on the hottest collaboration of the year! 🚀
Introducing "No Prescription" by Sgivo Beats, featuring the incredible talents of Blezz, J-Tyt, and K2. 🎤💫 This track is pure fire, blending sick beats, killer rhymes, and electrifying energy that'll have you vibin' from start to finish. 🎶💥 available on all streaming platforms
if the song is hot they cant gate keep it because it will be relatable to majority and thats what brands, radio etc want....even amapiano when it started it was gatekept until it was unavoidable. stop with the excuses, Zingah is right. why do these panelists feel like brands are NGOs. come with numbers and you'll get what you deserve. brands arent part of your things simply because of the numbers
Where was Mashbeatz and DJ Slique, in this, aren't they the ones actually carrying hip hop in SA rn?. The OG's hip hop era is dead yona, but y'all dont support it and there aren't a lot of hip hop DJ's and events that are being created and supported. And the only radio station that should be boosting hip hop is YFM, Hip hop is a youth genre. I wish I was the host 😂
sahiphop needs to stop being prideful and full of its self and start working with each other and stop ageism,we need to go for talent creativity energy efficiency and experience...established need to work with the new and the new with the established and all in between like building a house....the community needs to be built from the top the one with a bit of vibe and influence should unite which will unite the fans and they need to think about the women too much guys and the spenders are women and men spend when they are women....amapiano is not a cheat code it is south african culture were as sa hiphop is still pushing american culture they have not made it their own like the uk ...sa hoiphop is not influencing culture and the streets its a jerking circle that wants to protect their american way all golden eras of sa hiphop were based on sa culture vibe etc kwaito sa hiphop started dying when it returned to american culture...but ke u will defend it until sa hiphop dies and at least then a new real sa hiphop sound can be born then we will learn the hard way
Radio changed how it used to do things. We used to hear music first from radio. Which generates a lot of money, radio or the internet? Hip Hop is not appreciated in SA radio
Why OG looking like canibus?
This is frustrating to listen to. Spending so much time arguing over a definition. Something that is so obvious to understand. The state of SA Hip Hop is not at the level that it was. This was an opportunity to have an honest dissection of why it is suffering and what could be put in place to get it back to the level it was once at. A conversation that the 'Young' up and coming rappers could listen to and pick up some game. This just added to the confusing state the game is in because you all just spend all this time arguing over a stupid definition. Eya gowa eHip hop. let's stop being delulu.
Facts 😂😂😂
No one cares about the state of SA hip hop. The only rapper that matters is A-Reece. If he stops the youth will worry. He's the national treasure. Even the gov would intervene if A-Reece quits 😂
Lol 😂 guys ,is obvious,no need to go back and fourth,Hip Hop SA is dead.
What a boring round table. Should have been titled as 'The State of SA Rap' not Hip Hop.
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Ya’ll act like SA hip hop didn’t die around 2018 or so…and also acting like hip hop ain’t dead globally period…Drake and Dot just rolled the credits it’s a wrap for hip hop!
Also acting like Amapiano is not SA Hip Hop…